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From YouTube: Design Review Board April 19, 2022
Description
Design Review Board
April 19, 2022
6:30 PM
Call to Order
Minutes
Old Business:
A) Application CERH22-043: Applicant Kristin Austin requests approval of pool/guest house construction at 539 Highland Park Drive SW (TMP 105-36-02-002). CONTINUED FROM MARCH 1, 2022 MEETING
New Business
A) Application CERH22-047: Applicant James Dean requests approval of stone driveway with accessible parking lot and ramp at 780 Whiskey Road (TMP 121-13-13-001).
B) Application CERH22-048: Applicants Rickie and Pamela Thornton request approval to enclose the front porch enclosure at 418 Whiskey Road (TMP 121-09-27-007).
C) Application CERD22-001025: Applicant Bill McGhee requests approval for chimney removal at 131 and 135 Williamsburg Street SE (TMP 121-06-10 005 & 121-10-01-001).
D) Application CERH22-050: Applicant Brian Supan requests approval to replace windows and garage doors and additional repairs at 468 Whiskey Road (TMP 121-09-26-005).
Information
Adjournment
A
A
I
think
march
1st
is
a
is
a
actual
meeting
and
a
work
session.
Then
we
have
a
special
work
session
march
17th,
so
we
actually
have
three
minutes
to
review
and
after
that
we'll
proceed
with
the
agenda
that
you
all
may
have
seen
a
copy
of
our
secretary,
mary
tilton
will
be
reading
the
application
and
when
she
reads
your
particular
application,
if
you
just
come
to
the
center
podium
that
has
a
microphone
and
and
state
your
name
and
your
address
and
then
anything
you
may
want
to
add
so
we'll
go
ahead
and
entertain.
C
A
A
A
F
F
House
does
have
that
lap
siding
on
the
upper
floors
and
then
all
the
way
around.
So
we
kind
of
thought
by
using
the
hearty
not
doing
the
board
and
batten.
But
just
doing
the
typical
horizontal,
hearty
plank
would
just
better
marry
back
to
the
house
and
then
adding
that
the
shake
shingle
just
to
kind
of
give
it
a
little
bit
of
added
texture.
Something.
A
G
F
H
A
F
A
A
F
A
F
F
That's
gonna
enter
into
that
will
all
be
open
and
vaulted
and
beams
across.
So
it's
like
a
little
living
room
and
then
open
kitchen
space,
and
that
then
the
whole
back
wall
has
the
doors
into
there's
like
a
bunk
room,
bedroom
kind
of
kid-friendly
room,
and
then
we
have
a
primary
bedroom
and
a
bathroom
in
the
center.
F
F
F
We
would
like
to
do
that
in
the
white
dove,
so
we're
still
getting
that
light
bright,
like
the
client
originally
wanted
for
everything
which,
for
the
record,
she
likes
this
better
now
which
was
great
but
and
then
that
way,
so
that
it's
not
too
much
of
a
contrast
to
the
main
house,
then,
using
that
same
the
lighter
shade
of
gray,
that's
on
the
main
house.
There.
A
K
A
A
H
F
H
A
D
G
A
A
F
F
It's
on
the
entire
pool
deck
yeah,
which
that
too
we
did
break
up
because
it
was
just
going
to
be
too
much
hardscape,
so
it
kind
of
breaks
where
the
landscape
architected
these
lawn
steps,
so
you'll
actually
have
green
space
right
in
between
for
the
main
pool
deck
level,
and
then
there
is
like
a.
I
think:
it's
like
a
six
foot
rise
up
to
the
full
house.
Patio
that
way
the
same
driver
team
would
continue.
F
D
F
A
F
A
J
M
H
M
On
on
whiskey
road,
it's
roughly
15
by
eight,
I
believe
the
size
15
across
the
front,
the
west
side,
and
it's
about
around
eight,
been
feet
from
early
80s
until
about
2005,
when
the
house
was
renovated
by
my
sister-in-law
and
her
husband,
and
at
that
time
it
was
put
back
as
a
screened
porch,
but
it
wasn't
really
put
back
like
it
was
before,
because
it
had
a
door
before
and
some
steps
and
they
just
completely
enclosed.
