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Athens City Council - February 22, 2021
A
Good
evening
and
welcome
to
athens
city
council,
it's
monday
evening
february,
22nd
2021.
It
is
seven
o'clock
at
night
and
we
have
a
series
of
three
committee
meetings,
the
first
of
which
will
be
the
planning
and
development
committee.
The
chair
of
that
is
council
member
fall
and
she's
joined
by
council
members.
Reisner
grace
and
smedley.
B
Great
thank
you
tonight
we
have
several
agenda
items.
First
is
mending
a
ordinance
that
we
passed
last
year
about
the
affordable
housing,
that's
going
on
in
the
university
states,
and
sarah
grace
is
going
to
be
putting
bringing
that
on
because
it's
coming
under
the
affordability,
the
housing,
affordability.
Thank
you.
C
Thank
you,
member
fall
and
yeah.
We
discussed
this
at
our
last
affordable
housing,
commission
meeting
and
what
it
comes
down.
C
To
that,
the
city
entered
into
with
the
developer
for
for
building
some
homes
out
at
university
estates,
due
to
a
few,
a
few
different
things
that
we
need
to
amend
that
agreement
and
because
city
council
approved
the
initial
agreement,
then
any
any
changes
to
that
should
also
come
through
council.
C
Additionally,
we
have
asked
that
the
buildings
be
solar,
ready
and
solar
ready,
also
needed
to
be
defined
for
the
agreement,
and
so
for
the
purposes
of
this
agreement.
Solar
ready
means
planning
and
design
of
housing
units
that
includes,
to
the
full
extent
possible
utilization
of
the
housing
construction
guidelines
of
the
national,
renewable
energy,
laboratory,
solar,
ready
buildings,
planning,
guide
technical
report
nrel
and
so-
and
there
is
a
link
included
to
that
that
planning
guide
so
we're
asking
that,
to
the
extent
possible
they
build
to
those
to
those
definitions
and
to
those
guidelines.
C
The
additional
change
is
something
that
was
certainly
unsettling
for
the
affordable
housing
commission
and
we
talked
about
it
quite
a
bit.
So
I
want
to.
C
I
want
to
try
my
best
to
accurately
represent
the
affordable
housing
commission
on
this,
as
well
as
introducing
the
amendment
to
to
the
ordinance
and
so
that
the
change
is
that
the
developer
came
to
the
city,
and
it
said
that,
because
of
dramatic
increases
in
construction
cost,
they
are
no
longer
able
to
build
and
sell
units
at
the
price
we
had
previously
agreed
on.
And
so
I
did
just
a
little
bit
of
research
and
looked
into
things
and
in
2020,
for
example,
the
cost
of
lumber
for
construction
increased
about
130
percent.
C
So
if
you're
talking
about
building
50
two
and
three
bedroom
town
homes,
just
just
the
lumber,
the
cost
in
lumber
is
going
to
be
a
dramatic
increase.
And
so
our
original
agreement
had
said
that
we
would
be
setting
the
initial
sale
price
of
each
unit
at
an
amount
not
to
exceed
two
hundred
and
twenty
thousand
dollars.
C
And
they
have
have
asked
that
we
increase
that
base
sale,
price
to
240
000.
C
So
I
think
that,
as
as
one
member
of
the
affordable
housing
commission
stated
that
in
our
meeting
discussing
this,
if
we
want
this
development
to
go
forward,
we
can't
we
need
to
to
give
them
the
flexibility
to
do
this,
because
if
they
are
unable
to
to
build
it
and
and
then
sell
the
units
at
a
price
that
keeps
them
in
the
black
as
as
a
business,
then,
and
then
they
simply
won't
be
built.
C
The
project
won't
go
forward
and
the
while
240
000
as
a
base
price
for
for
a
town
home
initially
doesn't
strike
many
in
athens
as
what
what
we
think
of
as
affordable
it
is.
It
is
still
a
housing.
C
It
fills
a
need
in
the
housing
market
in
athens
and
we
discussed
the
fact
that
at
the
time
that
the
housing
the
affordable
housing
commission
was
meeting,
there
were
fewer
than
15
homes
available
for
sale
in
athens
city,
school
district
between
150
and
300
000
dollars.
C
So
there
are
very
few
homes
on
the
market
in
in
that
price
price
range
and,
of
course,
those
that
are
are
in
a
very
wide
range
of
condition
and
so
to
have
new,
universally
designed
so
they're
really
accessible
to
individuals
that
might
have
mobility
issues,
their
energy,
efficient,
solar,
ready,
quality
construction
units
on
the
market
for
this
price.
C
Ultimately,
when
when
the
affordable
housing
commission
voted,
we
we
voted
to
recommend
to
council
this
this
change,
but
there
there
were
some
concerns
just
because
of
of
the
price
increase.
So
I
wanted
to
sort
of
put
that
all
out
there.
I
know
it's
it's
kind
of
a
lot
for
for
an
amendment
to
an
agreement
that's
already
gone
through,
but
I
just
feel
that
I
needed
to
sort
of
accurately
represent
that
discussion
and
our
our
city,
planner,
paul
logue,
is
is
here
at
the
meeting.
C
I
appreciate
that
and
he's
also
on
the
affordable
housing
commission
and
has
been
very
involved
in
this.
So
I'm
sure
we
we
would
attempt
to
answer
any
questions.
People
might
have.
D
Thank
you,
member
grace.
I
appreciate
that
context.
I
think
it
was
very
appropriate
and
needed
and
helpful
to
understand
the
bigger
picture
of
the
that
conversation.
I
do
have
two
questions.
D
The
first
question
is
related
to
item
b.
Just
before
the
item
you
were
just
discussing
where
you
reference
a
specific
document.
Is
it
all?
Is
it
common
to
do
that
and
I
only
bring
it
up
because
I
I
wonder
you
know
this
document
is
dated
2009.
D
If
there
would
be
an
opportunity
a
time
when
that
would
be
updated,
would
we
be
able
to
then
use
the
more
more
updated
version
of
that
document
and
if
and
then
the
other
suggestion
would
be
to
be
more
generic
about
the
document
so
that
we
can
automatically
use
the
more
updated
one
once
it's
available
and
then
my
other
question
is
you
know
my?
I
had
concerns
about
item
four
as
well,
and
I
have
a
better
understanding
of
that
now.
D
So
I
again,
I
appreciate
that
context
and
this
might
be
a
question
for
our
for
mayor
and
paul
logue
as
well.
Do
we
have
initiatives
or
plans
in
place
that
might
address
what
you
brought
up
in
terms
of
dealing
with
housing
costs
and
and
housing
opportunities
that
might
be
under
that
240
000
amount.
E
You
know
I
can
start
erin
smedley
members
medley.
Thank
you
because
we
have
had
lots
of
conversations
about
that.
You
know
there.
There
is
still
significant
developable
space
land
here
in
athens
and
I'm
speaking
all
of
athens
that
there
are
areas
where
we
have
identified
that
there
could
be
development,
and
this
was
our
first
start
at
doing
a
tiff
like
this.
To
help
offset
the
costs
of
the
infrastructure.
That's
needed
is
in
particular,
when
you've
got
open
land.
When
you
have
open
space
that
has
no
infrastructure.
E
Although
the
ability
to
ultimately
tie
in
and
expand
out,
we
will
continue
to
look
at
that
and
continue
to
look
at
other
ways
of
moving
forward
with
more
what
we
are
all
thinking
of
as
truly
affordable
housing
here
in
the
city
of
athens.
This
is
a
start,
that's
not
an
excuse.
It's
a
reality
and
unfortunately,
what
we're
experiencing
is,
you
know,
90
to
100
percent
cost
increase
in
things
such
as
lumber.
E
The
building
materials
due
to
the
pandemic
have
really
exposed
the
entire
united
states
and
around
the
globe
as
to
what
happens
when
you
are
really
in
a
supply
and
demand
issue
to
where
supply
is
low,
demand
is
high
and
due
to
that
that
impact
on
supply,
unfortunately
or,
however,
you
want
to
think
about
it.
Prices
tend
to
go
up
when
that
supply
is
down
and
demand
is
way
up,
and
that's
one
of
the
things
with
this
particular
project
now
and
it's
directly
related
to
the
pandemic.
