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From YouTube: The Grant Street Experience: Shelly Danko+Day
Description
On this episode of The Grant Street Experience, Grant Ervin and Rebecca Kiernan talk to Shelly Danko+Day.
A
A
The
plus
is
silent.
The
food
policy
guru
for
the
city
of
pittsburgh
shelley
welcome
to
the
grant
street
experience.
A
It's
it's
good
to
see
you
so
we're
we're
we're
broadcasting
from
a
variety
of
different
places
here,
the
audience
kind
of
knows
my
attic
in
rebecca's
kitchen
shelly,
where,
where
are
you?
Where
are
you
coming
from
today?.
C
I
am,
are
we
talking
neighborhood
or
like
I'm
in
the
city
of
pittsburgh?
Obviously
I'm
in
the
highland
park
neighborhood-
and
this
is
my
living
room
with
some
of
my
art
collection
here,
a
tiny
little
salvador
dali
there.
I
can't
remember
the
dog's
name,
I'm
sorry,
but
he's
from
braddock
and
that's
a
local
photographer
and
then
up
here
you've
got
our
there's
some
interesting
metal
things
and
some
skulls.
A
Exactly
that's
great:
where
did
where'd
you
get
the
salvador
dali
from.
C
A
Interesting
interesting
well.
Well,
thanks
for
joining
us
today,
food
has
been
a
hot
topic
during
coven
19.,
and
we
wanted
to
take
a
moment
or
or
a
few
moments
on
our
show
here
to
learn
a
little
bit
more
about
kind
of
the
pittsburgh
food
system
and
some
of
the
challenges
that
we're
facing
with
regards
to
both
food
distribution
and
food
access
across
the
city.
A
That's
become
all
too
prevalent
both
before
coven
19,
but
has
really,
I
think,
during
the
cobit
crisis,
become
a
very
visible
kind
of
impact
or
issue
that
we've
seen
here
in
pittsburgh,
but
maybe
get
started
shelley.
If
you
could
give
folks
a
little
bit
about
a
kind
of
background
about
yourself
kind
of
how
you
came
to
food
policy
and
how
you
came
to
work
with
the
city
of
pittsburgh
and
and
some
of
the
work
that
you
do
here.
C
Okay,
well,
I
guess
my
urban
ag
background
goes
all
the
way.
Back
to
my
days
as
a
kid.
My
grandma
grew
a
garden.
She
would
always
grow
a
ton
of
tomatoes
and
canned
them,
and
then
we
would
have
macaroni
and
tomatoes
that
was
my
favorite
lunch.
I
would
put
way
too
much
butter
and
way
too
much
salt
in
it
for
her
liking.
C
But
it's
still
my
favorite
thing
with
way
too
much
butter
way
too
much
salt
and
I
remember
eating
scallions
like
pulling
them
right
out
of
the
dirt
and
eating
them
that
my
dad
grew.
So
there's
there's
that
background,
but
then
I
kind
of
lost
it
for
a
while
and
then
re-entered
it
back
in
2004.
I
got
laid
off
from
a
job
and
I
I
had
to
look
at
my
budget
and
figure
out
what
I
was
going
to
do.
C
In
the
meantime,
I
found
a
job
and
I
realized
that
most
of
my
budget
was
spent
on
food,
and
so
I
thought
well.
Why
would
I
work
for
minimum
wage
and
then
spend
all
that
money
on
food?
So
why
don't
I
just
work
for
food,
so
I
got
a
job
at
a
farm,
mildred's
daughter's
urban
farm
and
I
did
farm
work
for
in
exchange
for
food,
so
it
was
my
first
barter
gig
and
then
I
from
that
I
got
a
job
with
grow
pittsburgh.
C
I
was
the
program
manager
for
the
edible
schoolyard
and
established
the
edible
schoolyards
of
both
faison
and
dilworth
elementary
schools,
and
then,
when
chatham
came
out
with
their
food
studies
program
in
20.
What
was
it
it
just
spoke
to
me.
So
it
was
like
everything
that
that
had
been
accumulating
in
my
life.
Up
to
that
point
just
seemed
like
yeah.
This
is
all
the
things
that
I'm
into
so
went.
There
learned
a
lot
and
got
my
master's
degree
in
food
studies,
which
is
basically
food
systems.
C
And
so
I
my
thesis
was
on
the
east
liberty,
farmer's
market
cooperative
or
the
farmer's
market
cooperative
of
east
liberty,
which
is
over
by
the
home
depot
on
sheridan.
It's
been
there
since
1942
and
it's
it's
still
there
and
bustling
every
saturday
from
5
a.m,
to
noon
with
local
farmers,
some
anchor
farmers
that
started
there.
C
When
I
graduated
from
there,
I
did
a
few
things
and
then,
when
the
mayor
I
did
some
some
consulting
and
some
other
odd
jobs,
and
I
I
did
some
cooking
at
home
for
people
which
was
interesting
and
grocery
shopping
and
like
meal
advising
and
prep
and
stuff,
and
so
just
you
know,
trying
to
make
ends
meet
because
the
masters
in
food
studies
doesn't
really
guarantee
you
a
job
anyway.
In
2014,
the
mayor
got
elected
and
wanted
to
have
somebody
work
on
urban
agriculture
and
food
policy.
C
So
looked
at
the
food
system
and
of
course
you
know,
planning
is
land
use,
so
urban
agriculture
was
easy.
Plus
we
had
had
this
urban
ag
code,
zoning
code
for
chickens
and
bees
since
2011,
and
it
wasn't
really
working
because
we
only
had
13
permits
out
there
and
we
had
a
chicken
coop
tour
that
had
22
coops
on
it.
