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From YouTube: Design Review Board October 5, 2021
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Design Review Board
October 5, 2021
6:30 PM
Call to Order
Minutes
Old Business
None.
New Business
A) Application CERH22- 012: Applicant. Cameron Scott requests approval of enclosing a side porch.at Palmetto Golf Club, 275 Berrie Road SW (TMP 105- 20-01- 001).
B) Application CERD22- 001004: Applicants Beatrice and William McGhee request approval of renovation of existing homes and construction concept plan for new residences at 117, 127, 131, and 135 Williamsburg Street SE ( TMP 121- 06- 10-005; 121- 10- 01- 001; 121- 06- 10-004).
C) Application CERH22- 016: Applicant Beckham Ruff requests approval to whitewash exterior brick at 740. Highland Park Drive SW ( TMP105- 07- 09- 005).
D) Application CERH22- 015: Applicant Grant Larlee requests approval of a brick tree well at 574 Newberry Street SW ( TMP 105- 12- 17-014).
E) Application: CERH22- 017: Applicant Grant Larlee requests approval of driveway modification at 574 Newberry Street SW (TMP 105- 12- 17-014).
Information
Adjournment
A
Actually,
it's
october
already
october
meeting
almost
finished
with
2021.,
believe
it
or
not-
and
I
think
maybe
a
lot
of
you
are
familiar
with
the
process
we
we
do
have
to
review
our
minutes
for
the
last
month's
meeting
and
work
session
and
while
the
I'll,
let
our
board,
be
doing
that
and
then
we'll
have
a
motion
on
those
minutes.
And
then,
after
that,
our
secretary,
mary
tilton
will
be
introducing
some
some
of
these
motions.
A
A
A
A
A
G
F
A
F
G
F
G
F
G
C
C
A
A
And
that's
just
a
simple
request:
you
want
to
whitewash
them
on
a
contributing
property.
Okay,
we'll
any
other
questions.
Okay,
good!
Thank
you
and
we'll
ask
if
anyone
wants
to
would
like
to
speak
in
favor
of
the
she
does
have
a
problem
with
her
original
brick
doesn't
match
and
she
used
to
do
something
either:
painting
it
or
whitewash
any
other
comments
from
neighbors
or
people
in
tennis
or
against.
I
don't
see
anyone.
H
I
personally,
like
the
white,
wash
style
better
than
the
solid
brick,
much
like
the
homeowner
says,
and,
and
I
don't
think
it
matters
if
it's
a
historical
home
or
not.
If
you
like
the
way
that
looks,
I
think,
that's
a
personal
preference.
You
know
you,
you
might
can
make
the
argument
that
there's
too
many
houses
whitewashed
right
there.
But
I
think,
because
of
the
the
way
this
house
is
situated,
that
that
you're
not
really
like
looking
at
three
or
four
houses
at
a
time
in
there
either.
A
C
A
E
E
I
The
club
has
wanted
to
enclose
the
northeast
end
of
this
clubhouse
to
expand
some
toilet,
restrooms,
lavatories
and
showers
on
this
end
of
the
on
the
end
of
the
club
sort
of
the
match.
What's
on
the
southwest
end,
and
so
they
found
that
this
portion
of
the
club
is
very
underutilized,
and
so
the
idea
is
to
try
to
get
some
more
activity.
At
this
end.
I
I
So
this
portion
right
here
right
here
too
close
right
here,
so
it's
previously
been
noted
that
requested
that
we
tried
to
pull
the
walls
back
to
the
center
line
of
the
columns
doing
so
we
end
up
losing
a
toilet,
and
so
the
club
has
wanting
to
keep
two
toilets
in
that
area.
Plus
the
club
is
wanting
to
have
the
same
symmetry
on
this
northeast
end
to
match
the
southwest
end
and
do
not
want
to
make
it
look
like
it's
an
enclosed
porch.
A
A
A
I
I
It'd
be
the
same
same
corner
boards
same
type
windows
in
the
same
locations.
Now
on
the
on
this
southwest
northwest
corner,
they
have
a
pair
of
windows
over
the
lavatories
we're
proposing
to
do
hive
windows
over
the
laboratories
on
the
northeast
side,
because
we
like
to
have
some
mirrors
above
those
lavatories
yeah.
G
K
G
A
A
C
B
I
I
I
just
like
the
symmetry
the
club
likes,
the
symmetry
by
putting
the
pie
lasters
there,
you
you're
just
saying
it's
an
infield
porch.
They
don't
like
the
look.
I
don't
really
like
the
way
it
looks
is
in
field
porch.
If
it
was
a
sun,
if
it
was
a
sun
porch
or
something
where
are
we
filling
it
with
glass,
I
would
say:
yes,
I'd
leave
the
columns
there,
but
this
is
a
restroom
toilet
area.
H
And
responsibilities
that
come
along
with
that,
you
know,
if
you
don't
like
the
way
the
building
looks.
Maybe
you
should
build
another
one.
You
know
a
whole
new
clubhouse
somewhere
else,
but
you
know
you
do
have
a
historical
clubhouse
here
and
I
don't
understand
why
the
club
wouldn't
want
to
stay
true
and
honor
that
historical
nature.
