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Athens City Council - May 23, 2022
A
Good
evening
and
welcome
to
athens
city
council,
it's
monday
may
23
2022
at
7
p.m.
With
all
members
of
council
present,
we
are
in
committee
meetings
tonight
we
have
five
different
committee
meetings
with
a
number
of
presentations
by
folks.
What
you'll
notice
is
council
members
getting
up
and
down
from
the
deus
as
different
committees
are
announced.
That's
because
the
particular
committee
who's
having
the
discussion,
like
our
transportation
committee,
will
be
first.
A
Members
of
the
audience
are
welcome
to
make
comments
when
they're
called
upon
they
give
their
name
and
address
and
whether
or
not
they
represent
a
group,
and
you
have
three
minutes
and
we
will
set
the
timer
for
everyone
tonight.
It's
a
little
green,
yellow
and
red
indicator
up
on
the
behind
the
lectern
for
you.
So
welcome
we're
glad
to
see
you
here.
It's
always
nice
to
to
have
people
in
the
audience,
making
comments
and
lending
to
the
discussion,
and
we
look
forward
to
that
tonight.
A
B
Thank
you.
Madam
president,
the
transportation
committee
has
four
topics
tonight:
parking
towing
regulations,
municipal
bridge
projects,
ohio
public
works,
commission
issue
of
one
funding,
application
and
west
washington
sidewalk
and
safety
improvements,
project
number
335.,
so
the
first
topic
is
parking
and
towing
regulations.
This
is
an
issue
that
has
come
up
before
council
several
times
over
the
past.
B
I
don't
know
since
I've
been
on
council
and
that's
been
over
10
years
and
for
whatever
reasons,
never
seems
to
get
anywhere.
Hopefully
we
can
get
the
matter
through
this
time.
B
I
have
before
me
the
proposed
ordinance
and
an
opinion
about
the
the
laws
that
govern
towing
in
the
city
and
in
the
state.
Those
are
on
the
google
drive
for
anyone
who
wants
to
look
at
them.
I
don't
want
to
have
to
read
through
all
this,
but
I
will
turn
to
our
law
director
and
allow
her
to
give
us
a
summary
of
what
her
opinion
is.
C
C
The
second
kind
of
tow
is
4513
601
and
that's
from
a
private
tow
away
zone,
and
those
are
like
parking
lots
that
a
property
owner
establishes
a
private
tow
away
zone.
We
see
those
all
over
town
and
those
are
specifically
regulated
by
45
13
601.
C
C
So
those
were
the
two
kinds
of
toes
that
I
looked
at
and
I
had
to
look
at
a
lot
of
different
sections
of
the
revised
code
and
specifically,
I
looked
at
revised
code
49
2125
and
I
wrote
an
opinion.
It's
my
opinion.
I
know
that
there
are
differing
views
and
I
remember
council,
member
mcgee
had
a
different
interpretation.
C
My
bottom
line
with
all
this
was
that
the
tow
companies
are
regulated
by
the
public
public
utilities
commission
of
ohio
and
that
they
would
set
the
fee
for
a
tow
from
a
private
tow
away
zone.
However,
if
it
was
a
tow
ordered
by
the
police
chief
from
private
property
or
from
agricultural
property
that
the
city
could
set
that
fee,
that
was
my
opinion.
At
that
time,
it
was
before
council
and
council
did
not
act
on
amending
the
code
and
the
code
states
that
it's
for
a
tow.
C
It's
towing
and
private
toway
zones,
fifty
dollars
for
a
tow
and
the
revised
code
and
the
administrative
code
says
it's
not
to
exceed
129.
C
So
this
has
been
the
same
since
2019
and
we
don't
regulate
towing
right
now
in
the
city
of
athens.
That's
not
my
decision,
it's
been
that
way
for
about
25
years
and
we
have
no
provision
in
the
code
that
would
state
what
would
happen
if
a
tow
company
charged
more
than
what
we
say
here
of
the
fifty
dollars.
C
So
we
have
no
way
as
a
city
of
enforcing
anything
as
far
as
what
a
tow
truck
company
charges-
and
this
is
what
I've
said
for
the
past
several
years-
that
it's
a
civil
matter
between
the
person
towed
and
the
tow
truck
company.
So
if
a
person
who's
toad
feels
that
they've
been
charged
too
much,
then
they
can
file
a
small
claims
action
and
it
was
my
understanding
that
the
center
for
student
legal
services,
who
represents
college
students,
did
file
a
couple
cases
in
municipal
court,
but
those
were
never
decided
on
that
specific
issue.
C
D
Be
here
sure,
so
I
might
be
able
to
catch
cancel
up
on
on
how
we
arrived
today.
D
The
peace
ohio
legislature
passed
the
law
of
putting
towing
regulation
or
towing
fees
and
whatnot
under
public
utilities,
commission
in
the
mid
2000s,
I
don't
know
the
year.
Maybe
the
law
director
does,
but
it
was
common
understanding
that
that
law,
essentially
stripped
municipalities
of
regulations
and
setting
fees,
and
so
the
city
of
athens,
acting
on
that
information
really
did
nothing
to
repeal
our
regulations
on
the
books,
because
they
were
essentially
nullified
by
under
our
understanding
by
the
the
law
that
placed
towing
under
puco
regulations.
D
And
then
I
think
there
was
again.
I
don't
know
the
year,
but
I
want
to
say
it
was
around
2015.
There
was
a
court
case,
decided
that
set
case
law,
basically
saying
that
no
municipalities
could
regulate
towing
if
they
chose
to
do
so.
D
But
by
that
time
we
had
about
eight
or
or
ten
years
of
of
allowing
tow
truck
operators,
both
in
private,
toes
and
public,
toes
ordered
by
law
enforcement
to
follow
the
puco
guidelines
as
far
as
fees
and
so
and
and
in
actuality
that
that
that
case
law
was
decided.
D
Everything
else
is
in
fact
governed
by
puco
regulation,
and
so
I
think
we
had
several
back
and
forth
with
council
between
2017
to
2019
and
then
in
19
right
before
the
pandemic.
We
sat
down
and
crafted
some
law
put
it
before
council
and
it
just
didn't
get
acted
on.
I
think,
because
the
pandemic
struck
in
early
spring
of
2020,
and
so
we
really
hadn't
dropped
that
we're
just
waiting
for
an
opportune
time
to
to
bring
it
before
council
again
to
act.
D
The
fees
are
simply
referred
to
in
our
code
as
what
is
established
for
private
toes
by
puco
regulation
anytime,
the
state
changes
those
regulations,
our
regulations
would
automatically
change
as
well,
and
so
that
seems
to
be
the
most
efficient
way
to
handle
the
regulator,
the
the
fees,
towing
fees
and,
in
fact,
if
we,
if
we
chose
to
just
to
utilize
a
tow
fee
that
is
in
some
way
less
than
what's
established
by
pco
for
private
tows.
D
My
fear
is,
is
that
we
wouldn't
get
a
wrecker
anywhere
in
the
region
that
would
tow
for
us,
and
so
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
tow
vehicles
that
are
in
violation
of
parking
ordinances
and
what
not.
So
we
at
least
have
to
fix
those
fees
to
either
match
puco
or
just
as
the
ordinance
in
front
of
you
states.
Just
simply
refers
to
the
paco
regulations
and
whatever
fees
are
found
in
those.
As
far
as
the
time
regulations
we
decided
this
was
a
more
recent
decision,
as
we
were
reviewing
that
section.
D
We
talked
to
the
service
agent
director,
the
mayor,
the
law
director,
the
auditor
co-director
and
myself,
and
none
of
us
have
a
valid
reason
to
continue
to
regulate
tow
trucks
when
puco,
in
fact
has
all
of
those
those
things
in
place
for
regulations,
and
it
is
a
business
that
can
be
as
the
law
director
referred
to.
D
Can
disputes
can
be
handled
in
civil
court
and
things
like
that,
and
so
so
it
is
again
our
recommendation
that
we
remove
the
regulations
in
their
entirety
and
just
simply
refer
the
towing
fees
to
the
pco
regulations
that
the
state
sets.
So
that's
pretty
much
where
we
are
in
a
nutshell,.
B
Okay,
so
that
I'm
looking
over
the
the
draft
of
the
proposed
ordinance-
and
I
see
it's
basically-
we
strike
out
everything-
that's
in
chapter
7.05
and
insert
a
few
lines
referring
to
the
ohio,
revised
code
for
the
puco
fees
and
regulations.
B
So
if
this
ordinance
goes
through
and
we're
mostly
referring
here
to
the
private
tows,
what
about
when
the
police
have
to
call
out
a
tow
truck
to
you
know,
remove
the
vehicle.
D
So
yeah
so
that
shouldn't
change
and
the
the
record
operators
as
they
do
currently
they
charge
the
puco
fees.
They
do
not
charge
the
antiquated
and
not
updated
city
of
athens
fees,
they
charge
the
po
co
fees
and
so
technically,
as
far
as
the
fees
concerned,
nothing
increases
nothing
changes.
Those
those
records
are
already
charging
those
fees.
B
Okay,
questions
from
our
committee
here.
E
I
think
24
000
citizens
of
athens
would
certainly
want
us
to
take
due
to
time
on
this.
I
live
over
on
townsend
and
let's
say
that
I
get
up
one
morning
and
I
can't
start
my
car
and
I
call
a
tow
tuck
operator
to
take
me
to
my
preferred
mechanic,
alvis
out
on
columbus
road.
D
E
E
E
D
E
E
E
F
Thank
you,
verizon
yeah,
I
I
personally
I
I
don't
really
like
using
the
idea
that,
because
we
haven't
done
this
in
a
long
time,
we
don't
need
to
that
doesn't
feel
like
a
real
justification
to
me.
That
feels
not
that
I'm
calling
anybody
this
here.
I
know
everybody's
very
hard
working,
but
it
feels
lazy
to
me.
It
feels
like
lazy
legislation
and
I
I
I
agree
with
member
swank.
F
F
B
Memorizing
other
members
of
city
council
remember
spielness,.
I
I
think
this
is
more
than
just
about
fees.
It's
about
making
sure
that
we're
careful
about
not
taking
advantage
of
folks
who
maybe
had
a
problem.
The
car
got
stuck.
I
Nobody
wants
to
have
their
card
towed
and,
of
course,
there's
legitimate
reasons
for
having
your
card
towed,
but
I
think
that
reading
through
the
regulations
that
apparently
haven't
been
followed,
I
think
there's
some
there
that
are
very
important,
irrespective
of
the
fee.
So
I
think
again,
this
is
much
more
than
just
the
fee,
it's
how
it's
handled
and
processed
and
that
we
have
a
system.
That's
this
fair
and
makes
some
sense
so.
D
In
response
to
your
comment
about
pco
and
their
constant
complaints,
my
department's,
not
aware
of
that-
and
I'm
not
saying
it's
not
true-
I'm
saying
I'd
like
to
know
what
puco
does
with
those
complaints,
because
it's
been
our
impression,
the
entire
time
that
they
were
regulating
towing,
which
is
the
entire
purpose
of
our
recommending
this.
This
repeal
this
was
akin
to
lyft
and
uber,
and
the
state
law
that
was
passed,
saying
that
municipalities
cannot
regulate
them.
D
And
so,
when
we
looked
at
this,
the
first
thing
I
referenced
was
the
state
passed
a
law
saying
we
can't
touch
regulations
for
uber
and
lyft.
How
is
this
any
different?
So
I'm
very
curious
to
know
what
puco
does
with
those
complaints.
Apparently
they
just
ignore
them.
Is
that
what
is
that?
What
they're
saying
I
I
could
follow
up?
I.
E
D
Strikes
me
as
odd
that
they
have
this
laundry
list
of
complaints
and
the
city
of
athens
hasn't
heard
a
single
word
from
them
about
it.
You
know
and
had
we
I
that
we
would
have
been
hesitant
to
make
a
recommendation
like
this.
So
no,
this
is
new
information
to
me.
I'll
get.
E
C
E
What
he
referred
me
to
and
again
we're
talking
about
two
different
sure,
well
0.60
and
601
601.,
and
what
he
referred
me
to
in
0.60
is
b.
E
However,
if
the
vehicle
was
within
a
municipal
corporation
and
the
municipal
corporation
has
established
a
removal
fee,
you
have
that
right
to
do
what
the
traffic
will
bear
and
take
a
little
step
further.
He
said
if
the
vehicle
was
towed
with
a
municipal
corporation
that
has
established
fees
for
vehicle
removal
and
storage.
Again,
he
pointed
me
to
both
of
those,
but
he
also
made
it
very
clear
that
only
pertains
to
vehicles
left
on
private,
residential
or
private
agricultural
property,
not
the
private
tow
zones
and.
C
E
D
It's
important
to
clarify
that
we're
not
just
talking
about
private
toes
where
you
know
a
lot
of
the
lots
that
are
signed
and
posted
those
lot
owners
contract
with
private
towing
companies,
and
those
are
the
fees
that
are
established
specifically
by
puco,
it's
very
rare
for
a
agriculture
or
private
landowner
to
have
a
vehicle
towed
because
of
you
know
some.
Nobody
really
just
drives
up
to
somebody's
driveway
and
parks
at
it
and
walks
away
from
their
car.
It
does
happen.
D
Don't
get
me
wrong,
we
do
get
complaints,
but
typically
they
return
to
the
car
and
drive
away
before
the
four-hour
mark
and
tow
takes
place,
and
so
it's
very
rare
that
we
have
those
kinds
of
toes
from
private
agricultural
and
and
residential
and
so
pco
is
saying.
Yes,
we
can
establish
a
fee
for
that.
Our
point
would
be.
Why
would
we
it's
the
same
fee?
It's
really
no
different
toward
office
of
a
signed,
contracted
lot
or
towed
out
of
somebody's
yard.
D
You
know
the
poco
can
set
those
fees,
the
other
toe
we're
talking
about,
specifically
the
the
ordinance.
That's
in
front
of
you
deals
with
specifically
police
order.
Toes
off
of
public
property,
if
I
order
a
car
towed
as
a
police
officer
off
of
a
yellow,
curb
or
parked
in
front
of
a
fire
hydrant,
those
are
the
fees
that
we
are
referring
to.
Puco
the
following:
the
toffee
that
you've
referenced
in
you
know.
