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From YouTube: Design Review Board February 21, 2023
Description
Design Review Board
February 21, 2023
6:30 PM
Call to Order
Minutes
Old Business:
none
New Business:
1) Election of Officers
2) Application CERD23-001032: Applicant William Dalzell requests approval to construct new single family dwellings at 1205 Park Ave. SE, 1209 Park Ave. SE, and 231 Berkley St. SE (TMP 121-11-19-001, 121-11-19-002, and 121-11-19-008).
3) Application CERH23-021: Applicant Samuel and Anne Clemens request approval to remove a chimney at 930 Grace Ave. SE to allow for the addition of a master suite and bathroom (TMP 121-10-18-002).
4) Executive Session
5) Discussion and possible action on a maintenance plan for Hotel Aiken.
Adjournment
A
Again
our
meeting
of
the
designer
View
Board
here
for
the
month
of
February-
and
we
appreciate
you,
all's
attendance
and
and
your
your
involvement
in
this
process
and
in
which
the
we're
all
volunteer,
review
board
members
and
but
we
attempt
to
assist
Property
Owners
with
historic
properties
and
overlay
District
properties
and
making
improvements
that
are
that
are
primarily
viewed
from
the
public
right
away.
And
so
we
have
a
process.
We
do
that
and
we'll.
A
A
If
you
guys
could
review
minutes
for
January
19th,
we
actually
have
three
three
sets
of
minutes.
I
believe
for
the
19th
special
called
work
session,
which
was
a
site
visit.
A
A
B
The
regular
meeting
agenda
on
page
five,
the
toward
the
bottom,
the
motion
that
Mr
McMichael
made
concerning
Miss
Knowles
application
for
special
tax
assessment.
C
B
Item
one,
there
was
a
clerical
era
in
that
which
we've
corrected
in
these
minutes
concerning
the
incurring
minimum
expenditures.
The
way
it
was
worded
initially
was
they
had
to
already
have
incurred
those
initial
expenses.
A
preliminary
excuse
me
those
minimum
expenditures,
but
that
really
is
done
at
the
end
of
the
project
yeah.
So
we
changed
have
been
incurred
to
will.
A
A
A
Okay
minutes
are
approved,
then
one
other
bit
of
business
is
the
election
of
officers,
and
so
now,
we'll
open
nominations
for
chair
Mr.
A
Okay,
then,
we'll
we
have
a
second
motion.
Second,
okay,
we'll
go
ahead
and
vote
I
think
we
can
probably
vote
you.
A
At
a
time
all
in
favor
of
electing
McDonough
law
to
chair
again,
the
design
view
board
for
the
2023
year
as
you're
right
in
okay,
looks
like
I'm
elected.
A
Now
Vice
chair
do
we
have
nominations.
A
Hearing
Nunn
will
close
the
nominations
and
all
in
favor
of
electing
John
McMichael
for
vice
chair
raise
your
right
hand.
A
D
Make
a
motion
that
we
have
Rebecca
Seymour
as
our
secretary
okay
for
the
drb?
Okay.
D
D
You
get
yeah,
okay,
I,
guess
a
matter
of
order.
If
we
had
any
word
from
city
council
when
they're
going
to
appoint
the
two
absent
positions
that
we
have.
B
D
Yeah,
it's
a
possibility,
but
we've
been
we've
had
one
position
open
since
I
believe
October
all
right.
A
Okay,
all
right,
thank
you,
I
think
we
can
now
proceed
into
the
new
business
yeah.
A
Map
personal
I
think
we
can
stop.
Thank
you.
I
just
wanted
to
get
that
on
the
record.
That
is
I
believe
that
now,
since
we're
not
really
going
to
consider
it
at
this
meeting,
we
were
talking
about
continuing
this
to
next
month.
Is
that
correct?
In
our
work
session.
A
D
Oh,
thank
you.
Rebecca
yeah
I'll
make
a
motion
that
that
we
continue.
The
item.
Number
cerd,
23-001032.
B
Mr
chairman,
if,
if
I
may,
if
the
motion
is
to
continue
it
and
for
the
purposes
indicated,
the
next
meeting
is
Right,
Upon,
Us,
March,
7th
I,
don't
know
if
you
want
to
identify
a
meeting
to
which
is
continued.
For
example,
the
April
meeting.
D
E
We
can
we
continue
it
until
he
gets
the
paperwork
complete
I.
B
Would
suggest
that
something
along
those
lines
that
the
motion
be
restated
to
be
it's
contingent
until
the
applicant
provides
a
complete
application
package?
Okay,.
A
Okay
motion;
second,
mending
that
application
all
in
favor
of
the
motion
to
continue
this
until
adequate
information
is
provided
to
stay
up,
raise
your
right
hand,
okay,.
D
So
he
was
good
and
just
as
an
aside,
not
necessarily
to
be
in
the
motion,
but
he
had
to
get
another
engineer,
another
site
engineer
to
to
work
it
up
for
him
and
that's
going
to
take
some
time
to
get
on
the
schedule
to
do
that.
So
right.
A
And
he's
maybe
going
to
have
a
improved,
much
improved
site
plan,
yeah.
Okay,
we
have
on
our
agenda
executive
session.
If
you,
if
someone
feels
the
need
to
do
that,
I'm,
not
sure
Mr.
B
A
Sorry
Rebecca
go
ahead
and
reduce
that
application.
G
G
G
Resource
survey
lists
the
building
construction
date
as
1931,
while
the
county
records
list
the
construction
date
as
1937..
This
parcel
has
had
an
address
change
from
426
Orangeburg
Street
Southeast
to
930
Grace,
Avenue,
Southeast
and
2021.
So
that's
why
the
historic
resource
survey
records
record
this
parcel
as
being
426,
Orangeburg
Street.
G
Applicant
is
requesting
to
demolish
the
chimney
from
the
roof
to
the
foundation
in
order
to
make
their
their
additions
and
the
applicant
cites
that
the
proposed
removal
of
the
chimney
is
appropriate
because
the
chimney
is
not
original
to
the
construction
of
the
house.
The
applicant
estimates
that
it
was
added
in
the
1970s.
