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Athens City Council - May 8, 2023
B
And
welcome
to
Athens
city
council,
it's
Monday
May,
8th
at
7
pm
tonight
we
have
two
areas
of
business.
The
first
will
be
that
we
have
a
special
session
and
we,
as
our
item
of
business
school
as
normal,
establish
our
Quorum.
All
members
of
council
are
present
here
and
our
next
item
of
business
is
an
executive
session,
and
so
that's
somewhat
unusual.
It
often
comes
at
the
end
of
our
business
meeting,
but
tonight
it's
coming
at
the
beginning
of
our
committee
meetings.
B
What
happens
is
that
we
make
a
motion
to
go
into
executive
session
and
I
do
a
roll
call
vote,
and
then
we
will.
We
ask
those
in
the
audience
who
are
not
part
of
the
executive
session
to
exit
we
close
the
doors
we
have
the
executive
session
when
we
are
ended
with
that.
We
open
the
doors
and
have
folks
come
back
in,
and
we
will
then
proceed
with
the
rest
of
the
committee
committees
that
are
meeting
tonight.
C
B
D
B
Okay,
thank
you
so
yeah
the
remaining
two
people
in
our
audience
tonight
and
our
beloved
Clerk
of
counsel
will
exit
and
we
will
try
and
be
as
efficient
as
we
can
efficient,
but
thorough.
B
B
You
might
remember
that
Mr
Joe
Ritchie
was
here
with
us
a
month
or
so
ago
to
talk
with
us
about
the
steps
that
would
be
required
for
that
Community
Authority.
Some
legislation
to
petition
to
have
that
happen
also
a
CRA
and
a
chip
agreement
and
Mr
Richie
and
Chastity
schmeltzenbach
with
Buckeye
Hills,
have
been
working
with
law.
Director,
Eliason
and
they've
also
been
working
with
the
university
to
in
Tandem
and
move
documents
forward
that
are
needed
if
Council
and
the
University
are
ready
to
move
forward
on
approval.
E
Members,
thank
you
for
having
me
it's
a
pleasure
to
be
back
in
front
of
you.
I
am
giving
an
update
on
the
formation
of
the
new
community
Authority
and
the
work
with
Ohio
University.
There
are,
as
you
know,
many
steps
involved
in
this
first
and
foremost,
is
the
submission
of
a
petition
to
create
a
new
community
Authority,
and
then
the
hearings
and
discussions
that
follow
that,
and,
hopefully
your
approval
of
that,
including
the
naming
of
initial
trustees,
the
in
conjunction
with
that
a
purchase,
contract
or
site
control
is
required.
E
So
we
find
we're
finalizing
that
purchase
agreement.
All
of
it's
subject
to
the
Department
of
administrative
Services
approval,
so
there
there
are
many.
There
are
many
steps
involved
in
that,
so
the
purchase
contract
needs
to
be
our
site.
Control
needs
to
be
attached
to
the
petition,
so
we
hope
to
have
that
completed
and
ready
to
submit
to
you
later
this
week
than
your
scheduled
hearings.
However,
however,
those
turn
out,
the
intention
is
to
to
have
a
a
approval
from
the
Board
of
Trustees
at
Ohio
University
on
their
June
15th
meeting.
E
So
that's
coming
up.
There
would
not
be
a
transfer
at
that
time,
they're
just
hopefully,
the
creation
of
the
new
community
Authority
will
occur
around
then
and
then
we'd
be
moving
forward
on
many
other
steps,
which
include
submission
for
lot
splits
and
Zoning,
because
it
will
all
come
under
your
regulation,
so
there
there's
much
to
do.
But
the
first
steps
are
the
creation
of
the
new
community
Authority,
introducing
legislation
for
a
creation
of
a
community
reinvestment
act
and
tax
increment
financing.
For
that,
because
that's
the
underpinnings
of
the
infrastructure
investment
that
has
to
be
made.
E
So
those
are
the
component
pieces,
we've
also
discussed
and
have,
as
part
of
the
framework
plan,
some
limited
use
of
some
of
the
property
that
is
owned
by
the
city
of
Athens.
Now
that
is
subject
to
the
recreational
use,
restrictions,
I
think
in
the
deed
of
transfer
from
the
state
of
Ohio.
So
we
want
to
be
able
to
I.
We
don't
have
to
talk
about
that
today,
but
we
want
to
be
able
to
talk
about
the
potential
for
using
some
of
that
land
I'm
speaking
specifically
of
the
the
ball
field
off
of
Park
Drive.
E
F
One
and
it's
one
I
often
ask
when
it
comes
to
projects
like
this
20
plus
years
ago.
My
wife
and
I
were
one
of
the
first
12
people
to
buy
an
option
on
a
lot
or
choice
of
lots
at
University
States,
a
golf
community,
as
we
all
know,
the
golf
course
never
materialized
and
fortunately
we
were
able
to
get
our
option
back
and
we
all
know
there'll
be
no
Golf
Course
up
on
the
hill.
Unless
we
keep
that
miniature
golf
course,
which
I
hope
we
can.
E
So
the
first
area
that
could
be
developed
is
a
very
limited
area
of
about
seven
acres
along
Dairy
Lane,
it's
adjacent
to
infrastructure,
that's
going
in
it's
on
a
public
road
with
zoning
it'd
be
possible
to
build
Town
Homes
limited
number
of
town
homes
for
home
ownership
in
2024..
So
that's
a
liftoff
of
that
because
it's
one
discreet
site
and
it's
adjacent
to
infrastructure
by
way
of
context,
buildings,
two
three
and
four,
which
are
the
largest
unrestored
historic
buildings.
E
That's
the
big
Wing
next
to
the
museum
that
requires
about
two
years
of
competition
for
funding.
So
it's
tax-exempt
bond.
This
is
senior
housing
with
service
enrichment.
So
a
lot
of
moving
a
lot
of
components
that
go
into
that,
including
full
set
of
architectural
and
Engineering
figuring
out
that
how
the
building
would
be
reused,
its
cost
and
then
competing
for
funding,
so
that
that
has
a
longer
Horizon
just
to
get
to
the
Starting
Gate.
But
within
that
there
are
many
components
that
can
go
forward.
E
A
G
I
would
just
like
to
say
that
I
have
sat
in
on
at
least
one
of
your
two
I.
Think
of
your
informational
sessions
and
I
am
very
pleased
with
what
I've
seen
so
far
and
the
people
that
I've
spoken
to
about
it
and
what
I've
read
about
it
seems
like
a
very
sane
and
and
logical
and
a
great
benefit
to
the
community
when
it's
in
process
and
when
it's
done
so
I
am
very
much
in
favor
of
what
you're
doing.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
H
Councilmember
Grace
I
would
just
Echo
much
of
what
member
spielness
said
and
but
also
reflect
back
several
years
in
discussions
with
affordable
housing,
commission
and
our
our
city
planner,
as
far
as
what
locations
in
town
would
be
ideal
sites
to
have
some
housing
and
specifically
some
senior
housing
as
far
as
access
to
University
and
other
amenities
and
transportation,
and
this
was
one
of
the
locations
that
we
always
talked
about
and
I
also
am
very
excited
about
the
possibility
of
of
this
plan
coming
to
fruition.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you.
B
So
what
we're
approaching
is
hopefully,
as
the
university
is
moving
forward,
the
city
is
moving
forward
on
the
process.
The
concept
of
the
community
Authority
and
Mr
retchy
you'll
be
working
with
law
director
Eliason.
To
make
sure
we
have
all
the
documents
in
possession
I'm,
not
sure.
If
we're
ready,
we'll
have
to
see
if
we're
ready
for
May
15.,
it
could
be
as
early
as
that
for
some
of
the
first
ordinances
to
move
through.
E
B
Does
and
we
have
a
tight
timeline
with
our
Clerk
of
council
too,
with
tomorrow,
tomorrow
noon,
and
so
we
can
maybe
see
some
other
items
coming
forward
later
in
the
week.
But
most
of
the
documents
need
to
be
in
place
by
tomorrow
noon.
If
we
can.
E
B
E
E
The
petition
is
the
one
that
has
the
lead
time.
The
30-day
lead
time
the
others
can
be
put
in
it.
Sequentially
yeah,
okay,
I
mean
we
can
get
it
all
in
now,
but
the
timing
of
it
is
more
sensitive
for
the
new
community
Authority,
because
it's
a
state
mandated
30
days.
I
Get
a
question
for
you
Mr
achievement,
and
this
has
to
do
with
council's
calendar.
Is
it
a
problem
at
all,
with
July
being
council's
recess
to
where
they're
out
from
July
1
through
the
end
of
July.
A
E
That's
actually
critical
I
mean
council,
president
has
been
very,
very
precise
about
how
to
fit
in
the
schedule,
and
her
point
is
while
taking.
We
have
to
get
it
done
now
in
order
to
fit
into
that
schedule.
B
E
A
B
Problem:
okay!
Thank
you.
Okay.
Thank
you
all
right,
we'll
move
on
to
the
next
item,
which
is
the
Ukraine
sister
Mentor
cities,
program
and
I
believe
that
first
came
up
for
Council
discussion
on
April,
10th
and
mayor
Patterson
had
approached
an
organization
based
in
the
state
in
the
midwest
but
I'm
forgetting
Indianapolis.
