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Athens City Council - April 24, 2023
B
Good
evening
it's
honor
about
7
P.M
Monday
evening
April
24th
2023.
This
is
Athens
City
Council.
In
committee
night
we
have
three
committees
meeting
tonight.
Our
finance
and
Personnel.
A
city
is,
and
safety
service
committee
and
transportation
committee
I
should
mention
that
I'm
filling
in
as
a
present
Pro
tem
for
Chris
nicely,
who
is
president
of
council
but
absent
tonight.
B
C
New
president,
pro
tem
Reisner,
yes,
two
items
on
our
agenda
tonight.
The
first
is
the
bond
issue.
At
our
last
meeting,
we
passed
the
amendment
to
the
appropriation
for
the
Fire
Department
headquarters,
and
tonight
we
have
on
our
agenda
discussion
of
how
to
pay
for
that
and
we're
very
lucky
to
have
the
auditor
with
us
tonight
and
I
might
just
ask
her
to
give
us
her
recommendations
on
the
bond
issue.
Thank
you.
Auditor.
A
E
D
All
safety
services
that
the
fire
department
was
our
main
purpose
in
passing
that
the
bond
issue
involves,
we
have
a
bond
consultant
firm.
It's
a
wealth
management,
firm,
employee,
owned,
r.w
Baird,
and
they
are
the
ones
that
are
person
there.
Mike
Burns
is
the
one
who
puts
together
all
the
paper.
He's
already
put
a
stuffed
together,
like
the
amortization
schedule,
he's
the
one
who
helps
us
make
sure
we
have
our
bond
rating
with
Moody's
and
puts
together
all
the
info.
D
So
when
you
see
that
so,
if
you
've
seen
it
already,
but
it
doesn't
look
like
our
other
ordinances,
a
lot
of
legal
stuff,
and
so
all
of
the
paperwork
for
this
stuff
is
done,
and
they
are
both
waiting
for
me
to
tell
them.
Tomorrow
that
we're
going
to
move
forward
with
this,
basically
it's
either
do
this
or
wipe
funds
out
of
other
funds
that
we
have
and
I
believe.
We've
also
in
my
office
done
calculations
about
how
much
our
Revenue
will
be.
D
We
know
how
much
revenue
we
bring
in
from
the
different
levees
from
the
different
funds
and
I
believe
that
we
can
cover
this
and
sorry.
I
think
this
is
the
way
to
go
for
this.
So
we're
looking
at
a
19-year
issue,
yes,
and
it
will
be
a
little
different
than
the
9
million
issue
that
we
went
out,
for
we
did
that
recently.
We
won't
have
to
baby
and
I
won't
have
to
deal
with
duties
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff
and
it'll
go
quicker
and.
F
D
G
So
I
think
it
might
be
a
good
reminder
to
the
public
how
dire
it
is
that
we
get
this
thing
built
because
I
recall
a
year
ago
when
I
went
to
visit
the
fire
station,
it
is
in
really
bad
shape.
The
current
one
that
we
need
to
replace
and
I
think
it's
important
to
realize
that
we
have
a
limited
amount
of
time
before
that
thing
is
going
to
just
fall
apart,
and
that
would
be
a
disaster.
So
anyway,
do
you
have
any
updates
on
the
conditions
of
the
fire
station.
F
Not
that
it
was
a
year
ago,
because
we
did,
you
know,
put
money
into
that
building
to
continue
to
secure
it.
But
you
know
it's
it's
a
building
with
a
life
expectancy
and
it
and
it
to
remind
everyone.
The
main
issue
with
the
fire
station
headquarters
is
the
weight
of
the
equipment
that
sits
inside
that
facility.
F
So
you
know
I
I
not
heard
that
any
more
Spalding
is
taking
place
or
any
other
chunks
of
concrete
or
falling
I
can
get
more
Intel
on
that.
But
again
it's
a
building
that
we're
on
the
path
to
building
a
new
50-year
building.
Hopefully
it's
longer
than
that,
but
we'll
see
and
it's
going
to
be
a
building.
F
That
council
is
well
aware
that
it's
going
to
be
situated
at
an
extremely
high
visibility
standpoint
with
the
new
33
32
50
interchange,
that's
going
in
it's
going
to
be
a
highly
recognizable
facility,
and
so
there
for
us
to
to
have
it
fit
with
the
look
and
feel
of
the
city
of
Athens.
I
think
is
is
very
important,
but
council,
member
spielness,
your
Point's
well
taken
is
that
again,
we've
got
a
in
time
migrate.
H
H
I
have
two
options:
I'm
lucky
enough,
like
the
city
to
invested
money
well
and
I
have
four
million
dollars
sitting
in
my
personal
account.
I
can
write
that
check
and
move
into
the
house
tomorrow,
but
by
writing
that
check
for
that
four
million
dollars
that
I
have
an
investment
interest
instrument.
I
no
longer
want
to
collect
interest
on
that
or
I
can
go
to
the
bank
and
borrow
four
million
dollars
at
an
interest
rate.
A
D
We
just
have
to
go
back
and
look
at
our
cash
balance,
our
cash
Reserve
policy
for
the
general
fund
and
the
fact
a
lot
of
those
funds
that
we
want
to
scoop
up
or
scoop
up
to
help
pay
for
this
instead
of
borrowing
you
know
already,
we
already
had
other
plans
for
it.
This
isn't
the
only
thing
going
on
in
the
city
if.