H
H
The
portion
below
the
roof
line.
Half
of
it
was
original
to
the
house.
It
was
part
of
a
potbelly
stove.
If
you
look
at
the
picture,
that's
the
portion
on
the
left.
The
portion
on
the
right
was
added.
We
estimate
in
the
70s
as
a
utility
chimney
and
then
once
they
did,
that
they
from
the
roof
line
up.
It's
complete
brand
new
structure.
The
brick
is
more
modern,
brick,
it's
not
original
to
the
to
the
the
era,
or
was
it
when
it
was
originally
constructed.
H
We
removed
a
boiler
system
which
fed
11
radiators
in
the
house
and
put
in
a
modern
HVAC
system
forced
air,
and
we
got
rid
of
the
gas
hot
water
heater
that
was
in
the
utility
room
as
well,
so
we
no
longer
need
the
exhaust
through
that
chimney
and
we're
going
to
utilize
that
space,
which
was
a
utility
area
behind
the
kitchen
as
part
of
a
bathroom.
That's
going
to
be
part
of
a
master
ensuite
as
a
mother-in-law
Suite
to
the
house.
We
are
not
adding
or
changing
the
footprint
of
the
house.
H
We
are
just
utilizing
a
what
was
like
a
mud
room,
slash
utility
room
and
the
utility
area
where
the
boiler
was
located
to
make
the
new
space
right.
E
Mr
sleep
man
you're
this
chimney,
you're,
removing
I,
understand
you
want
to
make
a
bathroom
that
area,
but
you're
not
requesting
any
changes
to
Windows
or
doors
or
anything
like
that.
No.
H
We
we
contacted
Mary
last
spring
and
talked
about
changing
the
color
of
the
house,
and
she
said
if
we
stayed
within
the
Benjamin
Moore
historical
palette.
We
didn't
need
to
go
before
the
board
for
that
and
we
did
paint
the
house.
It
was
like
a
butter
yellow
and
now
it's
a
beigish
pink
with
green
trim.
That
was
original
it
had
we
kept
the
green
trim.
So
now
it's
pink
and
green
instead
of
yellow
and
green.
H
No
we're
not
trying
to
change
eventually
we're
going
to
ask
to
change
the
windows
because
they
are
lawfully
unsafe
it.
There
were
windows
that
were
put
in.
We
estimate
in
the
70s
there's
a
key
for
every
single
lock
on
every
single
window
and
the
key
has
to
be
present
in
the
lock
for
the
window
to
open.
They
are
a
hazard
and
they're,
just
not
something
we're
going
to
address
at
this
time,
probably
in
the
next
year
or
two
we're
going
to
replace
them
with
Anderson.
H
Well,
we're
going
to
request
to
replace
them
with
you
know
a
wooden
Anderson
series,
400
window,
like
we
did
on
Ray
Lane
that
you
guys
approved.
We
just
not
doing
it
yet
at
this
time,
but
no
other
changes
to
the
exterior
it's
just
except
for
the
chimney
being
removed
and
then
we'll
just
replace
the
shingles
and
the
other.
One
thing
that
we're
going
to
do,
which
we
didn't
need
permission
for,
because
it's
going
to
be
similar,
is
behind
I,
believe
there's
a
picture.
H
E
H
Believe
so
and
we're
gonna,
you
know
we
think
a
standing
seam
roof
is
a
lot
nicer.
Looking
it's
it's
a
small
area,
but
it's
that
was
actually
a
doghouse,
believe
it
or
not:
okay,
where
they
kept
the
hounds.
H
D
H
It
fairly
good
shape,
it's
cinder
block
construction,
so
I
said
the
roof,
the
roof's
in
bad
shape.
But
you
know
we'll
we'll
address
that
when
we,
when
we
fix
it,
it's
got
two
by
four
Rafters,
which
you
know
will
get
rid
of
those
and
put
in
two
by
Eights
for
the
new
roof,
because
we
don't
want
to
deal
with
snow
load
issues
in
the
future
or
ice.
H
They're
in
in
really
good
shape,
I
was
probably
they
were
probably
done
in
between
the
health.
This
is
the
third
owner
of
the
house,
I
believe.
In
three
years
the
house
was
sold
by
a
couple
to
an
individual
gentleman
who
had
it
for
about
a
year
and
then
sold
it
to
the
Clements.
H
H
From
an
outside
perspective,
yeah,
yes,
sir
I
mean
we're
doing
some
work
inside
we're
remodeling
the
kitchen,
but
we're
you
know
they
had
beautiful
beadboard
tongue
and
groove
walls
and
ceilings
which
we
uncovered.
When
we
strip
the
sheetrock
and
we're
going
to
restore
that
and
we're
gonna,
you
know
have
some
more
milled
out
of
West
Columbia
great,
so
it's
gonna
be
a
really
cute.
Cottage
I
mean
we're
we're
really.
This
couple
is
in
their
intent
is
to
to
keep
it.
You
know
a
cottage
in
an
a
quaint,
little
cottage
downtown
kind.
H
Nicer,
actually,
we,
when
we
did
on,
took
out
the
sheetrock
off
we've.
We
discovered
all
the
soot
on
the
walls
from
the
potbelly
stove
which
we're
gonna
have
to
clean,
so
we
can
paint
okay.
A
I
H
And
Orangeburg.
C
H
A
J
Who
is
ronaldini,
638,
Magnolia
and
I
would
like
to
speak
in.
Support
of
the
project
sounds
great,
but
I'm
also
here
to
talk
about
procedures
for
this
project
and
other
projects,
I'm
glad
to
hear
John's
recommendation
or
request
request
for
a
review
of
design
review
board
procedures
because
I
think
they're
urgently
needed.
J
In
particular,
you
know
the
past.
Behavior
of
this
board
has
been
well
below
par
and
I
must
say,
I'm,
shocked
and
saddened
that
this
board
has
failed
to
take
responsibility
again
in
appointing
McDonough
law
as
chairman,
since
he
was
integral
in
some
of
those
failures,
and
we
have
no
objection
to
Mr
law.