K
K
K
H
K
H
Well,
we
talked
about
the
center
line,
but
somewhere
in
there,
so
that
you
could
still
see
you
know,
I'm
I'm
like
I
said
I'm.
I
want
to
be
clear:
it's
not
about
utilization
of
spaces
and
I
love
the
building
and
I
like
what
you
guys
do
over
there,
but
but
just
that
little
bit
of
recess
is
is
the
only
point
that
I'm
that
I'm
questioning.
A
H
H
A
A
C
A
Okay,
that's
a
variation
on
on
your
your
plan.
Where
can
where
you,
when
you
when
you,
when
you
go
ahead
and
and
delete
the
storage
room,
then
your
wall
continues
on
past,
like
that
and
you
get
the
two
toilets,
I
think
on
the
other
option,
you
recessed
it
in
a
couple
of
feet
because
you
were
following
the
column
line.
I
A
J
H
B
A
M
Name
is
christina
anderson.
I
live
at
435
sumter
street
southeast
okay
prior
to
living.
Here
I
lived
in
newport
rhode
island,
so
I
am
somewhat
familiar
with
the
concepts
of
historic
preservation.
You
see
quite
a
lot
there.
You
see
stanford
white
examples
there
as
well,
but
not
in
a
clubhouse
perspective,
but
his
concept.
His
design
elements
are
pretty
straightforward.
G
M
One
of
the
questions
I
have
for
the
board
and
for
for
the
design
review
board,
as
well
as
the
board
of
or
the
representatives
from
palmetto
is
if
they
want
to
expand
a
locker
room
and
they
want
to
create
additional
storage
space.
Why
was
the
question
asked
how
we
can
do
this
without
altering
the
exterior
of
the
historic
building?
M
The
submission
refers
to
some
work,
some
alterations
that
will
be
done
on
the
pro
shop
side
of
the
building.
There's
locker
room
space
there
that
could
be
added
to,
but
that
does
not
fall
into
the
purview
of
the
design
review
board
because
I
don't
believe
it's
a
historic
building.
Nor
is
it
visible
from
the
road.
A
M
A
A
But
they
they
are
interrupted.
Also,
you
have
them
where
you
need
them,
and
then
you,
when
you
don't
need
the
veranda.
You
have
the
enclosed
space,
so
he
allows
you
can
see,
allows
flexibility,
even
though
he's
got
something
very
symmetrical
he's.
Not
you
know
that
doesn't
restrict
the
use
of
the
space.
A
A
But
it's
it's.
It's
really
a
leftover
space.
That
is
a
catch-all
like
somebody's
mud
room.
So
if
you
can
make
it
more
usable,
like
maybe
having
handicapped
toilets
in
the
in
the
whole
building,
I
think
then
you're
beginning
to
to
make
the
building,
even
though
it's
historic,
you're,
making
it
a
practical,
up-to-date
building
but
but
I'll,
but
you
know,
go
on
and
and
and
then,
if.
M
G
B
G
M
If
it's
not
being
used
now
I
mean
one
thing:
that
shinnecock
hills
has
that
we
don't
is
they
don't
have
air
conditioning
or
need
for
air
conditioning
and
down
it
here
in
aitkin?
We
do
so.
I
understand
the
the
need
for
having
hvac
and
perhaps
that's
not
the
best
place
to
put
them,
but
I
also
don't
think
it's
the
purpose
that
he
designed
the
building
for.
M
C
M
A
Make
a
point
that
I
see
these
two
symmetrical
wings
that
are
that
are
the
locker
rooms
but
they're
in
fact,
entertainment
spaces
with
fireplaces,
and
I
would,
I
think,
I'd
rather
give
up
that
that
porch,
that
has
air
conditioning
units
in
it
then
than
to
see
bath,
toilet
partitions
and
bathroom
fixtures.
Added
into
the
to
the
current.
You
know:
locker
room
space
to
stay
within
that
footprint.
M
I
would
disagree
with
you,
sir.
I'm
not
sure
that
any
exploration
of
that
was
done
by
either
mr
scott
or
the
board.
But
if
you
look
at
that
that
existing
locker
room,
as
well
as
being
used
for
storage,
was
a
women's
locker
room
where
there
were
toilets
and
that
already
I'm
just
suggesting
that
that
space
could
be
reconfigured.
H
M
G
M
Understand
moving
the
mechanicals
to
some
degree,
but
I
again,
I
think,
if
you're
going
to
utilize
that
space
try
and
utilize
it
in
the
manner
in
which
stanford
white
designed
it
it
was.
He
designed
golf
clubhouses
for
being
able
to
move
throughout
all
right
and
if
you,
if
you
close
that
off,
I'm
not
saying
that
there's
not
a
need
for
locker
rooms
that
are
useful.
I'm
just
saying.
I
don't
think
that
that's
necessarily
a
reason
for
going
outside
of
his
initial
design
elements.
A
I
guess
even
mount
vernon
may
have
some
additions,
but
there
are
guidelines
that
that
you,
you
try
to
follow
that,
that
you
acknowledge
where
your,
where
your
edition
is,
that
you've
made
and
you
and
you
for
future
generations.
They'll
know
you
did
that
but
you're
not
in
favor
of
making
any
changes
to
historic
buildings.