B
Thank
you
very
much,
and
and
this
would
be
to
establish
relations
with
austro
Ukraine,
which
is
in
the
western
one
of
the
western
provinces,
and
has
a
good
deal
of
similarity
in
that
it
has
a
pop
population
similar
to
ours
and
in
size
and
number,
and
also
the
largest
and
oldest
university
in
Ukraine
from
the
1500s
and
so
many
many
opportunities
and
as
I,
understand.
There's
what
you
are
seeking
is
a
resolution
from
city
council
to
proceed
with
this.
B
It's
not
a
contractual
or
a
legal
obligation,
but
more
of
a
good
relations
kind
of
the
the
director
in
Indianapolis
describes
it
as
the
modern
day
version
of
the
Marshall
Plan.
So
we're
offering
opportunities
for
us
to
learn
from
them
with
a
with
a
long-established
university,
with
lots
of
traditions
there
and
then
our
our
work
with
our
committees
and
Zoning.
They
also
mentions
very
specifically
municipal
waste
disposal
systems
and
developing
local
leadership.
So
these
are
the
next
steps
and
I
believe
you
had
a
few
questions,
one
of
which
was
with
the
Beaufort
North
Carolina
agreement.
I
This
absolutely
this
would,
in
fact
be
a
three
ready,
three
reading
ordinance
or
a
three
reading
resolution.
I
I
I
was
approached
at
the
National
League
of
cities
by
the
the
hoverla
project
under
usaid
and
in
there
there
is
a
statement
that
says
that,
subject
of
the
contract,
the
parties
agreed
to
develop
economic,
cultural
tourism
cooperations
to
strengthen
friendly
relations
and,
where
appropriate,
to
assist
each
other
through
financial
support
and
charitable
slash
humanitarian
assistance
in
accordance
with
these
Mutual
interests,
as
the
law
director
and
I
were
looking
at.
This
I
did
raise
that
question
with
spitlana,
about
the
give
me
more
information
on
the
financial
assistance
and
what
that
means.
I
She
did
send
me
a
response.
Councilmember
president
president,
nicely
I
think
I
sent
that
on
to
you
in
there.
She
gave
some
examples.
If
you
know,
for
instance,
the
city
were
to
find
that
we
no
longer
had
need
for
a
pumper
truck
that
was
aged
out
in
our
our
inventory.
Yet
it
still
had
some
serviceable
life.
We
do
this
with
other
municipalities
throughout
you
know,
Athens,
County
or
Southeastern
Ohio
is
that
we
can
donate
it.
I
It's
interesting
he
indicated
to
me
that
they
have
channels
of
shipment
shipping
that
can
actually
and
have
funders
who
could
actually
get
something
across
the
pond
relatively
inexpensively.
Another
example
would
be
if
the
city
were
to
reach
higher
bulletproof
vests
by
the
police
department.
That,
too,
is
something
that
it's
a
city
asset.
If
the
council
so
chose
that
we
could
donate
those
to
austro,
something
like
that
would
fit.
The
other
thing
would
be
fundraisers.
I
You
know
if,
if
not,
that
the
city
does
fund
Raiders,
but
this
kind
of
keeps
things
open
for
the
city
to
where,
if
there's
someone
who
wants
to
do
a
fundraising,
5K
or
something
along
those
lines
that
fundraising
can
take
place
to
help
support
the
efforts
going
on
in
Ukraine
with
the
unjust
conflict
that
another
country
has
imposed
on
that
Sovereign
Nation.
I
So
I
want
to
make
that
clear.
We
can
actually
put
into
an
ordinance
or
in
the
resolution
that
the
city
will
not
be
using
funds
from
the
general
fund,
for
you
know
any
financial
assistance,
so
we
can
be
very
clear
on
that,
but
other
potentially
disposable
assets
that
may
be
abused
to
to
them.
We
could
the
other
question
that
came
up
council
member
spielness.
You
had
asked
the
question
about
the
sister
city
relationship
with
with:
where
is
it.
A
I
South
Carolina
I
I
did
ask
that
question,
and
the
answer
I
got
back
is
that
they
are
not
a
sister
city
agreement
through
uscad,
nor
are
they
through
the
hoverland
project.
So
that's
not
in
place.
I
also
did
a
little
sleuthing
of
my
own
and
came
across
a
Beaufort,
South
Carolina
newspaper
that
spoke
to
that,
and
apparently
it
was
just
a
verbal
agreement
between
the
mayor
in
austro
and
the
mayor
of
Beaufort
to
say
yep,
let's
be
sister
city,
so
it's
not
even
through
the
international
sister
city
program
that
they
have
that
relationship.
I
So
it's
just
one
that
the
two
Mayors
must
have
struck
somehow
some
way
unlikely
in
support
of
the
again
the
unjust
conflict,
that's
being
levied
on
Ukraine,
so
I
wanted
to
get
that
information
because
it
was
asked
of
me
out
to
council
so
now
so.
B
The
resolution
would
authorize
you
to
sign
the
agreement,
correct
and
then
I
think.
It
also
calls
for
a
suggestion
forming
a
committee
that
we'll
review
and
figure
out
how
we're
going
to
meet
and
we
have
Scott.
Maybe
we
have
the
government
channels,
expertise
on
Zoom
meetings
might
be
a
possibility.
I
don't
know.
G
Before
looking
that
up
may
I
appreciate
it
I
it,
it
occurred
to
me
that
I've
been
somewhat
involved
with
the
Bobcats
for
Ukraine
and
and
other
fundraising
efforts
by
there's
a
couple
of
different
organizations
in
the
community
trying
to
support
Ukraine,
and
it
seemed
as
though
it
might
be
kind
of
logical
to
perhaps
talk
to
them
about
this
and
include
them
in
a
committee,
perhaps
or
at
least
make
them
aware
that
this
is
something
that's
happening,
because
you
know
they
go
over
fairly
regularly
with
supplies
and
whatnot
and
if
there's
some
way
to
coordinate
with
another
city
like
this,
perhaps
that
would
help
them
in
their
cause
of
getting
stuff
done
and
I
think
give
some
credibility
to
our
community
in
the
eyes
of
this
city
that
I
can't
pronounce
yet,
but
so
I
I
think,
there's
multiple
good
possibilities
for
that.
J
Thank
you
president
nicely
just
a
quick
comment
and
I'm
not
sure
anybody
here
can
answer
this
question.
J
I
It's
interesting,
I
believe
I
sent
everything
to
council
I
think
what
happened
was
just
the
English
portion
of
the
contract
was
what
council
has
it
is
written
in
Ukrainian.
It
has
been
looked
at
and
the
language
in
both
these
on
for
the
Ukrainian
version
and
ours
is
the
same.
The
language
is
the
same.
Okay.
F
F
Here's
my
thought,
and
this
unfortunately
politicized
world
that
we
live
in
today,
that
this
Council
were
to
pass
a
resolution
that
was
so
philosophically
out
of
line
with
the
culture
of
this
city.
Would
that
be
considered
something
detrimental
and
if
so,
does
number
eight
tie
our
hands
on
things
that
we
could
take
a
position
on.
F
Take
okay,
I
guess
when
it
comes
to
mind
I'm,
not
sure
of
in
Ukraine
in
this
city
what
the
predominant
religion
is,
if
okay,
so
if
we
were
to
take
a
position
past
the
resolution
say
in
support
of
Reproductive
Rights.
I
I,
don't
believe
so
I
mean
if
we
I'm
trying
to
be
really
careful
here.
If
in
this
current
climate,
and
what's
going
on
right
now
in
Ukraine
with
the
country
that
is
trying
to
take
what
is
not
theirs
from
a
Sovereign
Nation
and
we
are
to
sit
there
and
say
boy,
we
support
that
Nation.
I
That
would
certainly
be
detrimental
to
Ukraine
and
I
think
grounds
for
dissolving
any
relationship
between
the
two,
that's
kind
of
the
extreme
example
to
give
you
but
I
think
it's
a
pertinent
example
for
this
particular
statement
when
it
comes
to
our
position
on
on
bodily
autonomy-
and
you
know
women's
reproductive
Health
Care,
you
know
it
that'll.
That
applies
to
us
and
applies
to
where
the
way
we
believe
in
things,
it
doesn't
necessarily
say.
Okay,
because
we're
doing
this,
you
need
to
be
in
alignment
with
us
on
this
topic.
B
Right
I
would
argue
that
our
laws
have
jurisdiction
here,
but
it
doesn't
necessarily
apply
that,
for
any
reason,
we're
promoting
a
particular
position
for
them
to
take
I
think
this
is
more
of
an
exchange
of
ideas.
How
do
things
work?
How
do
you
get
through
a
rough
meeting?
How
do
you
get
through
contract
negotiations?
That
kind
of
thing
and.
F
B
A
K
C
B
I
think
in
principle
it
sounds
like
that
that
council
is
supportive
of
moving
forward
with
this
and
in
the
interest
of
the
many
items
we
have
tonight
to
discuss,
I'd
like
to
move
forward
any
other
comments,
mayor
Patterson.
I
I'll
just
be
really
brief.
You
know,
in
my
understanding,
with
the
government
structures
in
Ukraine
right
now
and
in
particular,
some
of
you
know
a
city
like
austro.
