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From YouTube: Design Review Board September 6, 2022
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Design Review Board
September 6, 2022
6:30 PM
Call to Order
Minutes
Old Business:
none
New Business:
A) Application CERD23- 001007: Applicant Carl Zipf requests approval to remove the
existing landscaping and add a Columbarium and Memorial Garden on the south side of
the Sanctuary at 120 Chesterfield ST N ( TMP 121- 22- 08- 001).
B) Application CERD23- 001011: Applicant Roosevelt Wise requests approval to perform
multiple improvements and repair work to the dwelling at 119 Union ST NE ( TMP 121- 22-
05- 010).
C) Application CERD23- 001013: Applicant Cameron Scott of Cheatham Fletcher Scott
Architects + Designers requests approval to construct a new two- story classroom
building on the southeast corner of Richland Ave and York St ( TMP 121- 22- 06- 001).
D) Application CERH23- 003: Applicants Paul and Beth Sauerborn request approval to build
an addition on the existing accessory structure in the rear of the property at 549
Highland Park Dr SW ( TMP 105- 36- 02- 001).
E) Application CERH23- 004: Applicants Lawrence and Collette Ball request approval to
repair the masonry wall surrounding the property at 405 Colleton Ave SE ( TMP 121-09-
06- 001).
F) Application CERH23- 005: Applicant Cassandre Perard requests approval to repaint, add a
staircase, and implement several repairs at 253 York ST SE ( TMP 121- 29- 07- 003).
Adlournment
B
A
A
Good,
okay,
all
in
favor
of
approving
August,
2nd
to
me
minutes
for
the
work
session.
Regular
meeting
raise
your
right
hand,
good.
Okay,
thank
you.
Now
we
have
just
a
little
bit
of
housekeeping
I,
guess,
you'd
say
one
of
our
applications.
After
conferring
with
our
legal
counsel,
we
we
believe
that
one
of
these
I
believe
it
was
the
cyberborn
003
application
actually
doesn't
require
our
vote.
A
A
F
G
A
A
A
A
A
The
application
okay
and
we
we
had
a
a
little
bit
of
informal
discussion
about
it
previously
in
the
work
session.
Do
you
all
have
any
other
questions
of
Mr
zip
who's,
presenting
this
on
behalf
of
First,
Baptist
Church
and
for
the
audience?
This
is
a
columbarium
that
they
want
to
install
on
the
south
side
of
the
sanctuary,
I
believe
it
doesn't
come
any
higher
than
the
windows.
G
A
A
A
C
C
Because
this
project
is
in
keeping
with
our
old
Aitkin
design
guidelines,
especially
in
sections
2.14
and
the
findings
that
it
it
really
doesn't
change
the
function
that
much
of
the
area.
It's
not
disturbing
the
sidewalk.
It's
not
absurd
obstructing
the
the
views
from
the
window,
it's
in
keeping
with
the
cemetery
function
of
the
area,
and
it
just
seems
to
fit
in
with
our
guidelines
nicely
and.
C
H
I
A
We
we
had
a
pretty
good
informal
discussion
about
it
in
the
work
session,
but
do
you
all
have
any
other
questions
about
that?
I
think
she
expressed
the
desire
to
maybe
see
what
is
under
the
artificial
side,
see
what
the
condition
of
the
that
is
correct.
Original
siding
is
like,
because
I
think
you
need
to
paint
whatever's
either
this.
A
Siding
or
the
siding
below
it,
the
house
has
got
a
lot
of
interesting
and
very
ornamental
trim
on
it,
and
so
we
hope
we
hope
that
you
can.
You
know,
give
that
a
better
setting
than
it
has
right
now.
Absolutely
you
have
to
look
closely
to
see
the
ornamental
detail
that
it
has
and
we
understand
you
have
to
do
a
new
new
railing.
Yes,
we
talked
about
that
that
our
board
would
be
open
to
potentially
on
an
artificial
railing
if
it
can
be
remember
the
wedding.
A
G
C
I
A
Yeah
Rebecca,
can
you
can
you
rotate
that
go
back
to
the
photos
to
see
the
chimneys
yeah
it's
hard
to
see
up
there
with
that
light
on
it,
but
there's
there.
If
just
in
that
photo,
we
see
one
that's
to
the
right.
That
actually
is
probably
part
of
an
addition,
so
don't
know
that
it's
a
primary
fireplace
chimney,
but
there's
one
right
in
the
center
of
the
house
that
actually
has
some
detail
to
the
top.