It
was
supposed
to
have
a
drainage
built
in
and
it
apparently
never
worked
it.
M
You
have
to
go
out
there
with
a
vacuum:
cleaner
shop
back
and
get
the
quality,
but
anyway
it
would
go
back
to
siding
that
would
match
the
siding
on
the
rest
of
the
house
and
we
would
have
a
single
window,
not
a
single
double
window,
on
the
whiskey
roadside,
which
would
match
up
in
size
and
window
configuration
whatever
you
call
it
with.
What's
currently
on
the.
A
M
The
porch
as
it
stands
is
pretty
much
unusable
because
the
trafficking
noise
and
the
fumes
coming
from
the
cars
waiting
for
the
whiskey
road
and
the
south
battery
light
to
change-
and
you
know
I
don't
know
how
many
cars
go
by
there
a
day,
but
I've
been
planting
zillions
in
the
front
yard
for
the
last
two
weekends
and
thank
god,
ford,
motor
company
still
makes
the
mustang
gt
because
you
you
know
when
one
goes
by
it's
it's
it's
it's
incredible.
The
noise
that
you
get.
A
M
A
There
weren't
very
many
I
mean
if
there
were
columns,
there
were
four
inch
columns
yeah
about
yeah.
They
were
not,
they
were
screen,
porch
columns,
yeah
yeah.
So
no,
I
think
that
we
understand
what
you
want
to
do
and
I
think
we
may
have
your
wife
assist
anybody
else,
making
an
application.
She
does
a
very
complete.
M
M
M
I
don't
know
what
you
call
it,
but
what
we'd
like
to
do
is
is
turn
it
into
more
of
a
holiday,
green
light,
holiday,
green
and
eventually-
and
we
may
do
this
in
the
next
year
or
so-
we
may
not,
but
we'd,
also
like
to
change
the
roof
color,
which
I
think
is
which
we
mentioned
in
the
application.
Also
from
this
brownish
gray,.
K
M
A
A
M
Yeah
one
of
the
problems
over
there
is,
you
know
right
across
the
street
is
a.
I
don't
know
how
tall
that
block
wall
is
there.
It's
been
stucco
yeah
and
that
just
bounces
more
noise
right
into
your
face,
because
we
did
that
when
we
lived
over
on
college
and
with
wilcox
wilcox
would
have
a
band,
he
would
pit
off
that
window.
I
mean
off
that
side
and
it
would
all
come
over
in
my
den
three
story,
but
fortunately
we're
on
the
back
side.
We
did
here
so
we.
A
M
M
A
M
A
K
D
A
Well,
it
has
a
precedent
for
one
time
being
enclosed
and
I
think
you
could
sort
of
go
on
the
owner's
desires
that
they
don't.
It
doesn't
change
the
roof.
If
somebody
wanted
to
have
a
port
deports
back
again,
a
third
time,
they
could
do
that.
Yeah
he's
not
really
he's
not
really
taking.
You
know,
removing
part
of
the
roof
or
adding
to
it.
It's
just
infill
the
way
it
was
in
2004.
H
G
A
I
think
we
can,
I
think,
we've
got
enough
information,
though
thank
you
we'll
ask
if
anybody
would
want
to
really
oppose
you
closing
closing
up
your
porch.
I
think
we
understand
the
advantage
of
enclosing
it.
Anybody
want
to
speak
you're
welcome
to
come
forward,
but
I
don't
see
anyone.
So
let's
have
a
motion
and
mr
chairman.
A
A
A
H
K
K
So
we
have
decided
that
we
would
not
like
to
replace
the
chimneys.
As
you
can
see
three
of
the
three
of
the
houses
that
are
not
owned
by
us.
Only
one
of
them
has
the
chimney
on
it.
Okay
and
the
brick
church
to
the
right
of
our
two
units
does
not
have
a
chimney,
so
we
are
saying
that
we
would
like
not
to
have
to
replace
those
chimneys.
D
K
D
K
Know
we
will
be
better,
we
can't
build
it
from
the
ground
because
we
need
the
space
where
the
chimney.
You
know
the
fireplace
is
connected
with
the
chimney.