H
H
D
H
D
H
D
Can't
promise
that
over
19
years
I
mean
how
do
we
know
where
the
Investments
are
going
to
go?
Our
Treasurer
does
an
excellent
job,
keeping
track
of
that
and
running
around
when
necessary.
That
I
I
can't
promise
you
that
it's
going
to
do
that,
but
it
would
be
the
same
for
me.
Buying
a
house
I'm.
Never
a
four
million
dollar
house
but
say
I
buy
it
250
or
300
000
house
I
might
have
that
much
available.
H
H
How
much
in
interest
are
we
going
to
pay
over
the
19
years?
And
secondly,
how
much
are
we?
What
do
we
have
available
right
now
that
we
could
use
of
our
own
money
I?
Think
for
us
to
make
that
kind
of
I.
Think
the
for
us
to
vote
on
something
this
of
this
magnitude
without
those
figures
would
not
be
having
the
whole
story
and
then
that's
what
I
would
like
to
have
before
I
vote
one
way
or
the
other
on
this.
So.
D
That
belongs
to
other
funds
that
are
separate
in
particular
like
water
or
sewer
and
garbage,
which
are
proprietary.
Also,
the
parking
garage,
Water
and
Sewer
are
big
funds,
and
so
any
money,
whatever
they
have
unappropriated,
has
to
still
be
available.
You
can't
just
wipe
out
CDs
that
dip
into
the
unappropriated
balance
in
other
funds.
H
H
D
D
D
F
I
I
would
I
wonder
if
I
can
kind
of
jump
in
a
little
bit,
because
you
know
the
the
30
million
that
I
am
listening
to
in
terms
of
what
was
budget.
You
know
a
lot
of
that
is
money.
That's
coming
in
throughout
the
year.
It's
not
money
that
all
of
a
sudden
there's
30
million
sitting
in
there.
It's
money,
that's
gonna
as
you're,
just
indicating
it's
going
to
be
water
rates
can
be
sewer
rates.
It's
trash
rates,
that's
parking,
meter,
Revenue
and
other
things
that
are
coming
into
that.
F
Certainly
we
budget,
you
know,
but
there
is
carryover
money,
and
that
is
typically,
you
know
as
we're
looking
at
things
going
to
be
payroll,
making
sure
that
we
can
have
payroll
covered
and
whatnot
so
I
appreciate
the
question.
I
would
like
to
add
to
this
conversation.
Are
you
customer
psych?
Are
you
referring
to
the
monies
that
are
in
the
treasury
that
that
treasurer
Thomas
is
the
one
who's
managing
in
terms
of
their
big
money
that
the
city
has
I'm.
H
Just
asking:
what
is
the
pot
of
available
funds
yeah
that
wherever
that
is
sure,
yeah
that
I'm
not
insinuating
either
I'm
just
asking?
Because
you
know
that
four
million
dollar
house
I
bought
I
I
didn't
mention
that
I
also
had
another
three
million
dollars
that
I'm
not
touching,
and
we
talk
about
the
time
and
value
of
money
too
sure,
and
we
know
that
we're
going
to
get
money
in
over
the
next
19
years
to
replace
that
we
don't
know
how
much
how
University
enrollment
goes
through
the
roof.
We
could
be
sitting
on.
H
You
know
golden
egg,
kids
quit
going
to
college
and
right
we
could
park
on
Court
Street
any
time
of
the
day
night
you
want
to.
But
we
can't
predict
that
I
understand
that
and
also
understand
that
money
doesn't
come
in
all
at
one
time.
Just
reading
articles
today
about
school
districts,
they're
trying
to
figure
out
what
they're
going
to
do
with
their
their
their
budgets
going
forward,
but
when
they
get
paid
twice
a
year
from
some
sources
twice
a
month
from
others,
no
I
fully
understand
it.
H
F
The
the
upside
of
having
the
citizens
pass
the
safety
Levy
is
that
we
know
for
the
next
19
years,
plus
that
there's
going
to
be
dedicated
Revenue
coming
in
that
can
only
be
used
for
Safety
Services
of
any
type,
and
we
we
know
what
that's
going
to
be
coming
in.
You
know
give
and
take,
but
small
I
mean,
given
that
we
are
a
college
town.
When
you
look
at
our
past
Financial
trajectory,
it's
been
pretty
flat,
I
hate
the
word
Recession
Proof,
because
I
don't
believe
in
that.
F
Quite
honestly,
however,
the
beauty
of
a
college
town
is
that
you
do
you
know
it's
it
irons,
those
Peaks
and
troughs
out,
given
that
we
are
a
college
town,
and
so
therefore
you
know
to
to
go
the
bond
row
and
know
over
the
next
18
years
we
have
a
dedicated
Revenue
stream
that
we
can
be
using
to
pay
back
that
Bond
as
opposed
to
what
you
know,
Council
passed
where
we
are
taking
away
from
money.
That's
not
going
to
regenerate
itself.
F
F
You
know,
we've
been
very
diligent
with
our
general
fund
and
being
smart.
I
think
we'd
recognize
that
there
was
money
there
that
could
be
used,
but
to
go
the
bond
route.
It
frees
that
up
to
be
used
for
things
that
are
equally
important
to
make
sure
that
we're
investing
in
whether
it's
infrastructure
or
facilities,
whatever
it
is.
C
A
D
A
D
That
fund
has
a
million
dollars
so
we're
all
you
know
using
more
than
half
of
that,
and
I
can't
tell
you
how
many
years
it
took
to
get
up
to
a
million,
because
we
just
don't
put
that
much
of
a
percentage
of
our
tax
money
in
there.