Personally,
he's
been
a
great
contributor
to
many
projects
in
the
city
and
contributed
a
lot
of
his
own
personal
time
to
these
matters,
but
I
think
actions
have
consequences
and
Mr
laws.
J
Actions
in
the
recent
year
after
many
years
of
of
faithful
service
to
the
city
were
exactly
what
is
not
expected
of
a
historical
preservation
Commission
in
approving
what
we
think
is
illegally
and
detailed
in
great
detail
in
our
lawsuit,
violating
just
about
every
statute
applicable
to
the
hotel,
Aiken
and
the
pascalis
project.
I.
Think
the
members
of
the
board
need
to
discuss
among
themselves.
J
J
Appointment
is
invalid,
because
the
only
thing
the
council
disclosed
to
the
public
were
the
positive
aspects
of
Mr
Law's
record
and
not
the
negative
aspects.
So
you
just
congratulations
elected
a
chairman
who
may
not
be
eligible
to
serve
on
this
board
or
may
not
be
properly
Seated
on
this
board.
As
a
result
of
that,
your
own
notice
of
this
meeting
may
not
be
valid.
The
record
of
this
meeting
may
not
be
valid
and
you
may
be
doing
yet
another
disservice
to
the
members
who.
A
A
B
B
B
Their
actions
are
valid
under
South
Carolina
law
for
the
long
as
long
as
they
serve
unless,
for
some
reason
a
court
takes
action
on
it,
so
anything
that
any
votes,
any
actions
on
any
certificates
of
appropriateness
are
by
law
valid,
despite
your
representations
and
those
representations
also
involve
a
lawsuit
which
this
board,
of
course,
is
a
defended
in
and
they're,
not
a
position
to
argue
about
that,
because
they
are
defendants
and
I
say
that
with
respect.
J
B
J
Fine,
it's
to
be
determined
by
law,
whether
that
appointment
is
valid
and
those
votes
are
valid
in
general.
I
would
also
argue
that,
because
of
the
Freedom
of
Information
Act
violations
of
the
public
not
being
informed
those
actions
do
get
invalidated
because
of
the
failures
under
the
Freedom
of
Information
Act.
For
the
public
to
be
informed.
A
Sir,
any
other
comments
about
the
chimney
replacement.
We
do
have
some
fairly
strict
criteria
on
on
Chimneys
in
our
guidelines,
primarily
for
chimneys,
that
are
original
chimneys
because
they
often
help
help
to
identify
the
age.
The
era
and
the
architecture
and
a
lot
of
them
are
fairly
ornate
and
yours
doesn't
quite
qualify
as
original.
So
I
I
would
like
to
say
that
you
know
before
we
we
vote.
If
there
are
no
other
comments
from
the
public,
though
we'll
go
ahead
and
and
have
a
motion,
and
then
we
can
have
some
discussion
if
need
be.
Mr.
E
E
And
also
excuse
me
also
that
we
are
okay
with
replacing
the
the
metal
roof
as
specified
in
the
plan
and
I
don't
have
the
reference,
but
that's
that's
a
light
kind
replacement
of
the
roof
metal
roof
metal
roof.
So
you
find
it
within
like
kind
yeah.
A
A
Motion
second,
any
discussion:
okay,
all
in
favor
of
the
application,
as
submitted
for
the
chimney.
F
D
A
Now,
back
to
where
we
were
a
while
ago,
I
think
we
we
maybe
some
of
you
heard
in
the
work
session
discussion
about
our
maintenance
plan.
There
is
a
fairly
detailed
maintenance.
F
A
Copies
of
that-
and
maybe
some
of
you
helped
to
to
develop
it
it.
It
sounds
like
that
the
Sabine
is
here
representing
the
owner
Sabina.
Would
you
like
to
to
to
come
forward
and
then
I
believe
we'll
we'll
kind.
A
Well,
I'm,
not
sure
if
you
feel
like
we
need
to
have
it,
we
can
have
it
right.
We
really
are
probably
going
to
end
up
continuing
this
too.
Don't
you
think,
but
yet
we
need
to
find
out.
Why
we're
we
might
continue
it.
We
still
have
room
to
do
an
exact
session
if
you're
like,
why
don't
we
get
hurt?
We.
B
A
Yeah,
just
yeah
come
to
the
lectern
and
and
give
your
name
and
address
and
and
then
we
might
City.
F
Good
evening
my
name
is
Sabina
Craig
821,
Rutledge
Road
Southwest
here
at
Aiken
I
am
the
development
project
manager
with
the
economic
development
for
the
city.
Yeah
I
am
going
to
call
Tim
O'brien,
who
spoke
earlier
in
the
work
session,
and
he
will
speak
on
the
telephone
to
address
you
all.
Okay,.
B
A
Thank
you
Tim.
If,
if
you
would
I
think
you
can
briefly
review
the
information
that
you
presented
to
the
drb
in
the
work
session
regarding
consultants
and
the
time
frame
to
come
back
to
to
the
drb,
would
you
do
that?
We'd,
like
something
for
the
record.
K
First
of
all,
I
just
want
to
say
to
the
board
and
the
the
members
of
the
public
president
present
I'm.
K
Sorry
I
couldn't
be
there
in
person
that
did
have
some
urgent
family
medical
issue
that
I'm
a
primary
caregiver
and
I
had
to
tend
to
so
I
apologize
for
that
no
disrespect
intended,
but
on
the
issue
at
hand,
the
just
an
update
as
I
shared
in
the
work
session,
that
at
the
last
meeting
of
Aitkin
city
council
second
reading,
second
and
final
reading
was
approved,
of
changes
to
chapter
11
of
city
code,
which
established
the
Aiken
Municipal
development.
Commission.
K
K
That
is
an
initial
step
towards
transferring
the
properties
currently
held
by
the
amdc
to
the
city
of
Aitkin
proper,
and
then
a
later
determination
will
be
made
about
the
future
of
the
amdc
and
whether
it
continues
as
an
organization
or
whether
it
is
dissolved.
Some
of
that
has
to
do
with
the
fact
that
the
amdc
is
named
in
the
earlier
referenced.