D
Towing
your
car
because
broke
down
to
the
repair
shop
is
not
referenced
in
any
of
these
regulations,
and
those
fees
are
not
set.
That's
just
a
business
decision
that
you
would
enter
into
with
a
wrecker
and
you're.
You
know
a
a
person
would
be
free
to
call
as
many
records
as
they
chose
until
they
found
a
few
that
they
they
liked.
D
J
I
was
not
going
to
ask
this
of
the
chief
or
safety
services
director,
but
what
would
have
to
change
in
order
for
us
to
have
the
capacity
to
regulate
this
locally.
D
Well,
the
current
laws
that
regulate
towing
really
has
to
do
with
licensure
and
insurance.
If
I
recall
correctly-
and
so
I
don't
know
who
currently,
it
falls
under
the
purview,
the
service
safety
director,
a
service
safety
director
at
some
point-
and
I
I'm
guessing
this-
would
be
back
in
the
ron.
Chapman
wayne
key
days
made
a
decision
to
either
farm
that
work
out
to
another
department
in
the
city
or
just
not
do
the
licensure.
D
Like
I
said
I
I
took
over
as
the
kaplan
and
the
police
department
in
2004
and
we
were
not
doing
anything
with
licensure
and
and
and
towing
regulations.
So
it
predates
everyone
in
the
administration
and
I'm
not
certain,
except
that
the
service
aid
director's
office
would
have
to
review
it
and
probably
assign
it.
I
don't
know
if
they'd
assign
it
to
code
or
but
we'd
have
to
establish
new
provisions.
K
Thank
you,
man
risen.
This
is
a
question
for
the
chief
or
the
law,
director
and
justice,
for
clarification
for
for
myself
and
for
the
public
we've
had
people
come
before
this
body
and
and
and
say
that
they
had
they
are.
They
met
the
tow
truck
driver
at
the
location
where
their
car
was
being
towed
and
the
tow
truck
driver
towed
them
anyway.
K
D
Correct
that
that
is
correct,
but
you
also
have
to
pay
it
yes
and
and
a
lot
of
times
that
people
refuse
to
pay
and,
and
so
the
record
does
take
off
the
vehicle
and
a
lot
of
times.
They
call
us
to
to
come
and
try
to
mediate.
The
dispute
and
our
response
is,
you
have
to
pay
the
person?
Yes,
this
fee
or
they're
allowed
to
take
your
car,
which
is
more
money
and
then
there's
a
storage
fee
and
then
a
show
up
fee
or
a
late
pickup
fee.
K
D
G
B
L
Damon
crane
hudson
avenue,
not
representing
any
group
for
the
past.
Several
years,
apd
and
city
administrators
have
been
pushing
council
to
repeal
the
towing
regulations
currently
contained
in
city
code.
Council
hasn't
repealed
the
regulations,
so
the
administration
has
just
refused
to
follow
them,
thereby
recklessly
refusing
to
carry
out
duties
expressly
imposed
on
it
by
law.
Something
ohio,
revised
code,
2921.44
defines
as
the
criminal
offense
dereliction
of
duty.
The
administration's
justification
which
director
stone
emailed
me
last
fall
and
various
officials
stated
at
a
2019
council
meeting.
L
L
As
caleb
brown
reported
in
his
2016
athens
news
columnist,
former
odu
student
senate
member,
adam
bosunder
reported
the
council
in
2019
and,
as
I
reported
in
my
2021
athens
news
column,
the
ohio
supreme
court
made
clear
in
2014
and
the
general
assembly
followed
suit
in
2015
that
municipalities
have
the
legal
authority
to
regulate
towing,
including
the
right
to
license
operators
and
set
fee
caps
different
than
those
set
by
the
public
utilities.
L
In
fact,
after
the
athens
news
published
my
column
last
november,
former
reporter
cole
behrens
who's
now
with
the
columbus
dispatch,
decided
to
call
up
cuco
and
see
what
they
had
to
say.
Hugo
spokesperson,
matt
schilling
confirmed
what
caleb
adam
and
I
had
reported
and
refuted
stones
and
license
claims
before
cole
could
publish
his
interview.
The
athens
news
lost
its
entire
news
staff,
but
cold
forwarded
me
as
notes
and
gave
him
permission
to
cite
them
here
tonight.
Cole's
interview
probably
took
five
minutes.
My
column
took
a
few
days
of
research.
That's
it
yet.
L
L
That
means
all
towing
that's
occurred
from
private
property
in
athens,
since
2015
also
has
been
illegal,
and
the
administration's
their
election
of
duty
has
legally
transferred
even
more
millions
of
dollars.
Please
don't
come
become
complicit
in
the
administration's
wrongdoing
by
repealing
these
regulations.
B
The
applicant
application
is
submitted
to
odot.
The
municipal
bridge
program,
provides
federal
funds
for
bridge
replacement
or
bridge
rehabilitation
projects
open
to
vehicular
traffic.
The
funding
limit
is
up
to
2
million
per
project.
If
awarded
odot
contributions
would
be
95.
Construction
costs
for
a
project
considered
during
state
fiscal
year,
2024
2025
application
period
opens
july.
1
is
due
august
15.,
the
annual
bridge
evaluations
are
being
completed
and
two
bridges
are
expected
to
be
eligible
for
funding
and,
as
noted
here,
stimson
and
derry
lanebridge,
the
service
safety
director
care
to
comment
on.
I
can.
M
Speak
a
bit
further
on
this.
The
bridge
program
is
a
program
that
we've
used
several
times
in
the
past,
both
of
the
large
bridges
on
ridgeland
avenue,
the
bridge
on
carry
chill
drive
and
then
also
the
bridge
across
the
hocking
at
union
street
are
all
programs
that
were
funded
through
this
particular
program
right
now,
it's
95
5.
M
So
that's
a
pretty
good
deal
that
has
to
do
with
toll
credits
that
are
still
available
when
I
say
toll
credits,
it's
it's
state
money
available
from
bonds
issued
against
the
turnpike
that
they're
using
for
for
bridge
improvements
across
the
state
and
so
that
an
extra
15
of
the
of
the
match,
the
two
bridges
that
are
eligible
have
to
do
or
what
we
believe
will
be
eligible
have
to
do
with
their
general
appraisal
and
that's
a
zero
to
nine
scale,
and
when
bridges
are
four
or
less
on
that
zero
to
nine
scale.
M
That
means
they're
eligible
against
the
municipal
bridge
fund.
We
anticipate
simpson
avenue
is
probably
the
project
that
we're
going
to
go
after,
because
you
know
that
would
be
a
large-scale
project
that
we
would
need
these
federal
funds
to
do
and
assuming
it
comes
up
as
a
four
on
that
general
appraisal.
M
That
would
be
the
project
that
we
would
apply
for
the
ordinance
that
we
would
ask
you
to
pass
allows
us
to
apply
in
the
past.
It
hadn't
required
legislation,
but
it
has
changed
that
in
recent
years
and
now
to
apply
you
have
to.
You
have
to
have
an
ordinance.
E
M
Yeah,
this
won't
be
until
fiscal
24,
25
time
for
state
fiscal,
24,
25
time
frame
so.
M
This
is
a
city
responsibility,
bridge,
there's
a
series
of
bridges
in
the
city
that
are
odot
responsibility
and
I
can
kind
of
go
through
and
mark
them
for
you
most
of
those
fall
on
the
us,
33
and
50
system,
and
then
the
interchanges
supporting
that
system.
However,
there
are
several
bridges
on
city
streets
that
are
purely
city
responsibilities
and,
and
some
of
the
ones
I
mentioned
earlier
on.
G
N
Please
speaking,
yeah
rob
delac
live
on
morris
avenue
here
in
the
city
representing
myself,
just
curious.
If
this
kind
of
project
is.
N
Is
a
rehabilitation
project,
justice
or
resurface,
or
something
like
that
or
fix
the
beams,
maybe
or
if
it's
a
rebuild
kind
of
project?
What
do
you
anticipate.
M
What
I
anticipate
on
this
I
mean,
if
I
could
address
it
directly.
What
I
had
to
spend
on
this
project
is:
it's
a
probably
a
redecking,
some
improvements
to
the
abutments
and
the
back
walls.
The
abutments,
I
think
the
bearings
on
the
eastern
side
need
to
reset
and
a
couple
of
them
need
replaced.
I
believe
the
beams
themselves
don't
get
enough
shape,
although
they'll
probably
be
painting
associated
with
that,
but
my
gut
feel
is
it's.
M
I
mean
that
would
be
that
would
be
a
cool
project
like
this
granted
there's
nowhere
necessarily
for
pedestrians
to
go
at
the
moment
when
they're
walking
that
direction,
but
that's
no
reason
not
to
do
it
because
there's
a
lot
of
them
that
go
that
way.
Well,
I
recognize
that
that
there
are.
There
is
a
location,
there's
not
a
city
located,
but
but
we
anticipate
in
future
years.
As
you
know,
the
city
grows,
there
could
be
legitimate
locations
for
pedestrians
to
travel
to
you
on.
M
And
we
would
absolutely
decide
accordingly
all
right.
Thank.
B
M
Every
year
we
apply
for
issue,
one
funding
through
the
ohio
plugs
works.
Commission,
our
region
with
the
council
of
governments
at
buckeye
hills
basically
sets
the
criteria
based
upon
the
executive
committee's
point
valuation
system,
and
then
we've
been
successful
in
in
past
years.
Getting
funds
through
this.
I
think
the
most
recent
one
was
the
simpson
project
project
number
315
had
400
000
of
both
grant
and
then
another
400
000
in
loan
against
that
project.
M
This
almost
surely
has
to
be
a
transportation
project,
even
though
you
are
able
to
apply
for
utilities
projects
as
well
from
ohio,
polk
works.
Commission.
The
structure
is
such
that
they
really
aren't
competitive
when
it
comes
to
points,
and
so
we
don't
have
to
specify
what
project
we're
going
to
apply
for,
but
the
application
is
due
31
august
and
since
council
will
be
on
recess
in
july.
This
will
allow
us
to
submit
an
application,
we'll
go
ahead
and
get
reading
started.
Now,
that's
what
we're
asking.
B
And
I
have
a
an
email
here
says:
the
project
includes
spot
sidewalk,
repairs
on
west
washington
street
between
shaffer
and
lancaster
street.
The
project
also
includes
vegetation
management
to
remove
vegetation
impeding
the
sidewalk
and
visibility
of
street
lights.
Lighting
improvements
are
also
being
reviewed.
M
Way
to
comment
yeah
that
pretty
much
sums
it
up.
You
know
it's
an
area
that
is
dark,
not
because
there's
a
lack
of
light,
but
because
there's
a
tremendous
amount
of
vegetation
that
is
growing
over
the
street.
Additionally,
some
of
the
sidewalks
are
in
pretty
bad
shape.
This
really
focus
is
going
to
be
on
the
north
side.
M
There
are
a
couple
instances
where
we've
got
some
slips
on
private
property.
That
is
impinging
the
sidewalk,
so
we're
going
to
work
through
how
we're
going
to
have
to
manage
you
know,
repairs
in
that
particular
location,
but
by
and
large
this
should
make
a
pretty
significant
improvement
of
note.
The
appropriation
authorization
already
is
in
place,
but
this
allows
for
us
to
advertise,
accept
bids
and
enter
into
contracts.
M
These
are
spot
repairs,
so
you
know
this
is
not.
You
know
whole
you
know
ripping
out
and
replacing.
I
would
say
if
I
had
to
if
I
had
to
estimate
about
1500
feet
but
spot
repairs
in
that
in
that
three
or
four
block
section.
M
I
would
now
the
the
you
know:
the
roadway
itself
is
steeper
than
a
five
percent
grade
in
some
places
in.
M
Area
so,
but
insofar
as
making
it
better
than
it
currently
is
particularly
on
cross
slope
and
some
of
the
really
bad
sections.
I
think
it
will
be
much
better.
B
A
A
As
people
get
seated
in
their
various
spots
for
this
first
item,
we
are
considering
a
special
use
city
right-of-way
permit.
This
concerns
two
ordinances
that
were
approved
by
city
council
in
april
36,
22,
37,
22,
and
then
last
week
we
did
receive
a
request:
a
formal
request
from
the
myers
family
to
reconsider
the
approval
of
3622,
so
council
member
grace.
H
Thank
you,
president
nicely
and
yes
as
as
president
eisley
stated,
this
is
on
the
agenda
this
evening,
at
the
request
of
the
residents
living
on
may,
asking
that
we
can
reconsider
the
granting
of
one
of
those
two
special
use.
City
right-of-way
permits,
and
our
normal
flow
here
in
council
is
for
members
of
the
committee
to
discuss
than
other
members
of
council
in
the
administration
and
and
then
ask
for
input
from
members
of
the
audience.
H
But
in
this
case,
because
this
was
this
has
already
been
discussed
and
voted
on
in
council
and
is
is
brought
back
at
the
request
of
the
community.
I
I
believe
it's
appropriate
to
start
with
hearing
from
members
of
the
audience
who
are
here
to
speak
on
this
topic,
and
so
I'm
going
to
open
the
floor
up
to
that.
But
keeping
in
mind
that
president
eisley
will
be
utilizing
her
her
time
clock.
O
Organization
south
may
avenue
if
it
is
appropriate,
I
wasn't
sure,
but
we
put
together
some
informational
packets
for
every
council
member.
So
if
I
would
be
allowed
I'd
be
happy
to
pass
that
out.
I
also
submitted
them
to
miss
walker
prior
to
five
but
very
closely
prior
to
five
today.
Is
that
something
I'm
allowed
to
do?
Yeah?
That's
fine!
Yes,
that's
fine!
Would
you
like
me
to
speak
while
I'm
doing
that.
O
We
are
here
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
simultaneous
granting
of
two
ordinances,
36,
22
and
37-22
that
were
granted
through.
You
don't
need
to
break
this.
Yes,.
O
Sorry
so,
for
the
past
few
weeks,
we've
been
trying
to
get
some
clarification
on
what
these
two
simultaneous
permits
really
mean
for
for
us
and
just
for
a
little
background.
There's
a
lot
of
information
in
there
I'm
just
going
to
summarize,
along
with
my
husband,
we
met
with
code
director
david
riggs
in
december
of
21,
after
learning
of
the
montl
llc's
plan,
to
use
our
dead-end
alleyway
behind
our
house
as
an
access
to
create
parking
for
a
new
rental
property
behind
our
home.
