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Athens City Council - August 8, 2022
A
A
To
briefly
just
give
a
summary
these.
This
is
the
kind
of
corporation
that
was
authorized
by
the
state
in
1961
through
the
ohio
department
of
development,
and
it
allows
for
the
establishment
of
a
non-profit
corporation
for
advancing,
encouraging
and
promoting
the
industrial,
economic,
commercial
and
civic
development
of
a
community
or
area,
and
among
the
other
details
with
these
documents
that
we'll
be
looking
at
and
examining
and
placing
under
consideration.
A
We
also
would
have
a
filing
to
make
with
the
if
it's
approved
with
the
secretary
of
state
and
to
designate
the
the
statutory
agent
we
adopt
a
code
of
regulations
and
then,
if
approved,
then
we
would
begin
an
annual
reporting
period
along
with
the
other
functionings
of
the
organization.
A
The
guidelines
state
that,
if
a
community
improvement
corporation,
is
designated
for
a
municipality,
at
least
40
percent
of
the
board
must
be
elected
or
appointed
officials
of
the
political
subdivision,
and
so
that's
something
that
the
mayor
and
the
law
director
have
been
examining
and
looking
at
for
the
for
that,
and
what
this,
as
I
understand
it,
is
that
this,
this
community
improvement
corporation,
would
allow
us
to
borrow
money.
If
we
wanted
to
to
have
loans
to
buy
lease,
sell
or
real
or
personal
property,
we
could
enter
into
contracts.
A
So
this
gives
the
municipality
a
little
bit
more
flexibility,
as
we
look
at
some
economic
development
activities,
and
I
think
the
the
mayor's
specifically
thinking
of
this
in
terms
of
the
armory.
So
if,
if
you
have
additional
information,
which
I'm
sure
you
do,
then.
B
B
The
port
authority
and
the
port
authority
was
was
basically
managing
that
on
the
county
level,
the
city
was
involved
in
the
cic,
the
original
cic,
and
when
I
became
mayor
it
was
in
that
time
frame
to
where
the
through
the
athens
county
economic
development
council.
It
was
just
kind
of
being
drawn
down
and
putting
it
to
bed,
and
at
that
point
in
time
I
I
didn't
completely
understand
what
the
powers
are
that
are
associated
with
acic.
B
Today,
though,
to
stand
a
cac
back
up
again,
it
would
be
the
city
of
athens,
community
improvement,
district,
the
community
improvement
corporation
cic
can
be
a
community,
it
can
be
a
township,
it
can
be
a
county,
it
can
be
multiple
counties.
You
know
to
to
have
something
like
this.
I
see
a
lot
of
utility
in
bringing
the
cic
back
again
for
the
city
of
athens.
B
I
shared
with
council
some
time
ago
that
the
document
that
speaks
to
the
cic,
that
I
pretty
much
pulled
down
off
the
state
auditor's
office
and
hopefully
councils
had
a
chance
to
review
it
and
look
look
at
all
the
nuances.
These
are
nothing
new.
B
These
started
in
the
mid
60s
1960s
to
where
the
within
the
orc
cics
were
established,
and
basically
they
are
established
for
economic
development
using
it
as
a
mechanism
by
which
it
gives
the
local
jurisdiction
or
county
or
municipality
whatever
the
ability
to
apply
for
grants
that
a
county
city
or
township
government
cannot
apply,
for
it
gives
them
the
ability
to
acquire
property.
It
gives
them
the
ability
to
repurpose
or
divest
themselves
of
properties,
which
is
an
interesting
mechanism
unto
itself.
B
This
is
all
again
just
to
give
you
something
you
can
look
at
at
your
leisure
if
you're
having
trouble
sleeping
it's
under
orc,
1702
and
1724,
the
I'll
get
to
I'm
not
gonna,
get
too
far
into
the
weeds,
because
you've
got
all
the
reading
information
already
provided
to
you.
But
it
is
a
designated
agency
for
county
township
municipality.
B
There
has
to
be
at
least
40
percent,
who
are
elected
or
designated
to
the
cic
board,
a
minimum
of
five
maximum
of
seven
president
nicely-
and
I
have
been
thinking
this
through
with
the
law
director,
and
we
feel
that
to
constitute
reconstitute
this
and
I
looked
at
the
original
documents
and
who
served
on
the
early
cics,
which
had
county
commissioners
and
the
mayor,
and
some
other
individuals
that
are
associated
since
we're
going
to
do
municipality
is
that
it
would
be
the
mayor,
the
service
safety
director,
the
president
of
city
council,
a
city
council
member,
and
then
it
would
have
the
auditor
who
is
serving
on
the
cic
board
and
then
I'm.
B
I
would
like
to
add
two
more
individuals
to
bring
us
to
seven
to
where
they
are
individuals
in
the
business
sector.
Our
business
leaders-
I'm
not
going
to
name
them
at
this
point
in
time,
but
we're
we're
looking
at
one
who's
specific
to
where
they,
it
is
a
business
owner
for
a
minority
or
female-owned
business
here
in
the
city
of
athens
to
also
sit
on
the
cic's
board.
B
As
president
nicely
mentioned,
you
know
one
of
the
things
is,
you
know
to
use
it
for
property.
The
armory
is
something
that
we
would
like
to
have
fall
under
the
cic.
It
gives
us
the
ability
to
have
a
an
entity
that
is
not
the
city
managing
the
armory
and
the
operations.
It's
we
retain
it
as
our
building,
but
it's
under
the
cic
and
let
them
run
operations
in
there.
B
Let
them
identify
who
members
of
the
what
the
membership
would
look
like
for
anyone
who
wants
to
work
remotely
in
the
armory
if
there's
an
anchor
tenant
such
as
the
athens
county
foundation,
it
allows
this
or
this
managing
body
to
to
identify.
You
know
to
work
through
those
details
of
having
that
person
become
a
tenant
within
the
building,
but
it
also
goes
far
beyond
that
as
you're.
Well
aware.
Hopefully,
you
are
some
of
you.
B
May
not
be
we
own
the
property
at
83
columbus
road
we've
had
multiple
plans
for
what
that
could
be.
It
was
a
former
gas
station
back
in
the
day
the
city
was
was
deeded
that
property.
B
I
can't
remember
the
gas
station
bilo
or
marathon,
but
whatever
it
was
it's
irrelevant,
and
you
know
it
was.
We
had
plans
to
turn
it
into
a
park
and
ride
facility,
because
it
was
not
that
far
from
the
columbus
road
bike
path
spur,
but
it
doesn't
align
itself
well
with
the
bike
path
spur
and
it
the
cic
could
certainly
be
helpful
in
disposing
of
that
property.
The
city
would
then
have
the
cic
manage
the
property
and
divest
ourselves
of
that
property.
B
You
know
we
have
a
field
that
we're
using
out
on
us50
that
we
use
to
to
spread
our
sludge
on
for
fertilizing
the
property
and
it
was
managed
or
farmed
by
a
farmer,
but
we've
gotten
to
the
point
where
we
can
no
longer
feel
the
fly
out
there,
and
so
again.
Another
opportunity
with
the
cic
is
to
be
able
to
dispose
of
our
80
acres
or
portions
thereof,
to
no
longer
be
in
possession
of
those.
The
other
thing
with
releasing
these
properties.
It
puts
them
back
on
the
tax
rolls.
B
The
property
tax
rolls,
because
currently,
all
city
properties
and
all
university
properties,
that's
a
whole
different
story,
but
all
city
properties
are
tax-exempt
income
tax,
a
property
tax
exempt.
B
So
to
use
these
as
an
economic
use,
the
cac
is
an
economic
development
tool
that
allows
us
to
get
that
into
the
hands
of
a
developer
or
a
business
of
some
type
to
use
that
property
and
therefore
start
to
receive
property
tax.
On
that,
and
hopefully
it's
a
business
that
is
hiring
multiple
employees
which
for
us
is
going
to
you
know.
Certainly,
the
canaanville
property
will
not
do
that,
but
properties
in
the
city
that
we
could
digest
ourselves
of,
because
we
find
ourselves
no
longer
in
need
of
that
property
with
no.
B
You
know
the
cac
can
vet,
who
would
be
basically
the
best
business
to
go
in
and
repurpose
that
property
and
get
it
to
where
it
is
a
revenue
generating
parcel.
Once
again,
I'm
going
to
let
director
stone
speak
a
little
bit
more,
get
into
a
little
bit
more
detail
about
the
armory
and
the
armory
plant
right.
Thank
you,
sir.
So
in
the
army,
we
we
do.
C
Private
marksmanship
and
you
have
a
qualification
tables,
and
you
have
like
the
300
meter
target
the
250
meter
target
the
200
rear
target
and
then
there's
the
50
meter
tower.
So
the
50
meter
target
is
a
term
that
we
use
often
when
we
talk
about
the
most
urgent
problem.
C
So
the
50
meter
target
for
the
armory
is
the
potential
to
apply
for
historic
preservation,
tax
credits,
and
so
our
strategy
right
now
to
get
us
across
the
finish
line
with
our
with
our
capital
stack
that
we're
building
for
this
three
and
a
half
million
dollar
armory
renovation
project
is
to
get
access
to
the
ohio
builds
money
which
many
of
you
have
heard
that
you
know.
Governor
dwight
made
the
announcement
about
this
money.
