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C
A
Okay,
all
right
I
will
call
this
work
session
meeting
of
the
city
of
Aitkin
Planning
Commission,
to
order
it's
five
slightly
after
five
o'clock
on
Tuesday
May,
the
12th
we're
again
doing
it,
as
everybody
knows,
in
a
virtual
manner,
hopefully
in
the
next
by
the
next
meeting.
This
thing
will
have
will
resolved
itself,
at
least
to
the
extent
to
allow
us
to
have
a
have
a
public
meeting
public
meeting
in
some
form
or
another,
because
this
is
very
difficult
to
do
with
which
kind
of
business
we
do.
But,
but
here.
A
A
We
have
got
that
request
from
Kathy
James
and
roberts10
cabins
regarding
the
hours
of
solid
waste
collection
in
the
vicinity
of
residential
properties,
and
we
discussed
it
as
you
all
will
recall
last
meeting
and
we
discussed
it
in
the
in
in
the
way
of
a
zoning,
ordinance
change
or
addition
to
the
zoning
ordinance
changed
change
to
the
zoning
ordinance
or
a
new
zone
order.
So
Ron.
What
do
you
got.
C
Alright
I'll
provide
you
a
little
bit
of
an
update,
so
there
were
several
things
that
the
Commission
asked
for
as
kind
of
supplemental
information.
Again
what
you
had
in
your
packet
and
what
will
show
on
the
screen
here
in
just
a
minute
is
where
you
would,
if
you
were
to
insert
this
into
the
zoning
ordinance
where
and
how
staff
would
recommend
you
do
it.
So
article
3
section
3
of
the
zoning
ordinance
deals
with
specific
requirements
of
certain
uses.
A
good
example
of
that
that
I
often
give
is
with
daycares.
C
We
have
a
certain
amount
of
outdoor
play
area
required,
sometimes
with
some
of
the
outdoor
dining
you
know
in
certain
zone
districts
we
don't
allow
out
so
outdoor
music,
so
there's
kind
of
a
more
specific
requirement.
That's
where
I
would
stick
it
and
I've
if
we
were
to
put
it
in
the
zoning
ordinance
again.
I
also
included
the
noise
ordinance
this
time
for
you
to
look
at
to
see
how
bad
regulates
noise,
but
the
biggest
thing
that
you'll
see
there
is
that
noise
that
sorry
refuse
collection
is
specifically
exempt.
C
C
Found
an
interesting
glitch
that
I
wasn't
aware
of
using
this.
My
apologies,
so
this
is
the
language
that
you
would
see
in
the
in
the
ordinance
and,
and
it
essentially
gives
a
distance
a
buffer
requirement,
which
is
what
the
petitioners
requested
and
essentially
hours
in
which
that
buffer
requirement
would
apply
to
refuse
collection.
Now
again,
this
was
in
response
to
kind
of
a
specific
use.
It
was
the
it
was
a
rebar
plant
down
off
called
an
Avenue
and
across
150
foot.
C
Right
away
is
where
the
petitioners
house
is,
and
so
it's
dumping
large
amounts
of
rebar,
as
you
can
imagine
kind
of
what
noise
that
might
make
and
do
a
trash
truck
fairly
early
in
the
morning
they're
saying
as
early
as
4:30.
Now
the
applicants,
as
well
as
the
Public
Safety
Department,
called
waste
management.
Who
is
the
refuse
collector
and
asked
that
they
will
first
notify
them
that
this
is
in
a
residential
neighborhood?
C
Even
though
it's
not
a
residential
uses
in
residential
neighborhood,
and
so
they
were
going
to
alter
the
schedule
at
least
put
a
note
in
so
waste
management,
though,
being
such
a
large
company
has
a
wide,
they
they'd
like
a
call
center
for
kind
of
a
wide
area,
but
they
do
they
can
that
and
they
and
they
manage
their
routes
from
that
call
center.
So
they
said
that
they
would
make
the
note
in
there
and
last
I
heard
I.
Don't
I
did
not
get
word
that
it
got
picked
up
as
early
last
Friday.
C
C
What
is
the
impact
of
these
buffer
requirements
on
how
many
businesses,
how
many
residents,
and
so
we
had
the
GIS
division
of
the
city,
help
us
out
and
we
included
a
map
and
some
statistics
in
your
handout,
but
in
the
meantime,
as
I
got
to
looking
at
it,
there
was
kind
of
the
analysis
was
kind
of
needed
to
be
run.
