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Athens City Council - May 9, 2022
A
Good
evening
and
welcome
to
athens
city
council,
it's
monday
may
9th
7
pm
and
we
are
having
a
series
of
committee
meetings
tonight.
We
are
going
to
alter
the
agenda
slightly
and
we
will
be
having
the
finance
and
personnel
committee
first,
as
we
have
an
out-of-town
presenter
who
needs
to
do
travel
yet
tonight.
B
As
I
think
everyone
is
aware,
our
public
safety
capital
improvements
levy
passed
by
voters
last
week
and
council
will
now
need
to
city
administration
and
council
together
will
need
to
start
working
forward
moving
forward
on
the
project
for
the
new
athens
fire
department
headquarters,
including
a
timeline
for
land
acquisition,
as
well
as
a
bonding
timeline,
and
tonight
we
will
be
discussing
the
bonding
timeline
we
are
joined
by
mike
burns.
He
is
the
managing
director
of
public
finance
at
rw,
bayern
company
investment
bank
and
financial
services
company
and
an
o.u
grad
welcome
back
to
athens
mike.
B
It's
please
glad
to
have
you
here
and
we'll
hear
from
mike
tonight
on
the
the
bond
and
then
council,
in
the
next
couple
of
weeks,
we'll
be
needing
legislation
to
move
forward
with
this
process.
Mike
thanks
very
much
well,.
C
Thank
you
thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
join
you
tonight
and
it's
always
great
to
come
back.
I
was
saying
to
kathy
before
I
actually
came
down
a
little
early
about
an
hour
early.
I
thought
I'd
walk
around
campus
may
get
a
bite
to
eat
the
pub
my
favorite
restaurant
everything's
closed,
so
I'm
not
going
to
chipotle
instead,
which
wasn't
quite
happening.
D
C
Thank
you
for
having
me
my
name
is
mike
burns.
I'm
with
baird
and
I've
been
fortunate
enough
to
work
with
the
city
of
athens
for
several
years
now
on
different
bond
issues
and
different
finances
that
the
city
has
also
been
fortunate
enough
to
work
with
your
school
district,
athens
city,
school
district.
I
financed
their
new
school
facilities
in
the
past
couple
years,
as
well
as
most
of
the
school
districts
throughout
athens
and
and
maggs
and
hawking
counties,
so
notice
they're
very
well.
I
do.
C
I'm
really
here
for
you
tonight,
so
if
you
have
any
questions
want
to
talk
about
anything,
just
kind
of
leave
me
in
that
direction.
I'm
happy
to
respond
to
you
again,
but
here's
that
interest
rate
draft
and
you're
going
to
see
this
often,
as
I
kind
of
I
don't
know,.
C
You
see
this
interest
rate
graphics
on
occasion
over
the
next
couple
months,
and
this
is
a
good
indication
of
where
tax
exempt
interest
rates
have
been,
and
you
see
on.
This
is
what
we
call
the
triple
a
m
d
index
and
you
can
see
the
5
10
and
20
year
index.
C
This
is
only
the
index
that
tax
exempt
bonds
are
sold
off
of,
and
you
see
going
back
to
2019
the
5
10
and
in
20-year
index
was
anywhere
from
2
up
to
almost
3
percent
came
down
over
time
and
in
march
2020
we
all
know
what
that
was.
I
see
some
mass
still
on.
We
know
what
happened,
then.
That's
when
covert
really
hit
home
and
what
happened
was
fear
fear
caused
interest
rates
to
go
sky
high
and
you
see,
interest
rates
went
up
quite
a
bit
as
fear
subsided.
C
Then
2022
came
around
january,
22
came
around
and
what
happened
was
it's
time
for
rates
to
go
up?
We've
been
all
talking
about,
rates
have
to
go
up,
rates
have
to
go
up.
Inflation
fears
all
this
stuff
going
on
economy
is
doing
pretty
well
unemployment
rates
very
low
and
that
costs
interest
rates
to
spike
up.
So,
although
some
would
say
it's
good
for
the
economy,
it's
bad
for
your
bond
issue
and
if
you
remember,
I
met
with
the
finance
committee
before
you
know.
C
We
chatted
about
there's
a
process
when
you
issue
bonds,
you
can't
just
walk
into
your
local
bank
and
say
hey.
I
need
to
issue
a
bond.
Let's
do
it
tomorrow.
You
got
to
get
the
support
of
the
bon
of
the
taxpayers,
which
you
know.
Thankfully,
the
taxpayers
stepped
up
and
supported
the
the
the
income
tax
levy
very
strongly.
C
So
now
we
got
that
hurdle
passed.
Now
we
got
to
talk
about
the
financing
side,
the
issuance
of
bonds-
and
this
is
a
process
as
well.
I'm
going
to
work
with
your
mayor
and
work
with
your
auditor
just
like
I
did
last
time
and
it's
a
process
we
ought
to
go
through,
but
the
last
time
we
met.
We
talked
about
timing
and
we
all
understood
interest
rates
are
going
up.
C
So
we
are
in
agreement
that,
if
we're
fortunate
enough
to
have
this
income
tax
pass,
we
need
to
get
jumping
as
soon
as
we
can
and
that's
essentially
what
I've
I've
done
and
what
you
have
done
is
city
council
and
we're
in
a
position
now
where
we're
ready
to
move
as
quickly
as
we
possibly
can.
In
my
opinion,
it's
almost
like
a
race
against
time.
We
want
to
get
to
the
market
as
quickly
as
we
can
and
I
think
we
have
a
good
path
going
forward.
C
If
you
look
at
this
graph,
you
can
see
february.
23Rd
is
when
we
kind
of
locked
into
interest
rates
for
ballot
purposes,
and
then
you
can
see
what
the
change
was.
Just
since
february,
23rd
interest
rates
went
up
anywhere
from
1.1
the
1.12
over
that
time
period,
which
is
a
pretty
big
jump.
When
you
look
how
low
rates
were?
Originally,
it's
not
quite
double,
but
it's
it's
getting
close.
C
The
last
thing
I'll
say
about
interest
rates
and
last
there's
questions.
Is
this
one
other
graph,
the
same
exact
graph,
but
you
can
see.
B
C
Are
going
up,
you
know
and
it's
a
it's
a
shame
that
we
couldn't
have
got
to
the
market
a
little
sooner
than
we
did
again.
We
couldn't
you
guys
moved
as
quickly
as
we
possibly
could
and
did
everything
right.
