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Athens City Council - October 24, 2022
B
And
welcome
to
Athens
city
council,
it's
Monday
October
24th,
2022,
7
PM,
we're
in
committee
meetings
tonight
all
five
of
our
committees
meeting
with
a
full
agenda.
So
we
appreciate
your
being
here
and
your
patience,
but
also
your
expeditiousness
tonight
with
our
items.
The
first
committee
is
City
and
Safety
Services,
that's
chaired
by
council
member
McCary
and
joined
by
council
members,
Grace
Swank
and
Crowell
foreign.
C
Good
evening,
everyone
we'll
go
ahead
and
get
started.
We
have
two
items
on
our
city
and
Safety
Services
agenda
for
this
evening,
the
first
of
which
is
Special
Response
and
tactics
unit
APD,
Mutual
Aid,
with
the
Sheriff's
Office
and
council
members
have
received
a
draft
agreement
titled
between
the
city
of
Athens
and
the
Athens
Sheriff's
Office
for
the
participation
of
Athens
police
officers
and
the
Athens
Sheriff's
Office
Special,
Response
and
tactics
unit.
C
This
is
providing
Mutual
Aid,
consisting
of
Athens
police
officers
participating
in
the
Athens
Ohio
Sheriff's
Office,
Special,
Response
and
tactics
unit
within
their
respective
jurisdictions
of
the
parties.
It
is
the
desire
of
the
parties
to
this
agreement
to
provide
for
enjoying
and
providing
for
Mutual
assistance
and
The
Interchange
of
their
respective
personnel
and
equipment.
D
C
There
he
is
didn't
see
over
the
podium
I'd
like
to
invite
Chief
Pyle
to
share
any
additional
remarks.
E
Thank
you,
member
Kerry,
very
simply,
we're
approached
in
the
spring
of
this
year
by
the
sheriff
and
his
tactical
Commander
Tactical
Team
Commander
Commander
rice
Vick,
to
consider
increasing
our
numbers
of
participation
in
their
Special
Response
Team.
Currently
we
have
an
mou
draft
that
I
believe
around
2016.
E
And
signed
in
2016
I
think
that's
the
date
where
we
allow
five
of
our
staff
to
participate
in
the
SRT
team,
and
so
they
approached
us
and
asked
us
to
consider
increasing
from
five
to
seven
they
indicated
they'd
had
and
and
our
records
would
also
reflect
that
that
had
time
a
time
getting
all
of
our
officers
to
a
call
out
to
training
all
at
one
time,
and
so
their
hopes
were
that,
rather
than
have
five
on
the
team
and
maybe
get
two
or
three
to
a
turnout
of
our
officers,
if
they
had
seven,
they
might
get
closer
to
the
five
that
they
had
originally
requested.
E
When
we
have
a
turnout
and
that's
for
a
variety
of
reasons,
officer
availability
are
scheduling
and
Staffing
comes
first,
we
won't
allow
officers
to
participate
in
call
outs
for
the
SRT
team
if,
if
they're
working
the
street
for
us
and
and
and
by
letting
them
go,
would
nullify
our
coverage
in
the
city,
and
so
so
that
was
their
request.
The
mou
that
we
drafted
is
essentially
just
simply
raises
the
number.
E
So
that
is
essentially
the
that,
in
a
nutshell,
the
request
in
a
nutshell,
and
as
far
as
anticipating
any
scheduling
issues,
I,
don't
I,
don't
see
this
as
a
major
workload
increase
or
a
major
cost
increase
for
the
city.
Currently
we
have
five
positions,
only
three
are
filled
actively
and
and
and
so
there's
we
have
it
have.
It
met
the
numbers
that
they
expected
us
to
in
2016
for
about
a
year
now,
so
I
think
increasing.
E
It
would
be
a
good
thing
and
our
obvious
return
on
investment
is,
is
the
training
and
the
experience
that
our
staff
gets
and
the
assuredness
that,
if
we
ever
do,
need
a
special
response,
a
call
out
here
in
the
city
that
that
the
sheriff's
office,
as
a
collaborator
and
with
through
this
mou,
would
provide
that
service
to
us.
It's
something
that
we
could
not
have
otherwise.
C
Chief
I
think
that
was
a
great
summary
main
points.
I
heard
were
that
this
isn't
going
to
detract
from
a
service
to
Athens
in
any
way,
because
we'll
prioritize
commitments
here
before
lending
our
officers
to
the
SRT
is
that
correct,
absolutely
and
that
that
a
big
gain
is
the
enhanced
training
that
the
officers
would
receive.
That
would
translate
to
their
skills
here,
and
then
you
mentioned
that
this
would
not
be
a
financial
hardship
for
the
city.
Could
you
say
a
little
bit
more
about
any
financial
implications
of
this
so.
E
Currently
are
the
SRT
team
trains
once
a
month?
They
actually
train
every
other
week,
but
our
members
are
only
required
to
attend
once
a
month.
It's
it's
typically
a
four
to
six
hour
training,
so
we
have
the
expense
of
four
to
six
hours
of
overtime
for
those
officers.
We
require
them
to
do
it
on
overtime.
We
don't
want
them
to
do
it
on
regular
business
hours
again,
because
it
would
take
away
from
our
coverage
that
was
a
baked
in
cost
that
we
knew
about
in
advance.
E
Before
we
signed
the
original
mou
and
and
again
it's
money
well
spent,
because
if
we
send
officers
away
to
training,
we
pay
pay
them
over
time
anyway,
so
it
it's
kind
of
factored
in
and
then
on
the
rare
occasion
that
they
do
have
a
call
out
either
in
the
city
or
out
in
the
county.
We
pay
the.
We
pay
our
staff
over
time
for
that
as
well.
There
are
times
when
we
have
sufficient
Street
coverage
that
we
would
allow
somebody
to
go
on
regular
duty,
but
that's
extremely
rare,
given
the
the
staffing
issues.
C
E
Majority
of
the
call
outs
from
memory
that
have
occurred
recently
have
been
barricaded
subjects,
armed
barricaded
subjects,
mostly
in
the
county.
They
occasionally
will
do
high
risk
search
warrant
or
arrest
warrant
service.
E
They
don't
they
do
not
participate
and
we
do
not
participate
in
no
knock
warrants
or
or
nighttime
no
knock
warrants
those
kinds
of
things.
Those
are
very
high
risk
and
the
sheriff
I
I
think
comfortable
in
saying
the
sheriff
likes
to
avoid
those
situations
as
much
as
possible,
so
but
but
typically
they're
drug
warrants.
C
F
Chief
Powell:
by
going
to
seven,
will
this
give
you
greater
flexibility
and
scheduling
so
that,
if
you
have
seven
people
to
choose
from
at
any
given
time,
you
can
still
staff
the
streets
and
still
be
able
to
respond
to
a
dangerous
situation.
Yeah.
E
So
so
we
prioritize
our
coverage
and
our
predicted
coverage
needs
and
I
would
also
say
that
the
mou
is
specific,
that
while
we
allow
seven
members
to
train,
we
will
internally
only
allow
five
maximum
five
members
to
participate
at
any
given
time,
and
we,
we
haven't,
figured
out
exactly
the
the
internal
mechanism
to
to
work
that
out,
but
we
do
know
that.
That's
how
we're
going
to
approach
it.
E
So
if
the
sheriff
gets
a
call,
it
will
go
out
to
all
seven
members,
but
I
think
our
plan
is
just
to
coordinate
through
a
supervisor
to
say
only
five
will
will
go
and
the
supervisor
will
make
the
call
which,
which
507.
I
think
it's
going
to
be
extremely
rare,
that
all
seven
are
available,
quite
frankly
at
any
given
time
and
I.
Think
I
think
it's
going
to
hold
true
that
we'll
have
three
to
five
available
at
any
given
time.
Thank
you.
G
Yes,
thank
you
for
being
here,
Chief
Kyle.
The
mou
specifically
calls
out
Halloween.
G
Yeah
yeah-
and
it
says
the
Athens
County
Sheriff-
agrees
to
provide
SRT
OverWatch
during
any
planned
Halloween
event
should
the
need
arise
as
determined
by
the
city
of
Athens.
Yes,
so
is
that
something
that
you
will
decide
the
day
before
or
if
that's
an
emergency
kind
of
situation,
yeah
OverWatch.
E
Is
a
planned
activity
and
it's
for
we've
used
it
in
the
past,
for
instance,
when
we
had
Halloween
really
close
to
the
Nice
France
incident,
where
the
the
vehicle
Brands,
and
so
we
wanted
armed
OverWatch
for
all
the
entry
points,
the
barricaded
entry
points
and
we
also
wanted
OverWatch
on
the
some
rooftops
as
well,
and
so
that's
very
specific
kind
of
Duties
that
are
suited
well
to
SRT
members
who
are
trained
and
that
kind
of
thing,
and
so
so
we've
had
that
in
the
past
and
we
paid
I
want
to
say
it's
around
800
to
a
thousand
dollars
per
per
Halloween.
E
We
haven't
used
that
for
a
while
and
we
don't
have
it
planned
for
this
Halloween,
for
instance,
but
if
we
do
happen
to
have
a
Halloween
I'd
forgotten
that
we
actually
did
hammer
it
out
to
to
Halloween
specifically,
but
actually
that's
the
only
place
we've
ever
used
OverWatch
because
of
the
the
geography
lends
itself
to
that
being
a
benefit
for
us.
E
And
so,
if
we,
you
know,
Halloween
comes
back
and
and
and
its
current
plan
state
and
grows,
and
there
may
be
an
instance
where
we
want
to
have
OverWatch
in
the
future.
And
so
that
was
our
request
of
them.
Is
that
you
provided
to
us
for
free,
okay,.
G
So
that
was
my
question
really
is.
This
is
not
a
necessarily
planned
regularly
annually,
but
given
circumstances
you
may
need
it
because
I
know
the
city.
Administration
is
doing
a
lot
to
try
to
make
Halloween
a
little
bit
more
controllable,
and
if
we
don't
need
this,
then
right,
it's
probably
the
best.
Okay.
Thank
you.
Chief.
E
Back
to
you,
Chief
just
a
final
comment
that
the
law
director
has
vetted
this
mou.
So
what
you're
seeing
has
been
vetted
by
the
County
prosecutor,
our
law,
director,
Lisa
Eliason
and
actually
the
sheriff
has
already
signed
it.
But
I
explained
to
him
that
once
he
signed
it,
I
got
back
in
touch
with
him
and
I
said.
Young
Council
has
to
authorize
this
for
the
city
on
behalf
of
the
city.
So
so
it's
been
kind
of
waiting
for
a
while.
So
yeah.
C
C
Okay,
thank
you.
Chief
Kyle,
we'll
move
on
to
city
and
Safety
Services.
Second,
agenda
item
the
solid
waste
contract
modification
and
do
we
have
Bruce
Underwood
here,
yeah.
G
H
H
The
47
000
in
the
email
was
specifically
for
that
two-year
time
frame
up
to
June
of
this
year.
So
for
the
first
two
years
of
the
contract
we
estimated
additional
50,
000
or
so
over
the
next
12
months
for
the
last
year
of
the
contract.
So
it
wasn't
that
wasn't
the
only
son
that
was
depending
on
what
fuel
prices
will
do,
what
we
expect
over
the
next
12
months
or
from
from
July
to
June
of
next
year
as
well.
So,
hopefully,
I
can
answer
some
of
the
questions.
H
Any
kind
of
clarifications
about
I
put
a
lot
of
stuff
in
there
I
think
I
spoke
with
Mr
Swank
earlier
last
week.
There's
a
lot
of
data
behind
that.
How
I
got
to
some
of
those
numbers
so
I
wanted
to
open
it
up
and
feel
free
to
to
drill
me
on
that.
You
know
as
much
clarification
as
I
can
provide
that'd.
Be
great,
there's
a
lot
a
lot
of
details,
a
lot
of
variables
that
go
into
that.
C
F
So
so
we
spoke
last
week,
I
came
across
something
that
I
wasn't
really
familiar
with
at
the
time
and
I'm
wondering
if
you
have
done
this.
As
many
of
you
know,
there
is
all
kinds
of
federal
money
out
there
for
all
types
of
businesses
that
have
been
impacted
by
covid
and
there
have
been
cases
where
gas
price
increases
have
been
Loosely
associated
with
covet.
You
know,
you
know
one
of
the
many
things
that
covet
affected
and
this
money
is
available
up
to
twenty
six
thousand
dollars
per
employee
and
I'm.
Just
wondering.
F
Have
you
gone
down
that
route
of
looking
into
whether
or
not
you
qualify?
For
that
give
an
example:
there's
a
restaurant
here
in
Athens
County,
that's
down
about
25
people
and
because
of
covet
and
they're
investigating
it,
and
if
they
were
able
to
get
the
25
times
26
people
at
625
000
they
could
get.
F
H
That'd
be
great,
I'd
appreciate
this
there's
there's
details.
We
did
look
into
some
of
the
sources
of
funding.
From
my
recollection
it
was
you
had
to
have
a
significant
impact
on
the
operation
overall,
some
percentage
that
you
were
in
Decline
lost
revenues
that
kind
of
thing
which
made
us
not
qualify
for
most
of
those.
So
if
there's
others
that
I'm
not
aware
of
I,
really
appreciate
we'll.
G
You,
member
McCary,
thank
you
for
being
here,
Mr
Underwood.
At
the
end
of
your
letter
to
Mr,
Riggs
and
Council,
you
did
point
out
that
the
worst
case
scenario
was
walking
away
from
the
contract.
As
we
look
at
the
at
the
next
contract.
I
was
surprised
by
that
I
I,
don't
and
I.
Don't
know
what
part
of
the
contract
does
the
contract?
Allow
you
to
walk
away,
I.
H
G
Okay,
I
need
to
look
at
it
more
carefully,
so
we
can,
you
know,
be
prepared
for
that.
If
that
is
a,
you
know
a
possible
if
that
could
happen,
I
wasn't
aware
that
that
that
that
could
happen,
but
I
appreciate
you
saying
that
it's
not
something
that
you're
considering.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
good.
H
I
think
we're
down.
We
have
five
open
positions
right
now
and
that's
gonna
ebbed
and
flowed
over
the
past
two
years.
It's
been
quite
quite
the
struggle,
as
many
organizations
had
with
with
you
know,
getting
enough
staff.
So
we've
been
running
pretty
lean
the
last
couple
years,
just
as
a
general
just
because
we
can't
get
enough
people
to
that
degree.
You
know
I've
had
supervisors
in
the
field.
H
I
myself
have
been
in
the
field
when
it
comes
down
to
it,
with
all
the
supply
chain,
issues
and
Parts
availability-
and
you
know
all
those
kinds
of
services
being
an
issue.
That's
led
to
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
overtime
for
a
lot
of
people,
which
is
not
necessarily
a
bad
thing,
but
we
we
would
like
to
get
back
up
to
that
100
Staffing
level.
We
have
46
positions,
we're
right
around
40
41
right
now,
so
it's
cost
of
battle.
You
know
to
get
people
and
keep
them
keep
them
going.
H
H
You
know
we
operate
four
trucks
every
day
in
the
city
of
Athens
Monday
through
Friday
and
then
three
on
the
weekends
as
well.
So.
F
H
I
am
not
because
our
other
major
contracts
already
have
fuel
escalations
built
into
the
contracts,
so
it's
an
automatic
on
a
month-to-month
basis.
Fuel
goes
up,
their
cost
goes
up,
the
fuel
goes
down,
their
their
cost
goes
down,
and
so,
specifically,
the
high
University
contract
that
we
hold
and
the
Athens
Arkansas
waste
District.
So
there's
a
clear
provision
in
the
contract.
That's
there's
no
back
and
forth.
It's
just
a
mechanism
and
the
contract.
The
fuel
goes
up
or
down
that
monthly
cost
is
adjusted.
F
H
H
One
contract
has
all
those
those
Provisions
in
there
so
that,
if
you
know
any
of
those
things
go
up
the
cost
of
goods
and
services
that
we
have
to
purchase
as
an
expense,
those
go
up,
then
the
cost
goes
up
and,
for
instance,
in
the
University
contract.
So
it's
an
automatic
thing
and
I
think
more
to
the
point.
H
I
guess
is
to
get
to
the
realization
that
think
about
how
the
contract
is
structured
so
that
we
have
clear
mechanisms
for
these
things
to
provide
a
cost
for
three
years
or
five
years
is
quite
difficult,
as
we
see
in
the
last
two
years
like
I.
Don't
think
anybody
anticipated
that
you'll
more
than
doubled,
so
without
any
clear
mechanisms
in
the
contract
to
deal
with
that
I
brought
some
of
those
other
things
up
to
Claire.
C
G
H
From
our
organization
standpoint,
absolutely
I
think
we
can
give
the
best
price,
because
it
removes
a
lot
of
the
risk
from
some
of
those
variables
that
neither
party
can
control.
You
know
most
standard
large
contracts,
that
for
solid
waste
that
are
multi-year,
have
field
Provisions
in
them
and
others
have.
You
know
other
Provisions
as
well
for
different
escalations.
So
absolutely
I
mean
it's.
It
removes
all
of
that
liability
and
risk
out
of
there.
C
It's
a
follow-up
question.
I
am
curious.
What
kind
of
pros
and
cons
you
could
describe
for
the
contracts
that
have
that
gas
price
escalation
built
in
versus
ours,
which
does
not.
C
Are
there
you
mentioned
it's
good
for
you
to
have
the
gas
calculated
on
a
month-to-month
basis,
but
are
there
advantages
or
disadvantages
that
you
see
to
cities
that
have
that
in
their
contract.
H
Some
of
the
other
Clauses
like,
for
instance,
in
both
Ohio
University
and
the
solid
waste
District
contract,
there's
a
clause
in
there
for
the
Commodities
value.
So
it's
a
rebate
system.
