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From YouTube: Design Review Board September 7, 2021
Description
Design Review Board
September 7, 2021
6:30 PM
Call to Order
Minutes
Old Business:
none
New Business:
1) Application CERH22- 002: Applicant Todd Stilp requests approval of modifications to the front steps at 337 Newberry St. SW ( TMP 105- 36- 07- 005).
2) Application CERH22- 010: Applicant Jeff Burden requests approval of replacement of windows, doors, and siding at 606 South Boundary Ave SE ( TMP 121- 09- 10- 003).
3) Application CERH22- 011: Applicant Jane Page Thompson requests approval to construct a new barn at 240 Knox Ave SE ( TMP 121- 13- 04- 002).
4) Application CERH22- 012: Applicant Cameron Scott requests approval of enclosing a side porch at Palmetto Golf Club, 275 Berrie Road SW (TMP 105- 20-01-001).
5) Consideration of Revisions to the Historic Overlay District Approval
Matrix.
Information
Adjournment
A
A
A
C
A
A
E
G
A
F
I
think
we
just
yeah,
I
think
the
yeah
just
cleaning
it
up
and
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
personally
see
is
there's
the
more
a
lot
of
of
the
failure
of
the
existing
stairs
was
just
a
lot
of
things
that
were
added
on
and
when
you
look
at
them,
some
of
the
contortions
and
stuff
like
that
they're
just
extra
cuts,
and
so
I
think,
by
making
it
a
better,
would
just
make
it
a
little
more
solid.
I
don't
think
we'll.
I
A
No,
we
appreciate
you
bringing
it
back.
I
know
you
submitted
it
earlier
and
we
just
asked
for
a
little
bit
more
accurate
drawings,
and
this
is
what
we
needed
good.
Thank
you
I'll
ask.
If
anyone
would
like
to
speak
with
regard
to
the
application
for
placing
of
the
front
stairs
at
337
newberry,
a
nice
shingle
style
house,
anyone
can
who
wants
to
speak
in
favor
or
against
you're
welcome
to
come
forward.
Don't
believe
we
have
anybody,
so
we
could
have
a
motion.
If
you
all
will.
B
A
A
I
A
A
G
Approval
to
do
all
of
the
siding
just
to
ensure
consistency
and-
and
you
know
it's
it's-
I
think-
on
on
the
clients-
part
the
johnston's.
They
feel
that's
the
best
thing
to
do
for
the
historic
property
so
that
there's
no
subtle,
distinguishes
and
so
forth.
So
they're,
considering
replacing
all
of
it.
Yeah.
G
A
I
C
G
A
C
G
With
spacer
bars
and
they've
already
done
it
on
the
unbeknownst
to
them,
they
didn't
you
know
they.
They
did
it
casually
mentioning
it
to
the
to
the
designer
you
know,
but
I
think
the
right
decision
on
their
part-
and
your
part
is
to
you
know,
do
it
formally
this
way.
So
it
sets
a
precedent,
but
long
story
short
they've
already
done
it,
and
there
are
some
photographs
in
there
of
of
the
sun
room
where
they've
had
to
replace
them.
G
A
A
G
A
Okay,
good!
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
and
we'll
ask
the
same
thing.
If
anyone
would
would
like
to
comment
on
the
renovations
on
exterior,
siding
and
window
replacement
for
the
house
there
on
south
boundary,
it's
had
a
number
of
modifications
and
been
been
for
this
board
two
or
three
times,
and
then
I
had
some
strange
things
done
to
it
as
well,
so
he's
hopefully
going
to
bring
it
back
to
the
original
concept.
A
H
So
the
lot
the
house
is
very
much
to
one
side
of
the
lot,
so
there
is
a
good
bit
of
room
on
the
far
end
of
the
lot
to
put
a
barn,
a
shed
row,
barn
that
would
be
in
keeping
with
all
of
the
other
race
track
gardens
in
the
area
and
the
other
privately
owned
barns
in
the
area
you
can
see.
We
did
a
on
the
site
plan.
We
did
an
initial
side
setback
of
the
20
feet,
but
I
think
it's
it's
actually
only
10
feet
is
required.