There's
no
Revenue.
Besides
a
small
percentage
of
tax
money
going
into
that
Capital
fund
and.
D
A
H
D
H
C
I
My
name
is
Lucille:
Copa
live
on
the
west
side
of
Athens,
as
just
a
citizen
who's
a
little
unaware,
but
does
like
I
I.
Just
don't
know
if
this
has
been
configured
or
shared
with
citizens,
but
the
fire
station
location,
the
new
one
like.
Doesn't
it
flood
right
there
like
because
I'm
sure
that's
been
looked
at,
but.
J
J
When
you,
when
you
develop
in
the
floodplain
and
that
location,
is
in
the
flood
plain
not
in
the
flood
way
and
there's
a
distinction
between
the
floodplain
and
the
flood
wave,
this
is
in
the
floodplain.
Whenever
you
develop
anything
in
the
flood
plain,
the
the
our
flood
damage
prevention
laws
both
locally
as
well
as
at
the
state
and
federal
level,
say
that
you
have
to
elevate
the
most
the
lowest
finished
floor
to
one
foot
above
the
100
Year
floodplain,
or
what
we
call
the
one
percent
chance
of
Any
Given
year.
J
That's
going
to
flood
to
that
that
level
for
an
emergency
service
facility.
You
have
to
elevate
two
feet
above
it,
so
it
actually
takes
it
above
the
500
gear
or
the
0.2
percent
chance
flood,
and
so
we
did
a
significant
amount
of
fill.
That's
working!
It's
been
taking
place
over
there
here
in
the
in
the
recent
months
to
get
it
up
that
level
and
so
the
the
base
flood
elevation
or
the
lowest
level.
The
Finish
floor
will
be
two
feet
above
the
the
100
Year
floodplain.
In
order
to
avoid
that
that
particular
problem.
C
J
You
know
the
thing
that
we
know
about
sewage
is:
nothing
is
cheap
when
it
comes
to
dealing
with
sewage.
So
what
this
particular
request
is
for
is
for
modifications
to
the
scada
system
at
the
wastewater
treatment
plant.
So,
as
some
of
you
may
recall,
in
Project
339
it's
an
ongoing
project.
We
have
to
upgrade
the
Telemetry
system
that
serves
the
Wastewater
side
of
our
utilities,
so
the
various
both
the
the
controls
at
the
plant,
as
well
as
the
various
lift
stations
all
around
the
city.
J
It's
not
connected
to
the
internet,
that's
very,
very
important
from
a
cyber
security
perspective,
and
so
it's
it's
our
own
network
and
it's
a
radio
network
that
goes
and
speaks
to
to
the
various
controls
at
each
one
of
those
facilities
and
internal
the
plant
at
the
plant
itself,
probably
20
years
ago,
or
so
we
established
a
a
controls
mechanism
of
hardware
and
software
with
a
thing
called
device
net,
and
basically
this
is
in
the
age
prior
to
when
ethernet
cabling
was
in
was
capable
of.
Actually,
you
know
running
controls.
J
J
You
know
real
time
remotely
from
from
our
own
Telemetry
system
and
so
I
think
I
can
get
pretty
close
by
increasing
the
appropriation
and
authorizations
on
Project
339
by
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
both
the
device
net
replacement,
as
well
as
the
Telemetry
for
these
these
three
sites.
You
know
it
could
be
that
as
we
get
close
to
that
project,
that
it'll
cost
a
little
bit
more,
but
I
think
this
is
probably
in
the
moment.
C
B
E
E
There
is
a
document
on
our
drive
with
director.
Stone's
letters
and
I.
I
will
just
hand
it
over
to
director
Stone
or,
if
that
is
that
is
the
desire.
I
can
talk
through
the
document,
but
I
think
it
might
be
clear
if
you
go
through
from
the
the
administration's
perspective
of
where
we
are
at
this
point.
J
Since
then
we
have
gotten
a
a
cost
estimate
from
our
existing
Solid
Waste
hauler
on
what
it
would
cost
to
do
an
emergency
contract
basically
to
to
to
to
go
in
another
six
months.
So
what
you
have
in
this
memo
is
you
you
have.
You
know
basically
a
synopsis
on
their
additional
costs
in
order
to
to
let
an
emergency
contract
and
and
kind
of
the
background
with
that,
as
well
as
what
I
believe
what
we
believe
to
be.
The
rate
increases
necessary
to
pay
for
that
emerging
contract
right
now.
J
The
the
garbage
fund
is
is,
is,
you
know,
razor
thin?
You
know
the
garbage
fund
is
set
to
only
take
in
enough
money
to
spend
on
on
the
cost
associated
with
it.
It
doesn't
necessarily
carry
a
balance,
or
you
know
not
like
some
of
these
other
funds
that
we've
discussed
that
have
a
significant
amount
of
unappropriated
balance.
J
It's
it's
really
set
just
to
have
just
enough
money
to
be
able
to
pay
for
that
particular
service,
and
so
any
increase
in
the
contract
cost
is
going
to
require
a
subsequent
increase
in
the
in
the
in
the
rates
that
that
utility
customers
pay
so
bottom
line.
Is
that
I
believe
the
way
ahead
since
we
rejected
the
the
bids
to
go
ahead
and
issue
an
emergency
contract
where
we
obviate
bidding?