So
we
knew
there
was
some
disconnect
there.
So
we
rewrote
that
and
it
took
about
a
year.
C
Government
is
very
slow,
and
so
it
wasn't
until
july
of
2015
that
we
ended
up
passing
the
zoning
code
that
allowed
chickens
ducks
bees
and
two
miniature
goats
by
an
over-the-counter
permit.
So
you
didn't
need
to
go
through
the
planning
commission
and
get
a
variance
or
the
zoning
board
and
get
a
variance.
You
could
just
get
a
permit
over
the
counter
and
it
reduced
the
cost
from
340
dollars
to
70.
B
C
And
now
breaking
news-
I
didn't
even
know
this
when
this
whole
covid
thing
came
down.
I
was
on
vacation,
as
you
both
know,
and
I
came
here.
C
Was
a
nice
transition
into
working
from
home
for
ever
or,
however
long
it
ends
up
being,
but
people
were
asking
me
because,
of
course,
everybody's
like
panicking.
That
now
is
the
time
to
be
sustainable,
self-sustainable
and
be
able
to
grow
your
own
food
and
raise
your
own
food
and
everyone
wanted
chicken.
So
I'm
getting
all
these
messages
saying
how
do
I
get
a
permit?
How
do
I
get
a
permanent,
I'm
like
okay?
I
know
this,
so
I
contact
zoning
because
everything's
online
now
I
was
like
where's
the
link
for
the
chicken
permit.
B
You
don't
need
a
permit
for
permit
for
your
coop
anymore,
nothing
what
I
got
busted
for
that.
I
know.
A
C
Bees
are
different,
obviously
than
chickens.
It
seems
like
they're,
they're,
smaller
and
less
of
a
nuisance,
but
there
is
a
problem
with
being
in
their
fl.
It's
called
the
flyway,
so
the
bees
leave
their
hive
and
it
takes
them
about
six
to
ten
feet
to
get
over
your
head.
Essentially,
so
you
have
to
have
that
space.
That's
not
facing
your
neighbor's
pool
that
the
bees
can
fly
away.
A
B
C
Actually
had
that
scenario
happen
in
the
city,
so
you
want
to
make
sure
that
you
have
the
bees
the
entrance
of
the
hive
facing
away,
and
you
have
enough
space
so
that
they
can.
They
can
get
above
people's
heads
before
they're
intersecting
with
where
people
are
so.
C
Essentially,
yeah
yeah,
and
if
you
have
like
enough
space,
you
don't
have
to
build
anything,
but
the
language
in
the
zoning
code
is
very
complicated.
C
A
What
is,
do
you
have?
Do
you
have
chicken
shelly.
A
So
what
what's
tell
tell
us
both
of
you,
I
guess
tell
us
about
raising
chickens
in
the
city.
What
is
what
goes
into
it?
I
mean
like
the
the
process,
the
start
to
finish,
how
do
you
kind
of
get
the
ball
rolling,
rebecca.
B
Well,
you
need
a
coupe
first,
they
need
somewhere
to
live.
So
I
think
that,
that's
probably
I
mean
shelley
correct
me.
If
I'm
wrong,
I
think
that's
probably
step
number
one.
Otherwise
I
mean
they
kind
of
they
ate
all
the
weeds
in
the
yard.
I
feed
them
all
my
food
scraps,
so
we
don't
really
have
any
food
waste
and
then
you
know
I
feed
them
every
day
with
some
feed
that
I
get
from
a
local
greenhouse
water.
B
Are
just
flowing
yeah.
C
A
A
B
Right
back
here
I
mean
it's
depending
on
the
type
you
could
get
like
layer,
chickens
or
meat
focused
chickens.
If
you
wanted
to
do
that
or
then
there's
like
the
ornamental
chickens,
okay,
pretty
cool.
You
know
the
ones
with
like
the
fluffy
heads,
but
I
just
have
some
tractor
supply,
chickens
and
they're.
I
think
we're
on
year
four
and
I
get
about
two
or
three
a
day,
usually.
B
A
The
freela,
what
now
you
name
your
chickens
right.
B
B
Mine
are
pot,
pie,
patty
finger
and
roberta,
but
three
of
them
are
the
same,
and
I
I
have
a
hard
time
selling
them
apart.
The
only
one
daddy.
A
Chicken
patty
chicken
figure
roberta
how's
roberta,
come
into
the
mix.
A
And
what
about
you
shelly?
Do
your
chickens
have
names.
C
C
A
C
B
C
Chickens
need
to
explore
or
they
go
crazy
and
start
pecking,
their
feathers
out,
and
I
think
I
have
some
anxious
chickens
right
now.
So
I'm
thinking
about
going
back
to
just
like
some
leghorns,
some
real
basic
breeds,
because
my
purpose
for
having
chickens
isn't
for
the
the
novelty
of
it
or
the
the
different.
You
know
it's
it's.
So
what
am
I
talking
about?
There's
there's
so
many
designer
chickens
out
there
now
the
ones
with
the
the
hats
and
the
pants
and
the
shoes.
You
know
they
have
the
big
fluffy
feet.
C
B
Yep
I
got
mine
at
tractor
supply
thinking
that
I
would
probably
go
through
a
couple
of
phases
of
chickens
because
you
know
things
get
them.
You
know
down
here
in
the
run,
I
think
we
have
foxes
and
raccoons
and
stuff,
but
I
still
have
the
same
starter
chickens
that
we
bought,
but
I
got
them
from
tractor
supply.
Where's.