K
Lawsuit
I
am
watching
your
meeting
here
remotely
so
there's
that
bit
of
news.
So
now
the
the
directives
and
the
work
that
the
drb
has
done
regarding
maintenance
of
the
hotel,
Aiken
and
those
properties
falls
directly
with
the
city
and
the
city
council,
currently
as
the
amdc.
K
So
in
my
capacity
as
economic
development,
director
and
Sabina,
as
our
development
project
manager,
we've
been
working
with
and
Sabine
has
updated
you
previously
on
some
of
the
work
along
and
along
as
we've
worked
to
secure
the
roof
and
limit
the
water
intrusion.
But
over
the
last
several
weeks
we
have
been
working
with
a
group
of
Architects
and
historic
preservation,
experts
and
Engineers,
including
Craig
Bennett,
who
came
highly
recommended,
and
it
was
a
pleasure
to
meet
the
gentleman
we
we
did.
K
A
top
to
bottom
stem
to
stern
review
of
the
hotel
with
him.
Glenn
keys
out
of
Charleston
is
a
historic
preservation
consultant
as
well
and
he's
involved
in
the
team
and
I
expect
this
week.
Actually
they
were
putting
the
finishing
touches
on
it
today.
A
proposal
from
that
Architecture
Firm
for
the
city
and
city
council
to
consider
so
that
we
will
have
an
Architecture,
Firm
kind
of
establishing
the
short-term
near-term
goals
and
objectives
in
the
long-term
needs
of
the
hotel
to
preserve
it.
K
They're
going
to
provide
several
options
at
our
request.
The
first
option
would
be
purely
to
stabilize
the
building
work
with
some
of
the
the
fenestration
there
on
the
exterior
of
the
building
which
could
be
encapsulation
could
be.
Removal
could
be
all
the
way
up
to
repair
and
then
the
roof
is
a
high
priority
and
there's
some
other
cosmetic
issues
along
the
exterior
that
they're
looking
at
as
well.
K
So
that
would
be
the
base
level
plan
and
then
they're,
offering
some
additional
options
whereby
we'd
like
to
work
with
the
drb
to
look
at
possibilities,
doing
additional
work
which
might
prepare
the
building
and
make
it
more
attractive
to
people
working
with
ideas
of
future
adaptive.
Reuse
of
that
building
to
include
the
improving
the
footings
which
are
insufficient
structurally
for
the
hotel
and
the
envelope.
The
masonry
envelope
of
the
building
is
not
currently
up
to
seismic
code.
It's
not
attached
to
the
interior.
K
Wood
frame
as
code
would
require
so
perhaps
looking
at
what
it
would
take
to
do
some
of
that.
But
so
there
will
be
a
number
of
options
and-
and
that
will
be
available,
as
we
discussed
in
the
work
session.
I
expect
to
bring
that
back
at
the
March
7th
meeting
and
I
believe
that
if
those
proposals
are
reasonably
within
budget
and
attractive
to
the
city,
that
those
experts
would
be
available
for
the
next
drb
meeting
to
make
a
presentation
of
their
scope
and
plan
of
work
for
the
building.
A
A
K
Correct
and
and
I
hope
to
have
by
that
meeting
of
the
seventh
you
know,
pending
the
acceptance
of
these
proposals
and
the
engagement
of
these
professionals,
kind
of
a
schedule
moving
forward
that
we
can
bring
to
the
drb
and
discuss
the
plan
of
attack
for
the
building.
L
Are
there
as
far
as
the
money
approvals
does,
that
have
to
go
through
Council
or
who
accepts
the
proposal
and
says
yeah
we're
going
to
spend
this
money?
I!
Guess
it's
my
trying
to
figure
out
a
time
frame
on
that.
K
These
engagements
would
be
by
well
actually
I
can't
say
that
definitively
because,
as
I
said,
the
amdc
is
still
the
owners
of
the
property.
Even
though
that
body
is
now
governed
by
city
council,
it
is
a
separate
body
that
operates
under
separate
rules
and
we're
we're
in
the
process
of
the
property
being
transferred
from
one
to
the
other.
K
D
Thank
you,
Tim
Yeah
Tim,
didn't
you
say
in
the
last
meeting
that
we
had
that
that
process
of
transfer
of
title
and
and
to
the
city
would
take
place
mid
to
late
March.
K
It
could
take
place
in
mid
to
late
March.
Now,
of
course,
I
can't
speak
to
what
the
actual
action
will
be.
K
The
the
city
council
could
determine
to
move
forward
with
the
with
the
buildings
remaining
under
amdc
ownership,
but
I
anticipate
in
everything
that
I've
heard
from
councils
that
they
do
intend
to
transfer
to
City
proper,
but
as
Council
Jim
Holly
will
tell
you,
it's
not
a
good
idea
to
predict
the
actions
of
a
political
body,
we'll
see
what
they
do
and
and
either
way
we
have
the
responsibility
of
maintaining
the
buildings.
E
Tim,
this
has
been
a
lot
one
question
in
the
work
session.
You
mentioned
something
about
the
consultant
made
a
comment
about
not
being
overly
concerned
about
water
infiltration.
At
this
point,.
I
K
Yes,
Craig
Bennett,
who
actually
was
recommended
by
the
do
it
right
coalition
to
us
and
is
very
knowledgeable
his
con.
His
only
concern
he
said
as
we
walk
the
building.
K
He
did
point
out
that
for
a
120
year
old
building
that
the
interior
structure
is
is
very,
very
stable,
it
doesn't
Creak,
it
doesn't
the
floors,
don't
bounce
and
he
compared
it
to
other
local
buildings
where
that's
not
the
case,
and
he
said
that
he
had
no
concern
that
the
Timbers
and
the
framing
or
the
general
structure
of
that
building
is
at
any
risk.
The
only
thing
that
that
suffers
in
his
opinion
would
be
flooring,
none
of
which
is
original.
K
So
you
know
kind
of
you
might
not
want
to
walk
around
on
the
plywood
because
there
might
be
soft
spots,
but
all
that's
going
to
come
out
anyway.
