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From YouTube: The Grant Street Experience: Paul Kendrick
Description
On this episode of The Grant Street Experience, Grant Ervin and Rebecca Kiernan talk to leader, speaker, and writer Paul Kendrick.
A
Hello
and
welcome
to
the
latest
installment
of
the
grant
street
experience,
I'm
your
host
grant
irvin
and
welcome
to
this
great
fabulous
podcast.
Today
we
have
author
and
organizer
paul
kendrick
with
us,
along
with
our
fabulous
co-host,
rebecca
kiernan,
rebecca
how
you
doing
today,
good.
How
are
you.
B
C
Thank
you
so
much
well,
you
know
what
you
all
are
doing.
It's
pittsburgh.
It's
really
really
incredible
that
you
know
folks
across
our
region
really
benefit
from
learning
from
and
obviously
folks
around
the
world
are
benefiting
from
learning
from.
So
you
know,
you're
really
showing
how
to
create
a
sustainable,
thriving
place,
and
that's
something
that's
that
is
very
vital
for
us
to
all
be
able
to
draw
understanding
of
so
you
know
great
to
continue
talking
awesome,
awesome.
A
And
so
we're
excited
to
have
you
here
today
for
a
couple
reasons.
One
really
wanted
to
talk
with
you
about
rust,
belt,
rising
and
learn
a
little
bit
more
about
the
organization
and
if
you
could
share
that
with
listeners,
but
also
some
of
your
fabulous
work
as
an
author,
which
is
a
kind
of
a
growing
theme
here
that
rebecca
and
I
have
had
on
the
grant
street
experience
the
opportunities
to
just
investigate
and
learn
from
local
authors
here
in
the
region
and
really
interested
in
diving
into
sharing
with
our
listeners.
A
C
But,
but
behind
that
the
substance
of
how
we
deliver
change
and
in
our
post-industrial
region,
you
know
how
we're
helping
places
really
turn
the
corner
with
the
sense
of
kind
of
what's
coming
next
for
people
and
how
places
can
have
a
thriving
economic
future
and
all
the
things
that
our
family
needs
to
flourish,
and
so
we're
doing
this
course.
This
spring
called
building
driving
communities
really
looking
at
that
that
you
know
you're
so
helpful
with,
but
we'll
continue.
C
So
everything
we
do
is
free,
it's
a
political
non-profit
and
it's
it's
been
really
amazing,
the
the
passionate
leaders
and
communities
and
that
all
you
know
that
have
similar
challenges
of
you
know
some
of
the
different
cultural
things
happening
in
our
region
that
that
have
made
it
tough
that
you
know.
Ultimately,
we
want
to
make
sure
people
understand
what
democrats
are
for
our
narrative
and
that
we
really
are
the
party
of
all
working
people.
A
I
was
going
to
say
what
what
are
some
of
the
common
themes
that
you
see
because
we're
I
mean
we're
talking
about
a
big
area
right.
You
know
in
terms
of
the
geographic
footprint
but
like
what
are
some
of
these
common
themes
and
challenges
that
we're
hearing
across
across
state
boundaries.
You
know
what
are
some
of
those
narratives
that
are
out
there.
C
A
A
You
know
so
these
kind
of
three
things
that
all
cities
around
the
world
are
are
facing,
whether
it's
you
know
the
the
issues
of
climate,
whether
that's
you
know
adapting
to
a
new
reality
or
kind
of
the
needs
to
mitigate
the
impacts
of
co2
or
urbanization,
challenges,
whether
that's
people,
expanding
kind
of
the
urban
footprint
or
you
know,
moving
into
urbanized
areas.
But
you
were
interested
too
in
this
issue
of
globalization,
like
through
the
pandemic,
I
mean
any
thoughts
or
questions
that
you
have
in
that
space.
B
B
You
know
like
a
worldwide
and
like
across
the
nation.
It's
all
the
same
themes
that
are
playing
out
in
in
our
cities,
whether
you
know
the
issue
is
concentrated
there
or
not.
So
I
I
guess
I'm
curious
paul,
like
what
have
you
seen
themes
and
like
how
in
2020
and
2021
has
like
some
of
the
main
issues
changed
and
and
how?
How
is
your
organization
dealing
with
it?