They
want
to
truly
understand
how
our
government
runs,
because
they
are
trying
to
decentralize
their
governments
as
opposed
to
having
Regional
governments
and
everyone's
just
kind
of
it's
it's
very
different
and
they
and
that's
the
whole
play
or
plan
I
should
say
for
this
whole
program
is
for
us
as
a
government
to
to
educate
and
also
learn
from
what
they're
doing
as.
A
B
L
Thank
you,
president
nicely.
We
have
one
broad
topic
on
our
city
and
Safety
Services
committee
agenda
for
this
evening.
Solid
Waste
contracts
and
I
anticipate
that
there
will
be
at
least
a
few
sub
points
to
this
discussion.
I'll
start
with
the
decision-making
authority
over
the
the
bidding
process
and
then
move
us
into
a
conversation
about
the
understanding
we
have
of
what
we
mean
by
best
in
the
context
of
lowest
and
best
contracts
and
then
want
to
touch
base
on
short-term
contracts,
as
well.
L
Muscle
aware
that
there
may
be
other
council
members
who
have
topics
that
they
wish
to
bring
up
related
to
our
Solid
Waste
Management
and
to
get
us
started
with
the
decision.
Making.
Authority
I'll
remind
folks
that
it
is
only
this
Solid
Waste
contract
that
city
council
will
make
the
decision
on
presently.
Otherwise
it's
been
our
City
Safety
Services
director.
That's
had
the
authority
to
select
bids
based
on
the
established
criteria
for
what
we're
looking
for
So,
based
on
past
conversations.
This
Council
has
had
about
that
unusual
decision-making
being
with
city
council.
L
F
B
History
and
you
passed
along
the
minutes,
because
what
happened
was.
Is
that
and
it's
a
shift
that
took
place
between
2014
and
19
and
that
when
there
were
renewals
and
service
safety
director
Stone,
you
need
to
you
chime
in
here
if
there's
a
variation,
but
that
was
in
14
was
when
we
had
the
Athens
Hocking
recycling
center.
It
split
from
the
Athens
Hawking
Solid
Waste
district
and
we
requested
a
one-year
extension
from
July
1
to
2014
to
June
30
and
that's
banned
that
organizational
restructuring
and
then
in
May
2015.
B
The
solid
waste
District
unanimously
voted
to
take
back
the
refuse
and
recycling
operations
that
were
being
run
by
ahrc
and
Bruce.
If
you
hear
things
otherwise,
you
can
also
stand
to
correct
me
and
then,
due
to
the
detiming
of
the
move
in
June
2015,
this,
the
city
decided
to
put
the
contract
out
to
bid
in
the
service
safety
director
was
authorized
to
enter
into
a
contract,
so
I
I,
guess
if
we
had
to
put
a
date
on
it,
it
would
be
that
June
2015
when
it
shifted
over.
B
And
then
we
had
an
ordinance
see
that's
the
15
to
18.
B
B
B
F
And
and
I've
read
and
I
appreciate
you
saying
the
minutes.
I've
read
these
two
or
three
times,
but
there's
no
verbiage
conversation
as
to
why
or
reasoning
for
it
and
I'm
wondering.
Did
we
really
do
it
when
I
say
we
as
a
council,
none
of
them
well,
very
few
of
us
were
there,
did
we
really
do
it
or
is
it
an
urban
myth?
That's
been
perpetuated.
F
Much
like
I
was
speaking
to
the
mayor
today,
the
sign
in
front
of
the
OU
n
for
Years,
everybody
believed
they
could
only
change
the
message
one
time
a
day
and
it
kind
of
repeated
and
repeated
and
repeated,
and
nowhere
on
city
code
doesn't
say
that
it
talks
about
garish
and
flashing,
so
I'm,
just
wondering
having
read
through
this
thing.
Several
times
did
Council
ever
take
formal
action
on
this
to
say
it's
ours
and
not
yours.
M
It
may
be
bio
Mission
rather
than
by
a
prescription.
You
do
not
pass
legislation
that
says
you
know
any.
You
know
and
well
in
advance
of
you
know,
you
know
putting
a
bid
out
that
says:
authorized
advertising
stuff
is
and
enter
into
a
contract
and
appropriating
money
and
authorizing
the
expenditure.
Then
by
default.
You
know
you
retain
that
Authority,
because
you
don't
Grant
the
the
authority
to
do
that.
M
There
was
a
great
deal
of
consternation
surrounding
the
the
way
that
the
bid
occurred
and
ultimately,
what
the
result
was
from
that
particular
one,
and
at
the
time
there
was
a
company
that
there
was
a
significant
number
of
community
members
who
expressed
that
they
were
not
a
good
employer
and
that
they
came
in
under
bid
and
they
were
not
prepared
to
take
over
the
the
the
contract.
M
M
Subsequently,
we
re,
we
revid,
you
know,
got
good
bids
and
awarded
awarded
that
I
think
in
that
time
frame
in
2019
and
I'm,
trying
to
remember
it's
very,
very
difficult,
but
basically
I
I
didn't
have
the
authority
to
to
award
that
bid
because
of
one
of
those
things
I
mentioned
a
moment
ago.
There
was
something
that
was
not
passed
now,
if
I'm
misremembering
that
then
I
misremember
it,
but
basically
something
that
that
was
not
passed
in
advance
of
receiving
the
bids.
M
And
then
once
we
received
the
bids,
it
was
passed
out
to
the
fact,
and
so
that's
perhaps
where
I
assumed
that
the
intent
of
the
city
council
was
that
that
particular
Authority
would
just
be
retained
by
city
council
for
this
for
this
specific
contract.
Now
that
said,
as
you've
read
both
of
my
memos
that
I
sent
out
my
recommendation
at
this
point
is
to
is
to
you
know
not
do
that
and
just
do
it
like.
L
Yeah,
so
this
would
look
like
many
of
our
ordinances
where
we
were
authorizing
our
City
Safety
Services
director
to
accept
an
award
bids
if
we
move
in
this
direction,
that
could
be
legislation
that
we
entertain
next
week.
Any
further
comments
from
committee
members
on
this
topic.
Well.
F
H
I,
honestly
am
not
sure,
as
far
as
the
best
path
forward
with
with
this
process,
but
I
I
do
think
that
this
is
unlike
most
other
services
or
or
things
that
are
put
out
to
bid
in
terms
of
like
what
other.
What
other
bids
of
four
things
do?
Does
this
the
city
administration
review
that
are
really
comparable
to
this?
The
smart
like
it?
It
impacts
everyone
who
lives
in
the
city
and
for
several
years.
H
So
that's
that's
the
the
one
thing
that
I
see
as
a
difference
is
there
there
aren't
a
lot
of
other
things
that
that
we
contract
for
that
have
a
similar
scope
and
so
that
that's
the
one
reason
that
I
have
thought
you
know
it.
It
has
certainly
generated
a
lot
of
public
interest
and
involvement
in
in
my
years
on
Council.
H
It
has
been
probably
the
the
largest
discussion
that
it
has
brought
folks
from
the
community
in
to
engage
in
that,
and
so
that
generally
citizen
involvement
in
in
local
government
and
processes,
I
think
is
a
good
thing.
Just
it
increases
awareness
of
of
what
is
happening
and
encourages
engagement
in
those
processes.
H
I,
don't
know
that
that
means
it's
the
best,
the
best
way
to
handle
this
one.
But
is
there
something
else
like
just
a
question
for
or
director
Stone
another
contract
that
you
would
feel
is
comparable
to
this.
As
far
as
the
the
length
and
the
duration
and
the
iteration
and
impact
on
the
city.
M
Sure,
thank
you
for
the
question.
I
think
I
I,
don't
know
who
there
is
I
mean
really
on
the
on.
As
far
as
size
goes,
I
mean
there
are
construction
contracts,
but
you
know
those
are
very
discreet.
In
this
case.
M
It's
a
Professional,
Services
contract,
I
think
other
Professional
Services
that
start
to
approach
this
size
are
a
are
like
our
specialized
services
and
when
I
say
start
to
approach,
it's
not
remotely
close
as
far
as
the
the
dollar
figure,
but
Professional
Services
for
Unique
unique
services
that
are
not
typically,
you
know
that
they're,
not
you
know,
of
a
specialized
nature.
So
an
example
would
be
our
our
finance
software.
You
know,
CMI,
you
know
the
provision
of
all
that.
That's
something
that's
of
a
specialized
nature.
M
There
are
carve
outs
and
high-rise
code
from
a
continuity
perspective
so
that
we
can.
We
can
consistently
contract
for
that
without
having
to
to
you
know,
go
through
a
competitive
bidding
process.
Our
our
meter
collection,
Arrangement,
that's
another
one.
Now
that
one
is
somewhat
unique
in
that
we
expend
a
significant
amount
of
money
that
subsequently
gets
returned
to
us.
M
But
but
you
know
we
we,
you
know,
that's
that's
a
another
one
that
that
you
know
starts
to
get
a
higher
dollar
amount,
I
suppose,
because
of
that
pass-through
according
to
the
way
that
that
people
pay
meters
and
then
they
come
back,
I
can't
think
of
another
contract.
That's
that's
a
Professional
Services
contract
that
we
that's
of
this
size
and
scale
that
we've
been
out.
J
Thank
you,
member
Kerry,
I
I
also
don't
know
when
this
all
originated
and
I
tried
to
look
into
it
and
I
contacted
a
former
council
member
who
I
thought
was
maybe
part
of
the
of
the
process
when
it
when
it
came
in
on
into
council's
Authority,
turned
out
that
they
weren't
and
so
I
didn't
get
my
answer
there.