Both
ways
and
I'll
kind
of
show
you
what
that
means.
C
So
the
first
map
I
ever
broken
into
the
map
that
you
have
in
your
packet
I've
broken
into
two
men
when
I
call
kind
of
I
guess
the
north
side
map
and
the
south
side
map
probably
gets
cut
off
by
the
worst
district
which
doesn't
have
commercial
uses
per
se
in
there.
So
so
there
with
parcels
there
are
approximately
almost
2,000
1900
business
parcels
in
the
city
of
Aitkin.
If
you
buffer,
that
by
residential
parcels,
there
are
within
a
300
foot
distance
of
those.
So
about
a
football
field.
C
You
have
2392
residential
parcels
and
if
you
widen
that
to
500,
which
is
what
the
applicants
are,
the
petitioners
request.
As
we
look
at
there's
over
3600
now.
We
also
turn
that
into
addresses
and
there
are
2700.
There
are
27
47
address
points
that
are
non-residential
in
the
city,
so
that
kind
of
gives
you
a
range
partials.
Obviously
there
can
be
multiple
address
points
per
parcel,
particularly
for
commercial
businesses.
So
there's
you
know
that's
one
way
of
saying
and
ballpark
and
you.
A
C
It
toward
the
see
how
many
residences
would
be
impacted,
we
kind
of
provided
a
map.
The
red
on
here
is
the
is
a
residential.
It's
a
300
foot
buffer
and
the
blue
is
a
500
foot
buffer,
so
going
back
here
is
I
think
you
can
see
my
pointer,
so
this
is
downtown.
Richland
is
coming
through
here,
us
one
and
then
coming
out.
C
You
have
Lauren
Street,
which
turns
into
Edgefield
Highway
and
divides
off
York
up
into
Columbia
Highway,
and
that
the
the
node
you
see
over
here
is
the
hospital
and
University
and
then
down
here
is
like
Walmart,
and
so,
if
I
go
up
to
the
south
side
for
orientation
as
you're
coming
down
out
of
the
south,
that's
not
part
of
the
map
itself
into
whiskey,
Road
corridor.
Here's
where
whiskey
and
pine
logs
you
see
here.
The
mall
is
kind
of
this
bubble.
C
You
see
here
all
the
way
down
to
near
pretty
close
to
powder
house,
and
then
this
is
the
pine
logging,
road
and
Hitchcock
Parkway
corridor
as
you
head
out.
So
that's
that's
the
residential
side
analysis.
Now
we
did
an
additional
couple
maps
and
these
are
how
many
kind
of
working
the
other
way
if
I
start
with
residential
properties,
if
I
go
300
feet
from
those
and
500
feet
from
those
how
many
businesses
are
actually
impacted
by
it.
C
So
if
you
see
a
blue
parcel
on
here,
again
kind
of
already
needed
in
the
map
edge
field
highway
coming
down
as
York
Street
coming
out,
this
is
Richland
coming
across
here,
the
blue,
our
commercial
parcels
within
300
feet
of
a
residential
parcel.
The
500
feet
is
the
kind
of
rose
or
red
color
you
see,
so
you
can
kind
of
see
what
the
difference
there
and
with
that
300
foot
buffer.
C
It
impacts
1102,
commercial
personals
or
at
least
non
residential
parcels,
and
that's
1700
address
points
almost
1,800
with
the
500
foot
as
I
move
on
to
the
Southside
map
here,
getting
whiskey
roads,
kind
of
cutting
there
from
the
top
of
the
screen
and
slanting
down
to
the
right.
The
circle
you
see
at
the
bottom
is
the
mall
kind
of
the
node
you
see
in
there
in
the
middle
is
the
triangle
between
silver
bluff,
fine
log
and
and
whiskey
the
500
foot
buffer.
C
Then
you
kind
of
see
an
uptick
there's,
obviously,
but
it's
not
necessarily
exponential
1386
parcels.
Business
parcels
are
non
non
residential
parcels
and
over
2100
address
points.
So
roughly
so
500
500
foot
parcel
could
impact
around
70
almost
1,800
businesses
500
around
2100
businesses,
currently.
A
F
C
Is
this
is
the
this?