O
At
the
meeting
were
against
the
use
of
the
alleyway
in
this
way,
we
in
addition
had
two
other
neighbors
that
signed
a
petition
that
are
here
today
who
were
not
able
to
be
at
that
meeting
but
said
we
are
opposed
to
the
use
of
this
alleyway.
O
Mr
riggs
also
recommended
that
both
applicants
be
approved
to
you
in
the
february
9th
letter
when
we've
seen
that
the
application
that
montl
llc
put
into
the
code
office
and
that
was
not
dated
until
february
after
the
letter
was
written
to
you.
In
addition,
we've
looked
at
the
map
that
was
given
to
city
council
and
there
are
no
dimensions
listed
for
the
alleyway,
no
markings
referencing
where
a
car
should
park
where
the
sidewalk
extended
to
and
who
received
access
to
what
land.
O
It's
our
belief
that,
if
more
information
regarding
the
actual
space
was
given
to
city
council,
they
would
have
understood
that
granting
access
for
both
permits
makes
no
physical
sense.
Finally,
we
feel
that,
since
the
passing
of
our
permit,
we
are
being
told
different
information,
the
photos
that
were
submitted
with
our
application,
which
are
in
the
packet
for
you
to
see
again,
show
a
sidewalk
and
a
parking
space.
O
These
were
listed
as
part
of
our
approved
permit,
but
now
we
are
being
told
that
we
need
to
park
our
car
on
the
sidewalk
farther
into
our
property
into
a
very
narrow
area
that
we
would
not
be
able
to
access
the
passenger
side
of
the
car.
The
opening
of
the
driver's
door
would
be
inches
from
my
mother's
home.
This
was
communicated
to
us
not
until
may
4th.
O
So
given
incomplete
information,
we
feel
that
city
council
could
not
have
made
an
informed
decision
when
they
pass
these
two
permits.
The
result
of
this
is
an
unmanageable
and
an
unsafe
situation.
We
ask
that
the
committee
reconsider
our
situation
and
that
this
does
not
remain
the
final
decision
by
the
city
council.
P
I
am
leonard
meyers
here
last
week,
I'm
here
to
talk
more
about
safety.
The
simple
reason
that
we
had
never
acted
on
this
prior
was
that
anybody
familiar
with
this
area
would
realize
that
this
would
be
an
unsafe
situation
to
ever.
Allow
vehicular
traffic
through
this
tight
space.
In
short,
we
never
believe
that
the
way
the
air
got
governed
for
50
years
could
possibly
be
threatened.
P
The
situation
just
seemed
unimaginable
to
us,
the
agmons,
who
owned
our
home
from
1948
to
I
built
this
structure,
which
is
my
mother-in-law's
home
over
50
years
ago.
If
the
city
at
that
time
allowed
a
front
door
to
be
placed
on
an
actual
alleyway,
then
we
believed
that
it
would
have
been
an
impossibility
to
open
up
this
space,
in
particular
for
vehicular
access.
Imagine
vehicles
driving
within
four
feet
of
your
bedroom
window
and
essentially
on
your
front
porch,
passing
within
four
feet
of
your
front
door.
P
Even
dense
urban
spaces
have
several
feet
of
sidewalk
as
clearance
for
a
front
door.
Not
only
is
this
a
major
disturbance
to
somebody's
right
to
live
peacefully,
it
is
basically
a
tremendously
unsafe
issue.
In
addition,
the
sidewalk
that
we
paid
for
and
had
a
stall
is
not
a
sidewalk
to
support
vehicle
weight.
There
will
be
a
major
utility
pole
that
is
being
proposed
to
be
moved
from
its
current
location.
It
would
require
vehicles
to
travel
between
that
and
through
an
area.
P
That's
about
an
eight
foot
space
to
access
the
south,
shannon
property
newer
vehicles
are
are
sometimes
wider
than
that
space.
In
regards
to
safety,
we
feel
that
this
is
a
disaster
waiting
to
happen,
as
evidenced.
P
Resident
stakeholders-
this
does
affect
more
than
just
my
family,
other
children
access
the
alleyway
to
go
between
relatives
homes
and,
although
rare
children
do
occasionally
play
in
this
area,
vehicular
trade
traffic
in
this
space
does
not
enhance
the
safety
and
well-being
of
this
community,
which
is
the
language
to
be
changing.
This
there's
a
great
deal
of
concern
regarding
the
precedent
that
this
could
establish
regarding
opening
up
access
further
and
further
down
this
alleyway,
all
the
way
to
hughes
mogland
and
our
neighbors
further
down
the
street
that
are
also
concerned
about
this.
P
We
think
that
other
options
are
open
to
the
developer
and
in
particular
to
the
south
sharing
property,
and
we
feel
that
the
established
peace
and
well-being
and
safety
of
long-time
residents
outweigh
that
interest.
I
know
we
are
not
using
the
same
standards
that
the
board
of
zoning
appeals
use,
but
they
use
the
line.
Will
the
granting
of
this
variant
be
in
harmony
with
the
general
purpose
and
intent
of
the
zoning
ordinance
and
will
be
injurious
to
the
neighborhood
or
detrimental
to
the
public
welfare?
R
R
in
those
19
years.
The
alley
behind
my
home
has
been
a
calm
and
quiet
space
shared
by
my
neighbors
with
very
little
traffic.
There
have
been
no
problems
and
I've,
given
it
little
thought.
My
kids
start
bike
rides
in
the
alley
they
walk
to
their
grandparents
house
through
the
alley
I
use
it
for
unloading,
mulch,
etc.
I
was
surprised
to
learn
about
the
proposed
change,
which
would
significantly
change
the
use
of
the
alley.
R
The
athens
ohio
code
of
ordinances
states
that
the
criteria
for
a
right-of-way
permit
is
that
it
will
contribute
to
the
public
health
safety
or
welfare
in
the
city.
It
would
be
difficult
to
argue
that
this
change
would
meet
this
criteria,
as
it
would
clearly
have
a
significant
impact
on
the
activity
and
safety
of
this
area.
I'm
opposed
to
granting
access
through
the
alleyway
to
the
new
home
at
72
south
shannon.
Thank.
Q
91
south
may
you
know
we
bought
this
house
at
91,
south
may,
and
there
was
a
revocable
easement
in
the
alley
set
up
by
mr
doug
80,
that
I'm
sure
some
of
you
remember
and
that
he
renewed
they
renewed
it
once,
and
I
was
planning
on
renew
it
again,
renewing
it
again
next
year.
You
know
it's
part
of
why
we
like
that
property.
It's
got
a
fenced
in
yard.
Q
We
were
two
months
from
our
first
child
at
the
point
where
we
bought
that
property,
and
now
that
wilfred
is
four
and
a
half
and
starting
to
move
towards
those
bicycle
rides
and
starting
in
that
alley,
we'd
prefer
not
to
have
a
road
there
either.
You
know,
I
also
I'm
just
a
little
annoyed
like
usually,
I
call
a
number
of
you
for
different
things
and
ask
questions
on
how
to
move
forward
with
different
projects
right
and
with
this
one
in
particular,
we
made
the
phone
call.
Q
Q
This
can't
be
a
road,
it's
got
to
be
a
curb
cut
and
it
was
a
city
official
at
that
meeting,
the
right
person
to
talk
to-
and
here
we
are
a
little
confusing
as
to
if
the
phone
call
that
I
make
is
the
right
phone
call
to
make
today.
You
know
so
that's
another
reason
why
I
think
we
reconsider
and
talk
about
this
thanks.
S
Hi,
my
name
is
keeley
holtz,
I'm
not
representing
any
party
I
reside
at
73
south
may
avenue,
and
I'm
also
the
property
manager,
in
addition
to
the
safety
concerns
that
everyone
else
has
spoke
about.
I
want
to
know
who
is
going
to
maintain
this
alleyway.
This
alleyway
is
already
not
being
maintained.
It's
basically
like
a
dirt
path,
with
grass
and
gravel
on
it,
and
if
we
have
more
access,
then
it's
always
already
being
accessed.
I
feel
like
it.
S
This
alley
does
not
support
it
and
especially
if
there's
going
to
be
a
build
right
down
the
alley
and
the
construction
vehicles
coming
and
going
from
this
alley
causing
ruts
in
the
alley.
I
already
have
a
small
gravel
drive
in
the
back.
That's
already
hard
enough
to
access
because
of
the
small
size
of
the
alleyway.
I
just
feel
like
it's
just
going
to
break
down
alleyway,
where
none
of
us
are
going
to
be
able
to
use
it.
S
H
H
H
However,
in
my
the
back
of
my
property
about
a
city
alley
that
does
not
go
all
the
way
through
to
the
end
of
the
city's
right-of-way.
So
so
I
understand,
like
my
access
to
the
parking
behind
my
home
is,
is
off
of
a
city
alley
and
regarding
the
maintenance
of
it
I
called
the
city
street
department
and
said:
hey.
Would
it
be
possible
for
this
alley
to
be
graded
and
they
actually
came
right
over
very
quickly
and
graded
and
put
down
rock,
because
the
city
does
do
that
for
for
city
allies?
H
So
just
you
you
can
call
about
that.
But
the
purpose
is
of
the
city.
Ollies
and
right-of-way
is
to
provide
access
to
all
properties
that
abut
that
city
right-of-way.
And
while
I
do
understand
that
it,
your
current
uses
are
what
have
been
the
uses
for
quite
some
time.
H
The
everyone
who
lives
up
to
and
as
as
far
as
89
south
may
has
has
been
using
the
alleyway
for
for
access
to
the
backs
of
their
properties,
and
I
disagree
with
the
fact
that
people
closer
to
the
road
access
therefore
have
greater
rights
or
privilege
to
use
that
city
right-of-way
permit,
and
it
was
my
understanding
from
the
opinion
provided
to
us
by
our
director.
H
Riggs
was
that
there
were
two
property
owners
who
had
applied
for
or
were
applying
for
permits
to
use
the
city's
right-of-way
and
as
members
of
the
city
government,
we
have
to
consider
the
rights
of
both
property
owners
to
access
the
city's
right-of-way
and
if,
if
the
primary
purpose
of
an
alley
or
a
right-of-way,
is
to
increase
access
to
property,
then
to
allow
what
is
already
in
existence
closer
to
one
end
of
the
alley
to
prohibit
access
farther
down.
The
alley
does
does
not
seem
like
a
fair
application
of
use
of
public
right-of-way.
H
J
H
When
well,
we
could
an
ordinance
could
be
introduced
to
revoke
either
or
both
of
the
permits
that
were
granted
in
april
and
so
that
it
would,
it
would
be
an
ordinance
to,
and,
and
it
is,
it
would
depend
on
what
the
the
ordinance
was
was
drafted
to
do,
whether
it
revoked
one
red
property
owner's
permit
to
use
the
public
right-of-way
or
both
property
owners
right
to
use
the
public
right-of-way.
H
No,
no,
we,
our
next
regular
council
meeting,
would
be
when
the
soonest
that
an
ordinance
would
be
introduced.
H
So
we
were
here
to
discuss
this
in
committee
that
that
would
be
the
legislative
action
needed
to
revoke
a
previously
granted
permit.
Okay,
but.
J
No
one
on
the
committee
would
have
to
move
to
to
suggest
that
ordinance.
H
Not
tonight,
no
someone
would
have
to
choose
to
introduce
it
for
first
reading
next
week.
Thank
you
or
two
weeks
from
two
weeks,
two
weeks
from
now
at
our
next
regular
meeting.
K
I
just
really
have
a
question
and
I
know
our
police
chief
of
police
is
left
with
me
and
our
law
director,
but
we
just
had
the
question
about
towing
and
where,
where
from
a
public,
if.
G
K
This
is
not
a
situation
that
is
clear
to
me.
You
know
we
refer
to
these
often
as
paper
alleys,
and
this
alley
in
particular.
I
think
there
are.
There
are
alleys
in
the
city
that
really
have
no
access
at
all,
and
this
one
does
have
access
from
lincoln
down
to
the
to
to
this
point.
But
does
anyone
know,
do
you
know
a
member
grace?
If,
if
you
know
I
park
in
one
of
these
alleys,
am
I
is,
does
the
law
say
that
I
should
not
be
parking
there?
H
M
And
and
typically
those
are
complaint
driven,
you
know,
as
opposed
to
patrolled
and
code,
even
just
search
for
somebody
that
happened
to
be
parked
in
one
of
these,
but
if
there
was
a
complaint-
and
it
was
public
public
property
owned
by
all
the
citizens
of
athens
and
they
were
blocking
somebody
else's
access,
then
yes,
you
know
that
would
be
a
spot
that
could
be
towed.
K
Follow-Up,
yes,
maybe
director
stone
answers.
This
too,
in
terms
of
a
curb
cut
was
mentioned.
Are
there
any
safety
concerns
or
are
there
any
when
a
property
owner
requests
a
curb
cut,
for
example,
here
on
shannon
to
access
these
properties?
Is
that
something
that's
reviewable
by
the
code
director
or
by
your
office
in
terms
of
a
safe,
whether
it's
a
safe
place
for
a
curb
cut
sure.
M
So
our
our
code
requires
an
opening
permit
to
access
the
public
right-of-way,
which
is
commonly
referred
to
as
a
curb
cut
and
that's
entitled
till
nine.
I
think
it's
for
the
general
regulations
and
they
talk
about
that
somewhere
in
title
ix,
but
our
process
right
now
is
there's
an
application
submitted
to
the
code
office.
M
The
code
office
lets
the
engineering
public
work
off
engineering,
public
works
office,
take
a
look
at
it
for
geometry
and
and
what
they're
proposing
to
do
from
a
you
know,
surface
perspective,
and
you
know
if
it's
complex
drainage
or
something
else,
and
then
ultimately,
it's
my
approval
to
to
grant
the
curb
curb.
E
Scott,
were
you
able
to
get
that
slide
up
by
chance.
E
E
E
E
This
would
involve
coming
within
a
few
short
feet
of
this
house.
I
was
first
notified
of
this
issue
on
may
the
6th
got
a
text
from
megan.
Are
you
available
at
11
15
to
have
a
phone
call?
We
had
a
phone
call
I'll
have
to
admit
at
this
point
in
time.