J
But
in
thinking
about
this
contract
over
and
over
again
I
I
I
feel
that
it
must
be
rooted
in
that
lowest
and
best
bid
and
what
we
mean
by
best
bid
and
our
Solid
Waste
Management
connected
with
the
sustainability
goals
of
the
city,
make
that
word
highly
loaded
with
what
is
the
best
for
the
city
of
Athens
when
it
comes
to
trying
to
reduce
our
landfilled
waste
and
to
manage
our
waste
stream
in
the
most
sustainable
way
possible,
and
that's
very
difficult
to
do,
and
it's
very
difficult
to
to
figure
out
what
that
best
is
I.
J
J
Please
provide
him
the
information
for
how
they
can
evaluate,
but
as
City
Administration
is
well
aware,
we
we
tried
to
do
this
a
number
of
years
ago
and
incorporate
sustainability
metrics
into
the
evaluation
process
of
the
bids,
but
those
bids
weren't
reviewed
by
city
council-
it's
not
as
if
we
had
authority
over
the
process
that
we
were
going
to
choose
for
council
members
to
sit
down
and
review
the
bids
and
decide
what
that
made.
J
J
That
was
a
process
that
was
done
by
by
other
the
previous
service
safety,
director
and
and
staff
within
the
city,
but
not
city
council.
So
this
idea
that
we
have
some
control
over
this
choice
is
not
really
I.
Don't
I
feel
like
that's
what
we're
sort
of
discussing.
Let's
give
it
back
to
the
the
city,
Administration
I,
don't
really
feel
like
we
have
it.
J
So
there's
this
great
weight
of
how
do
we
weigh
what's
best
for
our
city,
the
monetary
and
and
the
services
that
we
are
are
getting
but
I
feel
like
that's
where
it's
a
it's
defining
best,
whether
it's
the
service
safety
director
has
the
ultimate
authority
to
do
that.
I,
don't
think
Council
has
had
it.
J
L
You
thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
Member
Krell
and
I
do
want
to
recognize
that
you
are
segwaying
us
into
the
next
planned
subtopic
about
the
definition
of
best,
but
just
to
keep
us
on
the
decision-making
Authority.
Let
me
ask
Administration
if
they
have
any
concerns
that
they
can
voice
about
the
authority
being
formally
returned
to
the
City
Safety
Services
director.
Well,.
M
Perhaps
I
you
know,
I
I
can
do
that,
sir.
You
know
perhaps
a
misremembered,
but
again
by
by
a
mission
rather
than
prescription.
You
know
this
body
didn't
pass
any
legislation
to
say:
hey,
go
bid
for
the
trash
contract
and
we
are
up
against
the
the
end
of
the
trash
times.
So
you
know
likewise,
you
could
choose
to
authorize
a
surface
generator
to
advertise,
accept
bids
and
enter
a
contract,
but
not
authorize
any
any
money
or
appropriate
money.
Congress
does
that
all
the
time?
M
L
Seems
that
we
do
it
at
the
federal
level,
so
thank
you,
I
didn't
hear
any
specific
concerns
about
returning
the
authority.
Did
the
mayor
have
anything
to
add
no.
F
Very
simply
in
the
interest
of
moving
this
along,
because
if
we
don't
get
this
on
the
agenda
for
a
business
meeting
at
the
next
meeting
now
we're
into
June
I
I
would
respectfully
suggest
to
the
chair
that
by
12
tomorrow
that
the
authority
to
return
this
to
or
not
return
the
authority
to
Grant
this
responsibility
to
the
administration
be
on
our
agenda
for
first
reading.
L
G
Thank
you
members.
My
Carrie
I
have
said
from
the
first
time.
I
realized
how
this
was
running,
that
I
am
absolutely
in
favor
of
having
the
administration
make
those
decisions.
In
fact,
if
I
remember
correctly
and
I'm
going
to
defer
to
law
director
Eliason,
my
understanding
was,
we
really
didn't
have
the
authority
as
Council,
based
on
what
I
saw
in
the
orc
to
make
those
decisions
we
have
to
so
we
can
make
decisions
about
the
how
much
money
we
spend,
but
not
specifically,
which
Services
we
want
to
contract
with.
G
L
You,
council,
member
spiones,
and
to
your
point.
The
log
director
has
provided
confirmation
that
Ohio
Revised
Code
735.05
authorizes
specifically
the
director
of
Public
Services
to
advertise
for
bids
in
award
the
contact
of
the
lowest
and
best
bitter.
Once
city
council
has
authorized
the
expenditure.
So
thank
you
for
that.
Yes,
councilmember
Reisner.
K
Probably
the
only
member
other
than
the
president
Council
that
was
around
when
all
this
brouhaha
got
going
and
I've
been
racking.
My
brain
for
the
past
six
months,
trying
to
figure
out
if
we
officially
granted
authority
to
the
administration
to
do
it
or
not,
and
I
keep
coming
up
blank
I,
don't
think
we
ever
did
at
least
not
in
those.
In
those
words,
I
think
it
was
just
more
or
less
less.
K
K
L
You
in
the
interest
of
time,
I
need
to
move
us
to
our
second
subtopic,
which
is
the
definition
of
best
in
the
context
of
lowest
and
best.
It
is
my
recommendation
that
we
provide
the
administration
with
aspirational
goals.
That
would
summarize
what
council
has
discussed
recently
and
in
the
past
about
what
constitutes
best
and
I
will
read
some
for
the
record,
starting
with
some
specific
recommendations
from
Member
swink
and
first
one
I
would
refer
to
as
pay
and
that's
about
paying
a
fair
wage
to
their
employees.
L
The
second
point
is
about
their
plan.
Do
they
have
a
sustainability
focused
Waste,
Management
plan?
The
third
is
about
the
their
financial
standing.
Do
they
have
a
sound
financial
situation?
L
The
fourth
is
about
their
comparable
experience
in
providing
required
services.
The
fifth
would
be
about
their
professionalism.
Can
they
show
professional
performance
and
conduct
with
previous
contracts?
L
Sixth
would
relate
to
having
facilities,
staff,
equipment
and
management
skills
needed
to
execute
the
contract
properly.
The
seventh
would
be
having
the
ability
to
provide
collaborative
Partnerships
with
local
groups.
The
eighth
would
be
having
the
ability
to
provide
Educational
Services
for
solid
waste
diversion
programs.
L
The
ninth
would
be
broadly,
that
is
in
the
best
interest
of
the
city
of
Athens
and
for
the
10th
point
I'd
like
to
the
10th
point,
would
be
about
our
overall
waste
diversion
minimalization
goals
and,
with
that
in
mind,
I'd
like
to
refer
to
our
May
28
2019
council
meeting
minutes
with
detailed
comments
from
council
member
Crowell
about
the
importance
of
emphasizing
or
prioritizing
bids
that
support
the
triple
bottom
line:
economy,
environment
and
social
Equity.
L
It's
imperative
that
the
issue
of
regional
environmental
impacts
be
addressed
in
the
bid
response
and
will
provide
information
regarding
Downstream
outlets
and
processing
efforts
engaged
with
each
commodity
collected
and
how
that
process
impacts.
The
region
to
which
it
is
sent.
So,
with
that
review
of
recently
suggested
aspirations
and
historically
grounded
criteria
for
the
Triple
bottom
line.
I
would
recommend
that
we
encourage
Administration
to
look
to
such
factors
in
their
definition
of
best
and
with
that
I'd
like
to
open
this
to
comments
and
questions
from
members
of
the
committee
council,
member
Swank.
F
F
They
put
it
back
in
the
garage
or
wherever
number
two.
What
also
would
be
recycling
as
important
as
recycling
is.
F
The
trash
needs
to
go
first,
the
world's
not
going
to
end.
If
we
don't
get
recycling
taken
care
of
it's
very
important,
it's
kind
of
like
a
Kentucky
Derby
one
in
one,
a
they
go
together.
Number
three
will
be
composting.
Do
we
do
the
same
thing
with
it?
Is
it
picked
up
and
in
all
those
cases,
I
would
think
the
majority
of
the
people
in
Athens
would
say
the
current
provider
does
an
outstanding
job
and
way
back
at
the
beginning.
F
The
fourth
thing,
though,
for
many
people
in
this
town
is
a
distant
fourth,
and
it's
all
these
nebulous
things
that
we
hear
in
this
lingo
that
we
hear
and
these
phrases
that
we
hear
that
most
people
can't
even
Define,
but
I've
boiled
it
down
to
this.
That
fourth
thing
is:
can
whoever
we
pick
continue
to
build
on
the
relationships
with
organizations
in
this
town
that
we
have
used
to
divert
waste,
recycle,
more
produce
less
so
on
and
so
forth,
and
whoever
can
do
or
whoever
is
proven,
that
they
can
do
those
four
things
consistently.
L
Thank
you,
member
Swank,
to
summarize
I
heard
your
fourth
Point
from
the
community's
perspective
as
being
one
about
Partnerships
and
your
first
three
about
the
importance
of
trash,
pickup,
recycling,
pickup
and
composting
in
that
order.
Yes,
sir
okay,
thank
you
other
questions
and
comments
from
committee
members.