J
We
do
have
the
option
of
extending
the
current
contract,
but
that
has
to
be
with
a
mutual
agreement
that
the
current
contract
would
be
extended
at
the
current
price
and
ahrc
has
indicated
they
can't
afford
to
do
that.
So
that's
why
it
has
to
be
a
new
contract.
The
reason
I
say
six
months
is
twofold:
number
one
that
will
give
us
enough
time
to
pull
together
revised
specifications
and
get
a
new
bid
out
on
the
street
number
two
that
lines
up
the
the
new
contract
term
with
our
fiscal
year.
J
I
think
the
reason
right
now
that
that
and
I'm
not
entirely
sure
but
I
believe
the
reason
why
our
our
current
contract
term
lines
up
with
the
state
fiscal
year
is
because
several
contracts
that
go
when
we
initially
bid
this.
We
tried
to
line
it
up
with
Ohio
University
Solid
Waste
bid
and
they're
on
the
state
fiscal
year
of
July
30
through
June,
30th
and
I.
J
If
you
wanted
to-
or
you
could
do
it
now,
it's
fine
to
authorize
server
safety
director
to
advertise,
accept
bids
and
enter
into
a
contract
for
the
lowest
and
best
bidder
for
the
solid
waste
collection
services
will
be
gone
on
January,
1st
2023.
So
that's
my
recommendation
on
on
solid
waste.
These
are
the
numbers
that
I
have
from
them,
and
this
is
what
I
think
we
need
to
do
in
order
to
keep
solid
waste
collection
on
track
for
the
city
of
Athens.
E
Hey
thank
you
and
I
have
a
couple
of
questions
and
I.
Imagine
other
members
of
the
committee
might
also
so
I.
Just
I
went
back
and
looked
at
the
information
from
when
we
were
considering
the
two
bids
that
ended
up
Council
rejected
both
of
those
bids
and
at
that
time
the
estimates
had
we
gone
with
ahrc
or
all
services,
but
not
new
cans.
E
It
was
a
25
increase
across
all
the
rate,
and
this
is
a
37
percent
increase,
so
I'm
wondering
why
doesn't
need
to
be
so
much
more.
Is
that
because
of
ahrc's
price
difference
like
their
estimate
for
their
cost
and
what
they
need
for
it,
a
six-month
contract
is
higher
than
what
they
provided
previously
or
is
it
where
our
budget
stands,
because
I
I
think
doing
a
little
bit
of
math
there
The
increased
cost
is
33.6
percent,
but
the
rate
increase
was
a
37
percent.
E
So
looking
at
just
our
year
to
date,
numbers
when
I
happened
to
pull
was
just
the
end
of
February.
So
it
doesn't
tell
us
too
much
about
this
year,
but
in
just
January
and
February,
the
garbage
fund
brought
in
55
000
less
than
went
out
so
I'm.
Just
as
are
we
are
the
rates
too
low,
even
for
what
our
current
fees
are
or
our
current
costs,
and
so
is
that
why
we
need
as
much
of
an
increase
to
cover
the
six-month
increase
or
or
the
six
months,
I.
J
J
J
Secondly,
you
know
I
I
think
you
may
recall
that,
after
talking,
recycling
requested
more
money
on
the
existing
contract
and
and
this
body
only
granted
a
portion
of
that
request,
so
it's
possible
that
37
versus
the
25
percent
that
you
saw
in
their
bids
for
a
four-year
term
has
to
do
with
trying
to
make
up
some
of
the
losses
that
they
incurred
over
the
time
where
they
requested
more
more
revenue
for
the
the
recent
contract.
But
again
that
would
be
a
guess
on
my
part,
so
I
I
would
encourage
you.
J
E
C
Do
well
I
just
have
a
Clarity
I
want
to
make
sure
that
I
understand
what
director
stone
is
is
asking
and
that
we're
all
clear
on
what
he's
asking
in
the
in
the
letter,
the
last
the
second,
the
last
sentence
of
your
letter.
Finally,
I
am
requesting
legislation
to
advertise,
accept
bids
and
enter
into
a
contract
with
the
lowest
and
best
bidder
for
solid
waste
collection
that
that
what
you're
suggesting
there
is
to
change
the
way.
C
J
J
Certainly
you
know,
obviously,
the
the
the
body
has
the
authority
to
withhold
certain
certain
authorities,
but
I
I
think
it
would
be
in
everyone's
interest
to
to
proceed
in
this
manner
and
and
with
that
I'll
pick
an
authorization
not
to
exceed
in
a
given
year.
That
could
be
a
way
that
you
could
kind
of
put
a
cap
on
on
on
on
that,
and
that
would
be
stuck
in
the
in
the
request
for
advertising.
H
We
can
all
go
back
and
watch
the
video
but
I
remember
very
distinctly.
It
was
a
month
or
two,
not
six.
Now
I
fully
understand
and
agree
with
aligning
this
with
the
calendar
year,
January
1st
through
December
31st.
It
makes
it
much
easier
we're
dealing
with
one
Council
and
not
two
every
other
year,
because
of
that
that
makes
a
tremendous
amount
of
sense.
As
a
does.
H
Your
request,
which
you
and
I,
have
talked
about
for
a
long
time
of
putting
this
bid
where
it
belongs
and
that's
in
the
hands
of
the
administration,
yeah
I'm
afraid
when
the
vote
comes
around
we're
going
to
hear,
we
can't
have
trash
out
on
the
road
and,
while
I
agree
with
that,
we
backed
ourselves
into
this
position
by
throwing
out
those
bids
because
of
a
simple
couple
of
left
open
in
boxes.