I
feel
that
counsel,
myself
included,
made
a
serious
error
in
passing
this
at
the
first,
the
first
time
we
made
a
mistake.
E
E
E
I
was
the
biggest
advocate
of
this
thing
happening
when
I
walked
down
the
alley.
Mr
montal
was
standing
there
like
this
and
I'm
entering
from
the
other
side,
and
I
could
tell
he
was
deep
in
thought
and
some
of
the
first
words
out
of
his
mouth
is
probably
isn't
going
to
work.
So
we
walked
all
the
way
around
the
property
and
determined
that,
yes,
indeed,
we
could
do
a
curved
cut
here,
because
every
one
of
these
houses
on
south
shannon
has
a
driveway
entrance.
E
E
E
E
The
property
owners
on
this
side
get
five
feet
and
the
property
owners
on
this
side
get
five
feet
from
lincoln.
To
that
point,
the
alley
is
still
accessible,
and
when
I
spoke
with
megan,
I
asked
her.
Could
your
mother
park
on
the
pad
next
to
the
house,
and
she
said
yes,
she
could.
When
you
look
at
that
first
picture
there
there's
a
pad
right
there.
Her
mother's
gonna
have
to
walk
a
little
further.
E
But
what
does
this
do?
This
allows
mr
mantle
to
build
his
quality
house.
This
allows,
I
don't
know
what
your
mother's
last
name
is:
megan's
mother
come
down
to
her
house
and
park,
and
the
nice
thing
is
everybody,
including
heart,
gets
five
more
feet
of
lane.
I
just
gotta
build
a
new
fence.
I
will
come
over
and
help
you
move
your
fence.
You
only
have
to
move
one
side,
but
that's
what
it
would
involve
and
mr
mantle
would
have
all
of
his
property
rights
again.
E
E
So,
madam
chair,
I
don't
know
how
we
go
from
here,
but
my
recommendation
would
be
not
to
throw
the
baby
out
with
the
bath
water
but
to
vacate
the
alley
in
a
manner
that's
most
expedient,
allowing
everybody
to
maintain
their
property.
H
Rights:
okay:
it
is
my
understanding
that
the
city
is.
H
Very
careful
in
any
consideration
of
vacating
right-of-way,
because
once
the
city
vacates
a
right-of-way,
we
can't
get
it
back
other
than
through
eminent
domain,
which
we
know
is
not
a
popular
process
just
one
minute,
and
and
so
I
would
like
opinions
from
director
stone
and
director
riggs
as
to
whether
the
same
plan
could
be
accomplished
but
through
adjusted
right-of-way
permits
use
permits,
rather
than
like
to
continue
to
grant
a
right-of-way
permit
to
allow
the
residents
to
use
the
city
right-of-way
many
of
them
as
they
are
currently
using
the
city
right-of-way
without
the
city
vacating,
the
alleyway
one,
I
think
that's
a
longer
process,
and
so
that
that
is.
M
You
know
a
couple
comments
number
one
in
title:
49
the
right
way
legislation
you
know,
city
council
was
very
directive
when
that
legislation
passed,
that
the
the
body
wanted
to
maintain
authority
to
grant
special
use
of
the
right-of-way
permits,
and
that's
why
this
this
whole
issue
arrived
in
your
lap
as
opposed
to
being
a
an
administrative
function.
You
know,
and
and
we
we
in
the
administration,
find
ourselves
from
time
to
time
in
the
middle
of
circumstances,
where
neighbors
don't
necessarily
agree
with
land
use
of
the
adjoining
neighbor.
M
In
this
instance,
it's
public
property
with
the
with
an
alley
that's
owned
by
all
the
citizens
of
athens.
Certainly
you
could
go
in
there
and
draw
you
know
very
particularly
even
with
the
survey,
maybe
to
say
that
a
permit
could
be
granted
this
way
and
a
permit
could
be
granted
this
way
and
then
that
be
like
a
revision
to
the
permit.
M
To
your
point
about
vacation,
the
city
council
have
done,
has
done
that
in
the
past
and
occasionally
it's
been,
it's
made
sense.
Occasionally
it
hadn't
made
sense.
I
think
there
were
a
number
of
vacations
in
the
1980s
that
I
think
came
back
to
bite
the
city
council.
I
know
former
council
member
bain
was
adamantly
opposed
to
any
future
vacations
because
having
lived
through
that
experience,
that
said,
you
know
we
do
have
instances
in
the
city
where
there
is
encroachment.
M
There's
a
street,
for
instance,
called
valley
view
which
actually
nobody
knows
where
valley
view
is,
but
it
actually
is
a
planet
street
in
the
city.
That
functionally
is
the
backyard
in
the
driveway
of
a
property
owner,
but
in
that
instance,
there's
no
a
joist
adjacent
property
owner
that
says
hey.
I
want
access
through
this
right-of-way,
so
it's
never
come
before
the
administration.
Before
you
know
I
can
come
up
with.
We
can
look
at
the
situation
carefully
and
say
the
implications
of
of
a
vacation
would
be
this.
M
The
implications
of
of
a
you
know,
reissuance
of
permits
in
another
manner,
would
be
this
and
bring
that
forward
to
the
committee.
E
In
the
memo
dated
may
9
2022
from
david
riggs
this
moment
was
to
provide
city
council.
Some
additional
information
on
the
issue
bullet
point
number
six
of
his
bullet
points.
Alternatively,
city
council
may
want
to
consider
vacating
the
alley
from
the
area
south
to
the
end
of
the
alley,
providing
each
property
under
five
feet
of
additional
backyard
space,
and
that
is
the
document
from
our
co-director
that
helped
form.
This
recommendation
that
I
brought
forth
today.
He's
actually
put
it
in
writing
to
counsel
yes,
thank
you.
H
Okay,
so,
first
of
all,
do
we
have
comments
from
members
of
the
public
who
have
not
yet
spoken
that
wish
to
speak
now?
Come
through
mcgregor,
yes
got
him.
I
apologize
go
ahead,
mr
mike.
T
Let
me
just
say
that
you
know
another
thing
to
kind
of
dovetail
on
what
the
director
was
saying
is
when.
T
The
alley
between
morris
and
ohio
is
an
example
which
has
driveways
where
it
has
garage
entrances
in
the
back
so
again
not
opposed
to
the
idea,
but
just
making
sure
that
we're
going
to
have
legislative
guard
rails
on
how
these
types
of
vacations
of
vacating
an
alley
how
that
process
will
work.
I
think
in
this
situation
you
know
you're
looking
at
the
dead
end,
the
furthest
and
south
on
that,
and
you
know,
I
see,
possibilities
there,
because
I'm
not
aware
of
any
any
garages
that
have
access
off
of
that
alley.
H
So,
to
return
to
some
structure
here,
are
there
comments
from
the
audience.
U
V
My
name
is
beth
ferrier
and
I
have
been
contacted
by
the
myers
regarding
this,
and
my
review
of
the
documentation
found
a
number
of
disturbing
items
and
those
included
that
there
was
a
memo
dated
february
9th
referring
to
applicants
and,
at
that
point
in
time
mr
mantle's
special
permit
application
had
not
been
submitted
nor
received
by
the
code
office.
So
I
don't
know
what
that's
about,
but
it
raises
issues
in
my
mind.
V
So
portions
of
this
alleyway
have
been
vacated
long
before
and
it
dead
ended
and
there's
a
reference
to
some
other
various
things,
and
I
think
there's
some
confusion
about
vacating
and
and
so
forth,
and
I
think
the
most
disturbing
thing
about
this
whole
situation
is
that
all
of
the
permits
and
references
and
ordinances
spoke
in
terms
of
south,
shannon
70
south
shannon.
V
But
then,
when
the
permits
were
granted
this
both
the
myers
permit
and
the
montl
llc
permit
reference
72
south,
shannon
that
was
not
part
of
the
application
process,
the
ordinance
anything,
and
so
I
believe
the
new
structure
is
going
to
have
a
72
south,
shannon
address,
but
all
the
permit,
the
ordinance
and
everything
refers
to
a
70
session
which
they
also
own,
and
I
believe
they
were
going
to
access
through
70
into
72..
So
then
you
start
talking
about
things
like
private,
easements
and
other
stuff.
V
H
H
H
Okay,
then.
That
concludes
that
item
on
the
agenda
for
this
evening
and
next
we
move
on
to
more
property
use
discussions,
and
this
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
what
I
think
is
very
exciting.
We're
talking
about
next
steps
to
move
forward
with
some
big
projects
here
in
the
city
and
the
ability
for
these
projects
to
happen
is
dependent
on
some
collaborative
leases
between
the
city
and
ohio
university.
H
So
we
will
be
talking
about
the
location
for
our
new
fire
station
headquarters
and
some
member
prowl
soccer
fields
and
also
some
opportunities
for
development
at
the
ridges
for
ohio
university.
So
I'm
going
to
ask
director
stone
to
provide
us
with
some
of
the
important
details
on
this
and.
M
Thank
you,
member
grace.
What
I'm
sharing
with
you
is
a
document.
That's
in
your
your
packet,
you
already
got
it,
but
just
a
hard
copy
in
case
it
didn't
make
it
in
there
in
time,
because
we
just
kind
of
finalized
it
here
this
morning,
as
I
spoke
to
the
council
several
weeks
ago,
in
an
executive
session
about
potential
for
leases.
M
Okay,
potential
for
leases
associated.
A
M
A
variety
or
a
couple
different,
a
couple,
different
projects
and-
and
you
know
the
mayor
and
I
have
basically
been
in
negotiation
with
ohio
university
to
say
what
these
leases
would
look
like.
In
order
for
us
to
achieve
our
goals
and
for
ohio
university
to
achieve
their
goals
and
and
and
functionally,
these
would
be
simultaneous
leeches.
That
would
at
least
not
leeches.
M
That
would
act
together.
The
first
section
of
the
document
that
you
have
here
are
kind
of
what
the
goals
are
and
when
I
say
least,
these
are
not
leases
for
for
significant
monetary
value.
These
are
leases
for
a
dollar,
at
least
it's
for
18
and
4
cents,
which
is
what
we've
done
in
the
past,
with
ohio.
M
So
really,
what
we're
talking
about
is
his
use
of
property
for
the
public
good
at
both
both
on
behalf
the
city
and
on
behalf
of
the
state
of
ohio
for
ohio
university.
So
the
the
goals
identified
in
that
first
thing
are
number
one:
to
obtain
control
of
the
land
necessary
to
build
a
new
fire
station
new
headquarters
number
two:
to
provide
additional
recreation
to
the
city
for
for
soccer
facilities
that
are
better
than
the
existing
soccer
facilities.
M
We
have
off
off
of
the
hocking
river
and
east
state
street
behind
walmart
and
then
finally,
to
ensure
continued
access
to
the
richland
avenue
dairy
lane
playground
at
the
south
side
park,
but
at
the
same
time
allow
ohio
university
more
flexibility
as
they
look
to
redevelop
the
ridges
and
then
ohio
university's
goals
is
to
plan
an
option
obtain
an
option
to
use
that
land
at
the
south
side
park.
M
Should
they
need
it
when
it
comes
time
to
redevelop
the
ridges
and
then
number
two
ensure
the
university
students
retain
access
to
sufficient
green
space
by
simpson
avenue.
I
know.
We've
talked
a
lot
about
green
space
in
that
land,
north
of
simpson
avenue.
As
we've
talked
about
the
the
new
fire
station
headquarters
and
then
finally,
to
retain
space
for
a
driving
range,
ohio
university
wants
to
continue
to
to
have
a
driving
range.
They
need
to
for
ncaa
sports.
M
So
there's
a
couple
different
facts
here
and
those
are
listed
about
the
the
three
different
areas
that
we're
talking
about:
simpson,
avenue,
west
state
street
and
then
dairy
lane,
and
it
mainly
talks
about
the
parcels
and
what
the
auditor's
appraised
value,
the
county
auditor's
site
notes
as
the
appraised
value
of
the
parcels
that
we're
in
discussing
so
there's
three
exhibits,
exhibit
a
exhibit
b
and
exhibit
c
that
show
really
what
this
simultaneous
lease
arrangement
would
would
convey
access
to
both
entities,
and
so
for
simpson
avenue.
M
The
university
would
lease
the
entire
10.6
acres
that
they
have
there
to
the
city
of
athens,
and
it
would
be
a
40-year
term
with
the
option
to
extend
by
10
years
and
that's
purely
the
city's
option
to
extend
by
10
years
and
then
three
subsequent
10
years
terms
for
an
extension
of
10
years
for
each
one,
with
mutual
agreement
of
both
parties,
and
the
reason
that
that
we
pick
40
years
is
because
that's
the
extent
that
ohio
university
is
permitted
by
state
law
to
lease
a
parcel,
it's
40
years
and
then
that
10-year
option
basically
equals
50
years,
which
is
the
design
life
of
the
new
fire
station.
M
Building
about
three
acres
would
be
needed
to
build
that
new
fire
station
and
the
remaining
acreage
would
be
maintained
as
green
space
by
the
city.
Something
to
note
that's
not
listed
here
in
this
particular
document.
M
Is
you
know,
as
we've
been
moving
forward
on
the
design
for
the
the
power
purchase
agreement
for
the
solar
array,
the
land
just
north
of
this
area
was
one
of
the
areas
that
we
had
identified
and
we
subsequently
because
of
concern
about
access
to
this
green
space
and
a
couple
other
reasons
have
basically
removed
that
from
the
power
purchase
agreement,
and
so
that
would
also
remain
as
green
space
and
that's
the
space,
that's
just
between
the
river
and
the
library.
Also.
M
The
university
did
note
that
they
would
reserve
a
right
to
if
at
some
time
in
the
future
wanted
to
expand
on
the
public
safety
building
that
the
city
has
built
there
with
the
fire
station
and
build
like
an
annex
to
it
for
an
ohio
university
police
station.
They
want
to
have
the
authority
to
do
that.
However,
there
are
no
plans
at
this
time
to
do
that
and
then,
lastly,
should
they
do
that
they
would
want
to
retain
a
right-of-way
along
the
northern
portion,
and
that's
noted
on
that.
M
Exhibit
there
or
I
don't
know
if
the
right
way
is
noted,
but
basically
they
would
retain
access.