C
That's
going
to
go
to
appalachia
and
there's
an
early
implementation
round,
and
we
think
that
we
will
be
fairly
competitive
with
the
armory
project
going
after
this
ohio
builds
money
but
because
I
believe
in
redundancy
we
have
a
a
parallel
path
to
to
come
up
with
a
plan
b.
If
that
ohio
builds
allocation,
doesn't
come
in
time
or
falls
through
or
we're
not
competitive.
Or
what
have
you
and
and
that
approach
is
historic
preservation,
tax
credits?
C
So,
as
the
mayor
mentioned,
you
know,
cities
don't
pay
property
taxes,
they
don't
pay
income
taxes
as
entities,
but
there
is
a
significant
amount
of
money
out
there
at
both
the
federal
and
state
level
to
utilize
tax
credits,
state
tax
credits
and
federal
tax
credits
for
renovation
of
historic
buildings.
Cities
are
not
eligible
to
apply
for
historic
preservation,
tax
credits
because
they
don't
have
a
tax
liability.
C
Tax
credits
can
be
realized,
so
the
next
round
to
apply
for
historic
preservation,
tax
credits
at
the
state
level
and
then,
ultimately,
you
apply
at
the
federal
level
at
the
same
time
begins
in
january,
and
so
my
goal
would
be
if
we
fail
at
the
ohio
builds
ask
which
is
my
preference,
because
of
how
historic
preservation,
tax
credits
rather
are
complicated
would
be
to
try
to
have
everything
in
place
and
then
ask
you
to
place
the
armory
into
the
cit
so
that
we
can
make
that
initial
application
in
january
again,
not
not
the
not
the
plan
a
but
that's.
A
Okay
and-
and
I
think
the
cic
I
hear
what
you're
saying
is
that
that's
there
as
kind
of
a
backup
plan,
but
that's
also,
I
think
it's
good
possible
measure
for
us
long
term,
because.
C
It'll
offer
lots
of
possibilities.
This
is
not
yeah.
This,
I'm
sorry,
president
nicely.
This
is
not
purely
for
the
armor
yeah.
This
is
a
great
benefit
for
the
city
in
the
long
term
as
a
flexible
tool
to
do
economic
development.
That
said,
the
urgency,
at
least
in
my
perspective,
is
related
to
that
particular
project
and
trying
to
as
as
we're,
pulling
all
the
capital
side
together
and
distract
why
the
iron's
hot
on
on
getting
that
project
across
the
finish
line.
So
that's
my
that's
my
plan
b.
D
Thank
you,
president
nicely
I'm
curious
about
the
relationship
between
blue
dot
co-working
and
the
cic
for
the
for
the
army.
Let's
talk
about
the
armory
blue
dot.
Co-Working
is
going
to
create
a
remote
space
business.
Basically
within
the
armory,
the
cic
they
would
report
to
the
direct.
The
cic
board
of
directors
is
that
they.
C
Would
lease
from
the
cic
so
as
it
stands
now
as
a
city?
If
we
would
like
to
lease
the
armory,
we
could
lease
it
to
blue
die
co-working
if
we
advertise
in
the
newspaper
for
five
weeks
and
take
the
highest
and
best
bid
for
leases
and
and
hope
keep
our
fingers
crossed,
that
blue
dot
provides
the
highest
and
best
bid,
but
understanding
that
that
is
a
that
is
a
risk
that
we
run
into
as
a
city,
because
cities
are
constrained
under
those
rules
associated
with
leasing,
property
you'll
just
get
a
pick.
C
E
D
D
So
then,
I
wonder
how
that
gets
in
you
know
if
you've
got
the
municipality
really
deciding
on
behalf
of
the
cic.
I
just
it's
an
interesting
relationship
and
if
and
if
the
state
has
figured
it
out
where
this
all
works,
I'm
all
for
it.
But
it's
interesting
that
you
really
could
be
the
municipality
in
the
name
of
the
cic,
choosing
blue
dot
co-working,
for
example.
If
you
want.
B
Well,
there's
yeah,
there's
a
couple
things
and
I,
as
I
indicated
you
know,
there's
at
least
two
of
the
branches
of
government
who
would
be
on
the
cac
board
for
checks
and
balances
to
include
the
auditor,
and
then
it
would
be,
as
I
had
to
mention
two
individuals
who
are
business
leaders
here
in
the
city
of
athens,
who
have
nothing
to
do
with
the
electorate
or
well
they're
elected.
But
they
don't
have
anything
to
do
with
with
the
decision
making
on
daily
basis
within
the
city
of
athens,
but
advising
as
well
so
and.
D
F
When
I
got
this
over
the
weekend,
I
read
through
it
and
it
was
nice
that
when
it
was
in
a
lay
person's
terms,
it
was
very
easy
to
understand
and
made
a
lot
of
sense
and
that
I
thought
was
a
very
good
document
and
a
very
good
plan.
F
Lord
knows
we
need
to
diversify
our
economy
here
in
athens
right
now.
We
basically
rely
on
the
three
b's
beverages
books
and
beds,
whether
that
be
rental
property
or
the
beds
in
the
in
the
hospital.
We
have
to
diversify
that,
but
in
looking
at
this
51.01.02
as
proposed
the
board
the
makeup
of
the
board,
I
I
would
offer
a
an
additional
possibility-
and
this
is
based
on
some
experience
working
with
the
athens
city
schools.
F
F
There
were
five
appointed
members
by
the
board
of
education
and
dr
gibbs
made
it
such
that
anyone
could
actually
sit
and
participate
at
the
table,
couldn't
vote
but
participate,
and
one
of
the
things
I
think
we
found
is
that
we
needed
to
have
a
greater
diversity
of
business
people
at
the
table
and
in
looking
at
this
I
was
thinking.
Perhaps
nine
might
be
a
better
number
now
I
checked
and
there
really
are
no
limits.
F
In
fact,
it
said
that
in
one
of
the
documents
it
could
be
as
many
people
as
you
wanted
and
in
my
mind
those
nine
people
would
be
most
of
the
people.
You've
listed
so
far,
obviously
number
one,
the
mayor,
the
president
of
athens
city
council,
the
auditor,
in
addition,
the
mayor's
appointee
from
the
city
administration
and
a
member
of
the
city
council.
So
that
would
be
five.
F
The
other
four
would
be
business
leaders
in
the
community
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
found
in
the
athens
city,
schools,
business
advisory
committee-
is
that
we
have
many
industry
categories
in
town
and
when
looking
at
this,
the
four
that
I
would
throw
out
as
a
possibility
would
fault
would
be
these
in
no
particular
order.
Hospitality
in
the
service
industry,
manufacturing,
health
care
and
retail
and,
of
course,
within
any
of
those
four,
could
certainly
do
as
the
mayor
mentioned,
and
I
think
that's
a
great
idea-
minority
or
a
female
owned
business.
F
However,
we
want
to
structure
that,
but
by
getting
four
different
areas,
I
think
we
get
a
greater
cross-section
than
we
would
with
just
two
people
from
the
business
community.
We
haven't
gone
to
first
reading,
yet
so
something
I
just
throw
out
for
your
consideration
as
you
develop
this
and
bring
this
to
council
for
first
reading.
B
And
I
my
experience
on
serving
on
the
county
economic
development
board
that
that
becomes
a
challenge
and
that's
a
board
of
seven
individuals.
So
it's
I
hear
you're
saying
I
mean
we
can
certainly
change
the
structure
as
we
move
forward.
If
we
find
that
yes,
we
probably
should
have
two
additional
individuals
to
keep
it
at
an
odd
number.
We
can
explore
that.
So
this
is
a
document
in
flux
that
we
can
change
over
time.
B
You
know,
as
we
get
our
feet
under
us
and
figure
out
how
we're
going
to
be
able
to
use
a
tool
such
as
this,
which
again
I
find
vitally
important
to
the
city
at
this
point
in
time.
I
don't
disagree
with
your
comment
about
economic
development
and
how
we
have
hitched
our
wagon
to
one
entity
in
particular
for
220
years
and
as
we're
we're
looking
to
expand.
We
do
need
to
continually
look
at
our
economic
development
portfolio
so
that
we
are
better
diversified
when
it
comes
to
ed.
A
C
An
opportunity
to
establish
in
the
in
the
establishing
legislation,
both
a
minimum
and
maximum
number
of
participants,
so
that
if
there
were
vacancies
that
you
can
still
have
a
quorum
based
upon
a
lesser
number
being
appointed
at
the
time,
so
that,
like,
for
instance,
if
there
was
a
situation,
whether
the
council
member
was
vacant
or
one
of
the
personnel
or
two,
the
personnel
that
were
business
member
business
community
members
were
vacant
while
we're
in
between
people
that
it
can
still
function
with
a
lesser
number
and
that
quorum
would
be
lesser
based
on
that
time.
C
So
I
think
there's
some
potential
to
do
that
and
not
run
into
the
problem.
Okay,
thank.
B
The
funding
can
come
from
a
number
of
places.
There's
a
one
of
the
slides
that
you've
got
in
your
deck.
You
know
speaks
to
funding.
It
can
be
grants
that
the
city
might
not
be
eligible
for
it
could
come
from
general
fund.
It
could
also
come
from
the
sales
of
properties
that
make
the
cdc
give
the
cdc
the
power
to
where
if
the
board
feels
hey,
there's
a
parcel
of
land
over
here
that
might
be
nice
for
the
cic
to
own.