B
A
Good
poultry
farm-
that's
interesting!
So
so
shelley.
Do
you
see
a
a
lot
of
folks,
starting
because
of
both
like
the
code
updates?
You
know
the
urban
ag
code.
I
mean
how
things
kind
of
proliferated
in
terms
of
urban
agriculture.
Here
in
the
city,
it
seems
as
if
there's
kind
of
a
growth
and
momentum
that
is,
you
know
more
and
more
people
are
getting
chickens
in
their
backyard
or
kind
of
the
local
growing
movement.
C
I
think
that
the
sort
of
homesteading-
and
you
know
farmers
markets-
were
kind
of
the
first
part
of
that
in
cities,
and
we,
I
guess
our
farmers
markets
started
in
like
the
80s
90s
and
then
it's
just
been
kind
of
slowly
increasing
and
then,
like
I
said,
chatham's
food
studies
program
was
speaking
to
all
of
those
interests
that
were
coming
up
around
the
country
and
so
chickens.
Just
sort
of
fell
right
into
that,
and
it
was
great
when
we
we
didn't
have
a
code.
It
was.
C
I
remember,
I
emailed
the
mayor's
office
back
in
2006
and
they
sent
me
the
code
for
dogs
and
cats
and
said
this
will
work
for
your
chickens.
I
sell.
C
Really
funny
anyway,
but
I
think
like
now
so-
everybody's
been
kind
of
thinking
in
terms
of
of
sustaining
themselves
and
and
being
more
food,
self-sustaining
around
food
and
growing
their
own
food
and
canning,
and
all
of
that
and
the
chickens.
I
think
people
kind
of
maybe
they
shied
away
from
chickens
a
little
bit
more,
because
it
is
sort
of
an
outside
thing
and
you
gotta
build
a
coop
like
you
need
to
make
sure
that
your
coop
has
all
sides
solid
so
that
things
can't
get
in
fencing,
won't
protect
your
chickens.
C
C
A
C
But
yeah
I
mean
it's
it.
Does
it
probably
cost
that
to
like
on
the
feed
that
I
feed
them,
but
they
also
give
me
the
the
compost
for
my
garden.
So
my
tomatoes
are
growing
in
the
chicken
manure
and
I'm
doing
amazing,
and
then
they
eat
my
my
food
scraps.
So
I
don't
have
that
going
to
the
landfill
like
rebecca
was
saying,
that's
a
huge
benefit
to
having
chickens.
So
I
think,
but
the
dilemma
that
I'm
having
is
that
people
want
these
designer
chickens
or
they'll,
get
them
with
they'll
get
the
sex.
C
B
C
A
C
No,
no,
no,
he
really
escaped.
I
was
on
vacation
and
my
neighbor
thought
he
knew
how
to
handle
chickens
better
than
I
did
and
it
got
away
and
we
never
saw
him
again.
A
C
I
think
beekeeping
is
a
very
serious
and
time-consuming
and
somewhat
expensive
hobby.
So,
but
you
do
see
that
a
lot
people
I
think
that
would
be
in
competition
with
chickens
and
chickens,
are
a
little
less
costly
to
set
up.
I
would
say
you
can
do
on
a
thin
budget
and
they're
pretty
easy
to
take
care
of,
but
it's
a
daily
daily
thing
like
with
bees:
it's
not
a
daily
responsibility,
but
there
is
a
responsibility
there
with
chickens.
C
It's
a
daily
responsibility
twice
a
day,
but
it's
easier
than
a
dog
or
a
cat,
and
I
think
it's
more
beneficial
than
a
cat.
Even
though
cats
are
pretty
easy,
you
still
have
to
pick
up
its
manure.
Well,
you
pick
up
the
chicken's
manure
and
then
you
put
it
in
your
garden
so
and
then
the
other
thing
that
comes
out
of
its
butt
you
get
to
eat.
So
it's
all
good.
C
B
Why
why
goats
and
not
sheep.
C
You
know,
goats
were
the
one
thing
that
a
lot
of
other
cities
had
done.
I
know
we
were
looking
at
a
lot
of
things.
We
were
looking
at
ruminants
and
calling
it
ruminants
and
the
code
which
is
so
government
and
I'm
glad
it's
just
goats
instead
of
ruminants.
C
But
I
don't
know
it
got
to
the
point
where
we
were
debating
things
so
much
that
we
just
decided
like,
let's
just
put
in
too
many
goats
and
see
how
it
goes
because
we
thought
it
was
going
to
be
next
by
council
who
knew
what
was
going
to
happen
because
in
2011,
when
the
legislation
passed
the
first
time
there
was
huge
uproar
like
people
with
signs
like
the
bees
are
gonna
kill
you
they're,
you
know
the
mayor
wants
killer
bees
and
it
was
terrible
and
the
chickens.
C
They're
gonna
pack,
your
eyes
out,
they're
gonna
stink
up
the
neighborhood.
It's
gonna
be
terrible.
The
noise.
You
know
everybody
had
these
ideas
so
then
by
20
2015.
When
we
passed
the
new
legislation
there
like
we
were
gearing
up.
We
had
everybody
lined
like
it
in
in
at
the
defense
and
ready
to
go,
and
there
was
not
one
little
pete
like
nobody.
C
I
think
people
just
got
used
to
it
and
it
was
one
of
the
biggest
lessons
that
I
think
I
learned
from
government
is
that
sometimes
you
have
to
put
something
out
there.
That's
not
great,
it
just
puts
it
out
there.
It's
it's
messy.