It
feels
like
everything's
happening
very
rapidly.
D
C
It's
a
heck
of
a
question,
so
let
me
let
me
let
me
try
to
do
my
best
answer,
but
I
think
that
in
this
globalized
moment
we
have
to
understand
that
in
our
region
our
jobs
can
move
everywhere.
Southern
states
have
been
trying
to
take
them
places
around
the
world.
You
know
you
know,
players
can
go
everywhere,
and-
and
so
I
I
think,
coming
out
of
the
2016
election
and
then
even
seeing
it
in
the
2020
down
ballot.
C
I
think
a
lot
of
people
did
not
fully
trust
democrats
with
their
bottom
line
and
do
not
fully
believe
like
we're.
The
party
focused
on
the
good
jobs
for
them,
and
and
and
so
that's
happening
in
this
context,
where
there
are
a
lot
of
communities,
you
know
small
medium-sized,
uniform
manufacturing
places.
You
know
working-class
places.
C
Like
some
extent,
rural
places
like
there
are
different
kinds
of
places
that
have
experienced
job
loss,
and
so
that,
like
having
this
lived
experience
and
then
not
really
buying
that,
even
though
I
I
believe
it
to
be
true
that
the
the
person
with
the
d
next
to
their
name
on
the
ballot
is,
is
the
one
focused
on
making
sure
that
that
their
you
know
that
their
bottom
line
is
proving
that
they
have
good
jobs,
good
wages.
So
I
think,
what's
happening
right
now
is.
B
C
Us
as
a
party,
here's
my
jobs,
climate
change
and
defining
climate
change
is
about
good
jobs
and
and
the
opportunity
there,
but
we're
we're
focused
on
jobs,
focusing
good
wages
and
but
then
I
think
what
differentiates
us
from
republicans
is
with
all
the
things
people
need
to
thrive,
whether
that's
taking
on
equality
and
and
civil
rights.
To
make
sure
you
know
we
are
a
just.
C
You
know
with
skills
they
have
to
build
on
and
a
career
doing
that,
and
so
all
of
that
is
key
because
all
around
the
world
we
do
see,
you
know
a
populist
right
rising
when
in
particular
folks
are
just
not
seeing
the
the
economic
future
for
themselves
that
is
going
to
improve
their
families,
well-being.
Obviously,
this
kind
of
nationalist,
populist
kind
of
politics
capitalizes
on
that
and
mixes
in
all
these
grievances
and
racial
resentments
and
different
things.
C
C
Have
you
put
these
barriers
in
place
because
we
know
this
populist
right
around
the
world
is
going
to
tell
the
story
about
immigrants
and
it's
going
to
lie
and
blood
libel
them.
So
I
think
we
have
to
have
a
story
of
that
is
the
real
one
of
a
vision
for
the
future
and
what
we're
up
against
who's,
trying
to
divide
us
and
but
using
the
values
of
our
community.
How
we
can
come
together
and
take
action
and
win
for
all
of
our
families.
A
Have
you
seen
you
know
given
like
these
these
tectonic
plates,
that
we
talked
about
right
like
globalization,
urbanization
and
climate,
like
have
have
you?
What
has
the
impact
of
these
issues
at
the
local
level
been
because
of
the
pandemic
like
have
it?
Have
you
seen
in
in
kind
of
your
conversations
with
communities
across
the
region,
an
acceleration
of
issues
or
like
what?
What
is
the
impact
of
your
sense
been
because
of
the
pandemic
on
these
challenges?.
C
One
thing
I
heard
from
state
representative
candidates
in
michigan
and
ohio
and
western
pennsylvania
who
did
not
win
and
did
not
do
as
well
as
we
hoped
they
would
do.
Is
they
did
say
you
know
I
I
heard
people
saying
you
know.
Democrats
just
want
to
keep
us
on
lockdown
and
you
know
and
not
let
us
work
and
and
that's
a
tough
thing,
because
there
are
a
lot
of
because
democratic
leaders
who
are
you
know
in
the
governor's
ships
of
of
some
of
these
states
are
doing.