Is
the
first
student
of
these
I
mean
you
do
occasionally
hear
the
just
a
general
complaint
about
you
know?
Dumpster
I
can
hear
the
dumpster.
You
know
at
the
commercial
center.
You
know
when
it
gets
dumped,
it's
not
necessarily
hourly
bait.
So
there's
just
the
sound
of
you
know.
This
is
the
only
grill
hourly
based
complaint
that
I've
heard.
G
C
There
were
about
three
around
this
particular
use
and
then
I
think
there
were
two
or
three
just
kind
of
scattered
about
some
of
those
being
city.
Employees,
I
said
hey,
you
know,
I
noticed
you
guys
were
talking
about
this
and
in
Ada
County
and
all
of
them,
I
will
say,
were
around
and
near
downtown
for
at
least
the
old
town
area,
the
the
grid
system,
but
about
three
of
them.
Three
or
four
of
them
were
associated
with
this
particular
business.
C
A
Guess
you
know,
from
my
perspective,
Ryan
I,
don't
I
think
this
creating
an
entire
new
ordinance
seems
to
me
to
be
a
little
bit
of
overkill
and,
and
so
I
I
would
not
mind
following
up
with
you
with
the
business
in
either
from
a
letter
from
us
from
you,
the
Planning
Commission
from
the
city
from
the
police,
anybody
suggesting
that
they
rearranged
their
time
and
see
before
we
go
the
route
of
a
hole
creating
a
whole
new
zoning
ordinance.
Listen!
A
A
A
That's
that
would
be
my
suggestion.
You
know
if
somebody
wants
to.
If
somebody
wants
to
deal
with
it
further,
they
can
make
a
motion
in
the
you
know,
public
meeting
and-
and
we
can
discuss
it
further,
but
I
it's
a
little
bit
of
overkill
to
go
a
whole.
The
whole
way
on
this
thing
with
the
new
ordinance,
but
that's
just
me.
G
A
C
Yeah
well,
the
department
will
work
with
Public
Safety
to
try
to
monitor
that
we
will
end
with
the
property
owner
and
we
will
we
will
maybe
officially
let
the
business
know
that
they're
there
has
gotten
to
a
point
where
there
has
been
a
petition
for
an
ordinance
and
if
they
could
possibly
change
the
way
they
are.
You
know
scheduling
this
particular
use.
We
might
be
able
to
come
to
some
some
sort
of
resolution
on
this
particular
case
ordinance.
A
A
B
C
A
C
So
we
have
that's
interesting
as
we
research
the
history
on
these.
There
were
applications
within
a
month
of
each
other.
The
two
items
you
have
before
you
in
the
20
2005
spring
of
2005
Planning,
Commission
meetings
and
minutes,
I
will
say
neither
of
those
enough
time
has
passed
that
neither
of
those
currently
apply.
So
we
do
have
a
lot
of
comments
that
were
you
received,
so
starting
with
the
kemper
downs
phase,
2
as
I
would
call
it.
C
C
So
the
Kim
pronounced
neighborhood
is
zoned
rs6,
it's
on
the
edge
of
town.
It's
it
makes
up
the
city
limit
along
pine
log
Road,
and
this
is
just
a
little
bit
east
of
Richardson's
Lake
Road,
you
kind
of
see
other
residential
uses
there
surrounding
it.
It's
actually
the
size
of
an
old
mine
property
which
is
kind
of
why
you
can
see
some
wetlands
there
in
the
air
photo
toward
the
center
of
the
property
it.
If
you
can
see
my
pointer,
it
takes
up
this
kind
of
entire.
That
this
is
mean.
C
This
is
the
whole
parcel,
but
only
tonight
is
just
consideration
of
this
kind
of
eastern
portion
was
being
proposed,
is
essentially
a
mirror
image
of
the
Kemper
downs
neighborhood.
As
far
as
extending
another
Road,
so
coming
I
mean
North
is
just
to
the
left
of
the
map.
So,
if
you're
coming
in
off
pine
log,
you
come
down
here
into
the
existing
neighborhood
there's
a
loop.
This
is
a
stub
out
here
that
currently
exists,
and
that
is
proposal
to
go
into
this
side
of
the
neighborhood,
which
has
like
I,
said
almost
a
mirror
loop.
C
The
kind
of
difference
is,
is
that
there
there
are
so
there
are
74
residential
units.