Okay,
so
we
removed
the
fireplace
and
that's
where
the
bathroom
is
going
to
be
now,
so
we
would
have
to
go
up
and
put
a
chimney
on
top
of
the
roof.
Okay,
there
are
kits
that
can
do
that.
Yes,
and
or
we
could
rebuild
the
chimney
through
the
through
the
attic.
N
Thank
you.
It's
louis
renaldini
638
magnolia,
and
I
would
like
to
speak
in
support
of
mr
mcgee
application
briefly,
but
also
make
a
comment
to
the
board
that
I
find
it
ironic
that
the
board
has
spent
more
time
on
this
application
than
they
did
on
the
demolition
of
the
aiken
hotel
and
that,
as
a
result
of
that,
we,
some
of
us
feel
an
obligation
to
come
to
every
meeting
to
make
sure
that
the
board's
procedures
are
applied
faithfully
and
equally
to
all
applications.
B
D
N
I
would
point
out
that
the
bylaws
allow
five
minutes
for
one,
so
we
should
pay
attention
to
procedures.
We
have
transparency
and
the
procedure
should
be
applied.
Equally,
that's
what
I'm
talking
about,
I'm
not
talking
about
the
aiken
hotel.
At
the
moment,
I've
submitted
that
in
the
form
of
a
letter-
and
I
would
expect
that
people
who
are
acting
on
behalf
of
the
residents
should
be
looking
after
the
rights
of
the
residents
not
necessarily
sticking
to
absolute
form
and
procedure,
etc
on
small
things
and
then
ignoring
them
on
large
things.
N
O
Good
evening,
I
am
here
to
speak
in
support
of
this
application
as
well.
It's
so
wonderful
to
see
these
areas
being
improved.
I
live
very
near
there
and
it
puzzles
me
why
there
is
so
much
trouble
when,
when
what's
being
accomplished
here
is
so
great
for
the
community
and
buildings
very
similar,
don't
have
a
chimney.
O
I
mean
I'd
rather
see
these
things
begin
to
be
replaced
rather
than
making
this
man,
you
know
he's
putting
a
bathroom
in
his
an
extra
bathroom
in
which
is
so
much
better
for
for
the
resident
for
whomever
lives
there
in
the
future
than
a
fireplace
that
probably
wouldn't
be
used
most
of
those.
If
you
look
at
them,
they're
just
chimneys
that
had
a
you
know
a
wood
stove
or
something
connected
to
it.
That
really
is
not
usable
in
a
modern
building
today,
and
I
I
think
what
mr
mcgee
is
doing
is
is
really
good.
O
I'd
rather
have
a
bathroom,
but
I'm
also
here
and
plan
to
come
as
often
as
I
can,
because
I'm
too
I'm
very
concerned
about
the
procedures.
It
appears
to
me.
You
all
are
just
not
following
for
some
projects,
but
others
like
this.
It
takes,
I
mean
the
one
that
was
here,
she's
been
here
two
or
three
times,
I'm
just
amazed
at
this,
and
yet
you
can
issue
a
demolition
permit
and
tell
us
it's
conditional
when
it
really.
You
know
this.
There
are
so
many
questions
and
there
have
been
dozens
of
letters.
O
I
mean
I've
received
hundreds
of
phone
calls
now
and
I
think
you
all
better
really
be
concerned
about
the
procedures
here.
There
was
a
letter
by
a
former
councilman
that
was
that
goes
out
today.
That
asks
incredible
really
concerning
questions
not
only
about
what
you
all
do,
but
what
the
city
is
doing
so
anyway.
O
P
P
P
I
remember
when
susan
french
kindly
showed
me
the
the
drawings
for
it,
and
I
looked
at
them
very
handsome,
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
rather
precise,
but
I
puzzled
over
it
for
a
while-
and
I
said
susan,
there
are
no
chimney
stacks
on
this
house.
Well,
my
point
here
is
that
the
the
board-
and
I
think
rightly
approve
that
design.
P
P
If
it
was
okay
for
that
board-
and
I
realized
many
of
you
were
not
on
the
board
then.
