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Athens City Council - September 12, 2022
A
Good
evening
and
welcome
to
athens
city
council,
it's
monday
september,
12th
at
7,
00
pm
and
tonight
we're
having
some
committee
meetings,
the
first
one
being
the
committee
of
the
whole.
I
do
have
a
slight
modification
in
the
agenda
and
that
we
had
originally
hoped
the
community
relations
commission
would
be
here
for
their
annual
report
and
they,
the
chair,
is
unable
to
be
here
tonight,
so
we'll
have
to
reschedule
that
at
a
later
time.
A
That
would
be
increasing,
and
so
thank
you
councilmember
grace
and
thanks
to
service
safety,
director
stone
and
his
departments,
they
have
reviewed
the
rates
and
deputy
service
safety
director
andrew
chickey
has
rep
prepared
a
fee
review
document
that
was
submitted
to
council
members
and
in
in
reviewing
this,
and
I
see
that
the
major
change
is
that
there
is
proposed
a
three
percent
increase
in
the
in
the
sewer
and
that
would
be
for
residential
and
for
residential
rates
and
also,
I
believe,
commercial
rates
and
one
other
item
that
I
did
notice.
A
B
Alarm
activation
fees,
I'm
going
to
make
the
assumption
these
are
for
false
alarms
or
maybe
mr
stone
could
describe
what
those
are
for.
A
C
There
is
some
color
coordination
here
and
you
know
I
know,
there's
multiple
colors
and
I
just
want
to
talk
about
what
each
color
means.
So,
if
you
see
the
red,
I'm
sorry,
the
orange
and
the
green,
those
are
situations
where
there
is
an
increase
to
the
existing
fees
that
are
in
title
one
and
that's
orange,
and
then,
if
that
fee
doesn't
exist
at
all
right
now
at
least
doesn't
exist
either
doesn't
exist
at
all
or
doesn't
exist
anywhere
in
our
codified
ordinances.
C
That's
in
green
with
regard
to
the
other
colors,
the
other
colors
are
are
situations
where
they
exist
in
other
portions
of
the
code,
but
not
in
title
one
so
red
or
that
pink
color.
C
It
exists
in
other
sections
of
the
code,
but
it
never
was
pulled
into
title
41
or
I'm
sorry,
title
one
rather,
which
is
where
we're
supposed
to
put
all
of
our
fees,
and
we've
been
trying
over
recent
years
to
clean
a
lot
of
this
stuff
up
and
have
it
so
that
all
the
fees
are
listed
in
one
and
then
that
that
last
kind
of
like
salmon
color-
maybe
it's
not
salmon.
I
don't
know
a
beige
color
down
at
the
end.
C
C
So
so,
if
we
go
back
to
remember
swank's
question
here
in
the
beginning
and
the
alarm
activation
fees
that
is
indeed
specific
for
false
alarms
and
so
right
now
those
false
alarm
fees
exist
and
they
show
in
in
310.04,
and
it
talks
about
doubling
if
people
fail
to
respond,
but
it
doesn't
make
any
reference
in
title
1
to
them
doubling
if
people
fail
to
failure
of
the
owner
to
respond.
C
So
basically
that's
a
question:
if,
if
and
that's
more
of
a
kind
of
an
administrative
question
and
then
a
question
the
clerk,
whether
or
not
we
think
we
should
explain
that,
should
that
doubling
if
the
owner
fails
to
respond
be
listed
in
in
title
one,
so
that's
the
the
first
little
section
there,
but
those
are
no
change
to
the
existing
fees.
The
next
one
is
a
water
rate
in,
and
this
is
an
addition.
C
This
is
a
fee
that
doesn't
exist
right
now,
so
right
now,
if
your
water
requires
to
be
shut
off
at
the
city,
shutoff
point,
whether
that
be
at
the
meter
or
curb
stop
or
in
some
instances
at
a
at
a
valve,
a
watch
valve
or
something
along
those
lines,
because
you
don't
have
any
kind
of
internal
shut
off
in
your
building.
C
You
can
call
after
hours
and
there's
a
fee
assessed
this
and
that
fee
is
50.
This
basically
says:
if
you
want
your
water
turned
back
on
after
hours,
that
same
fee
will
be
assessed
to
have
it
turn
back
on.
So
here's
an
example.
You
know
somebody
has
a
problem
in
their
house
and
their
water
is
running
all
over
their
house
and
on
friday
afternoon
they
get
a
plumber
and
their
plumber
goes
and
says:
hey
these
people
don't
have
any
shut
off
inside
their
house.
C
C
The
next
section,
as
president
nisly
noted,
are
the
increases
to
the
sewer
fees
and
we're
just
proposing
a
three
percent.
We
think
that's
appropriate,
given
the
current
balance
in
the
in
the
sewer
fund
and
the
sewer
debt
fund
looking
out
in
order
to
match
demand
on
both
operational
costs,
as
well
as
debt
service
costs
and
out
years,
the
next
section
there
where
it
talks
about
90206.
C
These
are
new
fees
that
don't
exist
right
now
in
title
one
but
they're
referred
to
in
another
ordinance
that
isn't
in
the
code
anywhere.
But
it
is
an
ordinance.
So,
for
instance,
o
4518
requires
an
open
burning
pit
permit
inspection,
but
it
doesn't
say
it
anywhere
in
the
code
and
so
that's
what
we're
proposing
here
in
90206
and
then
going
down
to
the
the
the
two
in
11..
C
C
It
was
increased
in
in
title
11,
but
it
didn't
get
increased
in
title
1
and
we
need
to
change
that
language
in
oh
29,
21
to
say
fee
established
by
separate
ordinance
down
at
11,
12
03,
that's
the
shared
transportation
and
that's
specifically,
it's
no
modification
to
the
fee.
But
it's
just
a
revision
to
the
to
the
title,
1
description,
so
in
title
1
we
would
change
the
name
of
that
or
change
the
the
way
it's
described.
C
The
application
fee,
plus
10
10
per
fleet
vehicle
and
really
what
we're
talking
about
here
are
like
the
bird
scooters
or
the
bird
bikes
and
basically
how
that
fee
is
assigned
and
what
it
says
correctly
and,
and
so
that
reflects
correctly
in
title
one,
the
next
one
29
1002
and
there's
two
of
these-
and
this
is
specifically
talking
about
when
people
want
to
have
something
inspected
just
for
purposes
of
having
it
inspected
like
an
optional
dwelling
unit.
C
There's
a
provision
to
do
that
in
our
code,
but
title
one
doesn't
doesn't
say
optional
dwelling
unit,
it
just
says
dwelling
unit
inspection,
and
so
when
we
refer
to
this
particular
provision
and
this
in
a
lot
of
cases,
there'll
be
someone
that
you
know
wants
a
code
inspection
because
a
bank
requires
it
and
so
a
code
inspector
will
go
out.
We'll
do
an
inspection,
we'll
issue.
You
know
basically
a
report
that
says
yeah.
It
meets
our
local
housing
code
and
then
there's
this.
C
There's
already
a
fee
assigned
for
that,
but
it
in
title
one
it
just
says
dwelling
unit,
it
doesn't
say
optional
drilling
in
it.
The
last
two
portions
to
president
nicely
point
point
about
the
the
celebration
tree.
This
allows
for
the
cost
of
the
tree.
C
That
hundred
dollars
was
a
cost
when
this
was
established,
so
trees
cost
more
today,
and
so
this
will
pay
to
put
the
tree
to
buy
the
tree
put
the
tree
in
the
ground
and
then
pay
for
maintenance
of
the
tree
for
one
year
and
then
the
last
portion
specifically
is
to
be
able
to
get
something
in
title,
one
that
wasn't
previously
listed
in
title
one
at
all,
which
is
the
micro
micro,
wireless
cell
towers
that
are
referred
to
in
title
49,
and
this
will
pull
that
fee
into
into
title
one.
C
A
Any
other
questions.
Council
members
feel
this.
B
Okay,
mr
stone
appreciate
that
back
up
to
310.04,
I
read
the
fire
reports,
as
I'm
sure
the
rest
of
council
members
do
each
each
week
and
we
have
quite
a
few
false
fire
alarms
in
a
given
week.
In
fact,
the
mayor
referenced
that
that
was
just
a
fraction.
The
one
day
I
cited
all
these,
so
multiple
questions
number
one:
how
do
we
collect
the
money
when
a
a
false
fire
alarm
is
activated.
C
So
we
passed
the
the
false
alarm
report
to
the
police
department,
so
the
fire
department
passes
it
to
the
police
department.