So
if
the
value
of
recycled
Commodities
goes
up,
then
they
get
more
of
a
rebate,
so
their
net
cost
is
lower
that
month
and
if
it
goes
down,
it
goes
up.
I
think
that's
a
benefit
to
both
parties.
H
C
F
F
I
This
perhaps
is
for
for
me
and
those
other
people
that
aren't
as
schooled
on
how
this
stuff
works.
But
how
does
the
mechanism
actually
work
to
go
up
when
the
fuel
prices
go
up
and
how
does
how's
that
calculated
and
monitored?
That's.
H
A
great
question:
one
of
the
most
common
ways
is:
there's
a
fuel
index
that's
put
into
the
contract
either
provided
by
the
hauler
in
the
bid
or
provided
within
the
bid
itself
for
all
holders
to
use
the
same
one.
The
one
that
we
use
is
we
use
an
index,
that's
published
by
the
the
Federal
Reserve,
it's
a
basically
the
price
of
fuel
for
that
the
average
price
of
fuel
on
Highway
diesel
for
that
month,
and
so,
since
the
the
cost
of
the
contract
there's
a
certain
percentage
that
is
fuel.
H
H
H
There
are
other
ways
to
do
that
and
calculate
that
some
of
the
data
I
provided
to
to
Mr
Riggs
and
Mr
Stone.
Basically,
we
average
out
our
fuel
usage
over
a
12-month
period
and
say
it's
x,
dot,
X
gallons
at.
K
For
clarity,
if
the
that
index
price
of
fuel
goes
down,
then
the
cost
to
Ohio
University
or
to
the
contractee
also
goes
down
right.
H
H
Correct
and
that's
you
know,
that's
you
know,
I,
don't
think
it's
a
budgeting
issue
when,
when
the
price
of
some
of
these
Commodities
that
are
needed
for
the
services
increase
this
much,
you
know
we
fuel
is
always
variable,
it
always
goes
up
and
down.
We
see
large
swings
in
it.
We
see
large
swings
in
the
Commodities
Market.
H
You
know
from
140
per
ton
of
cardboard
all
the
way
down
to
25..
So
it's
it's
always
back
and
forth.
H
So
I
think
you
know
for
something
like
fuel,
that
we
know
it's
volatile
because
of
Wars
across
the
globe
or
what
have
you
hurricanes
and
things
like
that
that
are
out
either
Partners
control
I
think
it's
doing
it
that
way,
linking
it
to
an
index
that
everybody
agrees
to
ahead
of
time.
It
was
probably
the
fairest
way
to
go
about
it.
C
F
You
may
have
just
answered
my
question
so
when
the
contract
is
written,
is
a
reference
point
a
base
point
for
that
fuel
written
into
that
contract?
In
other
words,
the
next
contract
is
going
to
start
July
1st
2023
in
that
contract.
Would
there
be
a
number
to
remember
Grace's
point:
should
fuel
drop
dramatically
below
that
number,
then
the
bill
to
us
should
also
go
down
absolutely.
H
And
I
think
maybe
July
is
not
the
best
date,
I
think
whatever
the
whatever
the
bid
comes
out.
That
should
be
the
reference
number
going
forward,
so
that
could
be
the
base
number,
whether
it's
three
dollars
and
ten
cents
or
five
dollars
and
10
cents,
because
we
won't
know,
what's
going
to
happen
that
next
seven
months,
so
whenever
the
bid
you
know
were
to
come
out-
and
it
was
it
was
bids-
were
submitted
from
the
other
haulers
then
that
month
or
the
previous
month's
price
of
diesel
could
be
the
reference
point.
That.
H
I
mean
I,
guess
the
only
benefit
there
to
to
the
mechanism
that
I
that
I
spoke
about
is
fuel
is
not
the
entire
cost
for
the
contract,
there's
labor
and
insurance
and
all
those
other
factors
in
there.
So
it
is
a
portion
of
it,
but
it's
not
the
whole
thing,
but
with
such
a
large
contract
over
you
know
three
year
period.
It's
it's
certainly
a
lot
of
diesel,
as
the
numbers
bear
out.
It's
quite
a
bit
of
extra
dollars
over
over
and
above
some
threshold
of
normal
inflation,
or
something
like
that.
C
H
Do
well,
we
have
a
local
provider
here
at
BFS
that
provides
our
fuel.
We
have
a
on
on
one
side,
tanks
that
we
feel
loved
so
buying
a
bulk
already
gets
us
a
little
bit
of
a
discount,
but
at
the
same
time
it's
still
linked
to
the
you
know.
The
global
markets.
L
You
know
so,
as
you
said,
Commodities
and
fuel
you
know
are
constantly
bouncing
up
and
down.
You
also
mentioned
labor
and
contracts
and
I'm
assuming
labor,
doesn't
go
up
and
down
labor
in
terms
of
its
cost.
Typically,
it
continues
to
go
up,
and
so
is
that
the
cause
that's
in
there
is
something
that
speaks
to.
D
Are
we
with
our
new
contract,
going
to
include
one
of
these
escalator
Clauses
and
the
plan
is
yes,
both
escalator
and
de-escalator,
depending
upon
you
know
what
the
price
of
fuel
is
at
the
bid
for
the
two
members
of
the
committee
who
are
kind
of
on
the
working
group,
as
we
put
together
the
the
next
bid?
That
is
one
of
the
provisions,
and
we
can
talk
about
that
when
we
meet
later
this
week.
D
D
You
know
fuel
prices
doubling
when,
when
this
thing
bid
I,
you
know
I,
don't
know
that
just
an
escalator
clause
for
whether
it
be
fuel
or
any
other
price
is
a
benefit
to
the
city,
because
what
that
does
is
takes
all
the
risk
to
the
city
and
and
moves
the
risk
away
from
the
from
the
protector
potential
contractor.
I
do
think
fuel
in
particular
is
a
good
one
to
have
the
escalator
and
de-escalator
clause
and
that
basically,
it
shares
the
risk
and
allows
for
us
to
avoid
having
the
situation.
D
You
know
two
or
three
years
from
now
the
current
contract
talks
about
you
know
twice
a
year
us
agreeing
to
work
together.
If
costs
have
significantly
changed,
you
know
and
that's
that's-
that's
pretty
loose
language
for
a
contract
and
we'd
like
to
have
something
better
than
that
and
I
think
we
will
going
into
this
next
one.
So
just
to
give
everyone
on
the
committee's
just
a
general
concept.
D
Our
goal
would
be
to
be
prepared
to
bid
the
new
contract,
beginning
in
latter
November,
with
bid
openings
before
the
end
of
the
calendar
year,
and
the
reason
for
that
is
so
that
we
have
a
an
idea
of
what
we're
going
to
have
six
months
prior
to
the
end
of
the
current
contract,
for
both
setting
of
rates
as
well
as
giving
notice
to
whoever
would
be
the
winning
bidder
to
be
able
to
prepare
for
anything.
That's
different
in
the
new
contractor.
G
Thank
you,
director,
stone
for
bringing
up
I
wanted
to
bring
up
the
point
that
the
current
contract
does
also
have
a
clause,
although
it's
vague
saying
that
we
would
work
together
as
partners
just
want
to
make
sure
everybody
understands
that
that's
in
the
current
contract
right.
Thank
you
then,.
C
I'll
just
ask
the
clarifying
question:
is
the
interpretation
of
that
Clause
language
that
this
is
such
a
situation
where
costs
have
changed
and
that's
why
you're
requesting
money.
C
Right
good
to
know
it's
in
the
contract,
though
any
questions
or
comments
from
audience
members
all
right.
Well,
that's
all
the
time
we
have
for
this
topic
this
evening.
Thank
you
very
much
to
you
both
for
coming
out
and
for
supporting
us,
and
that
concludes
our
city
and
Safety
Services
committee
meeting
for
the
evening.
B
Thank
you
very
much
and
excuse
me
I'm
trying
to
take
notes.
At
the
same
time,.
B
Hopefully,
we'll
now
have
the
transportation
committee
and
that's
chaired
by
council
member
Reisner
and
joined
by
council
members,
Carl
ziff
and
spielness.
M
O
Okay,
the
transportation
committee
has
one
topic
vehicle
disposal
for
Athens
Police
Department
I
spoke
with
Chief
Pyle,
just
before
the
meeting
was
called
to
order.
He
told
me
that
the
disposal
of
two
police
cruisers-
and
that
was
all
the
information
that
I
was
given
I,
don't
know
anything
more
about
what
what
kind
or
VIN
numbers
or
anything.
O
But
this
type
of
request
comes
up
from
time
to
time
and
to
dispose
of
city
property
like
this
has
to
come
through
Council
and
there'll
be
an
ordinance
put
together
where
the
administration
will
come
up
with
some
mechanism
to
dispose
of
the
of
the
vehicle
and
bid
or
donate
to
another
Police
Department
someplace,
or
that
sort
of
thing
with
the
administration
care
to
speak.
To
this.
L
Reserve
that
has
lived
its
useful
life
and
it's
time
to
retire
and
the
other
is
an
unmarked
vehicle.
It
too
has
lived
its
useful
life
and
needs
to
be
retired.
F
L
We
will
you
can
speak
to
us.
Thank
you.
D
So
so
the
cruiser
is
specifically
going
into
the
lease
program,
so
you
know
the
body
remembers.
D
We
previously
had
a
pretty
significant
glut
of
vehicles
that
were
approved
for
disposal
under
the
lease
program
and
then,
ultimately,
we
were
released
by
the
least
vehicles,
so
the
cruiser
will
be
in
in
that
this
is
one
that
entered
the
kind
of
end
of
useful
life
since
the
last
time
that
we
did
this
and
then
999
Don
marked
specifically,
we
actually
recently
had
a
forfeited
vehicle
in
a
case.
That's
a
2017
vehicle.
D
So
it's
much
newer
and
we're
going
to
replace
the
unmarked
vehicle,
which
I
think
is
the
2009,
with
the
with
the
with
the
one
that
was
seized
through
a
Forger.
Remember
that
one
will
not
be
a
purchase,
that's
already
owned,
but
right
so
you'll
just
pay
tile
to
it.
N
O
Other
members
of
Council
remember
spillness.
I
Thank
you,
member
Reisner,
so
as
a
person
who
keeps
their
vehicle
until
it
doesn't
go
anymore,
which
is
probably
not
the
best
plan,
but
it
works
for
me.
Obviously
you
need
to
turn
yours
over
before
that
kind
of
time,
but
I'm
just
curious.
What
what
indicators
are
there
to
it's
time
for
this
one
to
to
get
out
of
the
rotation
you.
L
Know
basically,
it's
when
we
start
looking
at
the
cost
of
maintenance
on
that
vehicle,
with
repairs
and
transmission,
Replacements
and
so
and
so
forth.
There's
a
break
point
where
you
know
that
that
vehicle
has
lived
its
useful
life
as
I
indicated.
I.
Think
keep
in
mind
too
that
these
are
all
city
street
miles.
This
is
not
highway
miles,
so
there's
a
lot
of
start.
Stop,
there's
a
lot
of
wear
and
tear
on
basically
all
of
our
Fleet,
but
the
police
cruisers
in
particular.
L
We
do
hang
on
to
them
in
in
the
past,
we've
held
on
to
them
for
a
very
long
time
for
a
very
long
time
and
we
would
typically
retire
something
from
one
department,
and
you
know
it
was
a
hand-me-down
to
another
department
and
to
where
Arts,
Parks
and
Recreation,
or
the
engineering
and
Public
Works
would
pick
up
a
lot
of
the
old
Impalas
or
Crown
Vics
or
vehicles
of
that
nature,
but
again
with
this
lease
program
for
us
to
be
able
to
use
that
as
our
way
of
doing
business.
L
That's
my
goal
is
to
make
sure
that
we
continue
to
expand
as
those
Vehicles
become
available,
where
we're
really
being
challenged
at
this
point
in
the
game
is,
as
every
other
Fleet
out
there
is
being
challenged
with.
Replacements
is
the
supply
chain
and,
and
chips
for
the
automotive
industry
is,
is
really
setting
us
back.
Unfortunately,
with
a
lot
of
what
I
would
like
to
see
us
have,
but
again,
the
beauty
of
having
a
lease
program
is
that
we
can.
D
To
the
mayor's
pointer
to
put
an
explanation
point
on
the
mayor's
comments
there,
you
know
the
only
Pursuit
rated
EV
at
the
moment
is
the
Tesla.
Those
are
somewhat
backordered
we're
attempting
to
get.
Hopefully
in
the
future,
there
will
be
more
Pursuit
rated,
auto
manufacturers
for
other
other
models
that
would
be
available
in
our
lease
program
as
we
go
to
move
towards
that.
D
To
to
the
question
of
when
you
know,
100
000
miles
is
a
pretty
good
marker,
particularly
when
they're
they're
City
miles
like
the
mayor,
said,
and
you've
got
that
that
stop
start
and
that
that
running
on
city
streets
to
start
really
looking
at
and
and
really,
if
you
think
about
it,
we
got
seven
marked
Cruisers
as
part
of
the
Athens
Police
Department,
and
until
the
city
grows
a
significant
amount
of
size.
Seven
is
about
the
right
number.
I
gotta
have
at
any
given
time
for
absolutely
running.
D
No,
no
no
questions
asked
because
we
have
to
be
able
to
respond
in
that
particular
thing.
So
you
can.
You
could
have
up
to
three
that
were
broken
or
in
the
shop
or
getting
oil
changes,
or
maybe
you
know
we're
in
a
crash
and
they're
at
the
body
shop
or
what
have
you,
but
we
have
to
have
four
Cruisers
to
be
able
to
run,
and
so
that's
kind
of
our
indicator.
You
know
it's
somewhat
soft,
it's
not
like
a
definitive.
D
You
know
this
number
of
miles
and
this
amount
of
Maintenance
per
year,
but
it's
it's
like
the
mayor
said.
You
know
we
look
at
it
and
we
say:
okay,
it's
time
to
it's
time,
to
turn
these
over.
L
Ohio
has
two
EV
Teslas
two
Teslas
running
in
their
Fleet,
so
we.
O
In
case
no
one
heard
me
right
well.
That
concludes
Transportation
committee.
K
Thank
you
president
nicely,
and
we
do
have
a
few
items
for
discussion
on
the
agenda
this
evening
and
we're
starting
with
a
renewal
of
the
discussion
about
the
amendment
to
Title
VII,
which
is
our
traffic
code,
and
this
is
something
that
was
discussed
previously
in
committee.
But
in
follow-up
discussions
with
our
Clerk
of
counsel
and
law,
director
Eliason
and
myself.
K
We
thought
it
would
be
wise
to
bring
this
back
for
a
little
bit
more
discussion
and
just
to
be
sure
that
there's
Clarity
on
a
couple
of
specific
issues
and
several
of
those
issues
have
been
resolved
through
just
communication
in
terms
of
clarifying
some
definitions
about
vehicle
and
when
a
bicycle
or
electric
bicycle
or
scooter
is
included
or
excluded
from
specific
sections
and
then
the
other
section
that
maybe
requires
a
little
bit
more
discussion
and
talking
about
is
the
section
on
Towing
and
so
law.
P
P
We
in
looking
at
the
definition
of
vehicle
and
member
Crowell
actually
did
a
very
deep
dive
into
this.
So
I
thank
him
for
that.
He
noticed
that
in
the
definition
of
vehicle
there
was
no
mention
of
a
electric
scooter
which,
as
you
recall
and
I,
think
right.
There
were
several
council
members
who
did
a
deep
dive
into
it
and
I
appreciate
that.
So
there
was
no
mention
of
electric
scooters,
so
I
went
back
and
took
another
look
at
it
and
there
are
two
places
that
need
to
have
the
inclusion
of
electric
scooter.
P
One
is
the
definition
under
70102,
that's
of
the
Athen
City
code
and
vehicle
and
in
addition
to
the
list
of
motorized
bicycle
and
an
electric
bicycle
and
pursuant
to
our
Authority,
which
we
do
have
Authority
Under
4511
51283.
We
can
regulate
personal
assistive
Mobility
devices
such
as
an
electric
scooter,
so
I
believe
that
you
received
the
update
on
that
and
then
so
that
is
included
in
the
definition
of
vehicle.
P
An
electric
scooter
one
note
I
want
to
make
is
the
Ohio
Revised
Code
and
then
our
app
and
city
code
will
exclude
an
motorized
wheelchair
or
any
low
speed.
Micro
Mobility
device
is
defined
in
45
1101
or
a
personal
delivery
device
is
defined
in
4511,
513
and
I.
Think
that
maybe
those
were
sent
out
to
you.
P
Those
definitions
but
I
would
recommend
that
under
vehicle
under
the
BBB
that
we
add
the
electric
personal
assistive
Mobility
device,
such
as
an
electric
scooter,
so
there's
one
other
place
that
that
needs
to
be
added
and
that
centers
704-24
and
again
this
was
pointed
out
to
me
and
I
appreciate
it.
This
is
signaling
before
stopping
turning
or
changing
course.
So
in
the
list
where
it
says
operating
a
bicycle
or
electric
bicycle,
it
should
say:
bicycle
comma,
electric
bicycle
or
electric
personal
assistive,
Mobility
device
such
as
an
electric
scooter,
and
there
are
two
places
in
there.
P
But
of
note
the
last
sentence
says
a
bicycle
electric
bicycle,
and
this
will
be
with
our
our
update
to
it
or
elect
electric
personal
assistive.
Mobility
device
such
as
electric
scooter
is
not
required
to
make
a
signal
if
the
bicycle
electric
bicycle
or
personal
elective
Mobility
device,
such
as
electric
scooter,
is
in
a
designated
turn
lane
and
a
signal
shall
not
be
given
when
the
operator's
hands
are
needed
for
the
safe,
safe
operation
of
the
bicycle,
electric
bicycle
or
the
scooter.