H
According
to
the
email
I
got
from
the
zoning
official,
but
we
wouldn't
want
to
impact
that
tree
line,
so
it
may
end
up
being
somewhere
between
18
and
26
feet
depending
on
the
trees,
and
it
would
be
just
a
simple
shed
rose.
So
it's
going
to
have
the
dutch
doors
with
the
cross
hatching
on
both
the
front
and
the
back.
It's
going
to
have
an
overhang
on
the
front.
That's
a
12
foot
overhang
the
office
tack.
H
H
I
H
I
H
H
It's
actually
red
hardy
board
already
that
color
and
the
so
on
the
paint
colors.
The
country
lane
red
is
already
a
hardy
board
red
the
matching
paint
color
for,
for
example,
the
anything
that
might
need
to
be
painted
relative
to
the
door
window
boxes
or
something
is
country
redwood.
So
that's
the
color
that
complements
the
country
lane
red
from
hardy
plank
the
driftwood
color
architectural
tab
shingles.
They
have
the
same
sort
of
reds
and
grays
and
beiges
that
will
tie
in
the
color
scheme.
H
I
I
H
H
A
I
A
A
A
A
D
I
D
A
Yeah
and
you're
and
you're
and
you're,
offering
us
the
the
option.
If
someone
wants
to
move
those
x
marks
correct,
we
could
modify
that
and
as
part
of
a
motion.
Okay,
do
you
all
see?
What's
you
know
what
we
first
of
all
we've
acknowledged
there
that
retaining
walls
exist
and
that
they
are
walls
and
then
and
then,
secondly,
even
with
contributing,
we
allow
walls
to
to
go
through
the
administrative
review,
but
if
you
wanted
to
change
that
and
move
it
over,
this
is
a
good
time
to
do
it.
K
A
C
A
J
K
A
How
would
you
we
just
said
that
it
that
the
matrix
doesn't
require
that
to
come
to
the
whole
board?
We
just
required
on
this
particular
particular
property
that
comes
with
the
whole
board.
But
normally,
if
you
did
a
little
four
foot
wall
in
the
front
of
your
even
contributing
property,
it
could
be
administratively
reviewed
and
we're
asking
do
you
think
it
needs
every?
Do
you
want
every
wall
on
a
contributing
property
to
come
to
the
board.
I
A
I
I
E
C
I
E
A
A
L
A
Getting
ready
to
correct
the
some
of
the
designations,
not
tonight,
but
but
the
the
currently.
If,
if
you
all
felt
like
the
designations
were
correct,
which
they
aren't
tonight,
but
if
they
were,
would
would
this
be
okay
to
make
a
not
allow
a
nun
burn
on
a
non-driven
property,
be
reviewed
administratively.
D
A
C
Yeah-
and
I
think
that
was
something
I
was
I
was
thinking
about
too-
is
that
you
know
you've
got
the
landmark
contributing
non-contributing,
but
then
what
you
did
was
you
took
the
greater
neighborhood
in
account,
and
I
I
think
that
needs
to
be
part
of
the
criteria
as
well.
The
invisibility
of
it
yeah.
A
So
this
is
okay,
then,
as
far
as
if
it's
non-contributing,
unless
it's
in
a
sensitive
neighborhood,
you
still
do
administratively,
you
know.
Otherwise
you
do
end
up
bringing
a
lot
of
stuff
through
the
job
that
you
may
get
distracted
from
even
more
important
issues.
So
the
the
third
thing
we
talked
about
was
perhaps
at
the
top
of
the
matrix
we
have
it.
A
D
D
J
A
M
M
You
can't
find
it
and
it
would
be
beneficial
for
everyone
to
have
that
so
that
you
could
say
oh
yeah,
they
administratively
approved
it,
and
if
somebody
wants
to
appeal
it
and
say
or
monitor
it,
they
can
that's
not
against
anybody.
But
process
is
everything
and
if
you
don't
there's
you
all
are
the
minute
people.
You
are
the
public
record
of
what
was
decided
and
when
there's
no
public
record
of
that,
it's
a
problem,
and
I
I
just
think
it's
wonderful.
M
M
I
think
that
is
wonderful
to
put
at
the
beginning,
but
I
would
also
suggest
that
you
require,
on
the
applications
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
which
has
to
be
filed
even
for
an
administrative
decision
right
so
require
them
to
vet
the
application
on
the
front
end.