B
B
I'm
constantly
frustrated
yet
optimistic
that
the
opportunity
zone
that
we
have
in
the
city-
and
we
have
two
one
of
them-
is
the
basically
the
entire
length
of
well.
I
should
say
the
entire
length,
that's
a
good
chunk
of
the
east
state
street
and
then
the
other
is
the
stimson
avenue
corridor
to
include
a
lot
of
the
properties
that
are
on
the
south,
green
believe
it
or
not,
because
they're
within
that
census
track
that
has
been
designated
as
an
opportunity
zone.
B
Simpson
has
been
one
of
those
portions
of
the
the
opportunity
zone
that
cac
might
be
really
helpful,
with
being
able
to
advance
some
properties
that
could
be
redeveloped
or
new
proper
existing
properties
to
where
it
is
completely
redeveloped,
where
there's
new
structures
going
up
old
ones
going
away
and
new
ones
coming
up
in
their
place.
B
So
the
cac
gives
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
leeway
in
being
able
to
do
that
and
again
with
the
funding
that
they
can
generate,
which
is
an
interesting
mechanism
unto
itself
not
unlike
the
land
bank
or
the
land
banks.
Revenue
we've
seen
since
its
existence
has
really
increased
their
revenue
through
funding.
That's
exist
at
the
state
or
federal
level,
but
also
with
the
transfer
of
properties
that
were
dilapidated
and
then
put
back
out
on
the
market
again
and
resold
and
repurposed.
G
Well,
well,
you
think
about
it.
This
is
a
not-for-profit
corporation.
I
mean
it
is
separate
from
the
city,
it's
separate
from
being
mayor,
you're
now
on
a
board
running
an
organization,
and
so
it's
not
unheard
of
for
members
of
of
a
board
who
work
for
not-for-profits
to
be
compensated
in
some
way.
G
G
Okay,
my
my
other
question
is:
it
seems
that
the
way
that
things
are
are
right
now
and
probably
because
there's
not
a
whole
lot
to
do.
The
board
is
essentially
doing
all
the
work
applying
for
the
grants
making
the
phone
calls
knocking
on
the
doors
trying
to
find
tenants
and
opportunities,
and
so
on.
B
B
That
is,
is
managing
everything
through
this
you
know
being
received
through
the
cic
or
property
management.
B
We
can
certainly
explore
that
I'd
have
to
dig
back
into
the
orc
and
see
if
revenue
generated
can
you
know,
be
used
partially
to
fund
individuals
to
to
work
for
the
cic
I'll,
probably
also
council
memberize
their
look
at
other
municipalities
in
the
state
of
ohio
to
see
that
have
a
csc
there's
300
of
these
by
the
way,
okay
to
see,
if
there's
other
municipalities
or
counties
that
have
stood
these
up
and
that
they
have
paid
staff
that
are
doing
the
day-to-day
operations
I'll,
probably
target
the
more
successful
ones.
G
A
A
That
was
a
transfer
of
a
permit
from
within
the
city,
and
we
thought
it
would
be
just
an
opportune
moment
to
to
review
some
of
the
regulations
as
we
understand
and
know
them,
and
to
see
if
there
are
any
other
questions
that
we
could
answer
and
if
not,
we
also
have
the
resource
of
being
able
to
call
the
the
department
of
development,
the
ohio
division
of
liquor
control
to
ask
them
further.
A
When
we
get
these
licenses,
we
have
a
certain
number
of
days
to
respond.
If
we
have
concerns
or
we
want
to
object
to
the
permits,
we
have
done
that
in
the
past.
The
most
recent
in
the
near
past
was
actually
back,
probably
in
2015,
when
we
had
the
chipotle
liquor,
control,
applicator
application,
and
our
argument
was
made
that
the
area
in
the
uptown
was
already
saturated
and
it
was
within
close
proximity
to
a
school
and
it
was.
A
A
It's
a
larger
city
number
two,
it's
a
it's
also
a
situation
where
they
might
have
been
able
to
see
that
there
was
a
fight
that
occurred
in
the
in
the
actual
place
or
other
difficulties
that
have
happened,
and
those
are
sometimes
the
reasons
for
review
or
withdrawal
of
liquor
permits,
and
these
in
this
case,
the
applications.
I
know
the
other
thing
that's
sometimes
a
concern
is
how
many
we
have
what
our
quota
is,
and
so
I
did
learn
a
little
bit
today
in
talking
with
the
division
of
liquor,
control
that
they
look.
A
If,
at
the
top
of
the
permits,
the
one
I
printed
out
for
council
members
shows
the
population
right
now
that
they're
basing
this
on
is
23
849..
So
there
are
24
total.
There
are
24
permits
in
the
c1
and
c2
and
then
the
other
ones
drop
down
to
12
apiece,
and
it's
always
kind
of
puzzled.
Me
is
like
well.
A
Why
are
we
one
over
or
two
over
or
three
over
and
if
you
go
back
historically
to
I
went
back
to
some
of
the
printouts
that
I
had
and
discussed
it
with
the
the
liquor
control
staff
person
today
and
she
says:
well,
the
population
fluctuates
number
one.
So
there
were
times
when
our
the
population
on
which
they
based
our
number
of
permits,
was
26
000,
and
so
we
had
26
liquor
permits
for
the
c1
and
c2
and
then
and
then
13
for
the
others.
A
Those
have
all
become
part
of
these
quotas
in
these
different
aggregate
levels.
So
I
wanted
to
take
a
moment
to
see
if
there
were
other
questions.
I
know
that
council
member
swank
had
a
few
questions
about
ohio
university
and
the
athena
cinema,
and
perhaps
what
some
of
their
plans
were.
I
did
not
get
a
copy
of
that
full
application.
I
will
have
to
admit.
A
F
These
permits
get
sold
in
their
six
figure
contracts
and
and
getting
higher
every
day
is
to
encourage
lee
to
provide
for
facilitate
whatever
word
you
want
to
use
economic
development,
such
as
a
new
restaurant
coming
to
town,
and
all
of
that,
the
first
question
I
had
in
regards
to
the
one
for
the
athena
is:
do
we
have
any
idea
who
tranquil
tranquil
lady
is,
in
other
words
the
people
behind
the
business.
B
B
And
you
know
liquor
control
has
to
say
where
that
who
the
previous
permit
holder
was
right
and
in
whitehall
that's
who
that
particular
you
know
owner
was
of
that,
and
I
I
don't
believe
they
will
give
you
the
history
either
if
that,
if
that
liquor
event
had
been
removed
from
that
you
know
some
barn
or
something
as
council.
Member
for
president
knightley
was
indicating
you
know.
B
The
owner
of
that
permit
was
in
that
pool,
and
so
there's
no
relation
well,
I
spoke
to
matthew,
shaftel
dean
shaftel
earlier
today
for
the
dean
of
fine
arts,
and
he
indicated
that
we
don't
know
who
this
person
is.
There's
no
relationship
there
not
to
get
ahead
of
you,
but
you
did
have
another
question
that
was
about.
You
know
whether
it's
is
alcohol
going
to
be
served
during
g
and
pg
movies
and
what
I
can
tell
you,
because
you
know
I
asked.
B
Gonna
start
serving
there
when
you're
playing
101
dalmatians
during
the
afternoon
matinee,
and
he
said
absolutely
not.
Although
to
your
question,
if
you
look
at
the
the
ratings
of
the
movies,
if
they're
rated
that
come
through
the
athens
international
film
and
video
festival,
a
lot
of
them
are
pg
movies.
There's
also.
B
You
know
evening
at
the
met
that
is
shown
at
the
athena,
and
so
what
matthew
indicated
to
me
is
that
you
know:
we've
got
a
lot
of
citizens
who
would
love
to
have
a
glass
of
wine
while
they're
watching
listening
to
music
at
the
mat
or
watching
something
at
the
athens
arts
and
music
festival.
H
F
Another
quick
question-
and
I
appreciate
that
answer
that
that
clarifies
a
lot
of
things.
Another
question
is-
and
I
think
you
may
have
said
this,
but
I
think
I've
missed
it
too.
Would
this
be
for
on-premise
consumption
only
or
for
carryout.
B
F
A
F
But
I
carry
out,
I
mean
not
buy
it
there
and
carry
it
out,
but
as
you
would,
a
beverage
store
a
drive-through
drive
and
that
concerns
me
a
little
bit
on
several
levels,
because
if
it's,
if
it's
a
place,
that
you
can
walk
into,
buy
a
bottle
of
wine,
buy
a
six-pack
of
beer
or
a
case
of
natural
light
and
and
take
it
with
you.
That
concerns
me
a
bit
for
several
reasons:
number
one,
some
of
the
things
you
mentioned
before,
where
it
is
in
relation
to
a
school
and
to
a
church.
F
F
F
You
know
I'd
like
to
sit
down
and
watch
gone
with
the
wind,
all
four
hours
of
it
and
have
a
nice
cold
beer,
a
glass
of
wine
or
a
mint
julep
or
whatever
the
case
might
be,
but
but
the
thought
of
not
only
that
being
a
movie
theater,
but
people
walking
in
and
out
buying
cases
of
beer
troubles
me
a
bit
and
the
way
this.
I
think
president
isaiah
read
this,
that
you
could
do
that.
F
But
this
would
allow
them
just
for
the
painting.