E
We
will
eventually
come
out
of
the
pandemic,
and
once
we
do
again,
we'll
have
taken
this
particular
process,
hopefully
with
council's
approval
through
its
steps
to
see
how
it
works
to
where
we
can
use
this
as
a
template
moving
forward.
But
member
smedley
we're
absolutely
looking
at
other
projects
that
could
happen
around
the
city.
That
would
be
more
within
that
140
150
on
up
price
range,
because
we
need
that
too.
E
Had
it
not
been
this
developer
coming
forward
and
saying
hey,
we
understand
that
you're
aware
of
this,
this
type
of
a
tiff
within
a
neighborhood
development
tiff,
and
would
you
could
we
at
least
meet
about
this
and
move
it
forward?
Hence
it
be
coming
before
council
several
times
as
a
way
to
move
forward.
It's.
It
is
unfortunate,
and
I
make
no
bones
about
that.
When
it
comes
to
the
increase,
the
alternative
would
be,
there
will
be
no
development
of
new
housing.
E
You
know
within
this
particular
program
that
is
to
me
equally
disturbing,
as
we
try
to
move
forward
to
make
sure
that
we've
got
more
affordable
housing
for
people
who
want
to
live
work
and
play
here
in
athens
and
athens
county.
C
Yeah,
thank
you
paul
did
you
want
to
add
to
that
answer
for
members
medley.
F
Yeah
good
evening,
everybody
just
a
minute
or
two,
if
I
may,
and
just
to
thank
you
for
giving
me
the
opportunity
to
speak
and,
of
course,
just
to
kind
of
reinforce
what
remember
grace
was
saying
and
also
mayor,
patterson,
there's
a
couple
things
to
look
at
with
what
we're
learning
really
quick
here
and
we
we
kind
of
went
into
this
tiff,
for
this
is
a
first
time
endeavor
for
the
city
that
we've
gone
down
using
a
residential
tif
model.
F
F
Is
that
in
order
to
get
that
infrastructure
built,
you
have
to
build
homes
and
sell
them
at
400
or
500
000,
and
that's
what
we've
seen
at
university
estates
or
you
need
to
add
more
homes
and
try
to
scale
it.
You
know
you
scale
you
can
you
can
get
more
homes
in
then
you
can
bring
the
price
down
per
square
foot
we're
seeing
a
perfect
storm
with
the
cost
for
materials.
Right
now,
and
I
and
I
shouldn't
that's
in
some
ways-
I
guess
that's
a
pun.
F
Interest
rates
are
historically
low
by
any
margin
by
any
by
any
metric.
I
think
most
of
us
are
probably
well
aware
of
that
you're,
seeing
30-year
fixed
rates
below
two
percent.
Excuse
me
below
three
percent
15-year
fixed
rates
around
two
and
a
quarter
right
now,
so
those
are
like
I,
I
did
mortgages
20
years
ago,
and
I
can
tell
you
those
rates.
Are
you
know
ridiculous?
F
We're
also
seeing
that,
because
of
the
pandemic,
people
who
are
a
lot
of
people
are
home
a
lot
more
often
and
so
they're
doing
home
improvement
projects
because
they're
looking
at
their
homes,
they're
looking
at
their
walls
and
they're
saying:
where
can
we
build
space?
Where
do
we
create
our
home
office?
All
of
those
things
so
there's
that
part
of
it
going
on
there's
also
just
in
general,
especially
in
bigger
cities,
there's
a
lot
of
new
construction
going
on
and
then
lastly,
right
now,
there's
there's
a
lot
of
concern.
F
F
We
just
saw
one
of
the
the
worst
winter
storms
in
the
history.
You
know
in
our
lifetimes
run
through
the
entire
country
and
there's
an
expectation
that
that
storm
is
going
to
increase
building
materials
again,
especially
with
what's
happened
in
texas,
and
so
there
all
of
those
things
are
kind
of
coming
to
a
head.
The
the
developer-
and
I
know
somebody
in
the
chat
asked
who
the
developer
was:
that's
cornerstone
builders
are
based
out
of
albany
they've
done
housing
in
our
community
in
athens.
F
For
for
decades
they
came
to
the
city
and
they
said
we
have
a
real
problem
here.
We
do
want
to
get
this
project
built.
We
can't
do
it
based
on
that
220.
They
thought
they
could
when
we
signed
the
agreement.
The
draft
of
this
was
written
in
in
2020.
F
2019
took
a
long
time,
of
course,
there's
a
we
had
a
pandemic,
we
were
all
going
through
and
there
wasn't
a
lot
of
city,
council
or
city
meetings
going
on
for
a
while
things,
and
then
we
started
ramping
back
up
and
so
now
we're
in
this
situation,
where
we're
trying
to
work
through
this,
the
developers
wanting
to
build
and
they're
telling
us
that
they
they
simply
cannot
do
it.
Based
on
that
220.,
whether
this
is
the
new
norm
for
building
materials,
I
don't
know.
F
I
do
think
this
is
a
good
learning
experience
for
everybody,
but
it's
also
important
to
note
that
if
this
is
what
we
need
to
do
to
get
new
housing
built
of
good
quality
at
a
price
point
lower
than
350
000,
we've
got
a
to
remember.
Smedley's
question
their
comment.
We
do
have
a
you
know
this
isn't
going
to
solve
our
problem.
F
It
is
going
to
get
housing
built
at
a
price
point
that
we're
not
that's
not
being
sold
in
this
community,
but
we
still
have
a
lot
to
learn
and
a
long
ways
to
go
before
we
can
really
say.
Well,
how
can
we
get
125,
000
homes
built
or
125
000
apartments,
there's
and
there's
a
lot
that
we
need
to
talk
about
there.
We've
been
working
on
that
for
years,
we're
not
alone
in
this
problem.
Of
course
this
is.
F
We
know
that
there's
a
housing
crisis
all
over
the
country,
but
we
have
put
in
a
lot
of
time
there's
many
members
of
this
city
council
that
have
been
investing
in
that
michelle
pappy
was
the
one
who
created
the
affordable,
housing,
commission
and
michelle,
and
I
sat
on
a
task
force
with
the
city
and
the
university
trying
to
work
through
that
very
issue.
F
The
big
challenge,
I
think
we
have,
especially
when
it
comes
to
working
within
our
neighborhoods
and
working
within
the
city,
is
you
know
we
at
some
point.
You
need
to
have
resources
to
kind
of
interject
yourself
into
the
market
in
order
to
really
make
that
happen,
and
that
means
you
have
to
somehow
acquire
real
estate
or
have
land
available.
F
That's
generally
something
that
we
don't
have,
but
also
then,
as
soon
as
you
start
looking
for
homes
and
on
in
the
neighborhood
in
athens-
and
you
know,
sellers
know
that
you're
looking
to
buy
and
so
that
that
rises
that
raises
prices
as
well
anyway,
I'm
done
that
was
all.
C
Thanks
sorry
about
that,
no
go
ahead.
Member
reisner.
G
Thank
you.
I
don't
know
if
I
really
have
a
question
or
if
I
just
have
a
lot
of
concerns,
I'm
still
trying
to
get
over
the
shock
because
it
seems
like
we
went
through
an
awful
lot
of
hoops
been
over
backwards
or
any
other
little
analogy
or
metaphor
to
do
our
due
diligence
and
make
this
project
go
forward
and
now
we're
getting
hit
with
this.
G
People
who
could
afford
a
home
like
this
good
salary
or
with
other
resources
behind
them,
can
buy
them
up
and
we're
sort
of
back
where
we
were
with
our
with
the
problem
unsolved.
You
know,
there's
more
houses
there
and
someone
bought
them,
but
it
wasn't
the
target
audience
that
we
had
in
mind.
G
G
You
know
poor
old
norm
had
to
pay
double
for
his
construction
materials
in
order
to
get
the
house
built
and
so
on
and
so
forth
of
course,
but
the
on
the
other
hand,
is
prices
after
this
is
over
will
go
down
all
right.
You
know
things
go
up,
they
go
down.
G
We
could
just
as
easily
have
a
a
reverse
housing
crisis
where
suddenly
there's
homes
on
the
market
and
they
don't
sell.
What
do
you
do
then?