The
police
department
staff
who
do
ball
billings
for
false
burglar
alarms,
will
also
bill
for
false
fire
alarms
and
then
they'll
send
a
bill
to
the
individual
and
the
individual
will
will
either
pay
it
or
appeal
it,
and
if
they
appeal
it,
they'll
give
a
reason
why
they
appeal
it
and
we
can
evaluate
that.
B
So
if
you
were
to
since
we're
in
sports
season,
wager
and
educated
guess
since
you
have
been
service
safety
director,
what
do
you
think
that
figure
stands
at
today
without
interest?
It.
C
C
B
That's
a
significant
amount
of
money
because
again
we
all
read
those
every
week
as
a
former
dorm
director.
Well,
I
guess
the
technical
term
is
residence
hall
advisor.
B
I
know
how
many
those
go
off
and
if
we
are
going
to
charge
residents
or
landlords
or
property
owners
that
and
enforce
that.
Well,
let
me
ask
this:
what
happens
if
a
landlord
would
refuse
to
pay
that.
C
We
could
we
could
move
it
into
court
if
we
needed.
You
know
a
lot
of
cases.
If
there
is
a
false
alarm
fee
that
someone
is
refusing
to
pay.
You
know
they
typically
have
a
reason
like
they
have
a
an
appeal,
and
they
say
you
know
we
were
working
on
it.
It
went
off,
I
had
a
contractor
here
and
we
evaluate
those
on
a
case-by-case
basis.
I
don't
have
an
experience
right
now,
where
someone
just
blatantly
refuses
to
pay.
You
know,
that's
not
something
other
than
other
than
the
university
yeah.
Thank.
B
D
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Okay,
so
moving
down
to
the
vendor
license
fees.
What's
the
definition
of
vendor.
E
Yeah
there's
I
mean
to
partially
answer
that
question
in
code.
It
spells
out
the
difference
between
a
vendor
versus
a
peddler
versus
a
solicitor
and
off
top
of
my
head.
I
can't
yeah.
I
I'd
have
to
look
it
up
to
see
what
the
definition
is,
but
there
is,
they
are
clearly
defined
within
code
as
to
probably
differentiate
the
three
okay.
D
Okay,
thank
you
for
that.
I
do
have
another
question,
so
sometimes
the
landlords
do
not
their
apartments
fail
to
meet
codes,
and
so
there's
a
fee
for
that
is
that
included
in
here
somewhere
or
how
is
that-
and
I
know
that
sometimes
they
don't
always
address
the
violation.
C
You
know,
I
guess
I
would
kind
of
go
back
to
the
request
that
this
body
made
of
the
administration,
which
was
to
propose
all
of
the
fee
changes
at
once.
That's
not
a
fee
that
we
proposed
to
change,
so
I'm
not
necessarily
prepared
to
off
the
top
of
my
head
to
speak
to
that
exact
number
tonight,
but
I
can
get
that
information
and
provide
it
to
you.
So
your
question
specifically
is
the
fee.
If
there's
a
failure
to
or
if
there's
a
violation
of
the
housing
code,
specifically
title
29.
C
C
D
G
A
G
Crowl,
thank
you,
president
nicely.
Since
I've
been
on
council,
we've
been
talking
about
the
vendor
ordinance
and
the
vendors
in
the
city
of
athens
fairly
consistently
over
the
years.
I
don't
think
we
have
it
right.
G
I
asked
director
riggs
for
the
number
of
vendors
who
were
licensed
in
in
the
month
of
august
and
there
was
one
and
that
vendor
has
also
been
in
touch
with
with
some
council
members
in
that
and
that
they
are
not
a
food
vendor
and
I
think
it's
a
little
bit
more
difficult
for
them
to.
G
G
You
know
very
useful,
most
of
the
vendors
of
the
time
that
I've
been
on
council
have
been
food,
vendors
and
they're,
able
to,
I
think,
do
pretty
well
in
late
night
and
and
all
lunch
time
activities.
G
But
what
really
continues
to
sort
of
perplex
me
is
that
as
a
city,
we
base
the
vendor
fee
on
the
amount
that
we
could
earn
from
parking
in
those
spaces
by
an
automobile
parking.
There.
G
However,
we've
reserved
10
spaces
for
vendors,
so
we
don't
allow
anyone
to
park
in
those
spots
from
4
am
to
12
p.m,
meaning
we
can't
earn
any
revenue
from
a
automobile
that
would
park
in
those
very
well
geographic
locations,
and
we
don't
have
vendor
licenses
vendors
who
are
are
permitted
to
or
who
are
paying.
The
permit
fee
to
vent
so
we're
basically
just
reserving
those
spaces
as
empty
spaces,
so
we're
collecting
no
revenue
from
parking
and
we're
collecting
no
revenue
from
vendor
licenses.
G
So
I
I
think
we
can
do
better.
I
think
we
can
improve
this
and
I
just
just
want
council
to
know
that.
It's
something
that's
on
my
mind
and
we
can,
I
think,
improve
it.
I'm
not
sure
exactly
what
those
improvements
are
and
I'd
like
to
work
with
the
city
and
with
the
with
the
city
council
on
on
making
it
better
it.
Just
it's
still
every
time
I
I
go
uptown
at
lunchtime
when
I
want
to
see
one
of
my
favorite
local
vendors
and
they're,
not
there.
G
I
I
wonder
why,
and
I
realized
that
kovit
has
had
a
large
impact
on
them.
It
may
be
that
they
did
return
director.
Riggs
did
say
that
august
was
not
a
big
month
because
of
the
students,
not
returning,
really
until
late
august
or
september.
So
maybe
there
are
more
in
september
and
I
I
haven't
been
up
very
much
in
the
first
couple
weeks
of
september,
but
I
am
interested
in
looking
at
this
and
I
think
maybe
the
mayor
has
some
comments
on
that
mayor.
Patterson.
E
If
I
may,
council
member
crowl,
I
will
absolutely
work
with
you.
I
I.
I
too
believe
that
our
our
current
vending
ordinance
as
it
pertains
to
the
west
union
street
vending
spaces
east
union
vending
spaces,
rather
the
richland
avenue
south
congress,
whichever
we
want
to
call
that
area
which
I
don't
recall
when
council
did
authorize
those
five
spaces
to
be
used
for
vending,
as
well
as
those
on
armory
street
there's.
I
believe
five
spaces
there
as
well.
E
The
parallel
parking
spaces
that
are
bending
is
permissible
there
that
you're
right
we've
never
issued
a
permit.
No
one's
ever
asked
for
a
permit.
There
are,
I
do
sign
off
on
a
lot
of
permits
for
vending
but
they're
to
bend
on
private
properties.
Abh
is
a
location
or
100.
Hospital
drive
is
the
location
that
I
often
am
signing
off
on
vending
permits
where
vendors
are
are
targeting
an
area
where
it's
difficult
to
go
and
get
something
to
eat
at
the
lunch
hour
or
whatever.
E
So
I
don't
disagree.
I
also
agree.
I
think
you
were
meant
you're
hinting
at
this
equitability
in
terms
of
or
the
equity
when
it
comes
to
certain
types
of
vending,
if
you're
vending
art
or
if
you're,
vending,
jewelry
or
you're
vending
something
of
that
nature.
You
know
it's
sales
wise.
It's
going
to
take
a
lot
more
than
if
you're
there
capturing
the
lunch
crowd,
the
dinner
crowd
or
something
where
you've
got
a
lot
of
foot
traffic
and
they're,
they
want
to
grab
and
go
and
get
something.
E
E
You
know
so
I
would
be
more
than
happy
to
kind
of
try
and
crack
this
nut.
Somehow
great.
D
D
So
I
want
to
make
sure
that
our
fees
cover
the
cost
of
making
sure
that
the
the
rent
rentals
are
safe.
C
Thank
you,
remember,
spudness,
and
all
I'll
speak
that
briefly,
you
know
we,
we
did
increase
the
fees
a
couple
years
ago
to
cover
the
cost
of
operating
that
portion
of
the
code
operation.
C
You
know,
one
of
our
significant
problems
over
the
last
year
has
been
our
inability
to
hire
a
candidate
for
the
fourth
code
officer
position,
which
is
necessary
really
to
get
through
on
an
annual
basis.
All
of
the
properties
that
are
currently
registered
as
as
or
you
know,
you
know,
licensed
or
permitted
as
a
as
a
rental.
You
know
one
of
the
things
that
that
happens
is
basically
the
primary
duty
of
code
officers
is
rental
inspection.