C
Yeah
and
then
people
get
used
to
it,
and
then
you
know
when
you
do
change
it
like
now,
and
nobody
even
knows
that
you
don't
need
a
permit
anymore,
that's
huge,
it
wasn't.
Even
it
wasn't
even
newsworthy,
it
wasn't
even
worth
them
telling
me,
which
I
think
is
really
funny,
because
I
wrote
help
to
write
the
anyway
so
yeah.
I
I.
A
It's
so
is
it
education
and
awareness
where
people
you
know
like
your,
your
neighbor
might
have
chickens
or
your
neighbor
might
be
a
beekeeper,
so
people
are
becoming
more
familiar
and,
as
a
result,
more
comfortable
with
the
concepts.
A
Do
mean
rebecca,
like
with
with
your
neighborhood,
I
guess
like.
Are
there
others
that
have
chickens
in
the
run
or
like.
B
Love
that
there's
some
yeah
there's
some
other
ones
down
the
block.
There's
also
somebody
that
keeps
bees
down
here
too,
but
we
also
live
underneath
the
parkway.
So
I
mean
you
can't
really
hear
them.
A
You
can't
hear
them
kind
of
muted,
but
I
guess
like
the
the
other
thing,
though
you
see
with
this,
is
that
there's
communities
that
are
being
formed
right
where,
like
burgs
bees
or
there's,
I
think
a
group
of
folks
that
are
raising
chickens
that
have
started
to
come
together
to
like
share
information
with
one
another.
I
mean
those
things
are
starting
to
proliferate
right,
shelly,
well,.
C
Actually
that
started
back
in
2011
when
they
were
writing
the
original
urban
ag
code
and
when
it
became
when
it
passed.
Pardon
me
when
it
passed
and
it
was
so
unattainable
for
a
lot
of
people,
because
the
price
tag
and
the
time
frame
and
and
all
the
paperwork
that
was
necessary.
So
there
was
an
organization
that
came
together
called
the
pittsburgh
pro
poultry
people
or
p4.
C
So
2011
the
p4
started
and
they
had
the
chicks
in
the
hood
coupe
tour.
A
C
And
that
went
on
for
several
years
and
I
think
we
had
one
last
year,
I
wasn't
on
the
tour.
I
was
on
a
couple
of
the
tours
in
the
very
beginning
but
yeah,
so
they
did
a
lot
of
outreach.
They
were
like
at
the
convention
center
at
the.
What
is
that
the
house.
C
And
garden
show
yes,
we
we
were
on
kdka
once
and
telling
people
about
chickens,
so
they
were.
C
They
were
the
go-to
entity
for
anybody
who
wanted
to
learn
about
chickens,
so
municipalities
would
call
them
up
and
they'd
take
some
chickens
out
there
and
teach
people
about
handling
chickens
and
and
care
of
chickens,
and
so
they
did
a
really
good
job
of
advocating
for
chicken
ownership
and
chicken
raising
and
they
managed
to
get
the
code
changed
in
quite
a
few
places
and
then,
finally,
in
in
pittsburgh,
we
got
we
changed
in
and
out
of,
the
notes,
which
is
like
a
curveball
which
is
fun
but
they're
still
they're,
still
sort
of
going
they're
not
really
needed
in
the
city
of
pittsburgh
anymore.
C
A
You've
also
done
a
lot
of
work
with
the
adopt-a-lot
program,
and
that
has
become
another
kind
of
critical
tool
for
urban
agriculture
in
the
city
right
in
terms
of
if
you
could
maybe
share
with
folks
about
some
of
the
organizations
that
you're
working
with
that
are
using
the
lot
program
for
an
agricultural
purpose
and
maybe
some
of
their
stories.
If
you
could
share
a
little
bit
about
that.
C
Okay,
well,
the
adopt-a-lot
program
for
anyone
who
doesn't
know
is
the
very
first
time
in
the
history
of
the
city
of
pittsburgh.
It's
a
way
for
people
to
access
legally
city-owned
land
for
food,
flower
or
rain
gardens,
and
we
have
about
150
lots
that
are
have
been
adopted
out
and
40.
I
think
it
adds
up
to
like
45
projects,
something
like
that
and
many
of
them
are
food
gardens.
C
C
A
little
bit
bugs
yeah
bugs
is
a
really
great
organization.
It's
the
black
urban
gardeners
and
farmers
of
pittsburgh.
It's
a
national
organization.
C
We
have
the
the
pittsburgh
chapter
here,
obviously,
and
they
are
a
really
great
organization
that
grows
food
and
does
work
in
the
community
and
teaches
about
growing
food
and
they're
really
awesome,
so
they
have
six
or
eight
lots
on
one
site
in
homewood,
and
then
they
got
a
second
site
across
the
street
from
that
and
they've
got
an
apiary
there,
they've
got
a
hoop
house,
so
this
is
the
thing
we
didn't
have
any
of
these
things
allowed
on
city
land,
and
it
was,
I
think,
everyone
was
kind
of
everyone,
so
the
organizations
that
were
trying
to
do
these
things
were
sort
of
fatalistic
about
it.
C
Like
oh,
the
zoning
code,
will
let
us
do
that
and
I
was
like
well
that's
crap.
Let's
make
it
happen,
so
we
through
the
adopt-a-lot
program
it
takes
government
is
very
complicated
and
it
takes
a
long
time
to
sort
of
sort
through.
Why
something
can't
happen,
and
I
used
to
say
things
like:
why
can't
we
just
blah
and
then
I
realized
that
there's
a
lot
of
reasons
why
we
can't
just
anything
in
government.
It's
really
really
complicated.
That.
