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Okay,
all
in
favor
of
continuing
mr.
Blayne,
the
secretary
treasurer
Reggie
in
opposed
okay
good.
You
got
that
all
out
of
the
way.
Okay,
first
application
is
application:
number
19
day,
six:
zero,
zero,
zero,
seven
rezoning
request
on
901
Hayne
Avenue
by
mr.
Harrell
beep
rigid
anybody
here
to
speak
in
favor
of
that
rezoning
request.
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D
A
Thank
you,
but
second,
you
have
a
second
second.
Okay,
all
in
favor
raise
your
right
hand
posed
okay,
so
we
have
passed
that
matter.
We
have
resumed
the
request
by
mr.
Friesian,
okay,
continuing
from
our
December
11th
2018
meeting.
We
continued
that
new
applications
application.
There
were
19
day,
six:
zero,
zero,
zero
six
requests
from
office
to
plan
residential
at
8:28,
Richland
Avenue
by
the
Merriam
Development
Group.
We
also
continued
the
application
number
19,
2
0
0
the
concept
plan,
approval
request
at
8:28,
Richland
Avenue
by
the
Marion
Development
Group.
E
However
much
much
of
the
density
is
being
created
by
it
by
the
units
in
the
hospital
we're
proposing
66
units
in
the
hospital
and
if
you
were
to
carve
out
the
hospital
and
say
the
nurses
building
the
the
land
that
includes
it
would
include
that
parcel
the
hospital
would
be
over
over
density.
So
a
lot
of
the
a
lot
of
the
the
units
are
being
built
in
that
in
the
hospital,
and
that
is
a
requirement
for
the
sale
of
the
property.
When,
when
the
county
passed
its
ordinance,
we
were
required
to
repurpose
the
hospital.
E
Secondly,
we're
filling
for
new
construction
buildings,
each
building
would
have
24
units
and
then
another
revision
we
made
as
we
added
we
add,
an
open
space
and,
more
specifically,
recreational
open
space.
So
we
transformed
the
existing
parking
lot
in
front
of
the
hospital
into
an
active
green
space.
E
E
We've
also
added
a
we've
shown
the
courtyard
here
for
the
hospital
that
that
will
be
a
patio
and
an
active
green
space
for
the
for
the
residents
of
the
hospital,
and
then
we've
also
added.
This
is
the
detention
basin
and
we
will
we'll
landscape
that
to
create
that
create
a
site
amenity
rather
than
just
a
big
hole
in
the
ground.
A
Okay,
you
got
you
say
you
got
66
units
in
the
in
the
hospital
building.
Yes,
sir,
and
24
in
is
that
you
might
call
it
building
a
I,
guess
four
and
then
24
in
another
building,
building
B
for
two
additional
buildings
with
20
for
each
yes,
sir
three
for
Parkman's
each
and
then
well,
where's
the
rest,
but
you're
asking
for
where's
the
remaining
thirty
or
so
or
forty
okay.
A
E
B
E
B
B
E
D
E
E
A
E
G
E
E
A
E
Residential-
it's
not
in
our
plans
right
now,
but
if
we
had
a
local
person
who
wanted
to
open
a
coffee
shop-
or
you
know
something
like
that,
you
know
we
would.
We
would
entertain
that
I
think
one
of
the
biggest
reasons
why
we
chose
plan
residential
and
doing
all
residential
is
because
you
know
we
want
to
build
housing
that
supports
the
downtown
economy,
not
detracts
from
it.
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A
H
H
H
D
Is
one
section
of
the
neighborhood
to
another
section?
I
just
don't
think
we
need
to
do
that
because
that's
not
what
we're
here
for
we're.
Gonna
discuss
the
marion
project.
You
know
we
have
that
kind
of
insight
on
stuff.
It
probably
get
people's
the
wrong
impression.
So
I
appreciate
what
you're
doing,
but
I
just
think
when
we
compare
neighborhoods,
then
we're
just
doing
something
that
is
not
a.
H
Concern
it's
like
I,
said
I'm
76
years
old.