There
was
plenty
of
information
in
those
bids
to
make
a
decision.
H
H
But
the
point
is:
how
can
we
go
out
and
talk
to
our
constituents,
the
people
in
our
neighborhoods
and
say
you
know
what
July
1
your
trash
rates
going
up
37,
even
though
we
tried
for
eight
months,
because
we
started
this
in
November
for
eight
months
to
get
a
good
trash
system.
Folks
we're
talking
about
picking
up
garbage
and
compost.
H
H
H
I
have
that
much
faith
and
the
value
you
bring
to
this
community,
but
to
borrow
the
terms
from
fellow
council
members.
All
this
does
is
kick
the
inevitable
down
the
road
where
someone
is
going
to
have
to
make
a
hard
decision
on
what
color
trucks
drive
up
and
down
the
city
streets
of
Athens.
Picking
up
our
trash.
H
C
You,
madam
chair
member
Crow,
thank
you.
I
just
wanted
to
correct
factual
error
in
member
Swank's
comments
and
that
every
single
person
in
this
room
did
not
agree
with
you
on
what
the
best
bid
that
we
received
was
and
I
sat
next
to
you
for
25
minutes
expressing
why
I
felt
one
of
the
bids
was
better
than
the
other
bids.
C
C
That's
all
it
needs
to
say,
for
you
is
the
lowest
bid,
but
the
language
in
the
Ohio,
Revised
Code,
says
the
lowest
and
best
bid.
So
we
need
to
figure
out
what
that
means
when
it's
not
just
the
lowest
bid,
it
is
also
the
lowest
and
best
bid
and
I
tried
to
make
an
argument.
I,
don't
know
if
you
heard
me
about
why
I
felt
one
of
those
bids
was
the
better
bid
and
I
will
continue
to
stand
by
that
argument.
H
H
You
and
I,
and
the
other
three
people
up
here
could
start
a
trash
company.
Tomorrow,
it's
not
difficult.
You
go
out
and
get
yourself
some
trucks
you
drive
up
and
down
the
road
you
throw
the
stuff
in
the
back
of
the
truck
when
the
truck's
full
you
take
it
to
the
dumping
place
you
rinse
and
repeat
in
terms
of
recycling.
You
find
yourself
a
Murph
who
will
take
as
much
recyclable
material
as
possible
as
much
recyclable
material
as
possible,
which
a
couple
of
us
learned
about
a
couple
weeks
ago.
H
E
E
E
We,
we
could
discuss
the
previous
actions
in
the
previous
bids
and
the
pros
and
cons
of
what
has
already
happened,
but
we
cannot
go
back
and
change
the
previous
actions.
However,
we
can
look
at
our
options
moving
forward
and
I
would
appreciate
if
our
conversations
could
focus
on
that
at
this
time,
because.
H
E
I
am
absolutely
concerned
about
this
new
proposed
rate,
which
is
why
I
had
the
questions
that
I
did
because
had
we
gone
with
Athens
Hocking
recycling,
but
based
on
on
the
data
that
we
had
available,
the
in
the
proposed
increase
rate
to
cover
the
expenses
for
that
contract
would
have
been
25,
which
is
High,
but
now
to
cover
a
six-month
contract.
We're
looking
at
a
37
percent
increase.
E
E
H
The
ultimate
question
is:
who
controls
the
contract
or
will
control
the
contract?
Will
Council
decide
to
keep
it
or
will
we
transfer
that
responsibility
to
the
administration
seems
to
me?
That
might
be
the
first
thing
we
want
to
decide,
because
if
we're
going
to
be
forced
to
extend
the
contract
for
whatever
period
of
time,
it
would
be
nice
to
know
who's
responsible
for
granting
subsequent
contracts.
E
E
Yes,
just
just
for
clarity
and
it
again,
it
is
not
extending
a
contract
with
ahrc.
It
would
be
a
new
six-month
contract.
There
is
not
an
option
to
extend
the
current,
and
so
but
I
at
this
point,
I
feel
that
they
are
two
separate
issues
and
I'm
I,
don't
see
that
there's
a
e
importance
and
which
is
decided
first,
are
there
questions
from
other
members
of
council
or
comments
thoughts?
G
G
So
I
I
feel
as
though
this
may
be
purposefully,
as
was
mentioned
before,
kicking
the
can
down
the
road,
perhaps
to
avoid
making
a
decision,
maybe
I'm
wrong
about
that.
But
it
does
bring
that
thought
to
mind
so
I
I'm
I,
again
I'm
puzzled
by
why
we
can't
by
the
administ
why
the
administration
can't
come
up
with
a
new
bidding
process
and
then
do
an
emergency
decision
about
accepting
a
bid.
So
we
can
move
forward
with
this
rather
than
waiting
so
long,
so
I
I.
F
Can
begin
and
then
I'm
going
to
let
director
Stone
take
that
on
I
think
councilmember
Swank
kind
of
hit
the
nail
on
the
head
you
mentioned
eight
months
ago,
working
on
this,
and
that
was
eight
months
of
you
and
councilmember
Crowell
and
the
city's
team
figuring
out
how
to
put
this
together.
So
this
isn't
something
that
happens
overnight
to
sit
and
figure
out
the
metric.
Now
the
language
is
changing
to
where
it's,
the
lowest
and
best
I
can't
recall
what
the
former
language
was,
but
it
was
different.