Yes,
most
of
us,
I
believe
would
feel
like
that's
worth
trying
to
preserve
it.
Actually.
I
B
C
C
G
F
A
F
A
A
A
Okay,
well,
I
think
we
could
have
a
motion
then
on
this,
but
if,
if
you
all
wouldn't
mind,
not
only
referencing
our
design
guidelines
but
reference,
these
particular
points
that
we
just
made
regarding
the
two
chimneys.
We
are
keeping
it'll
help
the
building
inspections
department
later
on
and
I
think
there
was
when
you
make
the
motion,
you
may
want
to
add
that
the
owner
was
interested
in
investigating
the
original
siding
to
see
if
it
could
be
refurbished
and
painted
y'all
could
give
that
permission.
If
you
want
an
emotion.
C
A
Well,
I
think
they
we
actually
referred
them
to
the
historic
palette
that
might
give
them
a
little
give
them
more
options
than
just
the
green.
That's
there
now,
okay,
but
it
would.
They
would
need
to
bring
that
back
the
the
particular
the
historic
color
palette
from
Benjamin
Moore,
but
you
can
buy
a
compatible
one
from
any
any
paint
store
right.
A
A
A
K
L
K
A
A
C
As
submitted
with
the
following
changes
that
we
would
allow
the
two
rear
chimneys
to
be
removed
per
discussion
and
that
the
owners
be
allowed
to
investigate
the
siding
to
see
if
they
maybe
could
uncover
the
metal
and
go
with
a
if
it's
a
wood,
a
good
condition,
wood
lap,
siding
that
that
would
be
acceptable
to
do
that,
if
not
than
to
repaint
the
existing
metal.
Siding.
C
Also
that
the
owners
would
investigate
the
Benjamin,
War
historic
palette
and
see
if
they
would
like
to
do
a
different
color.
If
they
would,
they
could
come
in
and
do
a
quick
administrative
approval
with
the
office
and
not
have
to
go
back
through
the
full
meeting,
and
also
that,
rather
than
what's
noted
in
the
application
for
metal
front
pickets
on
the
front
porch
that
we
would
prefer
them
to
go
with
some
type
of
turned
Style
pickets,
which
could
be
artificial
or
would
either
one
and
then
I.
C
Think
the
rest
of
the
things
are
noted
in
the
application
are
appropriate.
And
so
basically
we
find
this
application
to
be
not
in
the
historic
district.
But
in
the
downtown
business
district.
It's
in
keeping
with
our
old
Aiken
design
guidelines,
specifically
section
5.1,
and
that
we
are
extremely
happy
that
they
are
taking
on
this
project.
C
A
A
Though
you
be
good,
if
you
brought
that
in-
and
it
doesn't
have
to
be
that
green-
it
just
needs
to
be
one
of
the
historic
colors
and
and
then
Rebecca
would
be
your
contact
for
that.
Okay.
So
we
have
a
motion
and
we
have
a
second.
We
have
discussion
any
other
discussion,
all
in
favor
of
the
application
as
we
mended
it
raise
your
right
hand.
A
A
A
M
Yeah,
it's
in
fact,
probably
our
footprint
for
our
building
will
actually
reduce
the
amount
of
impervious
Paving.
That's
currently
there,
because
it
it
now
goes
from
Rich
and
the
sidewalk
at
Richland
Avenue.
All
the
way,
yeah
back
to
pretty
much
have
three
quarters
of
the
property
line.
We're
only
going
to
probably
go
back
two-thirds
and
then
one
also
not
going
to
be
right
up
to
the
sidewalks
on
Richland
Avenue
in
York,
so
there'll
be
some
planting
to
give
some
relief
on
the
streets.
So,
if
anything,
we're
reducing
the
yeah.
G
A
M
G
M
M
I
imagine
it'll
probably
be
no
two
two
feet,
probably
at
the
most
just
we'll
we'll
have
to
we'll
have
to
have
an
overflow
feature.
That'll
we'll
take
the
storm
water
out.
We
got
to
take
it
all
the
way
out
to
Richland
Avenue
on
the
other
side
of
the
parkway,
because
there's
no
there's
no
stone
storm
sewers
on
York
or
this
side
of
Richland
Avenue.