If
I
need
to
do
a
reverse
mortgage
on
my
house
in
order
to
live
the
rest
of
my
life
and
I've
worked
until
last
week,
you
know
I,
don't
want
anything
going
in
there
and
it's
nothing
against
anybody
I.
Just
when
people
don't
have
skin
in
the
game
and
things
I
don't
want
something
to
happen.
There.
That's
gonna,
take
away
the
value
right,
how's
that
I
might
need
to
take
care
of
myself.
The
rest
of
my
life
and.
A
H
Unlike
like
calmy
Landing,
where
it's
maintained,
people
can
buy,
they
can
ran
thick
and
you
know
and
I'm
not
saying
just
elderly
care.
I'm
saying
you
know
a
development
where
there's
more
flexibility
and
it's
not
just
all
rental
kind
of
thing
so
and
I
do
think
the
density
matters.
So
you
know
I'm
sorry
if
that
offended
somebody
bringing
it
up,
but
it's
one
heck
of
a
record.
If
you
read
it,
so
we
want
to
make
sure.
H
G
Though,
because
there
are
a
lot
of
laws
and
regulations
that
come
into
play
with
this,
and
we
need
to
be
careful
as
a
Planning
Commission,
first
of
all,
first
of
all,
but
I
think
it's
prudent
to
the
to
the
people
here
in
the
public
that
they
understand
the
difference
between
the
two.
So
I
would
make
that
recommendation
that
Ryan
kind
of
give
us
a
quick
synopsis
of
the
whole
issue
that
play.
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30
percent
of
their
income
goes
toward
rent
the
housing
voucher
if
they
find
a
landlord
won't
even
take
a
housing
voucher.
It
takes
makes
up
the
difference
between
that
and
what
average
rent
is
in
the
area
as
published
by
HUD.
What
low-income
housing
tax
credits
are
is
a
program
by
which
housing
can
be
financed.
C
So
half
of
your
population
is
under
media
and
the
60%
of
media
income
is
particularly
what
it
started
by
low-income
housing
tax
credits
when
you
build
affordable
housing
targeted
toward
those
which
are
typically
not
service,
working
type,
family
units,
the
the
based
on
construction
cost
and
a
number
of
other
factors.
Typically,
don't
finance,
there's
a
financing
gap.
What
low-income
housing
tax
credits
allow
is
for
a
financial
institution
with
a
large
tax
liability
to
partner
with
the.
A
So
look,
nobody
wants
to
do.
We
don't
want
to
do
anything
and
that's
gonna
hurt
anybody's
property
values.
We
understand
that
so
I
think
that's
I,
think
it's
it's
incumbent
upon
us
to
look
at
that,
and
we
do
look
at
that.
And
but
we
do
have
a
piece
of
property
here
and
it's
it's
certainly
not
in
a
state
now
that
anybody
wants
to
continue
in
so
at
some
point
somehow
someway
it's
gonna
be
developed,
so
we
just
hope
it's
the
best
way
for
all
concern.
That's
that's!
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I
I
I
A
The
you
know,
frankly,
my
biggest
issue
or
the
problem
is
the
density
issue
with
the
proposal
and
I.
Don't
know
the
economic
ramifications
of
that.
Mr.
Duffy
tells
us
that
if
you
don't
allow
the
density
waiver,
then
the
project
is
not
viable,
I
mean
and
that's
if
that's
the
way,
it
is
that's
the
way
it
is.
You
know
we
have
to
decide
whether
it's
it's
something
that
we're
willing
to
waive
or
or
not,
or
whether
the
City
Council
is
willing
to
waive
it.
A
J
Good
evening,
I'm
Martin
Buckley
live
on
to
night
road
and
they
can
I've
got
a
couple
of
concerns
with
this.
The
this
is
a
gateway
to
Aiken,
it's
a
large
site,
a
good
site,
a
historic
site
and
a
difficult
site.
It's
difficult
because
of
the
terrain,
and
it
that
and
high-density
will
not
help
that,
in
fact,
a
lower
density
would
make
the
whole
project
better
if
it
can
be
done
that
way.
There
are.
The
considerations
are
the
history.
It
would
be
nice
to
keep
the
nursing
home
if
it
can
be
kept.