What
are
they
going
to
do
the
people
that
own
them?
G
So
I
don't
know
what
I
I
I'm
confused.
I
just
don't
know
what
to
say
about
this.
I
think
at
the
moment,
if
there
was
a
vote,
I'd
vote
against
it.
That's
how
I
feel
about
it.
That's
it!
That's
all.
I
got
to
say.
C
Well,
the
the
one
thing
that
I'll
say
as
far
as
in
terms
of
does
does
this
address.
The
need
that
we
were
tasked
with
addressing
and
the
affordable
housing
commission
is
is
tasked
with
looking
at
a
lot
of
housing
needs
and
and
not
not
specifically,
low-income
housing,
which
is,
is
a
different
category,
but
we're
we're
really.
We
have
someone
on
the
house.
C
The
affordable
housing
task
force
our
commission
from
economic
development
because
they
work
to
bring
business
development,
economic
development
to
athens,
county
and
the
the
businesses
say,
there's
not
enough
housing
and
we
we
have
a
representative
for
seniors
to
who's.
C
Looking
they're
looking
to
be
sure
there
are
homes
available
to
allow
people
to
safely
age
in
place,
and
I
think
I
think
that's
one
really
ideal
target
market
for
these
townhomes,
because
they're
built
to
universal
design,
so
they've
got
first
floor,
master
bedrooms,
they're,
they're,
fully
accessible
units,
they're
town
homes,
so
there's
going
to
be
lower
maintenance
responsibility.
C
Yeah,
so
it's
if
we
can
provide
homes
to
meet
those
needs
and
needs
for
people
with
disabilities
too.
The
we
are
meeting
needs
of
of
citizens
or
potential
citizens
of
city
of
the
city,
and
hopefully
just
by
having
50
additional
high
quality
units
on
the
market.
C
That
may
cause
the
cost
of
lower
quality
product
to
go
down
so
because
I
know
that
that's
been
a
a
complaint
that
sort
of
the
quality
of
what
you
get
for
for
your
dollar
in
athens
can
be
really
poor.
Sometimes.
G
Now
it's
240.,
the
twenty
thousand
dollar
difference
is,
is
a
big
difference.
You
know
that,
but
that
makes
or
breaks
a
deal
so
well.
I
don't
know.
C
I
guess
I
I
don't
know
what
the
alternative
is
at
this
point
as
far
as
if,
if
we
want
this
type
of
housing
to
be
built,
did
I
know
remember
cloudfilter
and
remember,
fall,
you
were
you
raised
your
hand
earlier.
B
I
think
we're
we're
are
actually
living
through
the
tension.
That
was
when
we
developed
the
affordable
housing
commission
that
it
was
specifically
for
this
type
of
market,
not
not
low
and
moderate
income,
because
they
had
people
at
the
table
already
who
advocated
for
them,
and
there
were
other
programs,
and
then
there
was
seniors,
also
have
similar
things.
So
this
is
an
underrepresented
markets,
so
that
was
one
of
the
assumptions
going
into
creation
of
the
the
housing
and
so
there's
always
been
this
tension
with
what's
affordable
and
those
issues.
B
You
know
we
can
talk
about
those
you
know
in
a
philosophical
way.
I
think
that
for
the
city,
this
is
a
relatively
low
risk,
because
there
is
not
going
to
be
any
taxes
unless
there
is.
You
know
this
development,
so
it's
not
like
we
put
in
the
infrastructure
and
they
may
or
may
not
come,
which
is
something
that
some
cities
have
been
doing,
trying
to
get
different
development
going.
B
I
think
one
of
the
the
issues
that
we've
been
grappling
with
also
is
affordability
within
the
city.
There's
a
lot
of
issues
in
those
and
that's
something
that
we're
taking
from
the
comprehensive
plan
and
from
the
housing
plan
to
be
able
to
better.
B
Make
a
better
priority
and
make
some
goals
and
objective
the
comprehensive
plan
and
process.
So
there
has
been
a
lot
of
work,
and
I
would
like
you
know
like
right
across
the
road-
is
the
wota
development,
which
is
something
that
we've
been
working
on
and
getting
through
and
working
with
wota,
which
is
a
well-known
company
that
does
low
to
moderate
income
and
senior
senior
housing.
They
did
the
the
nelsonville
high
school
awesome
project
you
know,
so
I
think
that
this
is
the
tension,
and
I
understand
what
what
jeff
is
saying
for
us.
B
It's
relative!
It's
not
really
a
huge
output
of
of
capital,
sort
of
thing
when
you
look
at
the
the
first
10
years
and
such
and
there
are
other
sort
of
tools
and
techniques
that
are
going
into
this
to
make
sure
that
they
don't
get
turned
over
too
quickly
and
those
sort
of
things
does
the
pandemic
suck
big
time
sure
you
know
there's.
B
I
guess
you
can't
do
certain
lumbering
sort
of
things
without
doing
that
pandemic
thing,
that's
unfortunate.
At
the
same
time,
this
is
right
in
line
with
a
lot
of
what
the
comprehensive
plan
has
been
saying
and
stuff
and
right
now.
This
is
a
perfect
opportunity
to
be
able
to
work
on
that.
So
thank
you.
H
Well,
thank
you
for
all
your
work
on
this
member
grace
and
and
city
planner,
paul
logue
and
everybody
else
who
has
helped
the
mayor
and
I'm
not
even
sure
who
all
has
helped
because
of
the
tension
that
member
fall
referred
to,
which
I
think
is
real
and
I
think,
there's
a
lot
of
confusion
and
some
tension
in
the
community
about
this.
I
would
respectfully
suggest
that
we
not
call
this
ever
call
this
an
affordable
housing
development.
H
240
dollars
would
be
laughable
to
people
in
town
who
actually
need
affordable
housing
and
I'm
afraid
it
would
hurt
the
credibility
of
the
affordable
housing
commission.
So
maybe
there's
another
term
that
would
convey
exactly
what
it
is,
but
but
really,
but
I
I
will
never
call
it
that
I
would
respectfully
suggest
that
nobody
else
does
either
because
you'll
we're
going
to
get
left
out
of
the
room
at
240
thousand
dollars.
Also.
I
think
that
member
eisner
made
a
good
point
in
his
con.
Well,
several,
but
one
thing
in
particular.
H
I
of
course
do
not
have
a
crystal
ball.
Nor
am
I
an
expert
on
the
housing
market,
but
I
think
with
the
decline
in
enrollment
at
ohio
university
and
the
fact
that
last
year's
startlingly
smaller
freshman
class
they're
going
to
be
juniors
next
year
right.
This
fall
there'll
be
sophomores,
then
they're
going
to
be
juniors
and
that's
when
they'd
be
hitting
the
apartments
and
so
there'll
be
far
fewer
students.
H
Unless
we
get
a
huge
surge
of
transfers
or
something
they'll
be
far
fewer
students
seeking
rentals-
and
I
think
it's
at
least
a
possibility
worth
considering
that
some
of
the
people
who've
been
long-term
landlords
in
athens
may
decide
to
sell
their
buildings
rather
than
have
them
sit
vacant.
Quite
a
few
were
vacant.
This
year
right,
I
saw
more
vacancy
signs
than
I've
ever
seen
during
the
whole
year
and
that's
not
going
necessarily
going
to
get
better
for
several
years
according
to
the
predictions
from
ohio
university.
H
So
it
might
be
that
all
of
a
sudden
there
are
glut
of
houses
on
the
market
granted.
Some
of
the
houses
that
have
been
rentals
rentals
are
not
necessarily
the
same
kind
of
houses
you're
talking
about,
but
I
just
think
that
could
having
a
glut
of
houses
period
might
affect
the
market
or
the
perception
of
the
market.
I
I
don't
know
feel
free
to
tell
me
that
I'm
off
base,
but
I
just
think
that
we
should
be
really
careful
not
to
over,
invest
in
housing
that
people
can't
afford.
C
Well,
I
I
want
to
just
sort
of
reiterate:
remember
falls
statement
that
this
is.
This
is
very
low
risk.
The
city
is,
is
not
we're,
not
investing
city
dollars
in
this
pro
project,
the
the
risk
is
on
the
developer,
who
it's
their
finances
for
that,
and
so
that,
but
I
I
think
it's.