F
The
metrics
can
change
based
upon
how
we're
framing
this
and
as
we
move
forward.
So
it's
not
something
that's
going
to
happen
overnight.
I
would
like
to
continue
to
have
input
coming
from
council
member
Swank
and
council
member
Krell
because
they
were
involved
in
it
from
the
very
beginning
to
where
we're
getting
this
right.
So
you
know
it's
going
to
take
us.
It
took
eight
months
to
get
to
this
point.
G
Thank
you
mayor,
however,
because
it
took
eight
months
and
I
didn't
hear
anybody
say
that
there
was
something
wrong
with
the
bidding
process.
I
think
there
was
language
in
there
that
was
not
just
the
lowest.
So
in
my
mind
it
was
a
pretty
good
request
and
didn't
need
much
change
at
all.
So
unless
I
didn't
hear
anybody
else
saying
that
it
needed
a
lot
of
change
either
maybe
I'm
wrong,
but
I
didn't
hear
that.
So
to
me,
it's
really
just
maybe
a
few
tweaks
and
sending
it
out
again
again.
G
E
So
yes
to
to
make
the
question
very
pointed:
could
essentially
the
same
bid
request
go
out
if,
if
the
metrics,
the
terms,
what
we
are
seeking
as
a
city
is
essentially
the
same
as
what
was
worked
on
by
the
group,
but
with
very
clear,
bold
highlighted
instructions
be
sure
to
complete
every
section
in
your
bid.
Application.
J
You
know
my
recommendation
is
what
you
have
in
front
of
you
and
it's
the
past
three
piece
of
legislation
and
that's
what
I'm
recommending
and
you
can
choose
to
do
something
differently.
As
a
group
you
can
choose
to
speed
up
when
that
new
bid
would
be
would
would
take
effect.
You
know
right
now,
I'm
asking
you
to
make
it
take
effect
on
January
1st,
because
I
think
that's
the
best
alignment
with
the
amount
of
time
that
we'll
take
to
pull
this
together
and
also
to
align
with
the
city's
fiscal
year.
J
That
said,
if
you
want
to
direct
me
to
do
something
faster
than
that,
I'll
do
my
best
to
do
something
faster
than
that,
but
I
mean
that's
a
decision
that
this
body
has
to
make
collectively
and
pass
legislation
that
that
has
a
majority
number
of
people
vote
to
tell
me
what
to
do
on
this
and
I'll.
Do
it
in
the
terms
of
the
changes
to
the
to
the
existing
bid
documents.
J
There
were
a
number
of
exceptions
that
that
one
of
the
bidders
submitted
to
that
that
made
it
difficult
to
evaluate
and
those
exceptions,
and
those
were
things
that
that
you
know
we
had
a
problem
with
particularly
so
we
would
have
to
modify
those
documents
to
say
you
know
whether
or
not
we
would
accept
such
exceptions.
So
you
know,
do
I
think
we
can
do
it
a
little
faster.
Probably
we
could
do
it
a
little
faster
than
that
time
frame,
but
I
think
it
makes
sense
to
have
it
line
up
with
the
with
a
calendar
year.
J
E
That's
something
that
council
could
also
consider
and
I
I
hate
to
bring
that
up
at
that,
suggesting
that
we
enter
into
a
contract
with
rates
higher
than
what
our
our
income
in
that
fund
would
be.
But
a
37
percent,
immediate
price
rate
and
garbage
rates
I
think
is-
is
pretty
staggering
and
so
I
just
and
this
is
this
is
pretty
new
information
for
all
of
us.
As
you
said,
we
only
got
this
this
evening,
so
I'm,
trying
to
think
of
ways
that
we
could
perhaps
soften
the
blow
on
the
residents
and
work
through
this
temporarily.
B
B
Okay,
is
there
any
indication
or
sign
or
something
that
would
tell
us
ahead
of
time
that
once
we
enter
into
a
four-year
contract,
the
rate
will
not
stay
at
37
percent?
Were
they
out
of
the
goodness
of
their
heart,
say:
okay,
we
got
a
four-year
contract.
We're
gonna,
knock
it
back
down
to
25
percent
I,
don't
see
anything
here,
that's
going
to
tell
me
that
may.
J
J
Although
we
could
look
at
you
know,
we
could
look
at
ways
to
get
more
bidders.
That
would
be
a
way
we
could
do
it.
That's
something
that
there's
a
little
bit
of
risk
with
that,
because,
honestly,
the
more
more
bidders
in
this
Arena
means
smaller
haulers
that
that
aren't
necessarily
set
up
to
handle
a
city
of
our
size.
But
you
know
more
bidders
would
be
a
way
perhaps
to
to
you
know,
achieve
a
more
Competitive
Edge
on
on
bidding.
B
What
I
I
hear
is
this
statement
from
them
that
we
cannot
afford
to
continue
at
this
at
our
present
rate,
we
need
more
money.
On
the
other
hand,
can
they
afford
not
to
have
our
business
I
mean
to
me.
It
looks
like
if
we,
if,
for
whatever
reason,
I'm
not
suggesting
what
it
is,
but
if
on
July
the
1st
there's
no
contract
and
they
decide
not
to
pick
up,
how
are
they
going
to
make
their
payroll?
How
are
they
going
to
pay
the
gas?
B
B
J
C
C
So
we
can't
just
take
the
same
set
of
materials
and
we
can
put
them
back
out
there,
but
this
is
what
we're
this
is
we're
going
to
get
I
mean
I,
don't
know
why
they
said
that
as
a
matter
of
their
business
policy.