This
would
give
them
the
permission
to
do
it,
though,
if
they
change
their
their
their
tune
down
the
road,
and-
and
for
that
reason
I
I
would
be
very
much
in
favor
of
getting
a
little
more
information.
If
that
necessitates
a
hearing,
you
know
having
a
hearing
again.
F
I
don't
oppose
this
by
any
means,
but
if
that
is
a
component
part
of
it,
I
have
some
concerns
and
and
terry
and
I
are
members
of
the
you
know
we
we
we
join
every
year
and
and
it's
it's
our
theater
as
everybody
else
is
after
I
go
back
to
when
it
was
one
theater
and
it's
a
valuable
asset
in
our
community.
F
But
I
would
have
a
little
concerned
and
I've
talked
with
others
over
the
weekend
about
this
of
it.
Turning
and
not
turning
into,
but
also
being
a
carryout.
B
Again,
if
I
may,
you
know,
I
think
the
the
best
thing
to
do
is
to
be
to
speak
directly
to
dean
shaptal,
about
that.
I've
sat
through
a
liquor
permit
hearing
review
case
right
here
in
council
chambers,
they're
extremely
expensive,
because
you've
got
a
you
know
the
the
chipotle
had
to
bring
their
liquor
control
lawyer
who
had
to
sit
here.
We
ended
up
losing
that
case
for
trying
to
deny
a
liquor
permit
at
chipotle
when
they
wanted
to
have.
B
You
know
daiquiris
and
margaritas
and
whatever
being
sold
there,
and
I
remember
vividly
their
lawyer,
you
know
saying
they
were
saying
this
is
costing
my
client
a
whole
lot
of
money
and
orc
liquor
control
is
going
to
end
up
they're
looking
to
generate
revenue.
They're
going
to
you
know
your
likelihood
of.
If,
if
there
wasn't
anything
egregious
that
has
taken
place
within
that
establishment,
you
know
your
chances
for
having
to
go
through
is
winning.
That
case
are
extremely
slim.
F
B
B
A
An
informal
kind
of
conversation
with
the
dean-
I
mean
it's
no
guarantee
that
that
you
know
the
dean's
going
to
be
there
35
years
from
now,
and
something
could
shift.
H
A
But
I
think
if
we
have,
you
know
a
conversation
that
that
would
be
far
more
productive
than
trying
to
do
the
the
hearing.
That's
right,
based
on
our
experience,
council
member
eisner.
G
I'm
trying
to
remember
my
my
brain
doesn't
work
as
well
as
it
used
to,
but
then
we
have
a
sort
of
a
similar
situation,
discussion
argument
when
fluff
bakery
wanted
to
start
selling
alcohol
along
with
their
bagels.
We.
B
B
G
E
Thank
you,
president.
I
said
one
briefing
just
to
address
one
of
members:
mike's
questions
through
a
quick
rabbit,
hole
dive
into
google
sitting
up
here.
A
tranquil
lady
is
a
failed
restaurant
in
whitehall
ohio.
So
I
assume
it's
someone
who's
trying
to
make
some
money
back
and
sell
off
their
liquor.
Permit
thanks.
A
Okay
and
were
there,
are
there
any
other
questions
or
comments
about
this
agenda?
Item?
Okay,
if
not.
Thank
you
for
the
discussion.
Thanks
for
the
questions,
I
learned,
I'm
always
learning
something.
I
learned
something
today
about
quotas,
so
I
appreciate
that
all
right.
Our
next
committee
is
transportation,
and
that
is
council
member
reisner,
as
chair
council
members,
grace
ziff
and
swank,
and
then
joining
us
on
the
deus
tonight
will
be
council
member
spielness,
because
she
has
the
update
for
us
on
the
ad
hoc
committee
on
pedestrian
accessibility.
G
A
H
H
Did
I
hit
something?
We've
actually
done
a
lot
so,
and
I
just
want
to
review
who's
on
the
committee
real
quick
before
I
start.
Diane
bouvier
is
the
chair
and
the
disability
commission
representative
rob
delegate.
This
is
an
alphabetical
order
by
the
way
rob
delac
is
our
community
representative,
steve
patterson.
Our
mayor
is
also
on
the
committee.
H
H
It's
a
it's
something
that
our
committee,
actually
with
with
a
lot
of
discussion,
came
up
with
based
on
a
lot
of
other
research
from
other
communities,
and
it
refers
to
safety,
proximity,
accessibility,
connection
and
ease
that
provides
us
with
an
overview
of
all
the
issues
that
we
think
are
important
in
terms
of
pedestrian
accessibility
and
helped
us
cut
to
come
up
with
questions
for
the
survey
okay.
So
the
committee
met
with
david
riggs
director
of
code
enforcement,
as
you
know,
about
enforcement
processes
related
to
sidewalk
improvements.
H
You
know
things
like
snow
and
all
those
things
that
you're
familiar
with.
We
requested
and
received
legal
information
from
law
director
eliason,
who
provided
us
with
a
number
of
preliminary
answers
to
issues
that
we're
concerned
with,
and
we're
going
to
pursue
more
along
those
lines
requested
and
received.
H
We
requested
and
received
information
regarding
the
data,
so
we
developed
a
data
gathering
plan
and
we
developed
a
strategy
for
gathering
representative
sample
information
from
the
community
to
get
input
because
we
wanted
to
make
this
as
comprehensive
as
possible.
So
we
have
targeted
focus
groups.
We
had
the
survey
we
we're
talking
to
members
of
the
administration
and
looking
at
research
from
around
the
country
in
ohio
to
see
what
seems
to
be
best
practices.
H
We
developed
a
communication
plan
to
let
people
know
what
we
were
doing
to
encourage
input
with
the
local
tv
sources,
social
media,
direct
email
to
local
organizations
we
distributed.
If
you
haven't
seen
it
already,
which
I
think
all
of
you
have
the
qr
code
on
the
city,
utility
bills,
pop-up
events
at
the
donkey.
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
donkey
and
other
places
to
discuss
the
project.
H
We
developed
a
flyer
to
solicit
support
from
the
athens
city
commission
on
disabilities
because
they
had
events,
so
we
wanted
to,
of
course
include
them
in
the
process.
Community
survey,
as
I
mentioned,
we
developed
a
pilot
and
launched
the
community
survey
and
that's
been
opened
from
july
1st
and
we're
going
to
extend
it
to
august
31st.
We
don't
have
that
many
students,
yet
so
we're
trying
to
target
students
right
now,
but
we've
done
a
pretty
good
job
of
getting
and
right
now.
Just
so.
If
you're
curious.
H
H
H
So
the
next
quarter
we're
going
to
analyze
the
qualitative,
quantitative
and
qualitative
survey
data
do
some
more
focus
groups,
as
I
had
have
mentioned,
and
then
we're
going
to
focus
on
budget
and
legal
issues
related
to
pedestrian
accessibility.
So
our
next
update
will
be
october
24th
and
by
then
we
should
be
pretty
close
to
having
a
another
draft
of
our
reports
to
to
discuss.
So
any
questions.
H
G
G
Anyway,
as
part
of
your
data
gathering
right,
what
kind
of
data
are
you
I,
I
see
how
to
phrase
it.
What
types
of
data
are
you
collecting?
Is
it
text
data
someone
writes
about
something
or
the
survey
photographs
or
everything.
G
G
H
Be
very
impressed
with
the
extent
of
information
we
have
on
there,
so
we
will
be
able
to
prioritize
per
the
request
from
administration
prioritize,
which
are
the
worst
places
and
we'll
be
able
to
talk
about
funding
issues,
options,
and
we
also,
quite
frankly,
want
to
encourage
a
more
pedestrian
friendly
community,
which
we
are
pretty
much.
But
perhaps
we
can
expand
on
that
and
that's
sort
of
a
principle
that
we
feel
pretty
pretty
strongly
about.
D
So
I
don't
know
remember
to
be
honest
if
you
have
an
answer
to
this
question,
but
it
just
came
up
to
me
recently
and
I
thought
I'd
ask
you.
As
now
a
sidewalk
expert.
D
I
was
contacted
by
a
citizen
in
my
ward,
who
noticed
that
there
would
be
some
construction
or
some
repair
work
of
this
of
the
storm
sewer
in
the
street
and
they
wanted
me
to
look
at
their
property
because
they
think
there
might
be
a
connection
to
the
sidewalk
in
front
of
their
home
and
at
first
I
thought
of
the
street,
and
I
thought
I
don't
think
there
are
sidewalks
on
that
street.
But
sure
enough.
I
went
and
there's
a
stretch
of
about
30
feet
of
sidewalk
just
in
front
of
this
home.
D
D
H
On
the
west
side,
where
I
won't
tell
you
a
street
because
I
don't
reveal
the
person's
name
but-
and
they
came
to
me
and
said
well,
it's
a
long
story,
but
they
ended
up
getting
rid
of
the
sidewalk
because
they
did
not
want
to
maintain
it.
And
there
was
no
purpose
because
it
didn't
connect
anywhere
and
there
were
some
other
flooding
issues.
Anyways
long
story
and
the
city
has
been
very
good
about
taking
care
of
that.
But
I'm
sure
because
he
didn't
put
in
the
sidewalk.
It
was
there
when
he
bought
the
house.
H
F
F
I
got
a
call
from
a
resident
in
sam's
war
ii
about
their
sidewalk
and
the
big
issue
is
it's
going
to
need
to
be
replaced
when
in
your
reporting
or
wherever?
