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Athens City Council - January 10, 2022
A
Good
evening
and
welcome
to
athens
city
council,
it's
monday
january
10
2022
at
7
03
p.m.
Tonight
we
have
four
committee
meetings
we'll
lead
off
with
the
city
and
safety
services
committee
and
that's
chaired
by
council
member
mccary
joined
by
council
members,
grace
swank
and
crowl,
and
if
the
other
members
of
council
could
proceed
who
are
not
on
that
committee,
if
they
could
proceed
down
to
the
table,
that
will
help
us
with
the
discussion
and
differentiating
who's
on
the
committee
and
who's,
not.
A
C
Okay,
I
appreciate
it
councilman
kerry.
The
this
is
something
that
came
up
last
session
in
city
council
and,
ultimately,
I
think
there
were
several
questions
that
that
came
back
from
various
council
members
about
moving
forward
with
this
particular
initiative
and
what
this
is
is
to
rather
than
go
and
re-hire
a
chief
information
officer
and
a
system
administrator
instead
have
those
functions
that
previously
had
been
done.
In-House,
be
done
by
an
external
organization
and
the
organization
that
we
have
selected
and
received
a
proposal
from
is
a
company
called
bssi.
B
Thank
you
and
we'll
definitely
take
questions
and
comments,
but
I
was
hoping
you
could
start
us
out
by
highlighting
the
primary
concern
that
comes
up
when
this
type
of
outsourcing
comes
to
the
table.
When
it
comes
to
the
comfort
that
and
familiarity,
we
have
with
maintaining
infrastructure
right
in
place.
Yeah.
C
I.T
in,
in
particular,
is
that
the
technology
changes
extremely
fast
and
the
environment
changes
extremely
fast
hardware
becomes
obsolete
very
quickly
and
your
ability
to
maintain
the
expertise
necessary
while
maintaining
the
environment
with
with
in-house
employees
is
pretty
difficult.
So
the
structure
that
we've
we've
landed
on
ultimately
is
to
maintain
one
house
in
in-house
employee
who,
who
functionally
is
the
the
front
of
the
house.
C
You
know
the
the
face
so
when
it
comes
to
network
support
for
the
city,
and
then
he
has
in
his
in
his
back
well
behind
him
in
the
back
of
the
house.
Is
this
managed
services
company
that
ultimately
remotes
in
and
and
manages
the
environment?
The
the
city
has
a
series
of
servers
for
several
different
departments.
Our
entire
finance
system
is
is
managed
through
a
server
and
software
that
we
pay
a
third-party
company
to
to
for
for
the
licenses
and
then
to
keep
that
updated.
C
But
as
far
as
you
know,
managing
it's
living
on
our
network
managing
security
upgrades
and
such
that's,
something
that
that
we're
asking
bssi
to
do
same
with
the
police
department.
They
have
a
series
of
servers
that
has
evidence
from
you
know
the
last
30
years
that
sit
on
that
and-
and
you
know,
the
management
of
that
system
and
that
that
hardware
this
this
would
be
something
that
that
this
company
would
would
would
do.
D
C
Well,
if
you
had
to
select,
we
had,
you
know
functionally
what
we're
doing
is
taking
two
employees
and
then
we're
not
going
to
rehire
those
two
employee
positions:
they're
not
nobody's
losing
a
job
right
based
on
attrition
one
position.
We
were
never
able
to
fill
actually
and
then
the
other
position
is
someone
who
who
resigned
in
the
summer
time
and
moved
on.
You
know
two
ftes
at
the
level
that
we
were
paying
were
easily
160
thousand
dollars
when
you
take
all
in
with
with
the
benefits
that
that
and
salary
together,.
C
I
I
think
you
misunderstand:
the
one
on
staff
has
always
been
there
right,
so
the
160
thousand
dollar
number
that
I
quoted
was
for
two
employees,
the
the
other
two.
Basically,
that
no
longer
will
will
exist
and
and
so
we're
paying
about
eleven
thousand
dollars
a
month.
So
it
looks
like
132
for
this
managed
service.
Okay,.
C
Now,
as
we
need
to
do
different
things,
they
may
have
different
engineers
or
expertise
there
at
the
company
that
we
would
go
to
for
a
particular
thing,
but
it's
not
as
though
it'll
just
rotate,
and
this
is
a
company
where
all
the
personnel
you
know,
live
and
work
in
the
in
the
central
ohio
area.
So
it's
not.
You
know
an
ultimate
lancaster.
C
D
C
So
there's
not
a
bond
per
se,
but
there's
a
significant
amount
of
insurance.
So
when
I
think
about
bonds,
I
think
about
you
know
somebody
posting
a
bond.
You
know
along
the
lines
of
a
construction
project,
so
you
know
if
someone
you
know,
fails
to
do
a
construction
project,
we'll
go
and
seize
the
bond
and
use
that
money
to
go
and
finish
the
project.
That's
kind
of
the.
When
we
talk
about
bonding.
That's
that's
what
we
deal
with
most
often
in
this
particular
insurance
instance.
C
E
E
C
Yeah
one
of
the
things
we
talked
extensively
about
as
we
were
landing
on
the
on
the
proposal
for
managed
services
was,
you
know
we
can't
move
everything
to
the
to
the
latest
and
greatest
version
of
software
or
version
of
hardware
at
the
same
time,
so
by
necessity,
and
just
because
we
just
don't
have
infinite
money
to
spend
on
it,
we
have
to
make
decisions.
Just
like
we
prioritize.
C
You
know
everything
from
what
streets
to
pay
to
you
know
when
we
need
to
to
acquire
a
new
vehicle
to
you
know,
respond
to
fire
runs.
We
prioritize
on
it
software
and
hardware,
and
there
are
instances
where
we're
going
to
have
to
continue
to
run
legacy
systems
and
and
bssi
is
going
to
have
to
maintain
those
legacy
systems
with
patches
and
such
now.
C
It's
a
low
risk
from
an
external
security
threat,
for
instance,
and
so
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
make
a
decision
a
definitive
decision
that
we're
going
to
keep
this
particular
piece
of
hardware
or
this
software
running.
But
you
know
that's
an
eyes
wide
open.
You
know
setting
basically
with
between
bssi
and
us,
so
you
know
we're
prepared
to
deal
with
that.
E
I
believe
there's
some
language
in
the
agreement
or
the
proposed
agreement,
where
they
mandate
that
certain
things
have
to
be
the
the
most
recent
in
order
to
be
the
most
secure.
So
we'll
have
to
work
on
that
language.
Obviously,
because
there
will
be,
there
will
be
certain
cases,
at
least
for
a
while,
where
we
can't.
C
Well-
and
it
is
true
when
they
accept
full
responsibility
for
the
security
of
such
things,
but
if
we
say-
and
this
is
something
that
that
that
you
know
resides
elsewhere
in
that
document,
you
know
we
say
we
can't
yeah
when
we
can't,
because
we
can't
afford
to
move
to
this
particular
piece
of
hardware
at
this
time.
So
you
know
it's
understood
and
I
understand
where
they're
coming
from.
E
E
G
G
But
I
think
that
we
should
all
go
into
this
eyes
wide
open
that
this
is.
This
is
not
a
one
price
covers
all
it
expenses
for
the
city.
It's
it's
not
going
to
necessarily
be
the
end
of
the
need
for
financial
expenditures
to
to
maintain-
and
I
think
that's
probably
to
be
expected
in
this
era.
We
are
so
reliant
on
on
our
technology,
but
I
just
I
think
that
it's
it's
important
that
we're
all
clear
that
this.
G
H
Councilmember
grace,
I'm
glad
you
brought
that
up,
because
I'll
give
you
an
example
too,
when
you
said
eyes
need
to
be
wide
open
in
terms
of
us.
You
know
possibly
likely
having
to
replace
things
that
you
know
when
the
time
comes,
since
technology
is
spinning
so
quickly
that
we
do
find
a
replacement
for
one
of
our
legacy.
H
You
know
hardware,
software
products
that
we
use,
that
you
know
there's
likely
to
be
a
cost
to
to
onboard
that
new
system.
Whatever
that
system
is,
you
know,
servers
are
finicky
and
you
know
servers
are
expensive.
So
again,
you
know
there
could
be
a
sundry
of
different
things
as
we're
looking
forward.
But
again
I
appreciate
your
comment
that
you
know
we
have
to
be
cognizant
of
that.
B
C
So,
to
be
clear,
this
particular
endeavor
is
is
for
the
for
the
management
of
our
environment.
You
know
I'm
not
buying
or
we
are
not
buying
space
on
a
on
a
cloud
server
somewhere.
You
know
we're
having
you
know
basically,
rather
than
have
two
people
sitting
and
sitting
in
here,
you
know
running
the
environment,
we're
having
two.
You
know
an
entity
over
here
that
is
remoting
and
managing
the
environment.
You
know,
should
we
go
and
move
particular
data
into
a
cloud
setting.
C
We
could
certainly
always
go
back
and
and
you'll
buy
server
space
and
put
it
in
internal
in
in-house
and
then
say:
okay,
we're
gonna,
bring
that
data
in
in
most
cases,
I'd
probably
advise
against
it
for
a
couple
different
reasons:
number
one.
You
know,
especially
if
it's
an
extremely
data
intensive
thing
where
there's
a
significant
public
records
aspect
of
that
you
know,
and
the
one
that
comes
to
mind
from
the
very
get-go
is
is,
is
body
worn
cameras
from
the
police
department?
C
You
know
one
of
the
reasons
we
made
a
decision
to
go
from
the
beginning
to
cloud
storage
with
the
data
from
bodybuilding
cameras
is
because
some
of
the
experiences
with
you
know
some
larger
communities
that
went
to
and
adopted
body-worn
cameras
earlier
and
had
their
own
servers
internal
where
they
they
had.
That
is
very,
very
quickly.
Those
filled
up
and
their
ability
to
to
continue
to
maintain
the
the
tremendous
amount
of
data
that's
required
to
be
held
because
of
public
records
laws.
C
They
just
simply
couldn't
couldn't
do
it
and-
and
you
know,
found
themselves
having
significant
capital
expenses
to
be
able
to
do
that
and
to
manage
it.
So
when
we
went
with
body
worn
cameras,
we
we
went
with
a
company
that
from
the
get-go
you
know,
you
know
this
cloud
storage,
so
I
would
never
recommend
that
yeah.
You
know
what
hey
guys
send
us
all
our
data
from
the
bodywork
cameras
and
we're
going
to
we're
going
to
store
internal.
C
E
I
think
we
collectively
admitted
that
we
weren't
I.t
experts-
and
maybe
this
was
I
wasn't
at
the
meeting
on
friday
and
maybe
bringing
in
this
third
party
was
trying
to
have
that
expert
at
the
table.
We
did
talk
about
having
our
former
cio
kind
of
chime
in
on
this.