If
there
were
to
be
a
renovation
or
a
historic
adaptive,
release
of
the
building,
and
then
there
is
some
some
plaster
and
wall
board
that
might
be
damaged
and
similarly
that's
all
going
to
be
removed
anyway.
But
as
far
as
the
basic
masonry
structure
and
the
huge
Timbers
that
are
in
there,
he
said
there
wasn't
any
concern.
D
K
The
commission
is
is
a
child
of
the
city,
okay,
I.
D
A
Okay,
if
there
are
no
no
other
questions,
we'll
let
Tim
get
back
to
his
family,
and
we
appreciate
your
being
available
on
over
the
phone,
Tim
and
and
also
thank
you
now,
I
think
it.
It
sounds
like
that
this
we're
accepting
this
potential
maintenance
plan
as
information
and
and
you
all
are
of
course
welcome
to
comment
on
it
anytime,.
D
A
E
Don't
feel
like
we
need
to
go
through
the
lists
again.
I,
don't
think
it's
changed
substantially
since
the
last
time
we
looked
at
it,
I
am
frustrated
by
the
fact
that
that
not
much
progress
is
being
made
on
it,
but
in
light
of
the
fact
that
we're
going
to
get
some
real
professional
advice,
pretty
quick
grand
scheme
of
things
a
few
weeks
is
nothing
compared
to
the
amount
of
time
we've
been
waiting
already.
E
A
A
It'll
be
probably
a
work
session,
don't
know
that
we'll
have
a,
we
will
have
an
opportunity
to
have
Publican,
but
we'll
have
some
right
now,
probably,
but
the
I
think
we'll
probably
need
to
look
at
the
time
we
said
5
30.
We
we're
anticipating,
5
36
30.
We
need
to
make
it
4
30
to
6
30.
D
D
A
Yeah
yeah,
but
we
won't
right
now,
we'll
we
don't
I'm
gonna
I,
think
we
could.
We've
got
people
here
who,
if
they
want
to
comment
on
the
maintenance
plan
we
have
in
place,
I,
don't
know
we'll
have
to
decide.
If
this
other
one
is
a
work
session.
A
You
know
we
probably
need
a
work
session
before
we
have
a
vote
on
that
one
when
we
have
a
vote,
but
right
now,
I'd
I'd
just
soon
go
ahead.
If
y'all
are
in
agreement,
we
might
want
to
allow
people
to
comment
on
on
this,
and
this
is
posted
publicly.
The
maintenance
plan.
A
Speak
regarding
the
what
we,
what
we're,
considering
as
far
as
the
approach
and
I'll,
let
you
come
forward
and
give
your
name
and
I
know
who
you
are,
but
for
the
record.
C
Hi
Linda
Johnson,
515,
Parkside
Drive
first
I
want
to
thank
the
city
for
finally
being
able
to
address
the
hotel
and
Mr
O'brien
for
bringing
in
the
right
experts
to
look
at
it.
That's
very
exciting.
C
He
mentioned
the
idea
of
two
categories
of
potential
work:
one's
going
to
be
basic
work,
just
needed
to
stabilize
the
building,
and
that
will
have
to
be
done,
but
a
second
category,
where
maybe
there'll
be
some
extra
work
to
make
the
building
more
desirable
to
a
developer
who's
interested
in
renovation.
C
C
So
my
question
is:
will
there
be
an
opportunity
at
some
point
here
in
this
process,
for
the
public
to
comment
on
what
steps
the
city
takes
towards
that?
You
know
I
heard
that
the
ideas
would
come
to
the
drb.
You
would
be
passing
on
ideas
then
to
the
city
council.
At
what
point
would
the
public
have
the
opportunity
to
talk
to
you
about
that
and
express
your
thoughts.
A
About
okay-
and
we
are
we're
getting
just
now
getting
new
information
I
think
you
probably
heard
it
yeah.
At
the
same
time,
we
did
about
what
their
approach
would
be,
to
bring
consultants
in
and-
and
my
concern
is
that
we
probably
don't
have
time
to
do
that
in
a
regular
work
session.
So
we
may
have
to
have
a
special,
a
special
work
session.
Very
well.
Could
we've
had
work
sessions
before
that,
where
we
had
public
comment,
I'm,
not
sure
how
helpful
that
was
and
we'll
have
to
determine.
A
If
we
want
to
do
that
again,
okay,
but
we
don't
we've
glad
to
have
people
I
mean
yeah.
I!
Think
you
can
see
the
council
is,
is
trying
to
to
respond
to
concerns
and-
and
it
and
doing
it
right
may
take
a
little
longer.
L
F
A
C
Sure
it'll
be
interesting
to
see
what
the
report
says
with
that
and
yeah
I
heard
you
talking
about
it.
Talk
that
there'd
be
a
special
work
session,
and
that
was
my
concern
is
most
work
sessions.
The
public
doesn't
get
to
comment
we
get
to
to
listen
and
I
do
want
to
make
sure
that
the
public
has
some
Forum
where
they
can
give
their
input
on
this
yeah.
A
Now
this
is
one
right
now,
if
you've
already,
if
you've
already
prepared
to
address
some,
some
issues
that
you
felt
like
were
were
top
of
the
line
items
concerns
feel
free
to
chime
in
I'm.
C
A
And
really
this
meeting
that
will
be
coming
up
they'll,
we
essentially
will
will
be
hearing
what
the
composition
of
the
design
team
might
be.
They
will
probably
touch
on
issues
that
they
feel
are
are
important
and
need
to
be
addressed,
but
they
won't
come
up
with.
They
won't
have
Solutions.
Yet
that
might
still
be
a
time
you
all
could
comment
on
if
they,
if
they've
missed
some
items
that
are.
A
But
I
think
it'll
have
to
be
a
kind
of
open
work
session,
obviously,
but
this
first
time
they're
coming
back
so
quickly.
We
want
them
to
come
back
quickly,
but
it's
it's
really
to
identify
who
the
team
is.
Okay
and
what
their
fees
might
be
right.
D
I
think
I
think
that
I
envisioned
maybe
I'm
wrong,
but
my
vision,
I,
don't
know
about
the
rest
of
the
board,
but
I
would
prefer
to
have
them.