G
Versus
billness,
thank
you,
member
McCary,
so
the
list
that
you
had
regarding
issues
of
best
they
sound
very
familiar
I
didn't
go
back
and
look
because
I
wasn't
sure
what
we're
going
to
be
talking
about.
But
that
sounds
like
what
we'd
already
put
in
the
request
for
proposals.
How
different
is
it
from
that
list?.
L
Thank
you.
There
is
a
lot
of
overlap.
The
three
things
from
our
original
criteria
that
I
didn't
specify
are
the
bidder's
compliance
with
federal
state
and
local
laws,
rules
and
regulations,
the
bidders
participating
in
a
drug-free
workplace
program
and
evidence
that
the
bidder
is
qualified
to
just
to
do
business
in
the
state
of
Ohio
other
than
those
three
things
that
we
have
also
asked
for.
There's
a
lot
of
overlap
between
what's
been
discussed
at
recent
meetings
back
in
2019
and
what
we're
asking
for
in
the
bids
for
that
other
members
of
council
Administration.
J
You,
member
Kerry
I'll,
just
ask
one
more
question,
which
is
in
the
context
of
best.
We
know
that
when
we,
when
we
wrote
the
the
request
for
proposals
for
this
for
these
services,
if
a
respondent
replies
that
they
don't
agree
with
a
stipulation
of
the
contract,
can
that
be
a
best
response.
J
If
the
city
of
Athens
says
this
is
what
we
want,
this
is
how
we
want
to
do
it.
Everybody
come
in
and
tell
us
what
you
can
do
it
for
at
what
price
and
how
you're
going
to
do
it
and
one
of
the
respondents
says
well,
we
can
do
all
these
things,
but
we
don't
agree
with
this
part.
We
don't
we
don't
want
to
do
it.
The
way
you
have
stipulated
here
can
that
response
be
a
best
response.
J
I
I,
don't
think,
there's
a
negotiation
that
starts
at
that
point.
I,
don't
think,
there's
a
negotiation
that
then
starts
with
with
the
people
who
have
submitted
bids
where
we
say
oh
I
see
you
didn't
like
this.
Okay,
let's
talk
about
it,
and
maybe
we
can
come
to
an
agreement
that
you
like
that
to
me
doesn't
doesn't
have
best
to
it.
That
to
me
is
a
different
business
relationship.
J
Then
then,
what
we
are
seeking
here,
so
that's
one
of
my
questions
to
council
is
what
is
best.
You
know
what
is,
can
that
be
best
if
they
don't
agree
to
our
terms.
Thank.
L
You
before
I
move
to
council
members,
Swank,
Grace
and
spielness.
Allow
me
to
just
share
my
response,
which
is
that
it's
my
understanding
that
that
would
detract
from
their
the
strength
of
their
bid
if
they
indicated
that
they
were
not
interested
in
or
supportive
of,
one
of
the
things
that
we're
asking
for.
But
these
things
do
the
criteria
need
to
be
objectively,
measurable
or
evaluated,
and
people
who
make
the
bid
selection
need
to
be
prepared
to
justify
how
they
weighed
the
bidders
in
light
of
those
stated
criteria.
L
So
we'll
have
to
be
able
to
articulate
a
rationale
for
why
we
thought
this.
This
bid
performed
stronger
in
this
area
than
the
other,
but
to
cure
other
questions
and
comments,
council,
member
swink
and
then
Grace
and
then
spielness.
F
What
what
you
described
remember
Corral
is
exactly
what
happened
in
the
last
round
and
I
honestly
believe
that
not
everybody
knew
what
the
rules
or
criteria
were,
that
we
were
going
to
use
to
judge
those
bids.
In
my
mind,
that
was
perfectly
okay,
because
I'm
used
to
negotiating
contracts.
In
your
mind,
you
didn't
necessarily
agree
with
that.
F
From
what
I
have
heard
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
director
Stone
when
this
bid
goes
out,
those
type
of
things
are
going
to
happen
in
a
pre
and
we've
talked
about
this
member
solve
a
in
a
pre-bid
conference
where
we
can
have
that
discussion
so
that
when
that
final
bid
is
submitted,
it
is
the
final
bid.
There
is
no
negotiation
past
that
point.
All
the
negotiation
takes
place
prior
to
the
submission,
and
that's
why
you
have,
if
I'm,
if
I'm,
correct,
pre-bid
meetings.
M
Remember
slang
so
in
order
to
avoid
the
the
problem
associated
with,
you
know
a
an
exception
which
is
you
know,
the
exception
was
was
submitted
and
it
was
in
line
with
what
we
had
asked
and
not
that
the
exception
was
what
we
had
asked,
but
you
know
it
said
hey.
We
would
like
you
to
consider
this
exception.
We
don't
agree
to
this.
M
This
provision
I
think
in
this
next
iteration,
we'll
just
say:
if
you
have
any
exceptions
to
it,
it
needs
to
come
up
in
a
previous
meeting
and
we'll
answer
it
through
through
an
addendum
versus
allowing
someone
to
actually
bid
with
an
exception
to
the
to
the
just
avoid
that
problem.
H
I
I
would
say
I
think.
Ideally,
you
would
have
some
things
that
they
it's
very
clear
there.
There
are
no
exceptions
like
as
the
city
of
Athens
has
said.
Well,
this
is
one
thing
that
that
you
can't
take
exception
to
this.
Is
this
is
a
non-negotiable
thing,
some
things,
for
instance,
whether
we
expect
trash
haulers
to
pick
up
during
a
level
three
snow,
emergency
I.
Think
that's
something
that's!
Yes!
We
can
negotiate
on
on
things
like
that,
but
there
there
are
some
things
that
we
should
know.
H
These
are
things
that
that
we
have
a
set
expectation
and
there
is
not
a
negotiation
and
so
determining
what
falls
under
what
category
and
also
the
other
comment.
I
was
going
to
make
in
terms
of
that.
That's
a
lot
of
different
things
to
consider
when
you're
determining
what
does
best
mean
and
how
do
you
weigh
which
of
these
factors?
H
You
know
if
one
bid
outperforms
the
other
on
Factor
number
three,
but
it's
flipped
on
Factor
number:
five:
how?
How
do
you
determine
which
is
more
significant
and
so
whether
they're
there
should
be
a
ranking
of
priority
to
some
extent,
I.
Think
of
of
the
Criterion
which
yeah
it
it
it
gets
more
and
more
involved
and
complicated,
but
because
I
think
that
very
well
could
happen
where,
where
you
have
strengths
in
different
areas
from
different
entities,
so
then,
which
strength
is,
is
more
important.
A
L
A
clear
answer
right
now,
I
appreciate
the
notion
of
while
I've
reviewed
some
potential
criteria
that
they
are
not
weighted
in
terms
of
importance.
So
I
don't
know
if
our
City
Safety
Services
director
Can
Shed
any
inlight
to
add
any
light
on
the
process
of
comparing
that
might
touch
on
importance
of
factors.
M
Thank
you,
everyone,
Carrie,
I've,
listened
to.
You
know
all
the
various
aspirational
goals
of
of
what
best
means
from
this
body
and
what
I'll
try
to
do
is
attempt
to
put
that
in
a
set
of
specifications
that
is
is
as
clear
as
possible.
I
don't
know
that
it
can
be
quantitative,
otherwise,
it'd
be
this.
M
You
know
extremely
complicated
formula
that
probably
you
know,
isn't
really
worth
the
paper
that's
written
on,
so
it's
going
to
have
to
buy
by
just
some
virtue
of
of
the
the
the
multitude
of
aspirational
goals,
and
you
know
certain
aspects
of
all
them
is
going
to
have
to
be
qualitative.
M
You
know,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
I
got
to
be
able
to.
You
know,
stand
up
in
a
in
a
legal
proceeding
and
and
defend
our
decision.
You
know,
should
we
be
challenged
on
it,
and
so,
if
based
upon
what
best
is
it
lands
on
a
a
bidder
that
is
not
the
lowest
then
I
just
have
to?
M
L
Thank
you
for
that,
especially
the
commentary
on
the
difference
between
quantitative
and
qualitative
assessment,
with
that,
in
consultation
with
our
law
director.
It
is
my
understanding
that
we
are
able
to
ask
for
specific,
specific
examples
of
how
a
provider
would
meet
that
criteria.
So
if
we
can
hopefully
put
you
in
a
position
where
you
can
point
to
this
example
being
stronger
than
the
other
another
example
that
might
be
one
direction
we
can
take.
But
council
member
spielness
has
had
a
question
or
comment
for
some.
G
Time,
yes,
thank
you.
So
I
agree
with
the
comments
that
have
been
made.
Some
very
fine
comments
and
I
appreciate
it,
and
one
thing:
I
want
to
go
back
to
member
calls
comment
and
that
you've
sort
of
addressed
is
you
know,
federal
grants
and
a
lot
of
Grants
do
have
scoring
systems
and
I
know.
That
would
be
very
painful,
but
it
certainly
would
really
hard
to
do
I'm
sure,
but
the
more
that
we
can
approach
something
that
would
be
quantitative
versus
qualitative
would
I.
G
L
Well,
thank
you
to
that
point.
The
term
lowest
and
best
is
intentionally
left
vague
by
the
revised
code
735.05.
So
the
point
of
this
conversation
is
to
try
and
provide
some
direction
to
Administration
on
what
our
aspirations
would
be.