C
C
Us
survive,
you
know
keeping
us
alive
during
this
thing
and
you
know,
but
but
also
thinking
about
small
business,
but
but
I
think
we
really
got
hit
with
a
sense
of
where
against
small
business,
we're
against
workers
and
and
that's
just
that's
just
a
tough,
that's
just
a
tough
thing,
and
but
I
bet
I
really
you
know,
admire
the
decisions,
the
hard
hard
decisions
that
a
lot
of
leaders
had
to
make.
I
just
think
so,
but
going
forward
as
we're
coming
out
of
this
mandate.
I
I
do
think
it's
really
important.
C
You
know
for
our
party
to
be
able
to
be.
You
know
the
party
of
main
street
businesses
up
against.
You
know
these
out
of
state
corporations,
and
you
know
these
venture
capital.
You
know
things
that
are
you
know
you
know
hurting.
You
know
that
the
the
local
company
that's
been
employing
people
for
all
this
time.
C
You
know,
I
don't
know
how
much
the
climate
change
piece
factored
against
us
in
the
election
in
any
way,
and
I
think
it's
more
just
a
positive
of
young
people,
how
pretty
particularly
young
people
like
understand
the
stakes
of
the
election,
and
it's
clear
like
we're.
The
party
trying
to
you
know
take
on
this
challenge
and
the
other
party,
like
just,
doesn't
even
believe
in
it.
C
So
you
know
I
I,
but
I
think
we
really
have
a
moment
of
opportunity
that
we
don't
know
how
long
it'll
last
when
it'll
come
again,
we
just
like
really
have
to
deliver
on.
You
know
I
think,
in
this
infrastructure
package
on
things
that
are
going
to
allow
america
to
confront
this
existential
challenge.
C
But
but
I
love
the
framing
of
it
and
jobs
and
then
obviously
state
and
local
leaders,
and
you
know
and
you're
a
great
guide
on
how
to
do
this
have
to
find
smart
ways
that
are
there
that
that
you
know
every
community
every
state
can
be,
can
be
taking
action
and
doing
things
and
making
their
policies
putting
us
in
a
more
sustainable
place,
but
but,
but
ideally
that
we
can
really
lead
on
this.
Do
you
see.
A
That,
in
the
the
space,
I'm
sure
there's
other
types
of
regional,
similar
types
of
regional
organizations
to
yours.
You
know
the
issue
of
jobs
and
climate
in
particular
in
this
and
and
connected
to
really
the
globalization
connection
is,
is
integrated
and
and
like
that's
one
of
the
things
that
you
know,
we've
seen
through
the
the
development
of
the
marshall
plan
for
middle
america
concept
is
that
by
bringing
those
two
together,
you
start
to
see
what
the
opportunity
that
the
future
could
bring
right.
A
D
C
And
the
people
are
like
yes,
like
that's
what
we
wanted.
I
I
do
wonder
if,
but
I
I
I
mean,
I'm
not
I'm
not
exactly
sure,
but
but
I
think
wherever
you
are,
but
particularly
in
our
region.
I
think
when
you,
when
you
lead
with
the
very
tangible
things
that
people
can
see,
that's
what
puts
you
in
the
best
position
like
if
we
start
with
talking
about
like
clean
water
and
like
making
sure
that
our
water
is
clean.
C
Like
everyone
agrees
with
that,
and
so
we
need
not
get
into
the
way
that
environmental
policies
have
gotten
kind
of
commandeered
into
the
culture
wars.
And
you
know
it's
the
elites.
First,
you
know
hard
work
from
people
that
might
lose
their
jobs
and
stuff.
You
know,
but,
but
if
like,
let's,
let's
not
reinforce
those
that
kind
of
narrative
around
division
like
let's
focus
on
things
we
all
want
and
and
problem
solving.
D
C
Incredible
with
just
changing
the
way
we
organize
and
we
need
to
come
to
farmers
help
like
let's
solve
this
problem
together.
What
would
it
take?
You
know
what
would
be
you
know
for
for
you
to
be
doing
these
different
farming.
You
know
strategies
that
would
be.
You
know
best
for
our
admissions
and
environment
and
you
know,
and
then
for
the
farmers.
It
would
be
about
okay.
Well,
you
know
if
you'd
pay
me
to
you
know,
if,
if
the
incentives
were
set
up
to
do
those
things,
I
would
do
them.
You
know
right.