Do
their
presentation,
the
first
half
so
that
everybody
has
an
idea
what's
going,
it
will
have
an
interaction
the
first
time,
but
then
open
it
up
to
to
come
from
to
conversation.
Okay,
I'd
rather
call
it
conversation
that.
J
J
638
Magnolia
Street
I'm
a
little
bit
afraid
of
sounding
like
a
broken
record
on
procedures.
I've
made
some
comments
in
writing
to
Jim
Holly
I'm,
not
aware
of
any
vote
from
the
design
review
board
to
commence
a
process
to
review
the
hotel
Aiken.
So
I
don't
have
a
framework
for
understanding
what
you're
doing
right
now
I
believe
you
commented
and
started
something
about
a
maintenance
plan
in
a
work
session
which
is
not
an
official
Act.
J
You
are
also
a
quasi-judicial
body,
so
you're
required
by
law
to
establish
a
thorough
and
balanced
record
of
what
you
did
because
you're
imposing
your
views
on
owners
of
property,
so
I
would
urge
you
as
far
as
I've
read
the
statute
many
times
I,
don't
see
anything
in
the
statute
that
refers
to
a
maintenance
plan.
I,
don't
think
that's
an
official
Act,
that's
attributable
to
the
design
review
board
as
part
of
the
statute.
It
I
think
you
can.
J
You
can
place
it
under
a
review
of
demolition
by
neglect,
because
it
was
part
of
corrective
actions
that
you
would
require
of
the
owner,
but
as
a
result
of
that
and
I
I
commend
it.
I
I
think
everything
that
you're
doing
is
great,
so
I'm
not
criticizing
in
any
way,
but
anything
that
you
do
incorrectly
is
subject
to
challenge
by
others.
J
F
J
Obligation
to
maintain
historic
buildings
and
it's
clear-
the
hotel
has
not
been
maintained.
The
city
actually
missed
the
opportunity
to
require
the
Shahs
to
bring
the
building
up
to
Snuff.
So
now
that
responsibility
falls
to
the
city
and
we
intend
to
enforce
it.
So
we
want
this
record
to
be
complete,
thorough
and
balanced,
so
that
the
city
has
a
chance
to
defend
itself
if
it
wants
to
or
express
its
opinions.
And
here
it
wants
to.
J
You
need
to
create
a
forum
for
that
think
of
a
quasi-judicial
body
as
acting
like
a
court
of
law,
and
you
know
it,
you
need
to
conduct
yourself
in
a
way
that
everything
you
say
is
on
the
record.
So
you
need
to
think
about
putting
all
of
these
and
I.
Think
Jim
is
working
on
that
already
to
everything
that
we
do
in
this
regard
should
at
least
be
referenced
in
the
record,
with
maybe
a
reference
to
the
work
that
went
on
to
the
it
went
on
in
the
work
session,
but
I
think.
J
The
first
thing
you
should
do
is
open
an
investigation
into
demolition
by
neglect.
This
hotel
has
come
up
twice
came
up
in
August
of
2020.
There
was
no
decision.
The
the
design
review
board
has
an
affirmative
obligation
to
make
a
determination
whether
the
demolition
by
neglect
is
occurring
or
has
occurred.
You
failed
to
do
that
in
August
of
2020,
maybe
not
the
same
people.
You
fail
to
do
that
in
connection
with
your
review
in
March
of
last
year
for
the
certificate
of
application
demolition.
You
shouldn't
fail
to
do
it.
J
For
the
third
time
there
was
a
letter
provided
by
Martin
Buckley
raising
the
issue
of
demolition
by
neglect.
You
need
to
take
prompt
action
to
respond
to
that.
You
are
in
charge
of
monitoring
and
enforcing
demolition
by
neglect
and
you've.
Let
it
go
for
more
than
six
months
now.
That's
not
a
good
record.
You
should
get
on
it.
You
should
start
an
investigation,
follow
a
proper
procedure,
set
a
process
forth
and
close
the
investigation
and
make
a
determination.
J
J
J
J
J
To
do
here's
the
situation
you're
going
to
have
a
citizen
standing
here
and
you're
trying
to
enforce
it
against
them
and
they're
going
to
tell
you
you
didn't
enforce
it
against
the
city.
You
guys
are
clowns.
You
know
you,
you
know,
I
don't
have
to
do
what
you
tell
me
to
do.
You're,
not
following
the
law
yourself.
A
B
Segments
of
improvements,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
mention
that
is
part
of
the
components.
C
B
J
J
We're
pretty
good
in
court,
we'll
we'll
figure
we'll
make
that
opinion
stick,
so
you
need
to
figure
out
how
to
do
things
correctly
and
how
to
do
things
in
a
way
that
we
can
all
have
confidence
in.
It's
been
a
long
issue
and
many
of
the
issues
are
with
this
board.
You
should
be
doing
your
absolute
best
to
do
this.
There's
no
reason
you
shouldn't
you
guys
are
all
committed
to
this.
You
put
in
tons
of
work,
we're
very
grateful
for
that,
but
you
need.
The
statute
is
clear.
J
B
N
Good
afternoon
Harrison
Howell
1033
Hayne
Avenue
Southwest,
just
a
quick
question
about
the
maintenance
plan.
Part
B
list
some
items
that
would
be
done
in
an
undisclosed
number
of
days.
Is
there
any
intention
to
fill
that
out
anytime
soon.
A
It
sounds
like
we
might
be
able
to
do
it
by
March,
7th,
okay,
that's
part
of
yeah,
the
the.
As
you
see
the
first
sentence,
the
assessment
conducted
by
professionals
and
pro
preservation
will
be
considered
by
the
owner,
and
so
that's
that's
really.
The
phase
we're
in
now
and
hopefully
by
March
7th,
we'll
get
a
better
idea.
Some
of
these,
as
I've
pointed
out,
are
things
that
can
can
be
done
in
a
matter
of
weeks
right.
A
N
A
Right
now,
yeah
I
think
the
intention,
that's
why
we
left
a
blank
in
there
and
you
know,
there's
a
good
deal
of
thought
put
into
what
we
identified
as
deficiencies
in
the
structure
that
that
could
lead
to
demolition
by
neglect.