So
we're
going
to
have
to
pipe
it
probably
Jack
and
boar
across
the
Parkway
and
get
it
get
it
over
to
a
catch
Basin.
M
A
M
G
M
M
It's
a
good
question:
John
I
can't
say
I've
gotten
to
that
point.
Yet
I
would
imagine
if
this
pole
overhead
lines
we'll
we'll
probably
come
down
and
then
trench
underneath
the
electrical
room
is
not
too
far
from
this
fire
stair
exit,
so
it'll
it'll
be
coming
in
on
that
side,
but
I.
Imagine
yes
we'll
be
bringing
that
portion
of
it
underground.
So
I
I
really
haven't
checked
to
see
where
our
current
utility
pole
is.
C
M
The
property
we're
right,
picking
up
some
of
the
elements
of
Saint
Angela
Hall,
and
that
has
some
steep
pitches
on
it.
And
then
the
Steep
pitch
here
also
helps
us
to
create
a
screen
for
the
mechanical
equipment
on
the
roof.
So
there's
it's
probably
a
little
bit
steeper
than
I
would
like
to
do,
but
we're
going
to
try
to
try
to.
F
M
We
anticipate
current
schedule
now
is
we're
gonna.
Do
the
design
development
pricing
in
about
a
month
and
a
half
and
then
for
everything
all
numbers
are
in
line
we'll
continue
with
construction
documents
into
November,
December
or
probably
toward
the
end
of
January,
we'll
try
to
get
hard
numbers
yeah
and
then
I
think
the
spring
we're
looking
probably
to
try
to
maybe
break
ground
about
March,
okay,
2023
somewhere
in
there.
A
M
We're
we're
we're
beginning
design
development
right
now,
so
I
want
to
get
disapproval
or
if
we
need
to
change
anything.
We
want
to
know
now
so
that
we
can
make
our
changes
and
we'll
yeah
we're
going
to
start
developing
getting
the
engineers
involved
and
Josh
and
electrical
engineers
and
stuff
and
start
getting
more
detailed,
see
where
we
are
financially
on
it,
like
making
sure
we
stay
in
our
budget
right.
N
M
M
M
B
B
M
I
mean
it's
you
just
you
don't
know
one
day,
it's
this
material
and
then
the
next
day
it's
that
material
and
you
know
McDonald
you're,
probably
seeing
it
out
there
I
mean
it's
just
crazy.
Oh
no
I
we're
we're
hoping
that
things
kind
of
settle
down
by
the
time.
We
start
this
and
hoping
the
pricing
settles
down
and
we
you
know,
but
this
is
still
crazy
out.
There
I
mean
it
really.
It
really
is
I
mean
we've
got
projects
that
you
know
fire
alarm
panels.
M
M
M
K
B
M
Yes,
when
does
I
think
these
are
storefront,
so
I
think
storefronts
I
haven't
had
a
problem
with
storefront,
yet
so,
but
Windows
like
Marvin
Pella,
Anderson,
Eagle
yeah.
Those
are
pretty
long
lead
time
now.
So
it's
just
you
don't
know.
I
mean
solid
wood,
core
doors
that
we
use
in
all
our
commercial
projects.
M
A
Those
are
all
it's
relatives
concerns
yeah
good.
Thank
you.
If
we
don't
have
any
other
questions
we'll
see.
If
anybody
here
would
like
to
speak
in
favor
of
the
new
school
building,
there
I
think
it's
kind
of
be
a
major
Improvement,
that's
out
of
town
when
we
get
all
the
materials
here
now.
Would
somebody
anybody
opposed
you're
welcome
to
speak,
don't
see
anyone,
so
we
can
entertain
a
motion.
Somebody
yeah.
C
G
O
The
wall
is
currently
damaged,
severely
damaged,
along
with
the
wrought
iron
and
is
unsavageable,
and
so
we
would
like
to
rep
repair
or
keep
as
much
of
the
the
current
brick
as
we
can
and,
of
course,
if
we
cannot,
we
are
willing
to
replace
the
wall
and
we're
requesting
that
the
Wall
go
to
the
height
of
six
feet.
Five
inches
tall.
O
The
current
wall
is
about
four
feet
with
the
20
inch
brick
wall
and
the
24
inch
wrought
iron
that
is
totally
damaged,
and
you
can
see
from
the
pictures
that
there's
been
erosion
due
to
age
structural
damage,
mature
trees.