A
C
We
often
come
with
like
the
policy
like
we
have
the
solution
where
I
think
ultimately,
change
comes.
When
you
have
a
conversation
with
people,
you
listen.
You
really
try
to
understand
why
you
know
they
think
the
thing
is
what
they
think
and
then
and
then
inviting
them
in
together
that
like
how
do
we
solve
these
problems?
C
So
I
think
that's
really
important
when
you're
talking
about
kind
of,
I
guess,
persuasion,
communities
where
they're
you
know
is
not
as
much
if
you
just
said
like
you
support
through
india,
but
it's
not
a
new
deal,
it's
not
about
like
folks.
That
might
just
say
like
yes,
whereas
I
don't
know,
maybe
if
you're
doing
politics
in
california-
or
you
know,
massachusetts
that
you
know
people
just
say
like
I
just
want
to
stop
the
threat
of
climate
change,
but
I'm
not
exactly
sure.
C
Yeah
yeah
and-
and
I
think
and
then
with
clean
energy
being
able
to
show
examples
like
oh
you
know
well
this
thing
over
here
you
know
the
the
that
we
got.
You
know
people
are
getting
these
good
jobs
on
this.
You
know
you
know
wind
turbines
or
solar
installation
like
so
you
know
why?
Don't
we
double
that
and
let's,
let's
have
100
more
good
jobs.
Doing
that
you
know.
C
A
We've
had
some
conversations
the
past
couple
days
about
how
we
can
bring
resources
back
or
not
just
back
but
into
the
region
as
part
of
like
urban
forest
reclamation,
and-
and
you
know
things
in
that
space-
I
mean
what
what
are
some
of
the
areas
that
you
feel
that
you
know.
Investment
can
really
catalyze
that
next
generation
workforce.
B
B
B
That's
kind
of
wreaking
havoc
on
a
lot
of
our
infrastructure,
but
our
hillsides
are
also
slipping
so
in
order
to
kind
of
get
a
hold
on
some
of
these
large
tracks
of
land
that
are
now
being
swallowed
by
invasive
species
and
vines
and
don't
probably
have
much
more
longevity
without
some
sort
of
you
know
an
intervention
and
some
maintenance
there
yeah
there's.
So
there
seems
to
be
a
sweet
spot
where
you
know
you
get.
A
You
know
you've
seen
stuff
just
through,
like
our
marshall
plan
project
we've
had
you
know
the
opportunity
to
work
with
a
number
of
different
cities
throughout
the
region.
One
in
particular
that
comes
to
mind
is
the
city
of
athens
and
and
south
eastern
ohio,
the
home
of
ohio
university,
and
you
know
mayor
patterson.
A
A
A
D
C
So,
but
we
work
really
well
together.
My
father,
I
mean
some
people
would
say.
Oh
I
couldn't
you
know,
bear
to
have
my
parents
looked
at
a
paper
in
high
school.
It
was
like
you
know,
you're,
just
just
painful,
but
we
kind
of
have
no
ego
and
a
good
collaboration.
I
love
kind
of
digging
into
the
research
to
tell
history
in
a
very
vivid
way
that
you
know
these
are
non-fiction,
it's
all
based
on
extensive
research,
but
so
that
you
as
a
reader
can
have
an
almost
novelistic
experience.
C
C
While
slavery,
you
know,
existed
in
half
the
country,
and
but
it
was
the
beginning
of
the
hundred
year,
road
to
brown
burst
of
education,
but
because
a
23
year
old
black
lawyer
named
robert
morris
had
taken
the
case
of
a
five-year-old
black
girl.
Sarah
roberts,
who
had
to
walk
past
five
white
schools,
and
so
with
a
white
lawyer
named
charles
sumner,
who
went
on
to
become
a
famous
senator.
C
A
A
C
Yeah
yeah,
there
really
is,
and-
and
we
love
you
know
those
who
are
thoughtful
about
change
today,
reading
these
stories
and
then
and
then
it
helps
us,
I
think,
with
new
eyes,
you
know
see
what's
going
on
today
and
and
understanding
the
relevance
and
and
people
have
you
know,
with
nine
days
in
particular,
have
just
given
me
really,
I
think,
very
insightful
thoughts
that
that
made
them
have
about.
