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Athens City Council - April 25, 2022
A
Good
evening
and
welcome
to
athens
city
council,
it's
monday
april,
25th
2022.
The
time
is
7
p.m.
We're
in
committee
meetings
tonight
we
have
several
presentations
in
each
of
these
committees.
So
we'll
begin
with
finance
and
personnel.
That's
chaired
by
council
member
crowl
and
joined
by
council
members,
reisner,
ziff
and
spelledness.
B
Thank
you,
president
nicely
the
first
item
on
the
finance
and
personnel
committee
agenda
tonight:
fine
and
fee
justice
for
the
municipal
court.
B
The
we
will
be
hearing
from
judge
grace
here,
judge
grace
and
mayor
patterson
attended
a
conference,
a
boot
camp
in
phoenix
arizona
earlier
this
spring
cities
and
counties
for
fine
and
feed
justice,
boot
camp
and
there's
a
very
interesting
proposal
for
social
and
economic
equality
as
it
relates
to
fees
and
fines
in
the
court
system.
B
I
believe
judge
grace
will
be
looking
for
counsel
to
support
a
program
with
a
council
resolution
and
I
believe
that
there's
a
partial
grant
possibly
available
for
for
a
study
and
that
there
will
be
five
cities
selected
across
the
united
states
for
this,
but
judge
grace
is
here
tonight
to
speak
to
us.
Please
judge.
C
Thank
you,
council,
member
crowl.
Thank
you,
president
nicely
remaining
members
of
council
for
having
me
in
here
today
to
speak,
and
so
in
early
march,
the
mayor
and
I
attended
the
cities
and
counties
for
fine
fee
and
justice.
It's
a
coalition
of
local
governments
working
to
ensure
that
these
do
not
place
a
disproportionate
burden
on
low-income
residents.
C
This
seemed
like
something
that
really
meshed
well
with
the
ideals
of
athens
as
a
city,
and
I
thought
that
it
was
worthwhile
to
attend
it.
We
were
encouraged
by
chief
justice
o'connor
to
attend
and
there
was
some
funding
so
that
the
travel
expenses
were
all
paid,
not
by
the
city.
So
we
attended-
and
I
think
that
I'll
let
the
mayor
address
anything
he
wants
to
address
out
of
that
as
well.
C
But
I
think
there
was
a
lot
of
very
important
information
that
was
shared
through
this
and
there
is
an
opportunity
for
us
to
apply
to
be
one
of
the
five
cities
from
around
the
nation.
It's
only
five
there's
no
guarantee
we'll
get
selected
for
this,
but
there
are
some
reasons
why
I
think
we
might
be
an
appealing
option
for
the
coalition
anyway,
but
this
would
be
an
opportunity
to
join
a
progressive
group.
That's
actually
looking
for
ways
to
make
court
systems
to
be
as
equitable
as
possible
for
all
people
coming
through
the
court
system.
C
C
D
C
C
So
what
we're
talking
about
and
what
I
think
member
crowd
will
be
able
to
introduce
next
week,
is
a
resolution
in
support
of
the
efforts
to
investigate
ways
to
make
the
court
costs,
and
this
is
not
about
fines
or
other
penalties,
though
there
are
two
different
aspects
to
what
courts
do.
There
are
penalty
components,
and
that
is
discretionary.
The
courts
have
to
look
at
what
is
appropriate
for
each
and
every
person
that
comes
before
the
court.
That
would
obviously
need
to
continue.
C
C
My
understanding
from
administrative
director
stephanie
hess
at
the
ohio
supreme
court
is
that
the
chief
justice
would
also
write
a
letter
of
support
for
this
particular
community
to
join
the
cohort,
and
I
think
that
having
something
from
city
council
as
a
resolution
of
support
would
be
a
nice
addition
to
the
application
process
that
we're
going
through.
I
don't
think
that
the
city
of
athens
is
situated
right
now
to
take
on
all
the
costs
of
the
court.
C
E
To
add-
and
I
think
I
may
have
shared
this
with
council
in
the
past-
that
it
was
a
real
eye-opening
experience
to
attend
the
conference
and
see
what
other
cities
have
been
doing
or
planned
to
do.
The
charter
cohort
was
10
and,
as
I
was
sitting
there
and
listening
to
all
these
great
things,
it
was
coming
from
st
paul
minnesota
san
francisco
coming
from
phoenix
arizona.
E
It
was
coming
from
a
lot
of
large
cities,
and
so
at
one
point
I
spoke
up
in
day
two
of
the
two-day
conference
and
basically
raised
my
hand
and
said
you
know,
what's
the
likelihood
that
a
city
of
23
849
people
would
be
selected
in
the
cohort
or
what
are
our
chances
and,
and
they
said
that
you
know
they
weigh
all
these
applications.
Equally,
you
know
to
go
through
a
year-long
training
process.
Basically,
and
then,
after
that
session
was
over.
E
I
was
approached
by
a
former
judge
who
was
part
of
of
the
one
of
the
organizations
that
put
this
event
on
and
strongly
encouraged,
judge
grace
and
I
to
go
ahead
and
apply
for
this.
The
other
beauty
I
see
in
this
is
that
you
know
if
we
are
selected
to
go
through
a
year-long
process
and
bringing
in
non-profits
bringing
in
other
legal
services
here
in
the
city
of
athens
and
and
possibly
athens
county.
E
You
know
to
really
take
that
deep
dive
into
the
inequities
when
it
comes
to
fines
and,
most
importantly,
fees,
the
fee
structure
behind
the
legal
system
and
how
that,
in
some
cases
in
some
cities,
as
as
the
judge-
and
I
were
sitting
there
and
listening
thinking
there
are,
you
know,
jails
and
prison
systems
that
have
basically
built
themselves
upon
the
fees,
not
just
the
fines
but
subsidizing.
E
You
know
the
system
that
way
and
I'm
listening
to
this
and
thinking
about
you
know
inequities.
You
know
to
put
that
on
the
back
of
individuals
that
are
struggling
to
begin
with,
and
then
you
know
the
topic
also
came
up
about.
You
know
restitution
and
that
restitution
has
a
place,
but
watching
people
come
out
of
the
prison
system
and
right
away
have
to
be
paying
and
they
may
not
even
have
jobs
yet
and
or
are
struggling
to
get
back
into
society
and
functioning.
E
As
someone
who
is
making
a
living
so
that
they
can
pay
that-
and
it
just
becomes
this
rule
it,
I
don't
want
to
say
interesting,
this
vicious
cycle.
That
is
the
system
so
anyway,
you
know
again,
I
too,
in
favor
of
at
least
putting
forward
a
resolution
to
see
if
we
might
be
successful
in
being
one
of
the
second
round
cities
and,
as
the
judge
indicated,
it's
gone
from
ten
to
five,
but
you
know
I'd
certainly
like
to
see
athens
become
one
of
the
five
cities
in
that
cohort.
C
B
One
question
for
either
of
you:
the
application
is
that
a
process
that
the
the
courts
finalizes
or
is
that
in
conjunction
with
the
mayor's
office?
How
is
that
done.
C
So
what
we'll
actually
be
doing?
We've
started
the
process
already
it's
been
submitted,
and
there
is
it's
due
by
may
22nd
as
the
final
application,
and
this
is
one
of
the
pieces
I
wanted
to
after
we
discussed
after
you
had
suggested
the
resolution
as
an
option
and
one
go
and
get
this
in
place,
and
then
we've
started
talking
with
some
of
the
other
community
members
as
well.
C
The
application
is
specifically
looking
for
that
community
engagement
and
that's
something
that
we're
working
to
try
to
put
together
as
a
way
of
showing
that
this
is
not
just
two
people
that
this
is
the
community
and
I
think
it
is.
But
that's
what
we're
working
on
right
now
is
to
get
that
ready.
The
basic
part
of
the
application
is
already
submitted,
but
they
are
looking
for
that
engagement
before
we
submit
the
final
application
by
may
22nd.
B
Yeah
other
questions
from
the
committee
for
judge
grace.
Yes,
mr
reisner.
F
D
C
Think
this
is
the
starting
point
because
of
where
the
the
funding
authority
is
where
the
obligations
are.
I
think
this
is
the
place
to
start,
but
I
want
them
to
be
a
part
of
it
as
well,
and
actually
the
mayor
mentioned
this.
Getting
people
within
the
county,
not
just
the
city
involved,
is
a
priority.
This
is
not
something
that
can
well
can
it
should
not
be
done
unilaterally.
C
It
should
be
done
as
a
community
and
community-
broadly
speaking,
not
just
the
city,
not
just
the
elected
officials,
but
as
much
as
possible
to
engage
other
individuals
that
have
a
role
that
are
impacted.
I've
started
some
conversations
with
legal
services.
I've
started
conversations
with
other
individuals
who
have
leadership
roles
in
the
community
to
get
feedback
from
them
and
to
ask
them
once
we
are
ready
to
put
together
a
more
formal
working
group
if
they'd
be
interested,
the
response
has
been
fantastic.
G
Yes,
when
I
saw
this
I
was
so
excited.
I
can't
begin
to
tell
you:
this
is
all
about
the
research
that
I
was
doing
when
I
was
at
ohio,
university,
criminal
justice
re-entry.
G
So
I
said
I
I
personally
will
do
whatever
I
can
to
help
and
support
this.
I
mean
just
one
of
the
many
issues
because
I
could
go
on
and
on
because
I
have
is
that
okay,
so
somebody
comes
out
of
prison
or
they've
been
fined
for
something
and
they
don't
pay
it
because
they
can't
afford
it
because
they
can't
find
a
job
and
they
lose
their
driver's
license.
G
Okay,
you
lose
your
driver's
license
and
then
you
can't
pay
the
fine,
because
you
can't
keep
your
job
or
you.
You
drive
on
a
suspended
license
and
then
you
get
in
more
trouble.
So
it's
this
continual
spiral
downhill
until
you
are
completely
lost
and
what
happens
you
may
end
up
in
jail
again
or
certainly
not
be
in
a
good
place.