C
And
I
guess
anything
with
the
the
multiple
you
know,
hundreds
of
years
of
layers
of
legislation
and
rules
that
they've
put
on
there,
because
there's
always
a
really
good
reason
and
maybe
a
couple
good
reasons
and
so
working
through
those
reasons
and
figuring
out
like
we
can't
do
it
like
this.
We
could
do
this,
and
so
what
about
this?
And
anyway,
so
through
the
adopt-a-lot
program,
we
get
people
access
to
city-owned
lots
for
food,
flower,
rain,
gardens
and
now
we've
got.
A
C
Houses
thanks
grant
for
keeping
me
on
task.
Hoop
house
is
an
unheated
greenhouse
that
extends
the
growing
season,
but
this
ring
and
in
the
fall
to
where
you
could
get
almost
like
of
growing
out
of
our
pittsburgh
years.
So
that's
really
really
beneficial
to
farmers,
especially
farmers
who
want
to
sell
their
products.
C
It
helps
to
have
a
longer
question,
and
so
so
bugs
was
the
first
one
to
apply
and
go
through
the
whole
process,
because
it
did
take
time
to
get
a
hoop
house
on
their
site
because
it
wasn't
in.
We
are
commissioned
in
the
city
of
pittsburgh
that
approves
everything
that
is
on
city-owned
lots.
C
Any
visual
things
on
city
unlocks
a
hoop
house
is
big
visual
thing,
so
we
had
to
take
the
hoop
house
plans
through
our
commission
to
get
that
approved
to
be
built
on
city-owned
land,
so
that
got
approved,
and
that
was
really
huge
to
have
that
be
the
first
one
of
its
kind,
so
that
sort
of
paved
the
way
for
other
ones.
We've
had
a
few
others
subsequently
come
through
and
be
part
of
the
adopt-a-lot
projects.
C
C
Yeah
and
I'm
not
sure
if
it's
because
they've
started
coming
into
the
city
or
because
they
they
heard
that
I
think
a
lot
of
them
that
were
they
were
growing
in
the
peri
urban
areas.
Pardon
me,
like
tiny
seed
farm
is
one
of
them
that
adopted
some
land
up
in
lincoln,
levington
and
they're
doing
a
farm
up
there,
but
they
heard
about
the
adopt-a-lot
program.
I
thought
well,
let's
give
this
a
shot.
C
And
and
where
they
sell
right,
pittsburgh
is
the
largest
metropolitan
area
in
the
the
largest
municipality
in
allegheny
county
of
128
municipalities.
So
this
is
really
a
lot
of
people's
main
sales
point.
A
The
the
the
growth
in
kind
of
that
has,
I
think,
been
really
amazing,
where
people
are
starting
to
make
kind
of
that
connection
with
where
their
food
come
comes
from
and
you've
been
a
part
of
this
too,
with
farmers
markets
as
well.
A
What's
that
the
network
look
like
in
terms
of
I'm
just
thinking,
you've
been
involved
with
like
the
bloomfield
market,
and
you
mentioned
the
food
studies
program
at
chatham.
You're
involved
in
you
did
the
research
around
the
east
liberty
market,
where,
where
is
food
coming
from
in
terms
of
like
the
local
farms
and
what
are
some
of
the
products
that
they're
bringing
to
market
here
from
southwestern
pennsylvania.
C
Well,
the
yeah
they
all
all
over
southwestern
pennsylvania
farms
are
everywhere
from
like
fayette
county
county.
We've
got
a
couple
from
ohio
up
north
in
and
butler
county,
so
I
would
say
from
within,
probably
farmers
don't
wouldn't
drive
more
than
like
80
to
100
miles
to
get
to
market
if
that
it's
usually
closer
than
that,
and
what
sort
of
products
do
you
mean
like
this
time
of
year?.
C
Well,
obviously,
lots
of
vegetables
and
right
now
it's
garlic.
Scapes
are
the
in
season
right
now.
So
if
you
love
your
garlic,
get
some
garlic
scapes
make
some
pesto
just
fry
it
up.
It's
delicious
or
I
should
say
saute
it
up,
don't
deep
fry
it.
I
guess.
A
C
Good,
let's
see
one
of
the
things,
that's
so
lots
of
vegetables.
Obviously
we
grow.
I
haven't
seen
a
lot
of
like
milk,
but
I
have
seen
a
lot
of
cheese
being
brought
to
market
you'll
find
some
cut
flowers,
which
are
always
nice
and
meat.
Meat
was
really
during
this.
This
weird
time,
this
open
time
movie
calling
this
time.
This
great
pause.
C
Is
this
yeah,
this
global
pandemic
time
meat?
You
know,
we've
all
heard
about
the
meat
packaging
companies,
meat
processing
companies,
factories
shutting
down,
because
there's
so
many
people
with
the
covid
there
that
our
local
meat
producers
have
just
been
like
their
sales
have
been
going
up
so
much
to
an
overwhelming
point
wow.
So
that's
it's
it's
good,
but
they're
having
to
like
recalibrate,
really
quick-
and
I
think
another
really
interesting
thing-
that's
been
happening
at
farmers.
C
Markets
is
most
of
them,
have
pivoted
and
figured
out
a
way
to
take
credit
cards
and
payment
on
either
like
paypal
or
venmo,
or
one
of
those
services.
A
C
That's
been
pretty
interesting
too,
and
you
could
pay
for
stuff
ahead
of
time.
It's
that's
not
food
related,
but
it's
commerce
related.
It
makes
it
really
easy
for
them
to
keep
track
of
stuff
too.
A
Well,
it's
important
too.
