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From YouTube: Design Review Board Work Session March 2, 2021
Description
Design Review Board Work Session
March 2, 2021
5:30 PM
Call to Order
Old Business
1) Consideration of revisions to the Historic Overlay District Approval Matrix.
New Business
1) Pre-Application Conferences.
Adjournment
A
Welcome
everybody
to
the
work
session,
it's
a
little
after
5
30,
and
this
is
a
an
informal
work
session.
But
occasionally
we
will
have
applicants
come
to
this
lectern
in
the
middle
and
that
way
we
can
hear
you
with
the
pa
and
generally
it
will
be
discussion
amongst
us
in
preparation
for
a
regular
design
review
board
meeting.
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Hey
and
for
those
in
attendance
who
are
not
board
members,
if
you
will
just
sign
if
you
did
not
sign
on
the
way
in
make
sure
that
you
you
sign
the
sign
in
sheet
on
your
way
out
of
the
meeting,
I
have
a
couple
of
additional
submittals
and
I'll
bring
those
up
as
we
cover
each
topic.
I
think
that's
all
my.
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A
I
think
what
we'll
do
we'll
go
ahead
and
we
you
know
we
have
a
matrix.
I
think
we
can
work
on,
but
we'll
save
that
for
last,
but
the
first
one
we
have
as
far
as
the
work
session
was
the
12
30
richton
avenue,
development
for
a
convenience
store
and
some
rental
space,
and
I
guess
we'll
go
ahead
and
invite.
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Yeah
that'd
be
that
would
be
helpful
and
then
they
can
be
incorporated
into
your
in
your
drawings
because
well,
we
know
you'll
come
back
for
an
official
review
and
hopefully
approval,
but,
but
I
think
probably
some
of
us
would
have
had
some
questions
about
the
chain
link
fence,
but
that
goes
back
to
the
engineering
department
requiring
some
sort
of
a
barrier
to
the.
You
all
understand
that
the
front
on
ritzen
avenue
east
there
will
be
two
depressions.
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But
the
retention
ponds
will
have
to
be
enclosed
in
some
type
of
fencing.
The
civil
engineer
had
gone
ahead
and
put
chain
link
fence
because
it's
it's
kind
of
standard,
but
in
discussion
we
were
talking
about
doing
the
the
three
rail
fence
and
looking
at
the
site,
there's
actually
a
property
right
next
door.
That
has
the
exact
same
thing,
so
it
would.
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To
fit
in
right,
the
I
think
the
first
question-
and
I
believe
I
got
an
answer
to
it
earlier-
was
that
because
of
the
slope
and
also,
I
guess,
the
outlet
for
the
water
there's
no
way
to
let
it
go
out
the
back,
so
the
ponds
end
up
being
in
front.
Unfortunately,
you've
got
a
convenience
store.
That'll
have
a
six
foot
fence
right
at
the
very
front
which
in
ideal
for
retail
or
convenience
stores,
so
it
might
be
a
win-win
if
y'all
were
able
to
incorporate
what
we've
always
called
a
paddock
fence.
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Yes,
as
we,
I
shared
the
same
information
with
you,
but
before
the
board's
knowledge,
it's
a
requirement
of
the
land
development
regulations
that
these
detention
ponds
be
fenced,
typically,
a
minimum
height
of
six
feet.
But
the
precedent
has
been
that
if
the
engineering
or
the
city
engineer,
the
director
of
engineering
and
utilities
is
comfortable
with
a
variation
of
that
they
can
go
for
less.
So
we
spoke
and
he
was
comfortable
with
five
feet
and
he
was
comfortable
with
the
the
horse
fence.
As
long
as
it
were
a
smaller
a.
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A
Engineering
wants
something
narrower
got
it,
so
you
can't
climb
so
well
that
if
that's
acceptable
to
you,
I
think
if
y'all
want
to
go,
incorporate
that
and
of
course
run
it
through
engineering
as
well.
But
that's
one
thing
our
guys
would
want
to
know
what
what
is
this
thing
going
to
look
like
from
the
street,
the
other?
A
I
guess
why
we're
talking
about
the
pond.
The
the
way
these
folks
are
trying
to.
I
think
your
engineering
firm
is,
is
just
planting
little
shrubs,
every
three
or
four
feet,
apart
by
a
necessity,
they're
trying
to
hide
the
chain-link
fence
and
hide
your
store.
So
it
would
appear
to
me
that
if
you
had
a
decent
looking
fence,
it
doesn't
need
it
might
need
some
planting.
Probably
engineering
requires
some
planting.
Do
we
know
well.
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It
fit
it
was
it
fit
in
with
the
building
since
we're
doing
a
flat
face
there.