A
M
Sir,
your
guidelines
say
in
part
that
changes
to
facades
designed
to
be
seen
by
members
and
guests
should
be
avoided,
and
this
facade
is
seen
on
at
least
two
sides,
if
not
three,
both
as
you're
entering
the
clubhouse,
you
see
it
it's
one
of
the
areas
that
is
widely
distributed.
As
being
representative
of
the
palmetto
golf
club.
A
M
O
There
is
not
enough
utilization,
but
the
reason
the
women
can't
utilize.
It
is
because
there's
storage
in
the
women's
locker
room
and
it's
unable
to
be
utilized
stanford
white
designed
a
men's
section
in
a
women's
section
and
when
he
changed
the
nature
of
the
american
golf
clubhouse
style,
it
was
for
members
to
be
able
to
move
freely
about
and
that's
why
there's
so
much
open
space
there's
room
in
the
golf
shop
to
expand
more
men's
lockers
without
putting
the
women
in
a
space
they
cannot
move
freely
about
it.
O
Would
we
already
have
two
toilets
and
some
sinks
in
the
women's
locker
room
that
could
be
easily
updated
and
add
showers.
The
new
proposal
squashes
the
women's
space
for
future,
like
renting
out
for
events,
takes
out
that
beautiful
window
in
the
foyer
type
space
of
the
women's
bathroom
and
continues
to
take
about
take
out
the
freely
movement
of
most
members
of
the
club
for
for
a
small,
a
small
section
of
the
club,
34
men's
lockers.
To
do
this
big
build
out
at
the
expense
of
benefiting
all
club
members?
O
O
It
wasn't
a
men's
club,
it
was
not
midland
valley,
golf
club
for
men,
it
wasn't
a
men's
club
and
it
was
a
family
club
and
it
included
women,
and
I
think
that
the
whole
concept
hurts
the
intentional
design,
the
original
intentions
of
of
the
design,
and
if
you
look
at
shinnecock
that
octagonal
room
off
the
south
porch
of
palmetto
has
doors
to
porches
on
either
side.
It's
always
a
continuous
flow
of
verandas.
O
You
can
have
pilasters
in
the
middle
for
functionality,
but
on
the
2016
renovation
of
shinnecock,
there
are
porches
on
every
side
of
every
enclosure
and
that's
his
style,
not
an
abrupt.
Stop!
That's
an
eyesore
to
everybody's
painting
that
I
already
have
a
painting
with
the
open
porches
from
the
18th
hole
view.
I
think
it
would
destroy
the
the
facade
of
the
national
national,
historic
landmark
well.
O
A
A
C
O
Excellent
options
that
I
mean
the
upstairs
is
ripe
for
men's
locker
room
expansion.
It's
a
beautiful
space
that
wouldn't
hurt
the
intention
to
make
it
a
family
club
and
have
women
a
women
members,
an
area
of
significance
to
freely
move
about
and
to
gather
socially
and
grow
their
and
grow
their
their
section
of
the
club.
O
I'm
just
saying
it's:
it's
misleading
to
tell
you
it's
not
utilized,
it's
not
utilized,
because
I
can't
get
into
my
locker
in
that
space.
There's
so
much
storage,
it's
locked
and
it's
got
some
junk
from
some.
I
can't
even
get
into
it
and
to
say
it's
under
utilized
is
ridiculous.
It's
it's
misleading!.
H
O
They
want
to
give
us
a
tiny
space
down
there
with
no
room
to
freely
move
about
well
and
a
few
lot,
a
few
two
showers
where
you
can't
even
have
an
access
to
change
before
you
go
into
the
shower.
You
have
to
jump
into
the
shower
from
the
middle
of
the
little
space
that
only
has
room
for
three
chairs.
Your
foursome
can't
even
sit
together.
O
H
O
L
Bill
tucker,
I
reside
at
704,
pin
oak
drive
in
aitkin
and
I'm
a
42-year
member
of
the
palmetto
golf
club,
which
is
a
little
hard
to
believe
and
and
like
tom
farmer,
I'm
a
whitney
trustee.
So
I
guess
I'm
one
of
the
landlords
and
I'm
also
a
member
of
the
board
of
governors
through
my
membership.
For
my
being
a
whitney
trustee,
I
want
to
answer
chairman
law's
inquiry
and
that
of
our
opposition
about
the
utilization.
L
First
of
all
how
we
utilize
the
space-
I
don't
think
is
before
you
the
apology
to
the
women
of
the
club,
because
it
has
been
a
collection
point
of
tournament,
paraphernalia
and
chairs
and
tables
when
they
have
to
be
married,
move
from
the
main
club
space
and
that's
what
we're
trying
to
achieve
some
new
storage
space,
but
that's
of
course,
off
the
table
now.
But
the
point
is
there
are
only
three
lockers
in
the
east
locker
room.
L
What
I
call
the
east
locker
room,
the
women's
locker
room
that
are
currently
rented
by
women
members
of
the
club
and
the
hope
would
be,
of
course,
that
we'd
get
more
people
to
do
that.
There's
no
set
decision
about
how
we're
going
to
utilize
this
space,
and
I
guess
I
would
ask
our
lady
friends
here:
if
they,
if
they,
we
committed
to
keeping
that
as
a
women's
locker
room,
would
you
then
be
in
favor
of
the
enclosure
of
the
space
to
so
you'd
still
be
an
opposed
to
that.