J
J
88
team
cars,
an
acre
or
more,
the
the
cars,
are
going
to
take
up
more
space
in
the
building
and
then
the
buildings,
the
high
density
is
going
to
make
it
a
whole
lot
more
difficult
on
a
difficult
site,
a
sloping
site
and
it
would
be
and
having
some
land,
that's
not
used
by
parking
or
building
is
a
good
thing,
some
greenery
and
and
where
it
already
has
lead
that
way
a
bit.
There
is
now
green
in
front
of
the
hospital,
which
is
a
good
thing,
but
the
density
is
is
going
to
be
a
problem.
J
The
waiver
will
increase
the
density
and
the
not
gonna,
not
gonna,
help
things
at
all.
Now
this
I
think
we
probably
don't
all
agree
about
this,
but
I
think
this
is
not
a
bad,
not
a
bad
project
for
Kentucky,
but
I'm,
not
sure
it's
the
project
for
Aiken
the
way
it
is
now
I
think
it
could
be
tweaked
a
little
for
us.
A
Well,
that's
what
you
look
at
is,
as
you
know,
as
as
a
Planning
Commission
and
there's
a
there's,
a
rough
analogy
between
density
and
cost
I
mean
obviously
the
more
density
you
have,
the
more
reasonable
you're
able
to
offer
the
cost
of
the
either
the
the
unit
to
buy
or
the
unit
to
rent
the
less
density.
You
have
roughly
your
your
cost
per
unit
and
goes
up,
and
so
it's
a
trade-off
there.
It's
a
bit
of
a
balancing
act
that
you
try
to
do
that,
to
make
the
make
that
make
it
work.
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K
Hello,
my
name
is
Laura
Bagwell
I
live
at
2111,
solstice
Meadow,
Lane
I
just
had
a
procedural
question.
I've
heard
some
comments
that
sound
like
they
might
be
more
concerned
with
the
concept
plan
and
not
with
whether
or
not
you're
considering
the
rezoning.
So
are
we
this
body
at
this
point
only
considering
the
rezoning
we're.
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K
K
K
A
A
E
L
My
name
is
Elizabeth
Burgess
I
live
at
two
eight
zero
to
South,
Carolina,
Avenue
I,
think
my
son
probably
has
thrown
stones
from
the
hospital
that
have
landed
in
my
backyard.
I
really
appreciate
that
the
Planning
Commission
has
been
very
thoughtful
and
very
thorough,
I
hope
you
will
continue
to
pursue
a
high
standard
of
living
for
all
residents
and
Aiken
at
all
incomes.
L
One
of
the
concerns
that
I
have
with
this
project
is
that
I
was
here
at
the
last
meeting
and
the
updates
he
described
tonight
are
those
that
it
seems
we
throw
in
nothing
everything
I
know
it's
your
job,
we're
thrown
in
at
the
end
of
having
been
in
Aiken
and
realizing
that
there
was
a
lot
of
negative
feeling
toward
the
high-density.
So
these
updates
don't
seem
any
more
specific
or
any
more
detailed
than
they
had
been
at
that
time.
L
I
think
that
trading
a
twenty-four
unit
building
for
the
eighth
unit
in
the
nurses
building
would
actually
be
very
beneficial
to
the
project.
It
might
be
an
investment
on
one
level,
but
if
those
apartments
rent
for
more
money,
then
there's
other
low
income
apartments
that
helps
balance
that
right,
trying
to
maintain
a
economically
feasible
project,
I
think
better
apartments,
a
better
feeling
overall
will
get
more
renters,
and
that
will
give
you
mixed
income
renters,
which
I
think
is
important
and
I.
L
Don't
like
the
idea
that
they're
going
to
start
with
the
hospital
and
two
buildings
and
then
two
more
buildings,
if
they're
needed,
if
they're
not
sure
that
they
need
the
whole
property,
if
they
are
not
sure
that
they
need
that
density,
why
give
it
to
them?
I
think
that
the
city
has
invested
a
lot
in
that
area.
Eustace
Park
is
a
great
example.