But
if
you
look
back
to
1991
these
same
index,
5
10
and
20
year
index
was
anywhere
from
six
up
to
seven
percent
index
and
you
see
ever
since
then
it
kind
of
came
down
came
down
a
couple
of
spikes
up
and
down
during
the
great
recession,
the
2020,
the
2000
recession.
C
So
overall
interest
rates
are
still
very
very
low
and
that's
what
I
want
to
point
out
rates
are
still
very,
very
low
they're,
not
as
low
as
they
were
back
in
january
or
december
last
year,
but
overall
they're
still
at
a
very
low
interest
rate.
So
it's
a
good
time
to
borrow
now
in
terms
of
different
projects.
C
Use
another
hand
out-
and
you
can
see
on
this-
some
of
you
probably
seen
this
before.
C
And
it
shows
this
seven
and
a
half
eight
meet
and
a
half
a
nine
million
dollar
project,
and
you
can
kind
of
see
over
20
years,
which
is
the
term
that
I
think
the
city
decided
to
want
to
go
out
and
finance
this
fire
station
over
over
a
20-year
term.
You
can
see
the
third
column
from
the
right
is
the
estimated
annual
payment
as
of
today-
and
you
can
see
the
fourth
combo
from
the
right-
is:
how
much
we're
projecting
the
income
tax
to
be
the
0.1
percent
income
tax.
C
C
So
I
think,
even
with
the
rate
heights,
we're
still
in
a
very,
very
good
position
to
move
forward
with
this
project,
even
on
the
largest
project,
which
is
9
million
and
again,
I
know
you're
still
trying
to
figure
out
the
project
cost
of
this
project.
It's
going
to
vary.
You
know
over
time
here,
but
I
like
to
show
kind
of
worst
case
scenario
in
terms
of
you
know:
9
million-
that
you
still
afford
that.
C
If
that's
what
you
decide
to
do
going
forward,
so
I'm
going
to
stop
real
quick
here,
just
kind
of
opening
up
any
questions
by
anyone
about
interest
rates
and
where
they've
been
yeah.
I
will
mention
where
I
think
rate's
going
to
go
moving
forward,
but
you
know
interest
rates
going
forward,
they're
talking
in
june,
they
being
the
federal
reserve
board,
is
talking
about
increasing
the
fed
funds
rate
by
another
50
basis,
points
which
is
another
half
percent.
In
june
they
just
raised
the
fed
funds
rate
in
may
last
week
by
a
half
percent.
C
Again
they
expect
another
half
percent
in
june
and
I'm
hearing
maybe
another
quarter
to
a
half
percent.
At
least
this
year
later.
On
this
year,
so
again,
I
think
it's
kind
of
a
race
against
time
to
try
to
lock
these
rates
in
as
soon
as
we
can
to
keep
the
cost
down
as
much
as
possible.
C
But
any
questions
about
interest
rates
or
the
financing
itself,
the
issuance
of
bonds.
C
Okay,
so
the
process
of
issuing
bonds
we're
going
to
do
exactly
the
same
thing.
We
did
last
time
with
the
pool
bonds.
You
know
the
pool
bonds
were
income
tax
that
we
raised.
The
city
raised,
we
issued
bonds,
we
got
a
bond
rating,
we
did
official
statement
your
mayor,
your
auditor,
did
a
really
really
good
job
up
in
chicago
they
presented
to
the
rating
agency.
They
hit
the
ball
out
of
the
ballpark.
You
know
we
came
home
with
a
really
strong
bond
rating
of
double
a2,
which
is
high.
C
Quality,
speaks
volumes
of
the
city
and
this
community
we're
going
to
do
the
same
exact
thing,
but
sorry
guys,
I
don't
think
we'll
be
traveling
in
chicago
in
chicago
they're,
actually
still
pretty
much
shut
down.
The
rating
analysts
don't
even
come
in
the
office
they're
working
remotely,
so
we'll
have
to
do
a
conference
call
this
time.
But
since
we
already
have
a
rating
in
hand,
a
conference
call
will
suffice.
C
And
this
might
change
a
little
bit,
but
you
can
see
on
here
a
couple
of
different
steps
that
I'll
be
working
through
with
your
mayor
and
your
auditor
as
well
as
your
bond
council,
and
you
know
I'll
work
with.
Let's
say
just
like.
I
did
last
time
kind
of
hold
their
hands.
They
don't
do
this
every
day,
so
I'll
make
sure
we
accomplish
all
the
tasks
the
right
way,
the
most
efficient,
the
most
efficient
way
and
make
sure
we
get
a
strong
outcome
with
with
the
bond
rating
when
the
time
comes.
C
The
key
date
on
this
is
for
you
it's
a
couple
dates
may
16th
monday
may
16th.
I
believe
that's
going
to
be
your
first
reading
of
bond
legislation
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
I
think
that's
the
first
date
bond
council
already
prepared
the
ordinance
I
reviewed
it
already.
C
I
had
I
had
a
couple
of
little
minor
comments,
nothing
significant
and
then
on
june,
10th
you're
going
I'm
sorry
june
20th
monday
june
20th
you'll
then
officially
pass
the
legislation
to
allow
us
to
move
forward
with
with
the
bond
issuance
and
then
really
in
my
mind.
The
key
date
is
june
28th
june
28th
is
the
date
which
says
bond
pricing,
lock
interest
rates.
That's
when
we're
going
to
lock
the
interest
rates
on
that
date.
So
that
means
we
have
interest
rate
risk
from
today
until
june
28th
and
there's
really
nothing.
C
C
I
wanted
to
kind
of
keep
it
short
today,
but
I
did
want
to
give
you
an
update
on
interest
rates.
Give
you
a
little
feedback
where
I
think
rate's
going
to
go
forward,
see
what
the
payments
are
today
and
then
the
closing
schedule.
So
again,
I'm
here
to
answer
any
questions
that
anyone
may
have.
Yes,
sir.
E
C
It's
a
very
good
idea
and
I'm
glad
you
brought
that
up.
It's
a
very
good
idea.
I
don't
think
you
need
to
necessarily
because
the
other
steps
are
going
to
take
time
too,
so
it
kind
of
falls
in
line.
If
you
do
suspend
it,
we
might
be
able
to
shave
off
a
week
or
two
and
lock
it
in
that
much
more
quickly,
but
it's
really
going
to
come
down
to
how
quickly
can
we
make
it
through
the
process?