There's
plenty.
L
L
So
anyway,
we
have
looked
at
this
and
I
I
don't
think
I
think
you
need
to
know
that
this
has
been
studied
at
in
depth
by
the
facilities
committee,
which
is
a
subset
of
the
board.
And
then
it's
been
considered
by
the
board
of
governors,
and
we
have
come
to
you
tonight
with
the
plan
as
amended
on
the
spot,
where
we've
deleted
the
objection
to
the
enclosure
of
the
end
of
the
porch.
L
But
we
think
that
the
utilization
of
the
space
straight
out
from
the
main
building
under
the
current
footprint
of
the
of
the
building
is
a
reasonable
adaptation
of
the
the
space
that
we
have.
And
we
would
ask
that
you
grant
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
as
amended
for
the
enclosure
of
that
space,
to
make
a
bathroom
facility
okay
and
how
we
utilize
it.
Beyond
that.
L
A
L
Well,
we
hope
we
have
a
gentlemanly
thing
today.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
We
appreciate
you
acknowledging
that,
but
the
the
fact
of
the
matter
is,
we
appreciate
your
input
but
at
some
point
we're
the
property
owners
and
I
think
property
owners
have
a
right
to
certainly
use
the
property
within
guidelines
as
we
wish
and
and
we
we
hope
you
would
would
accede
to
that
request.
A
G
L
A
A
L
C
C
C
I
G
C
H
H
Do
mr
tucker,
thank
you
for
your
comments.
I
could
not
agree
with
you
more
completely
about
the
board's
wisdom
on
utilization.
That's
completely
up
to
the
board
and
the
owners
to
decide.
I
also
could
not
agree
with
you
more
completely
about
an
owner's
right
to
use
their
property
as
they
see
fit.
I
strongly
believe
in
that.
L
I
did
not
mean
in
any
way
to
diminish
the
important
work
of
this
body
and
I
I'd
like
to
think
that
I'm
very
historically
sensitive-
and
this
is
a
building.
I
love
very
dearly
right
me,
but
at
some
point-
and
I
think
cam
makes
a
good
point
about
the
the
the
utilization
of
the
space
and
how
we
lose
some
of
that.
If
we
do
the
setback
and
the
and
the
board
and
the
facilities
committee
working
under
the
board
considered
that.
H
L
A
H
C
Okay,
that's
some
discussion.
Okay,
so
I've
talked
to
people.
I've
looked
carefully
at
the
guidelines
and
listened
to
various
opinions
on
that,
but
I
feel
that
this
edition
it
falls
within
what
our
guidelines
set
out
and
I
I
you
know-
I
understand
mr
lott's
concern
about
differentiating,
but
in
this
case
it's
almost
matching
the
other
end,
and
so
I'm
I'm
not
so
concerned
about
that,
and
I
also
think
that
that
some
additions
are
that
are
contemplated
by
the
guidelines
are
a
lot
larger
than
this,
which
is
a
relatively
small
edition.
H
Yes,
I
appreciate
your
comments.
Lucy
the
I
feel
like
it's
a
it
flies
in
the
face
of
what
the
board's
here
for
not
to
ask
for
a
few
inches
of
separation
that
flies
in
the
face
of
of
what
the
guidelines
were
set
up
to
follow
the
national
historic
guidelines
not
to
differentiate
in
some
way
from
the
original
design,
on
this
very
historic
landmark
that
we
all
love,
and
so,
although
I
am
completely
in
favor
of
them,
closing
it
in
and
utilizing
the
space
as
they
see
fit.
J
C
A
C
A
I
guess
that
that
is
a
problem
area
that
I
I
recognize
it
needs
to
be
addressed
that
porch,
it's
it
really
was
not
functioning
as
a
porch,
not
nearly
as
important
as
space
as
the
porch
on
the
rear
and
even
though
it's
part
of
his
original
design,
I
think
it
becomes
a
dysfunctional
space
and
needed
to
be
addressed.
I
would
like
to
have
seen
it
acknowledge
that
this
was
the
addition,
but
I
think
the
club
membership
doesn't
doesn't
feel
that
strongly
about
it.
A
H
A
A
C
D
To
revitalize
the
area
around
the
farmers
market
and
as
you
see
the
two
bundles
that
we
have
purchased
and
the
church
building
that
we're
calling
a
church
building,
those
are
existing
buildings
that
we
want
to
renovate
and
sell
the
church
building.
We
have
really
not
decided
what
to
do
with
that
building
yet,
but
we're
already
underway
in
the
renovation
of
the
two
small
cottages
there
we're
going
to
expand
a
little
bit
in
the
back
and
then
have
two
bedrooms
and
two
baths
in
that
building.
D
D
D
And
we're
calling
this
the
market
growth.
There
are
three
other
cottages
in
that
block
that
we
have
pursued,
trying
to
acquire
them
and
that's
still
a
possibility.
We
would
like
to
have
all
five
of
them
look
the
same
and
be
part
of
that
market.
Road
renovations,
it's
fitting
in
with
what
the
city
has
planned
for
the
market
area,
they're
going
to.