Did
we
did
we
contact
him
or
go
that
route
or
we
decided.
C
C
H
To
council
member
crawls
question
I
it
would
have
been
nice
had
you
the
the
time
or
the
ability
to
attend
that
meeting
on
friday.
I
know
mr
mccullough,
I
know
him
through
the
intelligent
communities
forum
and
he
is
quite
the
expert
when
it
comes
to
I.t,
having
served
as
the
cio
for
the
city
of
dublin,
but
also
like,
I
said
my
engagements
with
him
over
the
past
six
years.
C
Yes,
absolutely
that's
100
included
in
the
in
the
nature
of
the
contract.
In
fact,
the
sourcing
of
both
hardware
and
software
and
and
the
setup
like
the
imaging
of
new
machines
is
part
of
this
contract
and
such
when
it
comes
in
advice
on.
Should
we
decide
like
if
there's
a
piece
of
software
that
we
think
might
be,
might
further
city
operations.
C
You
know
we
would,
we
would
run
through
them
and
if
they
said
yeah,
that's
that's
something
we
recommend
or
no
we
don't
recommend
it,
but
you
know
really
they're
tailoring
their
managed
services
contract
based
upon
the
software
that
we
already
operate,
and
you
know
and
unders
they're
not
going
to
tell
us
what
to
do.
If
we
say
this
is
something
we
want.
You
know
a
great
example
of
cmi.
C
You
know
we're
we're
committed
to
cmi
for
our
finance
software.
It's
a
it's
a
it's
a
a
program
that
we've
used
for
a
very
very
long
time,
and
you
know
they
fully
expect
to
support
our
continued
use
of
that
as
our
as
our
accounting
and
utilities,
billing
and
software
that
we
use,
and
so
you
know
they
would
never
go
and
say
well,
no,
we
don't
think
you
should
do
that.
You
should
do
something
else.
You
know
they're
gonna
go
with
with
what
we're
most
comfortable
with.
G
Just
to
remember
spielness's
comment:
the
sort
of
under
the
minimum
requirements
of
the
statement
of
work.
It's
things
such
as
like
server
hardware,
must
be
under
current
warranty
coverage
and
they
have
specific
minimum
requirements
that
our
equipment
and
software
have
to
meet
in
order
for
them
to
sort
of
take
on
this
project,
and
that's
one
area
where
I
anticipate
that
the
city
will
have
some
additional
expenses
just
in
order
to
get
our
equipment
up
to
their
minimum
requirements.
G
J
Usually
a
you
know,
a
software
warranty
is
only
going
to
last,
maybe
12
months
at
best.
We
then
be
required
to
somehow
I'm
going
to
do
extended,
warranties
if
we
didn't
want
to
replace
that
software
or
somehow
some
mechanism
that
keeps
the
warranty
up
to
date,
even
though
it's
not
the
newest
software.
K
G
Not
software,
but
I
I
do
recall
from
our
previous
meeting
that
I
asked
how
many
of
our
servers
are
currently
under
warranty
coverage.
I
have,
and
I
don't
believe
we've
received
an
answer
to
that,
because
if
none
of
our
existing
servers
meet
that,
how
would
we
obtain
that?
I
don't
know
that
we
would
have
the.
F
L
C
Yeah
so
part
of
that
will
be,
you
know,
she's
down
on
the
onboarding
process.
You
know,
ultimately
to
the
point
about
software.
Warranties
I
mean
gone
are
the
days
where
you
buy
a
software,
you
installing
the
machine
and
you
no
longer
have
any
contact
with
the
company.
So
I
mean,
I
think,
every
piece
of
software
that
we
run
internal
to
the
city,
there's
an
ongoing
relationship
with
with
that
company.
I
think
probably
one
of
the
decisions
was
to
make
you
know
you
know
relatively
soon.
B
C
Try
to
go
faster
in
2007,
we
really
the
mid-2000s.
We
were
notified
by
gte
at
the
time
that
the
t1
lines
that
interconnected
our
various
city
buildings
were
no
longer
going
to
be
maintained,
and
so
we
made
a
decision
in
the
in
the
in
the
mid
2000s
that
we
had
to
do
something
to
recreate
and
reconstruct
the
network
that
interconnects,
the
very
the
15
or
so
various
city
buildings
around
the
city
and
the
decision
that
we
made
at
that
time
was
to
install
a
microwave
point-to-point
system.
C
So
we
now
have
all
of
our
buildings
connected
save
one,
and
I
can
get
into
the
specifics
of
the
network
at
some
point.
You
know
in
in
a
in
a
different
session,
but
with
a
point-to-point
microwave
system
that
microwave
system
is
reaching
the
end
of
its
useful
life,
and
we've
identified
a
a
way
to
basically
interconnect
these
buildings
with
fiber
in
the
ground,
as
opposed
to
to
replace
this
microwave
point-to-point
microwave
system.
C
You
know
we
can
certainly
mothball
that
system
and
keep
it
for
other
uses,
but
having
this
fiber
in
the
ground
is
something
that
that
will
be
very
beneficial
to
the
city.
In
in
keeping
our
buildings
all
connected
the
ability
to
then
leverage
that
fiber
in
the
ground
for
other
purposes,
you
know
for
what
what
may
come.
C
You
know
whether
it
be
economic
development
or
something
else
is
something
that
we
would
we
would
consider,
and
so
what
we're
going
to
ask
would
be
to
do
an
appropriation
of
the
500
000
in
arpa
funds
towards
the
first
few
phases
of
that
of
that
project.
To
start
to
start
putting
fiber
into
a
lot
of
the
conduit
that
we
already
have
from
previous
construction
projects,
as
well
as
putting
in
conduit
in
a
few
places
that
it
currently
doesn't
exist.
C
I
I
see
this
being
about
a
five-year
endeavor
honestly.
This
is
not
something
that
we
can
do
overnight.
You
know
I
have
it
right
now
broken
into
about
six
phases,
and
that's
just
you
know,
based
on
what
I
think
is
the
the
priorities.
We
may
find
that
once
we
get
a
a
company
in
here,
that's
capable
of
doing
such
installs
that
they
think
they
can
go
faster
than
that.
I'm
certainly
hopeful
along
those
lines.
But
you
know
it's
not
something
that
I'm
used
to
doing
it's
kind
of
a
specialized
thing.
B
G
Just
a
quick
comment-
and
this
is
something
that
we
have
discussed
here
in
council
a
few
different
times-
and
I'm
fully
in
support
of
using
our
arpa
funds
to
upgrade
to
something
that
will
not
only
make
the
city
more
sustainable
going
into
future.
But
it
will
also
provide
opportunities
for
businesses
and
and
community
members
to
network
eventually.
C
C
H
You
know
to
add
to
that.
You
know
one
of
the
things
that
we
have
in
our
favor
with
this
arpa
money
is
that
we've
got
four
years
in
which
to
expense
the
arpa
money,
so
that'll
get
us
four
years
in.
I
agree
with
director
stone.
You
know
some
of
the
things
that
are
on
that
phase
list
are
replacing
a
lot
of
our
surveillance
cameras,
in
particular
at
the
richmond
avenue,
roundabout
and
on
court
street,
where
we
have,
you
know,
questionable
cameras.
H
I
think
that
that's
the
right
approach
to
take
is
to
phase
us
across
time
and
have
some
real
wins
right
off
the
bat.
You
know
the
city's
been
intentional
thanks
to
director
stone
and
others
that,
with
every
major
street
project,
you
know
we
were
able
to
put
conduit
in
the
ground,
which
is
you
know
ultimately
again
to
to
director
stone's
answer
of
not
knowing
exactly
what
you
know.
H
It's
and
50
cents
per
linear
foot
to
to
bore
underground
or
to
trench
and
with
a
lot
of
the
vibe,
the
conduit
that
we
currently
have
that
hasn't
been
threaded
with
anything,
yet
that
that
really
is
going
to
be
helpful
in
this
endeavor
to
fiberize
the
city
buildings,
but
also
provide
public
service
with
with
some
of
the
other
amenities.
And
you
know,
security
cameras
on
court
street.
H
You
know
in
particular,
I
think
you
know
have
been
a
high
priority
for
me
as
we
look
forward
and
they
fit
that
fits
within
this
phased
approach
of
having
fiber
up
and
down
our
major
conduit
corridors
as
well,
as
you
know,
think
about
it.
The
resilience
of
the
buildings
themselves
of
just
having
something
where
we're
not
having
to
rely
on
this
failing
aging,
I
should
say
aging
microwave
system,
that,
on
a
you
know,
it's
wonderful
being
a
tree
city,
usa,
unless
you're
a
microwave
shot,
so
that
has
certainly
presented
challenges
with
our
microwave
shots.
H
D
H
We
will
receive
two
tranches.
We
received
the
first
ranch
back
in
july,
I
believe,
july
or
august,
and
that
was
approximately
1.27
million
dollars
and
we'll
receive
the
second
tranche
of
our
arpa
allocation
same
time
this
year.
So
somewhere
in
the
the
summertime
july
august
time
frame
will
receive
the
second
tranche
and,
as
I
indicated,
we
have
four
years
in
which
to
expense
our
arpa
money.
H
You
know
we
set
this
up
a
long
time
ago,
with
the
cares
act,
funding
that
we
received,
which
was
approximately
1.5
million
to
where
all
expenditures
associated
with
you
know
the
the
coronavirus
funding
that
we
receive
goes
before
council
for
authorization
as
we
we
move
forward
and
that's
an
accountancy,
a
good
accountancy
pro
practice
as
a
community
to
where
it
goes
through.
Council
do.
D
H
E
H
H
So
you
know
this
is
purely
a
guess.
Remember:
crawl
in
terms
of
the
amount,
but
I
I
did
share
the
mileage
of
the
miles
of
conduit,
which
includes
the
most
recent.
Well,
nearly
the
most
recent
ad,
which
is
the
conduit
that
runs
basically
from
west
state
street
ball
fields
all
the
way
to
the
stimpson
avenue
roundabout.
H
If
we
choose
to
so
again
that
falls
back
into
director
stone's
comment
about
phasing
it.
You
know
as
we
as
we
start
migrating
through
and
and
threading
the
fiber
and
getting
things
set
up.
We
may
see
that
we
have
some
other
opportunities
or
we
may
have
some
other
isps
that
come
to
us
and
say
hey,
you
know,
what's
the
possibility
of
of
jumping
on
your
fiber
or
you
know,
there's
a
there's,
a
multitude
of
things
that
could
happen
you
know
could.
E
C
Ultimate
goals
down
the
future
to
be
able
to
you
know,
provide
space
where
we
can
leverage
it
for
economic
development.
You
know
the
sky's
the
limit
ultimately,
but
to
be
able
to
connect
our
buildings.
I
think
we
have
contoured
to
about
75
percent
of
the
buildings
that
we
need
to
entertain.
Thank
you.