They
need
to
be
able
to
retain
access
from
from
such
an
avenue
for
dairy
lane.
The
city
would
lease
the
17.8
acres
to
university
and
ultimately
we
would
lease
it
to
them,
but
it
really
is
policing
an
option
to
use,
because
until
such
time
that
the
university
would
decide
to
utilize
that
space
we
will
continue.
M
The
city
will
continue
to
maintain
and
operate
dearly
in
part,
the
way
that
we
we
currently
have
and
the
way
that
we've
done
for
a
number
of
years
in
the
middle
of
the
dairyland
park,
there's
2.2
acres
that
encompasses
the
playground,
the
shelter
house,
the
bathroom
and
the
parking
lot,
and
that
would
remain
under
the
control
of
the
city
and
then,
if
there
ever
was
to
be
a
need
for
ohio
university
to
use
that
the
city
council
would
have
to
approve.
M
At
that
time,
modifications
to
that
facility-
and
we
knew-
as
we
talked
about
that
that
was
you
know,
kind
of
a
sacred
facility
and
that
there
have
been
so
many
community
organizations
that
have
volunteered
and
raised
funds
to
improve
that
particular
playground.
M
So
if
there
were
going
to
be
any
changes
to
that,
we
would
want
a
future
city
council
to
have
the
authority
to
decide
that
as
opposed
to
it,
you
know
being
left
in
the
hands
of
the
administration
or
to
ohio
university
without
the
city
council's
input
and
then
like,
like,
I
noted,
the
city
would
continue
to
maintain
and
operate
all
of
that
area
as
south
side
park
until
such
time
that
ohio
university
would
utilize
it
and
again
there
are
no
plans
at
this
point.
M
At
least
that's
what's
been
conveyed
to
the
mayor
and
I
from
ohio
university
to
do
any
development
at
the
south
side
park.
However,
as
many
of
you
know,
the
ridge's
advisory
committee
has
been
working
with
buckeye
hills.
Looking
at
what
a
redevelopment
would
look
like
at
the
ridges
and
how
it
could
be
done,
utilizing
a
new
community
authority,
and
I
think,
before
too
awfully
long.
A
couple
representatives
working
on
that
on
behalf
of
ohio
university
are
intending
to
approach
city
council
and
present
about
what
a
new
community
authority
would
look
like.
G
M
On
west
state
street
and
west
state
street-
and
this
would
be
for
a
shorter
term-
not
the
50-year
term
that
we're
talking
about,
because
I
think
that
it's
probably
closer
to
about
a
20-year
term,
which
would
be
in
line
with
what
we've
done
with
a
lease
for
the
land
behind
the
community
center.
But
basically
the
city
would
lease
land
to
the
east
of
the
current
driving
ranges
and
then
improve
that
land
on
the
right
back.
Yep
improve
that
land
to
be
able
to
place
soccer
fields.
In
that
area.
M
That
will
continue
here
into
the
fall,
and
then
our
goal
is
to
improve
some
of
that
space
with
better
drainage,
better
grass,
so
that
the
full
land
could
be
utilized
and
then,
ultimately,
by
a
fence
or
by
by
a
large
net.
That
would
prohibit
golf
balls
from
from
slicing
onto
the
onto
the
soccer
fields,
and
then
we
would
install
that
once
we
get
under
a
a
long
term
lease
with
ohio
university.
M
So
those
are
the
the
terms
that
the
mayor
and
I
have
negotiated
with
ohio
university
and
in
future
council
meetings,
we
would
be
bringing
forward
the
actual
instruments
to
execute
both
to
grant
the
lease
to
ohio
university
on
the
south
side
park
and
then
also
receive
the
lease
from
ohio
university
and
entering
the
lease
on
the
on
the
other
two
properties.
Sir,
did
I
capture
them,
captured
it
all?
Okay,.
H
Thank
you,
director,
stone
that
was
very
thorough,
and
I
I
appreciate
the
university
and
administration
sort
of
taking
a
comprehensive
look
at
some
of
our
different
property
needs
on
both
sides
to
to
find
some
ways
that
we
can
collaborate
and
make
some
of
these
projects
happen.
Are
there
any
members
of
the
committee
that
have
questions
member
crowl
and
then
members
be
on
this?
H
K
You
member
grace,
I
also
appreciate
the
city,
administration
and
ohio
university
getting
together
to
find
a
way
to
work
together
on
this.
However,
there
are
a
few
details
in
this
agreement
that
aren't
ideal,
and
that
is
that,
if
that
we
are
really
going
to
make
a
soccer
facility
in
this
location,
we
really
need
to
think,
as
somebody
who's
been
down
there
with
measuring
tapes
for
the
past
couple
of
weeks,
trying
to
figure
out
how
this
space
works
as
a
soccer
complex,
we
need
to
take
in
the
the
size
of
those
fields.
K
K
K
It
is
logistically
possible
to
have
one
field
on
one
side
of
the
city
or
in
one
field,
on
the
other.
It's
not
ideal,
because
a
lot
of
players
play
on
different
teams
and
pick
up
etc.
But,
more
importantly,
I'm
concerned
about
what
the
plans
are
for
this
west
state
street
area,
because
the
there's
lots
of
repairing
that
needs
to
be
done.
So
there's
not
going
to
be
space
for
a
full
field
there.
If
we,
if
we
can
only
have
if
we
have
to
have
one
field
there
and
one
field
over
on
the
intramural
fields.
K
K
K
But
I
just
I
also
you
know
the
language
about
the
south
side
playground.
I
really
appreciated
seeing
that
it
would
take
further
approval
from
city
council
to
ever
use
that
for
anything
that
was
really
important
to
me,
and
I
know
other
members,
members
of
council
too.
So
so
thank
you
for
that.
Thank
you.
Ingress.
T
I
would
and
customer
pro
you
know
you
you
looked
at
that
diagram
where
it
does
have
the
dashed
blue
line.
Yeah.
Okay,
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
you
know
that
would
be
the
you
know.
The
official
use
of
that
when
that
time
comes
right.
K
Can
I
just
follow
up
real
quick,
so
there's
a
manhole
cover
in
there
yeah
yeah.
U
U
K
K
K
M
And
I'm
I'm
sorry,
I
would
agree.
You
know
there
needs
to
be
a
level
of
clarity.
One
of
the
things
that
I've
directed
the
arts,
parks
and
recreation
to
do
is
they
is
hire
a
design
firm
to
do
an
actual
boundary
survey
that
that
is
because
we're
gonna
have
to
do
that
for
the
lease
anyway.
M
That
has
the
meets
and
bounds
of
the
area
particular
and
when
they
do
that
to
do
a
topo
survey
and
then
really
lay
out
how
the
number
of
cycle
fields
would
fit
in
the
space
where
the
where
the
net
would
go
right
and
then
identify
those
obstructions
and
what
improvements
would
be
made
to
mitigate
those
obstructions,
as
well
as
the
grading
plan
to
to
bring
up
the
goose
poop
area
that
we
talked
about
out
there.
M
Where
this
I'm
sorry
at
the
meeting,
we
talked
about
an
area
that
goose
frequent
in
this
particular
spot
because
it's
low
and
lays
in
water,
and
so
that's
gonna-
have
to
be
brought
up
and
graded,
which
is
what
will
happen
in
the
fall.
Almost
you
know,
as
the
soccer
activity
moves
over
to
the
intramural
fields,.
I
I
So
the
extent
to
which
there's
the
geotechnical
analyses
whatever
have
been,
and
the
engineering
has
been
done
to
really
fully
determine
what
has
to
be
done
to
make
sure
that
we
are
not
going
to
have
a
collapsing
fire
station
as
we
do
now.
I
I
understand
why
there
are
different
reasons
for
that,
but
still,
I
think
it's
a
legitimate
question
and
perhaps
I'm
a
little
jaded
after
the
university
of
state's
bike
path
situation
that
we
are
really
careful
about
this.
H
So
I
would
just
the
the
city
and
the
university
have
other
long-term
lease
agreements,
and
so
historically
there
haven't
been
conflicts.
For
instance,
a
corner
of
the
parking
garage
is
is
on
university
property.
H
I
think
the
corner
with
the
elevators
right,
so
so
a
portion
of
the
the
city
parking
garage
is
is
on
the
university
property,
and
so
we
as
as
a
city
it
in
a
university
town
or
university
in
a
city,
frequently
navigate
these
sort
of
use,
agreements
and
collaboration,
but
and
also
the
50
years,
is
the
anticipated
life
of
the
building,
as
stated
by
director
stone,
and
so
we
we
are
certain.
T
T
That
building
is
on
a
35
year.
I
believe
30
or
35
year,
land
use
agreement
with
the
county.
So
it's
not
unusual
to
do
have
agreements
lease
agreement
arrangements
like
that
and
I'll
take
your
questions
in
parts.
The
first.
M
About
the
length
of
term
for
the
lease
all
of
the
development
on
east
state
street
is
on
ohio
university
land.
Well,
west
correction,
east
of
the
community
center
out
to
lowe's
is
on
land
owned
by
ohio
university
and
in
a
long-term
lease
agreement
with
a
developer
that
subsequently
leases
it
to
businesses
to
establish
retail
establishments
at
the
location.
So
it's
pretty
common
for
ohio
university
to
lease
land
versus
dispose
of
it.
M
I
think
that
the
the
state
of
ohio
laws
related
to
disposal
of
state
property
is
a
pretty
high
bar
versus
the
laws
associated
with
leasing
state
property.
It's
still
a
high
bar,
I
mean
it
still
requires
approval
by
the
the
you
know:
the
board
of
trustees
to
grant
it
and
department
administrative
services
to
oversee
the
the
lease.
M
But
you
know
in
many
cases
you
know
rather
than
dispose
of
property
they'll.
Just
you
know
lease
it
for
a
long
term,
and
if
someone
is
borrowing
against
it,
you
know
there's
a
certain
point
and
I
I
won't
speak
like
a
banker
would
because
they
would
know
definitively.
But
you
know.
M
They're
concerned
from
from
mortgages-
and
such
you
know
once
something
is
in
so
long
of
a
lease-
it
functionally
counts
as
like
ownership
for
purposes
of
lending.
So
you
know
our
thought
with
this
term
was
it
was
appropriate,
given
the
design
life
of
the
building
and
then
at
such
time,
if
it's
still
functional
and
working
in
the
future,
those
options
can
be
exercised
and
extended.
With
regards
to
the
geotechnical
questions
that
you
had,
I
would
draw
a
contrast
between
a
slope
stability
situation
and
a
flat.
M
You
know
bearing
capacity
situation
and
that
slope
stability
is
is,
is
you
know
more
difficult
to
predict?
You
know
just
the
behavior
underneath
the
ground,
and
I
know
that
you've
met
and
talked
extensively
with
both
the
city,
engineer
and
assistant
city
engineer
about
the
situations
related
to
the
the
university
of
state's
bike
bath
spur
and
the
slip
or
slips
in
that
particular
area.
So
we
won't
belabor
that,
but
in
this
particular
site
the
design
firm
is
number
one.
M
M
As
well
as
the
the
live
load
that
will
be
inside
is
to
say,
the
trucks
they'll
do
that
number
two,
the
fill
necessary
to
get
above
not
only
the
100
year,
flood
plan,
but
the
500
year
flood
plan,
which
is
necessary
for
an
emergency
services.
Building,
will
ensure
that
that
we
meet
that
that
elevation
as
well
and
that
that
fill
is
placed
correctly
so
that
you
don't
have
a
subsided
situation.
The
current
fire
station
again
is
unique
because
it
is,
it
is
a
you
have.
M
Apparatus
is
on
the
second
story
of
a
building,
whereas
with
the
the
new
fire
station
they'll
be
on
the
first
story,
slav
one
great.
K
Kell,
oh
thank
you
and
just
to
address
another
something
that
I've
heard
in
ward,
3
and
I'll.
Let
director
stone
respond
to
this
too,
which
is
also
about
flooding
and
some
of
these
issues
that
our
constituents
are
concerned
about
the
concerns
that
I've
heard
of
not
so
much
with
the
building
itself,
but
with
building
up
the
property
and
then
the
displacement
of
water,
perhaps
going
into
into
into
homes.
On
the
on
the
near
east
side,
do
you
want
to
address
the
potential
of
that
occurring?
M
Is
is
complex,
and
this
is
not
a
lake
where
I'm
sorry
where,
if
you
had
a
lake-
and
you
were
filling
in
one
spot
in
the
lake,
it
would
displace
the
the
water
in
another
spot
to
push
it
out.
It's
not
like
a
glass
of
water
river
flood
behavior
has
a
variety
of
variables
associated
with
it.
You
know
mainly
it's
because
of
the
the
drainage.
G
M
That's
you
know
that
supply
the
water
for
the
flooding
constrictions
along
the
length
of
the
river,
and
then
the
slope
and
the
nature
of
the
channel
so
to
say
that,
because
you're
filling
here,
it's
going
to
immediately
make
the
water
go
and
move
over
to.
There
is
just
not
true
when
it
comes
to
flood
behavior.
M
We
have
flood
damage
prevention
regulations
in
our
code
that
allows
for
development.
In
the
flood
plain,
the
flood
plain
is
distinct
from
the
floodway,
which
is
a
portion
of
the
flood
plain
that
is
in
the
center
of
the
river,
and
when
you
build
in
a
flood
way,
our
regulations
require
you
to
demonstrate
that
you
aren't
displacing
water
upstream
of
the
the
structure
that
you're
that
you're
building
or
the
fill
that
you're
placing
and
they
have
to
do.
M
You
know
anyone
who
would
do
that
would
have
to
provide
a
significant
amount
of
engineering
analysis
through.
You
know,
computer
programs
that
that
would
spit
out
a
product
to
say
that
they're
not
causing
a
rise
above
that
that
that
development
in
this
particular
instance
it's
in
the
flood
plain,
a
significant
portion
of
athens,
is
in
the
flood
plain
and
every
day
we
look
at
developments
that
occur
in
the
flood
plain
and
permitted.
M
In
those
instances,
the
the
law
requires
that
people
build
the
the
finished
floor
of
the
the
first
finish
floor,
one
foot
above
the
100-year
flood
plain.
So
at
such
times
that
that
you
know
we
have
a
significant
flood
event
fema,
which
is
the
entity
that
that
provides.