I
mean
rebecca
you've.
Seen
this,
I
mean
in
terms
of
the
loss
of
the
the
consumer.
Practices
have
changed
right
where
you
know,
we've
had
a
commercial
market
that
existed
in
terms
of
restaurants
and
you
know
kind
of
traditional
grocery
stores
and
things
like
that
that
that
market
basically
disappeared
and
everybody
is
in
kind
of
the
at-home
market.
So
we've
seen
like
the
loss
of
product
and
material
in
like
the
dairy
industry
or
others,
you
know
I
mean.
How
is
that
that
shifted?
B
B
I
was
going
to
ask
shelly:
are:
are
you
seeing
anything
in
terms
of
like
the
hyper
local?
So,
like
you
know,
we
do
have
some
of
these
farms
that
have
hoop
houses
and
are
growing
on
adopt
a
lot
lots.
Are
they
able
to
to
sell
any
of
their
produce
locally.
C
They
are
yeah,
I
I
guess
I
can
only
talk
about
bugs
they've
they've
been
growing,
some
greens
in
the
hoop
house
and
they
sold
that
at
the
farmers
market
I
think
grow.
Pittsburgh
has
some
and
they
had
a.
There
was
a
farmers
market
in
homewood
that
I
didn't
make
it
to
on
saturday,
and
apparently
it
was
all
the
local
entities
selling
their
products
so
yeah.
I
know
it's
definitely
happening
and.
B
A
I
mean
how
do
we
get
more
of
that?
I
guess
I
mean
just
the
hyper-local
movement
in
general,
I
mean
because
we've
seen
like
some
of
the
benefits.
Just
with
this
study
that
shelly
we
did
with
carnegie
mellon
and
the
folks
at
tepper
school
about
you
know
the
the
climate
benefits
of
reducing
your
food
footprint
in
terms
of
the
reduction
of
transportation
emissions.
You
know
getting
food
from
farm
to
market
like
there's
huge
benefits
to
local
economies.
A
C
Yeah,
I
just
want
to
point
out
grant
that
yeah.
True,
the
transportation
cost
of
food
contributes
to
the
carbon
footprint,
but
actually
the
production
of
the
food
is
huge,
the
fossil
fuel,
the
f.
What
am
I
thinking
the
fertilizer
and
the
pesticides
they're
all
they're
fossil?
What
am
I
thinking?
What's
the
word,
I'm
looking
for.
A
C
Essentially,
for
you
know,
weeks
or
months
after
the
cows
have
passed
and
become
on
our
you
know,
stakes
on
our
plate,
so
that's
the
biggest
problem
with
the
global
food
system.
So
having
your
product
be
more
local.
The
farmers
are
more
attentive
to
these
things.
They
don't
use
those
pesticides
or
those
chemical
fertilizers
and
it's
more
of
a
full
cycle
sort
of
farm
that
we're
dealing
with
here.
So
supporting
those
is
beneficial.
Like
ten
fold,
it's
it's
not
just
like
making
a
decision
and
buying
organic
and
whole
foods.
C
It
has
much
more
of
an
impact
on
the
economy
to
buy
local
products.
So
did
that
answer
your
question?
It.
A
Does
I
mean,
but
it
also
starts
to
get
into
some
of
the
work
that
you've
done,
and
I
wanted
to
touch
make
sure
we
touch
on
this,
about
the
issues
of
food
insecurity
and-
and
I
was
wondering
if
you
could
share
with
folks
some
of
the
work
that
you
and
chris
and
our
team
have
helped
put
together
with
that's
identifying
kind
of
food
insecurity.
And
what
that
challenge
is.
C
Yeah
yeah
local
food
is,
I
think,
a
lot
of
people
mistake
local
food
for
more
expensive
food,
because
there
are
like
some
of
the
boutique
farms.
You
know
get
certified
organic
restaurants
really
make
their
money.
That's
a
high-end
product.
They
have
customers
that
will
pay
the
money,
but
there
are
a
lot
of
farms
that
are
just
farms.
C
Growing
food
they've
been
doing
it
for
years
and
they're
less
expensive
than
even
grocery
source.
So
you
can
get
really
good
food
for
good
prices
when
you
buy
local
food,
so
the
what
was
it?
The
trend
of
local.
C
Totally
losing
track-
I
haven't
had
all
my
coffee
this
morning,
yet
so
so.
Food
insecurity
is,
is
not
a
funny
topic,
though.
Here
in
the
city
of
pittsburgh,
we
have
over
63
000
people
who
don't
have
food
to
eat,
and
food
insecurity
is
the
lack
of
access
to
adequate
amounts
of
healthy
food
to
lead
an
active
life
and
63
000
of
our
fellow
pittsburghers.
Don't
have
that,
and
so
it's
for
various
reasons.
It's
not
just
that.
C
There's
not
a
grocery
store,
but
I
think
a
lot
of
people
think
that's
the
solution
to
a
food
desert
a
grocery
store
in,
but
it's
a
lot
of
other
things.
It's.
It
includes
like
not
having
enough
money
to
buy
food
or
if,
if
you
do
have
the
money
and
the
access
to
the
food
you
can
you
can
find
it.
You
know
what
to
do
with
you.
Do
people
know
what
to
do
with
it?
We've
had
generations
of
people
without
fresh
food
access
generations,
they've
lost
that
knowledge.
C
Maybe
they
don't
have
clean
water
to
be
able
to
wash
the
produce.
Maybe
they
don't
have
a
pan
or
a
stove
to
cook
on?