Do
you
think
we're
going
to
hear
specifically
about
possible
funding
mechanisms?
Is
that
the
october
report,
or
is
that
on
down
the
road?
I.
H
So
I
think
that
we
will
do
a
lot
of
analysis
and
really
look
at
it
hard
before
we
make
any
recommendations-
and
you
know
law
director
alliance
is
going
to
be
part
of
talking
about
that
too.
I
mean
there
are
different
models
in
other
cities,
but
what
we
can
do
given
the
kind
of
city
we
are
in
ohio,
I'm
not
ready
to
talk
about
that.
Yet.
H
H
H
You
know
if
you
have
specific
concerns,
let
us
know,
but
thanks,
you
know
we'll
keep
you
informed
as
stuff
happens.
Thank
you,
but
it's
I
just
want
to
emphasize.
This
is
a
really
good
group.
They
are
really
working
hard
on
this
and
we
have
some
serious
talent
on
this
group.
I'm
I'm
thoroughly
impressed.
A
I
Thank
you,
president
nicely
we'll
go
ahead
and
begin
our
meeting
with
just
three
items
on
the
agenda
for
today,
a
couple
of
them
related
to
sewers
and
the
first
one
specifically
up
at
dairy
lane
regarding
our
sewer
expansion
efforts
taking
on
some
of
the
county's
waste,
and
we
do
have
our
city
safety
services
director
here
to
provide
additional
information
this
evening
and
to
answer
any
questions
about
this
particular
project.
C
Sure
thank
you
emerald,
so
we
were
going
to
bring
this
to
this
body
last
week
to
get
moving
on
at
least
one
of
the
pieces
of
legislation
and
and
through
consultations.
We
made
the
determination
that
it
would
have
been
a
little
bit
too
complicated
to
try
to
get
all
that
ready
for
last
week
and
move
forward.
C
That
is
something
we're
attempting
to
put
a
lot
of
things
in
since
we're
doing
this
work
in
conjunction
with
receipt
of
the
county
sewage
not
only
for
county
sewage,
we're
doing
it
for
other
purposes
as
well,
but
we're
trying
to
put
as
many
things
into
that
bucket
as
we
can
because
of
the
because
of
zero
interest,
long-term
loan
situation.
C
So
there
are
five
pieces
of
legislation
that
ultimately
will
be
necessary
for
this
particular
project,
one
of
them
you've
already
passed
and
again.
This
is
this
is
unlike
a
lot
of
other
construction
projects.
We
do
because
of
the
epa
the
uf
or
the
ohio
epa's
process.
The
pat
the
legislation
you
already
passed
was
authorizing
the
administration
to
advertise
and
accept
bids,
and
that
was
completed
with
ordnance
7222.
C
So
as
soon
as
we
are
ready,
we
are
going
to
put
those
bids
on
the
street
after
we
receive
bids.
The
epa
requires
which
is
unique
to
this
particular
type
of
funding
mechanism.
A
resolution
of
tentative
award.
It's
a
one,
reading
resolution.
We
don't
do
it
for
anything
else,
other
than
this
particular
type
of
funding
stream,
so
that
will
be
one
that,
when
a
bid
comes
in
we'll
need
to
turn
that
relatively
quickly,
it's
necessary
for
for
our
loan
application.
C
So
certainly
you
can
look
back
at
the
records
and
I
can
share
that,
although
I'm
sure
clerk
walker
could
provide
that
as
well.
But
for
a
previous
project,
that's
that's
an
example
of
where
we
we
passed
a
piece
of
legislation
so
that
we
can
go
ahead
and
apply
for
this.
This
particular
funding
stream
and
and
the
reason
we
have
to
do.
C
That
is
because
you
know
it's
been
a
number
of
months
or
actually
it's
been
more
than
a
year,
and
so
we
re
enter
the
cycle
every
year
and
you
have
to
reapply
every
year.
So
that's
what
I'm
going
to
ask
you
to
bring
back
forward
monday
and
and
and
pass
under
suspension
so
that
we
can
keep
this
ball
rolling
and
then
there's
the
fairly
large
piece
of
legislation
that
also,
I
will
ask
you
to
turn
quickly
once
bids
come
in.
C
If
you
compare
them
to
other
projects
that
we've
done
under
under
this
funding
stream,
and
that's
a
to
authorize
the
service
safety
director
to
award
bids
not
to
advertise
and
accept
bits,
he
already
did
that,
but
to
award
bids
to
enter
into
contracts
for
construction
and
construction
engineering
and
then
authorize
and
appropriate
the
funds,
and
I
anticipate
that
this
project
will
be
in
the
6
million
six
and
a
half
million
dollar
range
for
construction.
C
The
scope
includes
the
this
new
sewer
that
will
come
across
the
what
we
call
the
ridges
tier
two
property,
so
all
of
the
land
south
of
dairy
lane,
all
the
way
down
to
blackburn
and
stagecoach
intersection
and
ultimately
will
provide
sewer
service
to
that
land
should
that
land
ever
develop
as
well
as
bring
in
the
county
sewage,
and
so
that's
a
major
secondary
goal
or
primary
goal.
C
As
far
as
I'm
concerned
is
being
able
to
provide
sewer
service
should
that
land
develop
in
the
future
number
two
to
bring
a
new
sewer
in
dairy
lane.
Dairy
lane
currently
is
seward
and
has
been
for
a
long
time
with
an
undersized
sewer
that
has
enough
capacity
to
serve.
What's
there
but
nothing
more,
and
then
that
will
allow
for
the
portion
of
the
county's
flow
that
is
coming
in
dairy
lane,
which
is
about
10
of
the
flow
to
come
in
that
way
and
then
also
a
new
water
line
on
dairy
lane.
C
And
if
you
look
back
through
records
in
this
body,
I
believe
a
few
years
ago
was
talked
about.
But
I
know
that
we've
talked
about
outside
of
council
as
well.
The
dairy
barn
renovated
their
facility
and
they
came
to
the
city
and
requested
the
city
build
a
water
line
to
support
fire
protection
from
the
dairy
barn.
Now,
if
you
look
back
in
our
history,
one
of
the
two
barns
of
the
dairy
barn
location
prior
to
being
in
the
city
burned
down-
and
you
know
we
cannot
provide
fire
protection
right
now
to
dairy
lane.
C
When
council
annexed
and
the
city
annexed,
the
ridges
back
in
1990
liax
maintained
water
service,
as
they
have
the
right
to
do
for
all
the
properties
on
dairy
lane,
and
so
they
have
they.
C
I
know
that
that
people
have
been
asking
about
in
in
previous
years
simply
because
of
the
the
the
nature
of
pedestrians
that
want
to
walk
out
to
points
points
west
of
of
the
park
at
south
park
drive,
and
I
anticipate
that
will
be
less
than
250
000,
so
that
piece
of
legislation
when
it
does
come
forward
we'll
have
funding
from
sewer
water
and
and
street
all
together
in
order
to
provide
funding
for
that
and
then
the
last
the
fifth
piece
of
legislation-
and
this
is
something
that
is
requested
from
us,
because
we
think
it's
good
policy.
C
We've
done
some
initial
math
and
the
the
revenue
loss
over
the
30-year
period
that
we
use
for
for
calculating
such
things
with
leax
is
in
the
million
dollar
range
million.
To
1.2
million
range
is
what
liax
has
forecasted,
and
so
they
say.
C
Basically,
you
have
to
pay
us
that
if
you,
if
we
were
going
to
give
you
these
customers
the
the
idea
that
I've
spoken
with
member
mccary,
you,
sir,
as
well
as
the
member
rising
who
was
president
the
meeting
about,
was
to
actually
swap
customers
with
leaks
for
several
extra
territorial
customers
on
longview
heights
drive
that
currently
are,
and
when
I
say
extra
territorial.
These
are
customers
that
the
city
provides
water
to,
but
do
not
reside
in
the
city.
C
So
there
are
five
residents
five
or
six
on
longview
heights
that
are
beyond
the
unitarian
church.
On
that
end,
that
are
outside
the
city.
There
is
a
liax
line
right
there
as
well,
but
the
city
was
there
first,
and
so
the
city
was
the
one
that
provided
water
to
those
customers
and
our
thinking
is
we
could
save
on
rather
than
buying
the
dairyland
customers
completely
from
liax.
C
We
could
instead
trade
customers
with
liax
and
then
just
paley
axe
for
the
difference,
and
so
that's
the
last
piece
of
legislation
that
I
would
bring
forward.
It's
not
necessary
that
that
comes
quickly,
but
all
five
of
these
pieces
of
legislation
are
related
to
this
particular
project.
Hopefully,
that
explains
what
we
talked
about
last
week.
I
Thank
you.
That's
a
lot
of
great
background
information
and
just
for
a
little
additional
background.
I
am
wanting
to
confirm
that
this
is
reflected
in
the
athens
2040
comprehensive
plan.
I'm
seeing
that
after
several
delays,
the
county
sewer
quarter
project
was
scheduled
to
begin
in
early
2021,
intended
to
resolve
some
existing
environmental
issues
from
failing
septic
systems
and
was
going
to
connect
approximately
1
300
septic
users
to
the
city's
public
sanitary
sewer
system
and
provide
some
development
opportunities
for
the
ridges
tier
2
area.