P
So
those
are
two
places
where
that
should
be
updated
and
then,
of
course,
we
took
another
look
at
the
towing
and
the
only
thing
that
we're
updating
here
is
the
towing
from
private
tow
away
zones.
P
P
I
So
in
looking
at
the
towing
there's
a
section
of
course,
I
copied
it
and
pasted
it
onto
my
thing.
It
says
if
the
owner
operator
and
I
think
this
is
7.0,
7.0302,
I
think,
but.
I
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
because
second.
I
G
I
I
I
However,
if
the
vehicle
is
within
a
municipal
Corporation
and
the
municipal
Corporation
has
established
a
vehicle
removal
fee,
the
towing
service
shall
give
the
owner
operator
with
oral
written
notification
of
the
unwrap
or
operator
May
pay,
not
more
than
one
half
of
that
fee
to
obtain
release
of
the
motor
vehicle.
So
I
I
did
not
see
that
in
there
and
I
think
that
I
would
like
to
see
that
in
there
and
I
I
had
to
go.
I
You
know
going
through
the
law
and
I'm
so
glad
you're
doing
this
and
I
didn't
choose
this
as
a
profession.
I
have
to
go
from
one
link
to
another
link
to
another
link
until
you
finally
find
you
know
a
particular
thing
that
you're
looking
for
so
I
have
printed
that
out,
but
I
have
I,
unfortunately,
did
not
wait
a
minute.
The.
I
K
Then
you
know
the
the
new
language
that
would
go
into
ours
specifies
that
the
vehicle
owner
or
operator
May
pay
a
fee
of
not
more
than
one
half
of
the
fee
for
the
removal
of
the
vehicle.
K
I
I
So
it's
just
it's
it's
that
and
I
can
give
you
the
details
of
that
I
just
found
that
this
afternoon
law,
director,
Eliason
so
I,
okay,
I'll,
take
a
look
at
that,
okay
and
and
if
I
misinterpreted,
that
I,
don't
think
so,
but
I
could
have.
But
I
would
like
to
make
sure
that
that
is
in
fact
in
there,
because
everything
else
was
so
I.
I
Yeah
well
and
then
it
then
goes
on
to
say
that
fee
may
be
paid
by
use
of
a
major
credit
card
unless
the
towing
service
uses
a
mobile
credit
card.
Processor
and
mobile
service
is
not
available
at
the
time
of
the
transaction.
I
think
that.
I
I
Like
to
say
that
I'm
happy
with
this
change,
having
read
the
orc
before
about
what's
in
there
and
because
there
had
been
some
dispute
about
what
the
law
says,
I
think
this
clarifies
those
and
because
I
have
some
things.
I
still
want
to
do
with
the
towing
ordinance
separate
from
this.
This
sets
that
up
quite
frankly,
quite
well,
so
thank
you
very
much.
O
O
P
O
K
And
we
still
have
a
section
of
our
code
that
is
amended
with
this
ordinance,
and
this
is
one
of
the
new
changes
that
says:
charges
for
towing
other
than
Towing
from
a
private
tow
away
Zone.
So
the
other
section
of
city
code
clearly
lays
out
that
it's
for
toes
other
than
those
in
a
private
toe
away
zone.
So
the
new
language,
references,
orc
and
the
codes
established
or
the
feeds
established
by
the
pucl.
O
P
P
Are
very
specific
if
someone
establishes
a
parking
lot
and
has
a
contract
with
a
tow
company
to
come
in
and
Tow
if
somebody's
parked
in
that
lot,
then
it's
controlled
by
the
Ohio
Revised
Code,
and
then
we
can
we've
Incorporated
that
into
the
Athens
city
code,
to
make
it
very
specific
and
those
are
the
fees
regulated
by
the
puco.
However,
let's
say
that
somebody
parks
on
your
property
or
on
public
property,
then
that's
regulated
in
a
different
manner
and
the
toe
fees
are
regulated
in
a
different
manner.
F
F
So
we're
not
going
to
touch
that,
even
though
the
the
the
the
prices
for
lack
of
a
better
word
in
here
were
last
modified
on
January
1st
of
2002.
F
To
give
you
an
idea,
we
raised
it
to
fifty
dollars
if
you
run
a
any
Google
inflation
calculator
today,
that
would
be
83
dollars
in
some
sense,
which
is
rather
ironic,
because
I
made
some
calls
to
various
insurance
companies
here
in
town
that
have
experience
with
reimbursing
people
who
get
towed.
In
other
words,
you
go
out
in
the
morning
and
your
car
just
won't
start.
Some
people
have
AAA.
Some
people
have
that
on
their
insurance
policy,
and
so
you
call
you
call
a
tow
company
here
in
Athens.
F
The
ballpark
figure
that
people
are
getting
towed
or
getting
charged
and
reimbursed
is
somewhere
between
75
and
90
dollars,
so
that
83
dollar
figure
would
be
very,
very
much
in
line
I
guess
the
point
I'm
making
is-
and
this
may
be
what
you
were
talking
about
to
get
this
done,
and
then
we
come
back
and
look
at
7.06.17.
P
The
I'll
leave
that
up
to
council.
If,
if
we
want
to
sever
off
this
Towing
section,
we
can
and
just
enact
the
rest
of
it
and
then
work
on
the
rest
of
Towing.
F
Because
I
would
contend
that
those
other
charges
are
way
out
of
line
2002..
We
we
talked
about.
We
hadn't
raised
what
trash
rates
in
10
years
we
haven't
touched
those
in
that's
20
years.
K
And
that's
an
issue
that
has
come
before
Council
multiple
times
and
has
not
had
support
to
pass
and
change
that.
So
that
is
something
that
I
I
think
needs
to
be
addressed,
but
has
created
enough
Division
and
controversy,
because
those
are
the
fees
that
a
council
can
regulate.
K
So
my
opinion
is
that
it
makes
sense
to
adopt
these
changes
as
they
stand
right
now,
because
the
purpose
of
this
ordinance
that
is
currently
before
us
is
to
align
with
orc,
and
that
does
this
for
the
the
toes
from
private
tow
away
zones,
which
we
do
not
have
the
authority
to
set
those
fees,
and
so
it
makes
sense
to
do
this
separately.
And
then,
when
the
transportation
committee
would
like
to
bring
back
the
other
Towing
issues,
then
then
I
think
that
could
happen
there.
K
But
by
changing
the
title
of
that
section,
it
clarifies
that
those
fees
that
can
be
set
locally
are
four
toes
other
than
from
the
private
tow
away
zone.
So
that
was
the
concern
was
that
we
we
did
not
want
to
have
a
chapter
of
our
code,
a
section
of
code
that
sets
fees
and
then
makes
it
unclear
with
the
the
difference
between
the
private,
tow
away
zones
and
other
Towing
zones,
so
I
think
by
changing
the
title
of
70617,
while
adopting
these
changes
to
align
with
orc.
K
That
makes
that
separation
clear
and
then,
as
members
to
be
on
this
has
stated
she
has
a
particular
interest
in
working
on
the
other
sections
of
our
Towing
within
code.
So
my
my
preference
is
to
move
forward
with
the
ordinance,
as
is
with
the
possible
exception
of
that
one
section
of
language
that
law
director
Eliason
is
going
to
look
into.
F
Point
so
basically
you're
saying:
let's
do
this,
which
I
agree
with
and
then
we'll
get
something
together
through
the
transportation
committee
to
address
the
other.
Yes,.
K
That
is,
that
is
my
preferred
course
of
action,
so
that
then
we
have
the
language
to
align
our
traffic
ordinances
with
orc,
where
they
need
to
be.
Are
there
other
comments
or
questions
at
this
time?
The
city
Administration.
D
As
we've
talked
extensively
about
Towing
over
the
last
several
months
and
and
I
want
to
make
it
clear
that
the
city
Administration
does
not
relish
Towing
people,
we
don't
seek
to
tow
people
from
public
property.
It's
not
something
that
we
attempt
to
do,
or
we
just
go
out
and
like
search
for
people
and
give
a
reason
to
if,
if
we're
towing
a
person
from
a
public
property,
it's
for
a
reason
they're
blocking
a
fire.
Hydrant
they're
parked
in
somebody's
driveway
and
the
person
calls
the
police
department
and
they
can't
leave.
D
It
is
not
a
situation
like
you
have
where
you
know.
A
private
property
owner
has
a
parking
lot
where
they've
lease
Towing
space
or
they
leave
spaces
to
to
somebody
and
they
pay
a
a
tow
company,
come
Patrol
and
look
to
make
sure
that
the
license
plate
is
I.
Think
so.
I,
I
guess
and
the
only
reason
I
bring
that
up.
Is
you,
as
you
prepare
to
discuss
what
the
rates
are
going
to
be
for
public
Towing
is?
D
So
as
you
debate
this
going
forward
and
talking
about
it
separately,
that's
that's
what
I
would
ask
you
to
do,
but
please
know
contrary
to
what
has
maybe
been
said
by
some
of
the
members
in
the
public
who've
spoken
about
this
issue
is
there
is
not
a
predatory
bone
in
the
State
Police,
Department
or
city
parking,
enforcement's
body
when
it
comes
to
to
you
know,
Towing
folks,
from
public
property
in
the
city.
That's
all.
I
Thank
you,
director,
Stone
I,
certainly
for
myself,
never
thought
that
the
city
had
that
idea
or
was
was
trying
to
do
predatory,
Towing
so
having
you
say
that
is
fine,
but
I.
Don't
I
certainly
never
thought
that
was
the
case
I.
My
concern
is
not
how
the
city,
or
even
how
private
Property
Owners
handle
it.
My
concern
is
that
we
have
towing
services
that
are
doing
it
fairly
and
honestly
in
following
the
law.
That
is
my
concern.
Thank
you.
F
Said
in
fact,
the
mayor
and
I
are
very
aware
of
a
situation
today
where
we
very
well
could
have
towed
a
boat,
but
we
took
all
kinds
of
measures
to
find
out
who
the
boat
belonged
to
contacted
the
owner
and
the
owner
very
cooperatively
within
two
or
three
days
is
going
to
have
the
boat
moved.
That's
how
the
city
operates
and
to
paint
the
city
with
a
broad
brushes
going
out
and
wanting
to
yank
every
car
out
every
out
of
every
lot.
It
is
just
just
not.
The
case
is
not
the
case.
L
Clarify
I
think
that's
a
great
point.
You
know
I
mean
to
add
to
that
and
I'll
be
quick
is
that
we
also
ended
up
towing,
a
camper
pop-up
camper
on
Morris
Avenue
that
was
missing
its
license
plates
and
had
been
sitting
there
for
months
on
end.
So
cases
like
that,
you
know
clearly
an
abandoned
vehicle
or
trailer
or
whatever
warrants
being
towed
yeah
even.
C
Thank
you.
I
just
wanted
to
ask
a
summary
question
since
there's
a
lot
of
information
a
lot
at
all
when
it
comes
to
traffic,
anything
is
well
understood
as
what
a
green
light
tells
you
to
do,
and
what
a
red
light
tells
you
to
do,
but
for
the
public
in
terms
of
changes
or
takeaways
or
highlights
stands
out
to
me
that
the
scooters
are
kind
of
a
new
way
of
understanding
rules
and
perhaps
some
of
the
towing,
but
are
there
I
guess
this
is
a
question
for
a
law
director
based
on
your
review?
P
Take
a
look
at
this,
but
I
think
it's
just
updating
it
to.
If
members
of
the
public
want
to
take
a
look
at
I,
think
it's
on
the
shared
drive
or
we
can
provide
it.
But
it's
just
really
updating
updating
our
code
to
match
the
high
Revised
Code
and
again,
some
of
it
hadn't
been
updated
for
decades,
but
we
did
get
it
updated
and
these
are
just
changes
from
the
past
year.
So.
K
That
hadn't
previously
raised
any
questions
or
concerns,
but
it
it
does
spell
out
in
detail
what
colors
of
lights
are
allowed
on,
which
types
of
vehicles
and
for
that-
and
this
is
all
clarifying
language
under
the
heading
that
flashing
lights
are
prohibited
on
Motor
Vehicles,
except
as
a
means
for
indicating
a
right
or
left.
J
K
Or
in
the
presence
of
vehicular
traffic
hazards
requiring
unusual
care
and
approaching
or
overtaking
or
passing,
and
then
it
spells
out
in
detail
exceptions
to
that.
Are
there
other
comments
or
questions
seeing
them?
I
I
believe
this
will
likely
be
ready
for
first
reading
at
our
next
council
meeting,
unless
there
are
concerns
over
that
one
section
which
a
lot
director
lies,
but
I
think
we
should
be
ready
for
first
reading.
This
notes
for
our
clerk-
yes,
well,
yes,
well,
she'll
be
preparing
them.
K
Okay,
thank
you
and
moving
on
to
the
next
item
on
our
agenda
this
evening.
It
is
a
amendment
to
title
23
zoning
code,
and
this
comes
to
council
by
way
of
a
unanimous
vote
from
the
City
Planning
Commission,
and
they
provided
to
us
some
very
specific
recommendations
for
changing
our
City
Zoning
code
and
I
greatly
appreciate
the
work
that
has
gone
into
preparing
this
and
what
it
this
language
does.
K
Is
it
provides
specifications
for
accessory
Energy
Systems,
which
was
something
that
was
missing
in
our
zoning
rules
within
the
city,
and
so
with
this
amendment,
citizens
will
have
easier
access
to
renewable
energy
sources
and,
as
well
as
the
to
be
able
to
apply
for
inflation
reduction,
act
solar
tax
dollars,
and
it
allows
our
our
code
to
address
the
solar
and
renewable
energy
in
business
and
open
space
zones
as
well.
K
L
Just
a
comment
to
kind
of
kick
things
off.
You
know
director
rigs
put
a
lot
of
work
into
this
I
think
Council
already
recognizes
that
the
city
of
Athens
is
a
sole
smart
city,
which
that
is
a
designation
bestowed
upon
communities
that
have
kind
of
gone
the
extra
mile
to
cut
through
the
red
tape
for
residential
solar,
we're
currently
bronze
level.
L
Some
time
ago,
I
asked
director
Riggs
to
really
take
another
deep
dive
into
what
we
can
do
to
cut
through
more
red
tape
for
the
citizens.
It's
almost.
It
was
pretty
serendipitous
that
this
all
kind
of
aligned
itself
at
the
same
time
as
the
inflation
reduction
act,
which,
within
that
particular
Federal
bill,
is
a
lot
of
solar
tax
credits
or
renewable
energy
tax
credits
that
municipalities
could
take
advantage
of
as
well
as
residents
can
take
advantage
of.
L
So
this
is
another
step
down
that
path,
to
make
it
easier
for
our
residents
to
install
solar,
whether
it
be
ground,
Mount
or
roof
mount
solar
on
their
properties.
It
also
addresses
an
issue
that
we
noticed
for
the
city
itself
with
the
other
zones,
things
like
open
space,
OS
zones
or
manufacturing
zones.
L
So
this
speaks
to
that
as
well,
but
again,
I'm
going
to
give
a
lot
of
credit
to
director
Riggs
for
for
again
getting
us
down
this
path,
and
the
timing
couldn't
be
better
for
this
to
move
forward
with
people
being
able
to
take
advantage
of
the
inflation
reduction
Act
tax
credits
for
solar
on
their
homes.
D
Sure
so
I'd
ask
the
body
to
look
at
this
in
really
three
different.
Three
different
blocks
of
information,
the
first
one
in
2303
it
talks
about
when
renewable
or
energy
systems
are
are
being
used
as
either
accessories
to
a
different
use
in
in
the
in
the
zone.
D
So,
for
instance,
what
you
think
of
is
roof
mounted
or
something
in
your
backyard,
backyard,
solar
and
then
also,
if
you
look
at
230312,
a
press
or
a
principal
Renewable,
Energy
System,
and
that's
when
the
the
main
use
of
that
parcel
is
going
to
be
for
that
system
and
what
the
provisions
are
in
each
of
those
situations,
and
this
speaks
to
solar.
But
it
also
speaks
to
wind
and
speaks
to
geothermal
as
well.
D
You
know,
one
of
the
things
that
we
were
pretty
insistent
upon
is
when
it's
a
principal
use
that
a
couple
of
the
zones
in
our
city
that
we
don't
have
very
much
of
are
protected.
So
it's
not
converted
can
entire
early
to
a
principal
use
of
a
energy
system
and
specifically
that's
a
business
or
an
industrial
Zone.
D
You
know
we
don't
want
all
of
our
b-zone
areas
or
our
M-zone
areas
in
the
city
completely
covered
in
solar
panels
and
then
not
being
able
to
have
any
businesses
that
pay
income
tax
that
allow
us
to
support
city
services,
so
you
can
do
accessory
uses
all
day,
can't
make
it
a
principal
use
in
those
particular
locations.
There
are
some
other
Provisions
specifically
when,
when
the
principal
use
is
in
a
residential
Zone,
it
has
to
be
conditionally
permitted.
That
is
to
say,
it
goes
before
the
board
of
zoning
appeals.
D
So
there's
an
extra
check
in
those
particular
situations.
When
it's
in
accessory
use,
you
can
you
can
do
it.
You
know
pretty
much
pretty
much
anywhere
as
long
as
you
do
it
within
the
confines
that
we've
we've
established
here
within
the
Zone.
The
second
section
that
the
Planning
Commission
put
forward
talks
about
a
couple
minor
chases
changes
changes
to
2404,
and
this
is
specifically
some
modifications
to
what
happens
in
business
zones,
and
it
really
is
talking
about
outdoor
dining.
We
recognize
that
that
outdoor
dining
is
something
that,
especially
with
the
Kobe
pandemic.