C
G
You
explain
the
process
to
everybody
because
of
things
we'll
be
meeting
and
doing
and
what
we
present
to
to
the
bond
agency.
It's
not
just
we
make
a
phone
call
and
say:
hey,
you
know,
you're
great.
C
Yeah,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
kathy.
That's
a
good
question
as
well.
The
process
involved
is
the
biggest
time
restraint.
It's
going
to
be
something
called
a
preliminary
official
statement.
It's
a
pretty
thick
disclosure
document,
it's
kind
of
like
perspectives
when
you
buy
stocks,
has
everything
about
the
city
in
there.
C
That's
a
pretty
heavy
lift
for
your
auditor,
mainly
and
her
staff.
Even
though
the
mayor
is
going
to
be
helping
through
this
process-
and
maybe
some
of
you
that's
a
pretty
heavy
lift.
So
we
need
some
time
a
couple
weeks
for
her
to
do
that,
because
she
has
a
full-time
job
as
well
and
then
once
that's
complete,
we
got
to
finalize
this.
C
The
rating
presentation-
and
you
see-
I
already
have
done
actually
just
reviewed
it
today-
five
nine
twenty
two-
it's
in
pretty
good
shape,
but
this
is
gonna,
be
a
process
as
well,
which
I
come
down
and
speak
to
your
mayor
and
your
auditor,
and
we
kind
of
go
through
this
and
the
first
time
I
kind
of
tell
them
what
the
story
is
kind
of
like
the
coach
in
a
way
and
then
the
second
time
I
come
down,
they're
going
to
present
to
me
and
I'll
kind
of
help
fine-tune
the
message
a
little
bit.
C
Then
the
third
meeting
would
be
in
this
is
all
outlined,
the
closing
schedule.
The
third
meeting
will
be
a
phone
call
to
the
rating
to
see
who's
who's
moody's,
investor
service.
So
that's
the
process,
but
the
official
statement.
I
know
dennis
moore's
working
on
it
right
now.
They
need
probably
about
two
and
a
half
weeks
to
prepare
it
and
then
we'll
probably
want
to
give
your
team
two
weeks
give
or
take
to
prepare
it.
C
But
to
your
point:
if
you
want
to
suspend
the
hearing,
we
might
be
able
to
shave
off
a
week
or
two,
but
we're
still
gonna
be
in
mid-june
time
frame.
So
it's
really
up
to
you
guys
on
that.
But
the
process
is
a
lot
of
work.
I'm
here
to
hold
her
hand
and
help
him
through
it.
But
it's
you
know
it's
it's
not
a
simple
process,
but
they
do
a
great
job
last
time
they
did
a
great
great
job
on
it.
So
I'm
sure
they'll
do
it
again.
Well,.
E
The
process,
sorry,
but
the
pro
the
process
that
you're
going
through
is
not
just
sequential
it's
sort
of
as
parallel.
What
council
does
is
really
independent
of
what
the
process
that
you're
going
through
we're
passing
legislation.
The.
E
C
No,
it's
just
we're
not
going
to
save
a
ton
of
time
by
doing
a
special
yeah,
but
it
would
help
if
the
counselor
is
comfortable
with
just
go
ahead
and
get
it
taken
care
of
it
won't
hurt.
If
you
say
I
feel
more
comfortable
having
the
two
readings.
It's
not
gonna
move
the
needle
too
much
so
you're
exactly
right,
they're
different
things.
B
So
two
quick
notes:
excellent
questions.
Member
eisner
one
is
the
city
administration.
Auditor.
President
knisley
has
been
looking
very
closely
at
the
calendar
throughout
this
process
since
last
year,
and
so
that
there's
been
some
some
work.
That's
been
done
well
ahead
of
time
to
manage
this
in
a
timely
manner,
but
also,
I
believe
president
nisly
is
considering
a
special
session
on
the
23rd,
which
would
also
move
up
this.
There
could
be
so.
I
To
jeff's
point
I
I
think
sooner
much
sooner
is
better
than
later.
In
less
than
eight
weeks,
the
rates
have
gone
up,
sixty
percent
in
less
than
eight
weeks-
that's
huge!
That's
just
unbelievable.
We
often
reserve
special
sessions
for
very
special
things.
We
really
reserve
suspending
the
rules
for
extremely
special
things,
but
it
seems
to
me
that
the
quicker
we
can
get
this
done
the
better.
I
I
guess
my
question
is
this
and
I
appreciate
the
detail
you've
gone
into
with
the
situation
of
newspapers
in
america
today
there
is
little
sometimes
no
newspaper
coverage
but
you're
actually
on
the
seven
o'clock
news
tonight,
and
this
is
being
recorded
from
hospitality.
I
Okay
and
the
reason
that's
important
is
bonds
are
not
something
that
most
people
understand.
So
this
is
an
opportunity.
People
can
watch
this
live
tonight.
Other
places
come
back
and
see
exactly
what
we've
done
and
what
you've
shared,
and
I
truly
appreciate
that
looking
at
this
do
we
have-
and
this
may
be
for
the
for
the
mayor
and
kathy.
Looking
at
this,
have
we
locked
in
locked
in?
Have
we
yeah
locked
in
on
a
mount?
Are
we
looking
at
seven?
Five?
I
J
So
our
sort
of
safety
director's
estimate
is
about
8.47
million.
We
were
going
to
round
that
up
to
8.5.
However,
you
know
the
construction
is
not
going
to
start
right
away.
J
So
if
we
don't
need
this,
however,
we
do
have
plans
for
additional
money
from
this
levy,
but
but
we
feel
pretty
comfortable
with
the
9
million
as
being
the
most.
We
would
need
to
spend
for
this
new
station
will.
C
What
we
can
do,
we've
done
in
other
cities,
counties
school
districts
is
we
can
offer
the
bonds
to
the
local
community,
so
anyone
local
can
buy
the
bonds
through
any
financial
advisor.
They
work
with
it's
raymond
james,
edward
jones,
merrill
lynch,
you
name
it.
Whoever
the
local
advisor
is
down
here.
If
they
have
clients
who
want
to
buy
these
bonds,
we
welcome
that
all
day
every
day.