The
federal
flood
insurance
program
is
not
insuring
something
we're
not
not
not
paying
funding
for
something
that
a
community
has
the
ability
to
go
and
regulate
to
have
the
out.
M
E
On
exhibit
a
currently
both
the
blue
and
the
green
are
owned
by
and
maintained
by
ohio
university.
Obviously,
the
blue
will
be
ours
so
to
speak
and
maintained
by
us
who
will
maintain
the
green
area
under.
M
The
terms
that
we've
negotiated
the
city
will
maintain
that
as
well.
Okay,
so
to
the
point
of
of
of
maintaining
in
his
green
space,
the
city
would
then
have
control
to
do
that.
Okay,.
E
So
then,
when
we
move
to
exhibit
b
several
questions
at
the
current
time,
ohio
university
owns
and
maintains
all
of
that
green
and
blue.
E
When
we
take
over
the
blue,
the
the
soccer
area,
I
assume
we
will
maintain
that
right.
So
what
we've
added
here
is
additional
space
that
the
city
of
athens
will
be
responsible
for
maintaining.
E
Do
you
foresee
being
able
to
minimize
the
amount
of
attention
that
we
pay
to
the
current
soccer
area
out
on
east
state
street
by
walmart
to
perhaps
offset
the
workload
for
this?
I
do.
I
think.
M
That
we
don't
want
to
let
that
go
back
to
nature
true,
but
I
think
that
once
those
are
deprogrammed
or
lesser
programmed
the
the
fields,
thereby
walmart
specifically,
we
can
mow
them
less
frequently
and
then
that
frees
up
capacity
to
be
able
to
care
for
the
the
land
of
the
west
station
park
that
we're
expanding
and
adding
adding
more.
M
Really
talking
about
mowing
and
that's
a
you
know
and
there's
other
maintenance
as
well
that
we
have
to
do,
but
mowing
is
the
big
demand,
particularly
during
the
season
that
they're
being
used
with
regard
to
the
land
off
of
simpson
avenue.
My
idea
at
the
moment
is
to
have
our
firefighters
know
that
they
have
a
good
as
opposed
to
our
hearts
parks
and
recreation
crew,
which
currently
maintains
the
land
north
off
the
picture
here
by
the
library,
and
I
think.
K
M
Can
do
that
because
it's
adjacent
to
the
facility
they
get
a
good
high-speed
mower.
You
know
they
can
do
it
not
unlike
what
they
do
right
now,
with
caring
for
the
lawns
at
the
existing
two
fire
stations
and
then,
if
they
get
a
call
and
get
off
the
mower
leave
it
you'll
get
a
truck
again.
E
So
with
the
west
state
street
soccer
facility,
now
that
we'll
have
a
dedicated
soccer
facility,
that's
not
flooded
and
having
trees
and
everything
else
floating
on.
Do
you
think
we're
going
to
be
able
to
maintain
grass
height
there
to
make
it
actually
playable.
M
I
you
know
I'd
like
to
think
that
we
can.
This
current
southeast
corner
lays
in
water
when
it
when
it's
very
rainy
and
it
ends
up.
That's
an
area
we're
going
to
do
some
grading
and
planting,
and
possibly
even
some
sod
depending
upon
you
know
how
quickly
we're
attempting
to
to
re
utilize
it.
But
you
know
it's
it's
better,
it's
in
better
shape
than
the
the
just
by
the
fact
that
it
doesn't,
you
know,
flood
very
frequently,
the
rest
of
it
than
compared
to
the
west
state
street.
A
K
Thank
you,
president
eisley
two
items
on
finance
and
personnel
tonight,
the
first
accepting
amounts
and
rates
is
determined
by
the
budget
commission
and
authorize
the
necessary
tax
levies.
This
is
a
resolution
that
we
do
annually
to
accept
the
amounts
and
rates
from
the
county
auditor
for
for
the
city
to
receive
the
inside
millage
for
property
taxes
in
athens,
township
in
kanan
township,
that
is
2.6
mills
in
athens,
township
and
2.4
mills
in
canaan
township.
K
K
K
Thank
you
next
item
on
our
agenda
capital
recovery
services
agreement
and
especially
daca
grants
from
the
mississippi
court.
K
This
is
an
an
agreement
that,
with
a
columbus
based
firm
for
one
year,
that
would
allow
the
municipal
court
is
requesting
to
enter
into
this
agreement
with
capital
recovery
services
in
order
to
collect
outstanding
fines
and
fees.
If
I
understand
correctly
from
the
agreement
by
ohio
state
statute,
a
30
percent
collection
fee
could
be
added
to
these
fees,
and
that
is
the
amount
that
then
the
capital
recovery
services
would
receive
for
collecting
these
on
on
behalf
of
the
city.
But
we
have
the
clerk
of
court
with
us
tonight.
W
Hello,
I'm
tanya
dye
clerk
of
court.
I
was
requesting
this
as
an
another
alternative
for
our
collection
efforts.
Currently,
we
do
go
through
the
attorney
general's
office
speaking
to
a
lot
of
other
court
clerks.
They
actually
use
both
a
private
collection
and
the
ago.
So
this
would
give
us
another
alternative
to
use
to
collect
outstanding
debts.
W
This
this
company,
in
particular,
has
is
used
by
several
courts
throughout
the
state
to
great
success,
so
that
was
one
of
the
reasons
to
say:
try
to
enter
into
this
agreement.
K
W
W
There
is
a
limit.
You
know
that
we
do
set
this
like.
Okay,
we're
not
going
to
see
some
of
these
are
collectible.
We
also
know
so
we
are.
We
are
certainly
looking
at
this
part
of
the
major
problem
is
where
we
do
accept
partial
payments.
W
Sometimes
that
goes
below
the
limit
that
we
can
send
currently
to
the
attorney
general's
office.
So
it
could
just
be
that
you
know
you've
made
one
payment,
you've
forgotten
about
it,
you've
moved
on
and
graduated
and
there's
we're
sort
of
at
an
impasse
on
what
we
can
do.
I
have.
I
know,
though,
just
spoken
with
the
attorney
general's
office
and
gotten
our
structure
lowered
but,
like
I
said,
courts
across
the
state
have
found
that
utilizing
both
has
been
to
their
benefit.
K
I
did
note
that
the
agreement
doesn't
give
the
capital
recovery
services
a
blanket
permission
to
go
after
any
delinquent
fees.
You,
the
courts
specifically
say
here,
is
a
claim
that
you
made
that
please
help
us
with.
W
Yes,
yes,
and-
and
I
review
those
and
like
I
said
there
are
some
that
we
have
flagged
and
went
there's
this
isn't
collectible.
W
That
is
one
of
my
projects
as
well
is
to
review
those,
especially
for
people
who
are
currently
incarcerated,
which
you're
not
allowed
to
send
to
collections,
but
to
see
about
just
eventually
trying
to
waive
those
costs
and
remove
them
from
from
the
books.
We've
got
some
people
who
are
going
to
be
incarcerated
for
30
years.
W
K
I
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Just
a
couple,
quick
questions.
You
said
that
they
are
the
capital
recovery
services
does
has
great
success,
so
I'm
wondering
if
they
could
quantify
that
percentage
of
you
know
recovered
tax
money.
That
sort
of
thing.
I
think
that
would
be
helpful
to
get
a
sense
of.
W
Essentially,
one
of
the
things
capital
recovery
can
do
is
you
know,
go
after
that
really
all
year
and
try
to
focus
on
collecting
that
through
you
know,
telephone
calls
all
the
standard
collection
practices.
W
W
Don't
have
currently,
you
know
what
what
the
success
rate.
I
have
not
looked
specifically
at
that
for
tonight's
meeting,
but
I
can
get
the
information
to
you
regarding
some
of
their
other
collections
across
the
state.
I
Please
also,
I
noticed
that
it
was
30,
was
their
their
take
on
this.
So
how
does
that
compare?
I
mean,
of
course
they
didn't
get
paid
something,
but
how
does
that
compare
to
other
options?
I
mean
it's
30
percent
of
standard.
W
W
W
K
G
G
K
K
G
K
W
They
they
add
their
fee,
we
get
their
our
full
requested
amount.
We
could
and
also
renegotiate
and
ask
you
know
for
interest
and
other
things
with
the
attorney
general,
which
we
do
not
so,
but
yes,
they
they
collect
a
fee
as
well,
which
is
in
addition
to
what
our
costs.
K
Are
okay?
Great
any
other
comments
on
this
issue?
Okay,
there's
a
second
item
on
this
agenda,
which
is
specially
docket
grants
and
I'm
not
familiar
with
what
this
agenda.
W
Last
year,
through
the
ohio
mental
health
board,
the
sami
abuse
mental
health
docket
and
the
dui
court
were
both
granted
a
two-year
grants
that
second
year
begins
in
july,
when
you
will
all
be
on
on
break
on
hiatus,
so
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
could
allocate
those
funds
they
have
been
in
the
budget
based
off
of
my
numbers,
I
did
include
the
include
that
use
for
when
those
checks
did
come
in.
However,
we
might
need
to
adjust
some
line
items.
You
know
between
supply
and
salary
lines.
W
Versus
trying
to
do
first
and
second
readings
in
august,
because
we
do
have
a
deadline
july
to
to
use
those
those
funds-
one,
the
sami
court
grant-
is
25
000.
The
dui
court
grant
is
35
000.,
so.
K
Okay,
well,
thank
you
for
bringing
that
information
tonight.
Any
questions
from
the
committee,
mr
other
members
of
council,
to
the
administration.
Thank
you
so
much
for
the
long
wait
tonight.
We
appreciate.
K
Problem
president
nicely
that
ends
finance
and
personnel.
A
J
M
M
M
We
already
paid
twenty
thousand
dollars
in
engineering,
but
because
this
is
going
to
be
a
project,
we're
gonna
have
to
capture
that
in
the
authorization
and
so
and
then
I'd
also
like
to
ask
for
an
additional
twenty
thousand
dollars
for
contingency,
depending
on
how
bids
come
in
and
such.
So,
what
I'm
asking
for
is
an
authorization
of
255
thousand
dollars,
an
appropriation
of
235
000
to
to
pay
for
this.
This
project.
Thank.
M
Is
I've
put
it
off
a
long
time?
I
mean
I've.
Looked
at
these
all
the
way
back
to
2000
and
before
I
was
in
charge
of
engineering
and
public
works.
When
I
was
just
in
charge
of
streets,
I
went
and
did
an
assessment
and
we've
we've
we've
put
this
off
as
long
as
we
probably
should.
You
know,
there's
no
reason
in
some
of
those
earlier
years
to
do
it.
M
I
thought
based
on
the
condition
of
it,
but
it's
getting
to
the
point
that
the
condition
is
such
that
we
we
need
to
go
ahead
and
do
it
and.
M
M
On
there,
you
could
have
a
situation
where
you
had
a
not
necessarily
it
wouldn't
be
a
catastrophic
collapse,
but
it
could
be
a
like
that
with
a
truck
on
it,
which
wouldn't
be
good.
Okay,
thank.
E
M
Great
they're,
I
mean
they're
14
inches
thick
of
concrete,
with
two
layers
of
rebar,
so
yeah,
and
they
they
do
look
pretty
bad,
particularly
when
you're
looking
down
underneath
it,
but
you
know:
there's
still
some
life
in
there.
That's
why?
I
don't
think
it's
you
know
an
eminent
collapse
tomorrow,
but
this
is
a
project
we
need
to
need
to
get
ahead
of
you.
Thank
you.
J
This
is
a
topic
that
has
come
up
in
the
context
of
just
clarifying
the
charges
and
responsibilities
of
our
various
boards
and
commissions.
I
know
that,
as
chair,
I've
had
some
communication
with
our
our
mayor,
our
arts
parks
and
recreation
director,
and
even
some
commentary
from
our
auditor
just
acknowledging
that
there
has
been
some
confusion
and
in
terms
of
responsibilities
for
the
what
is
currently
titled
the
parks
and
recreation
advisory
board,
but
has
been
operating
for
at
least
some
time,
with
the
assumption
of
responsibility
for
arts
as
well.
J
So
I
wanted
to
take
this
as
an
opportunity,
although
I've
had
one-on-one
conversations
to
publicly
clarify
and
invite
questions
or
comments
about
the
setup
of
our
commissions
and
boards
that
are
intended
to
support
arts
parks
and
recreation
broadly,
and
I
can
also
share
that
one
of
our
arts
parks
and
recreation
advisory
board.
Council
representatives
is
here
with
us,
and
I
believe
that
council,
member
swank,
can
add
some
comments
to
this
conversation.
E
Sir
interesting
thursday
night
we
had
a
the
third
thursday
of
the
month,
hearts
parks
and
recreation
advisory
board
meeting
and
at
the
38
minute
mark
of
the
film
you
can
watch
this.
This
topic
came
up
and
it
was
very
interesting.
Three
of
the
holdover
members
actually
articulated
that
they
probably
wouldn't
be
on
the
board,
if
it
weren't
for
the
arts
component.
E
In
fact,
one
gentleman
who's
about
to
leave
the
board
mentioned
the
fact
that
that
was
the
parks
and
recreation
important,
but
the
arts
component
is
what
made
him
say
yes
to
the
nomination,
and
I
just
called
up
on
the
website
here.
We
just
recently
redid
our
logo
and
it
actually
says
arts
parks
and
recreation
on
it,
so
kind
of
what
we
were.
Looking
for,
what
the
the
committee
was
looking
for
advisory
committee
was,
you
know,
a
clear
statement.
E
What
makes
this
unique
is
that
within
the
arts
parks
and
recreation
department,
we
have
a
dedicated
arts
building
arts
west
that
has
programming
many
times
seven
days
a
week,
everything
from
bringing
kids
from
the
current
west
elementary
and
after
school.
To
you
know,
the
choices
here
should
go
on
and
on
and
on
and
tell
us
all
the
things.
So
we
have
within
this
when
this
within
this
department
an
actual
dedicated
arts
building.
So
it's
a
huge
component.
E
In
fact,
last
year,
when
I
was
chair
of
the
committee,
we
changed
the
our
agenda
so
that
every
meeting
we
had
an
arts
component,
a
parts
component
and
a
recreation
component,
and
then
there
was
an
ordinance
last
year.
That
kind
of,
I
won't
say,
dropped
it,
but
didn't
have
arts
in
there.