But
if
it's
okay
for
that
board
to
say
this
elaborate
new
house
needn't
have
chimneys,
then
I
posed
the
question:
why
should
these
little
houses
in
much
more
modest
situations
have
to
have
them
they're,
not
architectural
treasures,
they're?
You
know
they
contribute
to
the
fabric
of
the
city,
but
I
just
wanted
to
trace.
That
seems
to
me
consistent
approach.
J
B
I
I
D
D
I'll
agree
with
what
mr
mcgee
doing,
but
we
just
can't
just
take
it
upon
ourselves
and
just
disregard
what
the
guidelines
saying
in
the
book
we've.
Given
him
a
lot
of
lead
way
by
not
making
him
put
it
back,
a
lot
of
people
came
up
and
spoke
about
what
is
right,
what
is
wrong,
but
they
got
to
understand,
there's
a
guideline
that
we
must
go
by
and
we
must
hear
by
it.
D
K
D
E
J
Q
Q
Q
They
did
not
take
the
time
to
properly
redo
the
windows
or
the
garage
doors
that
are
on
the
garage.
A
lot
of
the
windows
are
leaking.
They
did
replace
a
few
of
the
windows
with
wooden
single
pane
windows
that
did
not
fit
the
holes
that
are
that
they're
in
and
they
do
not
operate.
Even
the
new
windows
they
put
in
do
not
operate
because
they've
stuffed
foam
and
caulk
around
all
the
windows
because
they
were
not
the
right
size
for
the
holes
and
they're
leaking
terribly
with
air.
Q
Q
All
the
time
we
tried
to
take
some
pictures
during
a
rainstorm
of
water
coming
in,
and
the
water
just
really
doesn't
show
up
in
the
pictures,
but
the
last
time
it
rained
dr
schafer
and
I
were
over
there
trying
to
take
pictures
and
because
there's
water
just
coming
in
the
house
yeah
the
arched
window
is
facing
whiskey
road
and
that's
in
the
other
sun
room.
So
basically
from
the
survey
that
was
done
in
1984
the
two
second
floor:
sun
rooms-
I
guess
we'll
call
them.
Q
Q
Now
the
garage
has
barn
door
style
garage
doors.
We
just
would
like
to
replace
those
with
you
know
have
them
completely
remade.
To
look
just
like
that.
I
mean
we're
not
trying
to
change
the
wheel
here,
but
the
the
left
door
has
completely
collapsed
and
they've
got
a
board
on
the
top
of
it
to
try
to
fill
in
the
gap
and
there's
kind
of
a
they
cut
it
several
times.
It
appears
to
try
to
so
it
open
and
close
and
then
on
the
garage.
A
Q
Q
Q
H
Q
A
lot
of
them
yeah
and
the
thought
is,
you
know
we,
I
I
my
company
redid
a
house
on
whiskey
road.
You
may
you
guys
approved
this.
Is
the
marlboro
and
whiskey
last
year,
tony
and
susie
trotter's
house
and
we've
replaced
all
the
windows
in
that
house
with
architecturally
approved
windows
that
were
the
anderson
series
400.
The
clad
on
the
outside
that
are
wood
on
the
inside
they're,
very
nice,
expensive
windows,
we're
not
trying
to
put
a
vinyl
window
in
this
house
or
something
that's
got.
Interior
grids.
A
Q
Q
Q
A
R
A
R
K
L
A
Q
A
Q
Q
Q
H
Q
Well,
we
we
do
have
a
bid.
It's
going
to
look
like
that.
Yes,
it's
they're
going
to
be
a
little
bit
different
though
no
one
makes
french
casements
anymore
that
they
come
to
the
inside,
because
they're
incredibly
leaky.
So
we
looked
at
it.
We
have
a
couple
of
different
options
and,
like
I
said
we're
asking
for
like
a
big
option.
If
and
if
we
have
guidance
to
scale
back,
that's
you
know
we
can
live
with
that,
but
we
would
look
at
doing
regular
casements
with
a
grid
pattern.
That's
similar
to
this
right
and.