If
we
did
any
type
of
mansard
that
projected
out
it
would
because
this-
and
let's
see,
I
could
probably
show
it
better
yeah
here
we
go
this
projects
out,
but
these
columns
and
that
dotted
line
going
over
there
yeah
project
out
as
well,
and
so,
if
I
did
a
mansard
it
would
the
the
face
of
it
would
project
out
from
that
level
and
be
a
little
bit
odd.
So
I
went
with
the
the
flat
awning
right.
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It
really
is
yeah
and
wisconsin's
look
good.
You
know,
especially
with
the
up
down,
I'm
not
sure.
If
that's
something
I
would
expect
to
see
in
a
downtown
overlay
district,
though
you
know,
with
that,
looking
more
of
a
more
of
a
modern
look
with
that
up-down
sconce,
and
so
I'm
not
sure
if
I
would
say
that's
appropriate
for
this
location.
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Yeah,
I
guess
he's
I
guess
he's
weighing
in
on
maybe
a
more
lantern
type,
it's
sort
of
a
decorative
fixture,
because
you're
going
to
have
tons
of
light
from
that
canopy
right.
You'll
probably
have
wall
packs,
at
least
on
the
other
three
sides
right
shining
out,
and
so
here
these
are
sort
of
decorative.
So
your
I
guess
what
I'm
hearing
these
guys
may
want
to
see
something
a
little
more
traditional,
rather
than
just
a.
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Tell
that
all
looks
to
be
crazy.
I
think
this
dining
space
might
be
an
addition
victoria.
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
weigh
in
on
that
to
me
that
looked
like
an
add-on
just
from
the
way
the
roof,
it's
got
a
more
hip
roof
on
it.
This
section
here
has
the
one
big
gable
roof
on
it,
and
then
this
is
the
reverse
gable.
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So
I
don't
know
why
the
ridge
shifts
it
may
have
been,
because
that
ridge
was
going
to
come
out
higher
than
the
other
than
the
main
house
ridge.
I
don't
know,
but
it
it
really
aggravate
it's
another
problem,
getting
ready
to
happen.
If
there's
some
way
to
get
a
valley
to
just
go
straight
out,
instead
of
having
the
valley
run
into
the
to.
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Actually,
I
can't
I
can't
follow
exactly
what
you're
saying,
but
the
reason
that's
20
feet,
because
if
you
look
at
this
drawing
closely,
the
middle
part
is
actually
part
of
the
original
house
in
the
in
the
back.
So
I
actually
had
to
the
addition.
This
master
suite
actually
is
the
only
place
that
we
can
have
another
bedroom,
another
bathroom
and
a
laundry
room
at
hall,
so
that
20
feet.
I
really
tried
to
make
it
shorter
than
that
that
the
property
does
extend
in
a
triangle,
so
you
can't
really
come
out
the
other
way.
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You
know
actually
well,
while
we
have
in
this
workshop.
I
would
like
to
actually
ask
you
about
some
of
the
things
I've
proposed
in
the
front,
because
we
want
to
park
the
car
in
front
of
the
house,
and
I
mean
not
in
the
right
of
way
next
to
the
road,
because
it
blocks
the
view
of
the
house.
But
the
side
of
the
house,
which
I
have
in
that
drawing.
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That
might
help
okay,
I
just
listen
to
the
phone
yeah.
So
before
we
end
here,
I
would
like
to
have
you
give
me
some
feedback
on
what
we're
proposing
for
the
front
of
the
house,
because
marion's
going
to
be
doing
the
architectural
drawing,
but
I
also
want
to
move
forward
on
some
of
those
things
we
proposed
in
front
that
are
going
to
be
visible
from
colton
avenue.
You
know
the
road
we're
going
to
park
the
car,
the
piers
we're
going
to
have
those
hedges
retained.
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You
know
if
anyone
looks
at
that
railing,
I
want
to
make
sure
that
you
know
that
railing
is
going
to
have
to
go
because
it's
not
it's
not
original
and
it
actually
the
post
was
moved
and
I
want
to
bring
the
post
back
to
where
it
originally
was,
and
those
crosses
are
all
at
each
one
of
those
spaces
is
different,
so
none
of
those
crosses
are
even
even
though
I
do
like
the
crosses.
I
was
proposing
to
not
have
a
railing
there.
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I
believe,
speaking
of
railings,
I
believe
that
we've
seen
some
railings,
maybe
at
a
previous
in
a
previous
application
that
were
that
looked
like
they
were
from
made
from
one
by
eights
and
they
were
cut
in
profiles
they're
flat
and
they're
more
solid
than
than
the
pickets
are.
That
may
be
a
appropriate
for
a
little
cottage
like
this.