C
C
You
know
selling
quickly
and
average
price
continuing
to
increase
throughout
the
pandemic,
generally
speaking
so
there,
but
also,
I
think
it's
important
that
we
recognize
that
all
cities
have
a
need
for
different
types
of
housing
and-
and
I
think
that
that
townhomes
with
universal
design
is
something
that
that
there
are
not
very
many
of
in
the
in
the
city
at
all,
and
so
I
think
that
that
fills
a
need.
Mayor,
patterson.
E
While
I
100
agree
with
you,
council
member
claude
felder,
because
I've
been
meeting
with
the
landlords
here
in
the
city
of
athens
and
that,
yes,
that
time
may
come
whether
it's
this
year
or
next
year
or
who
knows
when
that
there
could
be
a
period
of
time
where
there
is
a
number
of
former
homes
converted
into
rental
units
being
back
on
the
market
for
anyone,
but
bear
in
mind
that
those
typically
are
not
universally
designed
homes.
And
therein
lies.
E
To
accommodate
someone
who
wants
to
age
in
place.
So
keep
that
in
mind.
E
While
I
don't
disagree
with
you
at
all,
I
think
that
that
likely
will
be
happening,
but
I
think
it's
a
it's
a
much
more
expensive
maneuver
to
try
to
retrofit
a
home
that
was
formerly
a
rental
unit
carved
up
into
a
house
that
could
accommodate
three
unrelated
individuals
and
having
to
flip
that
back
into
a
home
that
someone
could
live
in
and
for
it
to
be
an
age-friendly
home
that
that
would
be
extremely
expensive
and
difficult
to
do
so
this
this.
This
is
a
way
around
that,
quite
honestly,.
I
Well,
thank
you.
Member
grace.
I
want
to
echo
some
of
the
comments
across
the
board
here.
Share
member
eisner's
concerns
about
this
development.
However,
I
am.
This
conversation
keeps
taking
me
to
larger
issues
and
the
larger
issues.
Obviously
the
word
affordable
is
a
relative
term
right.
Something
affordable
to
a
ceo
in
new
york
city
is
a
different
affordability
than
for
me.
I
So
I
look
into
what
the
affordable
housing
commission
is
actually
tasked
with,
and
their
powers
and
duties
do
not
focus
on
affordable
housing.
Even
though
the
commission
is
named
the
affordable
housing,
it
focuses
on
housing
in
general.
So
in
that
respect,
this
development
is
fitting
a
need,
as
you
said,
that
is
relevant
that
is
needed
in
athens,
but
is
not
necessarily
that
low-income
housing,
which
might
be
another
sort
of
focus.
I
So
my
larger
question
on
this
specific
development
is
that
the
ordinance
in
question-
and
I
think,
remember
grace-
knows
I
want
to
bring
up
the
zero
energy
edits
that
that
it
lays
out
that
the
basically
my
questions
are
I'm
assuming
that
the
affordable
housing
commission
is
still
interested
in
in
kind
of
signing
off
on
this
development
that
the
letters
that
they
will
have
to
be
provided
from
the
commission.
The
commission
still
plans
on
on
providing
those.
I
The
developer
must
gain
letters
of
support
from
the
athens,
affordable,
housing
commission
prior
to
construction,
so
I'm
assuming
the
affordable
housing
commission
is
still
going
to
do
that.
I
My
question
is
that
the
ordinance
says
that
the
sort
of
under
a
in
the
in
the
ordinance
all
one
two,
three
four
and
five
and
six-
are
all
laid
out
as
affordable
housing,
commission
goals,
which
include
but
are
not
limited
to,
and
then
it
lists
the
five
or
six
items
which
used
to
have
zero
energy
and
now
that
has
been
removed
and
I'm
curious
if
that's
been
removed
in
this
ordinance
or
that
is
no
longer
a
goal
of
the
affordable
housing.
Commission.
I'm
interested
in
that.
I
I'm
interested
in
if,
if
that
is
also
connected
to
covid
and
price
increases
and
the
amount
that
it
takes,
we
know
that
it.
It
can
be
a
little
costlier
to
do
certain
things
or
it's
again
a
definition
issue.
I
mean
what
is
zero.
You
know,
you
know
how
do
we
it's
kind?
It
just
says
concepts
of
zero
energy.
I
wish
I
had
read
it
with
a
closer
eye,
the
first
time
it
came
around
because
what
does
that
really
mean
so
are
we
trying
to
delve
into
that?
I
I
And,
and
you
know
what
have
its
goals
changed
or
is
it
just
this
project?
Remember
grace.
Thank
you.
C
So
to
the
speaking
to
the
the
goals
of
the
affordable
housing
commission,
no,
our
our
goals
and
priorities
have
not
changed,
but
I
I
would
say
that,
in
contrast
to
what
frequently
comes
to
mind
for
people
when
they
think
affordable
housing
providing
accessible
housing
for
re
seniors
that
wish
to
age
in
place,
even
in
the
225
to
240
price
range,
fits
aligns
with
the
goals
of
the
affordable
housing
commission,
because
that
that
is
a
housing
need
in
the
city
of
athens.
C
It
is
a
need
that
has
been
identified
even
in
that
price
range
as
to
the
zero
energy.
I
emailed
planner
paul
today
to
ask
about
that,
and
so
I
will
I
will
let
him
address
that
portion
of
your
question.
F
Thank
you,
member
grace,
member
crowley,
your
question,
the
the
developers
cornerstone
when
they
reached
out
to
the
city
and
said
that
they
they
had
issue
or
there's.
F
They
were
asking
for
some
definitions,
one
of
the
things,
the
reason
why
they
were
asking
for
that
is,
they
were
going.
They
were
talking
with
a
local
bank
to
get
financing
to
begin.
The
project
is
a
big
financing
deal,
of
course,
for
the
for
the
bank,
and
so
the
bank's
attorney
was
looking
over
the
tiff
agreement,
the
signed
development
agreement
and
said:
what
does
this
stuff
mean
we
need?
We
need
some
definitions
here.
What
are
we?
What
are
we
funding
here?
F
What
do
we,
so
they
they
approached
us
and
said
we
need
some
definitions,
so
I
I
drafted
the
definitions
for
the
base,
sale
price
as
well
as
the
cluster
design
and
the
solar
readiness.
As
I
was
looking
through
definitions
and
saying
to
myself,
what
does
zero
energy
mean?
What
I
was
finding
was
that
zero
energy
is
defined
even
by
the
us
department
of
energy
as
a
a
building
that
is,
is
generating
enough
energy
on
site
so
that
it
is
not
pulling
from
the
grid.
F
It's
it's
it's
it's
it's
neutral
or
zero,
it's
it's,
and
so,
knowing
that
this
project
is
not
going
to
achieve
that,
I
I
recommended
that
we
strike
that
la
that
line
out.
I
don't
have
any
problem
with
us,
keeping
it
in
there
your
your
point
about
it
being
a
goal.
It
is
a.
It
is
a
worthy
goal
for
us
to
have
as
a
city
both
from
housing,
construction,
sustainability
et
cetera.
So
I
don't
have
any
issue
with
us,
keeping
it
in
there
there
might.
F
I
don't
know
if
the
if,
if,
if
they're
there,
their
bet,
their
finance
will
will
have
a
problem
with
that
or
not.
I'm
certainly
happy
to
ask
if
that's
an
issue
that
is
but
to
your
question,
it
is
still
a
goal.
The
reason
I
removed
that
it
actually
seemed
to
me
that
solar
readiness
is
moving
towards
zero
energy
or
yeah
zero
energy,
but
also
the
the
developers.
F
I
It
does
I
mean,
I
think
the
net
zero
energy
or
is
a
is
a
term
that
needs
defined
than
a
developer
yeah,
I'm
concerned
with
a
couple
things
here.
We
could
just
say
energy
efficiency.
Just
as
a
you
know,
this
is
something
that
is
a
foundation
of
the
city
of
athens
and
and
say
we
want
developers
to
be
thinking
about
energy
efficiency,
concepts,
yeah.
F
I
Was
going
to
say
quickly
too
that
that
kind
of
maybe
this
is
to
remember
reisner's
points,
although
he
didn't
say
this
exactly
we're
getting
a
little
bit
into
the
tail
wagging
the
dog
here
right
we
have
this
sort
of
set
of.