I
think
there
are
71
in
the
current
face.
There
are
74
on
this
side.
This
side
sent
between
the
time
that
the
original
Kemper
downs
request
came
through
and
was
considered
and
under
construction,
and
this
request
there
is
a
new
council
policy
that,
if
it's
over
a
certain
size,
a
certain
acreage
that
you
have
to
come
in
as
a
plan
district.
So
it's
kind
of
odd.
C
C
The
one
issue
that
we
kind
of
kept
running
into
and
I
would
say
that
the
primary
issue
that
we
hear
coming
from
all
these
comments
is
the
traffic.
There
is
right
now,
one
way
in
and
one
way
out
of
this,
they
there
is
about
fifty
nine
estimated
trips
would
be
generated
by
this
half
alone.
That's
peak
hour
trips,
which
is
our
current
standard.
The
current
side
has
almost
a
very
similar
amount
of
trips,
so
it
would
be
about
130
trips
total
for
the
whole
development
in
and
out
of
the
same
entrance.
C
Here
again,
this
is
kind
of
only
this
section.
You
have
quite
a
bit
of
topography
here
through
the
middle
of
the
site.
Now
there
is
an
another
entrance
into
the
larger
parcel
about
right
here.
That
I
think
must
might
have
been
the
old
road
into
the
mine
I'm.
Guessing
the
applicants
can
probably
try
and
better
than
I
could,
but
that
that
essentially
kind
of
follows
down
along
this
line
and
and
and
goes
from
I
think
a
pretty
poorly
paved
road
into
a
gravel
road.
C
At
some
point,
the
original
concept
that
that
did
not
get
approval
at
for
annexation
back
I
know:
oh
five
had
kind
of
a
two-sided.
It
had
kind
of
a
build-out
for
the
whole
thing
as
an
rs6
neighborhood,
so
that
originally
there
were
some
some
access
points
kind
of
thought
about
over
on
this
side,
but
but
kind
of
due
to
the
scaled
back
nature.
This
they're
proposing
a
single
access
point
that
would
come
out
of
the
Kemper
Downs
mariga's
Bay
Meadows
drive
to
Kimber
downs,
Drive.
C
D
Sorry
are
there
any
laws
that
state
that
you
know
with
an
enclosed,
neighborhood,
xmi
houses?
You
have
to
have
more
than
one
access
and
I'm
thinking
yeah
when
you
go
to
a
building
they've
got
thanks
to
my
people
can
be
maximum
in
the
building
for
safety
reasons.
What,
if
any,
are
there
laws
for
homes
that
have
only
one
way
in
one
way
out
so.
C
We
really
don't
have
anything.
The
closest
thing
we
have
is
that
there's
not
supposed
to
be
over
a
thousand
feet
without
some
ability
for
a
fire
apparatus
to
turn
around
again,
so
it
doesn't
get
caught
up
in
there
and
have
to
take
a
sign
getting
out
if
I
had
to
go
to
another
call
that
sort
of
thing
we
kind
of
question
about
whether
that
is
a
you
know,
the
the
circle
drive
itself
kind
of.
C
Does
that
for
you,
as
far
as
traffic
and
and
30
trips,
peak-hour
sounds
fairly
significant
and
I'm
sure
it
is
if
everybody
is
essentially
coming
down
the
same,
the
same
Road
but
just
kind
of
get
comparison.
The
AU's,
such
as
like
a
4,000
square
foot,
convenience
store
like
on
the
corner
of
Richardson,
Lake
and
and
pine
log,
for
instance,
probably
generates
double
that
peak
hour.
So
this
is,
it's
not
I
would
say
the
intersection
itself.
C
We
know
we
didn't
do
a
traffic
study
didn't
hit
the
hundred
units
that
could
be
required
essentially,
would
that
be
looking
at
mostly,
we
know,
would
be
things
like
right
and
left
turn
lanes
out
of
the
neighborhood,
whether
it
would
warrant
left
in
we
kind
of
suspect
it,
probably
wouldn't.
If
there
were
a
traffic
study
done,
it
doesn't
quite
look
rise
to
that
level,
but
I
think
it
is
a
kind
of
valid
concern
about
how
you
keep
people
from
I.
Guess
you
know
speeding
through
the
neighborhood.
C
One
thing
that
we
had
considered
is
potentially
a
bulb
out
requirement
between
the
two,
essentially
maybe
anneal,
an
island.