I
C
Sure,
so
to
answer
your
first
question:
yes,
it's
absolutely
in
line
with
those
long-term
plans
that
we
said
we
were
going
to
do
with
athens.
2040.
number
two.
I
think
this
body
will
hear
from
the
working
group
from
the
ridges
advisory
group
and
then
the
consultants
that
ohio
university
has
hired
to
look
at
the
redevelopment
plans
for
the
ridges
in
november.
I
C
So
currently
we
are
up
against
a
deadline
on
an
agreement
that
that
the
city
entered
into
with
the
county
to
take
the
first
drop
of
sewage
on
january
1st
2023,
I
am
very
concerned
about
making
that
deadline,
and
so
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
and
a
lot
of
this
has
to
do
with
just
the
delays
in
acquiring
property.
C
You
know,
frankly,
you
know
the
negotiations
have
gone
on
with
a
long
time
for
a
long
time
for
the
the
property
owners
that
have
to
grant
easement
rights
to
to
to
cross
their
their
land.
But
beyond
that,
I
don't
want
to
create.
I
don't
have
any
other
bureaucratics,
not
the
right
word,
but
basically,
administrative
reason
why
we're
delayed
other
than
just
the
contractor
takes
a
while
to
build
something.
So
you
know
in
a
perfect
world
I'd
have
it
done
by
january
1st.
C
I
don't
know
that
I'm
going
to
meet
that
deadline,
but
I'm
not
ready
to
give
up
yet,
and
so
so
I'm
I'm,
you
know
any
every.
You
know
every
week
past
that
deadline
that
we
agreed
to
we're
in
breach
of
our
agreement
with
the
county,
and
I
don't
want
to
be
in
breach
with
the
county
number
two.
That's
also
money
that
the
county
will
pay
to
the
city
for
treating
that
sewage.
C
So
it's
it's
also
revenue
loss
from
the
from
the
city's
perspective,
so
we're
we're
going
to
attempt
to
race
and
get
this
done
as
quickly
as
possible.
I
I
it
shouldn't
be
a
long
construction
at
least
get
the
sewer
in
the
ground.
I
mean.
Ultimately,
you
know
we're
looking
at
probably
a
you
know:
three
month,
construction
window,
it's
just
a
matter
of
when
we
can
get
everything
lined
up
to
get
it
delivered.
I
C
I
D
C
The
water
waterline
will
end
at
the
last
city
customer
on
on
dairy
lane,
as
it's
designed
right
now,
which
is
basically
it's
a.
I
think
we've
got
either
10
or
12
designed
and
or
maybe
it's
just
an
eight.
It
might
just
be
an
eight.
C
That's
that's
all
that's
necessary
for
for
the
fire
protection
there,
but
we'll
get
to
the
317
board
and
then
at
that
point
we'll
it'll
have
a
you
know
a
cap
put
on
the
end
and
a
valve
and
if
we
wanted
to
pick
up
and
extend
it
because
some
development
occurred
further
in
the
in
the
city
but
further
out
that
direction
we
could
we
could
do
that.
But
for
this
project
our
goal
was
to
get
you
know,
ultimately,
a
proper
water
line
to
provide
fire
protection
to
the
existing
facilities
on.
D
Right
and
the
sidewalk
I'm
assuming
would
be
on
the
other
side
of
the
street
and
ohio
university
has
a
couple
of.
I
mean
all
that
property,
I
guess,
is
the
ridges
and
there's
a
there's,
I
think
one
private
home
and
then
another
home
owned
by
the
university.
How
does
that
they're
going
to
be
on
board?
I
would
imagine.
C
So
we're
working
with
the
university
to
ensure
that
we've
got
access
through
there.
You
know
in
most
cases
it's
in
right-of-way,
so
it's
not
a
matter
where
we
need
anything.
C
Where
you
know,
we
believe
that
it's,
you
know
that
it's
outside,
but
it's
on
university,
but
we
we
think
that
you
know
we
have
a
right
to
be
there
anyway,
because
there's
already
a
sewer
there.
So
so
we
don't
need
a
special
easement
necessarily
from
the
university
that
even
exists
somewhere
in
history,
from
the
ohio
department
of
mental
health
time
frame
right.
B
I
just
want
to
add
a
little
bit
since
you're
asking
the
questions
how
far
out
dairy
lane.
You
know
that
also,
you
know
begs
for
the
question:
how
far
out
longview
heights
road
as
well,
and
it's
basically
from
the
unitarian
church
out
to
siegel
lane
or
near
siegel
lane
to
where
there
would
be
the
customer
swap
in
that
area.
D
B
I
think
I
believe
the
last
address
in
the
city
limits
along
longview
heights.
Road
is
203
longview
heights
road
somewhere
around
there
and
then
after
that,
you're
outside
it's
odd,
because
one
side
of
longview
heights
road
is
in
the
corp
limit,
further
down
longview
heights
road
than
the
other
side.
I
Thank
you,
director,
stone.
You
mentioned
that
this
is
a
pretty
good
deal
on
a
zero
percent
regionalization,
environmental
protection
agency
loan.
Did
you
say
it
was
30
or
40
years.
C
So
the
initial
term
that
when
we
initially
applied
it
was
a
40-year
term.
So
the
most
recent
application
that
we
that
we
looked
at
basically
for
reapplying
it's
a
30-year
period,
but
that's
still
at
zero
interest
and
solar,
and
I
can
do
the
math
specifically
on
payback.
But
that's
what
I
saw
most
recently
and
you.
C
I
think
the
total
project
cost
for
this
particular
project
is
around
six
million,
and
that
includes
you
know
about
five
million
for
sewer
about
a
million
eight
hundred
thousand
for
water
and
probably
two
hundred
thousand
four
for
the
sidewalk
component
of
the
project
that
may
flux
some
based
upon
the
the
final
design
which
we're
working
through
right
now,
but
I'll
have
that
detail
when
we
come
forward
and
well
in
advance
for
us
coming
forward
on
our
on
our
that
last
ordinance
that
I
mentioned,
or
that
second
last
words
that
I
mentioned,
which
is
the
authorizing
and
appropriating
of
funds.
C
The
thing
that
is
unique
with
this
particular
and
why
I'm
going
to
ask
for
that
to
come
quickly
when
the
time
comes?
Is
the
ohio
epa
wants
the
the
the
the
resolution
of
tentative
award
to
come
in
after
the
bids
come
in
because
they'll
only
loan
you
the
amount
of
money
based
upon?
What's
bid
plus
a
five
percent
contingency?
I
Are
we
only
able
to
use
oepa
funds
for
such
a
project
once
one
at
a
time?
Can
we
have
more
than
one
loan
from
them
like
this?
Okay,
great.
I
All
right,
councilmember
eisner
did
you
have
a
question.
G
Yeah
about
the
customers
on
longview
heights
and
you
wanted
to
do
the
swap.
Do
the
customers
have
any
say
in
this?
No.
C
My
customers,
don't
you
know
you-
have
no
obligation
to
serve
water
to
people
outside
of
the
city
limits
we've
done
so
in
the
past
in
areas
just
to
expand
our
customer
base.
I
suppose
you
know,
I
think
probably,
and
that
might
not
be
the
best
public
policy.
That's
just
my
opinion
and
that
you
know
if
you
want
city
services,
you
know
you
ought
to
annex-
or
at
least
you
have
to
strike
an
agreement
with
the
city
about
what
the
reason
that
you're
extending
city
services
beyond
the
city
is
for.
C
My
guess
is
the
reason
that
it
was
extended
in
that
area
is
because
you
know
there
was
a.
There
was
a
need
back
in
the
in
the
80s
for
people
to
get
off
the
wells
or
70s
or
60s.
I'm
not
quite
sure
when
that
line
went
in
to
get
off
of
wells
and
the
city
was
close
by
and
they
saw
a
chance
to
grab
some
customers
and
and
the
council
at
the
time
authorized,
because
council
has
to
authorize
extrator
territorial
service
council
authorized
it
and
said
it
was
okay.
C
But
you
know
it's
a
great
deal
right
to
get
city
water
and
not
have
to
pay.
You
know
property
taxes
or
if
you
happen,
to
work
from
home
income
taxes
inside
the
city,
excellent.
H
I'm
sorry
to
ask
this
question,
but
I
know
we've
had
this
conversation
before
a
while
ago
about
how
there's
these
you
know
old
bridges,
little
small
bridges,
and
I
go
down
that
road
frequently
and
I've
wondered
how
in
the
world
you
could
even
put
sidewalks
next
to
it.
So
obviously
you
come
up
with
a
plan
for
that
so
you're
going
to
have
to
remove
some
of
that.
There
was
some
discussion
about
how
we
really
shouldn't,
or
some
people
are
upset
about
those
ancient
bridge.
H
C
So
if
it
may
be
best
for
us
to
sit
down
and
and
look
at
specific
plans
for
each
of
the
three
bridges
on
dairy
land,
because
there's
three
yeah,
specifically
one
of
which
is
not
being
reached
by
the
sidewalk,
so
it's
beyond
the
317
board,
the
other
two
are
are
being
passed,
one
of
which
we
did
a
fairly
significant
project
a
few
years
ago,
where
we
actually
widened
it.
C
And
now
there's
space
inside
the
railing
to
place
the
sidewalk
on
the
other
one
it'll
end
up
being
outside
of
it
and
I'll
I'll.