D
D
H
H
H
H
N
D
H
Okay,
I
like
the
the
fact
that
you're
going
in
and
remodeling
these
houses-
I
I
also
like
the
fact
that
you're
restoring
the
chimney
with
with
light
materials-
that's
really
good,
and
I
think
you
definitely
have
a
need
in
order
to
make
these
viable
properties
to
add
on
to
the
house
both
of
them.
You
know
in
order
to
make
this
probably
so
I
applaud
your
efforts
for
the
whole
project.
H
A
H
H
H
H
Do
you
do
you
know
which
color,
which
house
is
going
to
be
off
of
this
list
since
you've
got
five
or
six
shoes
from
here?
Have
you
decided
that
yet
that
might
be
something
you
want
to
submit
for
administrative
approval,
just
be
official
once
you
do
decide,
I
think
we've
normally
allowed
that
to
come
in
after
the
fact.
H
H
C
A
G
J
D
H
D
D
C
H
H
G
C
H
C
H
N
G
N
We
have
in
mind
a
community
within
a
community
we're
hoping
that
revitalizing
the
market
front
area
will
create
interest
in
that
area.
We
even
hope
that
it
will
bring
in
visitors,
because
it's
something
unique
that
is
not
already
represented
in
the
city,
and
so
we
intend
to
build
in
the
rear
of
the
cottages,
a
series
of
tiny
houses
that
will
vary
in
size
from
I
think
it's
5
20
square
feet
up
to
8
15
square
feet.
H
H
H
H
P
H
H
True
friend,
but
I
think
that,
especially
in
a
community
like
you're
designing
here
with
this
high
density,
that
you
want
to
feel
welcome
to
the
community
community
and
people
walking
by
and
exchanging
whatnot,
and
so
I
think
those
outdoor
living
areas
become
more
important.
You
know,
as
you
design,
the
higher
density
properties
you
know.
Normally,
our
committee
does
not
get
involved
with
high
density
developments
like
this,
you
know
when
we
would,
we
would
rely
on
the
planning
committee
to
give
out
specifications
for
high
density
living
like
water.
H
You
know
what
you
said,
the
committee
this
other
group
has
taken
care
of,
but
also
the
amount
of
green
space
that
you're
going
to
have
in
a
high
density.
You
know-
and
I
think
all
those
those
elements
need
to
come
into
play
here.
I
just
don't
personally
feel
that
I
have
an
expertise
of
what
it
should
look
like
you
know,
but
I
think
that
that
those
pieces
of
your
your
future
design
are
important.
H
And
normally,
when
we
look
at
new
houses,
we
look
at
it
at
a
more
exhaustive
list
of
attachments
to
the
proposal
than
we
do
for
a
remodel.
For
example,
lucy
was
pointing
out,
to
I
mean
katie
was
pointing
out
to
me
a
minute
ago.
Is
that
normally
with
new
houses,
we
require
landscaping,
plans
and
setbacks,
and
all
these
kind
of
things
you
know
elevations
for
the
show
and
the
windows
and
the
proportions
and
that
sort
of
stuff.
H
H
D
H
J
I
love
this
whole
concept,
but
the
devil's
in
the
details
I'm
excited
about
it,
but
I
also
would
like
to
know
what's
happening
with
the
streetscape
and
what
the
plan
is
on
the
other
side,
because
I
feel
like
there's
enough
of
a
plan
going
on
that
we
should
have
the
benefit
as
a
pla.
I
mean
we're
the
planning
entity
here
to
be
up
to
so
I
would
really
like
to
see
us
get
keyed
in
on
that
plan
soon,
and
my
only
other
comment
is
the
old
ache
and
master.
J
J
J
Yeah-
and
I
don't
I
don't
think
you
can,
I
think
we've
got
to
see
the
bigger
part
of
the
plan
to
be
able
to
say-
and
I
only
me
personally
as
as
an
investor
in
this
area
also
has
always
envisioned
a
bakery,
a
floral
shop
or
something
along
williamsburg
and
then
the
housing
behind
it
or
a
mix,
but
a
mixed-use
community
where
you
go
to
the
farmer's
market.
I
love
the
idea
of
the
coffee
shop
here.
You
know
just
activating
and
making
it
really
tourist
worthy.
J
J
J
D
E
J
C
C
D
H
C
C
C
C
L
N
C
C
G
J
Of
feeling,
like
I
got
burned
on
union
street
by
not
really
looking
at
the
whole
plan
and
knowing
that
I
did
have
control
over
setbacks
and
that
sort
of
stuff,
so
as
far
as
the
distance
between
houses,
the
distance
to
the
property
line
and
those
kind
of
things,
I
just
would
like
to
see
more
information
of
the
details.
Before
I
say
I
mean
I
don't
know
how
many
are
in
there,
but
maybe
it's
one.
B
H
P
This
man,
I
I
do
understand
your
concerns.
Those
are
those
are
very
valid
concerns
about
you
know
just
plopping
whatever,
but
each
one
of
the
homes
will
have
to
have
a
permit
and
each
one
of
those
permits
will
then
show
the
setbacks
and
everything
else
in
detail
when
we
go
to
get
planning.
So
I
truly,
I
totally
understand
what
you're
saying,
but
for
us
to
move
forward
in
our
investment
we're
trying
to.