That's
just
one
of
many
examples
and
there's
so
many
more,
but
anyway
there's
just
one
example.
So
I
am
all
about
this
and
thank
you
so
much
for
bringing
this
to
our
attention.
H
Over
the
last
several
years,
the
city
in
general-
and
this
city
council
in
particular,
has
addressed
equity
a
lot
of
different
forms.
H
Just
this
coming
wednesday,
this
council
will
participate
in
the
racial
equity
training
from
nine
to
noon.
Last
week
we
passed
a
trash
ordinance
of
all
things
that
equalized
what
renters
and
homeowners
will
pay
for
one
can
of
trash.
I
don't
have
the
depth
or
breadth
of
experience
survey.
However,
I
would
ask
this
question:
can
you
give
us
an
example
or
two
currently
of
inequities
that
you
are
seeing
here
in
athens
through
your
court
or
through
the
judicial
process?
I
should.
C
I
have
routinely
seen
people
come
through
the
court
system
in
that
program
who
do
well
on
supervision.
They
do
well
with
their
abstinence.
They
do
well
with
their
counseling
they're
doing
well,
but
they're
really
struggling
with
the
finances,
and
it
was
delaying
some
of
those
resolutions
of
their
cases.
So
they
stayed
in
the
program
longer.
C
That's
not
necessarily
bad,
sometimes
that
additional
time
in
the
program
can
be
good
for
people.
It's
additional
supervision
and
just
check
in
so
that
they
know
what's
going
on,
but
it
also
undermines
their
sense
of
accomplishment
from
being
in
the
program.
So
I've
already
made
this
change.
I
started
where,
every
month
that
people
have
successful
participation
in
the
program,
I'm
giving
them
a
30
credit
towards
the
supervision
fees,
so
they're
not
required
to
pay
it.
C
C
It's
not
much
in
terms
of
what
our
operating
expenses
are,
what
the
court
and
the
city
has
to
pay,
but
it
was
making
a
difference
for
those
individuals,
so
I
made
it
possible
for
them
to
earn
so
they
have
a
responsibility
on
this,
but
for
them
to
earn
that
to
be
forgiven
so
that
they
can
graduate
so
they
can
see.
That
is
hopefully
what
I
wanted
to
be,
which
is
another
way
of
showing
that
they've
been
successful
in
their
program.
I
Thank
you,
I'm
enthusiastic
about
this
work
and
appreciate
the
thought
that's
going
into
it.
I'm
also
appreciative
of
the
careful
kind
of
coalition
building
that
I'm
hearing
happening
in
terms
of
your
plans
to
expand
to
other
entities
in
the
county,
and
I've
been
in
situations
where
I've
pursued
opportunities
like
this
and
they've
had
the
disappointment
of
not
been
being
awarded
them.
So
I'm
wondering
if
you
can
think
of
anything
we
might
be
able
to
do
to
support
the
likelihood
that
we
will
pursue
these
topics
regardless
of
whether
or
not
we
are
holding
this
up
again.
C
So
part
of
the
reason
I
wanted
to
go
ahead
and
start
making
some
of
these
changes
once
we
had
the
information
once
we
came
back
from
the
conferences,
I
don't
want
this
to
peter
out.
I
don't
want
this
to
be
something
that
we
base
it
all
on
whether
or
not
we're
selected
as
part
of
the
cohort.
The
cohort.
C
C
B
I
believe
I
haven't
seen
a
draft
of
the
resolution.
You
know
drafted
a
resolution,
yet
I
believe
it
would
be
specifically
in
support
of
this
application,
but
another
as
a
you
know.
We
can
do
other
things
and
to
support
the
other
programs.
The
judge
is
talking
about
and
doing
it
internally,
but
this
specifically
is
to
support
the
application.
C
And
when
I
spoke
with
clerk
walker
about
this,
there
was
some
conversation
about
being
more
broad.
I
don't
know
what
the
final
version
will
look
like.
Yet
I
don't
write
the
resolution,
but
I
think
this
is
something
that
really
is
in
line
with
our
city
goals
and
I
would
be
happy
to
see
any
resolution
that
is
making
it
clear
that
that
is
a
sharepoint.
B
Other
questions
for
judge
grace.
Okay,
thank
you
judge.
Moving
on
to
our
next
item,
also
a
yes,
I'm
sorry,
please,
please
auditory.
J
We,
the
city,
already
subsidizes
that
program,
and
we
are
up
now
to
over
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
that
we
we
pay
over
and
above
what
they
bring
in
each
year,
their
budgets
over
a
million
dollars.
The
court
costs
last
year
were
about
four
hundred
and
sixty
thousand
dollars
the
other
fines
and
fees
that
come
in
are
about
two
hundred
thousand
dollars.
J
J
If
we're
not
serious
about
moving
forward,
I'd
be
really
surprised
if
we
would
find
outside
sources
to
subsidize
a
half
a
million
dollars
a
year
for
court
operations,
even
if
we
do
get
some
help
and
I'm
also
a
little
bit
uncomfortable
with
moving
forward-
and
I
had
said
that
you
know
this
is:
is
the
option
is
to
move
forward,
see
if
we
even
get
it
this
grant
and
move
forward
with
looking
into
this,
however,
if
we're
not
going
to
follow
through
and
we're
not
going
to
be
willing
to
give
up
half
a
million
dollars
a
year
in
our
general
fund
to
support
the
court,
then
we
probably
shouldn't
even
move
forward
now
I
know
that's
not
going
to
happen,
I
mean,
I
know
everybody
thinks
we
should
go
ahead
and
try
for
this
and
see
what
happens
see
if
we
even
get
it.
J
J
It
increases
every
year
and
what
they
bring
in
is
doesn't
cover
it,
and
some
of
that
is
okay,
but
in
the
past
we've
had
many
conversations
here.
Even
before
judge
grace
came
into
the
office
about
how
much
is
too
much,
you
know
how
much
are
we
paying
and
subsidizing
and
but,
as
I
said,
I
know
how
people
live.
J
I
know
how
hard
it
is,
but
I
also
know
that
these
people
are
in
court
for
a
reason
they
did
something
they
shouldn't
do,
and
so
they
said
I
was
just
watching
tonight
about
you,
know
re-entry
programs
and
things
like
that.
I
get
it
and
I
support
that
stuff.
But
financially
council
has
to
be
be
ready
to
back
that
up
and
that's
a
lot
of
money.
J
C
Just
in
here,
this
is
something
that
we've
talked
about
as
not
the
immediate
move
that
we're
discussing,
and
it's
not
something
that
I'm
proposing.
I
tried
to
mention
that
earlier
that
I
don't
think
the
city
is
situated
to
take
on
all
that
cost.
We're
looking
at
ways
to
minimize
the
impact
not
to
completely
change
the
structure.
C
It's
not
that
she's,
making
that
up!
That's
something
that
I
had
mentioned.
I
don't
like
the
way
that
courts
anywhere
are
funded
where
it's
funded
by
the
people
that
go
through
the
court
system,
and
so
I
think,
she's
responding
more
to
that
personal
belief
of
mine,
not
to
what
I'm
proposing
for
us
as
we
go
through
this
process.
J
Okay,
good
go
ahead.
Please
we've
had
this
conversation
in
meetings
where
you're
the
one
that
mentioned
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
that
would
be
lost
before
I,
and
I
said
well,
it's
really.
It
was
only
460
000
last
year,
so
you
did
talk
about
that
loss
and
you
know
it's
it's
a
lot
of
money
in
our
general
fund
and
as
the
auditor
I
just
have
to
put
that
out
there.
If
we
don't
get
any
kind
of
other
support.
B
Let
me
just
first
apologize
the
auditor
for
not
calling
on
her
earlier,
but
that
we
appreciate
the
financial
analysis.
It's
an
important
part
of
this
whole
process.
G
Okay
and
yes,
what
you're
saying
of
course,
is
important
that
we
have
to
keep
and-
and
I
share
judge
grace's
ideas
about
how
these
things
should
be
funded,
but
that's
not
a
reality.
However,
I
think
it's
really
important
that
some
of
these
things
aren't
really
about
adding
costs
at
all,
and
some
of
these,
based
on
cost-benefit
analyses
that
I've
personally
been
involved
with
by
providing
good
re-entry
and
sensible
programs.
G
Recidivism
it
reduces
crime
and
so
therefore
costs
the
courts
less.
So
I
think
that's
the
kind
of
smart
activity
that
we
have
to
be
considering
because
it
assumes
now
that
costs
will
continue
to
go
up
if
we're
smart.
If
we
handle
things
better,
they
won't-
or
at
least
we
hope
they
won't.
But
I
I
really
would
say
that
there
are
some
smart
ways
of
dealing
this
that
will
could
conceivably
reduce
costs
rather
than
adding
to
them.
A
I
just
to
give
a
broad
brushstroke
of
our
conversation
tonight,
which
we've
now
been
discussing
for
22
minutes
and,
and
I
am
going
to
be
a
timekeeper
because
we
have
at
the
end
of
our
session.
We
have
another
presentation
and
I
want
to
be
able
to
give
them
equal
time.
I
think
this
is
a
good
first
discussion.
If
I'm
sensing,
I
see
general
support
of
a
letter
of
res
letter
of
support
towards
submitting
the
grant,
but
I
would
I
could
think
caution
based
on
auditor
hex
comments
and
earlier
comments
and
acknowledging
solvay.
A
There
are
a
way
just
to
perhaps
save
costs,
but
this
is
for
elimination
of
court
costs
and
to
be
very,
I
I
think,
but
but
what
I
would
suggest
is
we.
I
don't
think
we
have
to
settle
this
tonight
and
that
there
are
a
number
of
ways.
I
hear
what
you're
saying
there
are
a
number
of
ways
that
we
can
advance
more
equitable
situation
situation,
and
so
I
think,
long
term,
best
case
scenario.
You
submit.
H
H
H
B
C
So
I'm
going
to
answer
your
question,
but
I
also
want
to
preface
that
part
of
what
I
tried
to
outline
is
I'm
not
looking
at
my
perfect
world
how
courts
are
funded?