Just
show
you
exactly
how
we're
gonna
do
that
on
a
map?
Okay,
great,
but.
I
Great
questions
looks
like
we're
ready
to
move
on
to
our
second
item:
west
union
street
improvements.
Let's
talk
about
this
access
road
and
we
once
again
can
hear
an
update
from
director
stone.
C
Okay,
this
is
technically
a
transportation
project,
but
somehow
it
ended
up
in
the
city,
safety
and
services
committee.
Here
this
evening
we
had
a
joint
meeting
about
a
week
ago.
I
don't
know
a
week
and
a
half
ago
with
member
mccarry
and
and
member
rising.
I
don't
know
if
you
know,
member
eisner
would
want
to
talk
about
that
in
advance
of
me
talking
or
I
can
go
ahead
and
talk.
C
You
know
what
he
says,
sure
so
I'll
go
ahead
and
pick
that
up.
So
the
bottom
line
is
that
there
will
be
about
four
pieces
of
legislation
that
will
need
to
come
forward
on
this
project
as
well.
We
discussed
it
at
this
joint
meeting
that
we
had
last
week
with
the
engineering
public
works
staff
as
well
as
myself.
C
I
I
will
have
to
determine
which
of
these
four
pieces
of
legislation
needs
to
start
next
week.
Okay,
but
the
bottom
line
is
that
we
have
to
accept
or
enter
pass
legislation
to
enter
into
an
lpa
agreement,
which
we
do
in
all
odot
funding
streams.
C
And
then
we
have
to
accept
the
easements,
and
these
are
all
the
easements
that
have
been
granted
to
the
city
for
the
construction
of
the
project
from
various
property
owners
along
the
way,
and
we've
been
going
through
the
process
of
buying
those
and
acquiring
those
or
getting
them
donated
here
over
the
last
three
years,
and
then
the
council
ultimately
has
to
accept
them.
C
So
before
they
can
be
recorded,
we
have
to
appropriate
and
authorize
money
for
construction,
and
then
we
also
have
to
authorize
the
administration
to
apply
for
a
sibling
which
we
anticipate
being
the
mechanism
by
which
we
would
get
the
bridge
funding
to
make
the
rest
of
the
the
funding
on
this
particular
project.
Like
I
said,
I
don't
believe
I'll
be
close,
but
I
don't
know
that
I'll
be
ready
to
start
any
of
this
legislation
next
week.
But
I
think
those
are
the
four
pieces
that
will
come
forward
for
this.
C
I
I
think
so
I
mean
there
is
a
water
component
of
this
project
and
that
we're
replacing
the
water
line
on
west
hume
street
as
well.
So
it's
you
know,
you
know,
as
president
nicely
is
aware,
you
know
so
from
my
time
as
a
city
engineer.
So
often
you
know
transportation
projects
and
services
projects
blend
together
because
we're
trying
to
do
our
best
to
build
infrastructure
and
stuff
under
the
road
when
we're
doing
transportation.
C
So
often
people
are
just
concerned
about
what's
on
top
of
the
road,
but
you
know
your
committee
obviously
is
focused
on.
What's
underneath
it
so
absolutely.
I
I
C
So
the
access
road
is
via
harold
avenue,
between
union
street
and
west
state
street
and
the
last
time
this
came
forward
when
we
thought
we
were
going
to
move
forward
with
this
project.
We
sought
the
app
or
the
appropriation
of
property
on
west
state
street
and
that
failed
in
city
council.
C
As
everybody
here
is
aware,
we've
redesigned
it
gone
back
to
the
drawing
board,
redesigned
it
to
the
second
alternative,
basically
from
where
we
had
originally
looked
at
various
alignments,
and
this
will
allow
the
access
road
to
go
in
between
the
current
alignment
of
harold
avenue
and
west
state
street
behind
the
city
transit
garage,
so
basically
through
what
we
call
the
bottom,
which
is
a
material
storage
area
beside
the
wastewater
treatment
plant.
I'm
sorry,
the
water
treatment
plant
and
the
water
treatment
plant
and
bus
garage.
F
I
Unfortunately,
this
item
will
be
on
a
upcoming
agenda
for
the
transportation
committee
and
I
think
they'll
have
an
opportunity
to
look
at
them.
F
F
F
A
I
would
mayor
councilman
mccarrie,
you
have
the
mayor
and
then
my
other
query
would
be
to
serve
as
safety
director
and
what
this
does
to
the
timeline
for
the
improvements
in
the
project
and
the
funding
on
it.
B
You
know,
I
guess
my
general
comment
is
you
there
you're
not
seeing
any
designs
for
the
sewer,
the
on
the
previous
piece
of
legislation
that
we
were
just
talking
about,
nor
where
a
sidewalk
is
going
to
go
in,
we
can
certainly
get
those
designs
to
where
you'll
see
them
no
one's
hiding
the
football
as
we're.
Looking
at
these
plans,
everybody
has
seen
where
the
original
road
access
road
was
going
to
go
in.
B
That
failed,
you
know,
and
so
it
is
being
moved
approximately
200
feet
in
the
other
direction
to
go
in
down
by
where
the
athens
public
transit
maintenance
facility
is
it's
not
rocket
science,
but
we
can
certainly
get
council
the
design.
So
you
see
what
the
map
is,
because
that's
basically
what
you're
asking
if
you
want
the
detailed
designs,
you
know
where
the
sewers
are
going
to
go
where
the
storm
drains
are
going
to
go.
You
know
we
can
provide
that
as
well.
B
F
No
just
a
general
and
and
that
the
other
stuff
you
mentioned
would
be
micromanagement
on
our
part,
and
that
is
not
a
legislative
thing.
But
when
we
sit
down
to
have
a
conversation
about
something-
and
I
see
the
word
access
road,
I
would
at
least
like
to
know
what
the
access
where
the
access
road
is-
and
yes,
I
agree-
we
did
see
some
rough
stuff
back
it,
but
it'd
be
nice
to
have
the
complete
package
for
the
discussion.
I
C
You
know,
I
don't,
I
think,
it'll
be
fine,
I'll
provide
the
you
know:
we've
we've,
given
the
you
know,
we
gave
comments
back
to
the
design
firm
on
the
on
their
basically
their
stage.
Three
redesign
after
we
had
to
redesign,
and
you
know
we
had-
we
did
some
markups.
So
what
I
probably
will
do
is
provide
those
markups
specifically
and
and
the
notes
there.
It's
it's
a
it's
a
pretty
sizable
document,
but
I'll
make
sure
it's
available.
All.
C
I
think
that
probably
what
you're
asking
about
is
really
just
the
kind
of
an
aerial
of
the
alignment
more
so
than
a
like
the
detail
plan
exactly
so
yeah
I
can.
I
can
provide
that
thank.
I
You
very
much
yes
more
any
other
questions
for
this
access
road
topic.
Yes,.
H
Okay,
so
larry's
hot
dogs,
restaurant
on
that
corner
is
a
real
problem
now
and
this
came
up
before,
but
I
think
we
have
to
discuss
it
before
we
take
this
down
the
road
too
far.
It
is
dangerous.
I
mean
I
go
down
there.
H
All
the
time
and
people
are
lined
up,
for
you
know
a
block
in
either
direction
a
couple
of
times
a
day,
sometimes
so
I
know
you've
approached
them,
etc,
but
I
don't
think
we
should
have
a
full
decision
on
this
until
there's
some
discussion
about
what
we
can
do
about
the
traffic
there.
I
Director
stone:
do
you
already
have
any
comments
or
updates
about
safety
concerns
around?
There
is
dog
house.
C
I
can
speak
to
that.
We
worked
extensively
is
probably
too
too
conservative
of
a
word.
When
we
talk
about
the
amount
of
conversation
we
have
with
both
larry
the
previous
owner
and
and
the
current
owner
as
to
what
is
possible,
given
that
that
they
own
out
to
the
corner,
I
mean
it's,
there's
no
right-of-way
there.
C
So
in
all
instances
we
are
acquiring
right
away
from
them
and
and
when
you
acquire
right
away,
it
ends
up
being
a
negotiation
unless
you're
going
to
just
take
it
out
right
and
do
a
domain
action
for
something
that
they
don't
want
and
what
we
ended
up
landing
on
will
make
it
better.
C
But
it
will
be
better
and
I'd
like
to
provide
some
like
a
diagram,
basically
of
what
provisions
will
make
it
better
so
that
it's
a
less
a
less
dangerous
situation,
but
it
won't
be
perfect.
H
I
Thank
you,
everyone
for
your
comments
and
questions
on
that.
Second
item.
Our
third
item
very
closely
related
to
the
first
item
in
terms
of
sewer
expansion
projects.
This
is
project
number
330
using
the
same
funds
that
we
were
just
talking
about
from
the
ohio
epa,
so
director
stone.
Do
you
have
a
summary
that
you
can
provide
for
project
30,
30.
C
So,
a
couple
years
ago,
as
we
get
off
and
it's
approaching
about
three
now,
the
initial
approach
was
to
place
the
sewer
that
was
going
to
accept
the
that
was
going
to
accept
the
about
30
of
the
sewage
from
the
county
project,
as
well
as
replace
the
or
upgrade
a
couple
lift
stations
that
need
to
be
upgraded
straight
up.