C
In
fact,
what
we
do
is
we
get
a
first
priority,
which
means
any
local,
resident
or
bank
or
any
other
business
entity
that
wants
to
buy
these
bonds
will
give
them
first
shot
at
the
bonds
before
anyone
else,
as
long
as
they're
willing
to
buy
the
bonds
at
the
interest
rate
right
that
we
can
get,
because
our
goal
is
to
get
the
lowest
interest
rate
for
you.
So
yes,
when
we
put
newspaper
articles
out
and
stuff
like
that,
when
the
time
comes,
can.
C
We
did
a
little
bit.
Yes,
I
don't
remember,
I
don't
think
we
got
a
whole
lot.
Usually
it
sounds
better.
Keep
in
mind.
You
know
people
can
invest
in
the
stock
market
and
make
12
on
their
money
or
they
can
buy.
You
know
whatever
lower
rated
issue
than
a
double
a2
rated
city
and
get
a
higher
interest
rate
or
higher
yield.
So
a
lot
of
times.
People
don't
really
want
this
lower
yield,
but
we
offer
it
because
sometimes
there's
people
that
do
want
to
buy
the
bonds
and
be
a
part
of
this.
F
Mayor
mike,
could
you
remind
everybody:
well
I'll
remind
everyone
when
we
went
for
the
pool
levy
and
we
sat
before
moody's.
We
were
anticipating
dropping
from
double
a2
down
to
into
less
desirable,
less
desirable
bond
rating,
and
what's
anticipated
this
time
around
is
our
bond
rating.
Is
there
any
anticipation
of
it
dropping
or
projected
again?
That
would
be
a
moody's
and
kathy,
and
I
must
have
done
pretty
well.
C
Because
we
stayed
at
double
ended,
you
guys
did
an
excellent
job
and
they
appreciated
them,
making
the
trip
to
chicago
they
appreciate
sitting
across
it's
just
like
interviewing
for
a
job.
It's
always
good
to
be
in
person.
If
you
can-
and
you
guys
did
a
great
job,
you
portrayed
yourself
well
and
you're
right,
we
did
maintain
a
double
a2
rating,
I'm
always
the
glass
half
full
kind
of
guy.
C
You
know
I'm
just
conservative
by
nature,
so
I
would
say:
there's
always
that
risk
of
a
potential
downgrade,
but
I
think
you're
in
just
as
strong
in
position
as
you
are
today,
as
you
were,
you
know
three
years
ago,
if
not
stronger
your
income,
tax
has
grown
nicely.
Economy
is
booming.
I
drive
up
and
down
course
street,
and
you
know
out
that
way
and
it's
all
kind
of
economic
growth,
so
you
guys
are
doing
a
lot
of
great
great
things
in
your
city.
C
So,
in
my
opinion,
you're
stronger
today
than
you
were
when
we
did
the
chicago
trip
a
couple
years
ago.
So
to
answer
your
question,
I
I'm
not
anticipating
any
downgrade,
but
I
always
want
to
make
it
clear.
There's
always
that
risk,
because
you're
a
very
highly
rated
city
but
you're,
not
a
very
large
city,
compared
to
like
the
columbus
and
cleveland
people
like
that,
okay.
B
When
that
final
presentation
is
completed,
I
encourage
all
council
members
to
take
a
look
at
it.
That's
really
fascinating
that
the
job
that
they
do,
the
mayor
and
the
auditor's
office
in
conjunction
with
mike
to
put
together
this
is
the
city
of
athens
really
from
a
financial
perspective,
and
it's
it's
impressive
and
it's
a
great
document.
B
Okay,
moving
on
with
finance
and
personnel,
we
have
two
appropriations
to
discuss
tonight.
B
One
is
a
ten
thousand
dollar
appropriation
to
the
athens
enhancement
fund,
and
this
is
in
support
of
an
august
arts
and
music
festival.
That's
been
held
for
a
few
years
on
union
street
on
west
union
and
the
city
administration
is
looking
to
support
this
festival
with
some
city
funds.
B
I,
on
this
note,
I
will
just
mention
that
this
this
weekend
is
the
taste
of
athens
county
food
festival
on
on
west
state
street,
so
a
different
block
than
we've
often
closed,
and
I
think
it's
exciting
to
have
things
going
on
in
different
areas
of
the
city
and
40th
anniversary
of
tony's,
and
a
lot
of
bands
that
come
on
come
ons
are
playing
on
on
saturday
night
so
similar.
This
is
in
support
of
the
arts
and
music
festival
on
august
13th
again
on
on
west
union.
F
Sure
the
athens
enhancement
fund
is
a
fun
line
where
we
receive
monies
that
come
into
the
city
from
the
properties
down
at
depot.
F
We've
used
it
in
a
multitude
of
ways.
You
know,
there's
been
some
uptown
improvements
that
we
use
the
athens
enhancement
fund
for
we've
used
it
for
the
flowers
that
you
see
on
court
street
now,
as
well
as
plot
flowers
that
we
purchased
for
american
bloom
or
not
american,
but
that
too,
but
project
plant
puts
those
in
we've,
used
it
for
purchasing
trees.
F
But
it's
dedicated
for
enhancing
our
community
as
a
whole,
and
I
feel
that
this
is
a
very
appropriate
use
of
the
athens
enhancement
funds
for
the
athens
arts
and
music
festival.
You
know,
as
I
look
at
the
arts
and
music
fest,
which
really
falls
under
a
mac.
The
athens
municipal
arts,
commission
that
we
continue
to
embrace
that
and
the
city
take
ownership.
You
know
through
amac
to
continue
to
program
and
grow
that
out,
and
I
think
that
we
have
an
opportunity
in
that.
F
Music
festival
will
be
august,
13th
on
west
union,
okay,.
B
So,
just
to
you
know,
expand
on
some
of
the
comments
that
the
mayor
just
made.
The
dora
obviously
is
also
open
this
weekend
on
on
west
state
street
and
that's
been
a
really
nice
way
to
kind
of
increase
what
people
can
do
in
these
street
closures
and
the
for
those
like
myself
concerned
about
waste
management
issues.
B
The
city
has
moved
to
an
aluminum
cup,
a
recyclable,
very
recyclable
cup
and
then
had
an
innovative
way
to
mark
all
of
these
cups
with
the
appropriate
dora
sticker.
I
believe
president
nisly
was
in
this
room
with
maybe
20
to
30
local
students
who
donated
their
time
to
sticker
up
a
few
thousand,
if
not
10,
20
10
20.