That's
something
that
in
our
earlier
meetings,
I
discussed
this
and
I
said
if
we
were
to
go
all
the
way,
then
we
could
potentially
restructure
entirely
and
fund
through
the
city
instead
of
having
this
funded
through
court
costs.
But
I
don't
think
that
we're
there
right
now.
That's
why
I
tried
to
say
at
the
very
beginning.
C
I
listened
to
the
concerns
that
were
mentioned
by
others.
I
still
in
a
perfect
world.
I
would
not
have
a
branch
of
government
in
any
way
funded
through
collection
of
court
costs.
I
just
don't
think
that
charging
the
people
that
are
coming
in
because
they're
charged
makes
sense
as
a
way
of
raising
revenue
for
the
court.
C
C
That
we
discussed
that,
but
we
discussed
that
if
as
they
if
we
were
to
go
to
the
extreme
most
progressive
version
of
this,
I
just
want
to
make
that
clear,
because
I
think
we're
getting
sidetracked
by
a
conversation
about
something
that's
not
even
being
discussed.
A
lot
of
what
you're
seeing
remember.
Swank
is
actually
changes
in
police
prioritization,
specifically
for
traffic
stops,
and
that
has
been
a
priority
change
started
roughly
in
2012.
C
But
I
think
there
are
a
lot
of
ways
that
we
can
make
this
more
equitable
and
to
protect
people
that
are
coming
in
through
the
court
system
that
are
being
impacted
not
because
of
punishments
that
are
intentionally
imposed,
but
because
of
blinded
costs
that
are
imposed
on
them.
And
that's
what
I'm
trying
to
address
at
this
point.
H
C
B
Thank
you
judge
grace,
so
other
elected
officials
or
members
of.
K
Thank
you,
member
prowl,
just
to
chime
in
a
tiny
bit.
I
guess
thank
you
for
coming
with
this
presentation
and
also
thank
you
otter,
heck
for
having
the
always
the
ever
watchful
eye
on
the
the
finances
of
the
city,
and
I
just
wanted
to
the
the
very
the
bare
minimum
just
go
on
record
and
say
I'm
100
with
with
the
the
same
idea
of
you
know.
K
Ideally
there
wouldn't
be
court
costs
for
people
that
are
you
know
we
don't
want
to
be
funding
itself
and
I
wanted
to
see
the
court
as
a
business.
It's
an
actual
branch
of
government
that
makes
me
feel
icky.
So
I
know
personally,
I
would
be
completely
in
support
of
finding
a
way
to
subsidize
that
cost
through
the
city
and
I'm
sure
that
would
take
a
lot
of
very
create
very
creative
accounting
and
a
lot
of
overtime
hours
at
the
auditor's
office.
K
But
I
also
recognize
that
we
don't
live
in
that
perfect
world,
but
I
know.
J
J
Oh
you
know,
because
it
isn't
all
about
that
and
I
get
it,
but
we're
talking
about
a
huge
chunk
of
money
for
the
city
to
have
to
subsidize
here
and,
as
you
said,
and
I
remember
when
that
happened
with
the
state
highway
patrol
and
their
philosophy,
but
at
the
same
time
our
expenses
have
not
gone
down.
You
know
our
revenue
has
gone
down,
but
our
expenses
have
not.
L
Grace
please
thank
you
very
quickly.
Member
call-
and
this
is
just
a
question
for
the
auditor-
a
request
for
additional
information.
If,
on
the
numbers
that
you
sent
us,
if
you
could
include
what
the
the
total
of
the
court
cost,
what
does
that
include?
Is
that
including
any
fees
for
the
jail
for
the
prosecutor's
office
for
the
public
defender's
office,
all
of
those
things
or
is
it
entirely
municipal
court,
because
I
I
know
sometimes
in
budgeting
the
the
cost
for
some
of
the
like
the
public
defender's
office.
J
I
can
do
that,
and
I
actually
looked
at
that,
because
I
have
all
the
revenue
and
expense
reports
here,
and
I
know
that
those
are
areas
that
the
judge
just
talked
about
in
his
budget,
the
public
defenders
and
and
the
law
library.
You
could
say
he
doesn't
hasn't
felt
that
those
should
be
in
his
budget
anyway,
come
to
about
90
to
100
000
a
year
in
expenses.
J
So
even
if
we
subtracted
that
out
as
a
true
court
expense
we're
still
talking,
you
know
a
good
300
000
that
we're
subsidizing
plus
you
know,
as
opposed
to
450
000-
is
really
what
I
came
up
with.
Does
that
make
sense?
Yeah
yeah?
I
just
wondered
what
was
included
yeah.
Thank
you
that
I
can
send
on.
I
can
send
all
kind
of
reports
out,
but
that's
why
I
tried
to
make
it
into
a
spreadsheet,
but
I
can
show
you
all
the
expenses
and
I
can
do
detail
revenue.
B
Okay,
I'm
just
going
to
wrap
up
by
saying
that
we
will
see
a
resolution
of
support
for
applying
for
the
cohort
at
this
council
next
monday
and
and
as
president
eisley
has
has
described.
There
will
be
another
process
of
investigating
what
actually
happens,
but
I
I
do
there
will
be
a
resolution
for
support
for
this
cohort
program.
Yes,
mayor
patterson.
E
Thank
you
couple,
probably
quick,
because
it
was
kind
of
alluded
to
with
the
state
highway
patrol
having
a
paradigm
shift
back
in
2012
that
wasn't
the
case
for
the
city
of
athens.
So
you
know
we
typically
have
three
patrol
officers,
cruising
11
square
miles
of
city,
and
if
they
do,
you
know,
observe
a
traffic
violation
that
is
a
citable
offense.
Then
they
typically
will
pull
the
person
over.
Sometimes
it's
a
warning,
but
most
times
well
sometimes
the
morning,
sometimes
they're,
actually
citing
the
person.
Because
of
that
infraction.
E
B
B
B
C
F
B
B
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
going
on
to
our
next
item
of
thank
you
for
being
here,
judge
grace
2022,
staffing,
amending
the
staffing
ordinance.
We
have
a
proposal
from
the
auditor
to
combine
some
positions
within
her
office.
B
So
this
is
a
would
would
result
in
an
increase
of
one
dollar
per
hour
to
the
current
hourly
rate
of
the
account
administrator
one
payroll
position,
which
would
become
the
executive
administrator.
So
the
current
hourly
rate
of
this
position
is
21.71
into
an
increase
to
22.71
any
questions
or
comments
from
the
committee
on
this
item.
Yes,
member
eisner.
J
D
F
B
J
You
know
the
job
description
and
the
added
duties
and
everything
else
that
went
along
with
this,
and
I
think
it's
important
that
we
establish
this
position,
which
is
a
title
change.
We
have
worked
with
the
hr
department
all
along
and
the
director
did
the
scoring
for
us
to
support
what
we
thought
should
happen,
and
so
I
just
hope
that
you'll
support
this.
This
change
in
my
office.
B
B
Those
who
have
been
in
the
city
for
a
few
years
know
that
we've
had
some
challenges
with
operating
our
swimming
pool,
and
it
is
believed
that
a
quality
candidate
is
available
at
a
higher
hourly
range.
I
believe
the
current
range
is
13
to
16
dollars
an
hour,
and
the
recommendation
is
to
move
that
range
to
sixteen
dollars
to
twenty
dollars
an
hour.
Would
the
ssc
like
to
speak
to
this
all
right.
M
I
can
speak
to
it.
We
we've
identified
a
candidate
who
actually
agreed
to
take
the
position
at
16,
with
the
understanding
that
we
would
come
to
this
body
and
ask
for
an
increase
in
the
range.
Ultimately,
the
goal
is
to
land
on
18
an
hour
to
get
this
person
in
the
door.
M
This
particular
candidate
is
a
is
a
nine
month
faculty
member
at
ohio
university
and
has
a
significant
amount
of
experience
in
recreation,
aquatics
and
management
of
young
people
and
there's
a
lot
of
young
people
that
you
manage
as
the
pool
manager
with
lifeguards
and
concessions,
workers
and
gate
workers
and
such
at
the
pool,
and
we
we
know
that
this
year
we
really
want
the
pool
to
function.
You
know.
M
And-
and
the
other
thing
I
would
ask,
is
that
when,
if
you
would
consider
that
that
the
movement
of
this
range
also
would
consider
you
know
as
quickly
as
possible
passage
as
opposed
to
going
all
the
way
in
or
if
not
doing,
a
retro
back
to
the
beginning
of
the
of
the
period
of
time
that
we
brought
them
in
we're.
Gonna
start
them
here
here
very
soon.
M
I
signed
the
letter
actually
last
week
so,
and
it
is
part
time
because
it's
you
know
like
a
five
to
six
month,
employee,
but
in
the
month
of
june,
not
the
last
end
of
may
beginning
of
june,
beginning
of
july,
the
person's
working.
You
know,
50
60
70
hours
a
week,
because
that's
the
time
that
you're
really
trying
to
make
the
pool
work.
So
it's
part-time
insofar
as
it's
not
the
whole
year.
But
there's
a
lot
of
work
when
you're
when
you're
there
for
those
time
to
start
up
the
pool.
B
Thank
you,
director,
stone
questions
from
council
on
the
pool
manager,
pay
increase.
Other
members
of
council
remember
grace.
M
Historically,
we've
not
done
that,
but
we're
permitted
to,
and
in
this
instance
I
think
that
it's
appropriate.
H
M
Not
because
this
is
a
part-time
employee,
and
so
if
you
look
at
the
staffing
ordinance,
you've
got
all
the
various
ftes
for
the
full-time
employees
and
then
down
in
the
bottom.
It
talks
about
part-time
employees
and
identifies
the
the
various
dollar
amounts
that
are
attributable
to
those
part-time
employees,
so
they're
outside
of
that
whole
non-union
pace,
study
structure
that
have
those
various
grades.
H
M
Not
as
much
as
the
this
particular
pool
has,
however,
they've
been
into
the
into
the
mechanical
room.
I
walked
it
through
it
with
our
building
maintenance,
folks
and
and
are
up
for
the
challenge.