You
know
along
the
the
wall
that
has
caused
much
of
the
damages
that
are
there.
B
A
Yeah,
so
you
see
cracks
in
various
places
on
the
low
wall.
You
can
see
one
right
there
to
the
yeah
to
the
left
of
the
column
and
then,
of
course,
the
the
column
on
the
corner
is,
is
ready
to
fall
over
and
we
have
another
picture.
I
don't
know
what
it
came
through.
Of
that
someone
was
asking
about
the
rail,
the
you
couldn't
really
see
the
Ornamental
Iron
in
there
did
that
come
in
right.
G
C
A
C
A
A
K
C
O
B
C
I
B
C
O
J
A
But
that's
a
good
view
to
compare
Heights
I
think
you
can
barely
make
out
the
height
of
the
ivy
in
between
being
about
six
and
a
half
feet,
so
I
think
what
y'all
are
asking?
Can
you
bring
this
other
wall
up
to
that
height
and
perhaps
it'll
be
white
painted
brick?
But
that's
one
thing
to
keep
in
mind:
do
we
want
to
go
ahead
and
approve
more
or
less
a
Whiskey
Road
type
wall
around
the
front?
You
want
it
to
be
all
the
way
around.
So
yes,.
O
O
K
K
A
A
O
A
A
Maybe
a
repair
you
all
can
decide
how
you
want
to
make
your
motion
a
repair.
You've
got
several
sections
just
have
to
be
removed
and
and
there's
guidelines
about
how
you
how
you
repair
and
fix
cracks.
It
doesn't
say
anything
about
when
a
tree
is
in
the
way,
but
I
think
that'll
be
in
have
to
be
a
kind
of
a
creative.
O
O
O
You
mean
the
color
of
that
brick
that
brick
color
is
still
in
existence.
The
Brick
Mason
sent
me
a
color
of
that
particular
brick
and
we
were
thinking
to
go
redder,
but
you
know
we
could
use
that
color,
but
that
has
more
of
a
blue
background
to
it.
Has
blue
in
it,
and
you
can't
see
it
here,
but
it's
it's
red
with
blue
I.
Don't
know
what
you
call
that,
but
it's
a
darker
red,
it's
not
a
true.
It's
not
a
the
brick
red
that
you
saw
back
in
the
1920s.
It's
not
that
color.
G
A
A
A
O
A
A
But
again,
we've
even
got
concerns
about
adding
more
brick.
We
don't
know
you,
don't
know
what
kind
of
footing
you
have
there
and
it
doesn't
have.
It
may
not
have
the
the
column
the
support
it
needs.
The
vertical
support.
I
can't
really
tell
from
photos
that
it
needs
every.
So
often
you
have
a
column
that.
O
A
O
A
O
A
J
I
O
C
Yes,
I
do
miss
ball.
You
know,
you've
got
a
beautiful
home
in
a
beautiful,
neighborhood
and
and
I
know,
you're
very
proud
of
it,
and
the
new
wall.
You're,
describing
you
know
it's
six
foot
five
inches
with
columns
I
think
would
fit
in
your
neighborhood
I.
Think
what
you're
requesting
is
reasonable
for
your
neighborhood
and
it
would
probably
be
a
better
proportion
to
the
proportions
of
your
house
and
the
wall.
C
It
goes
on
to
say
the
repair
should
utilize
approval
preservation
methods
in
order
to
retain
the
historical
character
of
the
enclosure
in
thinking
about
the
age
and
the
unusual
design
of
the
wall
that
you
currently
have
I'm.
Having
trouble
understanding
how
our
guidelines
would
allow
a
tall
wall
and
I
was
wondering
if
you
could
comment
on
that.
O
O
So
we
we
decided
not
to
make
the
fence
the
the
wall
equal
to
the
seven
feet,
five
inches,
because
we
thought
was
just
a
little
too
tall
and
we
wanted
to
make
sure
it
wasn't
all
wall
that
the
house
would
still
be
aesthetically.
You
know
beautiful
and-
and
you
know
and
seen
so
so,
I
do
think
it's
within
your
guidelines.
O
Know
on
the
premises,
instead
of
outside
the
way,
we're
doing
now
make
a
nice
driveway
in
the
back
where
we
can
drive
in
the
back.
So
you
know,
based
on
what
you
said:
Mr
McHale
much
of
the
brick
half
of
the
brick
may
not
be
salvageable,
but
if
half
of
it
is
salvageable,
then
that's
what
we
would
do
in
the
preservation
of
the
brick
did
I
answer
your
question:
I'm.