L
I
think
the
remaining
question
that
I'm
hearing
is
whether
or
not
it
might
be
feasible
for
Council
to
provide
any
sort
of
input
regarding
the
importance
of
these
10
to
15
factors
that
we're
discussing
as
aspirational
goals
rank
ordered
in
terms
of
importance.
That's
not
something
I
have
an
answer
to.
M
M
L
F
So
that
we're
clear
this
is
not
an
extension.
This
is
a
new
contract
and
by
declaring
a
clear
and
present
danger
or
emergency
I'm,
not
exactly
sure
that
you
are
not
required
to
bid
to
do
that.
In
other
words,
the
the
power
Falls
within
your
hands
as
a
director
to
choose
that-
and
you
present
it
to
us
a
proposal
at
the
rate
of
171
thousand
dollars
a
month
for
that
period
of
time,
two
questions
or
a
question
and
a
point.
F
Africa,
well
that's
an
assumption.
I'm
asking
that's
in
material
to
the
discussion
here.
Is
there
anything
that
would
be
decision
he
could
make
yes
I,
don't
think
they
could
do
it.
But
my
question
is:
is
there
anything
that
precludes
company
X
from
walking
in
saying
director
Stone
we're
ready
to
go
on
July
1.?
Here's
our
proposal,
here's
our
price.
M
No
I
mean
if
you
ovate
the
bidding
process
on
declare
WordPress
emergency
because
we're
gonna,
you
know,
run
out
of
contract
Runway
and
you
know
we
have
to
have
somebody
pick
up
trash
starting
on
July
1st
to
not
have
a
public
health
situation
of
accumulating
garbage.
M
F
L
Thank
you
for
that
comment.
Councilman
versus
Winkle,
followed
by
the
preceded
by
the
question
and
council
member
girl.
J
Just
to
clarify
I
believe
that
the
the
37
percent
increase
includes
the
composting
contract,
which
is
an
alternate
part
of
the
bid
process
and
that
all
City
residents
don't
pay
so
I
think
to
be
fair.
We're
looking
at
a
little
under
25
percent
increase
for
for
this
six
month.
Extension
six-month
contract.
H
L
You
for
that,
and
just
for
clarification
also,
we
will
discuss
at
City,
Safety,
Services
committee
level,
the
contract
and
then
committee
as
a
whole
will
discuss
rates
council,
member
swink
and
then
we'll
go
to
other
members
of
council.
F
The
toucan
rate,
which
is
the
predominant
rate
in
the
city
of
Athens,
the
increase,
is
36.988764
87.
That
does
not
include
composting.
M
Just
to
further
clarify
the
the
first
memo
that
I
presented
to
you,
that
proposes
the
37
increase
brought
all
of
the
additional
costs
to
be
borne
by
the
residential
customers
in
the
franchise
and
then
the
franchise
District
customers
in
the
city.
M
There
are
other
options
and
in
the
second
memo
I,
provided
you
with
an
alternative
option
of
rate,
increases
that
that
spreads,
that
cost
among
other
utility
payers
to
include
passing
or
or
changing
the
current
recycling
support
fee
that
is
borne
by
commercial
and
Industrial
rate
payers
across
and
then
residential
customers
that
are
greater
than
10
units
that
currently
don't
use
the
service,
but
they
pay
recycling
support
fee
just
because
they're
part
of
the
city
of
Athens
and
the
spotties
believe
that
it's
important.
So
you
could
pass
some
of
that
cost
to
that
effort.
M
You
could
pass
some
of
those
costs
to
special
halls
and
extra
bags.
You
pass
some
of
those
costs
to
the
composting
rate,
so
I
think
I
and
then
the
other
thing
you
could
do
is
subsidize
the
increase
for
a
period
of
time
for
those
six
months
through
a
different
fund,
so
I
mean
there
are
options.
Other
than
that
initial
memo
that
initial
memo
was
a
very
quick.
M
O
The
short
answer
is
yes:
we
are
allowed
to
use
General
funds
they're
considered
a
general
obligation
dollars
that
we
get
from
tax
payments.
That
is
not
designated
for
anything
and
we
are
allowed
to
do
that.
O
O
I
will
say
shortly
after
I
became
monitor
the
city
of
Jackson
got
in
trouble
for
subsidizing
their
utilities
to
the
tune
of
about
40
percent
of
the
costs
to
help
their
citizens,
but
that
would
be
too
much
there's
no
actual
line
there.
That
says
you
can
do
80,
but
not
75
or
anything
like
that.
I
just
think
we
need
to
be
aware
of
it.
My
understanding
is,
this
would
be
temporary
until
you
raise
rates
or
get
a
contract
and
all
that.
I
Claire
and
that
I
would
not
use
general
fund
dollars
instead,
I
would
use
something
like
the
revenue
that
we
still
have
in
our
American
Rescue
plan
item
you
know
to
where
we're
using
the
federal
dollars
that
can
be
used
in
a
number
of
different
ways
to
assist
in
that
subsidy.
I
appreciate
everything
the
auditor
was
saying
you
know
and
support
everything
that
she
was
saying,
but
again,
I
would
not
look
to
our
general
fund.
Revenue
I
would
look
to
something
like
arpa.
F
L
Did
you
have
anything
else
you
wanted
to
talk
about?
No
okay,
excellent.
Well,
then
that
concludes
our
City
Safety
Services
meeting.
Oh,
did
I
forget
something
of
the
audience.
Yes,
the
audience.
Does
anyone
have
comments
on
the
salaries
contract?
Please
feel
free
to
approach
the
podium,
introduce
yourself
and
take
three
minutes
to
share
your
comments
or
concerns.
D
D
We
don't
want
to
raise
rates,
and
you
know
when
the
administrator
approached
HRC
to
say:
what's
it
going
to
cost
for
a
six-month
extension,
you
know
we
try
to
look
at
it
as
Fair
as
we
possibly
could
with
all
the
inflation
we
saw
this
year
with
fuel
costs,
Still
Still,
you
know
pretty
high
all
those
factors
in
you
know:
I
looked
at
our
federal
index
to
say
you
know,
what's
the
fairest
way
to
do
that,
so
that's
what
we
use
the
producer
price
index
there's
a
specific
index
for
the
solid
waste
collection
industry,
so
it
verified
a
lot
of
my
numbers
that
I
did
internal
computations
but
I
think
that's
the
fairest
way
to
approach
it.
D
It's
the
federal
index
that
we
can
look
to
and
say
this
is
a
good
data
set.
We
can
use
this
to
understand
how
cost
escalates
over
time,
because
of
all
the
factors
that
go
into
providing
a
service
like
tires
and
fuels
and
trucks,
and
things
like
that.
In
addition,
you
know
we,
you
know
we
pride
ourselves
on
trying
to
do
a
good
job
for
the
city.
D
You
know,
there's
a
lot
of
work
out
there
with
move
out
just
just
wrapping
that
up,
but
in
in
terms
of
you
know
a
long-term
contract,
it's
hard
to
plan
for
some
of
these
things,
so
it's
really
important
with
what
the
city
requests
and
what
they
put
in
the
bid.
We
feel
HRC
feels
like
we
put
a
a
good
number
in
there
for
our
bid
and
I
understand
it's
very.
It
was
surprising.
D
It
was
a
lot
higher
than
what
some
people
expected,
but
I
think
there
were
some
additional
things
in
there
that
the
city
requested
that
costs
additional
monies,
that
weren't
in
previous
contracts
and
just
the
history
with
Athens
talking
recycling
I
think.
Basically,
how
we
operate
is
almost
a
department
of
the
city,
because
that's
kind
of
where
we
started
out
the
city
does
its
own
trash
collection.
D
At
one
point
and
it
kind
of
moved
to
the
county
in
the
solid
waste
District,
but
we're
really
still
kind
of
operating
under
that
that
heading
with
actually
some
of
the
same
people
that
worked
for
the
city
still
work
for
the
non-profit.
So
we
really
kind
of
you
know
the
system
was
created
by
Athens
for
Athens
and
that's
why
and
it
still
perpetuated
that
also
serving
the
university.
D
D
L
F
Mr
strongwood
you
you
mentioned
that
the
city
put
additional
things
in
the
bid
in
maybe
perhaps
as
Mr
Stone
puts
this
together
in
consultation
with
him.
Is
there
any
chance
that
some
of
those
things
that
we've
added
additional,
which
I
would
assume
at
an
additional
cost
we
might
be
able
to
take
out
of
that
bid?.
F
D
For
for
the
bid
number
I
I
submitted
for
the
for
the
original
bid,
those
costs
were
included
in
there,
but
for
what
I
proposed
for
that
short
short
term
six
month,
extension
I
did
not
include
those
extra
Services.
Therefore,
the
cost
okay.
L
Thank
you
for
that
clarification
and
thank
you
for
speaking.
Did
we
have
anyone
else
in
the
audience
and
then
last
comment
from
council
member
Stillness.
G
Good
question,
so
you
know,
obviously,
inflation
is
going
to
be
an
issue
small
large
or
whatever.
So
how
do
you
determine
your
inflation
rates
over
time?
Because
this
is
you
know,
a
four-year
contract
or
whatever?
How
do
you
determine
how
much
to
up
the
price
based
on
what
you
inflation
projections
might
be.
D
Typically,
we
try
to
use
as
much
history
as
we
possibly
can.