Q
A
Q
Q
A
H
A
Got
questions
about
what
what
where
what
he's
up
against,
I
think
the
the
we're
fortunate
that
there
are
people
around
who
will
undertake
these
sorts
of
tasks
to
preserve
older,
older
houses,
older
structures
and-
and
so
these
are
things
that
you
just
have
to
there's
a
fine
line
there
about
what
you
know
when
it
starts
to
damage
the
structure
of
the
house,
then
you
really
have
to
do
something
about
it.
You
can't
let
it
keep.
I
think
they've
tried
to
make
do
and
that's
that's
why
you're
here
tonight
well.
Q
And
the
right
side
addition
where
the
windows
that
one's
leaking,
the
worst,
that
that
whole
floor
is
sinking-
and
we
don't
know
exactly
why,
like
I
said
in
the
meeting,
if
you
put
a
golf
ball
on
the
left-hand
side
of
the
room,
it
would
shoot
to
the
right-hand
side
of
the
room
quite
rapidly.
Actually
I'd
say:
there's
probably
over
about
a
15
feet,
there's
about
a
two-inch
drop,
which
is
significant.
Q
A
A
A
A
D
Q
Well,
one
of
the
things
we're
looking
is
we're
planning
just
to
open
that
that
wall
up
and
look
and
see
what
it
is
and
you
get
into
a
lot
of
these
old
houses
and
they
have
floors
that
sink
and
floors
that
are
warped
and
you
don't
try
to.
You
know
rebuild
the
entire
house.
We
just
want
to
make
sure
it
doesn't
continue
to
rot
more
or
sink
more,
and
if
we
can
shore
it
up,
we
should
be
fine
because
there's
really
no
visible
damage
to
the
kitchen.
At
this
point,
that's
directly
beneath.
Q
We
and
you
know
in
in
doing
these
projects.
Sometimes
I
explain
to
clients
that
we
can
regain
part
of
this,
but
we
can't
regain
at
all,
and
if
we
try
to
regain
it
all,
we
may
do
more
damage
than
good.
So
the
best
idea
is
just
to
shore
it
up,
keep
it
from
you,
know,
sinking
any
further
and
then
just
repair
it.
Q
A
Q
A
K
G
A
A
C
C
C
Demolition
by
neglect,
okay,
we
went
after
her,
which
is
what
we're
supposed
to
do
when
something
is
neglected.
So
anyway,
it
was
a
very
long
process.
It
was
complicated.
Tommy
paradise
was
super
involved
because
he
had
he
had
an
old
notebook
on
these
two
houses.
This
is
just
interesting
for
you,
too,
okay,
so
anyway,
cam
scott
was
hired
to
do
a
renovation
on
not
on
not
on
lamar's
on
this
one,
so
there
may
be
plans
in
the
files
or
from
cam
scott,
and
if
I'm
wrong
on
that,
some
there
was
an
architect
involved.
C
A
C
C
C
B
C
H
C
You
know,
after
having
done
everything
that
was
done
back
then,
but
you
can
take
care
of
it
again
anyway.
It's
just
another
reason
that
that
the
previous
owner
should
have
been
charged
with
demolition
by
neglect
on
the
hotel
10
years
ago,
and
we
wouldn't
be
where
we
are
today
with
the
hotel
and
now
the
city
or
amdc
owns
a
hotel.
C
Q
G
A
Q
A
Q
A
S
A
S
A
S
We
don't
know
most
of
you,
but
we've
been
in
aitkin
for
some
10
years
and
we
love
the
town.
We
wanted
to
be
part
of
it.
We
bought
this
house
not
quite
appreciating
what
was
going
on,
which
is
probably
an
old
story,
but
we
also
appreciate
the
fact
that
the
neighborhood
everyone
is
is
bringing
things
up
to
speed.
S
A
H
H
R
N
N
N
If
you
don't
apply
procedures
consistently
and
properly,
they
become
arbitrary
and
it's
outside
of
what
is
called
a
judicial
process
because
you're
applying
it
one
way
for
some
people
and
another
way
for
other
people,
and
I
I
think
the
residents
are
entitled
to
a
board
that
applies
procedures
properly
and,
for
example,
just
to
give
you
an
example
of
why
I'm
here
and
why
I
have
to
come
to
meetings
like
this.
When
I
have
many
better
things
to
do.