You
know
our
politics
saying
and
and
the
activism
you
know
and
how
you
know
we
are.
C
You
know
in
the
move,
this
time
of
the
movement
black
lives.
You
know
how
we
are.
You
know
fighting
for
justice
together
and
but
also
you
know
the
the
appeals
that
both
parties
make
and
and
and
you
know,
and
what
works
in
politics,
and
why
john
kennedy
calling
coretta,
king
and
and
bobby
kennedy
calling
this
judge.
C
C
It
just
inherently
gets
across
a
lot
that
I
care
about
is
characters
that
and-
and
you
know
we
wanted
to
four
or
five
of
the
the
people
that
we
you
know,
spend
time
with
passed
away
since
you
know
so
we
really
wanted
to
like
record
these
stories
and
and
and
tell
this
so
you
know
it
it
did
it
it
kind
of
fit
the
values
and
passions.
We
have
just
just
like
the
story
as
it
doesn't
need
any.
A
D
C
C
Diana
harris,
but
but
yeah,
but
harris
was
a
had
been
a
friend
and
advisor
of
dr
king
and
then
was
working
on
the
kennedy
campaign,
but
because
he
had
this
association
with
king.
As
this
you
know,
rare
white
advisor,
who
you
know
gone
to
howard
law
school,
was
passionate
about
non-violence
heard
about
this
minister
doing
it
befriended
king
was
very
helpful
to
king
and
but
then
he's
working
on
the
kennedy
campaign
and
his
friends
in
jail
and
and
he
realized
what
am
I
doing.
C
I
got
to
help
get
him
out
and,
and
he
kind
of
ambled
into
you
know
ultimately
that
he
and
his
his
teammate
was
a
black
journalist
from
chicago
named
louis
martin
and
and
then
their
boss
sergeant
driver.
You
know
the
three
of
them
kind
of
end
up
being
mavericks
on
the
campaign
for
for
what
they
end
up
doing,
but
I
I
was
introduced
to
harris
because
someone
knew
I
was
passionate
about
civil
rights.
I
was
like,
oh
you
love
talking,
harrison
he's
such
a.
C
You
know
a
kind
man
and
but
yeah,
but
my
father
was
like
you
know,
that's
just
it's
really
a
story
that
ought
to
be
a
full
book.
Like
the
the
you
know,
the
the
story
these
last
days,
the
campaign
and
and
and
so
the
the
time
I
spent
with
harris,
was
really
precious.
And
you
know
because
for
harris
like
we
grew
up
with,
you
know
dr
king
and
monuments
and
then
footage
that's,
you
know
black
and
white.
C
That
seems
like
from
a
long
time
ago,
but
you
know
dr
king
was
his
friend
kennedy
was
you
know
he
knew
the
kennedys?
Well
you
know,
and
so
these
so
he
helped
us
again
see
these
figures
in
in
as
young
men
making
fast
decisions
that
would
end
up
defining
history
and
and
he
misses
his-
he
missed
his
friend.
C
You
know
he
passed
away
two
years
ago
near
two
years
now,
but
so
I
I
felt
very
lucky
to
spend
a
lot
of
time
with
him
and
then
also
with
the
veterans
of
the
of
the
atlanta
student
movement,
who
helped,
who
you
know,
went
to
jail
with
king
and-
and
you
know,
had
gotten
king
to
take
this
really
risky
bold
leap
into
going
into.
You
know
a
southern
jail
and
doing
an
imprisonment,
and
so
very
special,
but
harris
was
an
incredible
man.
C
A
C
Yeah
yeah
him
and
schreiber
found
the
peace
corps,
and
then
you
know
later
americorps,
so
he
has
this
whole
national
service
thing.
But
then
you
know
the
center
was
like
ran
on
universal
healthcare
and
and
really
showed
the
electoral
power
of
that
and
yeah
had
been
like
the
college
president.
I
mean
he
just
really
it
some
some
of
the
ones
that
they
called
him
like
the
like
forrest,
gump
of
social
change,
like
he
just
kept
like
showing.
B
A
D
A
Both
of
you,
I
guess
you
know,
we've
lived
time,
you
know
rebecca
I'd,
be
interested
in
kind
of
your
insights,
too,
is
like
you
know,
we're
living
through
this
time
where
all
of
these
underlying
stressors,
you
know,
some
of
which
we've
talked
about
early
on
in
our
conversation,
have
really
been
uncovered.