This
is
what
we
want
to
do,
and
now
we've
got
the
developer,
saying
well
or
they're,
lawyers
saying
well,
if
you
change
x,
y
and
z
and
raise
the
price
yeah
we'll
do
that.
So
it's
a
little
bit
sort
of
well
where
how
did
we
get
here?
I
But
I
understand
how
we
get
he
got
here
for
this
development
and
it-
and
I
do
think
it's
probably
needed-
I'm
just
wondering
about
the
future,
both
of
the
housing
commission
and
and
how
else
we
go
forward
to
because
we
do.
We
all
know
we
do
need
what
I
would
really
call
affordable
housing
right
for
for
low-income
folks
and
that's
another
problem.
I
We
have
to
solve,
maybe
not
with
this
development,
but
I
appreciate
your
work
and
I
just
wanted
to
shout
out
to
former
member,
my
predecessor
work
that
she
and
all
of
the
members
of
the
affordable
housing
committee
and
noah
trembley
and
all
of
the
universal
design
pieces
really
really
important,
and
I
appreciate
the
work.
Thank
you.
C
Thank
you
before
we
leave
the
topic
of
the
zero
energy.
I
did
a
little
research
on
it
today
and
the
u.s
department
of
energy
has
guidelines
for
zero
energy
ready,
and
so
I
I
thought
perhaps
energy
efficiency
or
zero
energy
ready,
because
you
know
again
we're
saying
this
is
a
goal.
We
want
to
incorporate
as
much
of
these
standards
as
we
can
that,
but
energy
efficiency
could
could
just
be
well.
We've
got
energy
efficient
appliances
which
that's
great,
but
I
I
want
more.
C
I
want
our
standard
to
be
higher
than
that,
and
so
this
is,
of
course,
the
the
committee
discussion
of
this
topic,
so
I
I
think
perhaps
paul
and
I
can
do
some
more
work
and
research
on
the
energy
efficiency,
zero
energy
guidelines
and,
and
hopefully,
planner
paul-
could
have
some
conversations
in
with
with
the
developer
as
far
as
what
where
we
could
land
on
that
before
it's
introduced
as
a
first
reading
member
cloud
filter.
Oh.
H
Sorry,
excuse
me
another
standard
that
is,
that
is
out
there
though
it
also.
It
also
has
some
issues
with
people,
not
in
quite
understanding.
The
definitions
is
the
passive
house
standard
and
maybe
you're
aware
that
the
new
county
ems
building
has
been
built
to
the
passive
house
standard,
which
means
to
your
point
remember
grace.
H
It
has
very
good
insulation
in
the
walls
in
the
ceiling
under
the
slab,
as
well
as
the
energy,
efficient
appliances
and
other
things,
but
it
the
insulation
is
the
real
key
and
I
think
it
has
very
high
highly
efficient
hvac
systems
as
well,
and
so
the
utility
costs
in
that
building
for
the
county
are
going
to
be
really
low,
and
I
don't
know
how
a
developer
would
react
to
mention
of
that.
I
But,
thank
you
just
just
quickly
is
that
yeah.
I
would
definitely
include
that
energy
efficiency
in
the
design
and
construction
and
not
in
the
appliances
or
not
in
other
things,
as
member
claude
felder,
just
pointed
out,
there's
so
much
in
the
design
and
just
simply
the
orientation
of
a
building,
as
we
all
know,
and
if
you
are
already
doing
the
solar
ready,
then
that
should
be
part
of
the
of
the
design
as
well
and-
and
you
know
the
r-value
of
the
installation
and
the
windows.
I
G
G
C
I
think,
because
I
mean
I
haven't
been
the
one
dealing
with
the
developer,
but
we
are
here
because
they
came
to
us.
I
believe
you
know
correct
mayor
and
planner.
They
came
to
us
looking
to
do
something
and
if
you
look
at
all
recent
development
and
and
they
are,
they
are
actively
building
homes
out
at
university
estates,
they're,
not
building
any
that
sell
for,
I
don't
think
even
under
400
right
now.
C
So
so
I
don't
like
I,
like,
I
said
I
I
can't
speak
for
for
the
developers
or
or
what
they're
gonna
say
and
and
remember
they.
They
did
agree
to
cluster
design,
solar
readiness
and
zero
energy.
Initially
that
that
was
in
the
agreement
and-
and
so
I
think,
if
we.
C
On
defining
them,
I
I
don't
get
the
sense
that
they're
out
to
I'll
out
to
just
keep
pushing
the
limits
with
us.
Why
not?
C
Well?
Because
they
could
sell
the
lots
and
build
homes,
400
500
600,
000
homes,
and
then
we.
B
Should
I
think
that
the
idea
they're
not
gonna,
be
able
before,
if
council
signed
off
on
anything
that
will
be
the
price
you
know
so
that
that
we
can
have
that
discussion
as
we
are.
B
I
think
we
also
need
to
use
to
look
at
the
ability
of
us
using
a
tiff,
a
residential
tiff,
to
help
encourage
higher
standard
housing
with
universal
design,
because
those
houses
or
even
those
apartments
are
not
going
to
be
built
even
like
you
know
any
of
the
apartments
that
were
built
in
the
last
10
years.
You
know
they
may
have
one
or
two
units
that
they
were
made
to
do
universal
design,
because
the
state
made
them
do
it.
B
None
of
the
houses
that
they
build
at
university
states
has
any
sort
of
like
really
radical
building
code.
That's
implied
that's
imposed
by
athens
because
we
don't
have
sort
of
thing.
B
The
only
way
to
get
this
many
units
of
universal
design,
which
is
super
important,
especially
for
senior
markets
and
cluster
design,
and
I
think
that
that
seems
like
a
good
trade-off.
You
know
it's
we're
using
a
new
model.
B
It
could
be
a
model
that
works
really
well,
and
then
it
will
be
able
to
be
looked
at
citywide
as
a
tool
just
like
our
our
downtown
development
zones
have
been
a
tool
to
try
to
get
more
development
and
such
so.
This
is
a
new
way
of
of
looking
at
having
homes
that
are
higher
quality
and
affordable
in
the
context
that
we
don't
have
that
market
and
also
the
universal
design,
so
people
can
age
in
place.
So
thank
you.
E
I'll
be
brief,
it
has
come
up
a
couple
times
now:
the
developers
lawyers
we
have.
We
have
worked
directly
with
the
developer.
We
have
not
met
with
the
developer
lawyers
or
lawyers,
or
anything
like
that.
Just
for
clarification
on
all
this.
It
has
been
directly
with
the
challenges
that
the
developers
facing
and
ways
in
which
we
can
create
solutions
to
get
through
to
to
you
know
having
these
houses
developed.
So
again,
you
know
again,
I've
heard
a
couple
times
just
for
point
of
clarification.
E
C
C
But,
quite
frankly,
I
I
would
say
from
the
perspective
and
experience
of
being
on
the
affordable
housing
commission
developers
wanting
to
build.
C
Things
to
sell
in
the
125
to
225
price
range,
they're
they're,
definitely
not
knocking
our
door
down
at
all.
I
mean
the
city
and
the
university
have
been
looking
for
people
who
would
come,
invest
and
do
these
these
types
of
projects-
and
this
this
is
the
first,
the
first
one
that
that
we
have
going
and
so
that
this
this
isn't
like.
C
E
To
add
to
that
member
grace
is
that
the
the
owner
is
the
design
build.
You.
E
C
Thank
you.
Are
there
other
other
questions
on
this
before
we
turn
it
back
over
to
chairperson
fall,
okay,
we'll
we'll
work
on
the
the
energy
language
right,
planner,
paul
and,
and
and
we'll
we'll
come
back
with
something
on
that
before
this
is
introduced
great
okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
B
Next
on
our
agenda
is
the
athens
city
code,
one
of
the
things
that
city
council
when
they
and
the
mayor,
addressing
the
all
the
events
that
happened
this
summer
and
black
lives
matter,
protests
and
such
was
to
go
and
go
through
the
various
levels
of
code
that
we
have
and
language
to
see
whether
it's
up
to
date,
I
think,
would
be
the
the
most
logical
way
of
saying
it.