The
more
data
points
the
better
so
looking
at
that
producer,
Price
Index,
you
know
we.
We
can
see
that
average
over
time
of
what
the
inflation
is
for
that
specific
industry
and
try
to
project
four
of
that
average
rate.
So,
whether
that's
2.2
percent
per
year,
four
point:
nine
percent
per
year,
whatever
the
average
is,
that's
how
we
would
look
at
that
to
extrapolate
those
costs
over
a
multi-year
period,
but
also
being
able
to
have
a
contract.
D
That
says
you
know,
what's
your
what's
the
price
for
year,
one
versus
the
price
for
year,
four
versus
a
flat
rate.
You
know
those
are
things
to
think
about
in
the
bid.
We
I
certainly
think
about
it.
From
my
perspective,
when
we're
trying
to
compute
how
much
we're
going
to
have
to
how
much
is
going
to
cost
us
to
provide
the
services.
L
Thank
you
in
the
interest
of
time,
I'll
just
bring
us
to
closure
with
a
quick
summary
that
next
week,
we'll
need
to
move
forward
with
legislation
clarifying
whether
or
not
we
will
be
all
right.
One
more
council
members.
If
then,.
C
That
will
be
the
last
one.
Yeah
I
know.
I
know
we're
trying
to
move
on,
but
I've
just
been
thinking
about
this.
For
a
couple
of
minutes.
I
just
wanted
to
say
my
little
piece
I
feel
like
I,
do
represent
a
group
of
people
that
realistically
nobody
else
sitting
on
this
diet
represents,
which
is
people
in
the
service
industry
I
come
I,
am
I,
am
willing
to
bet
Far
and
Away.
I
am
one
of
the
lowest
income
bracket.
People
in
this
room
and
I
am
completely
comfortable,
as
are
most
of
my
co-workers.
C
Most
of
my
friends,
who
are
all
in
that
same
bracket
completely
comfortable
with
these
kinds
of
rate
increases.
Knowing
the
service
that
we
receive
is
of
the
quality
that
it
is
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
point,
because
I
do
pride
myself
on
trying
to
represent
Runners
service
industry
Folk.
That's
how
a
lot
of
us
feel
myself
included
and
I
also
wanted
to
thank
HRC
for
doing
a
great
job
with
move
up
this
year,
great
job,
the
streets
look
excellent,
super
clean,
that's
it
I'm
done
good.
P
I,
like
this
quick
I,
was
still
a
little
bit
confused
on
this
and
I
just
wish.
Someone
would
clarify
a
lot
of
contracts
start
on
July
the
first.
L
L
F
That's
a
point:
I
brought
up
last
time.
We
talked
about
this
and
any
any
in
my
in
my
mind,
any
contractor
in
AR
Associates,
one
of
them
there's
no
doubt
in
my
mind,
one
of
them,
given
two
months
notice,
could
be
at
the
gates
of
the
city
on
July
1
ready
to
go,
go
down
my
mind,
they've
proven
they
can
do
it
if
they
can
handle.
Oh
you
move
out,
they
can
handle
about
anything
and
I
have
no
reason
to
believe
that
any
other
competent
company
could
do
the
same
thing.
F
B
Nicely
so
the
logistics
of
this
would
be,
if
we're
doing
one
ordinance
to
return
the
authorization
to
the
service
safety
director.
Does
that
one
have
to
be
read
the
three
times
and
completed
before
he
could
authorize
a
bit
I'm.
Just
thinking
of
the
logistics
of
getting
this
out
between
now
and
July,
1.
L
B
L
L
I
think
it
would
be
appropriate
to
allow
our
City
Safety
Services
director
to
respond
to
the
possible
timeline
that
we've
just
articulated.
Thank.
M
You,
member
Carrie
I've,
given
you
my
recommendation
in
a
memorandum
and
I'm
going
to
wait
until
this
body
passes
legislation
to
tell
me
what
to
do
I'm,
not
going
to
take
direction
from
Individual
people
asking
questions
I've.
Given
you
my
recommendation
in
a
memorandum,
if
you
pass
something
differently,
I'll
do
my
best
to
meet
whatever
you
do
different.
L
H
H
The
first
issue
for
the
Planning
and
Development
Committee
this
evening
is
at
Title
IX
special
use
permit
for
a
new
sign
face
that
would
be
located
at
447,
East,
State
Street,
and
we
do
have
on
the
drive
the
title:
49
application
for
use
of
the
city's
right-of-way,
and
this
there
is
included
a
picture
that
shows
a
sign
that
is
partially
I.
Believe
it's
States
on
here.
H
That
extends
them
five
feet
into
the
the
right-of-way,
and
there
is
a
a
request
to
change
the
sign
face
of
this
sign
and
because
it
is
in
the
city
right-of-way,
they
need
a
a
special
use
permit
to
have
permission
to
most
likely.
H
The
sign
was
put
in
place
prior
to
this
process
being
put
in
place,
requiring
that
that
they
get
a
approval
to
put
a
sign
in
the
right-of-way
and
so
that,
while
there
is
an
existing
sign,
as
it
has
come
to
our
our
office
of
Code
Enforcement,
that
they
would
like
to
put
a
new
face
on
the
sign,
they
then
completed.
The
application
for
use
of
the
city's
right-of-way
and
I
don't
have
a
lot
of
details
other
than
than
what
is
included
in
those
documents.
H
Other
than
I
did
see
that
the
the
fee
has
not
yet
been
paid,
and
but
that
it
is
the
the
applicant
who
is
not
the
property
owner
has
is
the
one
making
the
application,
but
we
do
also
have
the
the
name
and
address
of
the
property
owner.
I
Best,
we
have
not
seen
what
the
image
or
the
verbiage
on
the
sign
is
going
to
be
at
this
point
in
time,
we'll
find
out
from
director
Riggs
for
sure
I
do
just
to
kind
of
give
us
a
point
of
reference
for
this
property
is
this:
is
it
used
to
be
Aaron,
Thomas's,
home
and
auto
audio
and
television
flat
screen
operation
down
there,
but,
as
was
indicated
that
this
would
be
used
by
a
new
entity
and
I
believe
that
Mr
Thomas
would
retain
the
ownership
of
the
property
just
leaving
assemblies.
C
K
H
G
Interesting,
they
had
the
nerve
to
do
that.
So
what
are
consequences
of
people
completely
blow
off
the
city's
requirements.
N
H
There,
the
the
thief
for
the
use
of
the
right-of-way
application
has
not
yet
been
paid
according
it
may
have
been
paid,
since
this
form
was
scanned
to
us,
but
at
the
time
that
the
form
was
filled
out
which
the
date
on
there
is
March
31st,
it
could
have
been
paid.
In
the
meantime.
M
And
I
apologize
for
not
knowing
more
about
this
specific
one
of
I
think
what
occurred
is
that
they
applied
for
a
use,
change
through
zoning
and
got
approved
through
zoning
and
then
assumed
that
they
were
okay
to
change
the
sign.
We
recognized
that
the
sign
was
in
the
right
way
during
some
time
in
that
iteration
and
said:
hey,
we'll
stop!
You
know
you
gotta
yeah,.
J
M
They
did
basically
a
half
completed
application
that
in
order
to
meet
council's
timeline
and
try
to
avoid
special
sessions
and
emergency
Clauses
and
everything
else
before
recess,
we
said
you
got
to
get
something
before
Council,
so
I
I
thought
there
were
more
documents
than
this
I'll
go
back
and
ensure
that,
prior
to
a
first
reading
of
approval
that
that
it's
complete.
Thank
you.
K
I'm
the
fact
that
they've
already
done
it,
the
sign
is
there
the
public
sees
it
yet.
It's
illegal,
okay
I
mean
they're
flaunting
the
law.
Let's
just
get,
you
know,
put
it
out
there,
whether
or
not
it's
a
legitimate
mistake
or
not.
You
know,
officer,
I
didn't
see
the
stop
sign.
I
went
blew
through
it.
Well,
I,
you
know,
I
still
had
to
pay
the
consequences
once
workaround
might
be
that
they
are
notified.
It
said
you're
going
to
have
to
cover
that
sign
up
until
you
pay
the
fee
until
Council
gives
you
approval.
A
H
There
are
multiple
instances
where
folks
are
unaware
that
a
sign
is
in
the
public,
right-of-way
yeah,
I
understand
and
as
we
we
know,
there
was
a
sign
there,
and
this
has
certainly
not
been
the
first
instance
where
a
property
owner
has
had
things
from
a
sign
to
offense
to
other
things
that
they
they
learn
later
hey.
There
was
a
process,
and-
and
we
have
not
had
a
punitive
approach
to.
K
H
I
I
don't
wish
to
do
that,
but
I
I
do
think
that
that
this
is
not
an
unusual
issue
and
there
was
a
sign
in
the
same
location
and
I
I.
Think
that
that
it
is
important
that
we
treat
all
applicants
similarly
and-
and
we
haven't
attempted
to
to
make
people
take
things
down
or
take
things
back
as
the
process
proceeds
in
past
I
didn't
say
that
did
I
I
said
covered
the
sign
I
mean
like
a
sheet
that
dance
membership
so.
F
I
I
I
and,
like
remember
Riser
I,
can
split
hairs
till
next
Christmas
when
I'm
not
going
to
this
is
an
illegal
sign.