It's
not
the
word.
B
Yeah,
I
can
start
that's
a
tough,
that's
a
good
question.
I
mean
just
just
from
being
a
city
employee
and,
like
you
know,
working
in
in
the
middle
of
it
we,
you
know
we
had
started
working
on
this.
All
this
resilience
stuff
in
2015,
which
was
like
a
couple
years
ahead,
and
I
feel
like
a
lot
of
what
we
were
starting
to
I
mean
everything
was
bubbled
to
the
surface
in
2020
right,
but,
like
I
don't
I
don't
think
that
all
of
those
issues
were
necessarily
measured
or
out
in
the
forefront.
B
But
as
as
you
know,
it's
it's
re,
it's
hurting
people,
you
know
myself
included
everybody
right.
That's
that's
been
targeted
at
politicians
right
like
there's,
there's
a
blame.
There's
a
system,
that's
been
happening
for
you
know,
hundreds
of
years
and
when
you
get
to
2015
and
you
start
to
recognize,
you
know
where
all
the
detangling
needs
to
happen
within
our
our
processes
to
address.
You
know
the
inequities
and
the
climate
change
and
the
all
the
systems
that
have
led
us
to
this
point.
It
takes
a
long
time.
B
So
I
I
think
you
know
just
just
thinking
about
the
work
that
paul
does
and
the
messaging.
It's
been
really
difficult
to
explain
that
this
is
a
it's
a
long
game
and
that,
like
everything,
that's
that's
now
at
the
surface
is,
is
you
know
hard
for
government
to
detangle
and
hard
for
you
know,
people
to
handle,
and
I
think
that
you
know
we're
all
marching
together
and
like
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
address
it.
But
it's
all
it's
all
new
and
it's
all
uncovered.
I
guess
I
don't
know
if
that
answered.
A
A
C
No
but
yeah
and
again
these
were
you,
know
monumental.
Things
of
you
know
ending
slavery
of
of
you
know
getting
to
civil
rights
legislation,
but
I
can
only
imagine
the
the
impatience
and
the
urgency,
and
you
know
for
douglas,
seeing
the
civil
war
was
this
opportunity.
It
could
evolve
into
this
but
like
what,
if
it
didn't
and
the
opportunities
life
was
missed
and
so
yeah
he
was
really
pushing
pushy
pushing
you
know.
Obviously
you
know
every
day
is
you
know,
lives
are
lost
and
and
and
and
immeasurable.
C
C
You
have
to
read
the
book,
but
they
they
very
nearly
get
fired,
essentially
and
and
then
end
up
doing
some
things
that
they
don't
even
tell
them
they
do.
But
but
you
know,
but
he
does
call
credit
king.
You
know
based
on
this
idea
that
comes
and
and
and
nixon
doesn't,
despite
that
nixon
had
black
activists
well,
black
staffers,
who
are
also
activists
like
jackie
robinson
telling
him.
C
That
was
that
did
change
a
lot
of
hearts
and
minds,
and
so
you
know
that
so
he's
creating
the
change
in
the
public.
Will
that
create
change
in
the
public
will
and
he
is
thinking
about
yeah?
How
do
I
bring
more
people
along
to
my
side?
How
do
I,
you
know,
set
up
the
situation
that
makes
people
feel
you
know
what
that's
wrong?
What's
going
on,
you
know
I.
I
want
a
change.
You
know
for.
C
What's
right
and
and
the
sit-ins
these
college
students,
you
know
at
these
lunch
counters
getting
taken
off
to
jail,
the
the
situations,
king
and
and
others
and
leaders
of
the
civil
rights
movement
create,
were
super
effective
in
and
also
just
convincing,
showing
people
the
urgency
of
the
problem,
and
this
can't
be
put
off.
It's
not
a
minor
thing,
and
you
know
that's
borne
out
a
lot
of
data
that
you
know
it
took
people
to
just
seeing
it
as
something
that
needs
to
be
addressed.
C
You
know,
biden,
I
think,
did
impress
a
lot
of
people
in
really
listening
to
black
lives
matter.