L
I
think
the
site
is
worth
further
investment
both
by
whomever
is
building
there
and
by
the
recommendations
coming
from
the
Commission
and
I
would
also
like
to
point
out
that
you
know
that's
a
lot
of
parking
lots
for
that
density
too,
and
maybe
including
something
like
bike
paths
or
connectivity
to
downtown
pedestrian
paths.
Traffic
and
things
like
that
over
to
Eustace
Park
might
be
worthy
of
consideration.
So
I'd
like
to
see
some
more
details
fleshed
out
personally
in
this
concept
plan
and
I.
Don't
think
that
the
increased
density
is
a
necessity.
Thank
you.
A
M
Named
Susan
French
I'm,
a
retired
historic
preservation,
planner
with
the
city
of
Aitkin
and
I,
live
on
the
south
side
of
town
I
thought
about
this.
My
main
issue,
of
course,
is
placement
siting
which
are
all
things
that
have
to
do
with
Design,
Review
and
I.
Look
at
the
the
pictures
of
the
Front's
of
these
buildings
and
I
think
about
the
lay
of
the
land
and
the
gradient
going
down
and
I.
M
Remember
that
we
on
more
than
one
occasion
and
we
read
about
it
all
the
time
we
are
starting
to
see
people
demand
sort
of
a
topographical
map
of
the
location
when
I
look
at
how
long
these
buildings
are
with
the
apartments
and
they're
flat
and
they're
on
grade,
and
then
I
think
about
how
that
land
steps
down
I,
don't
see
it
fitting
I
think
it
would
be
very
important
to
see
visually
what
those
buildings
would
look
like
on
that
property.
Did
you
see
what
I'm
saying
with
that?
M
We
demanded
it
from
just
a
couple
of
developers
who
were
doing
condos
because
we
for
many
reasons,
but
these
just
look
like
they're
built
on
a
slab
on
a
flat
piece
of
land.
This
is
not
what
we're
dealing
with
and
I
just
think
for,
looks
and
I'm
not
talking
anything
else,
but
look
slightly
all
those
things,
because
that's
what
I
care
about
and
what
everybody
should
care
about
to
see
what
this
is
actually
gonna
look
like
it
can
be
done.
J
N
This
attraction
may
be
because
these
groups
appreciate
the
aesthetic,
cognitive
and
moral
value
adaptive,
reuse
projects
present
number
two
with
the
economic
shift.
People
are
investing
and
spending
on
experiences
and
not
things.
Small
towns
with
historic
character
have
been
the
places
that
have
had
the
most
momentum.
The
soonest
adaptive,
reuse
of
the
nurse's
building
strengthens
the
experience
of
downtown
historic
Aiken
number
three.
N
The
adaptive
reuse
of
the
nurse's
building
provides
a
clear
view
of,
and
even
accentuates
the
main
Aiken
hospital
building,
as
well
as
provides
a
beautiful
gateway
and
authentic
introduction
into
historic,
downtown
Aiken
demolition
of
the
nurses
building
and
in
its
place
a
new
apartment
building
along
Vaucluse
and
Richland
Avenue
would
obstruct
one's
view
of
the
hospital
building
and
be
the
first
thing.
One
sees
when
traveling
at
Richland
a
boo
into
downtown
historic,
Aiken
and
number
four
one
of
the
most
important
reasons.
N
The
adaptive
reuse
of
the
nurse's
building
provides
physical
evidence
lending
to
a
more
encompassing
accurate
story
of
the
Aiken
winter
colony,
as
demonstrated
by
current
historic,
downtown
Aiken
Aiken
winter
colonists
were
less
concerned
with
leisure
and
more
concerned
with
cultivating
a
lifestyle
based
on
the
ideals
of
the
American,
Arts
and
Crafts
movement.
The
movement
was
Millie's
mainly
supported
by
middle
and
upper-class
Americans,
especially
women
and
synonymous
with
the
Progressive
Era.
N
So
between
about
1880
in
the
1930s,
both
movements
emphasized
pre-industrial,
ISM
sentiments
and
high
thinking
as
an
antidote
to
the
ill
effects
and
blighted
urbanization
being
caused
by
the
Industrial
Revolution.