B
Okay,
so
we
are
still
taking
questions
about
this
potential
allocation
of
arpa
american
rescue
plan
funds
for
the
fiber.
Anyone
from
who's,
not
on
the
committee
council
members,
questions
comments
and
from
the
audience.
Okay,
we
will.
Oh,
yes,
do
you
need
to.
I
need
to
invite
you
to
approach
the
podium
for
formal
documentation
of
your
presence
here
and,
if
you
wouldn't
mind,
please
sharing
your
name
in
your
local
address.
F
B
C
C
You
know
the
state
legislature
has
made
it
very,
very
difficult
for
municipalities
or
local
governments
to
be
an
internet
service
provider.
That's
just
not
something
that
ohio
has
has
made
easy
to
do
as
far
as
sharing
space
on
the
fiverr
with
multiple
internet
service
providers
such
that
competition
increased
beyond
the
kind
of
monopoly
that
comes
with
a
lot
of
small
communities
with
one
provider
or
another.
That
is
something
that
that
I
could
see,
probably
in
in
several
years,
from
now
happening.
B
You
for
that
question,
absolutely
all
right.
We
need
to
move
to
our
third
agenda
item,
which
I
think
will
be
a
little
more
succinct
because
we've
done
this
regularly.
This
is
an
intra
county,
mutual
aid
agreement
with
the
athens
county
sheriff's
office,
and
it's
our
understanding
that
we
enter
these
kinds
of
agreements
for
law
enforcement
to
provide
assistance
when
needed.
And
I
wonder
if
we
have
just
a
few
remarks
from
director
stone.
C
Sure
the
sheriff's
department
approached
the
city
several
years
ago
and
at
that
time
it
didn't
move.
In
the
meantime,
the
police
chief
has
looked
at
it.
The
the
sheriff's
department
reached
out
here
recently
and
said:
hey,
would
you
would
you
consider
this
again
and
ultimately,
you
know
for
us
to
go
outside
of
the
city
limits
and
support
the
sheriff's
department
this?
This
lays
out
kind
of
the
you
know,
roles
and
responsibilities
of
east
agency
when
our
law
enforcement
officers
would
go
outside
of
the
city
limits
to
support
the
sheriff's
department
in
a
situation.
C
B
C
D
C
We
actually
don't
hire
the
sheriff's
department
they
they
provide
for
the
support
that
they
provide.
It's
it's.
You
know
as
a
county
as
part
of
the
count
athens
county.
You
know
we
pay
taxes
and
then
those
taxes
pay
for
the
sheriff's
department
and
what
the
sheriff's
department
can
spare
during
that
weekend.
They
provide
to
us
just
because
of
their
law
enforcement
role
for
athens
county.
We
have
historically
hired
off-duty
officers
from
agencies
outside
that
we
didn't
have
a
mutual
aid
agreement,
particularly
in
specialized
needs.
C
So
like
the
the
one
that
comes
to
mind
specifically,
is
mounted
and
we'll
pay.
You
know
a
rate
associated
with
mounted
forces
to
come
in,
but
in
many
cases
the
the
support
that
we
get
from
either
the
county
or
the
state
comes
because
we
already
pay
those
taxes
to
pay
for
that
law
enforcement
service.
So,
for
instance,
all
the
highway
patrol
special
response
team
that
comes
that's
not
a
cost
born
by
the
city
when
they
come
in.
G
B
B
Yes,
thank
you
for
that
detail.
Other
questions
from
council
or
committee
members,
additional
council
members
and
questions
from
the
audience
on
this
item:
mutual
aid
agreement:
okay,
we'll
move
to
our
fourth
item:
we've
heard
about
our
athens
fire
department
headquarters
and
its
need
for
ongoing
repairs.
We
have
identified
an
additional
need
that
would
call
for
us
to
amend
0-8421.
C
You
know
previously
we
put
money
in
place
to
do
an
emergency
repair
to
the
current
headquarters.
Building,
as
the
contractor
has
gotten
in
and
and
started
doing
that
work,
they
found
more
failing
components
and
identified
an
additional
beam
and
column
that
needs
to
be
installed
right
now,
we've
identified
an
additional
six
thousand
dollars
in
cost
and
that's
actually
reflected
later
on
with
an
appropriation
under
finance
and
personnel
requests
into
the
tc500s
of
the
general
fund
fire
department
tc500s.
C
This
will
push
me
above
fifty
thousand
dollars,
which
requires
council
authorization
for
an
expenditure,
and
so
this
amendment
authorizes
the
service
safety
director
to
to
expend
more
money.
In
order
to
do
these
repairs
and-
and
I
wish
I
could
tell
you
that
the
6000
is
definitively
going
to
do
it-
and
we're
not
going
to
have
any
other
structural
issues
after
that.
But
my
fear
is
that
you
know
it's
one
of
those
things
that,
as
you
get
into
it,
you
find
more
and
more
and
more
problems.
B
D
C
It's
not
a
function
of
cash,
it's
a
function
of
availability
of
steel
and
the
speed
that
the
contractor
can
move
now.
Goodin
builders
is
the
one
that
is
doing
the
work
and
they
are
on
site
working.
So
it's
not
as
though
we're
waiting
for
them.
I
don't
have
an
answer
to
say:
you
know
they
can
they
can
source
that
steel
and
then
get
that
work
done.
You
know,
I.
I
see
this
work
completing
within
the
next
month.
C
C
Well,
in
the
process
of
other
repairs,
ultimately
you
get
up
under
there
and
you
start
removing
concrete
and
start
replacing
the
steel
and-
and
you
know
more
stuff
falls
out,
and
they
you
know
that
you
know
you've
seen
the
video
that
you
know
when
it
moves
and
and
and
so
right
now,
we've
got
a
section
of
the
ramp
where
we're
not
moving
apparatus
across.
You
know
we
kind
of
got
that
blocked
off
and
from
a
fire
response
perspective
we're
still.
C
Okay,
we
do
have
some
contingency
plans
right
now
that
I'm
working
with
the
chief
on
either
lease
or
borrowing
of
indoor
storage
space
for
apparatus.
That
is
not
that's
not
run
as
frequently.
If
that
particular
apparatus
was
necessary
for
a
response
that
would
decrease
our
risk
or
increase
our
response
time.
The
thing
that
comes
to
mind
is
the
heavy
rescue
truck
that
we
have
in
there.
That's
got
a
lot
of
the
structural
collapse
equipment
on
it.
That's
something
that
we
don't
use
very
frequently,
but
if
you
need
it,
you
need
it.
C
It
sits
in
the
headquarters
right
now,
it's
a
very
heavy
truck.
You
know
it
may
be
that
we
pull
that
out
and
stick
that
into
a
you
know:
storage,
somewhere
else.
If
it
gets
to
the
point
that
you
know
a
portion
of
that
ramp
is
it's
just
not
safe
to
drive
across,
but
I'd
like
to
think
that
we
can
get
this
repair
done
quickly.
Thank.
D
C
D
K
C
B
C
We
have
mccall
architects,
which
is
the
the
primary
consultant
and
then
there's
a
sub-consultant
engineering
firm,
that's
working
for
them
as
well
wooper,
but
ultimately,
mccall
is
the
company
that
we
we've
hired
to
do
the
design,
and
this
is
the
stage
one
design
services.
We
started
with
thirty
thousand
dollars
out
of
2021's
budget
to
get
them
moving.
C
B
C
B
C
Well,
I
mean
the
footprint
of
the
of
the
project
is
part
of
it
understanding
kind
of
what
it's
going
to
look
like
and
ideas
of
what
it
could
look
like
the
space
needs,
as
well
as
amenities
that
would
be
above
and
beyond
the
needs
of
just
for
the
fire
fire
personnel
and
the
fire
apparatus.
So
you
know
what
aspects
of
the
project
could
provide
a
an
amenity
to
the
community
that
could
really
make
it
a
true
community
asset
and
not
just
a
cloistered
public
safety
building.
H
E
E
We
did
have
a
third
ward,
citizen,
email,
all
city
council,
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
everybody,
ms
mccosker,
provided
a
lot
of
very
helpful
links
in
there,
and
so,
if
you
take
a
special
close
look
at
that
and
in
terms
of
community
health
and
climate
adaptation,
I
certainly
would
appreciate
it,
and
I
know
this-
this
project
is
sort
of
between
ward
4
and
ward
3
and
there's
a
lot
of
people
that
are
impacted
by
it.
So
I
just
wanted
to
acknowledge
that
communication.
Thank
you.
Mccary.
B
D
Question
from
ward
4.,
since
we
have
this
meeting
next
wednesday,
that's
close
10
days
9
days.
Do
we
have
at
this
point
in
time
any
kind
of
a
diagram,
because
one
of
the
things
that's
popping
up
in
terms
of
the
discussion
about
this
is
where
it's
going
to
be
specifically
on
that
property
and
how
much
space
it's
going
to
take
up.
Do
we
have
anywhere?
C
There
is
a
there
are
visual
aids
that
we
will
use
at
the
meeting
that
will
be
prepared
within
the
next
week.
Okay,
macau.
Architects
is
putting
those
together
right
now.
You
know
one
of
the
things
that
you
know.
We
looked
at
a
20,
000
square
foot
facility.
You
know
as
a
plus
or
minus
as
far
as
the
the
amount
of
space
necessary
to
carry
the
apparatus
and
then
there's
a
second
story
for
for
sleeping
quarters
and
such
is
there
a
poll.
H
C
So
the
the
and
then
you
have
the
space
outside
to
be
able
to.
You
know:
maneuver
the
the
vehicles,
and
so
you
know
a
footprint
of
what
a
20
000
square
foot
facility,
plus
the
external
space
to
be
able
to
to
move
apparatus
outside
and-
and
you
know,
employee
parking
area
and
that
sort
of
thing
will
it
won't
be
the
design.
C
But
it
would
be
a
a
template
of
what
how
much
that
would
look
like
and
it
will
be
able
to
be
plopped
down
on
an
aerial
photo
to
show
you
know
kind
of
where
that
would
sit.
I
think
some
of
the
misinformation
to
your
to
your
point
is
that
it's
gonna
consume
all
of
the
space
there
in
that
in
that
green
area
there
off
of
stimson
avenue-
and
that's
just
not
the
case
I
mean
really.
C
This
is
going
to
be
snugged
up
against
simpson
avenue
for
the
for
the
need
and
we
wanted
to
because
the
the
purpose
of
choosing
that
location
is
access
to
simpson
avenue
and
access
to
the
us,
33
and
50
interchange,
that's
nearby,
so
that
we
can
provide
the
fastest
response
to
the
most
portions
of
the
city
possible.
I
mean
that's.
That
is
the
number
one
reason
by
and
large
that
that
location
is
selected
is
because
of
ability
to
to
reach
the
city.
C
I
mean,
if
you're,
going
to
have
one
fire
headquarters
and
that's
what
you
have
we
can't
afford
to
have
you
know
three
or
four
or
five
different
fire
stations
around
the
city
and
man
them.