C
O
It
is
very
unique
and
it
would
be
very
difficult
for
a
brick
mason
to
maintain
that
today
and
especially
on
a
six
foot,
five
inch
wall,
I
I,
think
if
the
outside
of
the
wall
is
you
know
preserved,
then
you
know
that
would
be
ideal,
but
as
far
as
going
back
to
a
planner
in
the
middle
I,
just
don't
think
it's
feasible.
It's
not
and
I,
don't
think
it's
functional
either
to
do
that.
O
A
A
O
K
K
A
O
A
If
we
were
having
more
questions
we'll,
if
not
we'll
see,
if,
if
anyone
here
would
like
to
speak,
no
thank
you.
Thank
you
Colette
for
this
ball
for
bringing
this
in
and,
if
you'll
be
on
standby
there
would
anyone
like
to
speak
in
favor
or
in
opposition.
This
is
a
real
difficult
on
a
challenging
problem
here
with,
with
with
a
portion
of
this
wall,
that's
almost
not
repairable,
it
seems
to
me
like,
if
you
repaired
it,
you
may
not
end
up
with
what
what
they
had
originally
any
other.
A
P
Louis
ronaldini
638,
Magnolia,
Street
I,
would
like
to
I
would
like
to
commend
the
board
on
its
it's
processing,
citing
guidelines
and
worrying
about
them.
I
would
just
make
a
comment
in
this
particular
case.
You
have
a
slightly
different
situation
where
I
think
Ben.
You
raised
a
good
point.
It
doesn't
you
know,
what's
being
proposed,
doesn't
fit
the
historical
design
manual
I
think
it's
called
for
the
historic
district.
P
This
is
a
historic
district
and
I
think
you
know
it
would
be
appropriate,
for
example,
and
that's
just
for
consideration
for
future
process
with
important
historic
buildings
like
this
one.
We
should
try
to
do
a
record
search
of.
Does
a
museum
have
a
photo?
Does
the
Aiken
Standard
have
a
photo,
there's,
probably
three
or
four
sources:
I,
don't
want
to
cause
problems
for
people
by
making
them
Search
Everything
But.
If
you
search
three
or
four
important
sources,
you
can't
find
anything.
P
If
we
find
that
this
was
original
to
the
house,
it
would
make
it
more
complex
and
then
I
think
also.
We
should
look
formally
at
an
estimate
of
what
it
would
cost
to
preserve
things.
It
might
turn
out
to
be
cheaper
to
replace
cast
iron
and
you
might
even
make
it
six
feet
high
than
to
do
it
in
Brick,
who
knows
I
mean
brick,
walls
aren't
inexpensive
and
replacing
cast
iron
might
be
less
expensive
than
than
putting
in
Brick
and
I
I.
P
Don't
want
to
make
your
life
more
difficult,
but
I
think
just
some
of
the
things
I
I
think
it's
really
to
your
discretion
to
decide
what
to
do
in
this
case,
because
you've
got
the
weapons
that
you
have
at
your
disposal
or
the
no
I
wouldn't
say
weapons.
The
the
instruments
you
have
at
your
disposal,
but
I
think
for
a
good
process
going
forward.
It
would
be.
It
would
be
useful
that
way
when
residents
come.
They
know
a
consistent
formula
is
going
to
be
followed
and
you
look
at
it.
P
You
can
do
your
homework
in
advance
and
even
when
the
applications
come
in
say
have
you
done
a
record
search?
Maybe
we
can
help
you
with
some
of
these
buildings.
We
know
where
some
you
know
older
photos
are
with
others
less
so
anyway,
that
that
would
just
be
my
comment.
I'm
I'm,
very
much
in
favor,
of
having
a
good
preservation
approved,
so
I'm
not
trying
to
be
I.
I.
Don't
want
this
to
be
taken
as
a
negative
comment
on
this
particular
application.
Thank
you.
C
You
mind
if
I
have
a
question,
so
you
know
I
think
you
had
some
good
suggestions
about
record
searches
and
I,
appreciate
you
taking
the
time
to
step
up
and
and
make
those
recommendations.
As
far
as
the
cost
approach,
you
know,
our
design
guidelines
say
that
we
cannot
consider
cost
as
part
of
our
decision
making
so
I'm,
not
sure
that
would
be
appropriate.