D
D
So
we
went
ahead
and
Incorporated
those
changes,
as
well
as
some
modifications
to
the
distance
from
an
R1
Zone
that
a
a
drive-through
can
be,
and
what
we
found
is
that
all
of
the
places
in
recent
times
that
have
you
know
been
within
200
feet
of
an
R
zone
with
a
drive
through
have
gone
to
the
board
of
design,
appeals
and
Border.
Zone
appeals
has
approved
it,
and
so
we've
recommended
the
Planning.
D
Commission
is
recommended
to
reduce
that
to
100
feet
and
then
the
last
section
specifically
is
2306,
and
this
has
to
do
with
just
kind
of
some
cleanup
of
stuff
that
we
simply
don't
do,
and
we
believe
this
is
some
real
old
language
in
our
zoning
code
about
certificates
and
permits
particularly
certificate
of
Health
officer.
There
is
no
Health
officer
on
the
city
staff,
not
sure
where
that
came
from.
It's
been
in
there
for
a
long
time.
We
recommend
it.
Just
comes
out.
D
Occupancy
permits
are
issued
by
the
State
Department
of
Commerce
with
a
building
you
know,
building
accuracy
permits,
so
it's
not
something
a
city
does
and
then.
Lastly,
excavation
permits
are
really
handled
by
title
27
in
Our,
Land
Development,
as
well
as
title
41,
our
site
plan
review.
So
we
don't
feel
as
though
there
needs
to
be
a
permit
in
voting
permit.
So
those
are
the
three
kind
of
batches
of
pieces
of
information.
We're
asking
you
to
change.
K
Thank
you.
Are
there
questions
I
I
think
it
makes
sense
to
sort
of
ask
or
answer
questions
make
comments
by
section
because
they
are
very
different.
So
are
there
questions
relating
to
the
energy
changes
for
renewable
energy
sources?
Yes,
member
McCary.
D
K
I
So
and
and
maybe
I'm
being.
I
I'm
being
so
under
section
23,
oh
230311,
it
says
accessory
structure
structures
and
accessory
energy
structures
below
that
there's
a
section
for
detached
and
a
section
for
attached,
accessory
structures
and
so
separately
from
that
is
the
accessory
energy
structures,
but
some
of
the
language
under
detached
and
attached
I
think
conflict
a
little
bit
with.
Thus
the
part
about
the
energy
accessory
energy
structures,
so
I'm
wondering,
if
take
another,
look
at
that
to
see,
if
maybe
that's
the
clarity
of
that
is
a
little
bit
better.
I
Considering
it's
a
legal
document
so
because
it
refers
to
accessory
structures
under
detached
and
then
it
says
you
can
only
have
there
shall
not
be
more
than
one
principle
dwelling
and
two
accessory
structures
again.
This
is
a
little
bit
Petty,
but
I'm
wondering
if
that
could
be
cleared
up
just
a
little
bit.
I
think
that
would
be
helpful
and
I'm
wondering
about
there's
a
place
where
it
says:
roof
mounted
AES
are
exempt
from
screening
requirements,
any
departments.
What's
that.
D
So
in
ground
mounted
solar,
there
are
yeah,
it
says:
Grandma
disorder
exempt
from
screening
requirements.
We
do
have
screening
requirements
when
you,
when
you
make
changes
to
property
adjacent
to
an
R
zone.
So,
for
instance,
if
you
make
changes
to
a
b
Zone
that
is
immediately
adjacent
to
an
R
zone
within
a
certain
distance
there's
screening
requirements.
This
would
basically
say
if
you
go
and
put
solar
I'm
trying
to
think
of
an
example.
D
You
know
the
classic
example
is
is,
is
you
know
the
Simpson
Avenue
B
Zone
adjacent
medially
adjacent
to
the
R
zone
on
the
near
East
neighborhood
you
put
solar
on
top
of
one
of
those
roofs.
Would
that
trigger
a
screening
requirement
for
you
to
to
screen
the
adjacent
properties?
And
this
would
say
no
okay.
I
I
just
wasn't
clear
exactly
what
screening
in
that
context
was
again
kind
of
petty,
but
under
four
wind
powered
AES
section
for
the
word
voltage
is
misspelled,
just
a
quick,
fixed
there
and
then
I'm
going
to
skip
that
part
and
go
back.
J
I
0407B3
business
Zone
there's
some
gender
specific
language
in
there.
Well
that
ought
to
be
fixed
and
then
it
says,
item
one:
all:
businesses,
services
or
processing
shall
be
conducted
wholly
within
a
completely
enclosed
building,
except
for
sale
of
fuel,
blah
blah
blah
and
the
use
is
specified
in
paragraphs
A9
and
10
below
I
didn't
see
an
A9
and
10
below
so
and
obviously
we
do
have
Provisions
for
businesses
being
outside
as
well
as
inside,
so
that
word
should
probably
be
changed.
D
If
I
may,
on
that
one
members
spilledness
the
8,
10
8,
9
and
10
have
been,
you
know
not
included
in
this
particular
document
that
the
Planning
Commission
forwarded
it's
in
there.
I
can
quickly
go
back
and
look
at
the
ACC
to
find
out
what
810
and
or
A9
and
10
are.
It
just
was
left
out
of
this
particular
document
that
was
set
forward.
I
D
A
non-conforming
legal
use
would
be
a
grandfathered
use
for
whatever
reason
that
was
being
used
that
way
prior
to
the
zoning
law
being
put
into
effect.
Another
non-conforming
legal
use
would
be
a
a
use
that
was
granted
a
variance
for
whatever
reason
through
the
board
is
only
it
feels
at
one
point
and
then
it's
so
it's
not
conforming,
so
it
doesn't
automatically
conform
with
that
particular
provision
of
the
zoning
code,
but
because
it
was
either
grandfathered
before
or
granted
of
variance
by
the
board
of
zoning
appeals.
It's
it's
legal
and
it's.
I
Okay
and
and
if
you'll
bear
with
me,
I
do
have
one
other
point,
and
this
is
not,
and
I
I
just
want
to
say,
I'm
really
happy
that
you're
doing
this.
This
is
great
I'm,
so
happy
that
you
are
adding
this
in.
As
the
mayor
said,
it's
a
perfect
timing
to
talk
about
accessory
energy
structures.
That's
wonderful,
but
I
ran
across
this.
I
That
I
do
have
a
concern
about,
and
that
is-
and
it
was
it's
not
part
of
this,
but
I-
think
as
long
as
we're
talking
about
this
section,
I
think
we
need
to
bring
it
up,
and
that
is
section
23.0311
part.
A
item
four
says
no
accessory
structure
shall
contain
permanent
living
quarters.
I
My
concern
about
that
is
accessory
housing
units
are
an
important
strategy
to
not
only
make
more
housing
available
but
also
more
affordable.
We
have
a
number
of
people.
I
know
personally
that
have
garages
with
permanent
living
quarters,
above
which
may
be
one
of
those
non-conforming
grandfathered
in,
but
I
think
that
now
is
a
good
time
to
talk
about.
I
I
This
helps
families
have
opportunities
to
help
their
grandparent
or
you
know,
a
child
or
whatever
to
have
a
place
to
live,
and
you
know
it
in
in
many
places
it's
really
working,
and
it's
certainly
working
for
my
friends
who
have
this
so
I
realize
this
would
need
to
be
carefully
handled
and
under
close
discussion
and
I'm
not
suggesting
this
is
the
time
but
I
I
don't
want
this
to
go
by
without
having
bringing
this
to
council
and
the
mayor
and
director's
attention,
because
this
is
something
that
is
going
to
be
on
everyone's
radar
and
is
certainly
recommended
by,
for
example,
the
American
Planning
Association.
K
And
if
I'll
respond
quickly,
if
you
don't
mind
Mr,
Mayor
and
then
members
to
be
honest,
I
agree
100,
and
this
is
something
that
the
affordable
housing
commission
has
discussed
and
passed.
And
it
is
it's
a
big
issue
that
requires
a
lot
of
careful
planning
and
looking
at
it.
But.
K
There
was
just
to
be
perfectly
honest.
There
was
a
part
of
me
that
wanted
to
not
introduce
the
rest
of
this
until
we
could
do
that
too.
But
I
think
that
that
will
that's
a
change,
that
a
lot
of
people
will
care
very
passionately
about
and
that
I
think
should
involve
a
lot
of
open
dialogue
and
conversations
with
members
of
each
different
Community
here
within
Athens,
all
the
different
neighborhoods
and
so
I
I
absolutely
agree
this.
K
It's
something
that
should
be
addressed,
but
I
think
that
it
would
be
good
to
go
ahead
and
make
these
other
changes
now
and
but
I
appreciate
that
you
brought
that
up
because
I
agree
100
and
that's
something
that
I
have
discussed
with
with
our
city
planner
quite
a
bit,
and
that's
that
is
a
personal
goal
of
mine
to
to
really
look
at
that
issue
here
in
the
city.
I
L
I
want
to
acknowledge
your
comment:
I
agree
and
I'm
going
to
Echo
everything
that
councilmember
Grace
just
said.
So
no
I
I
agree
with
you.
Housing
is
a
big
issue
here
in
the
city
of
Athens.
There
is
accessory
structures
that
could
be
potentially
thought
of
differently,
but
at
the
sake
of
getting
this
legislation,
these
amendments
moving
forward
to
unlock
that
door
for
our
residents
to
start
thinking,
solar
tax
credits
or
renewable
energy
tax
credits.
You
know,
but
I
think
it's
prudent
for
us
to
move
this
forward,
but
acknowledge
your
comments
and
agree.
I.
I
Do
have
one
of
those,
but
as
a
member
of
the
Planning
Commission
knows,
the
University
of
state's
HOA
says
we're
not
allowed
to
have
roof
solar
panels.
If
we
pass
this,
would
that
nullify
that
provision.
J
L
I
mean
three:
if
the
HOA
has
their
rules
and
guidelines,
you
know,
then
you
know
that's
something
that
internally,
those
as
who
are
members
of
the
HOA
should
take
it
up
if
they
feel
strongly
that
that
they
would
like
to
be
able
to
take
advantage
of
these
provisions,
yet
that's
restricted
because
of
the
HOA
language.
So
that's
something
I
think
internally.
That
would
have
to
be
discussed
by
members
of
the
HOA
board.
D
A
little
bit
if
I
get
a
little
bit
further
because
we've
dealt
with
this
in
a
couple
locations
is
an
HOA
can
be
more
restrictive.
It
can't
be
less
restrictive
than
a
zoning,
a
City
Zoning
situation.
So
you
know
in
that
particular
instance.
You
know
the
city
can
like
that
would
be
a
more
restrictive
provision
that
the
HOA
hasn't
placed
through
covenants.
D
Now
the
enforcement
mechanism
is
through
civil
action
that
the
HOA
would
take
against
a
resident
who
would
Place
solar
panels
in
conflict
with
the
the
hoa's
covenants,
and
then
you
could
fight
in
court
about
that.
But
you
couldn't
do
a
situation
where
the
zoning
restricted
it
and
then
the
AJ
said
you
know
what
you
can
do
it
anyway.
That
would
not
be
allowed,
but
but
to
your
point
that
it
wouldn't
be
allowed.
If
the
AJ
says
it
can
be,
at
least
according
to
civil
enforcement,
the
city
wouldn't
enforce
it.
K
Just
to
to
return
to
your
previous
question
or
comment
about
A9
and
10
as
exceptions
to
fully
enclosed
or
holy
within
a
completely
enclosed
building.
A9
is
quite
vague,
as
it
is
miscellaneous
trades
and
businesses
at
least
50
feet
from
any
R
zone.
K
So
that
is
category
nine
that
is
Exempted
from
being
conducted
wholly
within
a
completely
enclosed
building
and
A10
is
contractor's
yards
and
related
establishments.
So
building
material
yards
not
including
concrete
mixing,
Contractors
Equipment
storage,
those
so
a
contractor's
yard.
But
A9
is
miscellaneous
trades
and
businesses
at
least
50
feet
from
in
our
Zone.
I
Yeah,
well,
that
would
make
a
Cider
House
having
their
you
know,
backyard
bar
area
that
would
make
that
illegal.
I
D
D
But
in
as
a
principally
permitted
or
as
a
without
requiring
ovariance,
yes
I
mean
and
that's
all
outdoor
dining
really,
according
to
our
code
and
now
I
think
we
relax
that
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
I
wasn't
here
during
during
portions
of
covid,
but
there
were
some
Provisions
associated
with
allowing
outward
diving
during
covid,
but
but
yeah
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
outdoor
dining
in
the
cities
that
you
know.
Frankly,
is
you
know
we
have
it
strictly
enforced
over
over
the
years
because
of
various
considerations.
K
So
it
will
be
good
to
include
that
outdoor
dining
is
permitted.
That's
what
I'm
saying
yeah!
Yes,
member
Swank,
two
quick
questions.
F
D
I
can
speak
to
you
I
think
that
the
planning
commission's
perspective
on
that
was
that
that
would
require
an
additional
level
of
scrutiny
and
the
historic,
the
historic
district
Beyond
just
automatically
issuing
his
zoning
permit.
So
if
it
would
be
a
situation
where
the
I
think
right
now,
our
historic
overlay
has
a
requirement
for
review
by
the
historic
preservation
committee
or
commission,
and
so
it's
it
doesn't
mean
you
wouldn't
be
able
to
do
it.
D
F
And
a
related
question
that
if
I
live
in
an
R1
Zone
and
my
house
sits
on
one
lot
and
the
lot
next
to
me-
is
vacant
I
I
think
I
heard
you
say
that
I
could
apply
for
conditional
use
by
putting
a
solar
array
in
there.
D
M
Live
on
Morris
Avenue
here
in
the
city
serving
the
board
of
zoning
appeals
and
the
biggest
issue
we've
encountered
in
recent
years
repeatedly
is
the
definition
for
an
eating
and
drinking
establishment.
Is
this
addressing
that
with
the
change
for
the
outdoor
dining
or
is
it
ignoring
that
issue?
At
this
point?
It's
a
new
director,
Riggs
I,
think
was
working
on
a
definition
for
updating
the
code
for
eating
and
drink
establishments.
Is
that
included
here
or
is
it
not
so.
K
To
I,
don't
believe
that
is
included
in
this
okay,
but
I
have
heard
that
discussion
as
well.
M
O
F
D
Here
at
all,
it's
not
Mr
like,
however,
you
know
I
think
it
makes
it
somewhat
somewhat
moot
related
to
those
particular
establishments,
because
it
basically
just
says
outdoor
dining
permitted
I
mean
you
could
have
a
you
know,
an
auto
repair
shop
and
you
could
allow
outdoor
dining
at
the
auto
repair
shop.
It
wouldn't
matter
if
it
was
in
heating
or
treating
establishment.
So
but
I
I
agree
with
you
that
we
probably
need
to
clarify
that,
unfortunately,
as
a
separate
effort,
I'll
take
a
note
thanks.
K
49
special
right-of-way
permit
and
this
request
comes
from
Michelle
Wilson,
the
owner
of
Athens
impact
and
her
business
is
located
right
next
door
to
the
Village
Bakery
on
East
State
Street,
and
she
applied
for
a
permit
to
utilize
a
portion
of
an
unnamed
alley
that
runs
between
her
business
and
the
Village
Bakery
to
utilize.
That
for
parking
for
her
business
and
I
have
seen
this
location
and
I
always
thought
that
it
was
the
driveway
that
belonged
to
that
property.
So
it
does
not.
It
is
not
an
ollie
that
goes
through
to
anything.
K
Is
it
yeah,
and
so
this
application
and
photo
and
map
were
provided
to
council
from
the
code
office
and
with
no
comments
from
code
enforcement
so
I
they
did.
They
did
not
list
any
concerns
and
this
seems
to
be
a
fairly
straightforward
request.
D
And
I
can
just
make
you
know
one
comment
based
upon
my
discussion
with
director
Riggs:
this
is
a
paper
alley,
it's
unopened
unmaintained,
but
it
is
uplighted
alley,
and
this
is
a
business
owner
wanting
to
do
the
right
thing
and
CK,
especially
just
the
right
away
permit,
because
it
is
indeed
public
property.
So
we
recommend
approval.
I
So
you
said
it's
not
maintained,
but
it
looks
from
the
picture
that
something's
been
maintained
because
it's
still
there
in
other
words,
so
is
it
the
responsibility
of
the
property
owner?
Who
wants
to
use
this
as
a
right-of-way
to
maintain
it
and
keep
the
make
it
into
something?
I
mean
what
about
any
changes
or
improvements
or
additions?
Can
they
do
that.
D
D
So
to
answer
your
specific
question,
I
said
earlier:
unmaintained,
it's
not
something
that
I
am
aware
of
cities,
City
service,
Personnel
ever
maintain,
I,
believe
the
adjacent
property
owner
or
the
property
owner
there
and
the
previous
property
owner
probably
maintained
it.
I
D
I
mean
the
special
use
of
the
Rite
Aid
permit
is
to
park
on
it.
You
know,
I
suppose
we
could
put
an
extra
provision
to
say
if
you
know
if
this
body
said
you're,
not
you're,
not
the
place
asphalt
on
it
as
a
condition
of
the
special
use
permit
that
we
would
prohibit
that
you
know.
D
Certainly
a
building
would
be
not
acceptable,
at
least
from
my
perspective,
because
you
know
then
you're
taking
taking
something
that
that
ultimately
has
public
property
and
placing
a
an
improvement
on
that's
significant
and
it's
really
an
encroachment
but
asphalt
or
pavement
I
I
think
could
be
a
condition
of
the
special
use
ferment.
If
you
wanted
to.
L
Well,
but
yeah
I
understand
what
you're
saying,
but
this
is
just
her
requesting
for
that
the
right-of-way
permit
to
be
able
to
use
it.
You
know
we
would
also
have
to
make
sure
that
there
were
no
utilities.