You
got
to
have
one
main
one
that
can
reach
the
majority
of
the
city
in
the
fastest
time
and
that's
the
reason
for
selecting
that
site.
C
A
B
A
President
nicely
just
to
put
this
in
a
larger
perspective,
so
we
passed
the
resolution
and
the
ordinance
in
december
and
that
then
sends
that
information
from
those
ordinances
on
the
wording
on
the
levy
to
the
board
of
elections
and
that's
under
review
by
the
board
of
elections.
Now
we're
going
through
this
design
phase
and
the
public
hearing
and
getting
public
response
to
it
and
then
what
would
happen
is
that
it
would
be.
It
will
be
placed
on
the
may
ballot
for
citizens
just
to
decide
on
the
levy.
B
C
I
mean
the
the
levy
is
whether
or
not
we're
going
to
have
enough
money
to
be
able
to
build
it.
It's
not
a
levy
about
spot.
If
levy
fails,
I
mean
I'll,
be
brutally
honest.
I
I
don't
know
what
we're
gonna
do
we
will
we
will
go
to
a
you
know,
we'll,
probably
have
to
go
and
find
some
sort
of
leased
space
to
hold
the
fire
apparatus
and
we're
gonna
have
a
a
challenge.
G
C
Be
a
second
public
meeting
in
the
end
of
march
as
well.
So,
basically,
the
idea
is
to
take
feedback.
You
know
ideas
on
amenities
concerns
into
consideration,
try
to
go
back,
do
more
conceptual
design
and
have
a
real
good.
You
know.
Second,
second,
second,
look
basically
by
members
of
the
public,
so
they
can
see.
You
know
what
the
architects
have
done
at
the
end
of
march.
H
You
know
just
to
share
an
example
that
some
of
you
were
on
council
at
the
time
when
we
had
the
multiple
open
houses.
You
know
public
hearings,
there
were
open
houses
really
when
we
were
looking
at
the
design
for
the
richland
avenue
pedestrian
passageway
as
well
to
where
the
citizens
were
able
to
weigh
in
on
on
a
multitude
of
things,
to
include
some
of
the
aesthetics
which
was
kind
of
an
interesting
process
as
well.
H
If
someone
were
to
ask
us,
as
elected
officials,
we
can
certainly
say
you
know
whether
to
vote
for
it
or
not.
But
when
it
comes
to
the
city
employees
to
include
the
fire
chief
or
any
firefighters,
they
need
to
remain.
You
know
silent,
basically
on
whether
or
not
to
vote
for
this
particular
levy.
So
just
it's
an
educational
moment
for
everybody.
B
Thank
you,
and
I
know
community
members
have
appreciated,
frequently
asked
questions,
documents
and
resources
in
the
past
on
similar
issues.
Is
that
something
we
would
be
able
to
create,
based
on
some
of
the
questions
that
come
up
during
the
open
houses?
Absolutely
excellent
thanks
questions
from
other
council
members
questions
from
the
audience.
B
M
B
C
Probably,
if
you
know,
if
I
had
to
pick
a
third
location,
it
would
be
in
the
west
northwest
portion
of
the
city.
You
know
there
is
a
railroad
track
across
682
that
divides
the
community.
Now,
there's
not
that
many
people
north
of
those
railroad
tracks,
but
when
you
look
at
communities
and
how
they
lay
out
fire
stations
and
they
look
at
response
time
and
and
really
the
the
area
north
of
those
railroad
tracks
university
states,
the
new
development
that's
going
to
take
place
on
the
other
side
of
682.
C
C
C
If
you
kind
of
go
back
in
history
as
to
why
there's
a
station
down
there,
I
mean
there
used
to
be
a
railroad
that
cut
the
city
right
in
half
and
so
having
a
a
station
on
the
south
side
of
the
city
and
a
station
on
the
north
side
of
the
city
made
a
lot
of
sense.
That
railroad
doesn't
exist
anymore.
However,
there
is
a
river
from
time
to
time.
The
river
does
set
flood,
so
there
is
value
in
having
that
station
two
down
there
on
the
south
side,
so
really
looking
at
coverage.
C
That
would
be.
That
would
be
one
direction
that
kind
of
northwest
area.
I
don't
see
us
growing
any
further
to
the
east,
but
simply
because
we're
getting
downstream
of
our
wastewater
plant
a
lot
there's
a
lot
of
flood
plain.
You
know
further
further
further
east,
but
I
don't
want
to
speak.
You
know
too
much
more
about
what
growth
would
look
like.
B
C
C
Basically,
it's
it's
built
off-site
and
then
brought
in,
and
then
you
know,
probably
an
extra
70,
000
or
so
for
site
prep,
and
you
know
final
installation
and
connection.
It
sounds
like
a
lot
for
a
restroom
and
I
thought
it
was
a
lot
for
a
restroom,
but
when
you
look
at
the
costs
of
some
of
the
public
facilities
that
have
gone
recently
in
this
area,
particularly
the
baileys
trails,
it's
really
not
out
of
line
and
you're
talking
about
commercial
grade
stuff.
You
know
this
isn't
a
you
know.
C
C
B
C
She's,
looked
at
right
now
and
has
gotten
estimated
is:
is
four
family
restrooms
that
are
large
enough,
for
you
know,
be
signed
as
such,
both
male
female
family,
gender,
gender-neutral
restrooms
with
individual
locks
on
them
large
enough
to
be
able
to
accommodate
wheelchairs,
and
you
know
to
meet
ada
requirements
as
well
as
all
of
them
to
have
urinals
in
them,
and
the
reason
for
that
is
for
cleanliness.
You
know
we
see
that
as
something
that
will
really
cut
down
on
on
filth,
ultimately
by
having
those
included.
D
C
H
Currently
sandlot,
as
a
lot
of
you
know,
you
know
they
have.
You
know
porta
john's
portlets,
that
that
are
sitting
in
the
parking
lot.
This
will
be
a
much
more
centralized
location,
it'll
be
right
behind
fenway
park,
but
you
know,
as
we've
explored
this,
you
know
for
for
years.
You
know
it
was
knowing
full
well
that
the
volume
of
attendees
during
sand
lot
and
other
events-
and
hopefully
you
know
we
will
at
some
point
in
the
future.
H
Have
you
know
other
sports
activities
taking
place
down
in
west
state
street
park
and
retain
the
current
bathroom
with
renovation
to
cater
more
to
the
dalton
field
and
east
portion
of
that
area?
And
then
these
new
restrooms
taking
up
the
basically
the
ball
fields,
the
shelter
house,
everything
else
that's
on
the
west
end
of
the
park.
D
So
second
question
deals
with
safety
and
security.
Will
the
restrooms
be
open
on
a
similar
time
schedule
to
what
we
have
down
at
the
soccer
fields
on
east
state
street?
We
generally
close
those
up
sometime
late
october
early
november,
and
then
the
second
part
is-
and
I
hate
to
say
this-
but
it's
a
reality.
Unfortunately,
with
park
restrooms,
what
kind
of
provisions
are
we
going
to
have
to
protect
these
so
that
they're
not
subject
to
damage
destruction
and
vandalism
after
hours.
C
Yeah,
that's
a
great
question.
I
mean,
ultimately,
you
can't
man,
the
restrooms,
so
we're
not
going
to
put
a
person
there
and
certainly
we're
not
going
to
put
cameras
inside
the
restrooms,
probably
cameras
in
the
external
area,
particularly
as
we
have
a
nicer
facility
there.
That's
something
that
we'll
want
to
make
a
point
to
to
do
is
as
we
expand.
Our
camera
system
have
cameras
so
that
if
there
was
a
vandalism
instance
that
if
you
can't
stop
it
from
happening,
you
can
at
least
maybe
catch
the
culprit.
C
You
know:
we've
we've
kind
of
been
we've
looked
at
in
recent
years
and
and
the
cost
associated
with
heating
restroom
for
very
low
use
when
it
may
or
may
not
work
during
those
real
hard
cold
winter
months.
It's
something
that
you
know.
We
basically
said
that
we're
not
going
to
do
that,
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
winterize
these
take
them
offline.
B
C
Annual
authorization,
it's
always
part
of
the
budget,
but
because
it's
greater
than
fifty
thousand
dollars
the
council
has
to
authorize
that
expenditure.
So
that's
what
we're
asking
for
prices
on
water
softening
salt-
don't
fluctuate
the
way
that
road
salt
does
so
it's
pretty
standard
from
here
to
you.
I
A
M
E
C
The
last
year
was
the
normal
negotiating
year
for
the
police
contract.
You
know
with
the
various
the
four
different
unions
that
we
have
in
the
city.
We
tend
to
sit
on
an
annual
three-year
rotational
schedule,
and
then
we
have
the
code
union
that
kind
of
filters
in
in
between
one
of
those
other
other
years,
with
the
three
larger
units.
C
Last
year,
when
I
was
gone
for
military
duty
chief
file
in
his
role
as
interim
service
safety,
director
negotiated
a
one-year
contract
with
reopeners
in
the
second
and
third
year
for
for
wages
and
then
in
the
third
year
for
wages
in
health
care.
We
sat
down
to
renegotiate
this
contract
this
year,
based
upon
guidance
from
this
body
as
well.
As
you
know,
various
parts
of
the
administration
we
landed
on
a
contract
that
goes
ahead
and
closes
the
contract.
So
we
don't
have
a
reopener
in
the
third
year
as
well.
C
That
maintains
health
care
in
its
current
status.
Does
a
two
and
a
half
percent
raise
for
this
year,
a
2.25
raise
for
next
year,
and
then-
and
this
is
a
the
second
item
on
finance
and
personnel.
But
it's
a
separate
ordinance
because
the
reopener
didn't
speak
to
this
and
it's
a
one-time
payment
of
a
thousand
dollars
for
each
member
of
the
bargaining
unit
as
a
retention
payment
paid
upon
ratification
and
passage
that
has
a
two-year
clawback
provision
included
in
it.
C
Basically,
the
clawback
provision
is,
for
the
term
the
remainder
of
the
term
of
the
contract
that,
if
a
a
member
of
any
of
the
segments
of
this
bargaining
unit
were
to
leave
for
other
than
disability
or
retirement
that
that
money
would
get
sucked
back
to
the
to
the
city.
So
those
two
these
two
while
they're
separate
requests
for
separate
ordinances.
They
kind
of
go
together
because
they
were
happened
there
at
the
reopener
negotiations.
E
C
It's
in
line
with
what's
happening,
what
we're
seeing
right
now
across
ohio
with
with
raises
you
know,
we're
somewhat
unique
in
that
you
know
we're
a
department
that
pays
relatively
well
for
the
area,
not
necessarily
relatively
well
for
the
state.