A
B
20
cups
and
so
we're
appreciative
of
their
efforts
and-
and
I
think
the
cups
are
very
nice
and
will
be
another
nice
thing
about
the
dora
and
the
dora
did
start
last
thursday.
So
the
dora
is
active
in
the
city
of
athens.
Everyone
should
know
we
talk
a
lot
about
arts
parks
and
recreation
department
and
we've
talked
a
lot
about
appropriating
money
towards
recreation
and,
as
we've
been
discussed
at
this
council,
not
a
lot
about
the
arts.
B
F
Just
that
the
aluminum
cups
is
also
honoring,
the
plastic
plastic
free
by
23
resolution.
The
council
passed
last
year
because
we'll
both
not
only
will
the
door
be
selling
these
aluminum
cups,
but
any
events
on
court,
street
or
city
properties
you'll
be
they'll,
be
required
to
not
be
using
plastics
and
no
plastic
cutlery
or
plates
or
cups,
or
anything
like
that.
They'll
have
to
be
plastic,
free,
recycle.
B
Thank
you
so
that
ends
that
item
and
our
last
item
under
appropriations
is
an
500
appropriate
to
the
general
fund
for
the
law
director's
office
for
a
needed
computer.
Any
questions
from
the
committee
about
this
law
director
appropriation
for
a
computer,
other
members
of
council
administration
seems
kind
of
low
comments.
We.
B
A
Okay,
thank
you,
council
member
crowd,
we'll
now
move
to
committee
of
the
whole,
so
we
have
our
other
council
members
rejoin
us
and
we
have
one
agenda
item
a
pay
to
stay,
and
this
is
a
program
to
address
evictions
and
I
believe,
council,
member
zip,
is
directing
the
conversation
and
some
of
the
discussion
tonight
on
this.
This
is
our
first
first
discussion
of
it.
Yes,.
K
All
right
well,
thank
you,
president
nicely.
Yes,
so
this
is
here
in
committee
hold.
We
only
have
the
one
agenda
item
it
is
pay
to
stay
and
what
this
program
is
is
essentially
trying
to
create
a
safeguard
for
renters
who
may
be
facing
an
eviction.
Currently,
the
state
ohio
is
one
of
only
five
states
in
the
united
states,
along
with
louisiana
missouri
and
the
dakotas,
where,
if
you
are
one
day
late
on
your
rent,
you
can
be
evicted
and
that
speaking
candidly,
not
very
cool.
That's
pretty
unfortunate.
K
K
That's
obviously
not
the
case,
but
it
does
happen,
and
what
this
would
do
is
this
would
allow
a
tenant
the
time
until
the
eviction
hearing
in
order
to
pay
all
of
their
late
fees,
the
costs,
the
full
amount
of
rent
due
and,
if
they're
able
to
pay
all
of
that
and
settle
up
fully
by
the
date
of
the
hearing,
then
they're
good
to
go
and
they're
not
able
to
be
kicked
out
of
their
current
place
of
residence.
K
I
know
some
people
have
said
that
not
saying
people
in
this
room
just
generally
people
speaking
on
this
topic
will
say
that
oh
does
not
provide
an
incentive
for
people
to
potentially
not
pay
on
time
and
pay
late,
and
the
answer
is
quite
simply:
no,
that's
not
the
case
it.
They
would
still
be
hit
with
all
their
late
fees.
They
still
have
to
pay
everything.
It's
still
a
very
costly.
K
K
Yeah
yeah,
it's
overall,
I
would
say
it's
a
relatively
straightforward
thing:
there
are
12
other
cities
in
the
state
of
ohio
that
have
already
done
this,
as
well
as
newburgh
heights,
which
is
a
statutory
village
like
ourselves,
well,
city,
we're
a
statutory
city,
we're
not
a
village,
23
000
and
some
change.
I
believe
so
yeah.
It's
not
this.
This
isn't
the
we're
not
setting
precedent.
If
you
will
with
this.
This
is
something
that's
already
being
done.
K
I
know
there
is
currently
in
in
the
city
of
cincinnati
because
they
are
one
of
the
cities
that
has
passed
this.
There
is
a
judge
that
is
currently
refusing
to
uphold
this,
claiming
that
it
is
unconstitutional
with
the
state
of
ohio.
He
is
currently
the
only
one
in
the
state
of
ohio,
saying
this,
and
there
has
been
a
large
number
of
people
that
are
actually
very
sort
of
confused
by
this
and
sorry
to
sit
here
and
rant
at
you.
But
you
know:
I'm
gonna
get
all
this
information
out
there.
K
While
I
can
so
there's
a
quote
from
zach
fry
who's,
a
staff
attorney
with
legal
aid-
and
he
said
in
referring
to
this
being
not
upheld
by
this
particular
judge,
said
typically,
this
is
a
quote
typically,
when
we're
talking
about
a
law
being
enforced
or
not,
there's
got
to
be
a
legal
challenge
to
it
or
some
case
or
controversy
before
the
court
that
decides
that
issue
that
didn't
happen
here
and
then
an
additional
quote
in
this
same
little.
K
Branch
of
topic
is
from
deborah
levy,
a
senior
attorney
with
the
advocates
for
basic
legal
equality
in
dayton.
K
Saying
that
this,
the
idea
that
pay
to
stay
could
contradict
state
law
is
surprising
to
her
and
essentially
pay
to
stay.
Just
codifies
an
equity
defense
that
already
exists
in
ohio
law
in
landlord
tenant
cases
that
basically
says
that
if
a
tenant
can
make
a
landlord
whole,
then
they
should
be
able
to
stay
at
their
property.
K
So
while
there
are
some,
you
know,
tricky
things
to
sort
out
and
lots
of
little
details
overall,
at
least
in
my
opinion
I
would
say
this
is
a
fairly
straightforward
process
as
far
as
helping
people,
you
know
and
that's
I
feel,
like
that's
sort
of
our
I'd
like
to
think
that's
our
job.
It's
you
know
good
equitable
care
for
the
citizenry
of
athens,
so.
I
You
used
a
word
that
I
had
planned
to
use
in
your
last
sentence:
there,
equitable
equitable
equitable
in
reading
through
these
quotes
about
support
from
across
ohio.
Something
really
jumped
out
that
I
had
really
not
thought
about,
and
it's
the
fourth
quote-
and
I
will
quote
you
think
about
what
eviction
does
to
kids.
They
move
around.
They
don't
have
access
to
quality
housing
so
trying
to
get
stabilization
for
families,
particularly
our
black
families,
is
really
important.