Yeah.
P
Guidelines
and
if
it's
sufficiently
damaged
already,
which
it
may
be
that
it
justifies
demolition,
then
you
get
into
what
does
it
cost
to
preserve
versus?
Not
you
know,
I
think
you
could
look
into
that,
because
you
know
that
might
be
a
way
to
go,
to
approve
a
demolition
and
then
propose
something
to
replace
it,
and
that
might
get
you
out
of
your
mind
about
the
guidelines.
Don't
allow
me
to
like
to
do
that
unless
the
demolition
Provisions
generally,
as
we
know,
because
we've
had
this
discussion
on
other
subjects,
require
you
to
say.
P
We
looked
at
preservation,
Alternatives,
they're,
not
viable,
and
therefore
we
can
approve
the
demolition
of
the
older
structure
because
we
tried
to
save
it,
but
we
couldn't
and
then
we
have
to
think
about
what
replaces
it
and
then
it
should
be
in
Conformity
with
the
neighborhood
and
that
would
I
don't
know.
I
mean
I.
Think
that's
really
for
you
all
to
debate
as
to
how
you'd
like
to
approach
these
things,
because
you
know
it
is
in
a
very
important
location
in
town
and
it
isn't.
P
A
L
B
P
A
To
put
an
ornamental
iron
in
a
planter
that
you
can't
paint
okay,
thank
you.
Now,
we've
had
one
last
comment
and
I
think
we
could
have
a
motion
unless
you
had
something
you
needed
to
come
back
and
add
I'm,
not
sure
what
else.
What
else
we
can
say
at
this
point
other
than
you've
got
this
problem
and
you're
trying
to
now
that
you're
the
new
owner.
A
A
And
the
application,
literally,
if
I
I'll,
repeat
I,
believe
they
would
like
to
the
first
thing,
keep
in
mind:
approval
to
of
reconstruct
the
brick
wall
to
a
higher
elevation,
approximately
six
and
a
half
feet
that
matches
the
the
wall
That's
further
down.
Colleton
and
the
the
two
options
then
are:
if
you
prove
that
height
then,
would
it
be
original?
Would
it
would
be
the
original
white
brick
and
painted
white,
or
would
it
be
a
whole
new
wall?
O
A
O
A
A
J
I
feel
like
we're
sort
of
at
an
all
of
the
above
options:
Point,
okay
and
it's
hard
to
make
a
motion
to
say
yeah.
You
can
do
whatever
you
want
all
of
these
options.
It's
like
I
feel
like
we
do
need
a
little
bit
of
research
on
what,
even
if
we
could
go
back
and
find
the
records
for
the
new
seven
and
a
half
foot
wall,
but
I,
don't
even
think
we're
tying
in
there.
I
think
she's
wanting
it
to
be
a
little
shorter
when
it's
the
same
wall
and
the
same
property
I.
A
Think
so,
yeah
I
agree
that
there
are
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
options
here,
but
the
the
first
one
I
think
has
to
do
with
the
height
whether
it's
six
and
a
half
or
seven
whatever
it
it.
It
isn't
it's
two
feet
now
with
some
Ornamental
Iron
and
some
shrubbery
would
we
approve
them
going
to
a
higher
height
with.
A
Up
to
them
that
they're
going
to
be
deciding
that,
then
the
next
question
would
be
if,
if
they
it
sounds
to
me
like
they'd,
rather
it
be
red
brick,
but
but
I
think
you
do
Circle
back
to
the
height
it's
height.
Okay,
with
you,
that's
the
the
the
existing
you
know,
while
in
whatever
shape
it's
in
is
not
six
and
a
half
feet.
High
and
I
believe
we
said
well,
actually
a
house
this
size
maybe
merits
a
taller
wall.
We've
actually
said
that
about
small
Cottages.
A
If,
if
you
wanted
to
make
a
motion
that
if
they
found
that
the
the
it
was
not
practical
to
try
to
build
on
top
of
that
and
I
think
they
may
find
that
to
go
up
six
and
a
half
feet
that
you
would
approve
a
new
wall
in
red,
brick.
I
think
you
could
probably
make
a
motion,
but
the
main
thing
is:
is
it
okay
to
go
six
and
a
half
feet
or
not?