B
H
E
J
A
O
G
E
E
D
G
J
E
It
goes
to
the
planning
department
for
plants,
so
a
major
subdivision
would
go
through
planning,
department,
engineering,
department,
horticulture,
potentially
and
public
safety,
so
those
plats
are
sent
to
us
with
utilities
drawn
and
then
all
of
these
departments
review
them
provide
comments.
And
then
it's
submitted.
E
C
J
D
C
H
B
A
Q
Q
A
Q
Q
H
G
A
Q
That
picture
there
it
shows
it
as
a
little
bit
taller
but
there's
still
dirt
to
be
filled
in
that's
going
to
come
up,
probably
on
the
downside,
probably
another
foot
of
soil
on
the
downside,
which
you
know
those
those
dimensions
probably
will
shrink.
That's
kind
of
that's
currently
in
those
dimensions
just
right.
G
Q
A
Q
R
R
R
If
you
look
and
had
the
time
and
cared
enough
to
protect
the
interest
of
people
that
are
concerned,
you
might
look
and
realize
it's,
because
the
dirt
is
so
much
higher.
He
raised
that
lot.
So
high
he's
not
taking
it
down.
He.
If
you
look
at
all
the
renderings
you
looked
at
for
the
hours
we
went
through
the
the
whatever
they're
called.
We
call
them
the
avatars,
the
renderings.
R
And
the
dirt
is
going
to
be
as
high
as
that
wall
can
stand
on
both
of
them.
It's
a
retaining
wall.
It's
not
a
fence,
it's
going
to
hold
back
dirt
completely,
and
it
is
something
that
concerns
us,
because
again
it
can
change
the
way.
The
plans
are
the
plans
he
submitted
about
fences
and
gates
that
he's
going
to
render
on
paddocks
is.
R
R
R
Rules
are
there
for
a
purpose,
and
I
I'm
hard
pressed
to
believe
that
this
was
just
an
oversight.
It's
a
continuing
thing
because
you
have
excused
a
wall,
that's
huge
because
you
thought!
Oh
it
wasn't.
He
didn't
know
there
was
a
public
view.
Oh
he
didn't
know
this.
He
didn't
know
this
and
I
remember
assuming
that
there
was
administrative
approval
on
it
and
the
shock
on
everyone's
face.
R
I
don't
want
to
be
the
one
having
to
bring
it
to
anyone's
attention.
It's
it's
not
nice,
it's
not
my
job.
The
city
is
responsible
for
doing
this,
and
no
one
did
it,
and
now
it's
like.
I
know
it's
late,
but
I
am
really
concerned
that
the.
Why
not
the
who
and
the
what
and
the
when
and
the
where
we
know
that
it
was
done
before
an
application.
It
was
done
by
him.
It
was
done
by
his
people.
It
wasn't
on
any
plan,
it
wasn't,
but
why
it
was
done.
R
H
R
R
You
changed
your
matrix
or
you
tried
to
it's
about
retaining
walls.
Well,
you're
going
to
have
to
now
continue
the
saga
of
a
retaining
wall,
because
retaining
wall
over
four
feet
right.
Well,
guess
what
these
are
retaining
walls
and
how
you
measure
them
they're
over
four
feet:
construction,
size!
Aren't
they,
so
I
don't
know
what
to
do
for
y'all.
R
I
just
know
it's
shame
on
all
of
us
and
I
just
it
hurts
my
heart
that
we
just
say
that
this
is
just.
It
was
a
mistake
again,
it's
deja
vu
all
over
again,
and
I
hope
you
hear
the
letters
that
say
that
there
is
a
frustration,
and
I
hope
you
understand
that
no
one
wants
to
be
the
heavy,
and
I
that's
all
I
have
if
I'll
answer
any
questions.
H
R
R
You
don't
have
anyone
to
quote
an
ordinary
lawyer
here,
but
I
mean
it's
not
her
job
she's
not
getting
paid
for
this.
You
know
it's
a
high
salary,
but
somebody
should
be
able
to
quote
you
every
ordinance
right
there
and
say
trees.
That's
a
section
so,
and
so
you
need
that
protection.
You
deserve
that
protection.
The
city
deserves
that
protection,
the
enforcement
officer.
R
R
R
They're,
not
posted
they're,
not
publicly
made
available
they're,
not
in
the
agenda.
That
goes
out
to
the
public,
which
is
what
I
brought
up
the
last
time.
It's
very
frustrating
not
to
have
these
things
done,
and
the
enforcement
side
is
part
of
it
and
and
so
we're
kind
of
like
swimming
without
with
our
hands
tied
behind
the
back
and
trying
to
be
able
to
say.
R
R
R
Anything
against
him
at
all.
I
was
delighted
from
the
very
beginning
from
the
very
first
time
I
said
anything
to
you.
It's
like
I
was
really
glad
grant
was
doing
the
barn,
but
what's
happened
since
then
in
the
total
breakdown
and
watching
a
wall
that,
I
dare
say,
is
more
than
nine
feet
tall
when
you
look
at
it
from
the
neighbor's
property
and
it's
creating
treachery
for
animals
and
the
use
and
enjoyment
of
the
most
historic
horse
area
is
now
completely
changed.
J
J
I
mean
to
me
what
went
wrong
here.
Is
we
didn't
look
at
the
whole
plan
at
one
point,
because
then
this
gets
a.
You
know
this
gets
changed.