So
when
you
get
into
the
major
metropolitan
areas,
what
ends
up
happening
is
for
safety
services
in
particular,
they
kind
of
compete
with
one
another,
and
because
it's
easy
to
move
across
jurisdictional
boundaries
and-
and
you
know
you
know,
columbus
can
hire
away
from
dublin
can
hire
away
from
overall
intent.
C
You
know,
and
the
same
thing
happens
in
northeast
ohio.
We
don't
quite
have
that
problem
in
this
particular
area,
but
but
when
you
look
at
the
three
agencies
that
compete
with
officers
or
four
officers,
it's
ohio
university,
athens,
county,
sheriff's,
department
and
city
of
athens
and
we're
you
know
we're
right
in
line
basically
with
those
those
three
agencies.
C
C
You
know
in
most
cases
because
they
have
a
child
that
is
potentially
of
college
age
and
that
that
tuition
for
employees
dependents
is
a
heck
of
a
heck
of
a
benefit
that
simply
we
can't
we
can't
provide.
We
have
lost
some
folks
to
columbus
in
the
past
and
and
the
central
highways
in
the
past,
but
many
cases
it's
due
to
due
to
them
perhaps
wanting
to
move
anyway.
So
it's
not
a
it's,
not
a
major
issue
where
we're
getting
people,
poached,
left
and
right.
C
Yeah,
absolutely,
and
and
what
we're
finding
is
you
know
in
that
in
it's
it's
hard
to
hire
police
officers
right
now.
You
know
across
the
country,
it's
something
that
there's
just
less
people
interested
in
law
enforcement
and-
and
you
know,
I
think
that
the
the
national
mood
is
part
of
that,
and
so
you
know
in
the
past.
C
We
really
really
had
our
pick
of
the
litter
when
it
came
to
applicants
for
law
enforcement
in
this
part
of
the
state,
because
you
know
we
were,
we
were
one
of
the
better
paying
agencies
and
a
good
place
to
work
as
well.
You
know,
we've
got
a
good
environment.
We've
got
a
good
chief.
We've
got
good
leadership
in
in
our
department
and
we're
just
not
getting
applicants
as
far
as
the
numbers,
the
quantities.
Now
we
still
have
some
high
quality
applicants.
C
We
have
a
pool
right
now
that
we
have
in
place
and
we're
getting
to
the
to
the
final
stages
of
that
we've
instituted
a
a
citizen
advisory
group
to
advise
the
chief
and
I,
when
it
comes
to
making
sure
that
incoming
officers
are
fit
with
our
community.
You
know,
and
and
so
that
that
they're
you
know
they're
part
of
that
that
final
interview
with
the
chief
and
I
so
that
you
know,
there's
not
a
red
flag
that
comes
up
because
hey
this
person
isn't
going
to
fit
with
our
community.
N
Thank
you,
remember
kyle.
I
had
a
question
about
the
the
one-time
retention
payment.
Is
that
something
that
would
go
in,
I
mean,
would
that
become?
You
said,
there's
a
two-year
clawback
period
on
it,
depending
on
for,
if
they
left
for
the
the
wrong
reasons
for
the
contract.
Is
that
the
kind
of
thing
would
we
then
see
that
going
in
to
future
contracts
so
like
every
this?
Isn't
the
kind
of
thing
like
every
two
years,
they'd
get
a
bonus
that
they
would?
This
is
just
a
one-time,
one-off,
okay,.
C
L
L
L
C
F
Jordan
pays
all
of
61
franklin
avenue.
I
think
we
should
be
using
city
funds
for
supporting
residents
and
infrastructure
rather
than
giving
bonuses
to
cops.
We
already
spend
millions
of
dollars
a
year
on
them
and
I
don't
think
we
need
to
be
giving
them
a
bonus,
especially
please
spend
it
on
social
services
actually
provide
for
people's
needs
and
that
have
been
shown
to
reduce
crime
rates
rather
than
cops
who
violently
respond
to
it.
E
You
appreciate
your
comments.
Okay,
we
will
move
on
to
the
next
item,
which
is
the
ohio,
police
and
firefighter
pension
fund.
We
have
discussed
a
resolution
to
oppose
the
increase
of
the
employer,
contribution
to
the
ohio,
police
and
firefighter
pension
fund,
some
additional
research
done
by
the
city,
administration
and
others.
E
It
will
not
be
my
recommendation
to
bring
this
forward
at
this
time.
A
resolution
which
opposes
this
pension
fund
increase
there's
a
lot
of
research
that
still
needs
to
be
done
on
this
issue.
I'm
very
pleased
the
prior
item.
We
are
looking
in
the
city
of
athens
to
provide
some
incentive
of
retention
here
for
our
our
police
and,
of
course,
I
fully
support
our
police
and
fire
and
our
safety
services
and
and
and
and
want
to
support
them.
E
J
J
The
increase
has
come
in
in
increments
over
five
six
years,
so
it's
not
a
hit
of
a
quarter
of
a
million
dollars
the
first
year
it
it's
an
incremental
thing.
So
it's
like
what
will
our
budget
be
five
or
six
years
from
now?
I
mean
yes,
it
we
could
still
be
in
serious
financial
difficulties
or
we
we
may
not
be
I
mean
we
don't
know
what
the
future
is.
What
we
do
know
is
that
their
the
pension
fund
is
in
trouble.
It
see
how
to
describe
it.
J
Consequently,
and
it's
a
horrible
thing
to
say,
but
the
the
people
who
are
surviving
longer
are
taking
more
money
out
of
the
pension
funds
than
50
years
ago,
when
these
things
were
set
up,
the
actuarial
table
say
well,
they're
not
going
to
really
live
that
long,
so
they're
not
going
to
take
that
much
out.
Well,
that's
not
true
anymore,
and
also
the
the
amounts
because
are
based
upon
salaries
and
things
have
have
increased,
but
I
I
don't
think
the
council
itself
needs
to
put
out
a
a
resolution
opposing
this.
J
I
mean
if
the
administration
wants
to
write
a
letter
to
the
state
legislature
and
say
we
don't
like
it
fine
if
the
the
auditor
wants
to
that's,
that's
fine,
but
I
don't
see
how
counsel
itself
writing
something
to
oppose.
This
is
really
going
to
make
much
difference
because,
frankly,
this
bill
is
going
to
pass
there
I
mean:
there's
nothing
we're
going
to
do
really
to
stop
this
thing.
It's
going
to
happen,
and
so
what
I
believe
we
should
be
doing
is
saying:
okay,
the
inevitable
the
wave
is
going
to
hit
us.
J
J
It
goes
into
this
little
thing.
On
the
second
page,
paragraph
b
line
34.
the
taxing
authority
of
each
municipal
corporation,
in
which
there
was
a
police
relief
and
pension
fund
on
october,
the
1st
1965
shall
annually
shall
okay,
there's
no
choice
there.
That
word
is
shall,
in
a
manner
provided
for
making
other
municipal
levies,
in
addition
to
all
other
levies
authorized
by
law
levy,
a
tax
of
three
trends
of
one
mill
upon
all
the
real
and
personal
property.
J
J
It
would
just
be
like
the
auditor
reminded
me
that
we're
currently
paying
our
contributions
out
of
the
general
fund
that
that's
right
right,
okay,
and
as
far
as
I
know,
we
don't
have
a
property
tax
in
the
city,
at
least
not
a
direct
one.
We
get
some
from
the
county,
you
know
they
take
it
back
a
little
bit,
but
so
there's
a
lot
of
confusion
right
here,
so
I
just
don't
think
we're
ready
to
write
any
type
of
protest
or
or
even
a
resolution
in
favor
of
it.
This
thing
is
very
confusing
to
me.
E
Thank
you,
member
eisner.
I
I
would
agree
it's
a
very
complicated
issue.
I
appreciate
the
historical
sort
of
look.
I
would
say
that
part
of
the
way
the
system
works
is
for
a
resolution,
an
official
statement
of
support
or
opposition
from
a
city
council,
so
that
the
state
government
knows
what
the
municipalities
are
saying
throughout
the
state
that
it
is
part
of
the
process
and
just
to
say
it's
going
to
pass
anyway.
E
E
If
you
watch
the
press
release
of
the
executive
director
of
the
ohio,
police
and
500
pension
fund
with
the
two
sponsoring
sponsors
of
the
bill,
there's
some
contradictory
information
that
goes
on,
because,
while
she
says
that
we
can't
have,
we
can't
use
a
crystal
ball
to
see
the
future.
That's
basically
what
they're
she's
basing
this
increase
on
is
that
looking
at
the
future
they're
not
going
to
reach
the
eight
percent
returns,
which
they
have
factored
into
their
calculations
and
so
and
they
think
that
if
it's
7.5
or
7.75
they're
going
to
need
extra
moneys.
C
So
there's
property
tax
money
that
goes
into
the
general
fund
of
the
city
and
then
we
use
the
general
fund
now
pay
for
things,
but
then
there's
also
those
inside
mills
that
there's
a
state
law
that
that
that
says,
inside
bills
of
property
taxes
acro
throughout
the
state
will
go
to
to
specifically
to
the
police
and
fire
pension
fund
and
that's
a
1965
law.
From
what
I
understand,
I.
C
On
that,
I
know
that
they'll
have
like
safety
directors
association,
which
I'm
a
member
is
kind
of,
researching
that
as
and
providing
that
as
an
alternative
mechanism,
as
opposed
to
just
passing
those
costs
on
to
local
government,
which
is
what
this
initial
proposal
of
household
512
proceeds
to
do.
And.
I
C
To
try
to
do
it
that
way,
if
you
have
property
taxes
that
go
across
the
entire
state
of
ohio,
as
opposed
to
as
opposed
to
specific
local
governments,
you
know
to
go
and
do
their
employer
share.
You
know
an
example
is
our
our
fire
department
is
the
premier
fire
department
in
southeast
ohio
for
technical
rescue.
C
So
if
somebody
goes
off
of
the
trail
and
the
bailey's,
the
bailey's
mountain
bike
system,
mountain
bike,
trail
system
and
is
stuck
down
in
the
crevasse
and
needs
to
get
extracted
from
that,
our
fire
department
will
be
the
one.
That's
called
because
of
the
interstate
mutual
aid
structure
that
the
ohio
fire
chiefs
have
had
in
place
for
a
long
time.
E
J
E
Government
right
now
that
is
obviously,
as
we
all
know,
not
going
to
last
forever,
and
so
what
happens
when
we
are
paying
more,
and
we
need
to
look
at
this
from
a
budgetary
standpoint
once
again,
not
that
I
don't
support
our
safety
services,
but
we
have
to
be
able
to
pay
these
things
and
we
have
to
be
able
to.
You
know,
be
very
sound
fiscally,
so
I'm
still
questioning
the
the
support
or
the
opposition
to
this.
E
H
Several
communications
of
late,
one
in
particular,
with
director
kerry,
mccarthy
of
the
ohio
mayor's
alliance,
of
which
I
sit
on
that
group,
which
is
the
30
largest
cities
in
the
state
of
ohio.