C
You
know
hands
down,
however,
as
complaints
or
zoning
permits
or
other
activity
come
through
that
office,
which
are
not
like
a
set
number.
You
know,
you
know
the
number
of
bushes
that
people
allow
to
grow
into
their
sidewalk
varies
from
year
to
year.
The
number
of
changes
to
zoning,
or
you
know,
permits
that
people
do.
You
know
changes
from
year
to
year,
so
it's
difficult
to
say
definitively.
C
You
know
how
much
time
the
code
off
is
going
to
put
into
those
variable
activities
in
any
given
year.
However,
we
know
how
many
you
know
to
the
plus
or
minus
a
couple
hundred
how
many
rental
permits
will
come
in
a
given
year
and
and
if
we
are
fully
staffed
with
four
code
inspectors
and
we
charge
150
per
rental
unit
for
the
the
ones
below
the
threshold.
C
I
think
once
you
get
above
a
certain
threshold,
it
drops
some
because
you
know
there's
some
economy
of
scale
in
those
particular
inspections,
but
but
there's
enough
money
that
comes
in
to
fund
their
operation.
C
But
our
ability
to
do
so
is
contingent
on
two
things
number
one
having
all
four
and
we
simply
haven't
been
able
to
fill
that
fourth
position
we
haven't
had
a
quality
candidate,
apply
for
it
and
then
number
two,
the
other
things
that
come
through
that
office.
You
know
distract
time
or
take
time
away
from
being
able
to
get
to
every
single
location.
So
I
wish
I
could
tell
you
definitively
that
you
know
every
year
every
single
place
is
inspected.
A
A
B
The
vendor's
license
and
I
would
agree
100
that
said,
would
it
be
prudent
to
leave
that
number
at
125
until
we've
had
an
opportunity
to
bring
this
through
the
appropriate
committee
discussion
for
council
and
possible
council
action
rather
than
jacking
it
up
to
200
and
then
finding
ourselves?
Well,
maybe
that
wasn't
enough
or
on
the
contrary,
maybe
that
was
too
much.
E
G
C
I
think
it
actually
reflects
in
title
one,
but
it
doesn't
reflect
200
in
title
one.
It
reflects
in
title
11,
but
not
in
title.
One.
C
Conceivably,
you
could
reduce,
what's
in
title,
1
back
to
back
to
125..
I'm
sorry,
you
reduce,
what's
in
title,
11
back
to
125
and
just
keep
title
1
the
way
it
is
or
we
can
make
title
one
and
and
title
11
match.
G
C
Traditionally,
we've
enforced,
what's
in
the
actual
various
chapters
of
the
code
as
opposed
to
title
one,
because
in
almost
all
cases
is
what
has
happened
traditionally
and-
and
I
think
the
clerk
can
probably
speak
to
this.
More
specifically
is
there's
a
there's,
a
particular
interest
in
a
given
year
from
a
particular
council,
member
or
or
a
group
to
change
something
and
there's
a
push
to
change
a
portion
of
the
code.
But
then
it
doesn't
necessarily
reflect
in
title
one.
C
So
a
lot
of
this
work
that
you
know,
we've
been
doing
over
the
last
couple
years
to
try
to
remedy
that
and
and
and
have
all
of
us
say
by
separate
ordinance
and
put
them
all
in
title
one.
So
you
can
do
this
once
a
year
and
talk
about
changes,
but
we
wouldn't
enforce
what
was
in
the
actual
like
title,
11
or
title
29.
Or
what
have
you.
C
So
so
for
this
ordinance,
if
I
hear
you
correctly,
you
want
us
to
work
with
a
clerk
to
make
sure
that
that
title
11
title
one
title,
11
title
one
match
to
say:
125..
Yes,.
H
You
president
nicely
just
a
question
for
director
stone
about
the
three
percent
increase
for
the
sewer
rates.
Council
is
aware
of
sewer
expansion
projects,
but
for
the
general
public.
What
are
we
pointing
to
as
a
reason
or
expense
to
justify
the
three
percent
increase.
C
C
You
know
both
personnel
cost
and
then
our
big
cost
drivers
for
other
operations,
which
include
parts,
electricity,
fuel
materials,
for
you
know
maintaining
the
system,
electricity,
obviously
being
a
big
one
at
the
for
the
treatment
and
movement
of
surgery
on
the
city
and
then
and
then
the
other
big
cost
driver
over
time
is
debt
service.
C
And
so
you
know
we
have
that
20-year
outlook
and
we
look
at
what
capital
improvements
are
either
happening
now
and
what
the
debt
schedule
right
now
is
and
then
what
what
debt
is
being
incurred
through
some
of
the
projects
that
we've
talked
about
over
time
and
are
we
able
to
service
that
over
time
and
then
have
an
appropriate
amount
of
carryover
from
any
given
any
given
year?
We
try
not
to
keep
a
war
chest
in
the
sewer
fund.
C
You
know
you
always
want
to
run
your
proprietary
funds,
like
the
sewer
fund,
such
that
you're,
never
having
to
to
subsidize
it
with
taxes
right
because
you
know
it
should
function
on
its
own.
So
so
we
try
to
keep
it.
C
You
know
relatively
close
and,
and
then
the
last
thing
we
try
to
do
is
not
have
a
situation
where
you,
where
you
don't
do,
increases,
have
a
modest
amount
and
then
you
know
go
a
couple
years
and
then
you
know,
request
a
12
increase
or
a
14
increase,
and
so
we
thought,
given
you
know
the
debt
service
that
we
anticipate
undertaking
or
here
in
the
in
the
next
20
years,
or
so
that
this
would
be
a
modest
increase
that
would
be
appropriate
to
keep
to
keep
that
balance.
Thank
you
correct.
B
To
follow
up
on
that
with
your
modeling,
is
this
something
you
anticipate
being
an
annual
increase
of
three
percent.
C
You
know
so
the
model
allows
you
to
put
a
proposed
increase
in
every
any
given
year
and
then
you
can
adjust
it
based
on.
You
know.
C
If
there's
some
sort
of
you
know
major
expense
or
or
maybe
you
pay
off
debt
faster,
because
there's
a
windfall
and
new
services
that
that
you
know
come
into
the
city
or
capacity
fees
that
come
into
the
city,
and
so
your
revenue
starts
to
go
more
than
you
think
it
otherwise
would
have
been,
and
you
can
dial
it
down
or
dial
it
up,
but
we
try
to
keep
it
as
we
project
out.
You
know
anywhere
between
two
and
four
percent
in
any
given
period
of
time.
C
I
Thank
you,
president
nicely
for
planning
and
development.
Today
we
have
four
items
on
our
agenda
and
the
first
item
refers
to
a
specific
portion
of
town
known
as
madison
heights,
and
this
and
in
particular,
two
lots
on
madison
that
located
like
the
third
lot
up
from
state
street
from
the
intersection
of
madison
and
east
state
street,
and
the
request
is
from
a
developer
owner
of
these
properties
and
they
have
been
through
the
process
and
application
with
the
zoning
board
and.
I
And
they,
which
is
why
it's
here
now
sorry
the
planning
commission,
not
zoning
board
of
appeals,
but
the
planning
commission
and
the
planning
commission
voted
in
favor
of
recommending
this
change
to
city
council,
and
so
now
it
is
our
role
to
review
this.
This
change
and
for
these
two
specific
lots
owned
by
diversified
properties,
which
is
john
soul
and
jim
bloom.
I
They
have
requested
re-zoning,
two
lots
from
r1
to
r2,
and
the
reason
for
this
request
is
to
enable
them
to
put
two
units
per
lot
rather
than
one
a
single
dwelling
on
each
lot
and
the
information
that
they
provided
in
support
of
that
is
that
it
there
is
adequate
space
that
it
sort
of
fits
what
is
currently
in
that
area
and
and
that
it
is
a
beneficial
plan
in
general
and
close
in
neighborhoods
to
increase
the
density
of
the
property
there
have
been.
I
He
was
unaware
until
today
that
this
was
going
to
be
on
our
agenda
this
evening
and
unfortunately
was
unable
to
come,
but
had
he
been
able
to
he,
he
was
willing
to
appear
to
answer
questions
and
talk
to
us
about
this.
So
I'm
sure
that
if
we
have
questions
that
are
we're
not
able
to
answer
this
evening
that
he
would
be
willing
to
come
if,
if
we
can
arrange
a
time
that
works,
I
will
say
that
that
I
support
this
change.
I
think
it's
beneficial
to
increase
the
number
of
properties.