So
the
previous.
M
Not
quite
as
complicated
as
the
starship
enterprise
down
there
on
east
8th
street,
but
but
but
they
they
do,
have
experience
mechanicals
and
pools
that
are
less
com
complicated.
You
know.
The
benefit
that
we
have
here
in
the
city
is
we've
got
a
you
know:
good
building,
maintenance
team,
a
very
good
building
maintenance
team,
a
great
recommended
team
and
then
also
we've
got
a
water
department
that
runs
pumps
all
over
the
city.
M
B
B
I
believe
we
have
a
final
design
from
rvc
architects,
the
close
to
it
that
you
said
proposal.
B
Thank
you.
The
city
administration
is
looking
for
an
appropriation
of
165
000
from
from
580
dc
500
and
an
authorization
for
the
service
safety
director
to
expand
up
to
250
000
for
preliminary
and
final
design.
M
And
I
can
actually
make
a
couple
corrections
to
that,
because
we,
since
our
meeting
on
tuesday,
that
we
had
member
crowd,
we,
we
went
back
and
we
looked
at
costs
associated
with
project
number
313
and
have
been
attributed
to
project
number
313
over
the
last
really
four
years
and
and
there's
actually
a
hundred
and
nine
thousand
dollars
that
have
been
attributed
to
that.
It
was
some
repairs
in
2017.
M
Actually,
when
we
initiated
the
project,
that
was
only
ten
thousand
dollars,
plus
forty
nine
thousand
dollars
for
the
purchase
of
windows
and
then
forty
thousand
forty
nine
thousand
dollars
for
preliminary
engineering,
the
the
hazardous
material
testing
that
we
did
and
a
few
other
things
on
the
on
the
front
end.
So
that's
109
thousand
dollars
already
committed
and
then
I'm
asking
for
165
000
more
to
be
spent
for
a
total
of,
or
you
know,
appropriated
for
final
design
out
of
580.
M
So
that's
274
000,
but
already
has
moved
through
council
a
five
hundred
thousand
dollar
appropriation
in
the
arpa
fund.
Two
two:
eight
six
fund
that
also
will
need
to
get
captured
in
this
overall
authorization.
So
the
overall
authorization,
rather
than
be
274
000,
will
be
774
thousand
dollars
and
again
this
is
going
towards
our
about
million
dollar
commitment
to
the
to
the
project.
You
know
we
do
have
an
upcoming
visit
working
on
getting
more
funding
from
the
outside
we've
got
the
capitol
bill.
Ask
in
right.
M
Now
we
had
a
great
meeting
with
jobs
ohio
a
couple
weeks
ago
and
we'll
come
forward
to
you
more
in
the
future,
as
we
as
we
line
up
the
other.
The
rest
of
this
capital
stack
to
get
this
three
and
a
half
million
dollar
project.
What
we
believe
to
be
about
a
three
and
a
half
million
dollar
project
across
the
finish
line
with
the
city
contributing
about
a
million
of
that.
So
this
is
774
of
the
of
the
millionaires,
so
we're
looking
at
for
the
city's
contribution
to
that
effort.
B
Right
questions
from
the
committee
on
this
for
the
armory
other
members
of
council
senate
mayor
or
auditor,
any
comments
on
this
members
of
the
public.
Thank
you,
director,
stone.
Moving
on
to
appropriations.
B
G
J
Join
us
I'm
starting
to
wonder,
to
be
honest,
we
actually
know
that
we
have
a
hundred
and
fifteen
thousand
dollars
in
refunds
that
we
haven't
processed
in
our
office
with
the
voucher
and
sending
the
check
out,
and
so
that
brings
us
down
to
what
150,
where
54
000.
J
Now
plus
we
put
it
in
this
other
200
000.
But
we've
received
another
stack
of
refunds
with
the
annual
refunds
that
came
in
last
week
during
tax
time
and
we've
received
another
cd
with
refunds
on
it
from
our
largest
employer,
so
yeah,
I
I
don't
know.
We
just
had
no
way
to
predict
this,
and
obviously
I
thought
it
would
be
there'd
be
an
increase,
but
it's
a
lot
more
than
than
I
dreamed.
I
will
say
this:
it's
more
for
a
member
than
mccary.
J
We
did
go
ahead
and
send
an
email
today
to
other
entities
to
see
what
their
refund
status
from
their
work
from
home
and
my
office
is
tracking
the
differences
in
the
regular
refunds
and
the
work
from
home
refunds
that
are
a
totally
different
ball
game
that
we're
in
now.
So
I
can
follow
up
with
that
information
too.
We
hope
to
get
that
from
the
other
entities
that
we
asked
about
but,
as
I
said,
we
just
sent
that
today
so
we'll
see
and
I'll
report
when
we
get
that.
J
B
H
Oh,
these
two
are
for
the
auditor
and
I
have
to
admit
I
I
grossly
underestimated
this
based
on
articles.
I
read
that
and
the
difficulty
it
would
be
to
get
this
money
back.
It
appears
it's
not
very
difficult,
so
my
apologies
for
that
first
thing
that
it
wouldn't
be
much,
but
I
would
like
to
know
if
you
happen
to
know
this.
The
total
number
of
refunds
so
far,
ballpark
figure
not
the
amount,
but
the
actual
refunds
and
the
percentage
of
those
that
are
from
ohio
university.
Do
you
have
any?
J
Figures
we
have
those
figures.
We
have
separated
that
also
because,
obviously
the
majority
come
from
the.
B
Other
comments,
city,
administration,
republic,
okay,
next
item
under
appropriation,
is
seven
thousand
dollars
to
the
general
fund
lands
and
buildings
for
tool
replacement.
You
may
remember
that
we
had
a
theft
of
tools
from
epw
and
this
with
the
insurance
payment.
This
is
the
seven
thousand
dollars
to
be
appropriated
back
into
the
lands
and
buildings
fund.
Any
questions
from
the
committee
on
seven
thousand
dollars
to
replace
the
stolen
tools.
Other
members
of
council
city
administration.
M
It's
actually
landed
willing,
so
it's
the
wreck.
Maintenance
building,
is
where
the
lands
of
buildings
folks,
so
it's
not
epw.
Oh
it's
not
either
over
the
east
state
street
is
where
this
particular
theft
occurred,
and
this
is
their
reappropriate,
and
you
mentioned
an
insurance
payment
that
the
city's
received
is
just
to
put
it
back
in
their
budget,
so
they
can
buy
these
tools.
B
It
represents
them.
Let
me
place
it.
Okay,
and
the
next
item
is
forty
dollars.
I
like
these
amounts
a
little
better
than
some
of
the
other
ones.
We've
been
doing
40.
This
is
to
the
washington
drd
fund
596.
I
believe
these
are
for
county
auditor
fees.
Any
questions
on
this
forty
dollar
appropriation,
whether
it's
council,
auditor
city
administration
and
the
last
item,
is
a
few
miscellaneous
items
for
arts
parks
and
recreation.
B
M
Yes,
they
are,
and
no
it
was
not
expected,
but
it's
not
new
is
relative
right.
It's!
You
know
five
years
at
this
point
perfect
for
warranty,
but
it's
the
perfect
warranty
right,
yeah,
that's
right!
Three
years
is
the
warranty
and
then
it
breaks
in
the
beginning
of
the
fourth
year,
the
actual
thing
that
we're
looking
for.
We
were
able
to
fund
those
pump
repairs
out
of
some
273
funds,
so
we're
okay
there.
M
But
what
I'm
asking
for
is
an
8
000
appropriation
to
tc
300
in
the
270
fund,
the
rec
fund
and
that's
specifically
for
a
maintenance
contract
with
buckeye
aquatics
to
help
us
for-
and
this
is
just
not
something
that
we
anticipated
when
we
built
the
budget.
Likewise,
twenty
five
hundred
dollars
for
lifeguard
pre-certifications,
so
you
know
paying
for
in
in
past
years.
We've
you
know,
said:
hey,
you,
gotta
be
lifeguard
certified.
You
can
work
here
and
this
year
we've
made
the
decision.
M
We're
not
going
to
do
that
because
we
don't.
We
want
to
have
enough
lifeguards
and
so
we're
going
ahead
and
hiring
people
and
then
certifying
them,
and
so
this
is
a
cost
that
we're
asking
for.
So
that's
eight
thousand
dollars
and
270
tc
500
and
then
that
gym
floor
in
the
I'm
sorry,
tc
300
the
gym
floor.
M
It
would
be
271
tc
500,
it's
8,
500,
we've
not
redone
the
gym
floors
for
for
about
four
years
now
and
so
they're
they're
due
this
isn't
like
a
complete
like
sanding
down
and
everything.
But
it's
the
you
know,
removal
and
application
of
that
finish.
That
critical
finish!
That's
on
the
floor.
You
know.
M
Variety
of
pieces
of
tape
and
other
things
that
have
gone
there
in
the
interim
that
cause
damage.
So
this
is
something
that
we
do
kind
of
an
annual.
It
should
be
an
annual
maintenance
type
activity
that
we've
kind
of
put
off
for
a
few
years,
so
we're
asking
to
have
an
appropriation
there.
G
G
Okay,
the
reason
I
ask
is
because
I
took
the
pickleball
clinic
this
this
weekend
and
talked
to
greg
labelle,
and
he
was
concerned
that
the
shiny
floor
makes
it
very
hard
to
play
pickleball
on
it.
G
This
is
a
real
thing.
Come
on,
it's
a
real
thing.
So
what
he
was
had
asked
about-
and
I
thought
I'd
at
least
ask-
does
it
have
to
be
shiny?
Can
it
be
more
of
a
matte
surface?
I
mean
this
may
seem
like
a
trivial
thing,
but
apparently
for
pickleball
players,
which
there's
more
and
more
of
they
have
some
concerns
about
that.
M
M
That's
been
installed
express
late
for
pickleball
that
you
know
we're
having
to
pull
off
now
and
and
redo
that
I
don't
know
that,
there's
a
there's,
a
different
way
that
you
can
finish
a
gym
floor
with
a
more
matte
finish
I'll
have
to
check
into
that.