H
N
N
A
There
were
a
number
of
letters
written
to
the
previous
owner.
Susan,
you
know
can
verify
that
we
had
numerous
meetings
and
requests
for
information.
It
wasn't
like.
We
all
sat
there
and
just
let
the
hotel
deteriorate
it.
It's
been
in
bad
condition
for
a
long
time,
but
I
don't
want
to.
I
don't
want
to
continue
this
discussion
and
we
don't
have
that
on
the
agenda.
A
N
N
N
B
B
N
You
may
need
to
review
the
south
carolina.
South
carolina
law
has
very
strict
dis
standards
for
public
meetings.
A
member
of
a
board
meeting
in
private
with
a
developer,
a
member
of
a
review
board
meeting
in
private
with
a
developer,
can
be
considered
a
what
should
have
been
a
public
meeting
and
was
not
okay.
It's
a
matter
of
understanding
the
interpretation
of
that
law.
There's
lots
of
precedent
on
that
point.
There
have
been
lawsuits
on
this
point
that
you
can
look
to
to
see.
You
should
be
asking
council
who
unfortunately
has
conflict.
H
B
N
B
D
N
B
Well,
we
can
understand
it
and
there's
a
there's,
an
open
forum
for
give
and
take
when
people
are
willing
to
be
give
and
take.
But
when
people
have
make
a
comment
like
that,
you
know
that's
that
that
doesn't
serve
any
purpose
it
serves.
It
serves
the
purpose
of
alerting
the
purpose
of
being
accusatory
and
which
it
doesn't
deserve.
B
Your
appointment
of
coming
in
and
wanting
to
be
involved,
I
live
in
an
old
house.
I
restored
it.
I
spent
three
times
more
on
refurbishing
it
it's
a
hundred
years
old,
then
I
paid
for
the
house,
so
I
understand
that
we
got
an
award
for
doing
it.
So
we're
talking
to
people
that
love
the
history
of
this
city.
I
was
born
here
raised
here
and
came
back
on
a
purpose
so
take
into
consideration,
find
out
facts
about
things
rather
than
coming
forth
with
something
you
think
and
putting
it
in
pen
and
ink.
B
N
N
B
N
N
A
N
N
Is
something
that
you
need
to
examine
inside
yourselves,
because
these
questions
arise
and
they
put
doubt
into
the
process
and
that's
not
sound?
I
want
that
project
to
succeed.
I
moved
here
because
I
love
aiken.
I
I
came
here
30
years
ago
and
it
didn't
look
any
better
than
it
does
today.
I
would
love
that
to
work.
I
would
help
people
make
it
work.
I
will
find
I
will
work
with
you
to
find
ways
to
make
it
work,
but
you
approve
the
demolition
in
one
meeting
nine
days
after
an
application.
N
A
N
A
A
N
B
Well,
it's
it's
and
I
appreciate
that
point
of
it,
but
it
doesn't
do
any
good
to
assassinate
people's
character
by
saying
the
things
that
you
said
in
your
opening
remarks
I
from
there
on
back
after
that.
That's
fine!
I
don't
mind
that.
But
it's
it's
saying
that
we
had
super
meetings
and
it
you
know.
A
N
A
And
all
we
can
do
is
review
as
they
they
present
proposals
to
us
that
affect
the
the
character
and
the
visibility
from
the
street
and
do
these
fit
in
with
our
guidelines.
That's
really
all
we're
doing
we
and
we're
not
doing
it
in
secret,
we're
doing
it
right
here
in
the
open.
That's
how
that's
what
we've
been
doing
for
years.
I
I.
A
N
A
I'm
sorry
come
to
the
next
meeting
and
you
certainly
can
come
and
speak
at
the
meeting
where
we
do
have
a
finally
final
vote
on
the
on
the
demolition
and
on
the
new
project.
We
haven't
seen
the
new
the
new
drawings,
but
I
get,
I
think
you
all
were
saying
you
don't
want
to
see
any
new
drawings
and
to
stop
the
project
so
that
wasn't
going
to
get
anybody
anywhere.