What
was
esteemed
was
nature,
health
and
exercise,
especially
that
out-of-doors
pre-industrial
revolution,
architectural
styles,
local
materials
and
superb
craftsmanship
country
day,
schools
and
women.
As
doers
and
reformers,
the
nurses
building
contributes
to
the
telling
of
how
the
Arts
and
Crafts
movement
shaped
historic
Aiken.
The
nurses
building
was
built
about
1940
and
design
like
the
main
hospital
building
in
the
Arts
and
Crafts
style.
N
N
If
anyone
wants
to
look
at
that,
both
the
nurses
and
old
Aitken
hospital
buildings,
together
with
the
organic
locally
sourced
sandstone
wall
blend
harmoniously
with
the
surrounding
natural
landscape,
the
nurses
and
main
hospital
buildings
continue
the
story
of
the
first
fakin
hospital
building
it
too
being
designed
in
a
culinary
viable
version
of
the
Arts
and
Crafts
style.
The
first
Aiken
hospital
building
was
constructed
about
1917
by
the
local
renowned
african-american
construction,
firm,
McGee
McGee.
N
They
also
built
the
Fermata
Club
clubhouse,
which
is
also
designed
an
art
sequester
on
more
of
a
bungalow
style
and
due
to
the
charitable
efforts
of
a
group
of
Aiken
winter
colonists.
So
please,
let's
and
let's
encourage
the
adaptive
reuse
of
the
nurse's
building
for
the
betterment
of
Aiken.
Thank
you
good.
A
O
O
O
That's
an
expensive
proposition
to,
and
that's
all
I
want
to
make
sure
everybody
realizes
is
that
the
more
restrictions
you
put
on
this
property,
the
harder
is
going
to
be
to
find
any
developer
that
can
figure
out
how
to
use
it
effectively
to
the
satisfaction
of
our
community.
So
it's
just
an
economics
question.
The
cost
of
the
land
is
very,
very
important.
It
drives
away
a
lot
of
potential
developers
and
then
the
the
the
requirement
to
use
the
hospital
facility
also
will
drive
away
some
developers.
Some
can
make
it
work,
but
that's
a
cost.
O
A
Mean
I:
your
remarks
are
absolutely
true.
It's
it's
a
balancing,
your
balancing
issues
here,
you're
trying
to
preserve
the
hospital
and
reuse
the
hospital.
That's
almost
a
liability
economically
from
an
economics
purely
from
an
economics
money
viewpoint.
Preserving
that
hospital
is
almost
a
liability
now.
That
may
be
something
that
the
city
wants
to
do.
However,
for
historical
reasons
or
whatever,
that
may
be
a
building
we
want
to
preserve.
So
we
just
have
to
accept
that
you're
gonna
make
some
trade-offs.
If
you
preserve
that
building.
That's
that's
all
part
of
it.
It's
it's
not!
P
Good
evening,
I'm
Tilden
Hildebrand
with
Houston
Hildebrand
I,
wanted
to
address
just
a
few
things
that
were
mentioned
tonight.
So
far.
The
property
has
two
potential
reasonings
one
is
RMH.
The
developers
chosen
plan
residential
at
RMH
rezoning
what
allows
17.4
units
per
acre
2500
square
feet
per
unit
which
would
allow
162
units
on
the
property.
However,
the
developer
chose
planned
residential
and
Paul.
If
you
could
flip
back
to
the
site
plan,
he
chose
planned
residential,
so
he
could
place
these
buildings
and
locations
with
more
flexibility
than
you
would
see.
P
A
standard
just
building
parking
lot
in
front.
The
planned
residential
allows,
more
flexibility
of
setbacks
and
and
locations
of
buildings
and
parking
lots
on
the
property
also
planned
residential
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
Ryan
also
allows
the
city
to
further
scrutinize
a
project
related
to
the
type
of
architecture.
P
P
You
know
that
I
think
that's
saying
a
lot:
the
minimum
requirements
40
that's
a
lot
of
open
space,
that's
a
lot
of
land
that
that
could
be
utilized
for
development
and,
as
was
stated
just
a
second
ago,
the
project's
got
to
be
cost
effective,
not
trying
to
be
funny,
but
these
guys
aren't
doing
this
for
fun.