End
quote.
D
I
I
I
talked
with
a
smaller
landlord
today
and
they
said
to
me:
ooh
there's
got
to
be
a
lid
on
this
only
so
many
times
a
year,
and
I
said
why
I
said
well
geez
just
going
to
get
a
habit
of
doing
this
again
and
again
and
again
and
then
they
didn't
say
another
word,
and
I
said
boy
am
I
stupid,
not
me,
but
them
they
say.
You
know
what
so
they're
late.
I
B
Thank
you,
president.
I'd
like
to
thank
the
united
athens
county
tenants
for
bringing
this
putting
this
together.
B
I'm
also
in
support
of
this
my
question
either
for
members,
if
or
anyone
is
whether
our
state
legislature
has
any
if
we
know
if
they
have
any
plans
to
dig
their
fingers
and
preempt
municipalities
from
this
legislation.
K
I
I
actually
don't
know
I
don't
know,
I
would
not
be
one
to
pass
the
buck,
but
I
would
turn
to
someone
who
has
probably
put
more
time
into
this
than
myself
and
the
people
with
with
you
act.
I
don't
know
if,
if
you
all
would
have
would
happen
to
know
anything
about
that.
L
I
could
briefly
yeah-
and
I
may
be
wrong
about
this-
we
were
on
a
conference
call
with
some
folks
from
advocates
for
basic
legal
equality
and
some
other
housing
justice
folks
from
across
the
state,
and
if
I
remember
correctly,
there
actually
is
a
senate
bill.
L
I
think
it's
a
senate
bill
that
would
enact
pay
to
stay
statewide,
but
there's
probably
not
going
to
be
any
movement
on
it
again,
like
I'm,
not
100
on
that,
so
you
definitely
want
to
check
on
it.
But
I
think,
if
I
recall
correctly,
that's
the
case
that
there,
if
anything,
there's
been
a
proposal
to
make
it
effective
statewide,
not
a
proposal
to
not
make
it
effective,
but
unfortunately,
because
of
the
makeup
of
the
general
assembly,
we're
not
likely
to
see
that
pass.
I
think
anytime
soon.
M
Okay,
so
and
again,
thank
you
to
uf
for
this
work
on
this.
You
did
really
work
hard.
I
can
see
that
so
I
contacted
one
major
landlord
who
read
it
over
and
said
fine
with
me.
M
No
problem,
I
talked
to
a
couple
of
lawyers,
and
one
of
whom
is
a
landlord,
does
not
live
in
the
city,
but
is
a
landlord,
and
she
did
have
some
problems
with
this,
and
the
other
lawyers
seem
to
be
fine
with
it
and
what
she
said
was
the
concern
about
the
loss
to
the
landlord,
and
she
said
that
it
might
be
helpful
just
throwing
this
out
here.
M
M
Oh,
I
think
it's
relevant
to
note
that
I
went
through
the
process
with
the
clerk
of
courts,
municipal
clerk
of
courts
and
discovered
that
the
process
is
that
the
landlord
has
to
send
a
letter
or
post
it
on
the
door,
a
three-day
notice.
If
they
don't
pay,
then
then
they
have
to.
If
nothing
happens,
then
they
have
to
send
a
file
to
get
a
hearing.
M
If
the
landlord
has
an
llc
which
most
of
them
do,
they
have
to
also
pay
attorneys
fees.
So
that's
that's
also
another
unless
they're
attorneys
themselves,
which
is
another
issue,
and
overall
it
took
in
2022
an
average
of
20
days
to
get
a
hearing.
M
In
that
time
there
have
been
17
filings
that
were
specifically
late,
rent
related.
There
were
other
eviction,
notices
that
had
other
multiple
lease
issues,
and
I'm
not
going
to
worry
about
that
because
of
course,
if
that
happens,
they
should
be
evicted.
Seven
were
dismissed,
six
were
granted
and
there
have
been
two
set
outs.
Two
setouts
means
that
somebody
was
essentially
removed
from
their
place
with
their
belongings.
M
M
Person
who
I
spoke
with,
but
as
member
swank
said
you
know
our
is:
is
this
gonna?
How
is
this
gonna
affect?
You
know
real
people
and,
as
ben
said,
how
are
we
gonna?
How
does
this
affect
real
people?
So
I
I
have
some
concerns
about.
What's
gonna
happen,
oh,
I
know
what
I
was
gonna
ask
for
sure.
M
Did
the
law
director
review
this
and
approve
it?
Yes,.
K
She
did
yeah
she
and
I
have
been
conversing
about
it
and
there
were
a
couple
of
additional
whereases
that
she
wanted
to
have
added
just
to
give
it
a
little
more
strength,
but
other
than
that
should
seem
to
pass
muster
for
a
law
director,
alaska.
H
Hi
everyone,
my
name,
is
laurie
bergshausen.
I
am
recently
a
new
tenant
on
the
west
side,
so
getting
to
experience
a
newer
part
of
athens
where
I
haven't
been
at
79
north
shaffer,
and
tonight
I
am
representing
you-
act.
The
united
athens
county,
tenants,
presenting
a
letter
that
has
also
been
signed
on
by
equality,
ohio,
hawking,
athens,
perry,
community
action
program,
better
known
as
habcat.
H
My
sister's
place,
the
ohio
poverty
law
center,
the
southeastern
ohio
chapter
of
the
national
lawyers
guild,
as
well
as
the
survivor,
advocacy,
outreach
program
and
I'll
just
read
letter
verbatim.
It
might
be
some
information
that
you're
already
aware
of,
or
has
already
been
stated,
but
I
don't
want
to
stray
too
far
from
it.
D
H
Ohio
is
only
one
of
five
states
that
permits
a
landlord
to
file
for
an
eviction
immediately
upon
nonpayment
of
rent.
This
leaves
tenants
and
their
families
in
a
precarious
position,
particularly
during
a
health
crisis
that
has
created
substantial
economic
uncertainty
in
athens.
Almost
75
of
evictions
filed
in
2021,
were
due
to
non-payment.
H
H
Landlords
still
have
the
ability
to
evict
tenants
for
other
reasons,
such
as
property
damage
or
unauthorized
animals.
Landlords
also
still
have
the
ability
to
charge
reasonable
late
fees
when
tenants
fail
to
pay
on
time.