N
Thank
you
and
then
outside
of
the
demolition
by
neglect.
I
think
there
was
some
conversation
earlier
about
improving
the
visual
appearance
of
the
property
itself.
I
just
wanted
to
comment.
I
think
that's
a
great
idea.
It
would
be
really
good
to
see,
especially
some
of
the
old
awnings
are
old
and
mildewed
and
in.
M
E
F
D
I
Good
evening,
I'm
David,
Blake,
Two,
Notch
Road
I
just
wanted
to
say
how
please
I
am
here
that
you
have
taken
steps
to
hire
a
qualified
person
to
assess
the
hotel
in
particular.
But
you
know
all
these
things
are
positive,
but
I'm
wondering
does
anyone
know
in
exhibit
B
here
where
there's
been
a
hotel,
Aiken
analysis
that's
been
made,
there
are
still
I,
don't
know
who's
doing
it,
but
you're
still
continuing
to
assert.
I
You
know
particular
findings
about
the
building
before
you've
received
the
report
that
that
I'm
excited
to
see
you
know,
for
example,
you
know
in
the
first
line
here
about
the
the
wood
framing,
the
you
know,
the
brick,
the
brick
and
all
of
these
things,
but
in
particular
it
asserts
here
that
the
building
code
requirements-
you
know
it-
it
doesn't
meet
the
current
building
codes
requirements
when
Craig
Bennett
has
provided
information
about
that
not
being
the
appropriate
building
code
or
the
applicable
building
code
is
rather
the
international
existing
building
code.
I
That
would
be
considered
not
these
other
things,
but
you
know
all
through
this.
If
you
just
read
this
you'll
see
a
number
of
things
that
are
I.
Think
it
would
be
nice
or
it
would
be
better
for
you
all
to
have
Mr
Bennett's
expert
opinion
on
these
issues,
rather
than
continuing
to
assert
the
things
that
have
been
said
before
you
know,
based
on
the
developers
report
but
anyway,
thank
you
so
much.
Thank
you.
M
My
point
of
recognition
is
also
exhibit
B
in
particular
line
items,
one
and
two,
where
they
attain
to
the
window
replacement
of
sash
on
Lawrence
Street,
as
well
as
the
replacement
of
rotted
cornice.
I
know
you
guys
are
kind
of
speaking
in
terms
of
how
those
will
be
addressed
in
the
future.
Are
you
guys
waiting
for
an
initial
analysis
on
the
current
state
of
those
projects,
or
is
there
an
opinion
that
those
are
can
be
set
aside
and
voted
on?
Currently,
if
so
is
when
the
cornice
is
replaced?
M
Well,
the
corners
maintain
its
original
Dental
feature.
It
does
not
list
an
exhibit
B
that
the
cornice
will
be
replaced
to
contend
with
the
original
feature
of
the
dental
molding
that
wraps
around
the
entirety
of
the
building
I'm.
In
addition,
the
window
sash
facing
Lauren's
I'm
struggling
to
remember
which
window
sash
is
removed.
If
it's
the
one
that
was
100,
Lauren
Street,
that's
a
non-wooden
glazed
window.
It's
one
piece
of
glass
is
that
the
sash
in
question
that's
going
to
be
replaced.
If
so,
that's
not
a
sash,
that's
just
a
piece
of
glass.
M
So,
potentially,
just
clarification
on
those
two
points,
one.
What
Sash
on
Lauren
Street
needs
to
be
replaced,
and
if
so
you
know
based
on
those
Replacements,
what
is
the
intended
replacement
of
those
sashes
and
then
two
any
repair,
work
or
replacement
of
the
rotted
cornice?
Will
that
cornice
retain
its
original
Dental
feature?
It
is
not
stated
clearly
enough
in
this
pamphlet,
whether
or
not
that
replacement
will
maintain
as
I'm
sure
you
guys,
probably
know
a
lot
of
times.
M
M
A
I
A
The
cornice
is
something
that
is
is
really
a
a
good
thing
for
to
have
experts.
Look
at
correct.
We,
we
we
none
of
us,
can
really
tell
what
the
original
design
was
supposed
to
include.
It
looks
like
it's
a
interior
gutter.
J
A
M
A
M
Well
and
I,
don't
think
I,
don't
think
the
comment
or
the
the
public
objection
would
necessarily
be
to
whether
or
not
you
guys
are
qualified
to
you
know
determine
whether
the
cornice
is
rotted
or
not.
I
think
the
point
was
mentioned
in
Linda
Johnson's,
presentation
of
the
history
of
downtown
Aiken
and
the
evolution
of
facades
that
are
facilitated
like
Hotel
Aiken.
M
You
know
there
was
a
first
iteration
that
lasted
40
or
50
years
and
then
a
remodel
somewhere,
20s
30s
and
very
clearly
that
remodel
included,
Dental
cornice
work
so
I
think,
regardless
of
whatever
findings
there
are
I
think
that
Dental
cornice
work
is
significant
enough
to
be
saved
regardless.
You
know,
I
I,
don't
think
any
sort
of
you
know.
Retention,
any
sort
of
renovator
or
any
sort
of
preservationist
is
going
to
go
any
further,
removing
stucco
going
farther
back
to
the
original
plane,
even
that
the
building
doesn't
look
like
the
original.
M
A
And-
and
this
is
a
as
we
mentioned
earlier-
is
kind
of
a
starting
point.
Before
we
had
any
Consultants,
we
said:
hey,
guys,
we've
and,
and
you
all
help,
we've
got
some
issues
here
that
need
addressing
right
and
and
one
or
two
people
have
tried
to
do
that
over
over
the
last
few
months.
But
I.
A
M
Well,
I
mean
so
so
I
guess
the
volley
then
would
be
if
we
can
see
Vis.
You
know
physical
evidence
of
that
cornice
existing
for
100
years.
What
is
the
consultant
going
to
lend
you
any
sort
of
credence
to
replacing
that
you
know
we
can't
physically
take
from
our
own
eye
a
visual
appeal.