They're
doing
this
to
make
to
make
money
and
a
certain
minimum
number
of
units,
so
they
have
to.
They
have
to
have
on
this
site
to
make
it
work
financially.
P
Susan
French
mentioned
the
topography.
Yes,
the
topography
is
a
challenge
on
this
site.
We
haven't
done
the
topo
yet
because
that's
a
lot
of
money
for
this
developer
to
spend
before
he
gets
to
the
point
of
knowing
whether
he
can
even
do
this
or
not.
However,
if
you
saw
those
buildings,
there
is
some
areas
on
the
buildings
where
foundation
walls
could
be
installed.
There
are
ways
to
accommodate
the
topography.
Q
City
of
Aitkin
I
just
want
to
make
a
point
about
the
first
building
nearest
the
hospital.
This
is
the
size
it's
going
to
be
and
I'm
concerned
about
the
visual
impact
that
it's
going
to
have
on
Richland,
Avenue
and
I,
just
like
to
note
that
in
the
first
concept
plan
that
they
showed,
they
showed
a
building
down
at
what
mr.
Q
Duffy
referred
to
as
the
left
end
of
the
project
where
the
playground
is
now
and
I'd
like
you
to
consider
whether
the
visual
impact
of
the
project
would
be
better
if
this
building
were
moved
down
to
where
the
playground
is,
and
it
would
have
the
added
benefit
of
perhaps
preserving
the
nurses
home.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
we
have
to
now
have
a
discussion
here
among
the
Commission
members
as
to
what
we're
going
to
do
and
how
we're
going
to
approach
it.
We
got
two
issues
out
there:
the
request
for
the
rezoning
and
the
concept
plan
approval
the
rezoning
is,
you
know
we
can
yes
or
no
up
or
down
the
mountain.
The
concept
plan
approval.
C
Say
I
think
the
board
had
mentioned.
It
may
be
helpful
at
this
point
to
go
over
the
options
that
the
board
can
take.
Okay,
so
so
the
board
has
board
is
making
a
recommendation
to
City
Council
the
code
for
a
plan
residential
in
the
concept
plan
which
are
tied
together,
say
the
City
Council
may
require
any
additional
special
conditions
to
ensure
compatibility
with
surrounding
development,
preservation
of
natural
or
historic
features,
preservation
of
adequate
infrastructure
and
creativity
at
design.
C
So
essentially
again
within
the
residential
planned
residential
zone
criteria,
it
allows
for
an
exchange
essentially
of
you
can
ask
for
waivers
in
return
for
something
that
would
be
a
benefit
to
the
site.
The
board
essentially
has
a
few
options.
You
can
recommend
approval,
granting
the
waiver
you
can
recommend
approval
with
conditions.
C
C
There
have
been
some
discussion
again
of
density
and
just
running
some
just
to
make
sure
that
the
calculations
right
just
so
you
kind
of
understand
the
various
density
on
the
site,
so
the
hospital
by
itself,
three
half
of
the
hospital
by
itself
is
roughly
seven
units
to
the
acre,
the
hospital
plus
the
two
that
are
being
called
face
to
describe
collectively,
I
guess
as
a
first
phase
of
development.
That
would
be
roughly
1/12,
which
is
consistent
with
the.
So,
if
we're
just
those
two
things,
it
wouldn't
require
a
waiver.
C
The
is
so
then,
therefore,
it's
the
full
site
that
gets
you
to
the
to
the
one
sixty
which
again
is
comparable
to
our
high
density.
Multifamily
development
it'd
be
consistent
with
that
zoning
district.
However,
again
that
district
would
not
be
permitted
to
allow
this
general
site
design
and
so
I
would
yeah
staff
would
be
able
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
would
have,
but
essentially
those
four.
C
It
right
there,
the
rezoning
in
the
concept
plan,
go
hand-in-hand
in
the
zoning
ordinance.
Essentially,
you
can't
rezone
something
in
our
ordinance
to
a
plan
district
without
having
an
approved
concept
plan
with.