C
West
union
street,
as
the
consultant
worked
on
the
design
for
west
union
street
street
project,
an
access
road
project
that
we
were
just
talking
about,
we
basically
got
really
far
down
the
down
the
path
in
design
and
they
came
back
to
the
city
here
last
year
and
said
you
know,
showed
us
the
design
and
we
looked
at
it
and
it's
just
not
a
tenable
approach.
They
were
working
under
guidance
from
the
previous.
You
know
previous
engineer,
and
it
just
wasn't
a
tenable
approach
and
so
sally.
C
The
current
city
engineer
looked
at
it
and
said
said:
we
can't
we
can't.
We
can't
do
this.
This
is
just
not
going
to
be
viable,
and,
and
so
we
proposed
a
realignment
for
that
which
will
take,
take
the
sewer
down,
basically
the
bike
path
and
be
a
force
main,
rather
than
be
a
gravity
line
in
western
in
west
union
street
and
we'll
bypass
the
depot
lift
station,
which
is
one
of
the
key
things
that
is
necessary
for
that
that
sewage,
because
we
don't
want
to
upgrade
the
ebola
station
again.
C
I
Thank
you
very
much
and
for
the
mention
that
this
will
run
alongside
the
bike
paths.
My
understanding
that
this
would
not
be
anything
that
would
be
visually,
disruptive
or
even
visible
at
all
I'll.
C
I
D
Yes,
I'll
just
say
that
the
protector
of
the
cherry
tree
susan
calhoun,
has
just
retired,
and
there
is
nobody
yet
in
her
position
and
there
will
be
many
voices
that
will
hope
that
we
do
what
we
can
here
not
do
what
we
can,
that
we
preserve
everything
possible
and
let
them
know
if
you
need
connections.
Remember.
C
Least,
at
least
in
so
far
as
this
project
goes
given
the
amount
of
effort
we've
put
into
doing
plantings
and
this
body
is
put
into
doing
plantings
with
the
rich
celebrity
roundabout
and
other
projects.
We've
done
to
expand
on
the
cherry
blossoms
that
we
have
in
the
spring.
So
it's
something
that's
near
and
dear
to
my
heart
and
we'll
make
sure
thank.
B
I
Director
stone
is
this
another
one
where
it
would
be
easy
to
show
just
an
overview
and
ariel
of
where
the
line
would
go
alongside
the
bike
path,.
C
I
yeah-
I
could
do
that
for
that.
It's
important
to
note
that
this
project
is
not
just
a
sewer
line.
This
includes
upgrades
of
both
the
what
we
call
the
bedrock
lift
station,
which
is
no
longer
bedrock,
but
it's
in
front
of
the
bedrock,
as
well
as
the
lift
station
on
on
richland
avenue
by
the
roundabout.
So
this
is
a
bigger
project
than
just
a
sewer
line,
but
but
the
alignment
of
that
particular
portion
of
it
I
can
I
can
share
that.
I
Thank
you
other
interests
or
questions
from
committee
members.
Other
council
members.
I
J
Thank
you,
president
nicely
and
we're
going
to
continue
on
topic
of
sewer
systems
and
easements,
and
in
this
particular
case,
the
university
via
the
ohio
department
of
administrative
services,
is
seeking
the
written
approval
from
the
city
for
a
sewer
easement
going
around
clip
injure
on
the
university
campus,
and
we
do
have
a
lot
of
a
very
long
document
and
a
legal
description
of
the
easement,
as
well
as
an
aerial
photo
with
a
general
location
highlighted
and
the.
J
I
believe
this
is
something
that
has
been
going
on
for
some
time
and
perhaps
the
the
state
has
just
gotten
paperwork
to
us
for
an
easement
that
they
would
like
for
us
to
legally
sign
on
to
and
grant
to
them.
Do
you
have
other
information
directors,
tom.
C
Right,
thank
you,
member
grace.
This
is.
This
is
actually
something
initiated
when
I
was
the
city
engineering
director
works
and
not
the
service
aid
director.
So
just
give
you
an
idea
of
how
the
speed
of
the
department
of
administrative
services
in
this
particular
instance.
This
is
a
an
easement
that
the
university
is
granting
to
the
city
that
the
city
has
to
accept.
Not
the
other
advancements.
C
C
You
know
the
majority
of
the
city
sewage,
and
so
there
had
to
be
a
redesign
and
a
rerouting
of
that
trunk
line
around
the
new
chemistry
building
and
as
part
of
the
construction,
ohio
university
designed
and
paid
for
construction
of
this
new
line
and
and
also
granted
the
city
an
easement
and
now
we're
finally
getting
around
to
the
department
of
administrative
services
having
the
documentation
pulled
together
to
give
to
the
city
council
to
to
accept
the
easement
that
the
university
is
granting.
J
Okay
yeah,
I
was
no,
I
said,
approval
of
the
grantee
and
yeah,
but
obviously
it
has
infrastructure
infrastructure
that
has
been
in
place
for
many
years.
E
J
Yes-
and
we
now
have
the
paperwork
to
make
it
official,
are
there
any
questions
about
this?
Yes,.
D
No
question
just
a
comment:
pursuant
to
the
timing
of
this,
the
the
oh
you
entity,
the
ohio
university
entity
listed
on
the
document
is
don
brooke,
which
is
correct.
However,
his
address
is
listed
as
160
west
state
street,
which,
depending
on
how
long
you've
been
around,
is
nick
b
building,
hdl,
wusoc
and
now
the
rock
under
construction.
So
if
anything
gets
sent
to
him
there,
he
won't
get.
A
D
President
eisely,
we
have
four
items
all
appropriations
under
on
the
finance
and
personnel
committee
agenda.
The
first
one
is
a
two
thousand
one
hundred
and
seventy
dollar
litter
grant
the
city
received
from
the
ohio
epa,
recycling
and
litter
prevention
fund.
D
The
city
applied
for
this
grant
to
install
security
cameras
to
monitor
illegal
dump
sites,
so
this
money
will
go
to
the
garbage,
solid
waste
got
to
garbage,
and
this
will
be
solid
waste
officers
in
the
code
department
that
will
be
installing
and
monitoring
these
cameras.
Any
questions
about
this
grant
received
from
the
committee
other
members
of
the
council
administration.
D
Okay,
next
item
is
it's
time
to
pay
our
sewer
debt
fund
payment
and
the
auditor
has
recommended
a
twenty
thousand
dollar
payment
fund.
758
tc
400
any
questions
from
the
committee
about
paying
our
bills.
D
Other
members
of
council
administration,
audience,
okay
and
the
third
item
on
our
agenda
is
an
appropriation
of
twenty
one
thousand
seven
hundred
dollars,
and
this
is
for
an
ohio
history
connection
grant,
and
this
is
a
grant
where
the
city
spends
the
money
and
then
is
reimbursed.
D
This
grant
is
for
more
sites
like
the
berry
hotel,
the
virtual
history
display,
if
you've
been
down
and
tried
that
you
know
with
the
cell
phone.
It's
quite
interesting
and
and
we'd
like
to
have
more
of
that
in
the
city.
Are
there
any
questions
from
the
committee
on
this
grant?
Other
members
of
council?
Yes,
mr
swank,
do.
F
You
have
any
ideas
of
what
the
next
virtual
history
sites
might
be.
That's.
B
Armory
would
be
among
them,
but
there's
other
sites
as
well.
C
F
B
We
would
yeah,
I
mean
that
would
be
the
plan
for
any
of
you
who
know
dr
nancy
stevens.
You
know
she
has
done
some
really
amazing
work
up
at
the
ridges
with
self-guided
tours.
This
would
be
similar
to
that,
but
it
could
be
known
as
the
place
of
virtual
tour.
Yeah
very
good,
but
you
do
have
to
be
there.
D
Other
questions,
okay
and
the
last
item
on
our
agenda
tonight
is:
we've
talked
about
this
quite
a
bit
over
the
past
probably
a
year.
This
is
seven
thousand
five
hundred
dollar
five
hundred
dollars
appropriate
to
the
general
fund
city
council,
and
this
is
to
pay
for
our
updated
code
of
ordinances.
D
We
did
have
468
pages
of
general
neutral
changes
and
at
11.50
a
page
that
is
a
total
of
5
382,
but
the
company
is
offering
a
three
thousand
dollar
flat
rate
for
gender
neutral
changes,
so
three
thousand
dollars
will
be
for
those
changes.
Three
thousand
five
hundred
dollars
will
be
for
general
ordinances.
D
We
have
128
pages
of
these.
We
have
seven
images
that
are
priced
separately
and
nine
different
ord
link
postings,
and
then
you
receive
hard
copies.
So
the
total
of
all
of
this
is
6
500
and
then
an
additional
1
000,
which
would
be
the
to
link
to
the
website.
D
D
F
E
E
H
H
I
I'm
pleased
to
hear
about
the
flat
rate
of
three
thousand
dollars.
Did
you
come
to
understand
that
as
an
incentive
for
cities
to
do
this?
It.
E
B
Again,
I
I
know
that
councilmember
mccary
spoke
to
this
and
spoke
to
the
team
of
individuals.
The
university
who
worked
on
this
and
I
just
want
to
give
recognition
to
them
as
well
as
to
you
all
the
work
put
into
making
this
happen
and
yeah.
If
this
does
become
an
incentive
for
other
municipalities
to
look
at
gender
neutrality
and
their
language,
then
yay,
but
again
want
to
recognize
council
member
mccary
for
for
championing
the
story.