The
administration
has
been
doing
this,
and
this
is
one
of
the
first
things.
B
That's
been
com
that
will
come
through
mostly,
it
is
changes
in
wording
and
definition.
So
mayor,
do
you
want
to
like
address
this?
Thank
you
absolutely.
E
Thank
you,
member
paul.
I
had
been
going
through
city
code
and
just
putting
in
various
terms
or
words
to
look
to
see.
You
know
what
at
the
50
50
000
foot
level.
What
are
things
looking
like
with
throughout
city
code,
and
one
of
the
things
I
noticed
right
away
was
that
there
was
certainly
a
level
of
inconsistency
with
language
when
it
came
to
I'll.
Give
you
an
example
I'll
give
all
of
council
an
example
which
you
hopefully
will
have
in
front
of
you.
E
The
city
shall
not
discriminate
against
any
person
because
of
that
person's
and
the
former
language
was
race,
color,
religion,
sex,
age,
disability,
national
origin
or
ancestry.
Well,
there's
been
a
lot.
That's
changed
in
the
city.
Code
and
councils
were
well
aware
of
this
with
things
such
as
gender
orientation
or
identity,
marital
status
or
familia
marital
or
familial
status,
familial
status.
E
That
is
currently
the
most
extensive
or
most
comprehensive
of
non-discriminatory
groups
that
we
have
in
code
granted
council
that
could
change
next
week.
That
could
change
next
year.
It
can
change
in
10
years.
This
is
a
dynamic
document
that
you're
all
well
aware
of,
and
so
what
I've
put
before
all
of
you
on
council
is
consistency.
E
I've
identified
a
number
of
places
in
code
that
had
a
much
reduced,
discriminatory
language
and
I
have
enhanced
it
to
read,
which
is
the
most
recent
comprehensive
that
includes
again
things
like
gender
identity,
gender
identity
orientation
and
identity.
That
council
was
was
fantastic
in
getting
forward
when
it
came
to
protections
for
all
people
in
the
city
of
athens.
E
B
Thank
you,
I
think
that's
a
great
description.
Athens
has
been
a
real
leader
in
a
lot
of
these
issues.
You
know:
we've
we've
passed
a
lot
of
different
resolutions
and
code
that
helps
to
expand
that
the
definitions
and
we
live
up
to
our.
We
are
in
a
welcoming
city,
so
jeff
member.
G
Oh,
thank
you
mayor
is
your
plan
then,
to
take
that
description
that
you
just
just
gave
us
the
extended
version
and
then
go
through
all
the
different
parts
of
our
municipal
code
that
do
not
include
that
or
just
have
parts
of
it
and
then
replace
those
older
definitions.
With
this
new
definition.
E
G
G
B
E
Mayor,
I
I
don't
disagree
with
the
idea
and
concept
member
eisner,
but
we
you
know
under
the
civil
rights
act.
You
also
can't
have
discriminatory
language
in
in
someone's
land
deed
and
exactly
you
have
found
that
so
I
would
say
for
now
we
keep
it
in
every
section
of
code.
That
speaks
that
way.
It's
crystal
clear,
there's,
no
doubt
about
who
cannot
be
discriminated
against
if
you
just
are
thumbing
through
and
all
of
a
sudden
you
land
on
section,
3.06,
blah
blah
and
you're
going.
Oh
there,
it
is
right
there.
E
You
know
I
it's
a
I.
What
I
did
was
a
search,
replace
and
that's
what
council
will
have
before
them.
Okay,
I
don't
disagree
with
your
comment,
but
let's
make
sure
that,
from
a
challenge
standpoint
that
everywhere,
we
do
have
it
to
where
you
can't
discriminate
against
individuals
of
any
groups.
Anybody,
but
it's
there.
G
Well
to
your
point
about
the
land:
these
I
did.
Let
me
just
speak
one
more
time
and
I'll
I'll
shut
up.
I
promise
is
there
anything
that
the
city
can
do
when
a
deed
is
now
transferred,
sold,
cut
changed
in
some
way
to
a
new
owner
that
we
mandate,
that
any
section
of
that
deed
that
has
some
sort
of
discriminatory
language
must
be
eliminated,
no
ifs,
ands
or
buts
about
it.
You
can't
you
cannot
pass
on
that
deed
as
it's
written
you
have
to
change
it.
B
County
sort
of
issue,
because
deeds
are
established
by
county
yeah,
but.
G
Property
is
sold
in
the
city
of
athens
and
we
do
a
lot
of
regulation
about
property
within
the
city
of
athens.
I
don't
see
any
difference
here.
E
E
B
I'm
a
reader,
but
also,
I
would
hope
that
the
county
commissioner
and
other
county
offices
also
maybe
take
this
as
an
opportunity
to
go
through
some
of
their
because,
like
the
recorder
is
the
person
where
you
would
probably
change
wording
in
a
deed
sort
of
thing
and
that's
at
the
county
level,
and
maybe
we
can
just
kind
of
poke
them
to
do
that
sort
of
stuff.
E
Well,
the
number
falls
in
may
just
for
a
moment
is
that
I'm
working
with
oma
and
oml
this,
isn't
this
isn't
a
city,
athens
issue.
This
isn't
a
county
issue.
It's
not
it's
a
statewide!
It's
a
national
issue,
it's
a
global
issue!
So
I'm
trying
to
work
with
the
state
to
save
legislation,
moving
forward
to
change
the
language
and
the
speed
at
which
someone
can
expunge
discriminate
a
language
from
your
title,
from
your
deed,
from
your
land
plot
to
erase
or
at
least
begin
on,
the
healing
path
to
overcome
systemic
racism.
I
Thank
you.
Member
fall.
One
of
the
things
I
appreciate
the
most
about
the
city
of
athens
is
its
welcoming
and
discriminatory
sort
of
nature,
its
progressiveness,
and
it
hasn't
always
been
that
way.
I
feel
like
it.
It
has
a
you
know
a
deep
history,
but
I
know
that
the
you
know
gender
expression,
sexual
identity
was
vetoed
by
a
mayor
in
the
last
30
years
and
council
couldn't
override
that
veto.
I
So
I
really
appreciate
the
work
that
remember
falls
doing
the
city
administration
is
doing,
and
I
would
almost
say,
while
it
is
logistically
a
little
bit
more
difficult
to
you
know,
do
the
updates
that
member
eisner
was
talking
about.
I
would
like
this
language
repeated
over
and
over
and
over
and
over
again.
I
would
like
to
see
it
everywhere
and
I
I
think
that
making
it
easier
to
put
in
one
place
doesn't
as
to
the
mayor's
point,
somebody's
searching
and
I'd
like
to
see
it
in
as
many
places
as
possible.
H
Filter,
I
also
applaud,
remember,
fall
and
mayor
patterson
for
working
on
this.
I
think
it's
great,
I
think,
while
a
lot
of
people
would
go.
Oh
good!
That's
nice!
You
know
yay
we're
inclusive.
This
is
good
and
I
do
think
people
will
like
it.
This
could
mean
a
lot
to
some
of
the
people
in
those
categories.
It
could
be
really
important
to
some
of
them
and
maybe
especially
the
people
with
gender
identity.
H
You
know
because
that
usually
isn't
mentioned,
but
I'm
just
wondering,
as
we
are
somewhat
pushing
the
envelope
of
inclusivity
right
now,
things
in
the
nation
as
a
whole
and
and
to
an
extent
even
in
our
wonderful
town,
are
incredibly
polarized.
Polarized
sounds
like
a
kodak
name.
I'm
sorry.
H
We
have
a
great
deal
of
political
polarization
right
and
I
just
wonder
if,
while
we're
at
it
and
being
and
protecting
people
in
all
different
categories,
if
we
might
consider
putting
in
a
mention
that
you
can't
discriminate
based
on
someone's
political
beliefs
or
expression,
because
it
might
not
be
impossible
that
a
democrat
wouldn't
sell
to
a
conservative
republican
or
conservative
republican
wouldn't
rent
to
a
democrat
or
somebody
wouldn't
went
to
a
socialist
or
you
know,
and
I
I
don't
think
that
somebody's
political
identity
should
cost
that
person
a
house
or
or
whatever
is
else
is
being
considered
in.