Maybe
they
don't
have
a
refrigerator
for
the
produce
to
not
go
bad
quickly,
so
there
are
all
those
reasons
and
then
our
unstable
food
system,
as
we
just
saw
in
the
last
four
months.
So
all
those
things
add
up
to
food
insecurity
and
with
the
work
that
we've
done,
we
mapped
out
all
these
different
factors.
C
C
Right
sorry,
yeah
21
of
the
population,
so
one
in
five
people
is
food,
insecure
in
the
city
of
pittsburgh
and
in
some
areas
it's
even
higher
than
that.
So
we
wanted
to
find
out
where
those
most
affected
areas
are.
And
then
you
use
our
resources
to
be
able
to
help
those
particular
areas
and
we're
calling
them
healthy
food
priority
areas.
A
C
Totally
know
they're
like
you
go
for
it,
but
they
do
some
really
great
work
with
johns
hopkins
over
there
in
baltimore,
and
so
some
of
their
methodology
was
just
really
great,
and
I
thought
we
need
to
know
this.
We
need
to
look
at
this
and
we
need
to
do
something
about
it.
So
that's
that's
the
start
of
it
was
the
feed
pittsburgh
report
and
hopefully,
by
like
looking
at
this,
we're
getting
getting
together
a
focus
group
right
now
of
residents
to
talk
about
the
problem
and
find
the
solution
so.
A
Yeah,
maybe
dive
into
that.
We
got
a
few
more
minutes
left.
But
maybe
if
you
could
share
about
kind
of
that,
engagement
with
the
watson
fellowship
right
about
kind
of
what
the
what
the
fellows
will
be
working
on-
and
you
know
basically
kind
of
what
they're
gonna
be
up
to
this
summer.
C
Yeah,
so
the
watson
foundation
was
going
to
send
us
an
intern
this
summer,
one
two.
They
were
going
to
pay
this
person
to
come
from
new
york
city
and
live
here
in
pittsburgh
and
work
in
sustainability
and
resilience
doing
food
policy
stuff.
And
then,
when
everything
shut
down
and
nobody
could
leave
new
york,
they
decided
to
do
more
project
work
and
do
it
in
teams.
C
So
we
ended
up
getting
we're
so
fortunate.
We
have
a
team
of
five
ethan
ethan
alyssa,
anna
and
yvonne
wow
and
jackie
is
managing
them
and
they
are
going
to
be
working
on
community
outreach
for
us.
C
They
are.
We've
convened
a
group
of
residents
from
three
of
the
sort
of
clustered
neighborhood
areas:
the
homewood
areas,
the
homewood
neighborhoods,
the
hill
district
neighborhoods
and
the
north
side.
So
charles
street
valley,
parry,
south
and
they're
going
to
be
interviewing
these
residents
to
find
out
how
they
are.
They
are
all
people
who
are
working
in
the
area
of
food
access
and
helping
people
to
be
able
to
get
enough
food
and
so
they're
gonna.
The
fellows
will
be
interviewing
people
and
finding
out
what
those
solutions
are.
C
What
the
coping
mechanisms
are
right
now
that
communities
are
doing
to
deal
with
the
their
level
of
food
insecurity,
and
hopefully,
we'll
then
have.
I
will
compile
a
list
of
best
practices
around
pittsburgh,
because
every
city
is
different
and
what
works
in
baltimore.
C
What
works
in
los
angeles
might
not
work
here
in
pittsburgh,
so,
and-
and
I
also
believe
that,
like
the
mayor
has
said
this
too,
like
the
solutions
are
in
the
community
and
we
need
to
uncover
them
and
raise
them
up,
we
need
to
lift
them
up
and
provide
them
the
resources
that
they
need,
so
that
they
can
make
that
a
more
complete
solution.
A
Yeah
the
call
that
we
had
the
other
night,
I
thought
was
just
really
really
great
from
the
standpoint
of
one
seeing
kind
of
the
students
and
their
interest
and
just
being
really
engaged
and
being
thoughtful
about
the
topic,
but
also
like
the
community
members
just
hearing
their
stories
in
terms
of
kind
of
their
the
work
that
they're
doing
on
the
ground.
A
In
terms
of
kind
of
this
urban
agricultural,
you
know
effectively
like
what's
a
movement
that
is
really
starting
to
shape
up,
but
also
kind
of
the
resourcefulness,
I
think
is-
is
really
kind
of
a
a
great
thing
to
capture.
B
A
The
last
couple
minutes
here
I
you
know
wanna
just
to
maybe
finish
out
the
food
insecurity
topic.
I
mean
what
are
some
of
the
things
that
you
see
is
opportunities
that
we
have
to
address
that
issue.
I
mean
they're
like
one
or
two
things
that
they're
kind
of
top
of
mind
for
you
in
helping
to
effectively
reduce
this
one-fifth
of
the
population,
reduce
that
number
or
eradicate
that
number
of
food
insecurity.
C
B
C
You
know
developing
a
local
food
hub
that
helps
to
support
all
of
the
local
growers
to
be
able
to
distribute
the
products
and
really
stuff
that
would
provide
food
for
people
that
would
provide
education
and
job
training
and
potentially
jobs
for
people
very
very
locally.
So
having
that
be
like
a
city-wide
food
hub
kind
of
thing
is
a
is
a
really
great
solution
in
in
my
mind,
but
is
that
what
the
community
wants
is
that
what
the
community
is
ready
for?
Is
that
what
the
community
thinks
is
the
solution?
C
And-
and
there
are
things
like
I
said-
there's
there
are
things
that
are
happening
now
that
we
aren't
privy
to
because
they're
happening
on
such
a
you
know
ground
level
and
that's
what
we're
hoping
to
sort
of
uncover
and
find
out.