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It
was
pretty
life-changing
and
I'm
lucky
that
I'm
standing
here
today
in
front
of
you,
I'm
still
suffering
significantly
from
that,
but
it
was
at
bruce's
field
where
I
stepped
my
first
steps
back
on
to
a
show
grounds.
I
watched
my
mayor
compete
with
my
best
friend
riding
and
I
felt
a
little
bit
of
hope
again.
I
That's
when
I
drove
around
the
corner
and
saw
two
notch
and
my
my
heart
jumped,
and
I
saw
a
mother-daughter
pair
riding
around
the
corner,
and
it
reminded
me
of
the
days
when
I
was
a
child
and
my
mother
was
dragging
the
horse
trailer
from
north
carolina
to
come.
Show
an
aiken
and
do
something
special
for
her
daughter
and
the
live
all
the
large
oak
trees
and
everything
it
just
resonated
with
me.
I
I
Abs,
absolutely
I
actually
have
a
quote
to
that.
One
of
my
one
of
the
first
things
that
I
noticed
was
the
main
drag
that
I
was
enamored
by
driving
down
as
a
child
was
actually
the
drag
that
the
debutantes
would
ride
their
carriages
on
to
meet
the
eye
of
a
suitor
and
as
a
debutante
myself.
I
find
that
wildly
romantic.
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I
Ran
across
the
polo
house-
and
I
just
feel
that
this
is
this-
is
a
place
that
I
would
like
to
enrich
and
I
hope
that
the
farm
can
grow
with
me
as
my
family
grows,
and
one
of
the
comments
about
the
accessory
buildings
that
I
was
reading
just
made
me
just
delighted.
I
just
and
they
said,
treat
an
accessory
building
like
not
like
a
structure
but
as
a
sculpture.
I
They
must
consider
the
surrounding
area
and
contribute
to
its
landscape
and
to
me
that
that
is
what
I'm
here
for
and
as
an
artist
and
a
sculpture
and
a
sculptor,
and
a
teacher
myself
this
this
environment
that
you
have
preserved
is
the
best
we
can
do
to
maintain.
It
is
what
we
need
to
do.
It's
an
honor,
yeah.
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A
The
the
the
the
regular
meeting
is
a
little
more
formal,
but
we
can
have
a
lot
of
give-and-take
and
input
back
and
forth
on
on
something
that
you
might
want
to
be
proposing.
So
you
have
some
changes,
then,
to
the
to
the
existing
there's
an
existing
little.
I
can't
really
tell
but
there's
a
cabin
is
that
wrong.
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I
It
says
that
it
is
it's
really
two
bedrooms
and
like
a
study
and
one
bathroom,
I
hope
that
ultimately,
we
could
discuss
a
way
to
add
another
bathroom
and
another
study
keeping
the
floor
plan
very
small
and
considerate.
I
also
have
my
first
ambition
would
be
to
put
a
small
barn
on
the
property
for
my
horses,
so
I
can
ride
to
hitchcock
woods.
I
I
I
I
intend
to
put
a
barn
right
here
with
about
five
stalls
and
open
up
some
of
these
paddocks
for
a
little
more
green
space.
My
horses
tend,
my
horses
are
in
large
pastures
now
and-
and
this
is
going
to
be
our
vacation
home
and
hopefully
over
winter
and
I'll-
never
go
to
florida
again,
so
my
husband
is
on
board
with
that.
So
these
will
be
it
whoops.
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Wash
or
something
so
that
would
be
a
question
that
comes
up
from
time
to
time
is
power
poles
and
how
you
how
you
run
power
in.
I
don't
remember.
I
guess
I
see
a
couple
power
poles
going
down
the
right
hand,
side
of
of
two
knives
so
somewhere
they'll
run
you'll
have
overhead
lines.
I
suppose
so
that'd
be
something
to
remember.
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My
my
initial
question
about
just
staying
outside
of
the
house
is
so
in
terms
of
orientation
and
in
keeping
with
the
offset
my
current
location
of
the
barn,
everybody
seems
to
have
just
interpreted
that
nodded.
Okay
in
terms
of
design,
I
choose
to
keep
it
up
with
the
same
barn
style
at
the
polo
club
behind
me
with
a
metal
roof
white
top.
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Yeah,
this
makes
it
a
little
bit
difficult
to
access
the
back.
Maybe
unless
you
did
do
that
drive
around,
but
those
are
those
are
things
that
maybe,
if
you
get
a
scale
drawing
of
your
plait
and
then
a
scale
drawing
of
your
house,
you
could
begin
to
sketch
out
the
loca
and
look
at
different
options.