So
there
was
concern
that,
yes,
we
are
a
true
arts
parks
and
recreation
committee
advisory
committee.
K
Oh
thank
you,
member
mccary,
so
I'm
just
a
little
bit
confused
here.
Looking
at
city
code
for
the
recreation
advisory
board,
it's
called
the
recreation
advisory
board
and
it's
also
called,
I
believe,
the
recreation
program
advisory,
the
program's
in
there
at
one
point,
but
it
it
doesn't
refer
to
the
arts.
K
So
are
we
just
are?
We
is
this
agenda
item
to
simply
change
the
title
or
to
change
the
mission
of
the
because
the
recreation
advisory
board
talks
about
recreation?
When
I
was
on
the
recreation
advisory
board,
we
didn't
talk
about
arts,
but
that
was
a
different
time.
I'm
I'm
not
against
either
one.
K
K
Would
we
take
recreation
and
also
put
it
on
the
municipal
arts
commission
would
be
there
I'm
trying
to
understand.
It
seems
to
me
that
we
have
separate
things
for
separate
reasons,
so
I'm
a
little
bit
confused
as
to
and
and
and
for
those
members
who
are
on
the
board,
and
it
came
because
of
arts.
I
understand
that
and
maybe
they
don't
want
to
be,
I
think
there's
lots
of
people
in
the
community
who
are
interested
in
recreation.
K
Certainly,
our
pickleball
community
is
very
active
and
I
know
our
soccer
community
is
very
active,
but
I
don't
think
we'd
have
a
hard
time
finding
people
who
are
really
interested
in
recreation,
not
that
I
want
to
lose
anybody
who's
very
interested
in
arts,
but
maybe
they'd
be
a
good
candidate
for
the
municipal
arts.
Commission.
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
exactly
what
word.
What
this
agenda
item
is.
Is
it
just
a
name
change,
or
are
we
looking
to
redefine
what
the
recreation
advisory
board
does?
Thank
you
carrie.
Thank.
J
You
for
those
questions,
I
would
say
that
this
has
been
a
point
of
confusion.
So
I
appreciate
those
clarifying
questions
and
the
idea
would
ultimately,
from
my
perspective,
be
to
have
the
names
of
commissions
match
the
implied
responsibilities,
and
I
would
say
that
part
of
the
confusion
from
my
perspective
since
joining
council
has
been
that
we
have
from
an
administrative
perspective,
arts
parks
and
recreation
lumped
together.
J
But
that
was
not
the
intended
structure
for
our
our
municipal
arts,
commission
and
that,
from
my
first
understanding,
we
are
hoping
to
maintain
a
level
of
attention
on
each
component,
arts
with
a
dedicated
commission
as
well
as
recreation,
and
I
think
at
this
point
might
need
to
turn
things
over
to
the
administration
for
some
comment
and
clarification
mike.
E
Real
quick
before
you
go
a
good
starting
point
of
the
conversation
would
be
to
simply
go
to
the
athens
arts
parks
and
recreation
website
and
at
the
top
there
are
three
tabs
arts
and
the
things
under
arts
are
arts.
West
programming
special
events
gallery
shows
seo
musical
lending
library
and
things
under
that.
Then
there's
a
tab
for
parks
and
I
won't
read
all
these.
You
can
look
at
themselves,
but
it
lists
all
that
and
recreation
it.
It
lists
all
that.
So
I
guess,
if
there's
any
confusion,
that's
maybe
where
it
comes
from.
J
I
appreciate
those
comments
and
I
think
there
may
be
some
discrepancies
in
what
we
have
written
as
far
as
responsibilities
and
charges
of
the
groups
versus
what
they're
called
and
then
even
what
they've
been
putting
on
their
agendas
at
different
times
under
different
leadership.
T
Thank
you
remember,
kerry.
Let
me
just
read
the
duties,
powers
and
duties,
the
pertinent
powers
and
duties
of
the
rec
advisory
board
advise
that
administration
on
matters
related
to
the
adoption
of
programming
policies
and
procedures
for
operations,
equipment
and
maintenance
of
parks,
playgrounds,
play
fields,
public
baths,
which
I
don't
know
that
we
have
swimming
pools,
indoor,
recreation,
centers,
gymnasiums
for
land
or
buildings.
T
Excuse
me
owned
by
the
city
of
athens,
not
dedicated
to
public
use
other
than
for
recreational
uses.
That
is
the
probably
the
number
one
item
to
share.
There's
there's
three
other
bullets,
and
then
you
look
at
the
powers
and
duties
of
amac
and
I'm
not
going
to
read
through
all
these,
because
it's
very
lengthy-
and
I
should
give
a
shout
out
that
amac
is
20
years
old.
So
congratulations
amac
the
powers,
the
powers
and
duties
of
the
municipal
arts
commission
may
be,
but
are
not
restricted
to
the
following.
T
The
study
of
current
status
of
arts
and
athens
to
establish
policies
for
juried,
selections
of
art,
presentations,
installations,
to
develop
policies
and
procedures
for
public
art
and
the
maintenance
of
sane
in
in
cooperation
with
the
parks
and
recreation
department
recommend
to
the
proper
authority.
T
The
addition
of
arts
in
athens,
with
particular
attention
to
parks,
bus
stops,
gateways,
open
spaces,
municipal
properties
and
buildings,
and
then
next
bullet
in
cooperation
with
parks
and
rec
parks
and
recreation,
recommend,
city
performance
venues
and
encourage
the
development
of
performance
programs
and
there's
seven
or
eight
other
bullets
on
here.
T
Both
of
these
both
of
these
boards
are
advisory
to
the
mayor.
I
make
the
appointments
to
those
in
2017
or
18.
I
did
make
an
appointment
of
an
individual
who
is
is
an
artist
and
it
was
to
establish
at
least
a
liaison
and
get
communications
flowing
between
the
two
departments.
So
two
different
boards,
which
I
don't
know
if
originally
in
2002,
that
there
was
a
lot
of
communications
going
forward
between
the
two.
T
But
I
can
tell
you
now
that
in
all
my
time
serving
on
amac
as
a
council
representative
and
then
attending
imac
meetings,
and
now
it's
with
ultimate
reisner.
As
the
council
representative,
there
isn't
a
whole
lot
of
communications
back
and
forth
between
the
two
different
boards
and
commissions.
I
would
like
to
see
them
engage
with
each
other.
At
least
you
know
semi-annual
I'd
like
to
see
them.
Do
it
quarterly,
quite
honestly,
to
where
they
come
together
and
talk
about
what
arts
programming
they
would
like
to
see
in
the
parks
this
summer.
T
T
J
T
Well
sure,
from
an
operational
standpoint,
it's
through
the
director
of
arts,
parks
and
recreation,
and
you
know
annually
when
we
put
together
the
budget
there
can
be
budgeting
for,
for
you
know,
certainly
we're
doing
it
for
amac
this
year
and
we'll
continue
to
do
so
with
the
athens
arts
and
music
festival
and
but
really
when
you
think
about
it.
For
the
arts
from
the
parks
and
recreation
standpoint,
that's
all
budgeted
through
270
272
271.
It's
it's
coming
through
the
revenue
that
gets
generated
by
the
levy
and
as
well.
H
So,
just
for
clarity
sake.
If
I
may
remember
my
ferry,
we
have
one
city
department,
that
is
arts
parks
and
recreation,
and
we
have
two
boards
that
serve
to
advise
that
city
department,
one
that
is
focused
on
arts,
amac
and
one
that
is
focused
on
the
recreation
and
parks.
Although
art
in
the
park
certainly
brings
those
together
so
to
to
me
that
is
clear
and
and
makes
sense
like
yeah.
T
Yeah
so
amac,
basically
the
way
the
setup
is
advisory
to
me,
not
necessarily
advisory
to
director
catherine
ann
jordan,
although,
where
the
director
gets
you
know
in
the
loop
on
these,
things
is
from
an
operational
standpoint,
because
that's
your
job
is
to
make
sure
that
maintenance
and
operations
are
going,
and
that
includes
arts
quest.
T
But
the
art
programming
that
takes
place
in
the
just
the
programming
period
is
through
emily
beveridge,
who
also
works
and
is
on
the
a
mac
board
and
kind
of
has
a
permanent
seat
because
of
the
the
showcasing
of
art
inside
arts
west,
the
performances
that
go
on
inside
arts
west.
T
You
know
it's
this
and
it's
it's
when
and
I
might
lean
on
the
clerk
of
council
just
a
little
bit,
but
when
we
acquired
the
nazarene
church
to
become
the
to
become
arts
west,
you
know
it
could
be
very
likely
that
about
that
point
in
time
is
when
the
arts
component
all
of
a
sudden,
had
to
land
somewhere
within
the
city
administration.
T
You
know
functionally,
and
so
arts
parks
rec
picked
up
the
art
to
include
that
with
what's
going
on
within
arts
west.
So
again,
that's
a
2002.
You
know
maybe
mid
late
90s
clerk
of
council.
Do
you
know
by
chance.
J
If
I
could
ask
the
mayor
to
just
clarify
one
point
you
made
just
a
moment
ago
in
reviewing
the
charge
of
the
wreck
advisory
board,
specifically,
there
is
mention
of
parks
being
included
in
that,
and
we've
also
heard
from
council
member
grace
that
there
could
be
some
overlap
between
arts
and
parks.
But
I
heard
you
mentioned
a
moment
ago.
If
you
had
a
suggestion,
it
might
be
to
add
or
update
the
title
of
the
advisory
board
to
parks
and
recreation
advisory
board.
Is
that
a
solution
that
you
see
is.
T
Helpful
here
the
rec
advisory
board
advises
on
you,
know
the
parks
themselves
and
what's
going
on
within
the
park
spaces?
Okay,
I
don't
have
issue
with
that
name
change,
but
what
I
don't
want
is
everyone
to
really
become
thoroughly
confused
by
calling
it.
The
arts,
parks
and
recreation
advice
reward,
because
we
do
have
the
athens
municipal,
arts,
commission.
B
Yeah
I
just
want
to
throw
in
my
two
cents.
I
I
really
don't
see
any
need
to
change
titles
here.
I
think
the
way
the
system's
set
up
is
it
works,
but
the
mayor
does
have
a
good
point.
We're
we're
not
communicating
very
well,
and
I
like
the
suggestion
that
we,
the
two
boards
and
the
mayor,
should
come
together,
semi-annually
or
quarterly
exchange
views
and
ideas
and
programs
and,
in
other
words,
communicate
better
than
what
we
are
right
right
now,
where
aimac
meets,
and
then
they
meet
and
do
their
thing
their
thing,
everybody.
J
You
so
I'm
hearing
some
communication
improvement
opportunities,
perhaps
not
only
between
boards
and
commissions,
but
also,
perhaps
with
what
we
put
out
publicly
to
explain
what
these
boards
are
focused
on.
Council
members,
fieldness.
I
Well,
I
guess
it's
kind
of
to
me
a
little
bit
confusing,
certainly
and
perhaps
operationally
confusing,
if,
if
there's
an
agenda
item
for
arts
in
arts,
parks
and
recreation
on
a
regular
basis,
but
they
do
the
arts,
commission
does
art
stuff,
so
it
seems
like
they
could
be
across
purposes
or
maybe
even
duplicate.
You
know
efforts
if
they're
not
a
communicating
and
if
both
of
them
are
doing
arcs.
I
K
I
may
respond
to
the
members,
so
the
currently
the
name
is
the
recreation
advisory
board
and
the
municipal
arts,
commission.
So
there's
no
confusion.
I
don't
think
there.
I
think
the
confusion
comes
in
if
you
call
it
the
arts,
parks
and
recreation
advisory
board
and
missile
arts
commission,
but
in
our
city
code
it's
called
the
recreation
advisory
advisory
board.
R-A-B.
I
J
J
All
those
comments
and
recognize
it
yeah
there
clearly
are
some
opportunities
to
provide
clarification,
even
if
it's
only
in
establishing
whether
or
not
this
recreation
advisory
board
should
continue
to
have
arts
items
on
the
agenda.
Questions
from
other
council
members
before
we
go
to
the
audience.
So
what
is
the
department
called.
E
Arts
parks
and
of
recreation-
okay,
so
that
I
guess
they're
in
lies
of
confusion,
because
we
have
this
the
umbrella
for
the
department
yeah
and
with
under
that
umbrella.
We
have
two
people
standing
trying
to
stay
out
of
the
rain
two
different
committees,
because
I'm
looking
at
this
website
and
a
lay
person
not
being
privy
to
this
conversation
would
say
that
we
have
an
arts
parks
and
recreation
department
and
they
do
it
all.
E
T
Advisory
board,
I'm
I
would
go
back
to
saying
that
there
needs
to
be
a
quarterly
meeting
between
these
two
boards,
so
that
so
that,
if,
if
there
are
arts
related
items
that
are
on
the
rec
advisory
board's
agenda
without
amac,
knowing
what
arts
things
are
on
that
agenda,
you
know
that's
not
part
of
a
rec
advisory
board's
charge
as
an
advisory
board.
It's
that's!
That's
that's
in
the
art
world
both
can
coexist,
underneath
the
total
umbrella
of
arts,
parks
and
recreation
and
both
need
to.
T
But
again
I
would
say
that
one
things
I
would
bring
back
is
that
there
should
be
a
meeting
once
a
quarter.
That
is
with
both
both
entities
coming
together
and
informing
each
other.
J
Okay,
I
think
we
have
time
for
just
one
more
comment
from
council.
Then
we'll
move
to
the
audience.
Council
members,
millions.
I
Yeah,
I
it
seems
yes,
I
agree
with
you
mayor.
That
seems
great,
but
it
seems
as
though
some
things
might
come
up
that
why
not
copy
them.
If
it's
an
arts
thing
or
say,
hey,
we've
got
an
arts
thing,
that's
come
up,
you
know
here
you
come
to
this
meeting
or
we'll
copy
you
on
it.
I
mean
this
isn't
hard
it
just.
I
don't
know,
but
yeah
communication's
super
important.
That
doesn't
need
to
be
said
again,
but.
J
Thank
you,
we'll
switch
to
the
audience
and
if
you
could
come
to
the
podium
and
share
your
name
address
and
whether
or
not
you
represent
any
organizations,
hi.