H
B
E
I
I
was
just
going
to
say
I
I
don't
believe
political
affiliation
is
a
protected
class.
I
think
that
is
a
part
of
the
political
process,
so
I
I
don't
think
that
that
could
be
done
raises
an
interesting
question,
but
I
don't
see
quite
honestly,
the
need
for
a
protected
class
being
someone's
political
affiliation,
because
your
political
affiliation
can
change.
You
know
you
could
be
something
one
day
and
the
next
day
you
can
be
something
else.
The
next
day.
E
B
Is
that
your
question?
I
think
that's
a
good
point
now,
because
there
is
a
difference
between
a
protecting
us
at
the
national
level
at
the
federal
level
than
just
somebody
who
might
be.
You
know
they
don't
like
me.
Sort
of
thing
they
won't
run
to
me.
Familiar
familiar
protected
class
means
that
that
they,
unless
they're
especially
designated
that
you
just
because
you
have
a
kid,
doesn't
mean
that
somebody
can
say
no,
because
you
have
the
kid
and
you
can't
get
rid
of
them.
B
So
I
think
that's
what
the
mayor's
kind
of
pointing
to
so.
Okay,
any
other
questions
about
this.
So
I
think
this
is
a
really
good
discussion.
A
lot
of
this.
It's
amazing
how
antiquated
some
of
our
code
is
so
bit
by
bit,
we'll
be
like
making
it
updated.
So,
okay,
great,
thank
you.
The
next
is
the
more
code
changes
pretty
much.
This
is
the
three
boards
that.
B
The
mayor
appoints
people
to,
and
then
we
say,
yay
or
nay,
that's
the
shade
tree:
commission,
the
disabilities
commission
and
the
arts
parks
and
rec
commission
right
now,
most
of
the
that
it
what
the
mayor
would
like
to
expand
terms
to
three
years
and
tidying
up
some
language.
So
do
you
want
to
talk
to
that
mayor?
Certainly.
E
So
there
are
a
number
of
city
council
appointed
boards
and
commissions.
There
are
several
city
administration,
appointed
boards
and
commissions
and
in
close
reflection
on
those
or
examination
of
them.
E
One
of
the
things
that
was
identified
is
that
there
are
some
boards
and
commissions
that
have
two-year
terms
and
you
can
serve
three
years
and
then
you
have
to
take
a
year
off
or
whatever
it's
term
limited,
there's
a
couple
that
are
three-year
terms
and
have
no
term
limits
well,
one
that
has
no
term
limits
or
where
you
can
serve
forever
and
then
or
you
could
serve
two
three-year
terms.
City
councils.
E
All
of
yours
are
three-year
terms
and
if
I'm
not
mistaken
and
clerk
of
council
correct
me,
please,
if
I'm
incorrect
in
saying
this,
that
they
are
limited
to
two
terms.
E
E
Hopefully
that's
not
thoroughly
confusing
to
everyone,
but
it
certainly
for
the
position
of
the
mayor
when
I
have
to
go
and
look
for
people
to
serve.
It
makes
it
easier
to
where
I'm
not
having
to
sit
there
and
go.
Oh,
is
that
a
two-year
term
or
is
it
a
three-year
term?
Is
there
a
term
limits?
Is
there
no
term
limits
it's
again,
much
like
the
language
in
discriminatory
or
non-discrimination
language?
E
This
is
cleaning
up
things
in
code
to
where
there's
more
consistency
when
it
comes
to
our
boards
and
commissions,
which
I
think
is
a
direction
that
we
should
be
taking
to
where
we
have
more
consistency
and
understanding,
it's
easier
for
us
to
make
sure
the
public
understands
going
in,
because
I
hear
that
often
well,
how
long
is
the
turn,
because
there
is
multiple
lengths
of
term
great.
H
Clark
kelter,
this
sounds
really
reasonable.
To
me,
I
think,
having
consistency
among
the
different
commission
commissions
makes
a
lot
of
sense,
but
I'm
curious
what
would
happen
to
people
who've
already
been
serving
on
one
of
these
committees
for
longer
than
six
years.
H
E
Well,
there's
there's
a
couple
things
I
mean
we
as
we
roll
forward
with
this.
We've
got
it.
Hopefully,
council
will
approve
this
where
there's
a
change
in
the
length
of
term
and
the
number
of
terms,
but
anytime,
someone's
term
comes
up.
If
it's
a
mayor,
appointed
board
or
commission
and
council
approves,
I
still
have
the
ability
to
not
reappoint
somebody,
and
so
I'm
not
bound
to
the
shot
clock
starting
afresh
once
this
goes
through
council.
E
In
some
cases
it
might,
it
might
be
someone
who
has
already
served
two
years
of
a
two-year
term
and
I
could
roll
them
into
okay.
You've
got
now
three
year
term,
with
the
possibility
of
an
additional
three
year
term
and
then
you'll
roll
off,
but
that
doesn't
mean
that
for
current
appointees,
that
I
could,
if
there's
someone
else
who
wants
to
volunteer
to
serve-
and
someone
has
served
for
a
number
of
years-
that
I
could
you
know,
appoint
someone
else
in
that
expired
term.
B
Okay,
grace.
C
Thank
you.
I
just
I.
I
think
that
this
is
a
really
good
idea.
It's
easier
to
discuss
service
on
things
if
they're
consistent
across
the
board
as
far
as
length
of
term
and
number
of
terms-
and
I
I
think,
having
term
limits
is
a
good
idea
just
it.
It
will
encourage
new
voices
and
new
participation,
and
I
think
people
who
who
are
committed
to
serving
we.
C
C
But
I
think
the
one
thing
I
want
to
be
sort
of
mindful
of
as
as
we
make
changes,
is
that
that
the
terms
are
staggered
so
that
we
don't
suddenly.
Oh
everybody's,
been
on
this
commission
for
two
terms
and
we've
got
a
whole
new
commission
that
comes
in
and
it
feels
like
they.
They
have
no
background
or
are
starting
from
scratch.
So
just
making
sure-
and
I
I
trust
that
that
they
are,
but
we
we
definitely
want
to
keep
staggered
terms.
E
We
will
that's
a
great
point.
Remember
grace.
You
know
that
that's
the
last
thing
you
want
to
do
where
you
create
a
new
border
commission
and
everyone
gets
appointed
for
the
for
three
years
right
off
the
bat
you've
seen
it
in
code.
A
lot
of
code
at
the
onset
says
that
a
third
will
serve
one
year.
A
third
will
serve
two.
A
third
will
serve
three
and
then
they're.
Henceforth,
after
that
everyone
serves
a
three-year
term,
and
that's
that
that
I'm
not
going
to
fiddle
with
that
at
all.
That's
not
my
intent.
B
J
President
nicely
thank
you-
and
I
have
just
one
point
to
to
bring
up
this
evening,
and
this
is-
is
looking
to
amend
the
expenditure
ordinance
for
the
richland
avenue,
pedestrian
passageway,
and
so
a
conversation
was
brought
before
me
from
from
epw
director,
jessica
edine.
J
So,
basically-
and
it
was
all
due
to
the
the
thirteen
thousand
dollar
hand
railing-
that
came
forward
in
the
last
committee-
conversation
that
that
actually
also,
they
found
an
additional
issue
with
the
with
the
project,
one.
What
one
basic.
Basically,
the
pr
the
project
went
over,
the
it
exceeded
the
authorized
amount
by
sixty
thousand
dollars.
Now.
D
J
Have
to
remember
this
was
a
multi-year
project
that
was
over
three
million
dollars,
but
basically,
what
what
happened
was
the
one
of
the
contractors
ran
into
additional
additional
work
that
had
to
be
done
in
order
for
the
the
project
to
be
completed?
J
There
was
money
in
the
in
the
line
in
the
fun
line
and
that
money
was
was
paid
to
the
contractor
so
that
they
would
not
end
up
in
arbitration,
and
it
was
not
brought
before
council
in
in
a
timely
manner.
So
they,
the
the
conversation
at
this
point
is
epw
is,
is
very
much
aware
that
this
is
not
the
way
this
is
supposed
to
happen,
but
we
are
we're
asking
now,
after
the
fact
to
to
to
change
the
the
the
amount
by
sixty
thousand
dollars.