I
G
Thank
you,
member
grace,
I'll,
just
echo
your
comments,
I'm
in
100
with
agreement
I'll
just
inform
the
committee
and
council
that
mr
soul
has
been
in
contact
with
me
as
a
the
representative
of
this
ward
throughout
this
process,
and
although
I
miss
my
flower
shop,
I
think
this
has
been
a
good,
a
good
redevelopment
of
this
area
and
I've
gone
to
look
at
the
location
you
know
and
outside
of
the
fire
protection
issue,
possibly
about
getting
the
fire
truck
in
you
know
up
to
the
location,
I
believe
we
have
other
areas
of
our
city
that
that
have
a
similar
issue.
G
H
You
in
looking
at
the
minutes,
I
am
wondering
if
there
is
an
explanation
to
the
one
voting
member
member's
opposition
to
this.
I
am
not
seeing
it
does
anyone
know
what
the
concern
was.
E
Tell
you
what
that
that
descending
vote
was,
and
it
was
basically
what
member
crowl
had
just
mentioned.
It
was
having
to
you,
know
basically
hook
up
to
a
fire
hydrant
and
then
bring
the
hose
up
to
the
facility
to
put
it
out,
but
also
for
the
the
other
four
members
who
voted
in
favor,
recognizing
that
that
is
the
case
for
structures
that
are
even
further
back
from
that
parcel
or
where
they're
going
to
build.
So
it
was.
E
I
I
believe
the
the
minutes
did
note.
The
the
distance
to
the
fire
hydrant
is
is
not
excessive,
but
that
the
truck
would
not
be
able
to
actually
pull
up
to
the
building,
and
but
it
is
just
a
one
building
back
from
the
street.
So
yes,
thank
you.
Are
there
other
questions
from
members
of
the
committee?
B
Just
spoke
with
mr
bloom
today
for
quite
some
time
in
columbus
and
asked
him
to
play
the
devil's
advocate
to
put
on
his
hat.
What
would
be
the
reasons
not
to
do
this
and
he
couldn't
come
up
with
one,
so
he
invited
me
up
to
walk
around
the
project
which
I
did.
The
fire
hydrant
is
at
the
corner
of
franklin
and
madison.
Right
there
very
very
close.
B
You
can
throw
a
baseball
it's
that
close,
but
if
you
look
at
the
other
property,
the
the
the
old
flower
shop,
the
flower
shop
and
the
duplexes
that
they
built
behind
they've
been
there
quite
some
time,
they're
still
in
great
shape.
In
fact,
if
you
review
any
of
their
properties,
first
live
properties
around
town.
You
will
see
that
they
build
quality
quality
homes,
and
this
is
exactly
what
we
need
over
there
even
checked
out.
The
bus.
B
Stop
is
right
there,
so
you're
uptown
in
a
matter
of
seconds,
so
I
would
echo
what
both
of
you
said.
I
think
this
is
a
good
project
and
it
brings.
Hopefully
we
know
the
quality
is
going
to
be
there,
but
hopefully
affordable
housing
into
the
city
which
we
badly
need,
regardless
of
one's
occupation.
I
Which
is
a
title
49
special
use
permit,
so
we
do
quite
a
few
of
those
in
this
particular
committee.
This
one
is
to
replace
a
sign,
and
this
is
the
sign
for
the
dairy
barn
that
is
located
at
the
intersection
of
dairy
lane
and
richland
avenue
just
before
the
inn,
and
it
is
a
directional
way
finding
sign
to
help
people
find
their
way
to
the
dairy
barn,
and
we
do
have
the
title.
I
49
application
and
the
notes
from
director
riggs
with
comments
on
that,
and
he
has
specified
a
recommendation
that
they
reduce
the
size
of
the
sign
that
they
from
what
they
initially
requested
and
also
specific
instructions
replacing
for
or
for
the
foundation
the
base
of
the
sign,
so
that
it
is
a
breakaway
sign
and
that
the
concrete
will
not
stick
up
too
high,
and
but
it
is
essentially
to
put
a
new
dairy
barn
sign
in
the
existing
location
and
they
which
is
within
the
city
right-of-way.
F
G
The
breakaway
the
breakability
of
this
sign
right.
It's
almost
a
guardrail
to
keep
the
car
from
going
into
the
creek
right.
So
I
don't
know
when
you
come
down
to
what's
better
it's
something
hitting
something
hard
and
stopping
or
going
through
it
and
ending
up
in
the
creek.
We
have
had
an
accident
in
this
creek.
I
think
at
the
next
turn
on
dairy
lane.
I
just
I
you
know
this
is
just
me
being
asking
too
many
questions,
but
is
there
any
you
know
what
when
do
we
say?
C
So
if
the
creek
wasn't
there-
and
we
were
having
a
sign-
be
that
close
to
the
edge
of
the
right-of-way,
we
would
would
require
a
breakaway
base.
We
have
to
do
that
on
all
light
posts
and
various
things
now
I've.
Traditionally,
you
know
when
people
are
going
to
run
into
something
that
is
a
public
asset.
You
know,
I'm
all
about
putting
a
well
casing
full
of
concrete
there
to
you
know
to
keep
people
from
doing
that,
but
you
know
that's
not
the
best
thing
when
it
comes
to
safety,
the
motoring
public.
C
So
you
know
my
you
know
my
direction
to
the
staff
was
look
at
this
very
carefully
related
to
to
you
know
having
an
obstruction
and
a
breakaway
base,
I
believe,
is
more
appropriate.
You
know
I
got
it
that
we
had
a.
We
had
a
situation
further
up.
That
was
really
tragic,
but
this
this
particular
location.
I
think
the
breakaways
is
appropriate.
C
I
I
think
the
wider
issue,
if
I
may
you
know,
I
think,
a
point
privilege
here
prior
to
the
other
questions
that
that
we
have
to
understand
with
this
particular
request
is.
This
is,
unlike
almost
every
other
special
use
of
the
right-of-way
we
get
for
a
sign,
because
the
location
of
the
sign
is
not
in
front
of
the
requesting
property,
so
you
know
conceivably.
C
You
know
back
to
the
devil's
advocate
point.
If
walmart
wanted
to
go
and
put
a
sign
on
court
street
to
say
walmart
this
way,
they
could
say:
well
you
let
the
dairy
barn,
do
it
away
from
their
location
on
richland
avenue,
and
why
can't
we
do
it
on
court
street?
So
you
know
that's
perhaps
a
bad
example.
C
This
sign
has
been
here
a
very,
very
long
time.
Well
before
I
started
with
the
city,
so
you
know
we
can
look
from
a
grandfather
perspective
and
we
can
also
make
a
case
for
for
some
wayfinding.
You
know
given.
This
is
a
regional
facility
that
you
know
many
out
of
town
folks
come
to,
and
dairy
lane
is
a
kind
of
an
odd
street.
That's
not
it's
kind
of
off
the
beaten
path
and
so
having
this
this.
You
know
this
facility
that
you
know
we
try
to
promote
about
our
city.
C
You
know,
have
a
sign
in
arterial
right-of-way,
that's
not
right!
In
front
of
the
property
may
be
appropriate,
and
you
know
in
this
particular
case
they're
requesting
just
a
replacement
of
existing,
not
requesting
anything
new,
so
it
is
kind
of
grandfathered,
but
I
I
do
want
to
you
know,
bring
that
to
this
body's
attention
that
we're
giving
a
you
know
a
really
unique.
You
know
a
unique
benefit
to
this
particular
entity.
C
That
typically,
would
be
reserved
for
hospitals.
You
know,
perhaps
ohio
university.
You
know
some
public
entities
that
that
to
have
an
off-site
sign
in
the
right
event.
I
Just
I
appreciate
that
point.
I
think
it's
it's
not
terribly
dissimilar
from
the
wayfinding
for
marietta
memorial,
that's
off
of
east
state,
but
it's
a
little
ways
you
have
to,
and
the
sign
is
out
on
east
state
so
that
people
know
to
turn
their
near
the
pool
to
to
find
their
way
back.
And
I.
I
I
think
it
is
absolutely
worthy
of
mention
and-
and
it
is
something
we
should
discuss
and
note,
but
I
think
for
the
the
benefit
of
promoting
tourism
and
arts
and
because
of
the
off
the
beaten
path,
location
of
the
dairy
barn.
I
would
think
of
it
almost
sort
of
like
some
of
the
the
signs
that
point
people
towards
other
public
tourist
attractions
that
are
often
quite
a
distance
from
the
particular
attraction
to
help
people
find
their
way,
and
I
so
I
think
it
is-
is
an
appropriate
use
of
the
public
right
away
there.