I,
don't
believe
that
there
are
I
was
looking
at
the
gis
earlier
today
and
interestingly,
this
paper
alley
goes
all
the
way
back
up
to
we
own
two
Parcels
of
land
off
of
Alexander,
not
developable
lands,
but
I.
L
Think
that
paper
alley
actually
kind
of
continued
North
and
then
headed
over
to
Alexander
up
in
that
area,
but
again
never
developed,
sat
there
on
paper.
It
does
appear
to
have
gravel,
that's
that
exists
on
that
alley
and
it
does
appear
to
be
used
as
I'm.
Looking
at
the
gis
right
now,
you
know
someone's
been
using
it
as
opposed
to
it
being
a
grassy
lot
and
that
it's
not
you
know
it
does
have
gravel-
is
a
curb
cut.
Clearly.
K
Yeah,
it's
clearly
been
used
like
a
driveway
or
for
parking
in
past
and,
like
director
Stone
said,
I
believe
that
the
current
owner
just
recently
discovered
that
it
was
not
a
driveway
that
went
with
the
property,
but
is
a
right,
a
public
right-of-way.
K
So
just
like
we've
done
for
other
locations
where
individuals
request
the
right
to
to
use
a
portion
of
the
public
right-of-way
for
parking
that
that's
what's
happening
in
this
case
and
and
so
if
we
were
to
sell
it,
then
we,
the
city,
would
in
in
future
not
have
access
to
that,
whereas
if
it
is
granted
as
a
a
permit
to
use
the
public
right-of-way,
then
the
city
maintains
future
options.
Yeah.
I
Yeah
that
has
I
guess
the
issue
is,
if
it's
really
not,
if
there's
really
nothing
back
there,
that
we
would
ever
use,
it
seems
like
the
policy
should
be
that
we
want
to
sell
it
to
get
the
you
know,
tax
benefits
and
the
money,
but
if
there
is
really
something
back
there
that
we
could
use
it
for
then
I
understand
the
right
way.
Otherwise
it
seems
like
we
should
be
selling
it.
L
Mayor
just
to
remind
Council
the
real
challenge
behind
doing
something
like
you're
suggesting
is
that
we
would
have
to
put
it
out
sealed
bed
and
sell
it
to
the
highest
bidder,
and
it
could
in
that
case
the
potential
is
there
for
it
to
go
to
someone
other
than
the
individual
who's
asking
for
the
right-of-way
permit.
We
run
that
risk.
We
run
that
risk
with
disposal
of
any
property
with
the
city
disposing
of
City
properties.
L
F
F
This
business
has
no
no
parking
really,
so
what
people
do
is
they
either
Park
on
Watt
or
on
the
south
side
of
East,
State
Street
and
then
basically
take
their
life
in
their
own
hands,
trying
to
cross
their
that's
a
even
though,
with
the
you
know,
with
the
flashy
lights,
it's
still
a
dangerous
spot
to
to
cross.
So
it
would
give
give
these
folks
this
business
and
it's
a
very
reputable
business
and
a
very
Community
friendly
business.
F
This
is
the
one
that
Keith
Weil
is
painting
the
newest
mural
in
Athens
on,
which
is
just
absolutely
gorgeous,
so
I'd
be
very
much
in
favor
for
a
health
and
safety
reason
I
understand
about
selling
it,
but
you
know
what,
if
I
own,
Village
Bakery
I've
been
on
that
thing
in
a
minute,
because
it
would
give
me
more
things
and
now
everybody's
out.
So
what
seven
years
is
that
the
standard
on
this
right,
correct,
yeah,.
K
N
You,
member
Grace
I,
was
just
going
to
point
out
looking
at
the
old.
The
old
Google
like
I
have
to
do
it
when
these
sort
of
discussions
come
up.
It's
a
lovely
feature
on
Google,
Voice,
I'm
sure
everyone's
aware
of
which
is
the
street
view,
and
you
can
scroll
back
through
previous
years
to
see
photos
of
it.
If
you
go
back,
the
farthest
I
can
see
is
2009
and
you
can
see
cars
just
park
in
there.
So
this
seems
like
just
pretty
straightforward.
M
M
Rob,
the
lock
124
Morse
Avenue
here
in
the
city
just
to
comment,
this
property
owner
is
very
conscientious,
has
gone
through
she's
known
this
issue,
I
think
there's
one
parking
space
behind
the
building
that
she
uses
the
driveway
to
get
to,
but
she
does
not
park
in
the
driveway,
because
it's
not
her
property
and
she
purchases
a
permit
for
three
spaces.
M
I
think
it
is
to
meet
the
city's
parking
requirements
at
the
old
Larry
conroth,
building
a
couple
doors
down
so
she's
doing
everything
right
and
I
think
this
is
exactly
the
kind
of
situation
where
you
want
to
want
to
help
her
out,
and
this
is
a
good
request.
I
think
it
should
be
a
behavior
should
be
rewarded.
B
G
Thank
you,
president
nicely
I'm
just
going
to
start
off
by
an
inviting
director
Lucas
to
the
podium,
if
you'd
like
to
join
us,
we're
starting
off
with
the
document
on
our
Drive
titled
non-union
benefits.
So
this
is
the
the
city
ordinance
for
our
non-union,
Personnel,
salary
and
Fringe
benefit
package.
G
The
changes
are
nicely
highlighted
as
usual
in
this
document,
and
the
first
change
is
on
page
six
under
vacations,
indicating
that
part-time
prior
part-time
service
with
the
city
does
not
count
toward
the
six-month
active
work
status.
K
Because
it
was
like
permanent
part-time
employees
do
accrue
vacation
time,
and
so
I
just
wondered
if
that
could
create
a
if,
if
someone
is
a
a
permanent
part-time
employee,
would
this
create
a
conflict
if
they
didn't
go
full
time,
whether
it
then
be
a
a
gap
in
time
when
they're
not
eligible
to
use
their
vacation?
K
I
I
think
that
that
would
be
problematic
if
you
have,
for
instance,
a
permanent
part-time,
employee
who's
worked
for
the
city
for
years
and
has
been
accruing
vacation
time,
and
then
their
position
becomes
full
time.
It
doesn't
seem
that
they
should
have
to
wait
six
months
before
they
could
use
vacation
time.
K
Just
it
still
seems
problematic
to
me,
I
I
think
that
it's
probably
a
rare
that
it
would
come
up,
but
that,
if
just
if
someone's
position
goes
from
being
a
permanent
part-time
to
full-time
that
they
would
lose
the
option
of
taking
vacation
for
six
months.
K
Okay,
it.
It
just
stood
out
to
me
having
known
a
couple
of
people
who
worked
for
the
city
for
a
long
time
in
a
permanent
part-time
role.
It
struck
me
as
an
odd
situation,
but
it
is
rare.
Q
It
is
indeed
rare.
Another
thing
to
keep
in
mind
is
as
you're
accruing
you
do.
You
do
accrue
sick
time
and
comp
time
in
situations,
and
you
are
eligible
to
take
those
accrued
times
prior
to
the
probationary
period,
ending.
K
Q
So
as
as
far
as
I
know,
this
is
come
from
the
auditor's
office
as
a
as
a
cleanup
language.
So
I
don't
believe
it's
come
up,
but
it's
not
something
that's
been
addressed
before.
D
The
other
situation
isn't
the
person,
that's
a
permanent
part-time.
The
situation
is
someone
who's,
a
casual
employee.
You
know
Works,
maybe
seasonal,
help
or
works
for
you
know
a
few
hours
a
week
in
an
inter
capacity
and
then
takes
on
a
full-time
job
with
the
city
and
says:
well,
wait
a
minute.
I
work
for
the
city
for
17
years
as
a
as
an
intern,
I
I
should
get
whatever
the
provision
of
numbers
of
years
of
vacation
and-
and
this
basically
says
no-
that's
not
the
case.
K
I,
just
I
wondered
if
maybe
the
language
could
be
clearer
so
that
maybe
someone
who
has
worked
for
the
city
in
that
permanent
part
time,
not
as
a
seasonal
or
so
that,
if,
if
that
situation
would
arise
there
would
they
would
not
lose
the
option
of
taking
their
vacation.
That
they've
been
accruing
during
this,
because
the
accrual
like
permanent
part-time
employees
approve
vacation
or
vacation
time
with
the
seasonal
and
others
do
not.
So,
okay.
K
I
G
Universe
right
now,
okay,
the
next
change
is
on
page
15.,.
G
And
do
you
want
to
go
ahead
and
just
discuss
this
director.
Q
So
can
we
just
start
with
Section
D
and
then
we
can
come
back
to
the
strikethrough?
Yes,
please,
okay,
because
the
strikethrough
connects
to
a
section
later
right.
G
Q
Section
D
is
a
is
a
a
new
policy
that
was
written
to
address
modified
work
duty.
Also,
some
people
know
it
as
light
duty
and
what
we
we
didn't
have
any
method
of
control
in
the
past
with
modified
duty.
Q
The
whole
purpose
is
trying
to
get
people
back
to
work
if
they
have
an
illness
or
an
injury,
get
them
back
to
work
quicker,
so
they
don't
need
to
burn
all
their
FMLA
or
their
accrued
leaves
so
coming
up
with
a
modified
duty
policy
that
would
provide
Equity
to
the
entire
staff
and
that's
what
this
is
intended
to
do.
So,
essentially,
let's,
let's
say
if
you
were
injured
on
the
job
and
you
use
your
injury
lead
and
you
would
get
medical
clearance
to
come
back
to
work
on
a
limited
basis.
Q
You
could
use
modified
duty
and
what
we
wanted
to
see
is
240
hours
of
modified
duty.
So
a
person
can
do
some
things
at
work
before
they're
cleared
to
come
back,
full-time,
no
restrictions,
so
another
opportunity,
in
conjunction
with
injury,
leave
FMLA
modified
duty
opportunities
for
our
staff
to
get
back
to
work,
but
also
put
some
elements
of
control
in
place
so
that
it
doesn't
get
taken
advantage
of.
I
Of
and
I
I
told
director
Lucas
earlier,
but
I
think
this
is
a
wonderful
addition.
I
think
it's
an
important
addition
and
I
think
it's
very
good
to
see
the
city
and
is
showing
this
kind
of
professional
HR
policies
are
being
put
into
place,
so
I
fully
support
this.
G
G
Q
What
we
would
like
to
incorporate
into
the
non-union
benefits
ordinance
is
that
new
hires
aren't
eligible
for
FMLA
until
they've
worked
for
the
city
for
one
year,
so
there
are
situations
that
we
may
hire,
someone
that
is
pregnant
or
is
going
to
be
a
father
before
that
one
year
is
up
and
we'd
like
to
offer
the
parental
leave
to
those
folks
before
they
get
their
one
year.
Q
I
Thank
you,
so
this
is
kind
of
worded
vaguely
so
that
you
can
do
it
on
a
case-by-case
basis.
Is
that
is
that,
essentially,
what
you're,
looking
at
here
correct.
F
That's
six
weeks
yeah!
So
if
I
had
been
here
a
year
and
took
FL
I
always
get
the
letters
out
of
whack
FMLA.
How
many?
How
long's
that
FMLA.
Q
Is
480
hours
12
weeks
so.
F
F
F
Six
weeks
for
some
people
would
have
driven
that
person
right
out
of
your
organization
to
me
that
that
this
is
a
two-tiered
system
and
I.
Q
Don't
like
it
well
keep
in
mind
that,
prior
to
just
before
the
pandemic,
we
didn't
have
a
parental
leave
policy.
F
Q
Is
a
this
is
a
this:
is
a
policy
that's
very
unique
to
the
city?
We
we
put
this
in.
We
if
we
don't
make
this
change
everybody's
going
to
have
to
wait
for
one
year
before
unless.
F
K
Q
F
K
K
Six
weeks
is
not
enough
time,
but
it
was
a
good
start
and
it
is
available
to
either
parent
and
it
is
fully
paid
for
those
six
weeks
and
it
does
not
all
have
to
be
used
consecutively
so
that
there
can
be
a
160
hours
used
consecutively
and
then
there
could
be
a
part-time
return,
which
I
think
is
especially
beneficial
for
fathers
or
perhaps
for
adoptive
parents
and
but
FMLA
is
not
paid
and
are,
and
it
requires
the
use
of
your
vacation
time
and
your
sick
time
and
our
parental
leave
policy
does
not
require
that
a
new
parent
or
use
their
vacation
or
sick
time.
K
So
then-
and
that
was
something
that
was
very
important
to
me
when
the
city
adopted
this,
because
once
you
have
a
kid,
even
when
you're
ready
to
come
back
to
work,
there
are
going
to
be
doctor's
appointments
and
all
sorts
of
other
things.
So
you
need
to
have
that
time
available
after
returning
to
work,
whether
on
a
full-time
or
part-time
basis.
K
So
what
we
as
as
a
city,
have
to
keep
in
mind
in
terms
of
balancing
is
the
fact
that
that
there
is
a
significant
cost
to
paying
full
salary
for
an
employee
who
is
out
of
work
for
six
weeks
or
12
weeks
at
a
time
if
and
so
keeping
these
it's,
it
is
our
both
our
job
to
be
a
friendly
and
supportive
employer,
but
also
to
balance
the
city's
budget
and-
and
so
this,
the
language
as
it
currently
stands
was
a
negotiation
and
a
compromise
between
those
those
two
issues
that
the
city,
auditor
and
I
worked
on
a
few
years
ago.
O
Realistically,
how
many
persons
would
take
advantage
of
this
in
a
year.
O
Q
Q
Yeah,
we
don't
want
to
the
the
hiring,
is
tough
right
now
and
losing
a
potential
new
hire
because
of
a
of
a
pregnancy.
Is
I'd
like
to
think
that
we
can
get
those
folks
into
the
city.
K
Absolutely
love
that,
and
my
only
concern
is
the
like:
the
challenge
of
the
gray
areas,
sort
of
like
it's
a
and
I
think
that
could
could
create
difficulties
for
the
person
in
your
position
having
to
to
make
these
decisions
in
terms
of
each
timing
it.
K
If
it
does
come
up
that
someone
is
asking
for
it
are
there
circumstances
when
that
would
not
be
approved
and
circumstances
where
it
would
be,
and
I
I
think
that
could
create
some
some
questions
or
like
if
it
was
not
approved
and
on
on
what
basis
and
and
then
why?
Why
not
approved
for
one,
if
approved
for
another
those
sorts
of
issues,
I
think
the
the
the
the.
Q
Q
G
Other
questions
about
this
change
to
parental
leave,
members
of
the
audience,
Administration.
J
L
Say
that
the
city
hired
on
a
married
couple,
you
know
we
we
struggle
higher
than
individuals
that
aren't
married.
But
if
we
were
to
hire
on
a
married
couple-
and
let's
say
the
the
family
was
expecting,
could
both
the
both
of
those
couple
kind
of
stagger
when
they
would
use
a
benefit
like
this
to
where
one
would
take
it
for
and
run
out,
that
shot
clock.
And
then
the
other
would
take
it
and
extend
on.
So
it
basically
doubles
as
customer
Swank
that
you
were
referring
to
with
FMLA
but
paid
right.
Yep.
G
It's
a
very
employee,
friendly
policy
and
aggressive
and
well
thought.
Oh.
Thank
you.
Other
questions.
Okay.
Moving
on
to
the
last
change
in
this
document,
page
22.
director,
we
just
you
want
to
talk
about
the
standard
work
schedule
so.
Q
When
we
have
part-time
employees,
particularly
permanent
part-time
employees,
those
are
those
are
people
that
work
29
hours
or
fewer
a
week.
They
should
be
put
to
a
set
schedule
and
that
schedule
should
not
be
modified
without
some
type
of
effort
from
the
supervisor
to
notify
and
get
the
human
resources
in
the
auditor's
office.
On
the
same
page,
that's
what
we
end
up
doing
is
we
sometimes
will
put
a
employee
into
a
40-hour
week,
situation
in
lieu
of
utilizing
accrued
times,
and
we
shouldn't
do
that.
Q
So
this
is
basically
saying
that
part-time
employees
are
not
to
exceed
1508
hours
in
a
calendar
year
and
by
keeping
those
people
on
a
standard
schedule
that
won't
that
won't
get
accumulate
over
that
amount.
We've
had
situations
in
the
past
where
in
December
we're
we're
telling
department
heads
that
their
part-time
people
can't
work
anymore.
G
So
just
noted
director
Lucas
there's
something
about
the
lettering
here
at
this
section,
BCD
and
then
a
is
struck
out
and
then
goes
back
to
BC.
So
I'm
sure
that's
just
some
sort
of.
G
F
J
G
I
think
when
we
reviewed
this
previously,
it
was
correct,
so
we'll
figure
that
out:
okay,
yes,
member
spielness.
I
Okay,
this
sounds
great,
but
I'm
just
curious.
What
does
that
do
to
Firefighters
and
police
officers?
Their
schedules
are
quite
different
than
office
workers.
G
Q
This
is
under
this
is
under
a
part-time
and
seasonal
Personnel
article
20.,
oh
okay,
that's
a
little!
So
it's
it's!
It's
it's
specific!
For
now,.
Q
Seasonal
help
is
a
little
bit
different,
such
as
pool
employees
or
or
seasonal
maintenance.
They
can
work
a
40-hour
schedule,
but
they're
and
even
more
in
some
situations,
but
they
aren't
to
exceed
1040
hours
in
a
in
a
year.
Okay,.
K
Just
I
I,
don't
know
a
better
wording,
but
I've
I've
been
working
looking
at
people's
work
schedules
from
the
perspective
of
burnout
and
employee
fatigue
and
and
one
of
the
recommendations
from
the
perspective
of
a
behavioral
health
expert
and
the
an
evidence-based
approach
to
reducing
the
employee
burnout
is
to
offer
flexible
schedules.
So
when
I
initially
read
this,
my
first
thought
was
we:
if
a
supervisor
is
able
to
accommodate
flexible
schedules,
they
should
do
that.