You
know
it
obviously
needs
to
be
saved
and
replicated
as
closely
as
possible
to
what's
there
right.
So
so
you
know
that's
the
main
concern.
That's
that's.
M
A
M
D
Right
what
I'm
interested
to
hear
from
experts
is
what
kind
of
material
that
we
should
use
to
keep
it
like.
It
does
could
be
for
a
long,
long
time,
yeah,
right
or
different
types
of
wood
that
you
use
on
the
exterior
yeah
I
know
in
my
house,
when
I,
when
I
had
to
redo
it
and
get
approval
from
the
drb.
When
we
first
moved
back,
we
had
to
replicate
and
we
used
certain
types
of
wood,
Cypress
and
right
John.
I
A
Okay,
I,
don't
know
that
we
necessarily
need
to
vote
Jim.
This
is
on
our
agenda,
but
it's
possible
action
on
the
maintenance
plan.
We've
discussed.
It
got
some
public
input,
yeah.
B
If
I
may
going
back
to
Mr
Lott's
question
exactly
the
executive
session
is
listed
as
item,
but
if
there's
no
motion
to
go
in
executive
session,
it
doesn't
mean
anything.
Okay,
I
would
just
suggest
if
the
board
wants
to
consider
it
to
continue.
The
item
e
discussion
possible
action,
a
maintenance
plan
for
hotel
Aiken.
M
E
Well
and
I
might
would
even
go
a
little
further
than
that.
I
think
we're
going
to
get
an
update
on
March
7th,
but
I'm
not
sure.
If
we're
going
to
have
an
action
plan
so
I,
we
continue
it
until
an
appropriate
time
and
I
just
don't
know
if
that's
March,
7th
or
not
it
might
be
a
month
after
that,
but
I
am
frustrated
by
the
lack
of
progress.
I
think
we
hear
that
from
from
our
concerned,
citizens
out
there
and
I
and
I.
You
know.
E
I
came
here
tonight
ready
to
to
make
a
vote
on
something,
but
in
the
presence
of
of
some
experts,
opinion
which
should
just
be
a
few
more
weeks
out,
I
feel
like
it.
It
wouldn't
be
prudent
to
to
take
an
action
if
we're
right
on
the
cusp
of
really
having
some
better
information
and
I
agree
with
McDonald.
E
You
know
we
I
have
been
on
this
board
when
we
have
voted
demolition
by
the
war
and
and
what
we
have
always
looked
for
is
to
try
to
be
a
Kinder
General
but
gener
more
generous
designer
view
board.
If
you're
working
with
us,
we'll
work
with
you
kind
of
a
situation
and
I
think
that's
the
right
way
to
be
is
to
to
look
for
people
who
are
trying
to
do
the
right
thing
and
to
work
with
them.
E
We
might
would
be
a
little
a
little
more
firm
on
the
city
than
we
would
a
concerned
citizen,
but
but
I
am
hearing
the
city's
concern
to
try
to
move
things
in
the
in
the
right
direction.
I
think
we're
on
the
cusp
of
getting
some
better
information,
some
better
advice
on
how
to
proceed
forward
and
and
I
just
think.
It's
the
right
thing
to
do
to
continue
this
just
a
few
more
weeks
until
we
can
can
get
better
information
in
our
possession.
B
E
E
E
May
address,
depending
on
here
right.
It
sounds
like
we're
not
going
to
know
the
funding
part.
We
might
know
a
plan,
but
we
don't
know
a
funding
part
and
we
probably
won't
even
know
what
schedule
until
we
know
the
funding
part
but
I
suspect.
We
won't
have
a
final
answer
at
the
March
7th
meeting,
but
we
can.
E
Continue
it
that
far
yeah
but
I,
would
you
know
I've
sat
on
this
board
for
years
and
I
was
here
in
19
when
the
shawls
came
through,
and
you
know
and
I'm
I'm
way
overdue
for
some
improvements,
and
so
I
I
feel
I
feel
good
that
that
we're
we're
about
to
have
something.
E
A
And
I
appreciate
Sabine
is
now
Savannah
has
been
working
almost
daily
on
on
that,
but
it's
literally
bigger
than
one
person
can
can
handle,
and
so
now
we'll
have
some
other
I.
D
Good
yeah
I'm
just
about,
should
you
know
to
make
it
a
matter
of
public
record.
Do
we
do
we
need
to
readdress
what
we
talked
about
in
in
our
meeting
in
our
work
session,
about
holding
additional
meetings
to
fare
it
out
and
look
through
our
processes
and
procedures
to
over
the
next
months?.
E
I
I
think
we
should
talk
about
our
procedures
and
I'm
I'm
in
favor
of
that
and
I'm
I'm
willing
to
participate
in
in
those
meetings
too
and
I
also
feel
like,
since
we're
throwing
ideas
to
the
chairman,
who
I
put
a
lot
of
faith
in
I,
appreciate
your
leadership
over
the
many
years.
I've
sat
on
this
board,
the
I
think
that
it's
fair
for
the
public
to
have
some
comment
period.
E
You
know
maybe
the
first
part
of
our
next
session.
Our
work
session
should
be
for
us
to
hear
the
proposal
and
to
ask
our
questions,
and
maybe
you
know
15
or
20
minutes
for
some
public
questions
is.
E
E
You,
what
are
your
leadership
but
but
I
think
that
it's
a
fair
thing
for
public.
D
Well,
I
make
the
motion
that
we
hold
some
over
the
night
she's
referring.
B
D
L
A
B
I
if
I
always
like
to
say
if
I
may,
but
if
if
that
was
a
motion
to
amend
the
pending
motion
and
second
on
that,
a
second
and
then,
if
I
may
vote
on
the
amendment.
Okay.
A
All
in
favor
of
the
amendment
raise
your
right
hand
and
that's
to
add
that
makes
sense.
Okay,
now
that
that
pass
so
now
the
amended
Mo
motion
will
vote
on
it.
Okay,
all
in
favor
of
of
your
amended
motion,
raise
your
right
hand.
Okay,
thank
you.
Do
I
hear
a
motion
to
adjourn
so.