A
C
You
know
the
the
the
square
footage
related
to
the
signs
is
specific
in
the
sign,
ordinance
and
the
zoning
code,
and
that
has
to
do
with
signs
that
are
on
the
property.
So
you
know
you
can
kind
of
do
whatever
this
body
wants
to
do
outside
of
the
right-of-way,
because
that
zoning
code
specifically
talks
about
the
property.
The
sign
orders
there
so
in
this
instance
that
50
square
feet
is
specific
to
the
zoning
code.
C
What
would
be
if
it
were
a
sign
on
the
property
you
know,
and
so
you
know,
I
guess
what
we
would
request
would
be
that
that
when
the
council
approves
this,
that
they
would
say,
you
know
contingent
upon
it
being.
If
you
so
desire,
you
know
50
square
feet
or
less
yeah.
I
Thank
you
following
up
on
that,
do
you
know
the
size
of
the
current
sign.
I
Well,
that's
this
proposed
for
the
new
one
yeah,
so
yeah,
so
I'm
just
wondering
for
comparison
if,
if
the
new
one
would
be
larger
or
smaller
by
how
much
yes
thank
you
that
was.
J
A
question
that
I
had
you
know
what:
how
big
is
the
sign
right
now?
My
recommendation
would
be
to
the
dairy
barn
leave
it
at
that
size,
like
you
say
that
sign's
been
there
before
most
of
us
were
on
council
or
even
thought
about
going
into
government
hasn't
done
any
harm.
J
B
This
is
a
a
question
for
the
administration.
What
we're
having
dinner
tonight.
My
wife
asked
me
what's
on
the
agenda
tonight,
I'd
already
printed
it
out
and
started
reading
down
through
this,
and
we
got
to
the
topic
that
we're
discussing
right
now,
the
replacement
of
an
existing
sign,
and
she
asked
me
a
question
that
I'm
often
asked
by
members
of
the
community.
B
Why
is
council
dealing
with
that?
We
have
a
mayor.
We
have
a
city
safety
service
director.
We
have
a
code
officer.
The
sign
already
exists:
we're
just
replacing
a
sign
you're
going
to
spend
four
meetings,
countless
hours
talking
about
this.
Why
can't
we
just
do
it.
So
I'm
asking
that
question.
I
guess
out
of
ignorance,
not
stupidity,
but
ignorance,
meaning
a
lack
of
knowledge,
and
this
would
be
not
a
good
opportunity
for
me
to
get
educated
on
this
and
anybody
watching
at
home.
Why
do
some
of
these?
C
I
I
can
start
members
swank
and
then
I'll
turn
it
back
over
to
other
members
of
the
committee
to
you
know
further
clarify
a
couple
years
ago.
You
know
really
driven
by
the
by
the
small
cell
legislation.
C
At
the
state
level,
we
took
a
very,
very,
very
hard
look
at
how
the
city
maintains
and
governs
use
of
right-of-way,
and
so
we
we
took
a
point
or
we
took
an
you
know,
a
fairly
significant
effort
working
with
a
law
firm
that
has
a
lot
of
expertise
in
utility
utility
law
to
look
at
federal
law,
state
law
and
then
our
city
code
to
pass
title
49,
which
is
comprehensive
right
away,
legislation
and
title
49,
there's
about
30
pages
of
information
that
that
allows
us
to
govern
our
rights
of
way
in
compliance
with
both
state
and
federal
law
related
to
utilities.
C
You
know
one
of
the
items
that
came
up
as
we
were
looking
at
this
with
this
comprehensive
right
away.
Legislation
was
what
we
used
to
call
revocable
licenses,
which
was
a
you
know,
ultimately,
a
a
tool
that
the
city
council
used
to
to
basically
give
a
permission
of
a
private
entity
to
use
the
public
graduate
for
something.
C
In
many
cases
it
would
be
parking
in
order
to
meet
parking
requirements
in
the
zoning,
but
in
other
cases
it
would
be
signs
placed
in
the
right
way
or
perhaps
a
fence,
that's
placed
in
the
right
of
way
and
at
the
time
we
did
propose
that
that
is
to
say
the
administration
proposed
that
this
be
an
administrative
matter.
Things
like
this,
but
the
council
members
at
time
were
very
insistent
upon
keeping
that
authority
in
the
city
council's
purview.
So
that's
why
we're
talking
about
the
the
dairy
barn
sign
today?
Thank
you.
I
I
There
is
for
the
opportunity
for
public
awareness
and
public
input
on
these
things,
because
the
the
right-of-ways
are
sort
of
public
property,
and
so
there
are
times
that
there
could
be
objections
to
a
particular
entity,
utilizing
the
public
right-of-way,
whether
for
parking
or
for
a
sign,
and
so
it
was
discussed
and
decided
that
it
was
important
for
when
new
issues
came
up,
that
those
be
discussed
in
a
public
manner
for
the
opportunity
for
review
and
input
from
from
impacted
members
of
the
community
and
as
this
application
notes,
the
owners
of
adjacent
properties
are
not
this
one,
the
previous
one
for
the
zoning
change,
and
so
I
think,
just
having
having
a
public
process
when
there
is
a
new
application
for
use
of
public
property
is
I
I
feel
that
it
is
still
worth
having
the
public
discussion
for
input
on
that
and,
like
you
said,
there's
unlikely
to
be
much
concern
over
replacing
an
existing
sign.
I
C
One
I
do
one
more
thing.
One
thing
we
could
do
and
we
haven't
done
this
yet,
but
you
know,
in
order
to
kind
of
stay
consistent
with
say,
for
instance,
the
mariana
memorial
sign
where,
in
order
to
grant
permission
for
that
off
premises
like
away
from
premises
signed,
we
put
like
a
public
purpose
for
that
we
could
go
and
look
and
see
if
something
could
be
added.
You
know
beyond
just
the
dairy
barn
on
that
particular
side.
I'll,
take
a
look
at
that.
I
Public
facilities
yeah
that
I
think
that
would
make
sense.
I
don't
know
how
far
they
are
into
the
design
process
of
their
sign.
I
Any
other
comments
or
questions
on
the
title,
49
any
comments
or
questions
from
members
of
the
audience.
I
Okay,
thank
you
and
moving
on
the
next
thing
on
the
agenda
is
to
amend
our
dora
and
this
I
just
have
a
small
amount
of
information,
so
I
will
let
the
mayor
speak
to
it,
but
I,
what
I
know
is
that
the
request
is
to
amend
the
dora
language
to
include
monday
through
thursday,
5
p.m,
to
10
p.m.
And,
mr
mayor,
would
you
like
to
expand
on
that
for
the
reasons
for.
E
Well,
I
mean
you
nailed
it
on
the
head,
but
it
is
expanding.
Currently
it
is
thursday,
through
sunday,
thursdays
from
5
to
10
fridays
noon,
to
10
saturday
noon
to
10,
and
then
sunday
is
noon
to
8.
and
we've
identified
the
dora
in
the
uptown
area
as
being
very
successful
and
a
lot
of
people
appreciate
it.
The
ability
to
go
in
and
purchase
whoever
is
participating,
dora
a
beverage
of
their
choice
and
to
be
able
to
go
outside
and
experience
the
uptown
area,
one
of
the
things
that
we
noticed
right
away.
E
E
So
they
fall
outside
the
period
of
the
dora
and
so
to
have
the
dora
active
monday
through
wednesday
as
well
again,
as
you
indicated,
it
would
be
from
5
to
10
pm,
which
fits
with
when
cruising
typically
occur
and
allows
people
to
get
out
and
enjoy
classic
and
antique
cars
and
have
a
beverage
without
that
organization
having
to
go
and
apply
for,
say
an
f2
permit
for
their
event
and
that
becomes
costly
and
cumbersome
when
the
door
could
fit
that
that
void.
At
this
point
in
time,.
I
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
for
that
explanation
and
just
for
clarity.
The
dora
is
not
currently
in
effect,
the
dora
is
in
effect
may
through
august,
and
so
this
is
a
change
in
anticipation
of
next
summer's
activities.
Are
there
any
comments
or
questions
yeah,
just
a
spelling.
F
E
It
ran
very
smoothly.
People
certainly
appreciated
the
ability
to
to
have
beer
wine
or
spirits
while
listening
to
the
the
music
being
played
at
the
main
stage
and.
I
I
from
my
observation
of
that
event,
I
think
people
then
also
wandered
on
up
to
court
street
and
supported
some
of
our
businesses
along
court
street
during
that,
and
so
I
I
agree,
it
was
a
successful
example
of
having
the
dora
in
place.
Are
there
other
comments
or
questions
from
the
members
of
committee?