You
know.
Certainly
we
want
to
ensure
that
the
pickleball
crowd
is,
is,
you
know,
served
to
the
best
we
can.
This
body
did
appropriate
or
is
seeking
to
appropriate.
M
You
know
quite
a
bit
of
money
to
build
for
new
courts
outdoors
for
pickleball,
but
certainly,
if
there's
a
way
that
we
can
make
it
better
for
them
indoors.
We
will
attempt
to
do
so.
H
I
have
to
go
back
about
40
years,
got
a
little
bit
of
experience
with
this
when
I
coached
volleyball
at
athens,
high
school
girls,
sports
were
just
getting
started
and
we
were
not
allowed
to
paint
volleyball
lines
on
the
floor
would
ruin
the
appearance
of
the
floor
that
the
boys
were
playing
basketball
on.
So
we
had
the
tape
and
you're
right
director
stone.
It
does
cause
problems
before
we
get
too,
and
there
really
was
no
difference
between
the
gloss
semi-gloss
and
whatever
finish
people
like
to
have
the
shiniest
floor
possible.
H
Another
thing
we
need
to
consider
we're
putting
in
new
lights,
which
could
totally
change
the
dynamic
of
that
when
you're
playing
pickleball
as
opposed
to
other
sports
in
a
gym.
Your
basketball,
you're,
looking
down
the
court
you're
dribbling
but
you're
looking
down
the
court
pickleball
you're
down
here,
you
know
very
close
and
you
get
that
glare.
H
This
might
be
a
golden
opportunity,
but
since
we're
going
to
screen
that
floor
and
that's
the
process,
we
take
all
that
off
to
possibly
repaint
so
that
we
minimize
the
necessity
of
putting
tape
down
which
would
take
which
would
take
a.
We
need
to
take
an
inventory
of
what
sports
are
played
on
those
courts
and
put
the
appropriate
lines
down
the
painting
first
and
then
the
finish
goes
over
the
top.
H
M
I
I
agree
I
mean
I
would
rather
have
the
sports
that
are
going
to
be
played
in
that
facility
painted
beforehand
and
then
finished
to
your
question
on
the
shiny
finish
you
know,
another
benefit
or
another
in
the
cleaning
of
the
floor
is
is
important,
particularly
when
you
know
there's
a
significant
amount
of
body
fluids
that
fall
onto
the
floor,
and
so
in
some
benefit
some.
M
I
I
I'm
not
entirely
sure,
but
I
believe
that
you
know
that
high
class
finish
makes
it
easier
to
remove
that
versus
a
matte
finish
that
that
maybe
is
a
bit
more
permeable
and
a
little
bit
more
difficult
to
clean.
But
that
said,
I
will
check
into
the
a
more
matte
finish.
B
E
My
customers,
like
invite
you
about
the
lighting
that
came
up
with
staff
this
morning
and
the
new
led
lighting
is
going
to
go
in
soon.
I
believe
this
weekend,
they're
going
to
start
working
on
that
or
at
least
very
soon.
So
to
your
point,
you
know,
looking
at
the
lighting
condition
in
there
after
getting
the
led
lights
in
will
be
important
to
look
at
at
you
know,
glare
from
the
surface
than
anything
else.
E
I
was
at
the
logan
chieftain
center
for
volleyball
this
past
weekend
and
they
have
all
led
lighting
and
it
was
amazing
to
see
how
lit
up
that
place
was
with
led
it's
a
massive
facility.
You
know,
but
I
think
they're
gonna
there's
going
from
a
lighting
perspective.
There's
gonna
be
a
mass
massive
improvement
within
the
community
center
basketball
court,
volleyball
courts,
pickleball
courts
in
particular.
E
We
can
look
at
the
finish
and
see
what's
acceptable
or
not.
I
would
agree
with
director
stone
is
that
you
know
the
ability
to
remove
body
fluids
from
that
floor
effectively.
You
know
different
finishes
may
affect
that
somewhat,
but
we
can
certainly
see
what
best
practices
are
out
there
and
see
what
we
can
do.
B
Thank
you
mayor
president
nicely
that
completes
finance
and
personnel.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Councilman.
A
I
I
Okay
good
evening,
we
have
just
two
items
on
our
city
and
safety
services
committee
tonight
and
that
agenda.
I
Those
agenda
items
are
both
related
to
sewer
projects,
starting
with
project
number
317
for
city
county
sewer
expansion,
and
I
understand
that
this
is
an
opportunity
for
us
to
make
some
helpful
upgrades
and
I'll
turn
to
our
city
safety
services.
Director.
M
Sure
so,
project
317
and
then
ultimately,
project
330,
which
is
not
on
tonight's
agenda
but
we'll
be
on
a
future
agenda,
are
two
related
projects,
and
these
are
our
improvements.
You
know
large
improvements
made
to
the
city
collection
system
to
be
able
to
take
on
the
sewage
that
will
come
from
the
county
sewer
project,
that's
currently
under
construction
to
the
southwest
portion
of
the
city,
that
project
and
and
this
this
body
authorized
an
agreement
with
the
county
to
take
and
treat
the
sewage.
M
You
know
I
think,
five
years
ago
now
so
this
has
been
ongoing,
really
and
and
the
project
has
been
ongoing
since
the
end
of
the
1990s
we're
you
know,
we've
been
talking
about
this
as
a
as
a
as
a
goal.
M
One
of
the
things
that
we're
doing
is
taking
advantage
of
the
fact
that
that
we
are
borrowing
through
the
epa
on
what
they
call
a
regionalization
load,
which
is
one-time
money
associated
with
a
a
system,
regionalizing
and
and
they're
very
good
terms
in
order
to
promote
the
regionalization
of
sewer
projects
and
sewer
systems,
as
opposed
to
a
bunch
of
individual
password
systems.
M
In
this
case,
it's
40
years
at
zero
percent.
So
it's
you
know
you,
don't
you
don't
get
financing
like
that
and
so
we're
trying
to
do
as
much
as
we
possibly
can.
So
these
numbers
in
the
coming
weeks
are
going
to
seem
relatively
large,
but
in
the
grand
scheme
of
things
this
is
kind
of
a
one
shot
at
this
this
this
money.
M
In
order
to
do
improvements
that
we're
going
to
need
to
do
to
our
system,
regardless
of
whether
or
not
we
were
taking
on
the
county
or
not
so,
317
projects
specifically
allows
for
sewage
to
come
across
the
southwest
portion
of
the
city,
basically
from
the
intersection
of
north
blackburn
and
stagecoach
road
across
the
ridge's
tier
two
land
through
the
back
of
the
summit
at
coach
ron,
apartment,
complex
and
then
down
to
dairy
lane
and
then
on
into
richland
avenue,
as
well
as
come
in
from
elliottsville
road
along
dairy
lane
and
upsize.
M
M
So
we've
for
a
number
of
years
wanted
to
build
a
water
line
to
have
the
a
higher
size
line
that
our
larger
size
line
that
we
could
provide
fire
protection
so
we're
taking
advantage
of
the
fact
that
we're
already
doing
a
sewer
project
to
put
water
line
in
as
well
and
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
do
some
pedestrian
improvements
really
out
to
the
city
limits
or
really
out
to
not
necessarily
the
city
limits,
but
at
least
to
the
where
the
317
board
is
as
part
of
that
project.
M
So
right
now
all
we're
going
to
do
is
authorize
me
to
advertise
bids
for
construction
and
construction
engineering,
and
we
won't
seek
an
appropriation
until
we
get
those
bids
and
that's
a
little
different
than
other
projects
that
we
that
we
do
and
it's
a
very
specific
process
that
the
epa
requires
as
part
of
this
financing
once
the
bids
come
in,
there'll
be
a
resolution
of
tentative
award
and
then
there's
also
be
an
ordinance
to
accept
the
easements
authorized.
M
Construction
and
construction
engineering
authorize
me
to
award
the
bids
and
enter
into
the
contracts
for
construction
and
construction
engineering
and
appropriate
those
funds.
So
this
is
just
to
advertise
at
that
point.
It's
a
special
process
for
the
for
the
epa
and
I'll
get
I'll
get
the
remainder
of
those
pieces
of
legislation,
probably
a
little
bit
later
in
the
month
of
may.
I
L
L
M
It
would
probably
be
best
for
us
to
sit
down
outside
of
you,
know
a
city
council
meeting
and
go
over
specifics
on
the
project.
Like
that,
the
the
you
know
this
is
primarily
a
utilities
project.
The
pedestrian
components
are
a
real
small
portion
of
it
and
exactly
how
we
get
across
that
bridge
is
something
that
we
start
to
sort
out.
I
can
show
you
on
a
map
and
I'll
do
so
and
then,
if
you
want
to
bring
it
to
this
committee
in
a
future
meeting,
we
can
do
that.
Yeah.
M
Two
bridges
on
dairy
lane
right
now,
there's
the
bridge
that
we
did
several
years
ago
and
then
there's
a
smaller
bridge,
that's
closer
to
the
city
as
it
stands
now
and
neither
will
have
changes
to
it.
We
think
we
can
work
around
them,
particularly
on
the
first
one.
But
again
it
would
be
better
for
me
to
show
you
on
a
on
a
map.
I
M
We
typically
will
hire
a
firm
to
monitor
those
and
then,
if
there
have
to
be
changes
or
design
changes
along
the
way
because
of
unanticipated
things,
things
under
the
ground,
anytime,
you're
working
under
the
ground,
you
run
into
situations
like,
for
instance,
weak
soils
might
have
to
have
some
redesign
of
an
undercut
or
something
along
those
lines,
and
that
is
typically
what's
included
in
the
construction
engineering
contract.
H
I
want
to
make
sure
I
understand
this
bid
process
correctly,
because
it
sounds
like
it's
the
bidding
that
I'm
most
familiar
with,
and
that
is
in
this
case
you're,
going
to
put
out
there
that
we
want
to
run
sewer
line
or
lines
from
point
a
to
point
b.
We
want
to
run
water
lines
from
point
a
to
point
b.