B
H
B
A
Okay,
another
discussion
on
the
window
replacement
they
may,
as
we
said,
they
may
come
back
with
other
replacement
and
changes
modifications
to
the
building,
and
we
welcome
that.
We're
glad
that
you're
undertaking
this
task,
and
hopefully
the
you
you're,
giving
this
house
a
second
chance.
Okay,
got
a
motion
segment.
All
in
favor
of
the
window
replacement
there
on
whiskey,
raise
your
right
hand.
Okay,
good
does.
That
concludes
our.
J
A
J
E
H
E
B
I
But
I
would
like
to
maybe
have
a
work
session.
I
have
asked
for
training
like
I
feel
like.
We
need
to
review
the
industrial
I
just
feel
like.
We
need
to
sit
down
as
a
work
session
where
we
can
have
real
discussions
about
our
processes
and
procedures,
not
holding
up
other
people,
whether
it's
a
training
session,
whether
it's
a
discussion
session
or
just
so
that
we
understand
better
and
make
sure
that
we're
making
good
decisions
because
we're
more
informed
it's
between
the
old,
again
plan,
the
the
design
review
manual,
industrial,
residential,
every.
B
Well,
we're
in
the
discussion
phase
now
correct.
Yes,
I
would
personally
before
we
approve
something
to
go
on
the
agenda.
I
think
we
need
to
have
some
sort
of
idea
what
they
want
to
discuss.
It
should
be
in
the
form
of
an
app
no
different
than
somebody
applying
or
making
an
application.
It
should
be
a
formal
request
with
the
specifications
of
what
we
discussed,
how
we
discuss
it,
that
sort
of
thing
don't
object
to
it.
I
just
think
that
you
don't
want
to
go
into
it
with
an
open
end,
one
way
or
the
other.
J
B
Don't
care
what
they
said:
they
just
made
an
application
yeah
if
they
want
to
send
this.
One
they've
already
done
that
right,
but
this
doesn't
talk
to
the
presentation
or
talking
before
us.
It's
just
their
points,
a
couple
of
points
that
they
brought
up.
You
you
said
that
you
well.
I
won't
go
into
that,
but
I.
L
L
L
L
How
far
is
it
going
to
go
into
newbury
street
where
they
take
it
all
the
way,
and
you
know
it's
only
a
one-way
street.
It
will
not
address
where
all
of
the
societal
environmental,
aesthetic
impacts
evaluated
in
a
way
that
satisfies
the
requirements
of
law.
I
just
don't
think
that'll
be
addressed,
so
we
need
to
find
a
way
to
see
that
that
happens,
and
I
don't
believe
that's
happened
yet.
L
I
understand
that
the
that
that
that
the
decision
you
made
was
conditional
upon
an
approval
of
the
building,
but
if,
if
you
don't
ever
dig
into
what
the
law
is
about,
whether
that
can
be
accrued
and
fulfill
all
those
requirements,
then
you
know
it
won't
be
fun
for
anybody
and
it's
not
it's
not
a
responsible
way
to
do
public
business.
So.
L
L
Is
and
there's
no
evidence
that
this
point
in
time
the
city
and
its
different
deciding
bodies
is
ever
going
to
decide
at
a
level
where
they
will
satisfy
all
the
requirements
of
law
to
ultimately
do
a
project
that
results
in
that
hotel
being
knocked
down
and
something
new
put
in
there.
And
that
is
such
a
dynamically
huge
decision
for
this
city.
And
I
would
do
that
right
and
you
don't
have
to
agree
with
me
in
the
end.
L
So
we,
if
y'all,
would
have
a
look
at
that
letter
and
that
was
specifically
directed
to
the
issues
related
related
to
newberry
street,
but
those
everything
is
inextricably
inter
intertwined.
There's
no
question
that
the
decision
about
the
newbury
street
and
the
decision
about
the
hotel,
whether
it's
up
whether
it's
down
the
decision
about
what
happens
there
next
the
decision
about
how
much
parking
there
is
the
decision
about
whether
there's
going
to
be
green
spaces.
L
L
Letter
has,
if
you
flip
it,
I
don't
know,
I'm
sorry,
I
don't
have
a
copy
in
front
of
me
two
three
pages
in
there's
a
list
of
where
we
found
issues,
and
so,
whenever
you
make
your,
I
mean.