I
Okay,
and
our
final
agenda
item
is
regarding
the
requirement
of
a
rental
permit
for
the
short-term,
rentals
and
the
language
of
that
ordinance,
and
we
had
a
discussion
a
few
weeks
ago
about
just
removing
the
language.
That's
that's
currently
in
the
ordinance
that
allows
for
a
rental
that
is
rented
out
for
a
period
of
less
than
six
months
to
not
require
a
a
rental
permit,
and
that
has
has
been
a
bit
of
an
issue.
I
I
believe
in
terms
of
making
sure
that
our
short-term
rentals
are
being
permitted,
and
I
had
had
some
concerns
about
just
requiring
anyone
who
who
rents
out
their
property
for
any
duration
of
time,
even
if
it's
to
an
acquaintance
for
while
someone
is
for
the
example.
I
That's
frequently
given
is
on
a
sabbatical
from
the
university
and
they
want
to
rent
their
property
just
for
a
few
months
at
a
time,
but
do
not
typically
rent
it
out
or
do
not
intend
to
rent
it
beyond
that
particular
situation,
it
is,
it
has
in
past
been
thought
that
it
was
beneficial
to,
or
at
least
not
problematic,
to
allow
those
individuals
to
to
do
so
without
requiring
a
rental
permit,
and
so,
in
speaking
with
director
riggs
about
what
might
make
a.
I
The
the
option
that
was
considered
was
to
include
language
that
requires
that
anyone
who
is
is
advertising
or
promoting
their
business
or
the
rental
availability
of
the
property
would
be
required
to
obtain
a
rental
permit
either
short
term
or
long
term,
depending
on
on
the
use
of
the
property,
and
so
our
law
director
thought
with
that
significant
of
a
change
from
the
original
discussion
in
committee
of
this
ordinance
that
it
would
be
a
good
idea
to
bring
it
back
to
committee.
I
So
that
is
is
why
we
are
here-
and
I
am
interested
in
hearing
input
from
members
of
the
committee
on
thoughts
regarding
and
the
just
to
give
you
the
precise
language
that
was
provided
by
director
riggs.
It
says
properties
that
are
renting
for
less
than
six
months
in
any
single
calendar
year
and
not
being
publicly
advertised
or
promoted,
are
exempt
from
rental
permit
requirements.
J
J
J
J
No,
I
could
just
I
could
just
mention
it
in
the
office.
You
know
when
I'm
walking
down
the
hall
at
in
mccracken
or
something
you
know
just
say
hey.
You
know
I'm
going
to
be
gone
for
six
months.
You
want
to
run
my
house
sure.
B
We
shouldn't
be
installing
special
rights
on
them,
which
I
think
you
said,
that's
a
protected
category.
B
I
think
we
need
to
send
this
back
to
the
law
director
and
rewrite
this
maybe
go
back
to
its
original
form,
but
just
because
you
happen
to
be
in
a
specific
class,
I
don't
think
you
should
be
bestowed
with
rights
different
than
someone
who
is
doing
this
for
a
living
to
support
the
economy
of
this
community,
and
I
would
have
to
vote
no
on.
This
is,
is
being
presented
this
evening
without
reservation.
I
So,
just
to
be
clear,
the
original
form
of
what's
currently
on
the
books
allows
that
all
residential
property
within
the
city,
owned
for
rental
purposes
or
occupied
by
a
party
other
than
the
owner
for
a
period
of
more
than
six
months
during
any
single
calendar
year,
shall
require
a
rental
dwelling,
short-term
rental
or
rooming
house
permit
from
the
office
of
code
enforcement.
B
Right
the
word
I
used
was
perhaps
we
should
send
this
back
to
the
law
director
for
reworking
and
based
on
what
you
just
said.
I
think
we
need
to
rework
it
in
such
a
way
that,
for
example,
I
could
make
two
thousand
dollars
every
year
at
graduation
by
renting
my
house
out
thursday,
friday
and
saturday
night
housing
is
so
tight
in
this
town.
If
I
were
to
do
that,
I
personally
feel
I
need
to
be
permitted.
A
Thank
you
for
your
comments.
Yes,
and
am
I
remembering
the
discussion
right,
I'm
just
trying
to
clarify
my
own
mind
without
being
able
to
see
this
in
writing,
so
the
difficulty
that
the
co-director
was
having
was
that
it's
the
six
months
that
that's
how
people
were
getting
around
the
the
short-term
rental,
and
so
the
was
this
striking
out?
That's
my
question
was
that
striking
out
that's
already
been
proposed,
okay
and
then
the
red
language
added
in
this
properties
that
are
running
less
than
six
months?
That's
the
new
language,
the
proposed
yes!
A
C
K
Health
and
safety
is
one
issue
and
I
think,
an
important
issue,
because
if
those
houses
or
places
aren't
inspected,
how
do
we
know
really
what
the
interior
is
like
and
it
would
be
a
way
to
avoid
any
of
the
exceptions,
and
the
other
thing
is
just
because
someone
has
the
ability
to
leave
or
rent
those
properties
for
a
short
amount
of
time.
It
is
like
giving
a
preferential
treatment.
K
F
A
G
Council
committee
members
get
seated.
I
will
address
the
elephant
in
the
room.
I
have
tested
numerous
times
over
the
past
few
days,
including
about
an
hour
and
a
half
before
this
committee
meeting
and-
and
I
continue
to
test
negative
for
comed,
I
do
have
an
old-fashioned
cold.
I
believe
that
is
driving
me
crazy
and
doesn't
make
anybody
feel
any
better
sitting
close
to
me.
I'm
sure
you
don't
want
this,
but.
G
It's
it's
hard,
though,
to
like
you
know,
deal
with
a
cough
when
you
have
something
over
your
mouth,
but
that's:
okay.
Okay,
so
we
have
a
couple
of
items
on
our
committee
meeting
tonight
for
finance
and
personnel
all
our
appropriations.
G
There
are
four
listed
on
our
agenda.
I'm
going
to
deal
with
these
in
two
separate
sort
of
sections
because
they
are
related.
The
first
two
are
a
thirty
thousand
dollar
appropriation
to
the
water
fund
and
a
twenty
thousand
dollar
appropriation
to
the
sewer
fund.
G
I'm
actually
quite
pleased
with
our
city
administration,
on
determining
the
need
for
these
appropriations,
because
our
city
staff
has
taken
a
very
close
look
at
our
storage
facilities
for
parts
that
we
need
in
our
water
department
and
our
sewer
department
and
they're
being
very
proactive.
G
G
So
the
city
administration
has
asked
for
these
two
appropriations:
again:
thirty
thousand
dollars
to
water
fund
and
twenty
thousand
dollars
to
the
sewer
fund
in
order
to
order
those
parts
now
so
that
we
don't
have
those
back
order
problems.
When
an
emergency
comes
up.
Are
there
any
questions
from
the
american
actually
go
to
director
stone?
If
you'd
like
to
address
that
some
more.
C
Yeah,
I
think
you
covered
it
correctly.
Member
crowd,
the
you
know,
we're
really
functionally
asking
for
money
that
we
would.
We
would
typically
get
at
the
beginning
of
the
year
in
next
year's
budget,
and
then
we
would
place
an
order.
Our
fear
is
that
you
know
you
go
and
place
an
order
in
january
once
the
budget
gets
turned
on
for
a
given
year
and
they
go
up
to
six
months
out.
C
There's
a
couple
parts
that
you
know
if
you,
if
you've
been
down
and
looked
at
30
current
and
looked
at
the
back
rooms
and
30
current
and
the
you
know
the
the
menagerie
of
stuff,
that
kind
of
looks
like
lowe's
but
but
bigger.
You
know
with
the
with
the
various
things
that
that
fit
on
the
pipes.
C
They
go
on
the
ground
yeah
at
two
in
the
morning
when
it's
when
it's
you
know
ten
below
zero,
you,
you
don't
wanna,
go
to
the
bin
and
see
that
there's
nothing
there
and
it's
back
ordered
for
you
know
two
months.
So
that's
the
the
situation
here
we're
just
trying
to
get
ahead
of
the
winner.
Given
this
supply
chain
issues
that
were
normally,
we
wouldn't
have
this,
but
this
year
it's
kind
of
a
bit
of
a
challenge.
G
Appreciate
that
any
questions
from
the
committee
on
these
two
appropriations,
other
members
of
council
members,
the
public
okay,
great,
the
next
appropriations-
have
been
adjusted
slightly
since
the
agenda
was
was
put
out.
So
I
believe
our
yeah.