You
know
median
or
something
where
you
could
one
turn
around
an
apparatus
and
to
it
cost.
Somebody
have
to
slow
down
to
get
from
like
phase
2
into
phase
1.
Aside
from
that,
yeah
there's
not
unnecessarily
a
request
for
a
it's,
always
really
good
policy
to
try
to
interconnect
your
streets
to
that.
C
This
is
why
it's
good
to
have
a
network
and
give
people
options
of
ways
in
and
ways
out,
but
but
they're
those
and
this
and
we're
looking
at
it
other
than
that.
That
kind
of
I
think,
like
I,
said
probably
an
old
mining
Road
into
there,
not
a
lot
of
options
other
than
having
to
pour
a
lot
of
pavement
out
to
either
Richardson
Lake
or
up
to
right.
D
So
I
guess
my
last
question
will
be
this
developer.
They
owned
the
rest
of
the
land
that
you
showcased.
Is
there
their
goal
in
the
future
to
have
another
access
point
that
would
eventually
connect
with
their
first
access
point
or
their
first
neighborhood
being
built.
Let's
say
the
first
part
of
their
neighborhood
connects
through
the
Kemper
neighborhood,
because
they're
planning
to
have
an
another
access
point
at
a
future
date,
and
that
will
this
problem
in
the
future
and.
C
D
C
And
we
could
probably
bring
in
the
the
applicant
if
you
want
to
ask
that
at
them
here
or
at
the
meeting.
Maybe
they
could
just
take
take
note
of
that
for
the
meeting,
but
as
I
believe
my
understanding
is
is
that
we
have
an
individual
that
owns
a
property,
but
the
individual
developing
the
property
is.
Is
somebody
different
and
at
this
point
they're
only
kind
of
looking
at
doing
that?
One
section.
F
I
drove
through
there
last
night
at
about
6:30
just
to
see
and
you're,
not
getting
the
fire
truck
down
that
road
I
mean
without
taking
out
some
carlin
sideview
mirrors
I'm
telling
you,
because
there's
families
in
there
that
have
four
cars
that
can't
fit
on
that
driveway
I
mean
I,
went
through
I
mean
I
could
barely
get
my
truck
last
night.
I,
don't
know
I
know
they
mentioned
speeding.
I,
don't
know
how
people
speed
through
there
as
tight
as
it
is,
but
I
have
some
serious
reservations,
not
with
the
housing
itself.
F
I
think
that's
a
good
thing,
but
but
that
egress
it
doesn't
seem
like
a
problem.
Unless
you
physically
drive
through
it
and
I
did
and-
and
it's
it's
somewhat-
you
know
concerning
to
me
I'd
like
to
have
Public
Safety
drive
through
there
or
assess
it
just
to
see
what
they
think
you
know
before.
I
can
confidently
vote
on
this
thing.
I
mean
it's
just
my
opinion.
A
A
I'm
not
sure
we
can
do
that.
No
well,
but
we
can't
do
it
on
anything,
the
additional
stuff
to
the
adjoining
where
it
enters
the
new
subdivision.
I
think
we
can.
We
can
do
some
speed
bumps
there
and-
and
he
said-
and
there
was
some
suggestion
to
about
three-way
stops-
I
think
we
can.
Certainly
you
know
recommend
that
this.
F
F
Then
a
thirty
foot
I
mean
I
got
a
little
bit
of
an
issue
with
the
waivers
I.
Don't
want
to
mess
the
man
up
from
from
the
houses
he
wants
to
build
there,
but
cars
parking
on
the
side
of
the
road
seems
to
be
somewhat
problematic
and
if
you
reducing
the
garage
or
that
the
driveways
face
it
could
lead
to
more
in
the
new
development
park.
I
don't
know
I
thought.
C
A
A
C
C
One
is
that
we
typically
require
a
20-foot
separation
between
two
storey
buildings:
they're
requesting
a
waiver
to
allow
fifteen
feet
between
those
those
multiplex
multi-unit
buildings,
the
the
driveway
with
that
I
think
that's
something
that
may
be
worth
revisiting
at
some
point
in
the
ordinance
is
the
the
driveway
with
in
this
section
of
the
ordinance,
because
that's
a
common
waiver
that
we
we
get
because
I
think.