K
If,
if
an
employee
can
can
accomplish
their
work
on
a
flexible
schedule,
it
doesn't
impact
others,
and
so
to
me
it
wasn't
clear
that
this
is
to
to
stay
within
within
a
lot
of
hours
per
year,
or
things
like
that
so
I,
just
my
I
had
initial
negative
reaction
to
it
because
to
me
it
seems
less
supportive
and
of
employees.
It
seems
like
we're
we're
not
going
to
let
you
flex
your
schedule
at
all.
K
You've
got
to
work
set
hours,
and
so
I
I
know
that
one
thing
that
can
help
with
Recruitment
and
Retention
is
for
people
to
know
that
there
is
some
flexibility
like.
Maybe
they
they
can
work
a
nine
to
six
or
so
I,
don't,
but
knowing
that
this
is
for
part-time
and
that
it
it
is
to
keep
them
so
that
they
can
work
a
sort
of
consistent
schedule
throughout
the
year
and
not
run
out
of
hours
before
the
end
of
the
year.
K
But
it
makes
sense,
but
anyway,
just
just
wanted
to
put
that
out
there
that
read
separately
it
sort.
It
sounds
restrictive
rather
than
supportive
of
employees.
If
that
makes
sense.
Q
I
think
understanding
that
it's
under
the
context
of
part-time
and
seasonal,
too,
you
know,
there's
there's
some
scheduling
things
that
you
do
with
full-time
and
and
it's
it's
different.
F
Mr
Lucas
under
21
paid
holidays
number
eight.
Is
there
any
desire
to
change
the
name
of
that
holiday.
L
F
L
Can
make
that
a
big
one,
yeah
I
I
think
that
that
should
be
a
conversation
unto
itself
in
looking
at
that
holiday,
because
I
have
some
other
ideas
for
other
things.
That
I
believe
that
City
should
be
doing
because
again,
in
particular,
general
election
days,
so
I
think
maybe
we
should
have
a
holiday
naming
slash
holiday
creation.
Maybe
conversation
calendar
conversation
yeah
in
the
near
future.
But
for
the
sake
of
this
conversation,
maybe.
G
G
G
Before
we
get
to
the
to
the
percentages
here,
I'd
like
to
discuss
section
four
Excuse.
Q
G
Looking
at
the
actual
language
of
the
the
ordinance
that
authorizes
the
Staffing
levels,
okay,.
G
And
that
is
that
has
that
has
the
actual
positions
at
the
end
of
it
right,
but
first
we're
looking
at
the
actual
language
and
what
I
want
to
talk
about
section
four,
which
reads
upon
receiving
written
notification
from
an
employee
of
a
pending
departure
city
council
does
hereby
authorize
the
president
of
council,
mayor
law,
director
and
auditor
to
hire
replacements
for
currently
staffed
positions.
G
So
long
as
adequate
funds
are
available
within
the
elected
officials
budget,
there
will
be
a
temporary
increase
in
the
Staffing
numbers
during
the
overlap
of
employees
within
these
positions
that
will
subsequently
Sunset
to
the
official
Staffing
levels
and
I.
Don't
know
if,
if
director
Stone
wants
to
speak
to
this,
why
don't
you
go
ahead?
Yeah.
D
D
We
have
done
this
on
a
case-by-case
basis,
where
we
know
that
there's
employee
retiring
they've,
given
us
notice
of
their
retirement
and
we've
asked
to
have
the
Staffing
level
increase
in
order
to
have
overlap
for
those
employees
in
a
lot
of
cases
that
allows,
for
you
know
one
to
do
some
continuity
with
the
other
one,
if
it's
a
one-off
position,
but
in
situations,
particularly
in
the
police
and
fire
department,
where
there's
a
significant
lead
time
on
training
of
new
individuals
coming
in
the
door
that
allows
us
to
kind
of
hire
and
then
get
a
jump
start
on
that
training
so
that
they
can,
they
can
function
as
a
as
a
you
know,
fully
capable
part
of
the
department
sooner
as
opposed
to
waiting
until
that
retirement
or
that
resignation
date
actually
comes
in
effect.
D
You
know
oftentimes
I,
ask
people
to
give
me
as
much
notice
as
possible
if
they're
going
to
retire,
and
sometimes
they
do
sometimes
I
get
two
weeks,
but
but
the
bottom
line
is
this
would
allow
us
to
go
ahead
and
proceed
and
pull
the
trigger
on
hiring
without
every
time
having
to
come
back
to
council
and
ask
for
a
special
one-off
case
to
do
that
and
I
think
in
today's
hiring
environment.
This
would
be
something
very
helpful
with
us.
I
think
we
would
use
it
mostly
in
the
police
and
fire
departments.
D
We
probably
would
also
consider
it
with
plant
operators
because
they
have
a
longer
lead
time
with
training
as
well
before
they
can
function
out
on
their
own
in
there,
but
by
and
large
this
is
just
some
flexibility.
I
think
that
would
help
the
city.
G
Thank
you.
Do
you
want
to
speak
to
that
at
all
okay
committee
on
this
specific
item
of
this
overlap,
any
members
Jones
yeah.
I
I
just
have
talked
with
Chief
Kyle
when
we
did
our
little
orientation
about
this
very
issue,
so
this
makes
a
lot
of
sense
and
I'm
I'm
really
glad
that
you've
brought
this
up
and
I
totally
support
it.
Thank
you.
G
G
You
know,
obviously
we
are
are
talking
about
our
authority
to
authorize
a
generally
hourly
pay
raise
for
non-union
compensation
and
I'll.
Let
director
Stone
talk
about
his
extensive
work
on
this
yeah
yep.
L
L
Please
mayor
just
to
kind
of
Kick
this
off
I
I
want
to
start
by
applauding
director
Lucas
for
going
to
Great
pains
to
come
up
with
some
what
I
believe
to
be
very
Creative
Solutions
to
increases,
and
it
also
it
really
lends
itself
and
you'll
hear
more
about
those
from
Ron
himself.
L
Is
it
will
help
us
to
where
we're
we're
so
often
seeing
some
certainly
some
inequity
when
it
comes
to
those
who
are
in
the
higher
pay
bans
with
increases
versus
those
who
are
in
the
lower
pay
bands,
and
it
it
is
rather
than
what
I've
always
experienced
when
I
was
at
Ohio.
University
is
compression.
This
is
the
opposite.
L
This
is
creating
more
disparity
between
the
top
pay
bands,
as
I
just
indicated,
versus
those,
as
we
are
trying
to
attract
new
employees
here
to
the
city
bathroom,
so
Ron
I'm
going
to
kick
it
to
you.
Shakespeare.
Q
So
left
to
right
with
this
document,
you'll
see
the
position.
These
are
all
just
the
non-union
position.
The
little
asterisk
by
a
position
means
that
it
is
a
flsa
exempt,
so
a
position,
that's
not
eligible
for
overtime
or
or
comp
time,
and
also
not
bound
by
schedule.
Q
Pay
Band,
which
is
our
1
to
12
category,
that
we
developed
into
pay
Study
last
year
and
then
the
pay
range
for
each
band
is
the
mid
minimum
of
the
of
the
band,
the
midpoint
and
the
maximum
of
the
band,
and
then
the
2022
hourly
rate.
So
the
percentages
are
based
off
of
that
number.
So
when
you
see
in
the
next
couple
of
columns,
there's
two
options
that
I
prepared
one
is
a
progressive
percentage
increase
for
for
the
pay
bans
and
they're
divided
into
three
groups.
Q
Q
Eight
to
five
is
a
four
percent
increase
and
four
to
one
would
be
a
six
percent
increase
so
and
then
that
that
number
that
you
see
there
is
the
actual
hourly
rate
change.
Q
Q
Yeah,
it's
it's
a
it's
just
a
little
thicker
font
on
the
line
and
then
at
the
bottom
is
the
hourly
cost
for
the
entire
non-union
employee
category
and
then
what
that
total
annual
cost
would
equal.
So
it's
based
on
2080
hours
so
that
that's
how
you
read
it
and
then
the
three
red
marks
on
the
far
right
hand,
side
are
positions
that
are
not
currently
filled
so.
Q
The
second
category
is
a
little
bit
different.
It's
a
it's
a
progressive,
almost
like
a
gradiated
scale,
where
I
took
the
highest
Pay
Band,
which
is
12
and
work
down
to
the
lowest,
which
is
one
and
did
a
half
percentage
increase.
Q
Q
This
is
looking
at
how
we've
been
working
through
inflation
this
year
and
seeing
where
those
numbers
are
and
trying
to
understand
how
we
could
create
a
model
where
people
that
aren't
making
as
much
are
able
to
absorb
that
that
hit
a
little
bit
a
little
bit
more.
Q
So
with
that
said,
when
you
do
a
two
percent
across
the
board
type
of
raise,
it
benefits,
pay
grades,
12,
11,
10
more
than
it
would
benefit
pay
grades
three
two
and
one:
it's
just
the
way
the
percentage
would
work.
So
you
get
a
bigger
disparity,
so
the
rich
get
more
and
the
low
get
less
over
time,
especially
so
trying
to
be
creative
in
terms
of
how
we
were
going
to
manage
some
of
the
consumer
index
challenges.
We've
seen
this
year.
G
I
agree
with
the
mayor
that
I
was
very
impressed
when
director
Lucas
presented
this
originally
and
I
really
appreciate
the
work
he's
done
on
this.
Are
there
questions
from
the
committee
on
the
two
scenarios
that
we
are
looking
at
or
anything
else
on
these
charts?
I
know
it's
a
lot
of
information,
and
yes,
remember:
Eisner
is.
L
I
think
what
it
boils
down
to
as
you
look
down
the
bottom
at
the
total
cost
and
again
when
you're
looking
at
those
total
costs
they're
off
by
you,
know,
four
thousand
dollars
about
five
thousand
dollars
give
or
take
between
those
two
models.
I
think
they're.
Both
good
models
and
I
would
certainly
enjoy
hearing
City
council's
thoughts
on
the
two
models.
I
I
According
to
the
Ohio
Constitution
amendment
2
passing
2006
Article
2
Section
34A
wages,
minimum
wage
is
tied
to
present
increases,
so
minimum
wages
now
is
going
up
to
ten
point,
ten
dollars
and
10
cents,
which
is
80
cent
increase
or
8.6
percent.
I
So
my
understanding
is
that
the
constitution
ties
it
to
cost
of
living.
If
I
understand
that
correctly
and
so
I'm
wondering
why
we
don't
do
that,
I
mean
it
could
go,
I
mean
if
you
know,
if
there's
no
inflation,
it
would
there
would
be
no
increase,
but
if
they're
is
more
extreme
I
understand.
I
This
is
not
exactly
what
you
want
to
hear,
perhaps
but
I
think
it's
worth
having
that
conversation
considering,
as
has
been
brought
up
several
times
today,
how
hard
it
is
to
hire
people
and
the
other
question,
and
perhaps
I
should
separate
this
too
I
understand.
We
have
no
such
thing
as
Merit
pay
and
I'm
wondering
if
that
can
also
boost
the
Inspire
inspiration
of
people
to
want
to
work
for
Athens
over
other
communities
and
employers.
G
G
I
Well,
like
I
said
I
know,
my
social
security
is
going
up,
8.6
percent
I
know
minimum
wage
is
going
up,
8.6
percent
per
how
this
is
going
in
Ohio
I
realize
we
can't
do
that
for
everybody
and
but
we're
talking
about
6.5
for
the
lowest
level.
I
I
Okay,
it's
it's
going
up
to
ten
dollars
and
ten
cents.
O
G
I
understand
the
points
on
this
into
the
table.
Members,
if
you
want
to
chime
in
here.
N
Yeah
sort
of
a
can
I
start
with
that
and
then
transition
to
something
else.
Sure,
oh,
thank
you,
sir.
So
I
I
tend
to
also
sort
of
swing
in
the
direction
that
that
member
spielness
was
going
I.
Think
I
I,
don't
quote
me
on
it,
but
I
believe
it's
called
the
the
Parkinson's
effect
and
it's
referring
to
the
amount
of
money
that
you
make
and
how
your
general
living
expenses
generally
increase,
with
what
you're
making
so
I
understand
the
8.6.
N
While,
yes,
our
minimum
wage
of
1537
is
higher
than
the
minimum
wage
required
by
the
state
of
Ohio.
It
was
soon
to
be
ten
dollars
and
10
cents
that
appropriate,
raise
being
commensurate
with
inflation.
Does
make
sense
to
me
so
I
do
understand
where
you're
coming
from
with
that
and
I
appreciate
your
points
on
it
and
then
my
second
thing
here
is
just
so
I'm
I'm,
clear
director
Lucas,
the
two
different
plans
we're
looking
at
are
on
the
far
right.
N
Q
N
Well,
I
do
I,
I
again
I
hate
to
just
sit
here
and
Echo.
What
people
are
saying,
but
I
do
really
appreciate
the
amount
of
work
you've
put
into
this
I
like
the
the
idea
of
giving
a
higher
percentage
to
the
lower
pay
bands.
I
think
it
does
make
sense
so
I
I
appreciate
you
and
the
administration
for
working
on
that.
I
Yeah
I
think
that
again
I've
said
this
before,
but
we
have
to
think
about
how
we
fit
into
the
marketplace
and
if
we
are
competitive
with
other
employers
and
other
comparable
positions
around
the
region,
that
that's
really
what
matters
here
and
I,
don't
know
what
those
are
so
I'm
hoping
and
from
our
conversation
this
morning,
I
think
you
probably
do
director
Lucas.
So
if
you
could
comment
on
that,
I
would
appreciate
it.
Q
You
know
so
by
by
ordinance
we're
required
to
look
at
our
pay
bans
at
the
at
the
halfway
point
of
our
pay
study
and
then
at
the
five-year
Mark
we're
by
by
legislation.
We
were
to
do
a
new
study
so
with
that
said
at
some
point
that
that
pay
band
will
be
adjusted
for
certain
expenses,
whether
it
be
cost
of
living
or
whether
it
be
Market
values
of
comparable
positions.
Q
We'll
look
at
that
and
move
the
band
so
to
speak
so
that
we
have
a
situation
where
people
are
starting
at
a
little
bit
higher
rate,
but
also
people
aren't
getting
topped
out
as
they
get
into
that
25
30
year
mark
of
their
career.
They
don't
run
into
a
wall
where
they're
top
down
I
want
to
keep
moving
that
band
a
little
bit.
L
G
L
L
But
you
know
I
also
encourage
Council
to
look
at
the
midpoint
and
the
the
maximum
for
that
same
pay
ban
because
we're
talking
about
a
range
of
thirty
four
thousand
two
hundred
and
sixteen
dollars
a
year
up
to
forty
five
thousand
260
dollars
a
year
for
these
particular
positions
that
are
within
that
pay
brand
ban.
So
again,
I
I,
don't
want
Council
to
to
not
at
least
attend
to
the
fact
that
we're
talking
about
individuals
who
can
will
be
at
various
levels
into
that
pay
band
as
well
with
this
particular
Progressive
increase.
G
F
Mr
Lewis
I
like
to
move
from
the
abstract
to
the
concrete,
just
to
make
sure
I
understand
this
and
I
want
to
focus
on
two
positions.
For
the
sake
of
the
example
and
to
better
understand
this,
the
service
safety
director
position,
which
is
the
only
one
on
here,
that's
a
12
and
the
city
planner,
which
is
the
I
guess,
is
the
the
bottom
one
on
number:
nine,
not
the
least
amount
of
money,
but
the
bottom
one.
F
If
I
calculate
this
correctly,
based
on
a
52-week
year,
40
hours
a
week,
these
safety
service,
director,
105
851
dollars,
City
plan
or
seventy
two
thousand
five
hundred
nine
dollars.
What
I
want
to
focus
on
is
not
how
much
money
they
make,
but
the
difference
between
the
two
and
the
fact
my
calculations
are
correct
is
33
342
dollars.
F
What
somebody
makes
is
what
Society
values
that
person
at
that
place
and
time-
and
there
are
all
kinds
of
formulas
that
go
into
that
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
I
was
not
aware
of
this
that
this
whole
concept
until
last
Wednesday
when
I
was
a
part
of
a
a
town
hall
meeting
at
a
university
here
in
Ohio
and
the
president
flat
out
said
we
are
done
with
percentage
increases
and
the
reason
we're
done
with
percentage
increases
are
twofold
number
one:
they
exacerbate
the
gap
between
high
and
low
paid
earners.
F
You
know
if
we
give
an
example.
If
you
had
someone
making
forty
dollars
or
four
forty
thousand
dollars
a
year
and
somebody
making
sixty
thousand
dollars
a
year.
That's
a
twenty
thousand
dollar
Gap.
If
the
increase
across
the
board
was
two
percent
for
ten
years.
At
the
end
of
ten
years,
that
Gap
went
from
twenty
thousand
to
twenty
seven
thousand
three
hundred
and
eighty
now
did
that
high
earner
suddenly
have
more
value
on
his
job.
I
doubt
it,
but
the
Gap
gets
big.
F
So
I'm
I'm
really
glad
that
this
aligns
with
what
was
shared
with
us
by
our
president
of
the
University
here
in
Ohio.
So
what
I
need
to
understand
is
one
of
the
things
that
we're
considering.
Is
it
the
far
right
column
that
those
percentages
as
listed
in
that
column,
would
be
the
percentage
increase
that
each
of
those
individuals
would
receive
yes,
and
that
would
be
for
one
year
correct?
This?
Is
we.
Q
Percentage
across
the
board
and
this
I.
J
Q
Believe
we
may
have
tried
some
Progressive
models
in
the
past,
but
they
didn't.
They
didn't
go
all
the
way
through,
but
we've
always
been
able
to
do
like
the
two
percent
across
the
board
yeah.
So.
Q
Member
Swank,
it's
exactly
it's
exactly
correct.