Our
agenda
has
180
000
to
the
recreation
fund
and
a
hundred
and
seventy
thousand
dollars
to
the
community
center
fund.
G
G
The
request
from
the
city
administration
from
the
auditor's
office
are
now
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
the
community
center
hold
on
here.
Just
real,
quick.
G
And
100
000
the
community
center
fund,
271
and
130
000
to
the
recreation
fund
270..
So
this
is
a
total
of
230
000
instead
of
the
350
000
that
you
may
be
seeing
here
and
this
these
are
for
the
the
the
transaction
code
100.
G
So
this
is
the
personnel
line
for
these
funds,
and
it
it
really
from
a
closer
examination,
looks
like
we
didn't
appropriate
enough
at
the
beginning
of
the
year
for
these
funds
and
I'm
going
to
ask
director
stone
to
to
speak
to
this
a
little
bit
more,
not
seeing
auditor
hecht
here
today.
G
The
way
this
would
go
is
that
there
would
be
an
interfund
transfer
from
273,
which
is
the
income
tax
fund
for
apr
to
these
two
funds
and
then
appropriate
to
the
to
those
funds
director
stone.
I
can
speak
to
this
some
more.
C
All
right,
thank
you,
member
crowd.
So
if
you,
if
you
pull
out
the
sheet
that
looks
like
this,
this
was
a
supplement
that
I
I
sent
today
just
as
a
visual
aid
to
describe
this
particular
situation.
And-
and
you
know
about
a
week
and
a
half
ago
when
the
honors
office
said
that
you
know
we
were
short
350
000
in
the
tc
100s.
For
you
know
the
the
recreation
part,
arts
parks
and
recreation
activity,
both
270
and
271
about,
fell
out
of
my
chair
and
said.
C
Oh
my
gosh,
you
know
what
happened,
and,
and
so
I
did
some
analysis
and
if
you
look,
what
you
see
in
this
document
is
five
years
worth
of
data
through
month,
eight
so
the
end
of
august,
and
so
and
what
I
did
is
I
just
combined
fund,
270
and
271
and
there's
some
nuances
about
what
can
be
spent
on
community
center
versus
what
can
be
spent
on
parks.
But
for
all
intents
and
purposes,
that's
the
department's
operating
budget
and
the
tc100s
are
the
personnel
in
the
department's
operating
budget.
C
We
are
not
that
far
off
we're,
definitely
higher
than
2021
and
2020
coming
out
of
the
covid
years,
but
we're
still
about
106
thousand
dollars
less
than
our
expenditures,
as
of
the
end
of
august
in
2019
and
then
same
thing
for
for
2018.,
so
and
that's
graphed
accordingly
in
the
red
down
below
the
next
line
or
the
next
group
of
data
is
the
appropriations
and
really
you
know
when
you
look
at
your
appropriations
and
your
reports,
this
adds
up
all
the
tc
100,
all
the
personnel
appropriations
at
the
end
of
august,
and
so
you
know
this
really
kind
of
shows
what
you
know
what
member
crowd
was
talking
about.
C
Is
that
if
you
look
at
2018
and
2019,
you
know
we
appropriated
around
1.4
million
dollars
in
the
tc
100s
to
pay
for
people.
You
know
we
had
the
big
crisis
with
the
pandemic.
We
reduced
our
appropriations
in
2020,
we
reduced
them
even
further
in
2021
and
then
coming
out
of
2022.
C
We
had
to
project
and
we
only
appropriated
going
into
the
year
and
it's
it's
tough
to
to
say
exactly
what
you'll
need
in
our
sparks
and
rack,
but
we
only
appropriated
about
one
point:
1.1
a
little
over
1.1
million
in
in
the
tc
100s
going
into
the
budget
here,
and
the
reason
why
I
say
it's
kind
of
tough
to
project
is
because
most
of
the
expenditures
are
a
significant
share.
Not
most
for
the
significant
share
of
the
expenditures
in
in
the
100s
for
ice
parks
and
rec
are
are
part-time
and
seasonal
personnel.
C
These
are
people
that
come
in
anything
from
lifeguards
to
to
cashiers,
to
front
desk,
monitors
to
to
exercise
monitors
to
the
instructors
to
coaches
to
and
such,
and
so
you
know
you
know
it's
really
a
function
of
how
active
you
are,
and
this
year
we've
been
pretty
active,
more
active,
closer
to
the
2019
level
of
activity
than
certainly
the
2020
or
the
2021
level
of
activity,
and
so
you
can
see
that
in
the
red
in
what
we've
spent
through
the
end
of
of
month.
Eight.
C
So
you
know,
I
guess
the
thing
that
is
important
to
recognize
when
you
look
at
what
I,
what
I
called
out
there
with
the
delta
is
that
you
know
we
were
about
400
000
remaining
from
our
original
appropriations
to
what
we
had
spent
by
the
end
of
august
in
2019,
and
we're
really
only
about
200
thousand
dollars
now,
and
so
that's
where
the
that's.
C
Where
that
concern
lies
the
honors
office
kind
of
dialed
it
in
and
said
it
looks
like
we're
going
to
need
an
initial
about
130
in
the
270
fund
and
100
in
the
in
the
com
center
fund.
In
order
to
make
it
work
to
give
us
a
little
bit
of
peace
of
mind,
you
can
look
at
revenue
down
at
the
very
bottom
and
I
kind
of
pull
that
out
and
make
it
a
seven
graph.
C
One
thing
that
I
will
commit
to
the
to
the
body
here
is
that
at
the
end
of
october
this
year,
once
we
really
get
our
you
know,
a
really
good
look
at
summer
cost
we're
going
to
do
a
deep
dive
in
in
this
operation
coming
out
of
the
pandemic
and
do
some
kind
of
zero-based
budgeting,
where
we,
as
we
go
into
2023
and
project
the
budget,
because
you
know
you
know,
270
and
271
always
run
super
tight.
C
C
The
the
other
services
in
the
community
that
provide
similar
services
to
what
the
community
center
does
and
what
the
recreation
does
and-
and
you
know
so
as
we
go
into
2023-
to
have
that
hard
discussion
about
you
know
how
much
should
we
subsidize
people-wise
the
the
hearts
parks
and
rec
operation
with
tax
dollars
versus
the
money
that
they
bring
in
from
from
fees,
but
but
by
and
large
we
don't
think
that
there's
a
crisis
here.
C
We
just
think
we
undershot
going
into
the
beginning
of
the
year,
given
the
amount
of
work
and
that
staff's
doing
and
they're
doing
great
stuff.
I
mean
they
really
are
there's
a
lot
of.
We
just
closed
the
pool,
so
that's
that's
kind
of
a
big
relief
to
everybody
that
it
was
successfully
through
the
season
and
had
the
dog
swim
and
we're
ready
to
go
and
shut
that
down.
But
we
would
just
request
this
additional
appropriation
and
this
transfer
to
make
this.
This
thing
work.
E
I'm
just
gonna
add
to
that
slightly
with
that
deep
dive
that
we're
going
to
be
doing
the
director
of
arts
parks
and
recreation.
Catherine
jordan
is
also
going
to
we're
going
to
have
that
conversation
and
think
much
like
we
did
tonight
with
the
committee
of
the
whole
with
the
fees
and
rates
review.
That's
another
thing
that
we're
going
to
be
doing
within
arts
parks
and
recreation
is
taking
a
a
real,
thorough
look
see
at
what
has
been
held
static
for
a
long
time
when
it
comes
to
our
rates
and
fees.
E
G
Thank
you
and
I'll
just
echo
that
I've
had
the
privilege
of
working
closely
with
catherine
and
jordan
and
her
staff,
especially
this
fall
and
over
the
summer
months,
and
I
think
we
have
the
right
people
in
place
and
you
know
I'm
just
really
pleased
with
the
the
direction
that
the
department
is
taking
and
commend
the
city
administration
on
those
staff
members.
Anybody
on
the
committee
have
anything
to
say
about
these
appropriations
in
270
and
271.
B
C
So
that
particular
levy-
you
know
the
intent
behind
it
was
to
be
able
to
number
one
service,
the
dead
on
the
pool
and
then
pay
for
other
capital
improvements
of
the
park.
But
recognizing
that
you
know
from
time
to
time
there
is
a
need
to
subsidize
operations
that
was
written
into
the
levy,
and
so
our
our
thinking
on
requesting
it
out
of
273
is
it
specifically
was
the
levy
for
arts
parks
and
recreation.