Give
us
a
price
functionally.
Yes,
as
opposed
to
council,
has
said
we're
going
to
spend
this
much
money
now
bid
on
it.
H
M
Will
still
put
a
an
engineer's
estimate
by
law,
we're
required
to
have
an
engineer's
opinion
of
probable
cost
and
then
we're
not
allowed
to
award
greater
than
ten
percent
over
what
that
engineer's
opinion,
probably
cost
is
so
a
a
contractor
bidding
will
know.
You
know.
M
The
dollar
amount
that
we're
allowed
to
award
to
this
project
is
probably
in
the
five
million
dollar
range
when
everything's
said
and
done,
which
will
come
from
from
seven
five:
zero
fund,
seven
four
zero
fund
and
probably
either
220
or
or
572
fund
for
the
transportation
portion
of
it.
M
The
majority
of
that
money
will
be
through
that
zero
zero
percent
interest
loan
over
the
40-year
mortgage
period
and
that
loan
would
go
into
the
five
I'm
sorry
the
the
750
fund,
the
the
sewer
fund,
specifically
for
the
water
portion
of
it.
We
will
not
take
a
loan
on
we'll
use
cash
on
hand
and
the
unappropriated
balance
likewise
for
the
street
improvements
as
well.
M
M
The
only
other
note
on
it
is,
like
I
said,
the
other
half
of
this
project,
which
basically
upgrades
the
lift
station
at
richland
avenue
in
682
and
gets
the
force
main
underneath
the
river
to
hit
the
trunk
line
and
then
also
upgrades
the
lift
station
on
route
56
and
then
bring
sewage
into
the
city
or
further
into
the
city
across
the
river
on
that
side
of
the
city
and
then
down
to
the
trunk
line
by
pedent
stadium
via
air
force.
M
Main
is
project
330,
and
that's
one
that
I
will
come
and
talk
to
you
about
here
in
an
upcoming
upcoming
session
as
well,
and
that's
probably
the
other
half
of
this,
which
is
probably
another
five
million
dollars,
plus
or
minus.
When
and
again
it's
all
part
of
that
regionalization
loan
that
we
will
be
taking.
M
So
we
recently
bid
a
project,
and
you
know
we
had.
This
was
the
second
time
we
bid
it.
M
We
previously
had
appropriated
money
and
bid
it
and
we
had
a
a
low
bidder
and
we
sought
to
award
it
and
the
low
bidder
backed
out
of
it
before
we
could
award
the
project,
basically
determined
that
they
couldn't
couldn't
do
the
work,
so
we
rebid
it
and
what
this
project
does
is
takes
our
telemetry
system
and
what
our
telemetry
system
is
is
the
is
the
supervisory
controls
and
data
acquisition
system
that
runs
the
remote
sites.
M
Our
system
started
in
1990,
where
we
kind
of
moved
into
this
into
the
system
and
have
subsequently
kept
it
together.
Over
the
years,
we've
been
upgrading
it
over
really
the
last
five
to
eight
years,
and
this
project
allows
us
to
untangle
the
water
and
wastewater
side
entirely.
So
we
have
a
bid
that
we
have
money
already
appropriated
for
for
about
530
thousand
dollars,
that's
already
in
place.
M
It
was
a
good
bid
and
we're
happy
with
it.
In
that
bid,
we
bid
two
different
alternates
that
would
tackle
a
couple
of
the
smaller
lift
stations
that
are
out
there
and
go
ahead
and
upgrade
those
as
well,
there's
not
enough
money
in
place
to
award
those
alternates
and
so
we're
seeking
an
additional
235
thousand
dollars.
Since
we
do
have
good
bids
to
go
ahead
and
award
those
alternates
and
those
lift
stations.
M
There's
about
six
of
them,
and
I
can
show
you
on
a
map
where
they
are
but
they're
smaller
ones
that
are
kind
of
around
the
periphery
of
the
city
and
that'll.
Allow
us
to
get
all
of
the
lift
stations
on
the
sewer
side
on
its
own
separate,
detangled,
telemetry
system
and
then
all
of
the
controllers
and
such
inside
the
various
stations
upgraded.
A
F
Thank
you.
Madam
president,
the
transportation
committee
has
only
two
items:
university
of
state's
bike
path,
spur
project,
number,
348,
repair
and
ad
hoc
committee
on
pedestrian
accessibility,
which
will
be
a
presentation.
So
last
week
I
met
with
our
two
city
engineers,
and
we
went
over
a
very
detailed
presentation
of
the
the
problem.
F
That's
happened
at
the
university
of
state's
bicycle
spur
path
and
the
type
of
of
work
that's
going
to
be
involved
in
order
to
repair
not
just
the
bicycle
path
itself,
but
also
the
slopes
and
trying
to
mitigate
the
potential
impact
of
that
area,
slipping
which
it.
It
is
my
own
background.
I
believe
it
or
not.
I'm
a
geologist
at
least
that's
what
my
master's
degree
says.
I
am,
and
I've
had
a
little
bit
of
experience
with
this
type
of
thing.
F
I
used
to
work
with
the
epa
worked
on
libya
for
gaddafi,
doing
stuff
like
this,
so
the
gist
of
it
that
was
coming
down
to
it
is
just
when
you
think
something
can't
really
be
worse
than
what
you
heard
it
is
it.
It
certainly
has
the
potential
to
be
so.
I'd
like
to
ask
the
city
service
safety
director,
with
his
engineering
expertise
of
what
it's
going
to
take
to
not
only
take
care
of
the
the
immediate
repair,
but
any
future
problems
to
mitigate
those.
M
Sure,
thank
you,
member
eisner.
You
know
the
university
states
continues
to
be
the
gift
that
keeps
on
giving
in
the
late
90s
when
the
area
was
annexed,
and
that
subdivision
was
at
least
initially
envisioned.
The
city
council
struck
a
a
development
agreement
and
approved
a
development
agreement,
and
one
of
the
things
that
the
council
approved
at
the
time
was
that
the
city
would
build
a
bike
path,
spur
to
the
to
the
development
and
and
seek
grants
to
do
so.
M
I
think,
is
what
was
in
that
original
development
agreement,
and
we
did
so
over
a
three-phase
project.
M
We
built
a
section
of
bike
path
in,
I
want
to
say
2010
that
got
us
across
the
river
on
the
old
railroad
bridge
a
few
years
after
acquired
some
land
from
the
former
hope
family
and
built
the
spur
that
goes
past
where
little
fish
currently
is
now
and
then
subsequently
built
the
last
section
a
few
years
ago,
that
goes
on
up
to
university
states
boulevard
and
goes
up
the
most
difficult
portion,
which
is
up
the
hill.
M
That
slope
has
been
disturbed
previously,
not
only
to
build
the
water
line
that
goes
to
university
states,
but
also
for
the
underground
electric
that
runs
up
that
ravine
for
those
of
you
who
are
familiar
with
the
area
and
so
disturbed
ground.
You
know,
coupled
with
the
fact
that
there's
some
under
you
know
underground
drainage
issues
and
groundwater
that
continues
to
lubricate.
The
fader
plane
has
caused
a
fairly
significant
slip
to
move
there
and
to
continue
to
move
which
is
common
in
southeastern
ohio.
M
What
we're
seeking
at
this
point
is
an
appropriation
of
an
additional
650
thousand
dollars
to
do
about
three
things.
Number
one
do
a
drilled,
pure
retaining
wall
which
will
allow
us
to
arrest
movement
and
protect
both
the
path
or
the
spur,
as
well
as
the
water
line
that
serves
that
particular
area.
A
drill
pier
retaining
wall
is
kind
of
a
100
percent.
You
know
solution
that
that
will
guarantee
that
it
won't
continue
to
move,
not
unlike
what
we've
done
in
other
places
along
roadways
in
the
city.
M
If
you
take
a
look
at
those
those
big
high
beams
that
are
drilled
into
the
ground
with
lagging
in
between
them,
so
that
will
keep
both
the
the
the
path
itself,
as
well
as
the
water
line,
from
moving
any
further
addition
to
that
which
will
definitely
be
bid.
We're
going
to
seek
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
so
500
50
thousand
dollars
for
that
drill
period.
M
Retaining
wall,
another
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
some
work
that
both
the
city
staff
will
perform
as
well
as
direct
contract
without
bidding
for
some
improvements
on
both
the
upper
slope
above
the
path
and
the
lower
slope
down
near
the
creek
to
also
arrest
movement.
And
so
I've
got
some
cost
estimates.
If
anyone
wants
to
get
into
the
into
the
weeds
on
this.
But
we
think
this
is
the
right
answer
as
much
as
I
didn't
want
to
do
this,
because
I'm
tired
of
spending
money
on
on
that
path.
M
Frankly,
but
you
know
we
build
it:
we're
committed
to
continue
to
keep
it
in
good
shape
and
make
it
usable,
and
we
also
have
to
protect
that
water
line.
So
that's
what
we're
seeking.
F
Well,
one
of
the
things
I
got
of
our
the
conversations
I
had
with
the
engineers
was
that
it's
just
just
not
the
potential
and
real
damage
to
the
bicycle
path
is
as
important
as
that
is.
But
if
the
slope
continues
to
move,
it
will
take
the
water
line
out
and
it'll
take
the
electric
lines
out
and
if
that
happens,
then
you
really
do
have
a
serious
problem.
You're
not
just
worried
about
people
not
being
able
to
bike.
F
Now
you're
worried
about
people
being
able
to
actually
drink
water,
flush,
the
toilet,
fire
protection,
electricity
and
so
on,
and
then
add
to
that
the
fact
that
the
slope
is
continuing
to
eat
its
way
back
up
the
hill
and
down
again.
So
I
really
don't
see
how
we
have
much
choice
on
this
other
members
of
council
committee
member
scott.
H
So
I
guess
I've
got
google
earth
up
here,
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
what,
where
you're
talking
about.
Are
we
talking
about
this
area
right
here
this
this
right
up
here
I
can
show.
G
H
It
seems
like
a
crazy
place
to
put
a
bike
back
to
me.