F
A
G
B
E
G
A
A
O
O
I'd
like
to
get
this
done,
except
as
expeditiously
as
possible,
we
I'm
meticulous
I
I,
like
things
done
now,
I
I
want
my
house
to
look
a
certain
way.
We
bought
this
house,
it's
a
historic
home
and
we
knew
what
the
criteria
was
buying
this
home,
that
we
would
have
to
preserve
it
and
to
preserve
it
with
the
wall:
dilapidated
badly,
structured,
it's
not
in
good
keeping
for
the
community.
For
us
as
owners,
we
spent
a
lot
of
money
for
this
house
and
and
I
know.
O
A
J
A
O
Her
cow
I
think
well,
I'll.
Tell
you
why?
Because
the
previous
owners
built
that
wall
to
hide
a
chicken
coop
okay
and
they
must
have
gotten
approval,
I
I'm,
assuming
they
got
approval,
maybe
they
didn't?
Maybe
they
just
built
it,
but
that's
what
he
said:
I
asked
him
and
so
being
a
preservationist
like
I
am
I
decided
Well.
You
know,
let's
keep
them
at
seven
and
five
and
let's
go
down
to
six
five
so
that
they'd
have
their
legacy
on
the
wall.
O
A
A
A
K
J
That
we
continue
it
to
the
next
meeting
and
request
a
more
detailed
drawing
of
exactly
what
we're
approving
I
feel
like
we've
talked
about
a
lot
of
options
tonight
so
that
you
can
go
back
with
equipped
with
more
information
and
make
some
more
definitive
decisions
related
to
what
you
want
and
then
it
if
we
get
it
drawn
properly
with
the
gates,
so
that
we
can
see
the
proportion
with
the
gates
and
things
like
that.
Then
it'll
just
be
a
slam
dunk
next
time.
But
it's
right
now.
I
feel
like
we're
all
of
the
above
options.
A
Okay,
thank
you
that
makes
sense,
I
think
the
application
is
is
sort
of
well
it's
it's
a
it's
actually
a
proposal
to
try
to
build
on
top
of
that,
try
to
reuse
as
much
of
that
as
you
could
and
I
think
you
felt
like
you
sort
of
needed
to
do
that.
To
preserve
some
of
it.
I
want
to
get
through,
it
won't
be
the
same
wall
and
it
may
be
unstable,
so
the
application
in
a
way
is
it's
it's
hard
to
to
do
what
you've
asked
to
do.
I'm
I'm
saying
here.
A
B
A
Maybe
not
and
how
you
would
do
it
if
you,
if
you
did
a
new
wall
and
what
it
would
look
like
and
what
height
it
is,
and
you
need
to
do
that
anyway,
to
to
get
a
contractor
to
price
it
out
to
do
a
simple
drawing.
We
have
people
bring
in
drawings
all
the
time
that
a
scale
drawing
of
the
height
and
then
what
how
wide
The
Columns
are.
That's.
A
You
said
I
want
to
build
a
new
wall
around
my
house.
We
would,
we
would
say
well
where's
the
drawing
I
I,
think
it'll
be
for
the
good
of
of
your
of
your
property
as
well,
and
also
just
less
headache
later
on,
as
you
get
into
this,
if
you
had
an
actual
description
visually
because
I
think
building
on
that-
and
maybe
you've
had
some
Masons
look
at
it,
it
it'll
be
real
tricky
to
do
that,
and
and
certainly
to
try
to
make
it
red.
A
C
I'm
still
concerned
about
the
historical
aspect
of
the
wall,
and
so
in
as
part
of
the
continuance
modify
the
motion
to
do
further
research
on.
Is
it
really
a
historical
wall
or
not,
because
I
think
we
are
dealing
in
the
heart
of
the
historic
district
here
in
Aitkin
and
that
we
that's
a
question
we
need
to
answer
and
if
it's
not
a
historical
wall,
then
I
think
what
miss
ball
has
proposed
is
certainly
appropriate
for
the
neighborhood
and
I
actually
think
for
her
size.
Requirements
are
very
appropriate.
C
D
B
K
A
You
know
I,
don't
remember
who
the
original
I
wasn't
around
I'm,
not
quite
that
old,
but
the
original
owner,
but
I
know
what
a
servant
made.
The
addition
to
it
and
I
think
what
you're
you're
telling
us
is
that
that
used
to
be
a
low
red,
brick
wall
with
Ornamental
Iron,
and
that
would
be
nice,
but
it's
sort
of
a
mess
now
I.