Pay
to
stay
thus
ensures
housing
stability
for
families,
while
landlords
receive
the
money
necessary
to
operate
without
the
loss
of
income
through
an
eviction
and
re-rental
process.
At
least
12
other
ohio
municipalities
have
already
passed.
Pay-To-State
ordinances
of
these
12
11
are
charter
cities
and
one
newburgh
heights
is
a
statutory
village.
H
United
athens
county
tenants,
along
with
the
undersigned
organizations,
implores
the
city
council,
to
enact
a
similar
ordinance
as
soon
as
possible
and
just
for
reference
again.
That's
equality,
ohio,
hocking,
athens,
perry,
community
action
program,
better
known
as
have
cap.
My
sister's
place,
ohio
poverty
law
center,
southeastern
ohio,
chapter
of
the
national
lawyers
guild,
this
fiber
advocacy
outreach
program
and
the
united
athens
county
tenants,
and
thank
you
so
much
for
listening
to
this
letter,
and
we
appreciate
you
taking
this
comment.
A
B
Yeah,
I
was
just
gonna
say
that
in
the
in
the
toledo
ordinance,
provided
they
do
exactly
that
1770.06,
reasonable
late
fees,
no
landlord
may
charge
a
tenant
late
fees
that
are
not
reasonable.
Late
fees
to
be
reasonably
fees.
Total
amount
of
the
slate
payment
fee
for
any
month
may
not
exceed
the
larger
of
twenty
five
dollars
or
five
percent
of
the
monthly
contract.
A
Yeah,
so
that
is
a
possibility.
Okay,
great
council
member
swine.
I
Picking
up
on
that,
in
fact,
on
page
four
of
the
documents
that
they
provided,
it
lists
all
the
cities
and
the
late
fees,
the
vast
majority,
it's
either
25
or
5
of
the
monthly
rent
rent
and
that's
all
the
cities
on
here.
So
it's
obviously
legal
because
it's
being
practiced
in
a
lot
of
places.
A
I
You
just
to
proceed
so
the
question
was
asked
earlier:
was
this
run
by
the
law
director?
We
know
that
it
was
customarily
we
have
committee
tonight,
and
this
would
come
up
for
first
reading
at
our
next
meeting
since
you're,
leading
the
the
charge
on
this
is
that
something
that
you
can
get
with
lisa
on
in
terms
of
I'm
looking
to
bend,
I.
A
N
Thank
you,
president
knightley.
We
have
just
two
items
on
our
city
and
safety
services
committee
agenda
this
evening,
and
the
first
relief
will
be
brief.
Just
an
update
that
the
new
fire
headquarters
is
now
ready
to
move
into
authorization
for
final
design.
I
will
just
pause
to
ask
if
the
mayor
has
anything
to
add
to
that,
but
I
believe
we're
just
moving
forward
with
the
project
and
we'll
be
talking
about
that
at
our
next
meeting.
F
You
know
the
only
thing
to
add,
and
I
was
I
meant
to
get
a
hold
of
scott
thompson
earlier
today.
There's
a
really
interesting,
fly-through
video
that's
been
created
that
shows
the
the
inside
of
the
new
fire
station,
what
it
would
look
like
the
community
room
that
will
be
used
for
training
but
also
community
events,
and
so
maybe
by
the
next
council
meeting.
We
can
have
scott
tee
that
up
and
at
least
let
the
viewing
audience
see
the
inside
of
the
building
but
other
than
let's
just
moving
forward
with
final
design.
D
I
F
This
will
be
for
for
the
detailed
designs,
the
final
design,
because
that
hasn't
been
done
yet:
okay,
okay,
yeah,
that's
always
the
last
leg
in
the
design
where
they
get
in-
and
this
is
you
know,
the
designing
of
the
duct
work,
the
designing
of
any
oh
another,
video,
okay,
competing
audience
is
watching
it
as
we
speak.
Thank
you,
scott.
F
A
I
Member
spunk
so,
mr
mayor,
if
it's
without
getting
in
the
weeds
today,
that
would
have
been
very
impressive.
If
someone
wanted
to
offer
comment
on
on
the
design,
what
would
be
the
best
way
to
do
that.
F
I
would
suggest
reaching
out
to
sully
alba
the
director
for
engineering
and
public
works,
because
it
will
be,
I
think,
code
will
certainly
not
code.
Epw
will
have
some
say
also
reaching
out
to
the
fire
chief
bob
reimer.
F
I
Reason
I
ask
is-
and
dr
patterson
mrs
patterson
may
have
mentioned
this
to
you
when
we
designed
the
city
school
buildings.
Unfortunately,
we
did
not
design
them
in
such
a
way
that
the
gyms
are
only
are
accessible
from
the
outside
to
use
the
gyms.
Now
we
have
to
have
school
personnel
on
site
to
do
that,
and
I'm
just
wondering
that
so,
yes,
I'll
dress
up
with
the
chief
rhymer.
Thank
you.
You're
welcome.
N
Other
council
members,
council
members,
gilmez.
M
K
Councilman,
thank
you,
member
carrie,
just
just
it's
because
you
know
people
can
see
this
and
people
are
watching
just
to
plug
a
few
questions
before
they
get
asked
because
having
been
a
paramedic
in
the
past,
I've
spent
a
lot
of
time
in
a
lot
of
firehouses
and
I've
heard
a
lot
of
the
same
complaints
from
people
who
don't
necessarily
just
have
a
full
understanding
of
how
a
fire
station
actually
works
a
lot
of
times.
People
complain,
they'll,
say:
oh,
the
kitchen
is
so
big.
K
Why
do
they
have
all
those
different
refrigerators?
And
it's
because
there
are
three
unit
days,
there's
unit
one
two
and
three
for
your
different
crews
and
each
one
has
their
own
fridge.
So
you
need
to
have
food
storage
for
each
individual
ship,
so
they're
not
sharing
and
getting
everything
mixed
up.
Two
there's
a
lot
of
times.
K
People
say:
oh,
how
come
there's
all
these
extra
rooms
between
other
rooms
and
it's
it's
a
problem
that
we
currently
have
in
our
current
station,
unfortunately,
where
they
are
having
to
sleep
directly
off
of
where
the
trucks
are
stored
and
you
have
to
deal
with
exhaust
fumes.
So
what
you
can
you
can
see
in
the
fly
through
there
there's
double
doors
and
you
go
through
one
close.