Well,
basically,
people
got
wider
I
think
since
the
ordinance
was
created
right.
A
C
C
A
C
C
A
E
C
So
as
I
pull
up
in
here,
I'll
don't
do
my
screen
share
again
and
you
can
kind
of
see
from
the
air
photo
so
that
first
phase
plat
that
there
is
a
stub
out
here
on
the
plat.
So
again,
some
of
that
might
have
you
have
been
improved
for
for
driveway.
But
that's
that's
part
of
the
road
system.
Although
stated
the
roads
are
City
bacon
roads
so
which
is
a
good
point,
because
we
can't
like
require
speed,
pumps
on
or
speed
humps
on
other.
C
D
C
Public
safety
has
gone
back
sometimes
and
required
only
parking
on
one
side
of
the
road.
For
instance,
they've
put
no
parking
signs
up
on
on
one
side
of
the
road.
If
there's
a
concern
about
that,
but
then,
if
you're
gonna
do
that,
you
would
typically
need
to
plan
a
kind
of
central
parking
area
for
overflow.
This
does
not
have
that
the
way
it's
currently
designed.
B
C
C
On
the
other
side,
this
looks
like
you
could
have
a
road
here,
but
that's
also
a
significant
grade.
Change
uphill
here
that
you
would
you
well,
it
looks
like
you
have
the
width
in
a
strict
sense.
By
the
time
you
you
tried
to
grade
it
out
for
a
road
you
would
not
so
yeah.
We
we
looked
at
both
of
those
options
and
then
yeah
the
kind
of
the
option,
and
that
we
did
not
you
know
discuss,
is
that
there
is
the
other
Road
on
the
it's.
That's.
B
C
Do
so,
typically,
if
they're
far
enough
advanced,
we
we
try
to
get
responses,
the
things
that
we
know
for
other
things,
we
kind
of.
If
it's
kind
of
the
same
question.
Over
again,
we've
tried
to
address
them
at
the
meeting
as
part
of
the
meeting
a
lot
of
these
kind
of
came
in
late
and
kind
of
a
lot
of
them
at
one
time,
so
we
were
just
trying
to
manage
which
ones
we
got
on
got
to
you
all
for
consideration
under
this
format.
Okay,.
A
Yeah
this
area,
if
you
you
know,
if
you've
been
there.
Obviously,
if
you,
if
you've
been
in
there,
this
area
was
built,
I
think
in
actually
an
old
mining
it
it's
almost
down.
It's
pretty
far
below
pine
log
road,
though
it
goes
down,
I
mean
it's.
A
it's
gonna
be
very
difficult
to
put
another
Road
in
I
would
suspect
very
expensive,
difficult,
so
I,
don't
know,
I,
don't
know
what?
Wouldn't
you
know,
I
I,
don't
know
how
to
handle
the
situation.
The
current
road,
the
current
road,
is
what
it
is
whatever.
What
is
it?
C
B
B
G
Because
unless
I'm
mistaken,
if
they
were
to
build
both
of
these
at
the
same
time,
it
would
have
required
a
traffic
study
correct,
that's
right
under
the
corners
that
would
have.
But
maybe
we
should
do.
One
now
and
I
would
like
to
see
a
traffic
study
personally,
since
traffic
seems
to
be
most
of
the
concerns
of
pretty
much
all
of
these
people,
and
that
might
be
a
prudent
thing
to
do.
A
Well,
you
got
a
note:
you
gotta
realize
if
you're
gonna
do
that,
it's
gonna
substantially
delay
it
so
hey.
If
that's
the
way,
that's
the
wishes
of
the
of
the
Commission.
It's
gonna
delay
it
and
it's
it's
going
to
be
hard
to
put
another
entrance
into
this
place
off
of
pine
log.
That's
just
too
far
too
big
a
drop.
Now
you
might
could
get
another
entrance
and
on
the
other
side
as
you
as
Clayton
there's,
somebody
said:
if
they
build
another,
they
build
another
addition
or
Steven.
A
F
Mean
really
for
me,
I'd
like
to
just
see
what
the
Department
of
Public
Safety
said
because
I'm
with
you
it's
it's
next
impossible
to
build
another
entrance
in
this
thing
without
spending
some
some
real
money,
that's
right
and
I,
don't
want
to
make
property
worthless
for
the
guy,
but
but
but
I
think
eMAR.