Just
so.
If
if
somebody
from
planning
can
say
there,
isn't
enough
information,
give
us
some
more
on
the
adjoining
properties
that
might
be
sensitive,
because
you
had
some
incredible
applications
tonight
they
were
all
on
line.
Everything
was
done
because
you
saw
pictures
you
saw
neighborhood.
M
You
saw
that
we
did
not
see
that
and
that's
why.
I
think
it
it
behooves
the
process
to
be
honored
from
the
beginning,
starting
with
the
office
people,
so
that
you're
not
guessing
at
a
hearing,
it's
being
vetted
on
the
application
and
the
certificate
of
application
which
is
required
on
the
ordinance
says
there
must
be
measurements,
there
must
be
joining
property.
The
impact
of
the
neighborhood
has
to
kind
of
be
obvious,
so
that
there's
no
big
discussion
for
you
all
and
then
it
makes
it
easier
for
everybody
and
there's
no
hard
feelings.
M
I'm
concerned
about
the
certificate
of
matrix,
because
the
matrix
is
what
started
the
574
problem
blueberry,
because
we
couldn't
find
it.
We
didn't
know
where
it
was.
It
wasn't
available
online.
We
got
told
about
it
and
it
was
the
great
mystery.
So
I
would
applaud
any
request
to
put
it
out
there.
I
would
tell
you,
I
think,
there's
some
problems
with
it.
Even
the
retaining
wall
is
a
wonderful
valiant
effort
to
correct
a
problem.
M
I
think
you're
going
to
make
yourself
some
more
problems,
because
you
haven't
addressed
things
like
if,
if
you're
in
the
historic
overlay
fences
can
be
combined
with
walls
and
then
you
have
a
whole
height
that
becomes
like
the
one
on
grace
circle.
Now
it's
14
feet
tall.
You
all
have
the
no
authority
to
grant
anything
more
than
12.,
but
somebody
can
do
that
and
there's
nothing
in
this
matrix.
M
M
M
Less
misunderstanding:
if
you
honor
the
process
and
that's
part
of
what
why
I
came
because
I
wasn't
just
for
the
record,
I
went
online
and
didn't
know
what
was
going
to
be
said
on
the
certificate
of
progress
tonight
on
the
previous
certificate
of
appropriateness.
There
was
some
metallics
like
language,
and
you
could
see
what
you
were
deter
making
a
discussion
of
tonight.
I
couldn't
find
it
so
and
the
other
thing
I
would
when
do
the
minutes
post,
you
accept
them
so
that
when
did
they
post
like
the
minutes
that
you
were.
M
H
M
J
M
Just
wanted
you
to
know,
I
think
again,
honoring
process
as
a
public
entity
if
you're
voting
on
something
in
a
public
meeting
that
you
all
get
sent,
it's
not
sent
and
made
available.
That's
all
I
have,
and
I
appreciate
I
know
this
isn't
an
easy
thing,
but
I
think
the
process
needs
to
be
tweaked
and
an
appreciation
for
all
people,
so
that
there's
not
any-
and,
I
will
say,
is
given
the
contentiousness
that
happened
on
574
newberry.
Has
anybody
given
any
more
administrative
approvals
on
anything?
M
H
M
M
A
I
I
M
A
K
M
M
Just
it
changes
of
the
guard
and
do
people
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
could
be
tweaked
effectively
for
everyone
like
process.
The
process
is
so
important
and
I
just
think
there
should
be
a
vetting
checklist.
Just
so
you
know
I've
researched
the
whole
retaining
wall
wall
fence
combination.
Do
you
understand
it
depends
on
how
you
measure
them?
You
all
can
make
decisions
about
if
it's
on
the
property
line,
meaning
within
the
10
foot
property
line,
building
thing
that
you're
supposed
to
set
back
rule.
M
Whatever
that's
called,
then
you
measure
it
from
the
bottom
up
all
the
way.
If
you're
doing
a
four
foot
wall
which
doesn't
require
a
professional
engineer,
there's
a
different
thing:
people
should
be
able
to
do
that
if
they're,
using
landscape
methods,
there's
ways
to
explain
this,
that
everybody
can
be
agreed
and
helped
and
and
then
there's
no
misunderstanding.