Think
that's
your
conclusion
too.
Yeah.
B
K
E
A
N
Yes,
sir,
we're
just
trying
to
get
approval
to
replace
the
windows
on
the
structure
which
I
believe
were
already
approved
in
the
application
expired,
and
we
want
to
go
back
with
the
same
type
of
same
style,
of
Windows
on
the
existing
structure.
So
the
six
over
six
double
hung
windows
and
then
we're
also
seeking
approval
for
the
stairway
Edition
on
the
rear
of
the
building.
N
K
C
We'll
you
know
Mr
McGee,
the
house
is
in
certainly
certainly
in
need
of
a
lot
of
work
and
so
I.
Thank
you
and
congratulate
you
on
taking
this
endeavor
on
the
windows
are
certainly
in
desperate
need.
I
appreciate
the
fact
that
you're
going
the
extra
mile
and
spending
the
extra
money
to
to
do
it
in
keeping
with
our
guidelines
and
I
know.
That's
not
easy.
C
G
K
D
N
Thought
about
that.
Yes,
I've
mentioned
that
to
her
a
couple
times
and
she
actually
we
have
an
older
picture,
it's
a
black
and
white
picture,
but
it
did
have
shutters
on
it
before
before
the
siding.
That's
that's
how
another
reason
I
know
it's
clapboard,
because
the
old
pictures
are
clapboard
right
that
had
black
shutters
well
I
guess
they
were
black.
It's
a
black
and
white
picture
right.
It
had
shutters
all
along
the
along
the
building.
So.
C
N
C
G
C
Okay
and
and
I
would
I
would
even
go
so
far
is
to
say
that
that
if
you
decide
to
do
that,
that,
maybe
that's
something
we
could
say
that
could
come
back
for
a
minute
since
we're
kind
of
already
looking
at
it
and
not
have
to
go
through
a
full
board
meeting,
just
just
to
make
that
modification,
and
normally
you
probably
would
have
to
do
a
full
board
meeting.
But
if
we
make
it
as
part
of
the
motion
that
it
could
be
an
administrative
approval,
it
might
help
you
a
little
bit.
N
B
N
N
The
stairwell
would
just
be
to
access
that
rear
portion
of
the
building.
Like
I
said
she
wants
to
turn
what
is
currently
three-story,
one
bedroom
or
three
three
story,
one
unit.
She
wants
to
make
it
three
individual
units
and
the
only
way
we
could
do
that
is
if
we
have
some
kind
of
exterior
access
to
all
three
floors
and.
N
N
She
kind
of
snuck
that
in
on
me-
and
that
was
wasn't,
wasn't
ready
for
that
yet,
but
you
know
if
we
can
get
approval
for
that,
then
that'll
help
us
with
planning
going
forward
and
budget
and
everything,
but
the
main
focus
was
to
get
the
the
windows
repaired
because
there
are
a
lot
of
them
that
are
missing,
pains
and
you
know
so.
She's
got
rain
issues
and,
of
course,
Heating
and
Cooling,
with
missing
glass
and
stuff
like.
N
K
K
P
Lewis
rinaldini,
638,
Magnolia
I,
didn't
hear
any
discussion
or
references
to
the
new
staircase
and
what
the
guidelines
say
about
that
I'm,
not
that
familiar
with
the
guidelines
but
I
think
that
should
be
an
element
and
the
discussion
and
I
think
other
than
that.
Anything
that
helps
this
building
get
restored.
P
P
Matter
of
practice,
it
would
be
good
to
understand
who
the
speaker
is
in
relation.
The
name
doesn't
appear
anywhere
in
the
application
that
I
see
Mike
McGee
he's
a
contractor
I
understand,
but
that
would
be
useful
for
the
public
to
know
so
that
we
understand
that
just
I
think
the
application.
You
know
it's
somebody's
going
to
speak
to
clear
that
up
that
that's
useful
for
the
people
in
the
audience.
Thank
you.
O
K
H
H
C
B
D
G
K
C
After
reviewing
these
sections
and
looking
at
the
application,
I
feel
like
the
application
does
meet
the
intent
of
our
guidelines
for
all
of
these
areas.
I
also
would
like
to
recommend
to
the
board
for
the
board's
consideration
that,
if
the
applicant
decides
to
add
shutters
that
they'd
be
allowed
to
do
so
with
an
administrative
approval.