N
N
Back
when
I
was
attempting
in
an
unofficial
capacity
to
liaison
between
the
bikeway
committee
and
the
parks
and
recreation
board,
there
was
no
communication
going
on,
so
I
started
attending
the
meetings
to
facilitate
that
and
since
then
there's
a
member
of
the
board.
That
is
also
a
member
of
the
advisory
board,
so
both
the
bikeway
committee,
which
is
a
county
level
organization,
and
then
this
organization
in
discussion
here
so
there's
cross
fertilization
automatically.
N
Now
because
we
have
a
member,
that's
a
member
of
both
organizations,
so
I
have
not
been
attending,
but
in
2018
I
believe
it
was.
There
was
an
attempt
to
do
what's
been
discussed
here.
Have
we
had
one
meeting
where
we
met
with
the
municipal
arts
commission
and
had
a
collaborative
meeting
discussed
about
what
things
were
working
on
at
arts
west?
It
was
a
great
meeting.
We
talked
about
doing
it
more
and
that
just
never
happened
somehow.
So
there
was
an
attempt
to
do
it.
N
I
think
it
was
a
good
start,
but
it
seems
like
it
would
be
advisable
to
pick
that
up
and
maybe
even
have
a
liaison
like
I
was
talking
about.
I
was
trying
to
do
to
increase
communication
between
the
bikeway
committee
and
the
parks
and
recreation
and
recreation
advisory
board
to
maybe
have
some
kind
of
cross-fertilization,
with
liaisons
attending
both
of
the
arts
and
the
recreation
advisory
board
meetings
to
to
sort
of
open
communication.
That
way
as
well.
So
just
some
suggestions
based
on
what
I've
seen
and
what
I
think
was
working
pretty
well.
J
X
X
I've
been
a
member
of
the
commission
for
11
years
and
unfortunately,
I
have
to
finally
cycle
off,
but
I
will
say
that
you
know
there's
a
lot
of
passion
here
about
the
the
role
that
the
arts
play
and
certainly
the
ordinance
that
the
mayor
was
speaking
of
that
0-46-02.
X
That
goes
back
to
2002
when
the
arts
commission
was
created.
That
is
prior
to
the
point
at
which
the
parks
and
recreation
advisory
board
that
it
was
it's
prior
to
the
point
in
which
the
arts
were
included.
In
that
title
and
to
reiterate
what
the
mayor
said,
of
course-
and
he
said
it
better
than
I
will,
but
the
purpose
of
that
was
to
help
because
we
have
arts
west
and
it
is
placed
within
the
parks
and
recreation
and
and
that's
a
good
place
for
it.
X
So
the
whole
reason
I
think
was
it
was
a
good
intention
by
design
to
make
it
arts
parks
and
rec,
and
I
think
a
lot
of
communities
probably
aspire
to
have
all
of
them
named
together,
but
I
do
think
that
there
is
a
a
concern
about
changing
the
name
of
the
advisory
board,
since
it
is
an
advisory
board.
Just
like
ours
is
an
advisory
board,
but
yet
we
are
a
commission
right.
X
I
think
that
I'm
not
quite
sure
why
there
hasn't
been,
but
I
will
say
that,
prior
to
the
point
at
which
the
name
became
the
arts,
parts
and
rec
department,
it
didn't
seem
like
there
was
a
necessarily
a
need
for
it.
So
this
is
kind
of
a
maybe
a
newer
need
within
the
last.
Is
it
been
maybe
four
years,
mr
mayor,
I
feel
like
about
that
long,
so
it
really.
X
I
think
too,
that
if
we,
if
we
put
those
names
together,
then
we
create
a
bit
more
confusion
and
I
do
have
concerns
while
on
the
one
hand
I
I
I
think
it's
a
great
thing
that
you
have
arts
on
your
agenda,
but
if
they're
regularly
appearing
on
the
agenda,
then
we
should
be
the
chair
and
myself
should
be
included
on
those
agenda
as
they
are
distributed,
so
that
we're
able
to
contribute
on
behalf
of
the
commission.
That
was,
you
know,
established
by
this
ordinance.
So.
Y
Y
We
believe
that
if
an
arts
is
added
to
a
different
advisory
board
that
we
should
have
been
at
least
communicated
to
and
had
a
discussion
about,
because
there
are
different
charges
and
duties
within
each
board
and
so
making
sure
that
we
delineate,
which
ones
are
doing
what
so
that
there's
not
a
whole
lot
of
it's
mine.
It's
mine,
it's
mine,
but
still
having
those
collaborations
and
those
abilities
to
communicate
so
quick
thing.
Y
When
so,
while
the
athens
municipal
arts,
commission,
we
make
recommendations
to
the
city
on
public
art
matters,
not
just
the
department,
but
we've
been
working
with
the
arts
west
and
its
program
specialists
since
2005
when
a
mac
was
a
partner
and
founder
of
arts
west.
So
most
recently,
with
the
help
of
the
new
arts
parks
and
recreation
director.
Catherine,
ann
jordan
and
the
arts
program
specialist,
emily
beveridge.
Y
We
have
recently
started
a
concert
series
called
third
thursday's
musical
parks,
which
I
realized
this
past
past
thursday,
that
that
was
also
the
recreation
advisory
board
meeting
day,
but
the
first
annual
event
kicked
off
that
this
past
thursday
at
the
pool
parking
lot,
and
it
was
a
testament
to
the
dedication
that
the
new
director,
as
well
as
the
program
specialist
and
aimac,
have
to
serving
their
community
through
the
arts.
So
with
that
said,
the
title
change
could
have
lasting
implications
on
the
athens
municipal
arts,
commission.
Y
The
arts
commission
is
celebrating
its
20-year
anniversary
this
year,
and
our
concern
is
that
a
newly
named
arts
parks
and
recreation
advisory
board
could
change
the
charge
of
each
entity
in
the
process
and
essentially
erase
the
accomplishments
that
amec
has
achieved
through
collaboration
with
the
apr
department
and
the
citizens
of
athens
for
two
decades.
We
believe
that
there
must
be
a
discussion
on
why
this
title
change
is
wanted
and
what
does
that
mean
for
its
original
charge
and
duties
and
what
implications
does
it
have
on
other
entities,
including
the
arts?
Commission?
Y
3.5
of
them
has
been
the
program
specialist
within
arts,
west
and
then
six
years
as
an
amac
commissioner,
and
now
the
chair.
I
know
the
relationship
has
not
been
the
best,
and
I
know
that
we
have
been
trying
to
work
on
it.
I
personally
have
tried
to
work
on
it,
but
because
of
the
pandemic
and
other
factors,
it
just
hasn't
come
into
fruition,
but
I
am
here
to
say
I
am
open
to
those
communication
lines.
I
love
the
idea
of
a
quarterly.
I
wanted
to
do
that.
It
just
didn't
happen.
So.
Thank
you
very
much.
J
I
think
we've
had
a
rich
conversation
and
I
would
be
remiss
if
I
didn't
take
the
time
to
thank
members
of
both
the
advisory
board
and
commission,
whose
work
shouldn't
be
at
all
negated
through
this
conversation,
which
I
think
is
really
just
meant
to
clarify
and
provide
opportunity
to
untie
some
confusion
that
has
been
explored
today.
So
as
far
as
future
directions.
J
I
one
question
I
am
left
with:
is
the
parks
part
it
seems
to
be
left
out
of
a
lot
of
the
conversation
where
we're
talking
about
arts
we're
talking
about
recreation?
So,
while
we
see
on
the
agenda,
recreation,
advisory
board,
retitled
arts
parks
and
recreation
advisory
report,
I
would
add
a
question
mark
to
that
as
far
as
what's
actually
happening,
not
to
be
said
that
that
is
what's
happening.
But
in
as
the
mayor
read
and
the
responsibilities
for
imac,
we
do
I'm
sorry
for
the
recreation
advisory
board.
J
We
do
have
parks
there
and
I'm
just
wondering
once
again
to
the
mayor
like.
If
we
do
a
title
change
at
all,
would
it
make
sense
to
go
to
parks
and
recreation
as
having
responsibility
for
those
areas
and
then
keep
arts
out
of
that,
and
then
recognizing
that
there
will
be
potentially
occasions
when
the
parks
and
recreation
advisory
board
might
have
an
arts
topic
that
they
wish
to
discuss
to
do
so
in
more
of
a
collaborative,
communicative
relationship
with
with
amac
mayor?
T
To
go
through
three
readings
being
introduced
tonight
to
to
change
a
title
if
it's
just
a
title
change
and
then
keep
it
in
alignment
with
what
the
mission
is
for
those
two
different
organizations.
I
mean
we're
not
talking
about
a
mac
here,
we're
talking
about
the
rec
advisory
board
to
include
parks.
J
And
to
council
member
swank,
who
is
a
representative
on
the
recreation
advisory
board?
I
do
think
it
is
important
that
we
move
forward
with
what
is
established
in
code
as
far
as
responsibilities.
J
That
said,
it
makes
sense
to
me
that
occasionally
arts
might
enter
the
conversation,
so
it
seems
like
it
shouldn't,
be
necessarily
an
expected
agenda
item
at
every
meeting,
but
that
when
we
do
want
to
see
the
recreation
or
parks
and
recreation
advisory
board,
as
it
could
be
named,
discuss
arts
that
we're
going
to
do
so
with
honoring
all
the
suggestions
coming,
whether
it's
quarterly
meetings
or
just
more
collaboration.
J
So
I
think
that's
enough
discussion
for
our
second
agenda
item
and
I
will
say
that
we
are
done.
A
A
Okay,
we
have
learned,
through
both
former
council
member
beth
claudefelter,
who
now
represents
senator
sherrod
brown's
office
and
also
through
mayor
patterson,
who
serves
as
president
of
the
mayor's
association
that
the
veterans
administration
is
proposing,
closing
the
chillicothe
veterans
clinic
and
that's
a
clinic
that
sees
approximately
20
000
vets
a
year
and
contributes
to
the
chillicothe's
local
economy
they
employ
over
1400
folks
in
that
community.
A
I
personally,
my
son
is
a
an
army
veteran
having
served
in
iraq
and
afghanistan.
He
lives
in
lancaster.
He
goes
to
chillicothe
and
to
suddenly
face
going
to
dayton
would
be
a
stressor,
and
you
know
there
are
many
who
need
those
services,
so
I
can
open
it
up
for
any
kind
of
comments.
Council,
member
swank
first
as.
E
I
said
in
a
email
conversation
I
had
with
the
mayor
thursday,
friday,
not
sure
which
day
it
was,
I
had
an
uncle
who
was
in
the
first
wave
of
d-day,
omaha
beach
somehow
survived,
but
when
he
came
back
to
the
united
states,
obviously
long
before
I
was
born,
my
father
tells
me
he
was
very
dependent
upon
services
such
as
the
veterans.
E
A
lot
of
our
veterans
today,
who
not
just
who
don't
necessarily
fight
in
combat,
have
lots
of
issues.
I'm
wearing
a
button
today
says
22
with
a
line
across
it.
That
represents
the
number
of
veterans
that
commit
suicide.
Every
day
of
the
year,
the
thought
of
making
people
drive
another
hour
and
a
half
or
two
hours
in
many
cases
not
being
able
to
drive
an
hour
and
a
half
for
two
hours
to
get
the
services
they
need
is
is
appalling.
E
It
it's
it's
unfathomable
and
in
the
conversation
the
mayor
I
had,
I
told
him
that
I
am
very
much
appreciative
of
this
and
he
suggested
something
I
think
you
called
it
block
signature
so,
rather
than
just
a
resolute
and
I'm
obviously
very
much
in
favor
of
passing
this
resolution
tonight.
E
If
we
could,
but
I
know
we
can't
not
only
passing
this
resolution,
but
rather
than
just
having
be
a
resolution
of
support
from
city
council
members
that
each
and
every
one
of
us,
if
we
feel
we
want
to
we'll
sign
that
in
that
block
and
submit
it
to
the
appropriate
authorities,
to
show
our
our
support
for
for
this
facility
that
it's
just
so
vital
to
so
many
people.
A
H
I
I
think,
would
be
reprehensible
and
I'm
strongly
opposed
to
the
closing
and
therefore
support
this.
Thank
you
for
bringing
it
mayor.
T
You
know
the
fact
that
mpp
mayor's
partnership
for
progress
represents
18
appalachian
counties,
that's
about
780,
000
people
and
if
you
were
to
apply
the
percentage
of
veterans
that
are
in
the
united
states,
which
is
about
seven
percent.
That
equates
to
over
54
000
veterans,
potentially
here
in
southeast
ohio
and
all
of
them.
You
know
I'm
talking
from
mix
county
to
lawrence
county,
you
know
and
everything
in
between
and
all
over
the
place
you
know
to
have
to
travel.
T
You
know
in
some
cases
three
and
a
half
hours
to
get
to
a
clinic
where
currently
it's
taking
them
an
hour
and
a
half
to
get
there
is
you
know,
no
pun
intended
it's
a
bridge
too
far
for
a
lot
of
these
veterans.
So
I
appreciate
council
looking
at
the
resolution
that
was
brought
forward
by
the
mayor's
partnership
for
progress
and
sent
on
to
the
appropriate
authorities.
So
I
appreciate
council
taking
this
up.
V
I
T
I
believe
a
lot
of
it
is
realignment.
You
know
when
they
did
a
lot
of
the
drawdown
from
military
installations.
You
know
years
ago
it
was
trying
to
strategically
place,
you
know
which,
which
posts
which
airfields
stay
open
and
which
ones
are
closed
down.
T
I
think
that
the
va
is
is
exploring
the
same
thing,
but
again
I
would
contend
the
impact
that
that's
going
to
have
on
an
area
of
the
state
that
you
know
already
has
our
own
set
of
challenges
when
it
comes
to
us
being
chronically
distressed
and
now
putting
the
burden
of
a
further
commute
literally
sitting
in
those
meetings
with
senator
brown
and
across
from
a
military
member
who
was
fearful
of
the
outcome
because
of
having
to
go
so
far.
T
T
You
know
there's
there's
people
outside
of
veterans
that
don't
like
driving
to
columbus
or
cincinnati
or
cleveland
or
dayton,
and
you
know
we
were
hearing
that
loud
and
clear
during
this
listening
tour
that
senator
brown
hosted
two
of
them.