Public
Safety
needs
to
weigh
in
on
this
before
we
just
love.
You
know.
F
A
I
mean
there
might
be
some
way
you
could
you
could
do
the
parking
out
there
I
mean
it
is
in
the
city,
it's
under
the
jurisdiction
of
the
city,
so
there
might
be
a
way
the
city
could
pass
some
rule
or
some
how
about
about
the
parking
and
how
you
park
it
on
one
side
of
the
road
only
or
something
like
that,
or
maybe
make
him
create
a
little
parking
area
that
people
can
overflow
or
something
I.
Don't
know
there
may
be
a
way
to
deal
with
it
and.
C
Just
for
your
kind,
I
guess:
information
with
the
the
traffic
study,
so
a
traffic
study
would
not
yield
you
really
any
information
within
the
subdivision
itself.
What
it
would
tell
you
is
what
the
level
of
service
is
at
the
exit
on
the
pine
log
and
whether
there
are
any
necessarily
necessary
turning
improvements
or
warrants
associated
with
that,
so
that's
kind
of
just
just
so.
You
know
what,
if
you
were
to
require
our
traffic
study,
what
kind
of
information
that
would
yield
I.
G
B
A
It
well
listen,
I
I
hate
to
bring
this
kind
of
move,
because
we've
got
one
more
thing
to
think
about,
and
we
got
to
adjourn
this
meeting.
They
informed
me
about
at
least
five
to
ten
minutes
before
6:00,
so
they
can
set
up
for
the
for
the
public
session.
So
the
other
thing
we
need
to
talk
about
briefly,
so
so
as
far
as
that
goes
as
far
as
a
and
B
the
the
annexation
and
the
concept
plan
approval.
A
You
know
we'll
we'll
hear
from
everybody
at
the
public
session
and
then
we'll
we'll
make
a
motion
and
discuss
it
and
move
on
all
right
see.
This
is
the
concept
playing
approval
or
at
the
end
of
hitting
Haven
tribe,
nearby
notice,
where
that
is
goes,
all
silver
Bluff
Road,
a
hidden
Haven,
runs
back
in
there,
and
this
is
another.
D
A
C
So
a
lot
of
the
same
concerns
I'll
bring
up
again
find
a
way
here
to
share
my
screen
with
you
and
kind
of
walk
through
some
of
that.
But
again
we
got
a
lot
of
comments
on
this
and
again
you
you
come
back
in
through
hidden
Haven
Drive.
You
pass
the
townhomes
between
the
townhomes
and
the
executive
office
park
off
of
Silver
Bluff,
there's
a
small
s
curve
here,
which
turns
into
hidden
Hey,
and
then
you
have
a
50-foot
right-of-way
here
down
Polaris
and
these
off
to
the
side
are
25
rights
away.
C
So
you
have
a
50-foot
right-of-way
here
down
the
middle
and
it
the
the
proposed
subdivision
connects
through
there
right
now,
its
own
planned
residential,
which
is
why
it's
coming
back
to
you
through
a
concept
plan
review,
so
we're
kind
of
turning
sideways
here
you
that
Polaris
Drive
comes
up
here.
There's
two
city
well
sites
here
or
the
residents
in
the
middle
of
them.
You
come
up
and
they're,
showing
kind
of
a
long
stretch
here
before
you
have
kind
of
this
long,
extending
double
cul-de-sac
that
comes
off
of
player
us
again.
C
We
kind
of
have
an
issue.
If
we
go
back
to
the
to
the
air
photo,
you
have
essentially
no
this
there's
a
25-foot
buffer
owned
by
the
Woodside
POA.
That
extends
along
both
sides
of
the
Primmer
here
of
the
development.
So
you,
without
punching
through
that
and
ended
woods,
wood
sides
Road
grid,
an
alternative
connection
again
isn't
possible
same
way
with
the
the
neighborhood
appear,
green,
which
there's
really.
These
are
all
homes
lying
here.
There's
really
no
opportunity.
No
there's!
C
No
stub
outs,
nothing
along
those
lines,
so
we
end
up
with
again
kind
of
a
development
at
the
end
of
a
long
stretch.
Now
in
this
week
we
absolutely
are
advocating
for
there
to
be
some
sort
of
bulb
out
or
something
probably
in
this
vicinity
with
this
feature
that
would
allow
for
a
turnaround.