You
know
the
the
the
the
highest
earners.
If
you
do,
a
percentage
across
the
board
are
going
to
continue
to
a
gap
away
from
the
lower
Earth.
F
Exactly
and
for
that
reason,
I
would
be
very
much
in
favor
of
this
right
hand,
column,
not
that
we're
going
to
do
it
now,
but
I
think
in
the
coming
year,
2023
early
in
the
year,
much
like
we
did
with
the
trash
contract
this
year
early
in
the
year
we
broached
the
subject
of
Merit
pay.
Ohio
University's
done
this
for
years
at
least
the
department
my
wife
was
in
because
I
came
across
a
statement
in
an
article
that
really
run
true
with
me.
It's
simply
this.
F
The
recognition
that
high
performance
yields
no
more
financial
reward
than
those
performing
poorly
provides
no
Financial
incentive
for
them
to
Aspire
to
a
higher
level
by
no
means
am
I
criticizing
any
worker.
Here,
the
last
four
experiences
I've
had
with
the
folks
come
out
at
Mr
Stone's
office.
If
you
can
give
him
a
hundred
I
give
him
110,
it's
been
so
good,
but
there
is
something
to
be
said
about
a
inspiring
to
something
a
little
better.
K
You,
member
Carl
I,
just
want
to
pile
on
with
my
appreciation
for
the
work
that
you've
done
on
this,
because
I
think
that
the
progressive
increased
is,
it's
definitely
a
fair.
It's
a
right.
The
right
direction
to
go,
I'm
wondering
if
there
could
possibly
be
a
compromise
so
that,
since
the
one
that's
a
two,
four
six
is
just
a
a
bit
more
total
than
the
the
half
percent
increments.
Perhaps
more
of
the
lower
categories
could
be
a
bit
higher
instead
of
it
being
a
half
percent
up
all
the
way.
K
So
maybe
we
go
to
seven
four
one:
six
and
a
half
for
two
increase
those
a
bit
so
that
we've
got
equivalent
costs
to
the
two
as
as
a
possibility
that
might
maybe
that
would
address
some
of
members.
To
be
honest,
as
concerns
just
using
that
slight
difference
in
in
cost
of
the
two
plans
to
increase
some
of
the
lower
bands
a
bit
more.
K
Might
be
an
option
but
I
I
really
appreciate
the
the
consideration
and
and
the
thought
put
into
looking
at
Progressive
bands
in
places.
So
thank
you.
L
I
certainly
appreciate
the
dialogue.
That's
going
on
with
this
I
said
on
the
front
end
that
I
was
going
to
turn
it
to
you
and
see
what
your
opinions
were.
I
will
share
with
you.
Mine
is
the
thing
that
I
think
is
the
more
most
for
this
coming
year.
The
most
Equitable
is
the
progressive
point:
five
percent
increment
moving
forward.
G
Okay,
you
can
still
stay
there
on
the
at
the
bottom
of
this.
Are
the
changes
to
the
actual
ftes
and
I'll
just
remind
everyone
that
we
have
a
diversity,
Equity
inclusion
and
accessibility,
training
coordinator
that
full
FTE
added
to
the
to
the
ordinance.
G
We
have
two
positions
in
the
auditor's
office
that
are
that
are
being
split.
They
were
two
ftes
and
now
they're
two
separate
positions,
one
FTE
each
so
no
overall
change
in
ftes
there
and
then
a
a
request,
a
recommendation
from
the
Chief
Reimer
that
the
position
of
General
Secretary
within
the
Athens
fire
department
be
increased
from
one
F
from
0.73
FTE
to
one
FTE
I,
don't
know
if
director
Lucas
or
director
Stone
wants
to
speak
to
that.
D
I
I
could
speak
to
it.
This
is
a
request
that
the
chief
has
had
for
a
long
time.
You
know:
we've
turned
over
three
General
secretaries
or
part-time
secretaries
in
that
position
and
I.
Think
since
he's
been
Chief
and
there's
a
there's
a
case,
we
made
for
continuity
in
that
role.
D
D
Ultimately,
you
know
you
can
always
do
more
in
in
the
fire
department,
and
so
in
instances
where
the
the
general
secretary
is
not
available
because
of
the
number
of
hours
you
know,
either
the
administrative
captain
or
the
chief
ends
up
doing
those
duties,
and
so
this
would
be
a
just
a
situation
to
help
his
his
operation
I'm
supportive
of
his
request.
I
think
really
the
cost
is
in
the
not
so
much
in
the
hourly
rate,
the
cost
is
in
that's
one
more
person
or
one
more
family.
D
Potentially
in
our
insurance
pool,
so
you
know
I
mean
there's
a
liability
there.
Since
we're
self-insured
some
cases,
it
doesn't
cost
anything.
In
some
cases
it
costs
a
whole
lot
if
you're
insuring
one
more
person
there
but
I
think
it's
you
know,
I
think
it's
worth
I
think
it's
worth
doing
ultimately
to
support
his
operation.
G
G
You,
okay
and
another
item
here
where
we
have
director:
Lucas
are
elected
officials,
salaries,
and
this
is.
J
G
Oh
very
good,
thank
you
so
section
three
of
this
does
indicate
that
city
council
does
hereby
authorize
a
one-time
lump
sum
payment
of
blank
percentage
to
those
employees
whose
General
hourly
pay
rate
exceeds
or
will
exceed
the
maximum
pay
rate
in
his
or
her
pay
grade.
You
want
to
speak
to
this
right
here
with
this.
Q
Q
D
I
mean
this
is
something
that's
in
the
ordinance
every
year
for
people
who
are
topped
out
right,
and
so,
if,
if
the
percentage
raise
increase
that
you
approve
takes
that
person
beyond
the
range,
then
you
know
there's
not
a
mechanism
to
you
know.
Basically,
that's
the
mechanism,
you
gave
them
the
extra,
and
so
it
doesn't
go
into
their
base
salary.
It's
basically
a
one-time.
D
That's
why
it's
a
blank
percentage
there,
because
it
could
be
a
point,
zero,
three
percent-
or
it
could
be
a
point,
one
percent,
or
what
have
you
based
on
how
far
the
percentage
range
you
give
to
everybody
else?
It
takes
them
above
the
max,
but
as
I
do
a
quick
check
on
this
table
nobody's.
G
D
D
There
then
well
I
mean
it's
it's
specific
to
the
employee
right,
it
could
be,
it
could
be
a
a
person
that
is,
you
know
that
two
percent
would
take
them
to
1.7
percent
above
the
Max,
and
so
that
1.7
percent
comes
as
a
as
a
lump
sum
and
doesn't
go
into
their
base
rate.
G
D
That's
not
certainly
the
intent
that
we
gave
them.
We
were
we're
hopeful
that
that
can
sit
so
in
future
years.
If
we
don't
have
a
pace,
study
and
somebody
does
want
book,
it's
a
Max
band
that
it's
in
there
and
then
you
know
a
future
Council
would
would
go
wait
a
minute
where's.
The
section
come
from.
We
just
wouldn't
exercise
it.
If
it
wasn't
used.
Is
that
correct,
Ron.
Q
D
G
G
I
I
N
His
OU
student
folk
have
put
in
so
much
work,
just
the
under
section
two,
maybe
if
we
could
strike
out
the
his
her
gendered
language
just
to
go
with
a
non-gendered
term
like
today
or
something
section
two
there,
it
says
City
together
here,
authorized
one
time,
lump
Stone
percentage
of
pay
rate
and
his
slash
her
pay
grade.
Gotcha.
G
G
Okay,
thank
you,
remember:
Grace,
okay,
back
to
elected
officials.
This
is
this
is
mayor,
otter,
Lauder
to
Treasurer
and
and
council
president
and
members
of
council
and.
G
Proposal
here
is
a
two
percent
annual
increase
beginning
in
2024,
so
we
will
have
to
win
our
positions
in
order
to
have
this
apply
to
us.
I
Well,
you
know
I
mean
I,
think
one
of
my
concerns
about
the
the
pay
rate
for
us
and
for
other
elected
officials
is
that,
particularly
for
Council
and
council
president,
it's
it's
not
really
it's
at
a
it's
at
a
rate
that
for
people
that
are
retired
fine,
you
know
we
don't
need
the
money.
I
So
it's
okay
for
people
who
are
working
I
think
there's
a
a
more
disincentive
because
the
amount
of
hours
that
it
takes
to
really
do
this
is
is
more
than
your
regular
person,
who's
working,
full-time
and
I'm
I'm
a
little
worried
about
that.
As
we,
you
know,
head
down
the
road
I,
don't
know
what
other
council
members
are.
You
know
in
other
communities
are
making
whatever,
but
that's
just
my
sort
of
initial
feeling
about
it,
and
if
we
get
a
two
percent
raise,
that
means
we're
losing
money.
F
I
I
agree
wholeheartedly,
but
there's
some
other
things
that
I'd
like
to
address
here.
We
have
two
people
in
critical
positions
who
have
been
in
their
positions
for
quite
some
time
and
I.
F
I
hope
both
of
them
are
with
us
for
many
many
years
and
when
they
decide
to
retire
and
not
run
again
for
office,
it's
because
they
don't
want
to
do
it
anymore,
but
I'm
speaking
specifically
of
the
law
director
and
the
auditor
and
and
I'm
wondering
down
the
road
how
those
salaries
compare
to
salaries
of
people
in
similar
positions
in
similar
cities
as
ours
and
I,
don't
know
the
answer.
I
have
not
had
time
to
look
into
that,
but
I
think
it's
worth
something
looking
at.
F
F
We
spend
X
number
of
hours
during
the
week
doing
research,
but
we
also
do
constituent
services
and
that's
what's
exciting
to
me.
Solving
people's
problems,
but
the
the
office
of
of
council
president
not
only
runs
this
body
efficiently
attends
numerous
meetings,
but
is
also
called
upon
to
be
the
acting
mayor
and
I.
Think
we
should
take
a
very,
very
serious
look
at
that
at
that
that
position
in
the
salary
associated
with
it.
G
B
It
happens
on
a
periodic
basis,
and
what
has
to
happen
is
is
that
this
Council
needs
to
review
the
salaries
now
for
elected
officials
before
those
elected
officials
could
potentially
be
on
the
ballot.
So
in
other
words,
if
you're,
if
you're
on
the
ballot
and
we're
looking
at
this
next
February
and
you're
already
on
the
ballot.
Well,
there
you
are
you're
you're
you're,
putting
through
your
own
pay
increases.
G
J
L
Before
that,
to
where
we're
setting
these
things
because
of
the
fact
that
Council
year
two
years
but
the
law
director,
the
auditor
and
myself
are
four-year
elected,
so
it
was
under
that
four-year
cycle
and,
as
you
can
see,
I
if
I
I
could
be
wrong
on
this,
but
I
believe
in
2018
it
was
two
percent
for
for
all
the
elected
officials.
I,
don't
recall,
so
don't
ask
me
what
it
was
in
2014
at
all.
I'm
surprised,
I
can
remember
yesterday.
Sometimes,
but
again
it
was.
F
So
just
a
quick
thing
back
in
2019,
Zanesville,
City,
Council,
Members
and
mayor
and
law,
director
and
auditor
and
Treasurer
got
a
10
raise
I'm,
not
advocating
that.
But
to
your
point,
two
percent
of
these
Economic
Times
and
you're.
Absolutely
right,
you
pretty
much,
have
to
be
retired
or
have
a
job
that
gives
you
tremendous
flexibility
like
a
Monday
to
Friday
schedule
the
serve
in
this
position
and
when
I
worked
for
the
University
I
had
that
Monday
to
Friday
schedule.
You
had
that
money.
Anybody
working
University
basically
have
that.
F
You
have
a
few
things
on
the
weekend,
but
essentially
you're
required
to
be
there
Monday
to
Friday
and
I
know
you
put
in
more
time
than
that.
But
you
understand
what
I'm
saying:
there's
not
a
shift
work
where
the
week
before
you
go
into
Kroger's
and
you
see
on
the
wall.
These
are
the
days
you're
working
next
week,
so
yeah,
it's
it
it
it
that
in
44
meetings
a
year,
I
think
discourages
some
people
serving
on
this
body.
And
when
we
talk
about
Wards
here
a
little
bit.
F
If
we
talk
about
expansion,
I
think
we
need
to
attract
as
wide
a
variety
of
candidates
as
possible,
but
would
it
be
appropriate
to
very
quickly
look
at
some
comparable
cities
to
see
what
they're
doing
can
enter
that
into
the
conversation?
But
president
nicely
does
this
have
to
be
voted
on
by
December
31st
in
this
calendar
year,
or
does
it
have
to
be
voted
on
prior
to
the
date
that
petitions
are
due
for
the
2023
elections.
B
O
I
just
want
to
comment:
I've
I've
been
on
Castle
Almost
12
years,
I've
talked
to
many
people,
my
ward
and
other
places
and
I
was
surprised
how
many
people
really
did
not
know
that
Council
was
even
paid.
They
thought
it
was
basically
an
all-volunteer
thing
and
they
frankly
couldn't
see
any
reason
why
we
should
be
paid
at
all.
We
should
be
such
great
public
servants
that
we
would
simply
just
say
well,
I
like
it
so
much
I
pay
the
city
to
do
it.
O
So
that's
the
problem.
You
get
two
when
you're
going
to
say
well,
I
want
to
raise
our
salary
you're
going
to
have
people,
voters
who
are
going
to
say
I,
don't
like
that
idea
and
I
think
that
is
one
reason
why
we
have
never
really
done
anything
about
raising
the
salaries
for
Council.
It's
politically.
It's
it's
dangerous.
You
know
and
it's
it's
something
you've
got
to
face
and
you
know
there's
going
to
be
blowback
if
you
said
well,
let's,
let's
kick
it
up
to
10
or
better.
O
Yet,
let's
just
come
up
with
an
entirely
different
pace
structure
and
stay
instead
of
8743.80.
We
make
it.
Forty
thousand
a
year
that
would
really
upset
a
lot
of
people,
not
not
to
mention
the
auditor,
because
we've
had
these
discussions
with
the
auditor
many
times
and
it
always
comes
down
to
we
Jeff
we
sh.
We
just
can't
afford
it.
You're
gonna
break
the
city
budget,
you
just
we
just
can't
do
it
now,
there's
money
for
other
things,
but
not
to
pay
you
so
I'm,
just
putting
that
out
there.
K
Just
a
follow-up
on
member
reisner's
comments,
I've
also
had
people
tell
me,
there's
no
way.
I
would
run
for
that.
That's
too
much
work
too
much
grief
too
much
being
in
the
public
eye.
There's
no
way
I
would
do
that
for
that
amount
of
money.
It's
not
worth
it
so
there
there
are
people
who
who
avoid
public
office
because
they
just
they
see
it
as
too
much
work
for
the
compensation.
So
it
does
go
both
ways.
G
L
We
will
certainly
look
into
all
all
reach
out
to
oml
reach
out
to
Kent
scare
it
and
see
what
pace
Studies
have
been
on
down
out
there
when
it
comes
to
comparable
and
and
not
uncomfortable.
It's
it's
real
tricky,
though,
to
be
honest
with
you,
there
are
City
councils
out
there
that
don't
get
paid
anything
you
know
again,
it
is
exactly
like
Jefferson
was
saying
it's
like
you
are
just
acting
on
behalf
of
the
legislative
body
with
no
compensation
for
doing
so.
You
also
have
positions
out
there.
L
You
know
law,
directors
Auditors,
where
they
are
only
required
by
their
statute
to
work
certain.
You
know
only
so
many
hours
of
the
week.
You
know
I
know
that
my
counterpart
down
in
Chillicothe
by
law,
another
Charter
City
but
they're
they
are.
He
is
only
responsible
for
working
four
days
a
week
and
therefore
can
practice
his
other
profession
a
day
of
the
week
if
he
so
chose
to
do
something
like
that.
L
So
I'll
look
for
good
comparables
and
make
sure
that
it
fits
with
what
the
city's
structure
is
at
this
point
in
time.
But
again,
I
will
share
with
you
to
the
point
of
Lancaster.
You
know
I
will
reach
out
to
David
Scheffler
mayor
Scheffler,
because
it's
it's
not
inconceivable
that
they
may
have
not
had
an
increase
in
a
long
time.
L
We
had
a
period
like
that
here
in
the
city
of
Athens,
where
mayor
and
city
council
had
zero
percent
increase
for
several
periods
and
and
in
my
opinion,
that
was
really
doing
a
disservice
to
the
position
itself
for
the
people
who
are
serving
that
capacity,
whether
you're
the
legislative
branch,
the
judicial
branch
of
the
executive
branch.
You
know,
I
think
that
I
think
differently
about
the
approach
that
was
taken
when
that
happened
way
back
when
I'll
certainly
look
at
what
oml
has
what
what
comparables
are
out
there
all.
G
Right,
certainly,
any
further
information
will
be
very
helpful
to
this.
I
would
say
that
if
you
have
different
ideas
about
either
the
elected
officials
or
the
progressive
non-union
increases
to
communicate
with
director
Lucas,
and
we
will
see
what
comes
up.
G
And
Mr
Lucas
can
stay
right
there.
The
next
item
here
is
the
the
deia
training
coordinator,
the
city
Administration.
We
we
negotiated
a
starting
rate
with
the
the
incumbent
at
16
percent
through
pay
grade
four.
She
was
hired
in
though
at
10
percent.
Through
that
pay
grade,
and
the
city
Administration
would
like
to
increase
her
an
additional
six
percent
and
have
this
be
retroactive
to
her
start
date
of
September,
13th
did
I
get
that
correct
director
Lucas,
yes,
sir,
are
there
any
do
you
understand?
G
She
was
hired
at
10
through
her
pay
grade
and
the
the
negotiation
was
16
through
her
through
her
pay
grade,
and
so
the
city
Administration
would
like
to
get
her
her
16
and
have
that
be
retroactive
to
her
start
date.