I
J
Addition
to
and
and
just
to
go
into
detail,
because
I
did
I
did
figure.
People
would
probably
want
to
know
what
what
the
additional
60
000
was
in
charge.
What
was
for
you
know,
and
so-
and
I
was
thinking
about
this
in
historical
because
I'm
a
history
major
this
is
the
way
I
always
go,
but
for
200
years
you
know
our
civilization
has
has
probably
impacted
this,
this
specific
piece
of
of
property.
J
You
know
going
back
to
having
a
bridge
there
that
connected
athens
with
mechanicsburg,
you
know
and
looking
at
we
had
a
railroad
very
close
by
no
more
than
10
or
15
yards.
You
had
anderson
laboratories
that
were
present
there
until
well.
J
I
want
to
say
the
mid-90s,
or
so
so
there
were
additional
utilities
that
were
found
underground
and
that
that
was
one
of
the
larger
costs
was
in
order
to
they
had
to
eliminate
those
in
order
to
to
get
the
footings
in
improperly,
and
then
there
were
some
smaller
things
like
they
had
to
add
additional
asphalt
to
to
smooth
the
transition
between
the
bridge
and
the
passageway
additional
drainage
to
make
sure
that
that
would
that
the
passageway
didn't
get
get
flooded
in
in
larger,
larger
storms.
J
So
it's
it's
all
kind
of
something
that
this
was
a
very
complex
project
that
happened
on
a
very
tight
space
that
had
been
impacted
for
many
many
years,
and
so
it's
it's
something
that
happens.
I
think
of
I
think
of
my
own
commercial
project
that
I
did
on
simpson
avenue,
which
was
only
five
hundred
thousand
dollars.
J
I
went
over
to
twenty
thousand
dollars
so
for
someone
to
take
a
project,
a
three
million
dollar
project
and
only
run
into
sixty
thousand
dollars
of
additional
charges.
I
think
that
they
did.
They
did
very
well
in
the
in
the
process.
Remember
crowley!
Yes,.
I
Thanks
again,
member
consists:
can
you
do
you
understand
exactly
why
we're
just
hearing
about
this?
Now
I
mean
I
mean
this
work
is
done
right
this
this
has
been
paid
and
now
we're
being
asked
to
to
sign
the
check.
Basically,
do
you
understand
exactly
how
we
can
help
this
from
happening
in
the
future.
J
I
you
know
jessica,
director
edine
basically
said
that
this
is
not
the
way
that
this
is
supposed
to
be
done.
This
error
was
just
discovered
now
and
that's
why
they're
they're
coming
forward
with
this
with
this
issue
now
they
would
have
come
sooner
if
they
would
have
known,
but
just
as
they
were
going
through
the
through
the
process
of
closing
out
the
books.
That's
when
this
this
this
process
came
up,
that
they
understood
that
they
did
not
approach
council
for
that
additional
expenditure.
J
And
and
and
remember
karl
I
did
I
did
ask
about
you
know
I
mean
we
we've,
you
know,
we've
went
through
a
a
director
eddie
at
epw
during
this
time.
J
A
director
of
dyne
did
not
believe
that
this
was
a
fault
or
an
issue
of
that,
but
I
will
say
that
we
don't
necessarily
have
the
staffing
levels
that
that
we
we
need,
and
that's
you
know
once
again.
I
don't
want
to
bring
up
the
pandemic,
but
you
know
there.
This
is
kind
of
that
ripple
effect
that
you
can
find
as
we're
as
we're
moving
through
this
process.
G
Reisner
and
just
to
clear
up
in
my
mind,
did
this
a
change
order
and
then
billing
occur
under
the
former
director
or
what
that
happened
during
the
transition
or
when,
when
did
it
happen?.
J
I
don't,
I
don't
know
the
answer
to
that
question
and
you
know,
and
additionally
we
did.
We
did
pay
for
a
project
specialist
to
be
overseeing
this.
This
whole
process
and-
and
I
did
not-
I
did
not
quiz
director
adain
about
that.
So
no,
I
don't
have
an
answer
to
that
question,
but
I
can
find
out.
A
I
Thank
you,
president
eisley.
We
really
only
have
one
item
on
our
agenda
tonight
some
vacancies,
but
there
are
two
vacancies
that
the
committee
and
the
city
administration
would
like
to
bring
to
city
council.
As
you
know,
this
administration
is
committed
to
transparency
in
discussing
filling
vacancies
during
the
pandemic,
and
we
have
two
here
and
one.
I
I
will
segue
right
into
from
member
kotzis's
transportation
committee
report
that
the
the
city
administration
would
like
to
hire
an
assistant
director
of
epw,
it's
safe,
to
say
right
now
that
director
edine
is
doing
about
four
jobs.
She
is
the
interim
director
of
epw.
She
is
the
imper
interim
engineer
of
the
city.
She
still
is
the
assistant
city
engineer
and
then
there's
also
the
assistant
director
position,
which
is
vacant,
so
the
city
has
of
a
candidate
that
they
think
would
be
excellent
for
an
assistant
director
position.
I
Director
interim
director
edine
is
supports
the
the
city,
the
the
city's
moving
in
this
direction.
It
is
a
candidate
with
institutional
knowledge.
Worked
for
the
city
for
many
years
is
interested
in
returning
to
work
for
the
city
was
previously
a
street
supervisor.
I
This
is
a
very
well
respected
individual
and
while
there
would
be
some
adjustments
to
the
job
description
necessary,
this
is,
I
think,
the
epw
ender
and
interim
director
of
dying
could
really
use
this
support
and-
and
I
am
recommending
that
this
position
be
filled.
Are
there
any
questions
regarding
the
assistant
director
of
epw,
moving
forward
to
hire
an
internal
candidate?
I
Well
yeah,
former
former
internal
candidate,
and
I
don't
know
ssd
pile
if
I
didn't
obviously
name
names,
I
don't
know
if
we
want
to
talk
about
who
this
individual
is
or
just
bring
it
up
like
this,
and
if
there
are
no
questions
for
me
or
ssd
pyle
or
the
mayor
on
this,
then
we'll
move
on
to
the
other
vacancy
and
the
other
vacancy
is
a
firefighter
chief.
Reimer
is
requesting
to
to
fill
one
of
the
vacant
positions
they
are
currently
down.
Two
firefighters
chief
reimer
is
looking
at
the
next
couple
of
years.
I
He
he
knows
that
he
has
a
half
a
dozen
or
more
firefighters
who
will
be
retirement
eligible
coming
soon.
Now
he
doesn't
expect
any
retirements
until
at
least
2022,
but
he
does
want
to
be.
You
know
prepared
for
that
eventuality.
I
He
would
like
to
fill
this
position
for
july.
1
start
date.
This
means
that
it
will
have
been
a
year
and
a
half
where
two
positions
have
been
funded
yet
vacant.
So
there
are
there's
a
year
and
a
half
of
empty
position
savings.
I
If
they
are
able
to
hire
the
individual
in
july,
they
will
do
training
in
august
for
the
firefighter
2
licensure,
and
he
really
chief
reimer,
is
just
again
through
the
city
administration,
bringing
this
up
with
council
for
feedback,
so
finance
and
personnel
committee
any
questions
or
thoughts.
Yes,
memberize
katsus.
J
Thank
you,
member
crowl.
I
just
just
wanted
to
to
make
a
comment
that
I
think
that
these
are
both
two
very
important.
G
Positions:
eisner
yeah,
you
got
yeah.
That's
me.
I
agree
with
the
member
costas.
I
I
I
think
we've
really
strung
ourselves
out
about.
As
far
as
we
can
go
and
not
filling
positions,
you
know
we're
getting
to
a
point
where
sort
of
the
law
of
diminishing
returns,
yeah
we're
saving
money
on
the
short
end,
but
in
the
long
run
we're
we're
burning
ourselves.
So
I
agree:
we
need
to
fill
these
positions
quick
as
soon
as
possible.
I
Okay,
thank
you,
president
eisley
that
ends
finance
and
personnel.
A
All
right
and
after
much
discussion
and
good
discussion
tonight,
I
think
on
a
lot
of
different
topics.
Thank
you
all
for
being
here,
we'll
consider
ourselves
adjourned
at
8,
24
pm
and
we'll
see
you.