This
gets
changed,
this
gets
changed
and
if
the
whole
plan
had
been
approved
and
then
you
change
something,
then
it's
you
gotta
come
get
it
approved
in
the
matrix
that
may
have
said
it
was
an
administrative
approval.
After.
R
G
R
It's
just
he
got
green
light
and,
and
it
was
katie
by
the
day
but
and
then
the
city
will
say
we
don't
have
to
do
retaining
walls
and
we
had
a
perfect
storm.
We
had
understaffed
people
changing
everything,
it
was
a
perfect
storm
and
I'm
not
I'm
not
I'm
saying
here
we
are
again
my
bad
and
when
I
say
who
what
when
and
where
you
know
as
a
criminal
person
that
I
used
to
be
that's
important,
but
the
most
the
powerful
question
is
why.
R
R
A
R
R
G
R
And
it
has
been
raised
and
it
has
been
raised
and
the
renderings
that
you
approved
that
you
looked
at
on
your
certificate
of
appropriateness,
do
not
show
what
is
there.
That
is
a
problem
that
is
an
enforcement
issue
and
it
is
a
follow-up
issue
and
I
believe
it's
a
staffing
issue
too.
You
all
are
volunteers,
you
don't
get
paid
to
do
this.
You
need
a
better
group
of
people
that
are
funded
enough
because
I
had
and
experienced
enough
and
that's
you
lost
a
lot
of
that.
I
mean
it's
nobody's
against
anybody
here.
R
A
A
J
G
G
R
R
H
That
that's
the
zoning
official,
you
know,
and
I
think
that
you
can
come
and
express
your
opinion
here,
and
we
might
even
agree
with
what
you're
saying
you
know
but
to
really
affect
any
change.
It's
gonna
have
to
be
something
you
have
to
lobby
city,
council
or
a
mayor
or
student
city
manager
or
somebody
for.
R
And
I-
and
I
tell
you,
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
we'll
we're
we're
coming
just
because
we
know
it's
not
shame
on
you
like
you're
bad,
it's
like
look,
we
don't
even
know
the
extent
of
the
problem
and
and
that's
why
you
come
it's
not
to
say
you're
bad,
I
don't
think
anybody's
bad.
I
think
that
this
is
a
matter
of
information
quality
of
decisions
solely
based
on
the
quality
of
the
information
you're,
basing
it
on,
and
I
see
that
in
everything
you've
done
even
tonight,
even
going
with
what
was
happening
on
williamsburg.
R
And
what
do
you
need
are
the
chimneys
staying
on?
Are
they
off
all
those
things
are
important
and
I
applaud
you
all
for
what
you're
doing.
I
think
the
hard
part
is
that
in
this
case
it
was
so
far
down
the
road,
which
is
what
you've
said
to
me
before.
There's
nothing
you
can
do,
and
I'm
deja
vu
all
over
again
concerned
that
this
wall
got
added
and
I
don't
think
it
was
just
an
afterthought.
A
A
I
don't
think
that
they
are
trying
to
put
things
over
on
people
on
purpose,
but
but
you
say
perfect
storm,
maybe
that's
what
it
is,
but
it's
a
a
lot
going
on
right
there
and
here's
this
tree.
Actually
he
could.
He
could
cut
the
tree
and
I
don't
know
that
we've
had
any
say
over.
He
would
he
could
have.
Maybe
he'd
been
better
off
just
bulldozing
the
tree,
but
I
think
he's
trying
to
do
something.
A
R
R
A
R
R
R
A
R
A
P
C
So
so
I
I
mean
I
agree
with
you
just
about
everything
that
you
said.
I
think
it's
shocking
to
drive
by
there
and
I
happened
to
go
by
the
day.
They
were
taking
david
stinson's
tree
down
yeah.
So
quite
something,
and
I
have
a
race
with
the
city
of
a
review
of
the
horse
zoning
ordinances,
which
I
think
this
project
shows
that
they
need
to
be
updated.
R
J
C
A
R
B
R
R
A
J
R
R
Right,
there's
not
a
not
for
draft,
but
the
getting
it
out
in
a
timely
manner,
even
having
them
draft
and
posted
and
having
a
copy
available
at
the
meeting
as
soon
as
they
do
it.
No
person
you're
supposed
to
have
a
draft.
A
public
body
is
supposed
to
be
able
to
look
at
the
notes.
That's
what
makes
them
a
public
body.
I've
just
had
to
do
do
with
this,
because
I've
been
on
public
committees
and
you
have
to
post
your
minutes.
R
B
R
The
minutes
there
there's
a
otherwise
there's,
no
way
anybody
can
object
to
them.
You
see
because
you
have
them,
but
if
they
were
posted
as
the
ones
you
were
looking
at
today
to
approve
them.
If
you
could
pick
them
up,
then
I
could
you
could
say:
hey.
There
was
a
little
more
said
you
you
don't
get
to
do
that.
R
R
H
G
R
H
A
Q
Yeah,
I
just
I
mean
for
the
record.
I
just
like
to
say
that
the
first
call
when
I
got
it,
I
said:
I'd-
tear
the
wall
down.
If
I
had
to
I,
I
apologized
it
wasn't
something
I
tried
to
slip
through
as
far
as
the
elevation,
the
elevation
hasn't
changed
the
wall
over
on
the
right
side,
dictated
how
what
that
elevation
can
be
and
and
tildens
had,
that
crown
there
and
we're
shoving
as
little
water
as
possible.