I
I
heard
mr
chairman
say
that
the
decision
to
demolish
isn't
truly
made
until
the
decision
about
the
conditions
is
made.
I
think
if
I
understood
that
correctly
so
now
is
the
time
now
is
the
time
to
look
and
if
those
holes
cannot
be.
A
A
L
H
A
L
L
B
The
the
verbiage
that
was
used
in
there
was
you
could
tell
that
you
were
very
passionate
about
what
you're
writing
and
I
appreciate
that
passion
is
a
good
thing
when
it
is
harnessed
and
put
in
the
right
direction.
I
think
we're
all
real
receptive
to
listening
to
logical,
factual
arguments,
not
innuendos
and
not
accusations,
so
I
appreciate
the
way
you're
approaching
it.
Thank
you
very
much
for
that.
L
Well,
I
I
appreciate
it
and
I
guess
I
mean
I
mean
suggesting
that
if
you
have
a
look
at
my
letter,
I
think
you
would
see
that
it
is
done
in
a
pretty
even
handed
way
addressed
with
some
specificity
to
the
legal
issues
that
were
identifiable
the
time
we
have
some
more
but
the
the.
So
I
would
suggest
to
summarize
what
our
yes,
sir,
I
was.
A
D
Just
one
thing
discussion:
the
young
lady
is
here
as
a
capacity
of
attorneys,
I
think,
would
be
appropriate.
That's
I'm
sure
she
did
her
homework,
but
I
think
it'd
be
appropriate.
We'll
check
with
our
turn
as
well.
Give
him
opportunity
to
do
some
digging
in
background
make
sure
we
are
on
page
where
we
need
to
be,
and,
of
course,
and
probably
coordinate
that
between
her
and
our
city
attorneys.
R
J
L
L
A
L
A
A
Yeah,
I
think
we
may,
even
if
we
don't
have
this,
we'll
see
how
the
vote
goes.
As
far
as
putting
you
on
the
agenda,
I
don't
see
why
we
can't
at
the
work.
We
have
several
more
work
sessions
coming
up
that
don't
have
the
hotel
on
them
yet
so
we
could.
We
could
discuss
some
of
the
procedural
issues,
but
I
think
we
need
to
see
what
you're,
what
your
comments
are
and
and
then
go
from
there,
but
let's
vote
on
whether
we
want
to
put
it
on
the
agenda.
I
Yes,
because
I'm
wondering
if
it
doesn't
need
to
be
like
there's
other
people
that
are
part
of
these
processes
besides
us
like
the
city,
is
voting
to
sell
newberry
street
versus.
I
wonder
if
closing
the
grid
is
not
a
drb
decision
or
not,
so
I'm
wondering
if
maybe
it
should
be
a
joint
meeting,
not
just
a
drb
meeting.
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I
think,
there's
a.
I
agree,
there's
a
perception
that
people
are
having
meetings
in
secret
rooms
and-
and
that's
not
true
of
us.
I
don't
believe
it
is
a
big
project.
It's
a
very
complex
project
and
you
just
can't
expect
somebody
to
to
spend
three
months
of
design.
Time
come
in
and
and
you
vote
it
down.
So
we
have
said,
go
ahead.
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Okay,
okay,
5
30.,
if
it's
early,
if
we
decide
to
go
earlier,
we'll
let
you
know-
and
now
I
did
want
to
say
two
things:
one
is
that
they're
having
a
walk-through
presentation
tomorrow
in
this
room.
I
believe
two
of
them
they
might
be
identical,
but
you
can
come
to
both,
but
I
think
we
actually,
we
can't
require
you
all
to
come.
It's
not,
but
it
is.
It
is
something
that
it's
part
of
our
work
session
process.
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To
let
the
public
speak,
do
we
want
to
say
in
our
work
session
that
we
will
let
the
public
speak,
because
there
the
questions
that
I'm
seeing
just
glancing
through
these
are
not
questions
that
the
developer
is
going
to
be
able
to
answer
so
there's
not.
I
don't
know
where
that
discussion
on
the
process
is
where
the
public
can
comment.
This.