They
don't
agree
to
those
terms
yeah
so
that
you
know
we.
We
we've
just
heard
some
some
testimony
up
here
that
we
shouldn't
have
thrown
out
contracts
right
and
I'm
wondering
about
going
forward.
If
we
do
decide,
okay
well,
let's
now
adjust
the
bidding
process
and
change.
C
C
So
there
were
reasons
why
the
the
bidding
process
did
not
work
and
that's
I'm,
not
saying
that's
a
good
thing,
but
that
is
I
think
a
real
hurdle.
The
exceptions
to
the
contract,
the
city
of
Athens
put
out.
Are
we
going
to
just
kowtow
that
and
say:
okay,
let's,
let's,
let's
change
what
we've
asked.
Thank
you.
C
H
H
H
I
used
to
write
a
hundred
a
year
and
a
quarter
of
them
involve
negotiations
simply
because
some
of
the
things
in
the
bid
just
didn't
make
sense.
We
had
people
asking
for
page
maker
4.1
to
submit
Pages
for
their
yearbooks
seven
years
after
InDesign
came
out.
Where
are
you
going
to
find
pacemaker
4.1,
but
it
was
in
the
bid
negotiation.
It's
part
of
the
process,
but
I
have
this
question
for
Mr
Stone
the
stone.
Is
it
really
about
when
this
thing
starts
the
contract
or
when
it
ends?
H
We
could
start
it
in
August.
We
could
start
it
in
October
as
long
as
the
ending
date
is
December
31st
of
some
year.
That
would
then
get
us
on
that
calendar
year.
In
other
words,
the
contract
wouldn't
run
from
August
1st
to
July
31st.
It
would
run
from
August
1st
to
December
31st
of
that
year,
January
1
to
31st,
so
on
and
so
forth.
So
after
one
contract
cycle
we're
back
on
that
calendar
year,
so
we
wouldn't
have
to
wait
till
January
1st
to
start
this
thing.
H
J
H
We,
we
might
very
well
get
a
very
wide
range
of
bids
and
somebody
can
come
in
here
and
blow
the
socks
off
everybody.
Do
we
automatically
take
that
so
I
guess
what
I'm
getting
at
you
asked
us
before
and
do
we
need
to
do
this
before
we
move
forward
in
our
mind?
What
does
the
four-letter
word
best
mean
because
I
don't
think
we
ever
answered
your
question.
G
It
seems
like
that's
pretty
simple,
just
make
the
first
year,
15
months
or
whatever
it
is
to
address
that
issue,
but
it
but
tweaking
what
we
already
put
out
there
and
insisting
that
every
point
be
discussed
and
if
there
is
anything
that
they
need
to
negotiate
it's
before
they
come
back
with
full
numbers
and
and
and
say
this
is
it
so?
Yes,
you
need
to
negotiate.
I,
don't
have
a
problem
with
that.
That
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
G
There
can
be
things
that
seem
a
little
funny,
but
it
seems
as
though
it
it
makes
no
sense
to
submit
your
bid
and
saying
well
we're
not
going
to
talk
about
this
talk
about
it
before
you
submit
it
and
and
get
those
things
on
the
table
and
resolve
and
then
say:
okay,
we've
made
a
decision
here.
This
is
what
you're
going
to
bid
that
to
me
makes
sense.
I
I
Based
on
all
the
comments
from
the
public
and
other
city
workers,
their
opinions
on
it,
I
think
it'd
be
and
I
I
think
that
that's
like
a
good
thing,
like
I,
think
it'd
be
interesting
to
look
back
at
the
recorded
live
sessions
of
the
City
Council
meetings.
To
hear
why
everyone
was
really
passionate
about
their
feelings
on
trash
which
I
I
would
totally
agree
it.
It
is
there's!
No.
How
do
they
say
it?
There's
no
on
skilled
labor
and
picking
up
trash
is
not
an
unskilled
job
and
I
started.
I
Thinking
about
like
what
was
going
on
in,
like
the
1400s
I,
don't
know,
maybe
there's
a
trash,
buggy
but
I
think
back
in
the
day,
people
have
dealt
with
their
on
their
own,
and
now
it's
I
mean
it's
literally.
The
world's
problem,
like
climate
change
plastic
in
the
ocean,
like
are
we
gonna,
have
people
who
don't
give
a
about.
I
I
E
I,
don't
I
certainly
don't
feel
that
there
was
a
clear
consensus
in
terms
of
what
is
the
correct,
Next
Step
I
think
we
have
a
lot
of
different
ideas
and
I
I'm
filling
in
on
a
substitute
basis
as
chair
today,
oh
I
I,
certainly
don't
want
to
say
that,
oh
you
know
remember,
McCarey
is
chair
of
this
committee
is
going
to
bring
forward
the
legislation.
That's
obviously
not
fair,
any
member
of
the
committee
or
a
council
and
bring
forward
legislation
related
to
this
topic.
I
believe
that
is
correct.
E
E
I
felt
that
that
their
the
missing
information
in
their
bid
was
less
significant
than
the
missing
information
in
the
other
bid,
but
that
that
our
our
legal
guidance
didn't
recommend
that
that
we
move
forward
in
that
manner,
and
so
we
we
did
know
when
we
made
that
decision
that
it
would
likely
result
in
a
time
crunch
issue
because
of
an
expiring
contract.
So
I
don't
know
what
the
next
step
is.
B
Let
me
speak
as
president
pro
tem.