M
K
I
I
G
E
M
E
M
If
it's
a
four
foot,
it's
not
a
big
deal
exactly
and
the
pre-existing
retain
walls.
I
get
what
you're
josh
completely.
I
am
telling
you
that
it's
not
just
the
chairman.
It
is
what
your
administrative
people
are
prepared
to
assess
if
they
can
vet
it
appropriately
because
you've,
given
them
guidance
and
say,
and
I'm
I'm
just
saying
you
know
it's
fun
what
you
can
do
you're
sitting
in
your
living
room,
your
jammies
now
online
you
can
find
out.
I
didn't
know,
google,
how
do
you
measure
fences
and
retaining
wall
combinations?
M
M
Well,
they're,
no
they're
peacemakers.
If
you
have
an
understanding
of
process
so
that
retaining
walls
I
I
get
the
whole
realm
of
possibilities
between
builders
and
architects
and
people
concerned
that
it's
a
blending.
But
if
it's
vetted
appropriately,
that's
why
you
all
are
here:
that's
why
we're
all
here?
It's
public
and
it's
messy!
It's
just
like
law
making,
but
the
right
decisions
are
made
of
people
get
to
input
and.
A
A
A
M
M
M
Or
I
could
say,
I'd
love
that,
but
there
was
this
or
you
don't
you're,
preventing
any
process
to
be
involved,
and
somebody
could
look
at
the
minutes
and
go
who
said
what
and
with
the
benefit
of
technology
and
youtube,
you
could
check
it
and
I
just
think
the
more
opportunities
to
vet
something
and
to
allow
people
to
be
a
part
of
it.
Even
if
we
might
disagree,
it's
going
to
make
everybody
better.
B
M
M
A
M
M
A
M
Wants
to
just
know
hey
what
did
y'all
do
not
addition
to
an
administrative
decision,
some
kind
of
record
of
that
for
posterity's
sake.
So
you
all
don't,
can
answer
questions
or
or
say.
The
planning
commission
has
a
list
of
them
by
map
of
administrative
decisions
so
that
you
all
don't
get
the
heat.
I
mean
I
I
get
that,
but
the
minutes
when
you
get
them,
nobody
in
public
gets
them
and
in
fact
you.
M
J
K
M
A
M
I
was
trying
to
get
them
before
they
were
approved
just
to
understand
how
somebody
put
that,
and
there
isn't
anything
there.
Most
public
entities
are
required
under
foi
because
you
have
to
post
your
meeting.
You
have
to
record
it.
You
have
to
post
your
agenda
ahead
of
time.
I
do
not
understand
why
there's
no
draft,
I.
I
A
M
The
other
problem
is
they
put
the
the
storm
water
dehex
side
of
it
is
a
whole
nother
issue
mcdonald,
because
you
you're
dumping
it
into
hitchcock
woods,
which
is
a
private
thing
and
so
calico
creek.
That
corner
is
going
to
be
the
new
sand
river
in
less
than
three
or
four
years.
It's
just
a
mess.
That
already
is,
I
know,
trust
me.
I
live
there
well.
K
M
K
M
A
A
J
I
J
I
J
Wanting
to
speak,
I'm
sorry,
just
when
you
say
barn,
non-contributing
and
it's
new
construction,
demolition
or
modifications
are
existing
to
me
that
something
I
trust
you
macdonald.
I
don't
know
who
the
next
chairman
is
or
who
the
next
mary
is.
But
to
me,
if
it's
in
the
historical
area,
that's
why
I
said
this
was
old,
aiken
or
just
historic.
A
A
A
A
A
N
George
ann
crawford,
588
and
594
newberry
street
southwest,
so
I
can
say,
as
a
neighbor,
it's
it's
very
difficult.
Having
272
feet
of
wall
built
right
up
almost
to
your
property
line,
I
would
really
love
to
see
more
guidelines
with
fences.
I
know
back
years
and
years
ago,
when
the
historic
committee
existed,
you
could
only
go
up
to
six
feet.
In
fact
somebody
put
an
eight-foot
fence
and
they
were
going
to
make
them
tear
it
down
and
find
them
every
day
for
the
if
they
left
it
up.