One
of
the
things
that
kerry
mccarthy
indicated
to
me
is
that
he's
meeting
with
with
people
in
the
state
house
to
discuss
you
know
where
things
are
at.
What's
the
timeline
with
this
one
of
the
things
that
he
mentioned
to
me
is
he
doesn't
feel
that
this
is
a
bill
that
is
going
to
speed
its
way
through.
H
H
Then
I
also
had
a
text
communication
back
and
forth
with
kent
scara,
the
executive
director
for
the
ohio
municipal
league
and
one
of
the
things
that
he
had
indicated
to
me
is
that
the
ohio
municipal
league
is
opposed
to
this
particular
bill.
Hb
512,
as
is
the
buckeye
institute,
which
is
a
non-partisan
non-profit.
H
That
does
a
lot
of
research
into
things
like
this,
this
particular
topic,
and
so
they
have
come
out
in
opposition
as
well,
and
so,
given
that
I
think
that
it's
probably
prudent
that
we
not
you,
know
rush
into
things
at
this
point
in
time.
I
think
that
there
is
time
I
would
recommend
to
council
to
to
stay
this
particular
issue
until
we
do
get
more
intel
as
to
where
things
are
with
this
bill.
H
If
council
is
wanting
to
oppose
or
to
support,
you
know,
council
can
figure
that
out
when
we
get
to
that
point,
but
again
in
reaching
out
to
those
that
I
know
are
in
pretty
regular
communication
with
our
state
legislators
and
the
authors
of
of
this
bill
in
particular
that
you
know.
I
believe
that
that
mr
mccary
mccarthy
is
correct.
That
we've
got
time.
E
Thank
you,
mayor
and
I'll
just
say
that
in
my
time
on
council,
the
ohio
municipal
league
has
has
I'm
not
saying
that
that
we
blankets
should
should
do
whatever
the
home
menswear
league
says,
but
they've
been
a
very
helpful
resource
and
I
think
that
they
are
looking
out
for
the
best
interests
of
municipalities
in
the
state
of
ohio.
So
I
think
we
should
dig
into
the
particulars
of
this
and
look
very
closely
at
the
budget
and
and
decide.
I
agree
with
the
mayor.
We
do
have
some
time.
E
D
Of
things
to
add
piggybacking
on
what
the
mayor
had
to
say
on
wednesday,
the
ohio
municipal
league
is
meeting
with
representatives
abram,
abrams
and
baldrige.
I've
talked
to
a
lot
of
people.
I
I've
talked
with
representative
abrams
aide.
Today
she
was
able
to
provide
me
with
then
I'll
pass
these
out
a
a
fact
sheet
on
this
for
further
review.
D
I
talked
with
the
author
today
at
five
o'clock
to
the
county
auditor
and
right
now,
the
six
tenths
of
a
mil
that
we
get
from
an
existing
levee.
For
this
we're
already
doing
this,
the
six
tenths
of
a
mil
that
we
get
from
the
existing
levee
three
tenths
for
police
three
tenths
for
fire
adds
up
to
265
000,
that's
based
on
2021
figures,
2
265,
000,
part
of
that
comes
from
athens
in
athens,
township
and
part
of
that
comes
from
kanan
canaan.
D
Excuse
me:
athens,
township
in
athens
and
canaan
township
in
athens.
That's
where
that
money
comes
from,
because
it's
inside
millage
that
millage
amount
increases
as
property
values
go
up
unlike
school
property
taxes
that
it's
a
it's
a
it's
a
amount
of
mills.
It
doesn't
go
up
as
your
property
increase
out
of
this.
So,
as
the
mayor
said,
this
could
kick
down
the
road
quite
a
bit
and
I
think,
there's
a
little
bit
more
information.
D
M
Oh
ryan,
goodman
97,
south
green
drive
as
a
young
person.
I
just
want
to
say
I
do
live
in
the
second
ward,
it's
very
hard
for
me
to
feel
represented
in
a
lot
of
situations
because
of
my
age
and
a
lot
of
the
decisions
being
made
will
continue
to
affect
young
people
like
myself,
and
I
would
just
implore
that
the
city,
council
and
administration
not
give
up
this
defeatist
attitude.
M
It's
very
hard
for
me,
and
I
know
like
a
lot
of
the
times.
I
see
a
lot
of
bills
going
through
the
ohio
house
and
I
think
they're,
some
of
the
most
vile
things
written.
I
deeply
agree
with
them,
but
you,
if
you
check
jay,
edwards
email,
you'll,
see
lots
of
emails
from
myself.
One
of
my
favorite
movies
is
the
lorax,
because
a
little
lorax
speaks
for
the
trees
I
mean
my
favorite
quote
is:
unless
someone
like,
you
cares
a
whole
awful
lot
nothing's
going
to
get
better.
M
It's
not
so
I'm
very
emotional
about
this.
I
care
a
lot
about
people,
my
age
and
young
people,
and
I
just
hope
that
you
don't
just
give
this
defeatist
attitude
to
every
big
issue.
I
know
we're
a
littler
city
compared
to
cincinnati,
cleveland
and
columbus,
but
I
think
that
we
do
have
a
voice
and
we've
done
really
impactful
things
here.
So
please
just
don't
be
defeated
at
every
level
and
feel
like
it's
not
going
to
make
a
difference.
Because
to
me
it's
us.
Thank
you.
Thank.
E
E
E
C
A
little
bit
of
oversight,
we
could
strike
that
it's
not
funded
in
the
budget,
so
it's
on
the
it's
on
the
staffing
ordinance,
but
the
budget
didn't
have
a
corresponding
amount
of
money
placed
into
the
100
lines.
For
that,
so
you
know
one
of
the
things
with
staffing
ordinance
changes
is,
is
you
know
you
always
talk
about
increasing
and
decreasing?
We
can
cut
it.
E
I
C
So
you
know,
historically,
the
city
council
has
controlled
expenditures
through
you
know
two
means
number
one.
The
staffing
ordinance
is
one,
I
always
say:
hey,
you
know
we're
just
not
gonna
give
you
that
position
and
then
the
other
way
is
is
through
the
budget
and
not
and
not
appropriating
money
to
the
tc100s,
and
so
it's
it's
basically
like
two
ways
to
hang
on
and
keep
the
expenditure
from
happening.
Conceivably.
You
could
leave
it
in
the
staffing
ordinance
but
not
fund
it
and
then
at
some
point
in
the
future,
go
and
say
yeah.
C
I
Yeah,
I
guess
that's
what
I'm
asking
is:
what's
the
better
approach,
if
it's
just,
if
we
don't
fund
it
and
because
it
seems
to
be
something
that,
because
we've
talked
about
how
that's
going
to
change
and
we're
going
to
have
new
things,
so
we
might
need
somebody
again.
So
it
seems
like
there's
some
logic
and
saying
leave
it
in
there.
We
just
won't
budget
it
for
now,
and
then
we
have
some
flexibility.
J
J
It's
not
up
to
the
administration
right.
We
have
to
do
that.
We
have
to
come
to
a
consensus,
have
a
vote
so
at
some
point,
if
this
really
is
an
issue
someone's
going
to
have
to
introduce
a
funny
noise,
introduce
some
sort
of
ordinance
legislation
to
move
it
one
way
or
the
other
personally,
if
a
position
is
not
being
funded,
I
don't
see
the
point
of
keeping
it
there
to
me.
It's
really
not
much
of
effort
to
create
a
position.
We
do
it
all
the
time,
but
it
just
to
me
it
just
makes
things
cleaner.
J
H
A
E
Keep
it,
I
think
members
fiona
says,
has
made
a
very
good
point
and
something
we
should
think
about.
In
this
case,
we
have
a
number
of
different
decisions.
Right
I
mean
we
have
this
outsourcing
of
I.t
that
we
need
to
make
a
decision
on.
I
think,
just
hanging
on
to
the
cio
position.
If
we're
going
to
move
to
the
bssi
contract.
K
E
G
I
I
would
just
agree
that
it's
cleaner
to
not
leave
the
staffing
the
position
in
there
if
we're
not
gonna
fund
it,
because
it's
it's
not
difficult
to
put
the
position
back
into
a
staffing
ordinance.
So,
for
example,
if
if
we
try
out
the
outsourcing
of
our
it
and
we
we
enter
into
that
service
agreement-
and
we
do
that
for
a
couple
years
and
we're
like
wow,
we
really
want
an
entire
it
team
here
in-house.
We
want
to
keep
this.
G
The
we
it's
to
me,
it
seems
cleaner
to
include
the
positions
that
we
intend
to
fund
and
and
hope
to
fill
rather
than
keeping
positions
in
that
that
are
not
going
to
be
funded.
But
I
had
a
different
question.
I
didn't
go
through
and
do
the
math
as
far
as
how
many
portions
and
full
ftes
are
eliminated
and
how
many
were
added
or
increased,
but
what
is
the
the
the
balance
at
the
end?
What's
the
change?
What's
two
seven
plus
point,
two,
seven.
C
Plus
0.27
so
and
ultimately,
that's
that
position
out
of
the
that
reduced
out
of
the
code
line
and
and
the
0.73
out
of
the
code
line
and
then
increase
to
the
fte
that
that
fte
there
in
the
out
of
the
760
fund,
and
I
think
that
director
riggs
came
and
kind
of
gave
some
projections
as
to
that
and
why
he
thinks
that
that's
an
appropriate
expenditure.
Given
the
the
role
and
the
work
that's
happening
in
that.
G
C
That's
a
good
question:
in
recent
times
the
garbage
fund
has
has
hurt,
we
did
an
increase
here
recently
and
and
we
think
we're
going
to
be
back
in
the
black
and
we
have
a
projection
going
forward.
That
shows
that
this
change,
you
know,
can
be
funded
as
part
of
that
and
we
won't
have
a
a
problem.
The
majority
of
the
work
that
that
director
riggs
sees
to
be
assigned
to
this
position
is
is
an
administration
of
the
the
ahrc
contract.
C
C
We're
kind
of
coming
out
of
that
now
and
the
administration
of
that
contract
is
pretty
is
pretty
important.
So
the
way
he
sees
shifting
work
in
the
in
the
department
that
you
know,
eighty
percent
of
the
time
of
that
particular
position
will
be
spent
on
that
administration
that
that
contractor
the
office
side
of
that.
D
D
Is
there
and
I
apologize?
I
don't
have
my
drive
here
in
front
of
me.
Is
there
some
mention
in
there
as
to
whose
responsibility
it
will
be?
Ultimately,
it
falls
on
the
director,
but
we
know
she's
not
going
to
be
down
there.
Managing
the
pool
daily
can't
do
it.
Who
is
that
going
to?
Who
is
that
going
to
fall
on
which
of
these
positions.