Essentially
what
you
see
there
becomes
the
zoning
and
any
change
to
that
any
significant
change
that
requires
that
to
come
back
through
the
Planning
Commission
and
City
Council
process.
A
A
And
I
don't
know
that.
There's
there's
a
good
answer
to
that.
Frankly,
because
he's
this
mr.
Duffy
has
made
it
pretty
plain
that
that's
a
deal-breaker
with
him.
If
we
change
the
density,
so
I
think
if
we
don't
waive
the
density,
I
think
in
effect,
that's
that
ends
that
that
ends
the
deal.
You
all
agree
with
that.
No
okay,
well.
F
F
They've
asked
for
this
particular
zoning
to
give
them
more
flexibility
to
make
these
buildings
look
more
attractive.
If
you
will
so
they're
sort
of
caught
between
a
rock
and
a
hard
place
if
they
went
with
the
hide
the
high-density
zoning
that
would
that
would
meet
the
zoning,
then
they
lose
their
flexibility.
A
A
D
Have
a
concern
with
the
density,
but
also
listen
to
its
first,
the
hospital.
It's
taken
up
a
lot
of
it,
the
part
that
I
really
have
a
problem
with.
If
we
vote
on
this
tonight,
then
we
got
to
go
back
to
the
Design
Review
Board
to
find
out
what
their
recommendation
will
be.
Song-Like,
which
seemed
like
whip
the
horse
before
the
car.
A
A
B
A
A
B
Chair
that
just
for
clarification,
so
if
we
were
to
vote
in
favor
of
the
concept
plan
with
the
waiver,
but
tonight
we
still
for
the
next
we're
gonna
have
to
entertain
this
historic
overlay
decision
from
the
DRB.
That's
right,
that's
correct!
So,
no
matter
what
we
decide
to
do
tonight,
we're
gonna
be
right
back
here
again,
it's
custom
gratifications
of
a
decision
from
the
DRB
a
month.
From
now.
L
C
A
Yeah,
okay,
yeah,
so
we
well,
you
know
I
guess
you
know
we
could
continue
it
if
it's
the
mood
of
the
Commission.
We
could
continue
it
until
next
month
until
we've
considered
that
issue
and
then
and
I,
don't
know
what
that
would
do
to
the
to
the
to
the
developer,
but
I
agree:
I
mean
we
there's
there's
a
lot
of
issues
out.
There
me.
B
They
go
hand
in
hand,
I
mean
I
I,
don't
like
to
keep
the
can
down
the
road,
but
the
decision
the
DRB
made
was
was
vital
to
his
his
development
as
I.
Understand,
as
is
this
we're
gonna,
be
having
these
same
discussions
and
our
next
meeting
with
perhaps
probably
the
same
folks
in
the
audience
telling
us
again
their
opinion
and
some
of
them
I
agree
with,
but
I
agree
with
David
Jamison
from
an
economic
standpoint:
I,
don't
we
don't
want
to
scare
developers
out
of
here
I
mean
a
lot
of
times.
B
We
see
these
proposals
for
rezoning
around
akin
of
areas.
We
want
to
kick-start
from
an
economic
vitality
and
there's
a
lot
of
resistance
for
that,
because
people
don't
like
change,
I
understand
we
got
to
do
it
smart,
but
but
if
we
make
these
decisions
that
or
so
make
it
so
hard
for
these
folks
to
come,
develop
the
these
vacant
areas,
lady
elude
the
crime
earlier
well,
one
they
stay
vacant.
What
do
you
think's
going
to
happen?
I
mean
they're,
gonna,
they're,
gonna
I
swear
crime,
gonna
curl.
B
A
B
B
Yeah
well
I
think
it's
important
that
we
keep
that
in
mind
when
we
look
at
some
of
these
and
I
understand
the
importance
of
granting
waivers,
because
they're
forced
for
the
hardship
of
developing
what
I
think
is
going
to
be
a
monumental
task
and
developer
and
repurposing
a
hospital,
but
I
struggle
struggle
with
the
density.
Even
though
I'm
aware
that
the
hospital
skews
the
number
I
understand
that
so
that's
my
motion
would.