Activists
to
you
know,
sunrise
movement,
you
know,
and
climate
activists-
and
you
know
bringing
them
to
the
table
for
solutions
like
you
know,
making
call
to
you
know
jacob
blake's
family.
In
kenosha
I
mean.
C
C
You
really
see
the
power
of
organizing
it
and
that
part
of
activism,
of
of
doing
the
work
to
you
know
the
activism
shows
the
stakes
of
the
election
and
and
can
clarify
where
the
politicians
stand,
but
you
know
but
but
long-term
change,
and
I
think
this
is
instructive
for
our
region.
You
know
can
come
about
through.
You
know
dedicated
vision
and
strategy
in
in
the
organizing.
C
A
You
know
just
to
kind
of
wrap
it
up
here
coming
up
against
time.
You
know,
and
I
I
would
be
remiss
to
not
ask
this
question
with
an
author
so
rebecca,
and
I
always
like
to
talk
with
guests
about
what
you're
reading
what
you're
watching
or
what
you're
listening
to,
and
so
I
would
imagine,
there's
a
couple
of
good
choices
right
behind
you
there
but
paul.
What's
what
what's
on
your
what's
on
your
reading
list
right
now
or
or
do
you
have
another
book
in
mind?
C
C
Excited
to
read
the
someone
I
interviewed
for
the
book
who
was
who
went
was
a
he
had
just
gotten
to
campus
and
said:
you
know,
said:
okay
I'll,
do
the
city
and
go
to
jail
with
you
all,
just
so
brave
as
an
18
year
old
of
you
know,
parents
saved
up
the
stream,
send
you
to
college,
and
then
you
go
to
jail
immediately.
You
know
for
for
freedom
and
civil
rights
named
charles
person
really
kind
man.
He
his
memoirs
were
just
published,
and
so
I'm
really
excited
to
read.
C
It's
called
the
bus
is
coming
because
he
was
the
then
the
youngest
freedom
rider.
So
he
did
this
first
imprisonment
during
the
events
of
nine
days
and
then
and
then
pretty
soon
after
the
next
year
put
stand
up
and
so
he's
the
last
surviving
freedom
rider
who
went
from
washington
all
the
way
to
new
orleans,
and
so
it's
an
important
testament.
B
C
Yeah,
exactly
and
talking
to
friends
that
were
there
and
stuff,
so
yeah
lafayette
square
was
what
would
be
the
next
idea.
But
you
know
it
takes
such
a
lot
of
time
to
write
a
book
we
poured
so
much
interviews
and
and
research
and
the
you
know
local
papers
and
the
oral
histories
in
1960
to
write
nine
days
right
now,
it's
it's
great
to
focus
on
rising,
and
you
know
we
really
welcome
everyone
to.
You
know,
sign
up
to
get
our
invites
to
our
sessions
join
us.
C
You
know
utilize
our
resources
and
as
well.
You
know
what
we'll
help
people
run
progress
or
be
effective
on
on
behalf
of
those
who
are
running
and-
and
you
know,
the
activism
that
you
know
folks
are
doing
locally
around
our
region,
and
so
you
know
folks
go
to
russvarising.com
sign
up
again.
It's
all
free
and
we
love
to
help
people
and
so
for.
B
C
B
B
B
B
A
D
B
D
A
C
Great
I
mean
there
were
some
great
movies.
This
year
I
loved
jews
in
the
black
messiah.
I
thought
it
was
a
great
one,
sound
of
metal
one
night,
miami
white
tiger,
what
else
minari
yeah
this
one's?
I'm
sure
I'm
forgetting
some
I
really
liked,
but
but
yeah
this
one's.
I
think
some
really
really
powerful
movies
so
yeah,
so
those
are
some
that
I've
been
watching
and
usually
listening
to
the
chicago
band
whitney.
That's
my
my
favorite
tracks
at
the
moment.
A
So
well,
we
want
to
thank
you
rebecca,
thank
you,
as
always
thank
everyone
for
listening
to
the
grant
street
experience.
Without
you,
we
wouldn't
have
any
listeners,
and
this
wouldn't
be
as
much
fun,
but
thanks
to
our
guest,
paul
kendrick
and
thanks
paul
for
your
contributions
to
our
region
and
the
work
that
you
do
really
appreciate.
It.