N
L
D
True,
so
so
for
a
new
I
I'm,
sorry
I'll
just
to
please
expand
on
that.
So
if
you're
hiring
from
the
outside,
the
Administration
has
authority
to
hire
in
at
25
up
to
25
through
if
you're,
promoting
somebody
who's
already
a
city
employee,
the
non-union
pay
benefits
ordinance
only
allows
basically
a
10
increase
for
their
because
they're.
It's
a
promotion
basically
so.
F
Q
I
I
I'm
getting
I'm
getting
confused,
we
hired
the
Dei
coordinator
and
we
brought
we
brought
them
in
at
10
for
it
and
okay
I'm
sorry,
maybe
I've
messed
that
one
up,
yeah
and,
and
so
so
my
understanding
was-
is
that
we
needed
to
get
Council
approval
for
the
other
six
percent
through
the
paper.
J
D
F
G
Questions
on
the
deia
training
coordinator,
I
know
it's
getting
late.
They
were
going
present
later.
Okay,
we
may
be
finished
with
director
Lucas
well
he's
in
charge
of
parking.
Isn't
he.
Q
This
is
just
an
FYI.
We
need
to
redo
our
memorandum
of
understanding
with
ask
me
24031
regarding
the
meter
repair
position.
This
was
a
legislation
that
was
passed
0-51-22.
Q
You
know
auditor
is
unable
to
use
the
mou
as
written.
Basically,
what
we
need
to
do
is
we
need
to
change
the
wording
in
mou
to
state
that
the
two
parking
enforcement
officers
hired
before
12
1
21
will
remain
at
grade
A4
and
in
the
mou
that
we
had
signed,
we
completely
scratched
out
the
A4
position,
so
it
needs
to
that
needs
to
change.
So
we'll
have
to
do
another
signed
mou
with
the
union
and
then
that
will
need
to
go
through
Council
for.
G
So
Council
may
remember
that,
with
the
removal
of
our
part
of
our
meter
repair
person,
specifically,
we
were
able
to
have
an
additional
and
then
everybody.
This
is
that
whole
change,
but
we
tried
to
fix
it
by
removing
that
and
it
actually
needs
to
be
done.
Q
At
some
point,
as
of
December
31,
we'll
have
one
less
of
the
a4s
due
to
retirement,
but
at
some
point
all
of
our
parking
enforcement
officers
will
be
A5
by
the
2403
one
contract.
G
Any
questions
from
the
committee
other
members
of
council,
public
administration,
okay,
thank
you,
director
Lucas.
We
will
finish
up
finding
some
Personnel
tonight
by
talking
about
some
Appropriations.
G
The
first
one
is
an
appropriation
of
Sixteen
thousand
dollars
to
the
police
department.
They
are
utilizing
a
Conex
storage
container
for
evidence
that
needs
needs
insulation
in
order
to
really
keep
the
evidence
in
the
proper
State,
and
then
they
also
have
some
additional
body
camera
kits
that
are
necessary.
G
A
12
12
000
of
this
is
for
three
more
body
camera
sets.
This
includes
the
tasers
and
the
holsters,
and
this
is
for
reserves
who
are
working
20
hours
per
week,
director
Stone
anything
to
add
there.
D
So
it's
for
full-time
Personnel,
but
we
have
three
Reserve
officers
that
currently
work
about.
You
know
at
least
20
hours
a
week
and
we
like
to
keep
them.
You
know
in
order
to
you,
know,
maintain
our
coverage
and
so
we'd
like
to
not
take
those
body
cameras
away
to
give
to
the
new
full-time
officers
when
they
come
in.
We
like
to
go
ahead
and
keep
you
know
body
cameras
assigned
to
those.
D
You
know
Reserve
officers
who
are
working
that
frequently
so
we're,
and
this
is
a
tc500
expense
initially
and
then,
after
it's
after
it's
they're,
bought
that
capital
purchases
made.
Then
it's
a
it's
a
you
know
sustained
subscription
that
you
make
to
the
to
the
axon
system,
and
so
the
upgrades
in
the
future
are
part
of
the
subscription.
This
is
the
initial
purchase
that
get
the
systems.
Thank.
G
You
any
questions
on
this
appropriation
of
the
police
department
committee
on
the
members
of
Council
in
public
okay.
Moving
on
the
next
item
is
fifty
five
thousand
dollars
to
parking
enforcement.
This
is
due
to
increased
costs
in
our
you
know,
prove
our
software
provider
for
our
new
parking
meters
IPC.
G
The
reason
why
there
is
this
increased
cost
is
because
we
have
been
receiving
so
much
more
tickets,
so
there
is
an
increase
in
a
hundred
and
fifteen
110
000
in
citations
and
tickets,
but
that
there
is
a
corresponding
fee
for
each
of
those
tickets
within
the
system,
which
means
that
we
need
to
appropriate
fifty
five
thousand
dollars
more
to
parking
enforcement
to
cover
the
costs
of
these
additional
citations
and
tickets
wow
members
of
committee.
Any
questions
on
that
remember:
Swank,.
G
L
You
know
and
we're
fully
staffed
now
currently
with
our
parking
enforcement
officers.
So
that's
one
reason
and
I
will
say
the
people
on
patrol
are
patrolling
and
then
the
IPS
system
is
set
up
to
where
you
can
identify
expired
meters
remotely.
You
know
that
may
be
part
of
it
as
well,
but
we've
had
that.
You
know
as
part
of
the
IPS
feature
for
a
while,
but
it
it's
a
you
know.
It's
a
pretty
active
parking
enforcement
group.
There's.
O
D
To
me,
we
so
we
had
a.
We
had
a
what
we
believe:
a
single,
a
single
person,
we've
analyzed
several
but
I
think
it
was
a
someone
didn't
like
parking
meters.
Maybe
they
got
a
ticket.
I
will
double
check
if
we
caught
that
person.
Yet
I
know
that
there
were
some
leads
specifically
on
on
that
particular
offense.
D
I,
just
don't
know
if
it's,
if
it's,
if
we've
caught
them
yet,
but
to
the
point
about
the
mou,
you
know
our
meter
Enforcement
Officers,
our
parking
enforcement
officers
also
under
that
mou
also
do
the
repairs
and
and
the
the
new
folks
we
have
on
staff,
are
very
diligent
about
about
doing
repairs.
In-House
When
Things
become
damaged,
buying
the
parts
as
opposed
to
just
sending
it
away
and
having
it.
The
contractor
fix
those
no.
G
They're
very
good
right.
Other
questions.
Okay.
The
next
item
is
five
thousand
dollars
to
the
garbage
fund
to
cover
a
medical
transfer
and
I.
Don't
have
additional
information
on
this.
This
is
from
the
auditor's
office
for
760,
which
is
the
garbage
fund
transaction
code
100
to
cover
a
medical
transfer,
I.
D
I
am
fairly
certain.
It
has
to
do
with
when
you
have
an
employee,
that's
paid
out
of
the
garbage
fund.
That
fund
pays
the
medical
fund
for
medical
insurance,
and
so,
as
we've
hot,
you
know,
we
we,
you
know,
you
know,
allocated
funds
to
to
pay
for
the
people
who
are
paid
out
of
the
garbage
fund.
D
So
have
them
go
ahead
and
transfer
that
money
to
the
medical
fund
for
their
their
share
of
health
insurance,
and
there
just
wasn't
enough
put
in
the
budget
this
year
for
the
garbage
Personnel.
Okay,.
G
Okay
and
then
the
next
appropriation
is
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
the
general
fund
auditor
to
cover
income
tax
refunds.
So
we
have
discussed
this.
You
know
at
length.
The
most
recent
information
I
had
from
the
auditor
was
that
extensions
are
coming
in.
They
have
processed
about
93
000
in
refunds,
and
it
looks
like
another
33
000
in
the
process.
G
This
puts
us
slightly
over.
We
have
left
in
the
account
line
and
she
is
requesting
an
additional
hundred
thousand
dollars.
Hopefully
it's
not
all
needed,
but
they
did
just
process
a
sixty
thousand
dollar
refund.
G
Any
questions
on
this
ongoing
appropriation,
other
members
of
council,
anything
to
add
to
the
administration,
okay
and
the.
Finally,
we
have
a
somewhat
annual
ordinance
that
reduces
the
2022
Appropriations.
G
So
this
was
first
introduced
a
number
of
years
ago
because
of
the
an
auditor,
an
auditor
of
the
city,
not
the
city
auditor,
but
somebody
who
was
auditing
the
city
in
their
management
letter
made
a
comment
about
the
city's
finances.
When
the
city
appropriates
money,
we
have
to
have
the
money
available
if
we
appropriate
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
spend,
but
we
only
get
seventy
five
thousand
dollars
in
Revenue.
Then
it
looks
like
we
could
spend
money
that
we
don't
have
and
the
Auditors
don't
want
the
over
appropriation
on
the
books.
G
Now
the
auditor's
office
says
that
they
never
overspend,
but
this
ordinance
allows
the
auditor
to
go
in
and
reduce
any
Appropriations
that
appear
that
we
could
reduce.
This
is
a
one-time
reduction
by
the
auditor
at
the
end
of
the
year.
Any
questions
from
the
committee
on
this
other
members
accounts
public
administration.
L
D
If
there's
a,
if
there's
a
volatile
Revenue
area,
Revenue
line
that
maybe
we
expected
to
get
a
certain
amount
and
then
appropriate
it
against
that,
but
then,
for
whatever
reason
it
didn't
come
in,
that's
the
point
there.
The
daughter
could
just
unilaterally
go
and
reduce
that
appropriation
needs.
D
G
Thank
you
and
that
ends
when
it's
a
Personnel
president
nicely.
B
B
I'll
get
a
little
bit
of
background
information
and
I
know
that
service
safety
director
Stone,
has
some
additional
information
about
this.
Some
of
the
recent
history
on
it
is
is
that
we
did
change
the
word
boundaries
in
1991.
B
and
then
we
left
we
retained
the
existing
boundaries
in
2001.
and
then
in
2011.
Shortly
after
the
next
census,
then
University
States
had
been
added,
and
so
there
were
some
minor
adjustments
made.
Our
obligation
is
to
keep
those
Ward
districts
upon
approximately
the
same
and
even
population.
B
So
we
do
have
Ohio
Revised
Code.
That
offers
us
that
we
can
change
the
awards
and
we
do
have
the
authority
to
divide
the
wards,
and
we
can
do
that
by
ordinance.
The
question
I
think
right
now
is
whether
it
makes
sense
to
do
that
right
now
or
to
retain
the
existing
boundaries
and
I
do
believe
that
Deputy
service
safety
director
chicky,
has
uncovered
in
a
way
in
which
we
can
appeal
the
census
calendar.
The
application
for
that
appeal
would
be
in
June
of
Mayor
Patterson,
yes,
yeah.
L
Eisley's
correct
or
a
minor
correction:
our
population
is
currently
23
849,
but
you're
right.
We
grew
by
17
individuals,
but
Paul
log
really
took
a
deep
dive
into
the
census
blocks,
so
we
have
census
tracts.
Those
are
the
larger
swaths
there's
eight
of
them
within
our
Census
count
here
in
the
city
of
Athens.
L
But
then
you
can
go
much
more
granular
and
look
at
things
by
the
census
block
and
he
did
Identify
two
apartment
complexes
in
particular,
one
that
is
typically
running
at
85
percent
capacity
in
a
in
a
unit,
an
apartment
complex
that
would
typically
house
more
than
a
thousand
individuals,
another
one
that
was
typically
80
to
85
percent
capacity
as
well.
That
was
over
800
individuals
that
we
live
were
living
there,
the
one
that
was
800,
the
census
block,
showed
up
as
there
being
57
people
counted
there
and
again.
L
We
all
are
well
aware
that
our
Census
count
took
place
smack
dab
in
the
middle
of
a
100
Year
pandemic,
and
so
therefore
we
we
strongly
believe
that
our
counts
are
off,
and
so,
with
this
new
turn
of
events
through
the
Census
Bureau,
you
know
again,
as
president
nicely
was
indicating
that
Andrew
chicky
is
going
to
dig
deeper
into
that
to
see
if
we
qualify,
you
know
for
contesting
it
through
this
mechanism
that
would
recognize
and
and
treat
them
like
I
said
as
group
quarters
that
we
have
that
the
university
with
residence
Halls
they
all
get
tabulated
and
the
information
is
sent
on
to
the
Census
Bureau
straight
through
the
registrar's
office.
L
One
success
that
we
did
have
in
2020
when
I
was
fighting
pretty
hard
with
the
Census
Bureau
was
to
be
able
to
use
the
registrar's
office
for
any
student
who
lived
off
campus
and
registered
that
off
off
campus
off-campus
address
with
the
registrar's
office.
Finally,
the
Census
Bureau
did
seed
to
that
and
said
sure
if
you've
got
that,
unfortunately,
it's
not
necessarily
required
at
Ohio
University
to
have
the
the
student
put
anything
other
than
their
permanent
address
through
the
registrar's
office
and
sadly,
there's
no
evidence
to
suggest
this.
L
But
if
that's
what's
being
sent,
you
know
that
it's
it's
not
an
infereseeable
for
that
individual
to
actually
be
counted
elsewhere,
other
than
where
they're
legally
supposed
to
be
counted,
which
is
right
here
in
the
city
of
Athens,
because
it's
the
census
is
predicated
upon
where
you
live.
The
majority
of
your
year
during
a
day
annual
census
year
is
where
you
get
counted.
I
L
Will
not
because
they
were,
there
was
no.
This
is
the
2020
census,
and
so,
even
though
it
was
annexed
in
and
in
the
future,
it
will
add
to
the
First
Ward.
It
certainly
is
not
accountable
property
even
in
the
future.
Now,
if,
if
we
go
through
this
process,
but
this
process
doesn't
start
until
after
after
that
is
has
started
to
rent
and
fill
up,
it
could
potentially
be
counted
within
the
Census
count
with
a
recount
we'll
have
Andrew
chicky.
Look
into
that
as
well.
F
Several
questions
number
one
are
the
wards
balance
now
in
terms
of
residence
per
okay
and
then
the
second
question
would
be
if
this,
if
we
have
to
wait
till
June,
we
would
be
talking
about
the
2025
City
elections
as
opposed
to
the
2023
City
elections,
because
the
primary
is
in
May
of
this
year.
F
F
L
All
right,
no
and
I
will
also
say
I'm.
Sorry,
I'm,
sorry
that
mayor
Patterson.
L
Having
the
Insight
that
I
do
into
how
the
Census
Bureau
operates
with
even
a
special
recount
for
a
community,
if
we
were
to
go
down
that
path
and
that's
a
normal
standard
process
for
any
community
that
you
want
to
challenge
it,
and
it's
going
to
cost
you
half
a
million
dollars
to
do
so.
Those
counts
typically
take
four
to
five
years
to
accomplish
so
yeah
I'm
with
you
I'd
shake
my
head
too.
Just
go
yeah
we're!
This
is
not
going
to
be
something
that
has
any
level
of
of
being
expeditiously
done.
So
so
could.
F
L
D
D
But
you
know
if
we
do
this
effort
and
we
get
pretty
good
data
about
where
everything
is
that
we
submit
under
this
appeal,
and
it
does
take
a
couple
years
and
then
in
the
meantime
you
know,
Kershaw
green
fills
up
and
we
know
the
count
there
and
we
know
that
that
has
been
annexed
since
afterwards
we
could
come
back
to
this
body
and
make
a
recommendation
that
you
know
we
think
it's
going
to
come
down
to
this
category
and
we
recommend
that
at
this
time
you
pick
up
redrime
Awards,
whether
or
not
it
goes
above
25
000.
D
D
We
could,
you
know,
come
back
to
you
and
make
the
recommendation.
Let's
go
ahead.
We
recommend
you
go
ahead
and
redraw
the
words
and
you
know
would
give
some
base
maps
that
we
would
recommend
and
then
you
could
work
off
of
that.
So
I
mean
that's
how
we
would
approach
this,
given
that
we're
going
to
collect
data
in
order
to
make
this
appeal,
that's
due
by
nextcode.
L
I'm
glad
you
brought
that
up,
there's
a
big
difference
between
what
the
state
would
recognize
versus
what
the
federal
government's
going
to
recognize
the
federal
government's
going
to
recognize
the
diennial
Census
count.
L
So
you
know
what
they
did
was
Herculean
I
I
applaud
them
for
what
they
were
able
to
do
to
get
their
count
north
of
5
000.,
but
bear
in
mind
that
if
they
were
to
to
challenge
that
at
the
U.S
Census
Bureau
level,
again,
it
would
require
having
to
pay
for
a
special
census
to
where
the
Census
Bureau
sends
their
team
and
recruits
a
bunch
of
of
enumerators
to
go
into
Nelsonville
and
do
a
recount
that
way.
So
it
was
the
the
secretary
of
state
that
that
approved.
B
Thinking
that
that's
possible
that
just
to
leave
the
sense,
the
the
war
districts,
the
same
right
now
to
leave
the
existing
Ward
boundaries.
Is
that
what
I'm
and
and
to
work
with
the
city
Administration
on
the
appeal
that
will
come
in
June.
L
I
would
just
say
to
add
real
quickly
that
again,
as
I've
mentioned,
you
know,
the
official
census
shows
us
growing
by
17
people
where
we're
going
to
try
and
weave
something
to
where
we
get
those
17
people
corrected.
If
we
grew
by
17
people,
and
the
other
thing
just
to
share
with
council
is,
is
within
the
Diane
2020
Daniel
census.
L
We
really
did
an
Annex
any
significant
property,
unlike
back
in
2010,
when
we
did
Annex
in
University
Estates,
and
we
did
see
significant
growth
with
that
that
development
being
pulled
in
so
but
we'll
look
at.