That
was
the
old
rule.
N
N
It
also
has.
I
don't
know
what
the
certification
is
on
that
wall.
It
has
three
cracks
from
top
to
bottom,
two
have
been
repaired.
I
have
three
civil
engineers
who
have
all
said
that
wall
will
eventually
fail
and
that
that's
daunting
to
me.
I
know
that
that's
not
your
jurisdiction,
but
there
needs
to
be
some
way
that,
when
a
wall
of
that
magnitude
is
built,
that
somebody
inspects
it
there's
no
inspection
of
a
wall
like
that.
N
N
A
J
B
N
A
Now
we
we
asked
as
far
as
the
tall
wall,
which
I
think
you
you,
you
made
a
good
case-
that
a
wall
over
four
feet
yeah
needs
to
have
be
engineered.
Yes,
and
we,
even
though
we
weren't
it's
not
our
it's
not
part
of
our
area
to
to
review
engineering
drawings,
we
asked,
did
you
have
one
and
they
do,
and
we
understood
that
was
passed
along
from
clark
to
barbara.
Did
you.
M
B
A
Really,
I
think
we're
going
beyond
that.
We've
asked
that
and
they
do
have
an
engineer,
but
what
you're
really
asking,
I
think,
is
you're
asking
with
the
city
building
inspections
department,
be
stricter
about
requiring
and
they're
not
going
to
engineer
it
and
they
don't.
I
don't
have
expertise
to
evaluate
the
you
know
the
calculations,
but
they
could
ask.
Do
you
have
any?
They
would
have
that
on
roof
trusses
on
really
even
houses.
I
N
N
Well,
they
put
some
metal
brackets
on
the
back
and
the
front
drilled
through
the
wall
to
hold
it
like
band-aids,
but
it
rained
again
just
a
few
days
before
we
had
our
last
drb
meeting
and
it
cracked
again
in
a
third
place,
but
nothing's
been
done.
It
paralleled,
there's
a
where
the
wall
turns
a
corner.
Okay,.
N
You
know
I've
talked
to
grant.
I
I
sent
a
letter
to
the
owner
saying
you
know
just
for
your
benefit
and
my
benefit.
It
would
be
really
really
good
if
you
had
an
integrity
test
like
you
can't
just
look
at
it
and
say:
oh,
it's
fine!
That's
where
I'm
coming
from!
You
know.
I
do
not
want
to
see
it
fail.
I
do
not
want
to
see
it
taken
down.
Believe
me
because
for
us
it
would
be
a
disaster
to
have
to
take
that
wall
down
for
everybody
and.
A
N
A
So
you
generally
do
put
joints
and
I
would
have
liked
them
to
have
done
cuts
shown
some
joints
and
I
think
they're
worried
about
well,
maybe
water
would
come
through.
Well
that's
the
least
it's
okay
for
water
to
come
through.
You
want
it
to
come
through,
but
I
think
that
would
have
been
probably
a
good
way
to
do
it.
It
says
something
about
joints
at
turns.
Maybe,
and
there
are
any
turns
it's
a
curved
wall.
B
N
I
H
N
Neither
here
nor
there
I'm
just
saying
the
next
time
a
wall
like
this
is
built.
Please
let
the
neighbors
know.
What's
going
on
or
haven't
inspected,
there
needs
to
be
some
kind
of
a
process,
and
I'm
just
saying
that
as
a
neighbor,
I
really
want
to
be
a
good
neighbor.
It
has
been,
you
know,
non-stop.
I've
told
you
before
non-stop
bulldozers
and
whatever
so
I
suggest.
K
K
L
A
A
A
M
A
I
I
B
M
M
The
problem
with
the
great
wall
is
when
schematics
were
done
when
when
proposals
were
put
out
after
the
fact
it
was
already
freaking
built,
there
were
no
measurements,
everything
you
saw,
never
measured
a
wall,
you
never
and
because
grant
would
say
it
was
nine
feet.
Well,
that's
just
what
the
concrete
was.
How
far
was
it
from
her
ground
level?
How
far
is
that?
No
one
had
a
measure.
A
L
M
A
M
Say
that
you
cannot
do
one
more
than
12
feet,
yeah
and
you
or
and
first
of
all,
you're
required
to
approve
something
over
six
feet.