We
already
have
a
request
from
the
administration
to
bring
ordinances
forward
next
Monday
and
there's
in
our
procedures.
That's
usually
been
the
way
that
things
get
on
the
agenda
as
the
administration
comes
to
the
clerk
and
they
put
an
agenda
together
and
it's
sent
out
by
what
Thursday
okay
usually
so,
it
would
seem
to
me
that
the
way
to
go
forward
is
to
honor
the
request.
The
administration
submits
their
versions
of
the
ordinances
of
the
ideas
that
they
want
to
put
forward
and
then
being
a
first
reading.
B
H
So
in
that
case,
let's
say
for
second
example
that
Mr
Stone
and
the
mayor
look
at
this
they've
listened
closely
tonight
and
come
back
and
and
draft
a
couple
pieces
of
legislation
to
address
these
two
topics:
get
it
to
the
clerk
by
closing
business
on
Wednesday
or
is
it
Thursday
Wednesday?
That's
what
I
thought
and
at
the
same
time,
a
council
member
or
two
drafts,
a
piece
of
legislation
or
two
addressing
these
same
two
things
and
submits
them
by
Wednesday.
E
E
We
have
a
proposal
for
a
six-month
contract
that
has
an
average
cost
of
a
hundred
and
seventy
one
thousand
dollars
per
month
for
the
six
month,
contract
through
ahrc,
and
that
contract
would
cover
Solid,
Waste
hauling
for
the
city
July
through
December,
and
so
there
was
the
request
for
legislation
to
authorize
the
declare,
a
real
and
present
emergency
to
obviate
the
bidding
process
and
allow
the
service
safety
director
to
enter
into
that
six-month
contract.
Then
there
is
a
separate
bit
of
legislation
needed
to
address
the
funding
shortfall.
E
E
F
E
A
B
J
Thank
you,
president
Reisner
and
committee
chair
Reisner.
While
this
is
sit
in
the
transportation
committee
really
is
a.
This
is
another
Services
issue,
it's
related
to
sewage
again,
and
what
this
is
is
the
authorization
to
to
purchase
a
a
dual
axle
dump
truck.
This
will
be
larger
than
any
dump
truck
that
we
currently
have
in
the
city,
fleet
and
it'll
be
dedicated
to
the
wastewater
treatment
plant
for
the
collection
of
sludge.
J
This
is
kind
of
the
last
step
in
our
process
of
moving
from
liquid
land
applied
sludge
to
dewatered
sludge
that
we
truck
either
to
a
landfill
or
to
to
other
applications
that
we
can
find
as
a
way
to
dispose
of
the
sludge
we
placed
150
000
in
the
operating
budget
to
purchase
said
truck
this
year,
but
obviously
we
have
to
have
an
authorization.
We
have
a
price
quote
right
now
on
state
bid
for
approximately
160
000.
J
J
I
mean
it's
a
dual
axle
truck.
Probably
you
know
in
the
10
ton
range
I.
Think
I
don't
have
the
exact
number.
It's
not
quite
a
20
ton
truck
like
with
the
multiple
axles
like
you
would
see.
You
know,
hauling,
hauling,
gravel
and
everything
else,
but
it's
it's
bigger
than
the
single
axles.
We
have
to
move
salt.
H
J
You
know
if
I
you
know,
if
I
were
to
what
we're
doing
right
now
is
positioning
at
the
dumpster,
and
then
we
call
it.
I
have
dumpster
pulled
by
by
trash
hauler,
which
relates
to
our
previous
conversation,
we're
not
permitted
to
take
more
than
one
load
per
day
to
the
recycling,
to
the
to
the
former
kill,
Barger,
currently
Rumpke
landfill
in
in
Athens
and
Hocking
County
at
the
county
line
up
there.
J
H
J
No
and
the
reason
that
I
say
that
is
biosolids
are
a
are
a
extremely
regulated
activity
and
we
have
a
cradle
to
grave
responsibility
for
those
and
if
you
are
hiring
a
contractor
to
take
that
responsibility,
you
are
paying
a
significant
premium
for
that
Cradle
to
grave
activity
where
they're
basically
owning
those
biosods.
And
it's
because
it's
a
it's
a
you
know
it's
a
highly
regulated
activity
by
the
EPA,
and
you
know
what
we
were
stuck
in
before.
J
If
we
go
in
the
way
back
machine
to
when
we
lost
our
sludge,
hauling
contractor
and
and
our
Fields
became
too
rich
that
we
couldn't
land
apply
there
any
longer
was
we
were
paying
a
slides,
holler,
a
very
significant
premium
to
bring
in
equipment,
dewater
sludge
and
then
truck
it
away
for
us
and
own
that
Cradle
to
grave
process
and
Lisa
still
had
at
least
our
plant
manager
still
had
to
do.
A
tremendous
amount
of
additional
paperwork
plus
pay
a
significant
amount.
H
J
Are
there
are
that's
a
good
question
member
Swank,
while
it
will
be
primarily
devoted
to
moving
sludge,
there
will
be
opportunities
if
we
say
have
a
significant
Earth
moving
operation
somewhere
that
we
want
to
do
internal
to
the
city.
We
could
go.
Okay,
Lisa,
stick
the
cork
in
it
at
the
plant
for
a
little
while
we're
going
to
take
this
for
several
days
and
we're
going
to
run
Earth
and
then
we'll
get
it
back
to
you
and
then
you'll
you'll
then
produce
ND
water
sludge.