C
You
know
primarily
capital,
but
also
had
operations
written
in
there,
and
so,
given
that
the
shortfall
now
specifically
in
our
experts
inauguration,
we
thought
you
know
that
would
be
most
in
line
with
what
the
voters
requested.
But
I
mean
you
could
take
it
from
the
general
fund,
but
I
just
think
it
probably
is
more
appropriate
to
come
from
273..
So.
B
There
were
another
years
past
and
we
still
don't
have
that
just
happened
to
see
in
the
paper
today
the
licking
county
put
in
eight
beautiful
pickleball
courts.
I
hope
we
can
emulate
that
the
the
restroom
facilities
down
at
the
west
state
street
ball
fields
the
enhanced
and
improved
soccer
facilities.
B
What
impact,
if
any?
Well,
this
230
000
coming
out
of
fund
273,
as
opposed
to
general
fund,
have
on
those
projects
and
other
projects
that
we
might
want
to
add.
C
You
know
their
growth
in
that
area,
understood
I
I
I
will
and
the
mayor-
and
I
discussed
this
and
I
hope
I'm
not
getting
too
far
ahead
of
him
by
saying
that
you
know
part
of
this
transfer
request
would
then
be
backfilled,
if
not
all
of
it
by
our
funds,
and
so
you
know
we
have
our
second
chance
of
upper
funds,
and
we
think
that
arpa
is,
you
know,
revenue
replacement
in
many
cases,
and-
and
given
that
you
know
really,
the
heart
of
the
matter
is:
is
revenue
replacement
in
this
particular
area,
and
so
we
think
that
it
is
appropriate
to
take
that
arc
of
funding
and
put
it
to
backfill
fund
273
so
that
we
don't
drain
it
specifically
to
your
specific
questions,
we've
already
appropriated
money
for
the
tennis
and
pickleball
court
construction,
and
so
we
think
we're
going
to
be
good
there
that
bid
saturday,
the
restrooms
you've
already
appropriated
money
for
that
as
well.
C
We're
not
quite
ready
to
bid
on
that,
but
we're
close
on
that.
So
I
don't
think
that
this
particular
transfer.
The
unappropriate
balance
we'll
end
up
having
to
to
fund
those
two
particular
activities,
but
but
we
do
want
to
have
money
in
that
capital
fund
to
be
able
to
do
the
important
things
that
that
we
want
to
do
in
our
particular
creation
in
the
future
good.
Thank
you.
A
J
Okay,
now
that
we're
all
settled
in
there's
three
items
under
transportation
committee,
a
municipal
bridge,
inspection
program
for
2023,
renewal,
municipal
parking,
garage
suspension
of
fees
and
continuous
parking
suspension
of
fees
for
specified
dates,
municipal
bridge
inspection
program-
we
go
through
this,
I
think
about
every
year.
Haven't
we.
J
Yeah
so
on
our
shared
drive,
there's
the
legislation,
12
pages
long,
I'm
sure
you've
all
read
it.
It's
pretty
much
a
boiler
plate.
So
all
we
really
need
to
do
is
have
an
ordinance
pass
it
and
sign
off
on
it.
Any
idea
how
many
bridges
they're
going
to
inspect.
C
Yeah,
I
actually
take
them
back.
If
you
count
the
shorter
spans,
I
think
they're,
eight.
C
But
five
more
significant
bridges
and
those
have
to
be
inspected
every
year
a
report
submitted
to
odot.
We
did
it
ourselves
for
a
number
of
years
and
then,
a
few
years
ago,
as
I
mentioned,
odot
began
paying
for
cities.
Basically,
it's
just
that
the
city
has
to
give
them
permission
to
pay
for
it,
so
gladly
give
them
permission.
That's.
J
J
Something
we
need
to
get
the
state
permission:
okay.
Well,
now
we're
coming
up
on
the
holidays.
Anyone
have
any
question
about
bridge
inspections
and
anything
no
kind
of
a
good
idea.
It
has
safe
bridges.
I
think
so.
J
That's
just
me
personally.
I
know
municipal
parking
garage,
suspend
fees
for
selected
meter
spaces
for
specified
dates
in
december,
and
this
is
the
holiday
season
for
shopping,
uptown
and
just
part
of
our
program
to
try
to
encourage
that.
J
E
You
summed
it
up.
Well,
I
mean
this
is
something
that
we
typically
do
every
holiday
season
and
giving
people
the
opportunity
to
crop
town
park
without
charge.
It's,
I
think
it's
successful,
yeah.
B
Do
we
have
debates
on
that?
Do.
E
J
Okay,
questions
on
that.
Thank
you,
continuous
parking,
pretty
much
the
same
thing.
I
E
B
If
we
were
to
do
that,
we'd
want
to
go
both
ways,
in
other
words,
start
it
when
the
dorm,
when
they
shut
down
and
then
pick
it
up.
B
B
By
doing
it
that
way,
it
gives
the
retail
folks
an
additional
weekend
of
you
know
free
parking,
so
to
speak,
which
would
encourage
you
know
more
people
to
come
up
town
but
yeah.
It
ends
december
9th
2022
at
8
o'clock.
I
B
I
B
E
Just
a
point
of
clarification,
so
metered
parking
stays
metered
parking,
except
for
what
council
is
going
to
take
up
to
to
allow
for
free
parking
at
meters,
but
everywhere
else.
Yes,
councilmember
swank.
It
would
be
the
24
hour
that
we
just
we
amend
to
allow
for
continuous
parking
from
the
10th
of
december,
which
I'm
fine
with
until
the
19th
of
january
or
whatever.
E
J
E
The
times
days
and
times
in
which
we
will
allow
for
free
parking
at
the
street
meters
as
well
as
specific
locations
within
the
parking
garage
on
certain
dates,
does
it
say
street
leaders.
B
E
We
didn't
do
it
last
year.
Well,
thank
you
for
the
correction
on
that.
So
but
council
has
taken
that
up
in
the
past.
B
L
C
Not
store
a
vehicle
for
an
extended
period
of
time,
I
think
that's
more
important
on
weekdays
than
weekends,
because.
C
C
So
you
know
if
I
were
to
recommend
something
it
would
be
to
make
it
coincide
with
those
weeks.
You
know
the
free
times
in
the
garage
on
those
extra
weekend
days.
That
would
be
the
time
we
would
do
the
street
meters
versus
the
entire
block
of
time
up
until
the
holidays
like
I,
wouldn't
I
wouldn't
recommend
it
on
weekdays.
I
guess.
I
I
I
think,
as
we've
done
in
past,
to
wave
the
meter
enforcement
on
the
thursday
nights
and
the
saturdays
in
december
works.
Well,
because
the
thursday
nights
are
when
we
have
historically
had
his
uptown
holiday
celebrations
and
then
saturdays
are
advantageous
for
promoting
and
encouraging
uptown
shoppers.
J
E
Before
we
go
any
further
down
the
street
metered
parking
and
again
I
apologize.
The
council
of
the
vietnamese
tonight
would
be
that
I
meet
with
a
yuba
and
talk
to
the
uptown
business
association
and
see
what
their
position
is
because
of
what
director
stone
was
just
indicating
it
that
can
be
a
challenge
to
where.
If
someone
has
storage
parking
in
that
space
on
those
certain
days,
it
would
certainly
impede
the
turnover
at
the
parking
area.
So
let
me
talk
to
right.
The
toyota
well.
J
L
L
I've
always
thought
it
was
being
more
about
residents
than
about
the
students,
so
it
enables
somebody
who's
out
of
town
on
vacation
over
the
holidays
to
not
have
to
move
their
car,
and
that
would
have
been
a
factor
for
me,
but
I
did
have
a
place
to
park
mine
in
previous
years,
but
for
other
people
they
they
don't
have
a
space
off
the
street,
and
so
that's,
I
think
it
more
is
being
about
residents
than
about
students,
but
it's
a
little
both.
Probably
so.
That's
one
point
I
wanted
to
make.
L
The
other
is
that
last
year.
I
remember
specifically
thinking
that.
Why
did
this
end
on
january?
Was
it
the
first?
Even
I
don't
know
what
the
date
was
exactly,
but
it
was
much
earlier
than
the
school
restarted.
People
could
still
be
on
vacation
in
the
year
before
I
was,
but
I
again
I
had
a
place
to
park.
My
car
off
street.
L
The
one
thing
to
note,
though,
is
this
year:
this
period
is
longer
than
normal,
because
the
university,
for
some
reason
shifted
the
dates
starting
in
january
for
spring
a
week
later
and
from
then
on
for
the
rest
of
the
year.
All
the
start,
dates
and
end
dates
are
for
the
semesters
or
a
week
later.