C
So
there's
a
if
you
keep
continuing
down
the
the
sheet
into
the
part
time
in
temporary
positions,
we're
reinstituting
the
pool
manager
position
specifically,
so
that's
identified
there
and
that's
a
six
month
employee.
I
think
the
the
the
thinking
before
with
that
facilities
operation
manager
is
it's
hard
to
hire
a
six-month
employee.
You
know,
typically
you
get
someone
for
a
summer
which
is
a
four-month
employee.
K
C
E
E
Just
a
final.
The
final
comment
on
the
discussion
about
whether
to
leave
in
non-funded
positions
or
not,
it
might
work
okay
for
one
or
two,
but
if
it's
a
normal
practice
and
then
we
have
all
of
these
different
positions,
then
it
might
get
kind
of
complicated.
So
my
recommendation
would
be
to
go
ahead
and
strike
them.
But
that's
that's
my
feeling.
L
E
H
E
E
And
thank
you
other
questions.
Citizens.
Okay.
Moving
on
to
the
next
item
on
our
agenda
appropriations,
the
first
appropriation
will
be
five
thousand
dollars
to
the
general
fund
for
the
auditor
who
needs
a
new
printer,
slash
copier,
I
believe
it's,
the
old
one's
just
gone
computers,
no
longer
supported
right.
L
L
Well,
the
printers
in
our
office
w
want
to
tell
them
how
much
your
picture
cost
more
than
that
it's
they
get
a
lot
of
work,
there's
a
lot
going
on
in
my
office
and
it
takes
kind
of
a
heavy
duty
printer.
I
will
say
this:
my
deputy
auditor
who's
in
charge
of
purchasing
won't,
let
us
get
a
color
one.
So
so
we
are
cutting
corners
where
we
can
but
yeah
it.
It
might
not
cost
that
much
when
it
comes
right
down
to
it.
L
L
N
Remember
this,
I
think
I
was
gonna
say
just
a
a
quick
perusal
of
of
good
old
google.
Here,
hey!
Yes,
some
of
these
printer
prices
are
shocking,
like
thousand
nine
thousand
dollars
so
yeah,
I
guess
that's.
I
also
was
slightly
amazed
by
the
sound
of
a
five
thousand
dollar
printer,
having
only
ever
had
a
little
canon
ninety
dollar
printer
at
home.
But
why
doesn't
that
work?
Obviously,
because
you
need
to
do
more
than
one
little
piece
of
paper
per
minute,
so
yeah,
that's
crazy!
Wow.
E
Other
comments-
all
right
next
item
is
appropriation
of
150
000
to
the
tax
incremental
finance
fund,
which
is
the
school's
school
district
share.
Any
questions
about
that
appropriation
and
the
next
one
is
the
six
thousand
dollars
to
the
general
fund,
which
the
director
stone
brought
up
earlier
for
structural
repairs
to
headquarters.
E
I'm
sorry
any
questions
on
these
first
two
items.
Moving
on
to
the
next
item:
transferring
fifty
thousand
dollars
from
the
general
fund
to
the
cemetery
fund.
We
have
very
little
money
coming
in
to
our
cemetery
and
we
have
a
lot
of
maintenance
that
has
to
happen
at
the
cemetery.
So
we
need
to
committee
members
any
questions
on
the
cemetery
fund.
D
No
pun
intended
there
having
just
buried
a
relative.
I
have
learned
more
about
cemeteries
in
the
last
10
days
than
I
really
care
to.
These
are
just
questions
and,
if
they're
better
handled
offline,
please
let
me
know
how
many
cemeteries
are
we
responsible
for
now,
two
and
in
those
two
cemeteries?
How
many
available
lots
are
still
for
sale?
D
D
K
E
E
L
We
now
have
two
tax
sections
in
our
code
because
of
all
the
changes
that
happened
several
years
ago
and
because
people
we
have
delinquent
taxpayers
and
we
have
to
keep
the
old
section
in
there,
because,
if
they're
paying
a
delinquent
tax
that
falls
under
the
old
code,
we
still
have
to
use
those
numbers
and
rules
anyway.
This
would
be
in
the
newer
part
and
we
didn't.
We
missed
a
spot
where
we
should
have
increased
the
1.65
percent
to
1.85
percent
and
then
the
date
that
that
was
effective
goes
along
with
it.
L
E
E
The
housing
revolving
loan
fund
is
between
the
ohio
department
of
development
and
the
city
of
athens.
This
is
a
five-year
agreement
from
2022
through
2026,
and
this
is
the
office
of
community
development,
administers
the
cdbg,
the
community
development
block
grant
program,
as
well
as
the
home
partnership.
But
we
talk
a
lot
about
cdbg
grants
that
the
city
is
able
to
utilize,
and
this
is
simply
the
agreement
that
we
authorize.
The
city
administration.
I
E
K
I
Some
some
specifics
about
it,
the
purpose
and
the
goal
say:
improving
the
affordable
housing
stock
and
providing
for
the
affordable
housing
needs
of
low
and
moderate
income
persons
and
designated
areas
of
the
housing
revolving
loan
fund.
So
are
there
some
specifics
that
you
can
provide
that
we've
used
them
in
the
past
and
what
are
some
things
that
we're
planning
on,
or
is
this
sort
of
a
general
thing
and
we
can
make
it
up
as
we
go,
I
mean.
Where
are
we
with
actually
using
the
money.
I
I
So
if
there's
any
possibility
that
perhaps
we
could
fix
some
of
the
really
bad
streets
on
the
west
side
through
some
of
this
money,
that
would,
I
think,
enhance
housing
and
certainly
safety
in
the
community.
Now
I
don't
know
if
that's
possible,
but
I
thought
well
I'm
trying
to
be
creative
here.
You
know
what
what
is
possible.
H
H
L
I
told
you
wrong
a
minute
ago,
so
I
had
the
other
revolving
level
find
in
mind.
This
would
involve
the
chip
monies.
However,
in
the
city
there
are,
you
know,
poverty
guidelines
for
people
who
are
about
this
in
the
city
of
athens.
Not
very
many
people
meet
that
who
also
own
their
house
own.
Their
property
need
those
guidelines.
L
We
own
two
houses
that
we
do
rent
out,
that
follow
where
we
they,
the
residents,
pay,
reduce
they're,
managed
by
a
metropolitan
housing
and
and
they
pay
a
reduced
amount
of
rent
compared
to
and
and
part
of
it
is
paid
through
this.
We
also
so
we
pay
for
those
houses
and
they're
subsidized
for
that
we
do
get
small
grants
every
year,
usually
around
75
000,
but
I
don't
think
we
got
one.
H
L
H
H
H
It
does
have
a
ramp
in
the
front
of
the
house
at
this
point
and
accessibility
in
the
back,
but
it
can
be
used
for
that
as
well
with
the
city-owned
properties,
the
city
does
own
two
properties.
One
of
them
is
on
central
avenue
and
the
other
one
is
on
richland
avenue.
We
divest
ourselves
of
two
others
that
were
on
blackburn
road
by
selling
one
and
and
donating
the
other
to
the
metropolitan
housing
authority
for
people
with
various
needs.
I
E
Thank
you,
members
for
illness.
Other
other
comments
on
this
agreement.
Okay,
moving
on
to
the
last
item
on
finance
and
personnel,
the
internet
auction,
this
is
the
authority
to
sell
unneeded
or
obsolete
items.
This
authorizes
the
this
ordinance
authorizes
the
sale
of
of
these
items
by
internet
auction,
and
this
really
authorizes
the
service
safety
director
to
enter
into
an
agreement
with
the
government
auction
service
to
conduct
said
auctions.
E
E
B
F
K
C
Not
necessarily
no,
we
can't
so
this.
This
ordinance
gives
authority,
so
the
state
law
says
you
gotta,
you
gotta
dispose
of
public
property
a
certain
way
and
internet
is
not
one
of
the
things
that
is
on
state
law,
but
state
law
allows
for
municipalities
to
opt
into
it
if
they
pass
an
ordinance
every
year
that
says
you
can
use
this
service.
So
that's
what
you're
doing
is
saying
you
can
use
it
as
a
mechanism
as
opposed
to
having
an
auctioneer.
C
You
know
you
know,
and
everybody
come
down
to
the
to
the
service
and
do
an
auction
in
place.
It
gives
us
cash
allows
us
to
cast
a
wider
net.
Council
still
has
to
individually
authorize
disposal
of
anything
that
is
valued
at
more
than
a
thousand
dollars.
So
you
know
this
disney
cart
launch.
This
is
just
allowing
us
to
use
this
tool
if
we
want
to
dispose
of
something
that
has
a
worth
of
more
than
a
thousand
dollars.
You
got
to
come
back
and
ask
council
for
authority
to
do
that.
C
You
know
in
many
cases
there's
evidence
like
police
evidence.
That
is
no
longer
you
know
necessary
from.
Is
it
returned
for
whatever
reason
back
to
the
you
know,
folks
associated
with
that
that
that
case
you
know,
maybe
it
was
seized
in
a
you,
know,
criminal
activity,
so
that's
a
that's
a
thing
that
could
be
on
there.
Office
equipment
could
be
on
there.
Oftentimes
e-waste
this.
In
the
old
days
there
were,
there
were
copiers
when
there
was
a
useful
life
beyond
the
end.
B
B
C
E
A
J
J
C
J
C
2016
kicked
off
so
there
was.
There
was
a
grant
that
came
through
the
athens
city,
county
health
department,
for
an
active
transportation
plan
and
ultimately,
that
grant
paid
for
a
consultancy
to
look
at
the
central
business
district
to
try
to
increase
active
transportation,
and
what
we
did
is
because
we
had
done
a
bike
and
pedestrian
master
plan.
C
Several
years
earlier,
we
asked
the
central
business
district
study
that
this
consultancy
did
and
there
was
an
ad
hoc
committee,
you
know
formed
and
they
solicited
input
from
business
owners
and
pedestrians
and
cyclists
and
various
funguses
as
they
built
this.
We
asked
them
to
make
it
an
appendix
of
that
mike
and
pedestrian
master
plan.
So
that's
what
that
56-page
document
is
from
that.
C
We
used
that
document
to
seek
transportation,
enhancement,
funding
through
the
ohio
department
of
transportation
and
and
we
received
funding
about
a
million
dollars
to
be
spent
here
in
in
upcoming
years.
I
forget
exactly
which
year
we
have
to
we
have
to
spend.
I
want
to
say
it's
we
got
us,
we
have
to
have
that
committed
by
june
of
23..
C
We
have
to
have
a
project
sold
in
june
of
23,
and
so
ultimately,
this
is
the
design
associated
with
that
work,
and
this
is
specific
lee
looking
at
the
cross
streets
in
the
central
business
district.
So
if
you
remember
a
few
years
ago,
we
did
a
project
on
union
street
from
court
street
to
congress
and
kind
of
it
enhanced
that
cross
street.