I
would
come
down
university
states
get
down
to
the
bottom,
where
it's
flat
come
around
this
little
flat
area
right
here,
where
the
trailer
used
to
be
your
arm
at
each
road
boom
away
you
go.
Would
it
be
possible
to
separate
the
two
make
this
the
the
the
water
project
you're
talking
about?
H
Looking
at
this
we're
talking
less
than
100
yards
of
bike
bath?
We
would
need
if
we
come.
If
you
go
almost
if
you're
on
university
states,
almost
all
the
way
to
682
okay
and
it
gets
real
flat
down
there,
you
would
cut
across
the.
I
don't
know
what
north
south
east
west.
I
don't
see
a
thing
on
here.
You
would
run
parallel
to
682.
We
don't
want
to
dump
people
on
682..
You
run
parallel
to
682,
takes
you
over
to
harmony's
road
right
there
by
that
house.
E
H
E
E
You
know
two
years
ago
we
had
to
do
the
same
thing
on
columbia,
where
we
had
a
slippage
taking
place
and
we
had
to
put
an
engineered
retaining
wall,
basically
shoring
up
of
a
sewer
line
that
runs
through
that
particular
neighborhood
and,
I
believe,
cost
close
to
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
that,
and
that
was
a
run
that
was,
as
I
recall,
shorter
than
this
particular
location
to
to
make
sure
that
we're
preserving
the
water
line,
that's
servicing
the
university
of
states.
E
I
hear
what
you're
saying
about
an
alternative
way
to
get
there,
but
I
don't
see
that
solving
the
problem
with
the
underground
utilities
that
we've
gotta
armor
with
something
that
is
just
constantly
slipping.
You
know,
I
I
don't
disagree
with
director
stone's
earlier
comments.
You
know
we
have
put.
We
have
put
a
lot
of
money
into
a
lot
of
issues
that
we've
experienced
up.
There.
E
We've
experienced
a
lot
of
slippage
that
has
occurred
in
water
line,
breaks
right
along
the
boulevard
university
boulevard,
university
estates,
boulder
and
and
it's
we're
going
to
continue
to
experience
things
like
that.
And
unfortunately,
it's
just
because
of
the
the
soils,
the
soils
that
are
up
there
on
that
project.
H
Take
we'll
take
a
lot
of
tour.
Yes,
we'll
take
what
you
call
that
field
trip
field
trip.
F
Other
members
of
transportation
questions
other
members
of
council
member
stillness.
G
Well,
well,
I
I
live
in
university
of
state
boulevard,
or
some
of
you
know-
and
I
was
so
excited
when
I
moved
in
that
we
were
going
to
have
this
great
bike
path
and
we
waited
and
it
was
took
a
long
time
to
build
and
everything
and
it
got
got
built
and
I
was
so
excited.
I
went
up
and
down
there
and
it
was
wonderful
for
about
two
months
and
then
it
started
falling
apart.
G
I
mean
it
was
terrible
and
now
I
wish
I
had
pictures
I
thought
of
bringing
some,
but
I
thought
maybe
somebody
had
them.
It's
really
a
mess.
I
mean
it's,
it's
very
bad.
It's
getting
worse,
seemingly
by
the
day,
there's
a
fence
along
there,
that's
falling
down,
there's
you
know,
exposed
under
earth
and
it's
dangerous.
It's
just
flat
out
dangerous.
G
M
Did
you
propose
to
take
the
property?
Do
a
I
have
a
domain
action
and
take
a
property
along
682
to
go
across
because
that's
private,
I
believe
it's
a
company
in
california.
Oh.
M
You
know,
I
think
we're
going
to
have
to
do
a
drill
p,
retaining
wall
regardless
to
protect
the
water
line.
There's
not
a
way
that
I
can
protect
that
water
line
without
doing
the
drill,
pier
retaining
wall
unless
we're
going
to
put
the
water
line
somewhere
else,
and
then
we're
talking
a
several
million
dollar
project.
Probably
so,
unfortunately,
you
know
we
live
in
a
slippy
terrain
and
it's
been
disturbed
a
couple
times
with
the
installation,
electric
line
with
the
installation
of
the
water
line
and
now
with
the
installation
of
the
pad.
M
It
also
is
the
flattest
grade
to
get
to
the
point
that
it
accesses
university
states,
boulevard,
university
states,
boulevard
itself
is
actually
steeper
in
portions.
Prior
to
this
I
know
at
the
top
of
it.
It
gets
a
little
bit
steep,
but
you
know
looking
at
being
able
to
try
to
cover.
You
know
we
try
not
to
go
more
than
five
percent.
M
Obviously,
it
is
more
than
five
percent,
because
that's
just
the
nature
of
that
particular
portion
of
the
city
to
get
up
it,
and
so
that
was
why
a
route
was
originally
envisioned
through
that
particular
that
particular,
which
is
also
city
property.
F
Saying
none
we'll
move
on
ad
hoc
committee
on
pedestrian
accessibility.
F
N
You
member
raised
here
so
would.
N
That
my
name
is
diane
bouvier
and
I
know
many
of
you
not
all
of
you,
but
I
used
to
work
at
the
university
and
I
retired
a
couple
years
ago,
and
I
am
now
chairing
the
pedestrian
accessibility
committee,
and
you
probably
know
that
this
committee
was
born
of
a
resolution
that
passed
in
december
last
year
under
aryans
medley,
and
we
are
the
we
are
the
product
of
that
resolution.
N
Neil
ryan
and
stephanie
hunter,
so
we
have
five
official
members
and
one
unofficial
member
and
one
of
the
things
I
wanted
to
comment
on
about
the
membership.
This
is
our
first
time
meeting
with
you
and
part
of
the
resolution
is
that
we
would
meet
with
council
four
times.
N
I
think
it's
really
interesting
that
there
is
representation
from
all
the
different
groups:
city
administration,
community
members-
I
serve
on
the
disabilities,
commission
and
the
city
council
and
ou,
and-
and
I
think
that
that
actually
speaks
to
part
of
what
we're
trying
to
do,
and
that
is
create
a
collaboration
where
we
can
come
up
with
solutions
around
our
sidewalks
to
make
them
more
accessible.
N
N
We
really
we've
done
a
number
of
things,
but
in
general,
we've
developed
a
process
that
we
want
to
follow
because
we're
supposed
to
have
something
in
place
by
the
end
of
the
year.
We've
done
a
lot
of
research.
We've
read
that
we've
read
the
reports
on
pedestrian
and
bicycles.
The
comprehensive
plan
we've
tried
to
look
at
relevant
laws.
Both
city
state
and
federal.
N
We've
tried
to
look
at
what
issues
pedestrians
have
had
that
people
have
had
in
the
past.
Around
building
except
building
sidewalks
we've
been
collecting
ideas
from
best
practices
around
the
country
and
internationally,
thanks
to
stephanie,
we've
been
looking
at
safety
and
accessibility
and
what
it
is
that
makes
good
walkways.
N
So
we
met
with
the
engineers
to
talk
about
their
operations,
to
learn
a
little
bit
more
about
odot
and
the
ada
and
how
they
work
together,
and
so
that's
been
our
first
quarter
and
now
I'm
just
gonna
pass
us
so
everyone
there
are
a
few
of
us
that
are
gonna,
be
speaking
tonight,
so
I'm
gonna
pass
it
on
to
my
colleagues.
O
Hello,
so
one
of
the
first
things
we've
discussed
is
who
is
a
pedestrian,
so
everyone
in
athens
is
a
pedestrian
because
all
of
our
trips
at
home
begin
and
end
on
foot
pedestrians
can
roll
in
wheelchairs
and
strollers
use
mobility
devices
such
as
walkers
and
canes.
They
can
be
a
child
on
a
tricycle
or
even
an
adult
who
doesn't
feel
comfortable
riding
their
bicycle
in
the
street.
O
O
O
There
we
go
the
roadside,
the
building
wall,
the
canopy
and
the
ground
plane,
and
it
includes
things
like
shade:
trees,
retaining
walls,
lamp
posts,
benches,
trash
cans,
ramps
stairs
the
roads
we
walk
next
to
if
it
touches
the
sidewalk,
it's
pedestrian
infrastructure,
just
as
the
same
as
with
roads,
because
that's
what
cyborgs
are
they're
just
roads
for
people
walking
is
the
cheapest
most
available,
most
reliable,
transform
mode
possible.
O
O
Whatever
our
age
is
sidewalks
are
where
we
turn
neighbors
into
friends.
Thirty
percent
of
americans
do
not
drive
and
they
deserve
dignity
when
they
walk.
All
of
us
here
need
and
deserve
a
safe,
pleasant,
pedestrian
infrastructure
that
takes
us
where
we
want
to
go,
and
we
can
do
it.
We
just
have
to
make
it
the
priority.
It
should
be.
Oh
there's
another
slide
there.
O
Sorry
and
next
is
okay.
G
All
right,
thank
you,
stephanie!
Thank
you,
diane,
okay,
so
as
part
of
this,
this
is
a
draft
of
a
vision
statement
and
a
vision
is
essentially
a
commitment
to
the
future.
How
we
imagine
what
we'd
like
to
see
our
sidewalks
and
pedestrian
infrastructure
to
be
so.
The
city
of
athens
inspires
to
create
and
maintain
complete,
environmentally
responsible
streetscapes
that
prioritize
pedestrian
safety,
mobility,
access
and
dignity,
while
fostering
community
connections
in
public
spaces
through
allowing
all
people
a
full
choice
of
transit
modes.
G
G
G
We're
looking
at
community
input
we're
going
to
try
to
look
at
perhaps
surveys
and
other
ways
of
determining
how
the
community
feels
about
pedestrian,
shared
path,
infrastructure
issues,
barriers
and
solutions.
Even
things
like
you
know,
ice
on
the
sidewalk
that
comes
up
a
lot.
As
you
know,
we
want
to
prioritize
and
establish
timelines
and
funding
options
for
sidewalk
infrastructure,
upgrades
maintenance
and
repairs.