That's
why
it's
like
guys
you
can.
He
could
have
gotten
it.
If
the
retaining
wall
is
a
wall
and
a
fence,
then
anything
over
six
feet
has
to
come
to
y'all
and
you
all
could
have
said.
M
A
A
C
A
M
A
A
D
H
N
H
N
It
gives
you
the
impression
that
oh,
it's
going
to
grade
down
and
it
doesn't
say
how
tall
the
wall
was
going
to
be
when
he
submitted
the
grading
plan
when
he
measured
that
wall
and
how
far
away
it
was
from
the
property
and
how
high
the
wall
was.
That
was
after
two
feet
of
dirt
was
placed
all
along
the
entire
wall.
So
what
was
supposed
to
be
a
two
foot
wall
was
really
a
four
foot
wall.
N
What
was
supposed
to
be
a
ten
foot
wall
really
was
written
down
as
a
nine
foot
wall,
and
you
know
I
I
just
I
don't
understand.
I
know
that
sometimes
you
do
put
dirt
at
the
bottom
of
a
wall,
but
everything
was
measured
after
two
feet
of
dirt.
In
fact,
I
still
have
two
feet
of
dirt
behind
silt
fences.
All
along
my
property
line,
that's
higher.
J
A
M
M
Had
and-
and
I
know
we
need
to
clarify
it-
there's
lots
of
things
to
clarify
and
I'm
learning
that
a
lot
of
the
clarification
in
terms
of
process
is
out
there
when
people
come
from
different
areas
and
they
have
a
different
idea
about
how
to
handle
property
development,
then
they
start
fighting
over
every
foot.
Am
I
right
and
that's
what.
J
J
J
K
M
I
I
M
Over
six
feet
should
come
to
you
all
or
or
you
know
you
can't
build
them.
What's
your
limit,
you
want
to
do
10.
You
want
to
do
eight,
you
could
do
eight
seats,
but
there's
no
approval
and
you
don't
even
mention
on
your
matrix-
that,
oh
by
the
way,
the
zoning
ordinance
the
zoning
orbit
says,
fences
cannot
be
over
six
feet
separating
historic
overlay.
You
can
grant
it
up
to
12..
Why
isn't
that
on
the
matrix
in
some
way,
for
you
all
and
them
to
know.
J
I
J
J
M
M
In
a
historic
neighborhood,
you
know
get
ready,
and
I
said
you
mean
I
have
to
apply
to
demolish
the
rotten
deck
on
a
yes.
Well
that
I
respect
that
process
and
people
need
to
respect
that
process.
And
regretfully
there
are
people
coming
and
people
with
lots
of
interest
in
owning
things
in
our
city
that
don't
respect
our
process
and
they
tend
to
go
I'm
going
to
do
whatever
I
can
till
somebody
tells
me
not
to,
and
that's
where
you
all
have
to
kind
of
adapt
to
that
type
of
thing.
I
don't
want
it
to
be.
B
Well,
I,
for
one
appreciate
the
extra
time
that
both
of
you
have
put
into
this
change
doesn't
happen
by
osmosis.
It
happens
through
concerned
citizens
and
boards
working
together
to
come
up
with
solutions
and
changes
that
will
impact
in
a
positive
way
the
community.
So
thank
you
you're
welcome.
Thank
you.
C
B
N
M
N
N
C
A
M
A
J
I'm
talking
about
that.
It's
the
mindset
of
it's
a
non-contributing
property
yeah.
I
don't
care
if
the
doors
change,
but
if
we're
tearing
it
down
and
something
else
is
going
back
up
and
I
don't
care
if
it's
non-contributing
or
not-
and
I
wasn't
looking
at
it
from
that
point
of
view
when
we
approved
this.
B
I
I
A
I
C
Chairman
with
regards
to
the
approval
matrix
I'd
like
to
to
move
that,
we
continue
this
for
two
months
to
be
brought
back
in
two
months
and
also
that
we
start,
including
our
minutes
posted
online
as
soon
as
they're
available,
even
though
they're
still
draft,
and
that
we
also
start
including
the
administrative
approval,
with
a
short
description
in
our
packages.
Each
month,
as
well
as
online.