B
A
Q
Q
He
just
sent
me
a
plan
this
afternoon
and
our
plan
is
to
go
to
d.o.t,
try
to
put
in
a
french
drain
capture
that
in
a
drain
and
then
fix
the
cur
the
raised
curb
on
that
side
of
the
road
and
then
and
also
put
in
a
inlet
and
then,
if
we
take
all
the
expense
of
that,
will
they
give
us
a
cut
across
the
street
to
get
into
their
drain.
So
we're
trying
to
stop
that
water
as
well
and.
A
A
H
H
I
do
agree
with
public
comment
about
the
fact
that,
if
we
hit
saw
this
whole
thing
from
the
start,
the
way
it
looks
right
now
we
probably
would
not
have
approved
it.
This
one
right
here,
the
whole
wall,
the
whole
project,
if
the
whole
we
had
seen
the
whole
product
probably
would
have
proved
it,
but
given
the
fact
that
this
is
the
property
of
walls
and
we
have
one
more
small
wall,
I
I
see
no
reason
to
deny
the
application.
H
A
C
Just
have
one
more
quick
comment
to
respond
to
what
mr
lott
said,
and
I
mean
I'm
not
even
sure
how
much
of
this
would
have
come
to
us
is
the
problem,
I'm
that
that's
the
problem
here.
It's
like
you
know
it's
not
well,
maybe
the
maybe
the
retaining
wall
should
have.
But
a
lot
of
this
is
beyond
what
we
do
so
anyway.
Yeah.
C
J
C
Q
Q
G
G
A
R
Q
B
D
A
A
Q
You
know
the
current
situation,
I
don't
know
the
exact
measurement,
but
the
current
is
a
it's.
It's
a
broken
up
asphalt
been
repaired,
cut
where
the
water
lines
are
asphalt,
we
could
go
back
with
just
the
same
put
it
back,
replace
it,
but
my
thought
was:
let's
try
to
solve
this
issue
of
try
to
catch
this
water
before
it
all
washes
down
into
with
gravel
and
everything.
Q
J
A
Q
I
mean
I
have
barns
that
have
concrete
floors
in
the
center
aisle.
I
have
you
know
this
barn
on
this
property
has
stamped
brick
inside
you
know
so,
and
I've
got
another
barn
on
two
knots
that
has
the
stamp
brick
and
you
know
if
any
hard
surface,
if
a
horse
comes
to
a
screeching
halt,
he's
going
to
slide
whether
it's
brick
concrete,
but
I
think
the
stamp
would
give
him
a
little
extra
traction
but
I'll.
Let
do
you
think
that
would
be
more
traction.
A
Well,
look
at
limitations,
so
that's
what
what
and
then
we'll
ask
for
some
other
folks
to
come
to
the
microphone
so
the
water
you're
collecting
is
it?
Is
it
going
down
into
the
into
the
landscaped
area?
You
reckon
yes,
where
that
yeah,
okay,
so
to
get
you
it'll
no
longer
come
straight
down
and
and
erode.
That's
that
sounds
like
that'll
be
a
the
water
is,
is
part
of
the
problem.
A
Q
A
Q
B
Q
Q
A
Q
A
A
S
S
S
We
go
back
to
the
picture
from
the
mcneil's
house.
Is
that
the
house
that
you
keep
that's
this
one
is
the
mcniels
that
this
is
89.
I
think
that's
on
here.
That
goes
all
the
way
down
to
their
house
and
has
the
lovely
brick
on
the
sides.
You
know
and
that's
all
the
way
to
the
road
with
a
little
brick
apron.
S
S
S
S
Q
Q
G
S
C
A
A
A
A
Yeah
and
then
you
can,
you
can
go
ahead.
Why
don't
we
would
you
all
consider
a
motion
to
prove
the
insulation
of
the
spot
drain
and
the
continuation
of
the
wall?
The
wall
is
already
a
little
low
landscape
wall
is
already
proved
and
get
that
done
and
then
come
back
administratively
for
whatever
the
surface
is
going
to
be
that
we
have.
A
Q
H
S
B
S
Q
H
Q
C
A
A
Q
C
K
H
K
A
H
To
talk
about
that
just
for
a
minute-
and
I
didn't
think
about
it
until
you
said
it
lucy,
so
you
know
what
we're
talking
about
here
is:
is
28
feet
of
apron
right
and
depending
on
what
material
you
pick
out,
it's
probably
going
to
be
some
pavement,
maybe
some
brick,
maybe
some
asphalt.
We
don't
really
know
yet.
You
know
part
of
the
major
concerns
we've
been
hearing
from
the
neighbors
have
been
all
the
brickwork,
all
the
retaining
walls,
all
the
additional
masonry
work
that
used
to
not
be
there,
and
it
seems
like
that.
H
We
would
take
an
action
and
vote
on
this
either
up
or
down
and
not
send
it
to
an
administrative
approval,
because
this
flies
in
the
face
of
everything
else.
We've
been
seeing
with
this
board
we've
been
saying
it
shouldn't
have
been
administratively
approved.
It
should
come
to
a
full
board
to
vote
on.