So
if
our
truck
doesn't
have
to
go
all
the
way
down
to
the
those
two
cul
de
sacs
to
be
able
to
turn
around,
which
is
over
a
thousand
feet
back,
there
I
think
we
estimated
around
1,600
feet.
C
So
these
are
80
duplexes,
so
so
the
80
duplicate
is
40
buildings,
they're
shown
as
as
divided
ownership,
so
kind
of
a
townhome
concept,
or
essentially
your
only
half
of
a
building.
Again.
Some
of
the
same
concerns
is
is
that
it
turns
into
kind
of
a
long
stretch
out
into
to
when
you
eventually
get
out
two
silver
bluff.
One
thing
that
was
kind
of
nice,
I
guess
for
the
folks
that
currently
live
back.
There
is
with
the
silver
bluff
improvements.
C
So
again,
if
you
have,
the
two
together
would
bump
out
over
over
the
the
100,
but
it's
a
situation
where
they,
you
know
you.
These
are
both
all
city-owned
roads
as
well,
so
speed
humps
can
can
come
into
play
as
a
consideration.
Also,
there
is
a
four-way
stop
currently
weather
I,
don't
know
how
much
is
monitor
or
used
here
at
Polaris
and
and
hidden
Haven
there's.
This
is
a
four-way
stop
right
now
currently
signed
as
such.
C
Now
a
couple
things
that
kind
of
keep
coming
up
as
part
of
the
previous
application
that
never
it
was
approved
in
oh
five,
but
never
developed,
is
that
there
were
some
cost-sharing
associated
with
with
essentially
redoing
some
of
these
roads,
adding
sidewalks
taking
out
this
s-curve
right
now.
There's
you,
you
probably
maybe
seen
some
comments
come
through,
but
I,
don't
think
with
the
current
geometry
there
and
and
with
Woodside
developing
this
corner
here
that
that's
a
feasible
thing
to
do
is
a
straight
out
the
best
curve.
C
A
C
C
C
Woodside
makes
the
most
sense,
but
we
do
not
have
permission
as
a
city
to
cross
the
PIO
a
buffer
that
Woodside
storm
sewer
was
designed
at
the
time
and
thought
I
believe
they
thought
it
wasn't
going
to
be
annexed.
You
know
we
didn't
plan
for
it
to
be
taken
on
by
the
city,
but
it
has
since
been
taken
on
that's
why
there's
no
easement
to
stub
out
to
a
property
on
the
other
side,
so.
A
C
I
think
is
they
yeah?
That's
automatically
condition
that
goes
without
saying
so
this
gets
approved.
It
doesn't
obligate
it
you're,
not
necessarily
approving
a
connect
to
the
Woodside.
You
don't
have
the
authority
to
do
that,
but
it
allows
them
to
kind
of
work
on
how
that
would
happen,
but
yeah
they
absolutely
have
to
meet
the
city
stormwater
requirements
as
part
of
the
next
phase
of
this.
If
they
were
together
now.
C
C
B
C
Yeah,
why
are
you
talking
about
this
yeah
yeah
I?
Think
that's
an
access
road
to
get
to
serve
it
to
be
able
to
service
the
pond.
So
this
is
the
stormwater
pond.
This
is
a
so
you
can
so
you
could
get
back
there
to
be
able
to
manage
the
landscaping.
This
over
here
is
an
existing
sanitary
sewer,
easement
well,.
B
C
C
C
Something
that
I
think
you
could
recommend
the
camel
to
look
at
if
you
wanted,
if
you
wanted
to
pursue
any
of
those,
but
that's
yeah,
I
can't
I
couldn't
tell
you
like
right
now,
for
instance
like
where
the
funding
might
come
from
for
the
city
to
assist
with
something
like
that.
I
know
it
I
know:
I,
don't
have
it
in
the
pan
planning
department,
budget,
yeah.
A
And
you
know
and
what
you
know
what
is
at
this
at
this
particular
moment
you
talk
about
tight
budgets.
They
are
really
gonna
start
getting
tight.
Now,
that's
I'm,
afraid,
I'm
afraid,
but
we'll
see,
I,
don't
know
but
I'm
afraid
it's
gonna
be
bad.
Okay!
Well,
let's,
let's
a
turn
the
work
session
and
we'll
reconvene
in
five
minutes.
Thank
you
all
right.