For
example,
I
heard
somebody
was
saying
that
their
church
had
a
farmer's
market
after
services.
A
C
Leaving
there's
food
excellent,
so
that
sort
of
thing
I
I
hadn't
thought
of
before
maybe
other
communities
hadn't
thought
of
before
and
that's
a
tool
in
the
toolbox
that
we
offer
to
people
and
how
do
we?
How
do
we
support
that
effort?
C
Well,
maybe
there's
some
sort
of
collective
buying
if
we
need
to
buy
from
a
local
farm
and
have
it
shipped
shipped
in
or
if
we
need
to
buy
from
a
distributor,
because
it's
I
can't
get
it
from
a
local
farm,
so
buying
in
bulk
is
always
better
and
to
be
able
to
have
it
delivered.
You
can't
have
small
quantities
delivered.
C
That's
why
the
healthy
corner
stores
have
such
a
problem
carrying
small
quantities
of
produce
because
it
doesn't
sell
they
get
stuck
with
it,
and
then
they
have
to
get
more
too
much
another
shipment
of
too
much.
So
if
we
can
help
to
consolidate
or
somehow
even
even
making
those
connections
and
facilitating
that
interaction
between
the
entities
that
want
to
do
this,
that
could
be
something
that
the
city
can
do.
A
So
really
helping
with
the
distribution
and
kind
of
aggregation
issues
do
just
maybe
to
kind
of
finish
up
here.
I
guess
for
both
of
you.
What
are
I
got
two
two
questions
here.
One
is
what
are
some
good
resources
to
share
with
folks
in
terms
of
either
things
that
you're
listening
to
or
reading
on,
the
topic
of
food,
and
particularly
in
this
space
of
like
urban
agriculture,
I
mean:
are
there
things
that
you
would
recommend
either
rebecca
or
shelly.
B
C
Ahead,
charlie
gosh,
I'm
trying
to
think
I've.
I've
just
been
reading
other
things
to
sort
of
entertain.
My
brain
and
and
podcasts
are
now
my
favorite
thing.
B
C
B
C
It's
it's
gotten
a
little
paused,
but
it's
it's
it's
on
its
way.
There's
a
podcast
called
food
actually
by
tamar
adler,
and
she
is
fantastic.
It
explains
the
food
system
in
like
12
episodes
almost
as
good
as
there's
a
food
studies.
C
Fantastic.
It's
really
great.
Another
thing
that
I'm
reading
right
now
is
a
book
called,
so
you
want
to
talk
about
race,
okay
and
that's
really
great,
I'm.
I
can't
remember
the
author's
name.
A
B
I
don't
know
well
since
I've
been
perusing
netflix
for
for
food
documentaries.
I
do
have
a
really
good
book.
That's
called
the
resilient
farm
in
homestead
and
it
goes
into
like
permaculture
design,
so
that
you're,
you
know
putting
the
plants
that
need
the
most
tending
to
closest
to
your
house,
and
then
you
kind
of
progressively
get
like
the
perennials
and
the
other
things
that
don't
really
need
to
be
watered.
You
know
further
further
outside,
so
that
book
was
pretty
good,
but
yeah.
A
A
C
Sorry
about
this,
it's
called
hit
by
a
farm.
I
read
that
a
long
time
ago.
I
just
for
some
reason.
I
was
reminded
of
it
and
it's
about
this
guy
who
wants
to.
He
decides
he
wants
to
buy
a
farm
and
he
goes
maybe
it's
a
woman.
I
can't
remember
now.
I
read
a
long
time
ago
anyway,
but
yeah
they
go
out
and
start
to
have
a
farm
and
the
adventures
of
farming
and
there's
sheep's
there
rebecca
so
you'd
like
that.
Nice.
B
A
I
I
think
well,
if,
if
the
dog
is
a
precursor,
neither
islet
or
marley
would
do
a
good
job
of
taking
care
of
them,
so
that
would
fall
on
probably
my
shoulders
and
amy's
shoulders,
so
we're
up
for
taking
care
of
the
chickens.
We've
talked
about
it,
so
it
might
happen.
That's
why
I
was
asking
the
questions.
C
Can
I
make
some
pre-chicken
recommendations,
some
thought
processes,
yeah
figure
out
what
your
goal
is
with
having
chickens?
Is
it
to
have
a
cute
pet,
or
is
it
to
be
sustained
sustainable
in
your
food
system
like
if
you
want
to
you
know,
if
you're
having
them
for
food,
that's
a
whole
different
thing
than
if
you're
having
them
for
a
pet.
C
A
C
C
When
people
go
out
and
spend
like
three
hundred
dollars
to
have
their
chicken
crop,
their
chickens,
crop
drained
and
yeah,
I'm
just
like
okay.
What
does
that
do
if
you've
got
sauerkraut
like
if
a
chicken
gets
a
sour
crop,
then
it's
just
like
it's
essentially
like
because
they
don't
they
don't
chew.
So
they
have.
You
know
this
rebecca,
but
for
the
rest
of
everybody
out
there,
so
they
they
get
the
food
and
the
grit
in
their
crop
and
the
crop
sort
of
like
smooshes
it
around
and
breaks
it
down.
C
C
A
Sorry
so
so
I
just
want
to
thank
you
shelly.
Thank
you.
Rebecca
covered
a
lot
of
ground
today
in
terms
of
our
urban
agriculture
system,
a
lot
of
good
information
on
chickens
and
farmers,
markets
and
food
insecurity.