That
was
part
of
something
very
important
that
we
heard
from
administration
and
we
want
to
recommend
short
and
long-term
strategies,
policies
and
guidelines.
P
I'm
rob
black.
I
think
I
think
you
all
know
me
back
here
a
bit
so
part
of
what
we've
been
trying
to
do
is
gather
information
about
the
current
condition
or
what
the
current
state
is
and
gathered
data
about
that.
P
So
one
thing
that
I
think
is
interesting
statistic
is
that
athens
is
a
quote
somewhat
walkable
city
based
on
the
walk
score
rating,
which
is
the
fourth
best
in
the
state
of
ohio,
now
caveat
on.
That
is
a
couple
caveats
one.
Is
that
there's
not
a
lot
of
real
competition
for
us
honestly
and,
secondly,
that
score
doesn't
take
in
condition
of
the
the
infrastructure,
so
it
just
they
see
that
there's
lots
of
sidewalks
in
athens.
P
People
can
walk
to
where
they
need
to
go,
and
so
it's
got
a
pretty
decent
rating
because
of
that,
but
we
do
have
a
lot
of
work
to
do.
The
third
highest
walk
commuting
raid
united
states.
This
I
didn't
know
until
like
a
week
ago
myself,
I
didn't
realize
the
statistic
over
about
about
a
third
of
athens
commutes
by
walking.
P
I
think
ithaca
new
york
was
one
that
would
rate
a
little
higher
than
us,
and
I
forget
the
other
city,
another
big
college
town.
So
I
think
one
thing
to
keep
in
mind
here
with
that
is
that's
not
just
students
really.
P
It
is
a
lot
of
students
clearly,
but
it's
a
lot
of
other
people
that
are
walking
in
the
city
too,
and
so
equity
is
certainly
an
issue
here
that
that
comes
to
mind
that
we
need
to
be
paying
attention
to
here
and
it's
a
good
reason
to
be
fixing
our
sidewalks
and
making
it
safe
and
easy
to
walk
in
our
city.
P
P
so
about
38
miles
of
linear
sidewalk
along
those
roads
is
approximately.
That
number
is
just
slightly
low.
I
think-
and
that's
from
these
engineers
data
they've
collected.
The
other
numbers
here
are
numbers
that
I've
gathered
by
mapping
the
data
using
openstreetmap
to
try
and
fill
in
some
of
the
gaps
and
gather
information
about
other
things.
We
didn't
have
any
data
on
next
slide.
The
first
bullet
here
is
the
engineer's
rating
that
was
done
in
2019
of
the
sidewalks
there's
38
miles
of
sidewalks
in
the
city.
You'll
see
that
about
eight
percent
were
poor.
P
We
don't
know
exactly
the
criteria
they
use.
Yet
we
ask
those
kind
of
questions
to
get
some
specific
answers,
but
it
seems
like
that
is
more
or
less
that
there's
trip
hazards,
it's
not
a
good
place
to
walk.
Even
fair
rating
here
seems
to
be
that
it's
not
necessarily
accessible.
So
it's
probably
pretty
walkable,
but
there
are
issues,
maybe
an
inch
gap
on
the
sidewalk
or
something
like
that
that
makes
it
inaccessible
for
somebody
with
a
wheelchair.
P
So
that's
the
initial
sort
of
rough
about
25
of
our
sidewalks
are
inaccessible.
At
this
point.
That
number
has
got
to
be
low,
though,
because
it
doesn't
take
into
account
other
factors
like
slopes
cross
slopes
across
the
sidewalk
for
driveway
aprons.
That
makes
many
sidewalks
inaccessible
as
well,
and
the
lack
of
curb
cuts
on
many
places
in
the
city
as
well,
so
there's
certainly
more
than
24
that
are
actually
impacted
and
inaccessible.
It
only
takes
one
break
in
the
network
to
make
it
inaccessible,
otherwise
could
be
perfect
one
break
and
you
can't
get
through.
P
So
one
thing
just
to
point
out
that
we've
found
looking
at
the
data
closely
is
ward
one
there's
a
couple
things
that
stood
out
here,
that
they
have
the
most
sidewalks
in
poor
condition
compared
to
the
other
wards,
and
also
the
most
curb
cuts
that
are
older,
curb
cuts
that
don't
have
a
tactile
grid
and
are
not
necessarily
accessible,
fully
accessible
meeting
ada
compliance
standards,
in
other
words,
so
ward,
one
definitely
has
older
infrastructure
and
infrastructure
that
needs
addressing
at
a
greater
rate
than
the
other
awards.
P
At
this
point,
and
that's
just
from
some
initial
assessment
here,
so
the
current
situation,
like
we
mentioned
that
that
walk
score
56
out
of
100,
is
that
number
doesn't
sound,
very
high
right
but
again
we're
fourth
in
the
state
somewhat
walkable.
One
thing
I
like
to
say
and
I'd
like
to
encourage
you
all
you
get
to
know
things
better
as
they
go
by
slow
and
you
get
to
know
your
city
better
by
walking
it.
So
I
really
encourage
you,
as
council
members,
to
take
the
time
to
walk
your
wards.
P
It's
harder
to
walk
your
the
whole
city,
if
you're
a
city-wide
representative,
but
take
that
time
when
you
have
you
know,
have
opportunities
to
walk
the
city.
You
really
get
to
see,
what's
going
on,
not
just
and
plus
meet
people
and
the
social
aspects
as
well,
but
seeing
the
infrastructure
is
certainly
something
that's,
I
think
helpful
and
educational
here
and
I'm
not
getting
into
details
here.
Just
two
quick
sort
of
teaser
images
from
some
of
the
gis
data.
P
So
the
one
on
the
left
is
the
city
engineers,
that's
their
assessment
in
a
red,
amber
green
color,
so
that
you
can
easily
see
what
is
poor,
very
poor,
fair
or
good.
In
this
case
and
there's
curb
ramps
map
there
as
well
the
sidewalks.
So
there's
there's
a
fair
amount
of
data
here
available
that
they've
created
from
2019.
P
The
data
on
the
right
is
data.
That's
not
just
sidewalks,
but
it's
focusing
more
on
the
crosswalks
and
curb
cuts
and
those
are
and
curves
where
they're
missing
and
that's
data
that
I've
been
gathering
using
openstreetmap
and
mapping.
That
and
then
the
numbers
I
showed
on
the
other
slide,
770
curb
ramps
in
the
city
that
I've
mapped.
P
N
N
N
F
H
One
of
the
things
in
your
very
very
early
slides
dealt
with
existing
sidewalks,
so
this
and
you
can
ask
a
million
questions,
but
you've
done
a
good
job
to
date
and
I'm
looking
forward
to
august
8th,
but
one
of
the
questions
I
have-
and
this
may
be
getting
the
cart
before
the
horse.
H
N
N
N
H
We
had
a
resident
from
ward
4
point
out
a
program
that
he
was
familiar
with.
I
believe
in
the
canton
area,
where,
when
a
sidewalk
needs
to
be
replaced,
it's
a
shared
expense
between
the
city
and
the
resident
and
they
supposedly,
according
to
this
resident,
I
haven't
been
to
canton
to
walk
their
sidewalks.
Lately,
hacking.
Yes,
I
can,
but
supposedly
it
had
a
tremendous
impact
on
the
improvement
of
their
existing
sidewalk
structure.
N
E
E
You
know
we
have
a
corner
there
with
a
rather
large
historic
tree
with
its
root
structure,
and
we
also
have
a
very
high
curb.
So
there
are
challenges
of
of
the
grading
of
some
of
these
areas,
and
then
we
also
have
several
locations
where,
in
particular
on
the
west
side,
where
we
have
sidewalks
that
begin
or
end
with
steps
and
again
a
lot
of
it
is
due
to
the
topography
in
that
area
not
insurmountable
to
correct.
But
it's
you
know
it's
challenges
that
we
see
in
in
some
of
the
areas.
G
Just
go
ahead:
okay,
yes,
just
real
quick,
so
remember
there
are,
the
law
does
require
certain
things,
and
so
one
of
the
things
that
we
have
to
be
aware
of
is
what
the
law
says
about
who
pays
for
it
and
how
and
that
can
be
different.
If
it's
a
charter
city
and
we're
not
so
we're
exploring
what's
possible
and
under
what
circumstances
we
could
possibly
do
a
sharing.
I
don't
know
not
sure
about
that.
Yet
so
we're
just
kind
of
exploring
what's
possible.
We
don't
want
to
make
a
statement.
That's
not
true!
G
F
Enough
other
members
of
the
committee
remember
grace
zip
other
members
of
council.
A
A
Getting
the
background,
the
detail,
information
and
knowing
you
know
these
differences
and
and
being
conscious
and
aware
of
you,
know
statutory
versus
the
the
charter,
cities
and
and
what
we
face
and
we're
just.
We
will
I'm
sure,
council
members
will
look
at
the
vision
and
the
goal
statements
and
get
back
with
you
on
that,
and
we
look
forward
to
the
to
the
august
8
update
and
well
we'll
hear
more
you'll
hear
more
from
us.
G
A
G
A
They
receive
the
powerpoint,
and
you
know
if
you,
if
you
want
a
deadline
by
the
next
time
you
meet
that
that
you
know
wouldn't
seem
to
be
reasonable.
G
I
think
it's
important
to
say
that
there
has
been
a
lot
of
effort
over
the
years
to
improve
our
sidewalks.
We've
seen
a
lot
of
great
things
with
our
sidewalks
but
again
to
address
what
member
swank
said.
There's
a
lot
of
really
old
sidewalks
and
things
have
changed
and
we
have
you
know
the
topography
is
complicated.
G
So
you
know
we
can't
address
everything
and
people
complain,
but
I
think
there's
been
a
lot
of
good
work
done
and
we
just
want
to
build
on
that
and
work
closely
with
the
administration
to
make
sure
that
whatever
solutions
or
recommendations
that
we
have
that
they
are
doable
and
that
the
administration
will
agree
that
it's
it's
workable.
So
as.
F
F
Does
the
committee
have
one
contact
person
that
counsel
could
then
send
our
suggestions
and
so
on?