C
So
the
grant
was
for
the
other
half
of
union
street
in
the
uptown
area,
kind
of
in
front
of
the
college
green
and
then
the
two
sides
of
washington
street
one
block
over
on
either
side
of
court
street.
The
two
sides
of
state
street
one
blocked
over
on
either
side
of
quest
street
and
that's
what
the
primary
focus
of
this
this
particular
project
is.
J
C
You
can
look
at
the
at
the
proposal.
There
was
a
series
of
error
at
the
I'm
sorry,
not
the
proposal,
but
the
the
the
active
transportation
plan.
Oh
that's,
56
pages,
okay,
and
so
this
is
this
is
to
hire
a
design
firm
to
do
the
both
the
conceptual
design
and
the
the
and
the
actual
construction
drawings
associated
with
those
improvements.
That's
what
this
appropriation
and
authorization
that
we're
requesting
is
okay.
So
let.
D
Me
ask
you
a
different
way:
has
the
administration
prioritized
areas
that
they
think
might
be
next
in
line,
and
I
asked
that
in
the
context
of
the
block
on
union
street,
if
I
were
a
photographer
marketing
the
city
of
athens,
that
would
be
the
first
place
I
would
go.
That
block
is
absolutely
beautiful.
It's
been
well
executed,
it's
very
well
maintained.
H
H
I
feel
that
the
west
union
between
college
between
court
and
congress
was
a
real
success,
and
so
after
seeing
that-
and
I
think
the
citizenry
getting
the
you
know,
look
and
feel
of
that
to
move
this
forward
and
continue
to
do
this
same
kind
of
concept
right
on
down
to
further
improve.
You
know
our
historic
retail
corridor
here
at
the
city
of
athens
and
the
gateway
to
the
college,
our
university,
you
know
it
was
just-
was
the
right
thing
to
do.
Moving
this
forward.
C
One
thing
you'll
note
in
that
56-page
study
is
a
recommendation
to
make
court
street
two
ways
to
or
go
back
to
two
ways
like
it
was
in
the
in
the
old
days.
Now
we
don't
necessarily
have
to
do
that
per
se,
but
that
would
be
one
thing
that
this
consultant
will
look
at.
Is
the
cost
associated
with
doing
that.
C
On
down
the
road,
whether
or
not
we
actually
do
it,
but
the
reason
for
that
is
from
an
economic
development
perspective.
There's
a
there's
a
case
to
be
made
for
central
business
districts
to
to.
If
you
don't
need
bi-directional
one-way
streets,
you
shouldn't
have
them
because
of
they're
detrimental
to
business.
You
don't
need
them
to
move
traffic.
If
they're
judgmental.
H
If
you
think
about
it,
we
have
one
one-way
block
on
union
street
and
it's
from
from
congress
to
court
street
everything
else
to
include
jeff
hill.
That
was
was
one
way
that
was
switched
back
in
2016
or
17,
because
I
didn't
see
the
need
for
that
to
be
a
one-way
street.
It
just
just
jammed
up
the
flow
of
vehicles
through
there.
G
Thank
you,
member
riser.
I
just
want
to
say
that
this
has
once
again
it's
a
multi-year,
really
great
project.
The
city
has
been
very
successful
in
getting
significant
grant
funding
to
make
these
improvements
to
our
uptown,
and
I
think
it'll
be
really
helpful
to
be
able
to
duplicate
some
of
the
efforts
that
were
made
on
union
street
moving
over
to
washington
and
state
street,
and
I
think
that
will
be
beneficial
to
our
businesses
and
and
I'm
excited
to
see
what
the
plans
bring.
E
I'll
just
represent
member
cup
former
member
cotz
is
here
and
say
that
you
know
alternative
transportation
and
all
you
know
we
know
this
is
part
of
the
plan.
We
know
this
is,
but
I
would
just
encourage
us
all
to
continue
to
look
at
the
many
different
modes
of
travel
that
we
use
in
the
uptown
area.
Thank
you.
J
N
Zip,
thank
you
very
much.
I
was
going
to
say
just
to
to
that
same
point.
I
remember
colorado
was,
I
believe
I
read
it
somewhere
in
this
very
large
document
about
adding
more
like
bike
racks
and
things
like
that
and
different
types
of
bike
racks,
some
that
could
even
be
incorporated
with
parking
meters.
N
K
J
C
C
Is
the
first
tranche,
as
we
move
to
the
to
the
lease
structure,
yeah
that
we
did
in
last
year
and
we're
moving
to
this
enterprise
model
where
we're
releasing?
Some
of
these
are
not
being
replaced
with
so
we're
shrinking
the
size
of
the
fleet,
but
ultimately,
over
the
next
couple
years,
as
things
get
ordered
and
switched
out
with
enterprise.
This
is
the
the
first,
the
first
event.
C
Orders
because
we're
not
giving
this
away
and
stopping
using
it
until
a
new
one
arrives
right.
So,
given
the
lead
time
on
some
of
these
that
you
know
we
order
against
the
the
lease
it
won't
be
and
we'll
start
paying
on
that
lease
until
it
arrives
as
well.
So
it's
not
like
they're
all
going
away
at
once.
J
H
C
D
The
reason
I
asked
this
director
stone
is
two
months
ago
I
entered
the
used
car
market
had
a
car.
We
didn't
need
just
make
a
very
long
story
short
bought
the
car.
It's
a
2014
car.
I
bought
it
in
2017
with
19
000
miles
on
it.
I
drove
it
from
2017
to
2021
four
years
put
another
20
000
miles
on
it:
cars
now
up
to
39,
000
or
39
000
miles.
D
I
sold
that
car
to
carmax
for
a
thousand
dollars
more
than
I
paid
for
it,
and
what
I'm
getting
at
is
here.
Might
it
be
wise
to
explore
some
other
avenues
without
knowing
the
mileage
on
these
cars?
I
have
no
idea
the
value,
but
at
least
to
explore
that
to
see
if
we
can't
maximize
the
value
of
property
we
already
own.
I.
C
I
I'd
encourage
you,
member
swank,
to
watch
the
council
recording
when
the
enterprise
representative
gave
the
presentation
to
council
that
talked
about
the
methodology
by
which
they
dispose
of
these
vehicles
and
how
they,
how
they
sell
them
on
the
market
and
their
their
ability
to
to
move
vehicles
for
for
a
good
price.
I
think
they'll
do
better
than
us
because
of
you
know
the
fact
that
they
they
move
vehicles
so
frequently
and
they
do
this.
C
But
you
know,
certainly
when
we
entered
that
contract
it
was
understood
that
that
they
would
be
the
ones
that
would
that
would
dispose
of
vehicles
and
then
ultimately
credit
it
to
the
amount
that
we're
leasing.
I
mean
I
we
don't
have
to
do
that.
We
don't
have
to
give
them
a
one
for
one,
but
and
we
can.
We
can
certainly
look
at
different
different
options,
but
I
think
they'll
do
better
than
us.
Yeah.
C
000
miles
on
it,
that
was
one
of
the
things
they
that
told
us.
When
we
worked
with
them
was
they
said,
hey
look
we're
selling
vehicles
for
more
than
they
were
purchased
for,
especially
when,
when
they're
buying
at
a
government
rate
because
they're
buying
and
then
leasing,
you
know
to
us
at
a
rate
and
they
can
buy
because
they're
buying
for
a
government
agency
at
a
reduced
amount
and
then
they're
selling
it
in
the
aftermarket.
For
you
know,
market
rate,
retail
yeah,
so,
okay,
yeah.
K
I
I
just
want
to
support
what
you're
saying
I
understand
where
you're
coming
from,
because
right
now
with
the
supply
chain
issues
and
whatnot
the
cost
of
used
cars,
in
fact
any
cars,
and
as
you
know,
if
you
try
to
rent
it,
it's
crazy
too.
So
the
prices
are
ridiculously
high,
but
I'm
sure
that
they
are
taking
that
into
consideration
as
they
do
this.
But
I
think
you
know,
because
it's
such
a
unique
situation
right
now.
It's
probably
worth
looking
at
we're.
E
G
C
You
know
if
we
ever
were
to
grant
to
somebody
there's
no
way
you
could
do
that
without
council
authorizing
it.
Well,
it's
supposed
to
happen
both
directions,
and
you
know,
there's
a
number
of
ones
that
have
crossed
you
know
various
parts
of
the
city,
and
you
know
in
in
the
last
20
years,
where
I
can't
say
definitively.
They
came
before
council
and
got
accepted
by
councils.
G
I
Remembers
me
on
this
yeah.
I
just
had
one
question
about
it
in
reading
over
the
marietta
health
one
it
referred
to
exhibit
a
which
I
assumed
would
be
a
drawing,
and
I
did
not
see
an
exhibit
a
so
I'd
feel
more
comfortable
if
they
always
had
those
drawings
with
them.
So
I
know
exactly
what
I'm
doing
with
it.
G
E
G
G
If
anyone
would
like
to
that
information
is
there
for
the
precise
location,
as
provided
by
the
surveyors,
and
the
final
item
on
the
agenda
this
evening
is
a
title:
49
application
for
good
works,
and
this
is
over
on
central
avenue,
the
good
works
building
and
within
the
city
we
have
a
process
through
which
individuals
or
entities
can
request
the
use
of
the
city's
public
rights
of
way,
and
that
is
what
this
is.
Goodworks
is
has
requested
permission
to
place
a
handicap
accessible
parking
space
on
at
least
partially
on
the
city's
right-of-way
at
their.
G
I
believe
this
is
for
their
new
building
over
on
central
avenue,
and
this
the
process
starts
with
the
office
of
code
enforcement
and
they
fill
out
an
application
and
then
is
approved
by
council
at
the
initial
application
time.
But
then
in
future
is
does
not
need
to
come
before
council
for
review
unless
there
are
significant
changes
to
the
plan
for
the
use
of
the
public's
right-of-way,
and
so
this
is
the
application
from
good
works
for
that
use.
Are
there
any
questions
from
members
of
the
committee?
G
I
C
Not
for
title
49
use
of
the
right
way,
their
special
right-of-way
permit,
which
used
to
be
called
a
vocal
license,
and
when
we
revised
our
right-of-way
law
and
created
title
49
to
deal
with
you
know,
management
or
right-of-way
is
better.
We
changed
it
to
make
it
special
use
of
the
right-of-way
basically,
and
have
individuals
get
these.
In
most
cases,
they
are
parking
that
then,
is
designated
for
the
that
particular
property.
It's
usually
on
the
right
way,
but
off
of
the
street.
C
C
I
G
Okay
and
the
other
common
use
for
this
is
signage
like
if
yeah
the
assign
will
be
placed
in
in
the
public's
right-of-way
for
a
particular
organization
or
business.
Thank
you,
director,
stone.
Thank
you,
member
grace.
Are
there
any
other
questions
from
members
of
the
committee,
other
members
of
council
administration
or
the
audience?