I
think
I
don't
believe
we
have
any
hard
and
fast
rules
about
barn
design.
To
be
honest
with
you,
we
wouldn't.
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Yeah,
I
would
love
to
do
that
I'll.
Keep
looking,
because
the
porch
wrap
around
is
is
really
lovely.
The
roofs
are
pretty
a
pretty
basic
from
the
exterior.
Unless
the
only
thing
I
I
intend
to
do
it's
very
it's
a
little
dark
from
the
road
like
a
if
you've
driven
past
it
your
whole
life.
You
know
you
don't
notice
it
right.
So
really.
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A
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I
A
I
A
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A
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A
A
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I
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D
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D
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D
A
A
C
A
A
Goes
to
the
right
uncontributing
for
light
standards
can
just
be
no
certificate.
Okay,
now
removal
of
paint
on
a
contributing
property.
I
don't
think
that
has
to
come
this
full
board.
So
we
were
saying
how
about
if
you
want
to
do
that
on
contributing
that
you
could
just
come
to
the
planning
director
and
the
chairman.
Does
that
sound?
Okay?
You
see
the
red,
we
moved
it
over.
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E
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A
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A
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C
E
A
A
A
A
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C
A
Right
we
already
did
that
right,
okay!
Well,
no,
we
already
yeah.
We
moved
it
over
yeah,
okay
screening
in
porch.
I
think
the
landmark
things
definitely
should
go
back
to
the
board
right
and
non-contributing.
I
don't
see
why
it
couldn't
move
over
but
y'all,
okay,
yeah
and
then
then
on
portable
structures,
whatever
those
are
non-contributing,
doesn't
need
to
get
reviewed.
I
don't
believe
I
agree
because
yeah.
A
B
B
C
A
B
A
B
A
C
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H
A
A
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C
A
E
A
D
C
C
E
C
A
A
A
A
B
A
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F
B
D
B
H
A
A
G
D
G
E
A
H
A
A
H
C
D
A
D
A
D
A
We
can.
We
can
move
that
now.
The
landmark
I
would
I
would
in
this
case
I
might
think
y'all
would
want
to
see,
for
instance,
if
they
added
storm
winners
to
the
cultural
center.
Y'all
probably
won't
want
to
know
about
that,
so
we
we
probably
ought
to
move
that
to
the
left,
the
landmark
stormwood
window.
Absolutely
our
storm
windows
on
palomar
golf
club,
then
then
contributing
could
still
be
admin
and
then
non-contributing
you're
saying
maybe
you
don't
even
need
to
see.
D
A
D
B
A
So
we
we,
what
did
y'all
decide
about
new
windows
in
here?
This
is
a
new
new
item,
we're
going
to
leave
it
at
as
she's,
proposing
it
yeah,
okay,
yeah
and
then
you
needed.
I
think
what
you're
wanting
to
do
here
is
just
to
consolidate
the
replacement
window
issue.
Aren't
you
that
right
so
that
in
the
historic
district
anytime
they
replace
windows
we
ought
to.
We
ought
to
review
it,
at
least
at
the
staff
level,
okay
and
then
for
contributing
in
landmarks,
certainly
to
the
whole
board.
B
B
E
B
The
problem
is
that,
as
I
think,
we've
alluded
to
before
the
the
descriptors-
the
the
categories-
there
are
a
lot
more
categories
than
they're
like
when
we
talk
it's
very
simple,
contributing
non-contributing
landmark
those
that
survey
had
a
lot
more
options
like
contributing
to
eligible
district.
Not
the
vocabulary
is
different.
E
B
But
if
the
address
doesn't
show
up,
I
would
then
go
and
pull
the
map
from
the
historic
resource
survey
to
make
sure
that
it's,
it
didn't
get
included
and
there
just
hasn't
been
some
address
change
and
that
map
labels
each
parcel.
That
was
surveyed
with
a
number
and
a
unique
id
number.
So
then,
if
I
do
see
the
id
number,
I
go
back
and
pull
the
card
specific
to
that
number.
So
there
are
that's
it's.
I
prefer
that
people
just
call
because
it's
not
yeah.
A
G
B
B
D
C
E
We've
considered
replacement
being
more
of
a
we
kind
of
went
back
and
discussed
how
replacement
would
be
more
of
the
oh.
Maybe
that
brings
up
a
good
point.
Maybe
that
will
be
there
for
a
catch-all
for
other
items,
one
style
something
out
for
another.
I
don't
know
we.
Some
of
these
we've
obviously
just
been
asking
in
the
office
like
what
was
this
used
for
what
was
what
was
it?
What
was
the
idea
behind
this
when
it
was
kind
of
thrown
in
here,
and
that
might
be
one
of
them?