They
go
through
the
other
to
prevent
any
kind
of
carcinogen
and
stuff
coming
in
to
the
firefighters,
while
they're
at
work.
K
Cancer
is
one
of
the
single
biggest
killers
of
firefighters
in
the
nation,
and
so
anything
we
can
do
steps
like
that
to
prevent
those
kinds
of
health
issues
for
them
with
them
already
having
such
a
dangerous
job
is
great.
This
is
a
great
looking
station.
Quite
honestly,
I've
been
in
a
lot
of
stations
in
columbus
and
lancaster,
and
in
zanesville
this
looks
awesome.
I
mean
there's
like
hats
off
to
the
design
crew
for
this,
because
this
is
a
genuinely
gorgeous
station.
K
I
know
any
number
of
people
that
I've
worked
with
in
the
past
and
myself
included
would
love
to
work
in
there.
So
thank
you
for
putting
in
the
time
and
effort
to
those
folks
who
have
done
that.
N
F
F
Like
the
the
the
clock
tower
you
know,
would
it
be
nice
to
have
this
or
not,
and
it
certainly
adds
to
kind
of
the
nature
of
athens
to
have
you
know
the
little
features
like
that
which
will
make
it
nice
plus
again
the
community
room
is
great
because
it's
it's
always
good
to
have
a
community
event
space,
that's
embedded
in
a
neighborhood
which
this
one
would
be
sitting
right
on
the
border
on
the
edge
of
a
neighborhood,
the
nearest
neighborhood.
N
Thank
you,
mr
mayor,
just
two
other
things
that
have
come
up
previously.
That
might
still
raise
questions
as
council
members
have
started
to
preemptively
answer.
I'm
curious
about
the
concerns
over
neighborhood
sound,
the
need
for
sound
barrier,
and
this
also
kind
of
ties
into
council
member
reisner's
suggestion
that
we
be
conscientious
from
the
beginning
about
opportunities
for
community
art.
So
I'm
just
putting
that
in
the
context
of
this
design
conversation
as
things
go
forward
and
we
think
about
the
input
we've
already
received
from
community
members,
but
also
kind
of
that.
N
Those
frequently
asked
questions
like
what
is
the
policy
for
when
the
siren
comes
on
and
are
there
any
architectural
factors
that
are
intended
to
help
with
the
noise
concerns?
But
I
think
we'll
have
those
opportunities
to
ask
questions
as
things
move
forward
right,
council
members
feel
nest.
M
Yeah,
I
do
want
to
address
the
noise
issue
because
councilmember
swank
and
I
had
a
tour
and
talked
to
chief
reimer
and
he
said
well,
you
know
we
only
turn
the
sirens
on
when
there's
traffic.
M
It's
not
for
you
know
our
entertainment
here
so
because
of
where
it
comes
out
onto
simpson
and
probably
mostly
in
the
evenings.
There's
not
that
much,
not
that
much
traffic
there.
So
unless
there's
traffic
they're
not
going
to
turn
it
on
because
there's
not
really
a
need
to.
B
Well,
thank
you
mccary
I'll,
just
add
another
piece
that
I've
heard,
which
is
concern
about
people
coming
off
of
the
highway
at
a
high
rate
of
speed
and
some
interactions
with
the
fire
personnel
coming
out
of
the
fire
station.
B
I
don't
believe
that
the
entire
community
is
aware
that
odot
is,
has
a
project
to
reconfigure
the
area
to
the
east
of
the
33
overpass
over
stimson
avenue
to
actually
reconfigure
that
whole
area
and
make
it
a
roundabout.
So
there
won't
be
that
same
kind
of
speed
coming
off
of
the
highway
onto
stimson
avenue,
which
I
hope
will
alleviate
some
of
these
concerns
that
people
have.
Understandably
thank
you,
member
mccary.
N
Thank
you.
I
believe.
That
concludes
that
item.
So
we'll
move
on
to
agenda
item
number
two,
which
is
also
a
quite
brief
disposal
of
a
mower.
We
see
this
engineering
and
publix
works
is
the
area
that
needs
to
get
rid
of
a
mower.
That's
no
longer
needed
for
municipal
use
at
this
point,
but
I
imagine
that
just
means
we'll
be
looking
for
an
ordinance
at
our
next
meeting.
Is
that
right?
Okay,
thank
you
that,
oh,
I
will
ask.
Are
there
any
questions
about
the
disposal
of
the
mower
from
committee
members?
N
A
A
E
Thank
you.
Madam
president,
I
have
a
email
from
the
assistant
city,
engineer,
jessica,
dine
about
the
small
cities
program,
funding,
application.
E
E
F
Absolutely
you
know
this
road
itself
has
a
really
wide
right-of-way,
and
so
it
gives
us
the
opportunity
under
this
grant,
to
include
some
sidewalks,
possibly
bike
lane
or
mixed
use
bike
path
of
some
type
through
that
area.
The
director
oliva
has
already
contacted
several
of
the
property
owners
down
there
and
for
a
change.
F
You
know
that's
going
gonna,
you
know
really
beckon
for
alternative
modes
of
of
commuting
through
that
area
and
we
have
the
columbus
road
bike
path
spur.
So
we
have
the
ability
to
create
more
active
transportation
and
using
that
that
columbus
road
bike
paths-
for
you
know,
especially
with
the
40
or
the
100
and
potentially
190
affordable
rental
units
that
are
going
to
be
going
in
over
at
682
and
56.
F
it.
It
also
will
lend
itself
with
equity,
of
being
able
to
commute
back
and
forth
for
someone
who
lives
there
and
maybe
working
on
columbus
road
or
at
the
new
hospital.
F
You
don't
know,
but
we
think
that
this
is
a
good
project.
Director
oliva
really
thinks
this
is
a
good
project.
I
do
too
it's
it's
the
last
gateway
into
the
city
that
we
really
haven't
put
the
needed
attention
to,
and
so
this
gives
us
that
opportunity
to
to
redo
again
our
final
major
gateway
into
the
city
of
athens,
because
you
only
get
one
first
impression.
E
F
Just
a
quick
comment:
this
is
again.
This
is
only
a
grant
that
a
city
that
is
less
than
25
000
in
population
can
apply
for
so,
if
there's
any
silver
lining
to
us
not
exceeding
25
000
with,
I
believe,
an
under
counted
city
due
to
the
pandemic
and
a
large
swath
of
our
community.
Not
here
you
know
so
we're
still
eligible
for
small
cities.