F
We
didn't
give
them
a
oh
I,
didn't
know
opportunity.
They
were
directed
to
take
them
down
because
they
violated
the
sign
ordinance.
In
this
case
they
have
violated
process
and
I,
like
member
Reisner,
agreed
put
a
sheet
over
the
thing
period,
because
if
we
don't,
the
message
we
give
to
people
is
it's:
okay,
laws
don't
apply
to
everybody
and
it's
a
bad
precedent
to
set
by
no
means,
as
a
legislator
am
I
saying
the
administration
do
your
job
and
gentlemen.
If
I
came
off
that
way,
I
apologize,
but
I
do
think
the
sign
needs
covered.
A
F
H
The
dairy
barn
had
a
sign
in
the
city's
public
right-of-way
that
was
put
there
prior
to
us
requiring
this
process.
They
came
to
city
council
when
they
went
to
code
enforcement
asking
to
change
to
a
new
sign.
We
they
there,
they
had
a
sign
up
right
there,
it
had
it
had
been
there
for
a
long
time.
We
certainly
did
not
require
that
the
dairy
barn
cover
their
sign
until
we
approved
them.
You
having
a
sign
in
the
city
right-of-way,
yes,
but
that
was
the.
K
H
C
H
And
I
yeah,
which
was
the
same
with
the
dairy
farm.
They
did
not
have
a
permit
or
approval
to
use
the
city's
right
right
of
Rights
of
Way
for
their
sign
and
that
lack
was
discovered
when
they
went
to
update
the
new
sign
and
and
put
in
put
in
their
new
sign.
So
it's
happening
at
the
time
at
the
face
of
the
sign.
H
H
I
think
that
would
have
to
have
been
specified
that
before
we
could
order
someone
to
to
do
a
specific
action,
we
have
to
have
filled
out
what
the
consequence
for
the
the
improper
action
is
and
as
as
law
director
lies,
instead
should
the
result
of
this
process
B
that
we
do
not
Grant
a
permit
for
use
of
the
right-of-way,
then
they
could
be
ordered
to
remove
the
sign.
N
That
law
director
alive-
no,
this
is
just
this-
is
a
use
of
the
city
right
away,
not
not
really
a
discussion
of
the
sign,
it's
the
use
of
the
right-of-way
and
they're
in
our
city
right
away,
and
if
we
don't
want
them
to
be
in
the
right
of
way,
we
don't
issue
the
permit
and
tell
them
to
take
it
down.
H
Moving
on
to
the
next
topic,
which
I'm
going
to
turn
over
to
are
City
service
safety,
director
Mr
Stone
we're
discussing
a
transfer
of
property
at
the
library.
M
H
M
Have
a
a
an
image
that
I'll
pass
out
just
for
clarification
to
the
body.
This
is
not
a
legal
document
to
prepare
for
transfer
of
property,
but
we
are
working
on
that.
That
document.
B
M
M
Think
it's
a
maybe
a
zero
dollar
lease
or
one
dollar
lease
or
something
of
those
along
those
lines
and
the
library
has
been
working
diligently
and
got
permission
from
the
Board
of
Trustees
almost
three
years
ago
now
to
have
the
the
state
of
Ohio
transfer
that
land
to
the
public
library
system
as
a
transfer
between
governmental
entities,
so
that
the
library
system
actually
owns
the
land
that
the
library
in
Athens
sits
on
like
they
do
on
the
other
libraries
around
the
county.
M
M
It's
one
parcel
ID,
it's
split
into
three
parts
because
there
was
a
railroad
that
came
through
that
split
it
and
there's
also
33
us-33.
That
came
through
and
split
it,
but
it
all
remained.
One
parcel
ID
and
the
small
little
strip
that
the
that
the
city
owns
that
the
library
sits
on
and
that
we
would
transfer,
along
with
Ohio
University's
transfer
to
the
library
system.
We're
really
independent
of,
but
in
the
same
effort
is
shown
here
in
this
crosshatched
area.
M
We've
worked
diligently
with
a
surveyor,
with
an
attorney
for
the
library
system
and
with
the
city
law
director's
office
to
make
sure
that
the
instruments
and
the
and
the
legal
description
are
correct
and
that
proper
easements
will
be
retained
at
some
point
in
the
future
we
will
ask
once
the
library
gets
ownership
from
Ohio
University.
M
One
of
the
easements
that
that
we
need
is
an
easement
that
is
granted
by
the
state
of
Ohio
to
the
city
of
Athens,
and
they
can
only
grant
them
for
25
years,
and
so
once
the
library
gets
that
property
they'll
need
to
give
Amusement
back
and
we've
been
promised
that
that
will
receive
that
from
the
library
and
I.
Don't
doubt
that
they
would
do
that.
But
the
the
thought
here
is
that
I'm
requesting
that
you
just
ultimately
transfer
this
permanently
to
the
library
rather
than
the
city,
retain
it
in
this.
H
Okay,
yeah
and
I,
don't
remember
when
but
I'm
certain
I
have
seen
this
map
and
thought
well.
This
is
a
fun
little
parcel
here
because
it
is
just
a
very
a
narrow
strip
of
land
in
between
two
pieces
of
Ohio
University
land
that
in
part
of
the
library
building
is
actually
on,
and
so
it
certainly
makes
sense
that
this
this
be
transferred
to
the
public
library
along
with
the
University's
transfer,
and
are
there
any
comments
or
questions
members
to
be
on
this
yeah.
G
Just
a
quick
question,
so
is
this
the
entirety
of
the
land
in
question
I
mean
I.
Obviously,
at
one
time
this
it
was
a
railroad
or
whatever,
as
you
said,
and
so
it
extended
further.
Is
that
land
then
on
either
side
of
this
picture
has
that
land
been
sold
transferred
whatever
at
some
point.
M
The
crosshatch
section
that
you
have
was
not
part
of
the
railroad.
It
actually
is
north
of
where
the
railroad
was
so.
The
parcel
immediately
to
the
south
in
this
image
is
where
the
railroad
was.
This
little
crosshatch
portion
was
actually
a
part
of
the
the
original
parcel
for
the
wastewater
treatment
plant
that
was
in
pieces
and
that
piece
had
been
divided
by
the
it's
got:
the
same
tax
ID
because
it
always
been
the
same
owner
but
had
been
divided
by
the
railroad
and
by
us-33,
and
so
it's
a
little
sliver.
M
M
From
that
the
city
owns
yes,
now
the
the
university
owns
that
entire
piece
to
the
north
right
now,
where
you
see
the
words
Ohio
University
there
beside
the
the
tax
ID
number,
as
well
as
the
entirety
of
the
railroad
tracks
to
the
South,
where
the
former
railroad
tracks
of
the
South
they're,
not
transferring
the
entirety
of
the
railroad
tracks
to
the
South,
they
are
retaining.
M
A
H
M
Like,
for
instance,
if
you
look
South
at
the
very
bottom
of
this
picture,
you'll
see
city
of
Athens
and
that's
that's
land
that
the
city
of
Athens
owns
and
that's
that
same
parcel.
Going
the
other
side
of
33
same
parcel
where
the
Wastewater
retriever
plant
sits.
M
I
wish
I
had
a
better
image.
This
was
this
was
one
that
I
did
quickly
in
order
to
display
this,
but
the
the
image
that
will
accompany
the
ordinance
is
the
actual
surveillance,
surveyor's
legal
description
and
plot.
H
H
Then,
moving
on
to
our
final
agenda
item
for
the
committee,
this
is
a
discussion
about
property
owned
by
the
city.
Again,
we're
talking
all
about
city
property.
Tonight.
This
property
happens
to
be
another
familiar
piece
to
many
of
us
83
Columbus
Road-
and
this
is
a
piece
of
property
that
the
city
has
owned
for
some
time
and
through
various
opportunities
we
remediation
has
been
done.
H
The
tanks
were
removed
from
underground
and
recently
the
the
building
was
removed
from
this
property,
making
it
now
perhaps
a
a
viable
property
that
that
could
be
of
use
to
someone
and
the
City's
cic.
H
Community
Improvement
corporation,
like
come
up
with
the
right
acronym
here,
would
be
interested
in
accepting
this
property,
because
then
the
cicc
could
look
to
potential
opportunities
for
either
economic
or
Community
Development
on
this
land
and
as
we've
discussed
in
the
process
of
talking
about
the
formation
of
a
cic,
the
cic
has
more
options
in
terms
of
what
might
be
done
with
the
property
than
if
it
remains
in
in
City
ownership.
So
this
this
is
just
an
opportunity
to
discuss
the
the
transfer
of
that
piece
of
property
to
the
cic.
H
For
the
then
for
exploration
of
potential
economic
or
Community
Development
opportunities
there
and
I
think
that
it
could
be.
There
could
be
a
lot
of
options,
given
some
some
other
development.
That's
happening
on
Columbus
Road.
So
are
there
other
details
for
administration
that
need
to
be
included
in
that
introduction?.
I
The
CAC
has
different
processes
that
they
can
go
through
in
terms
of
economic
development,
for
a
parcel
such
as
this
to
where,
unlike
the
city
to
where
we
would
have
to
put
it
out,
to
bid
sealed
bid
and
and
therefore
not
know
who
is
going
to
purchase
it
and
for
what
what
purpose,
whereas
the
CAC
doesn't
have
to
follow
those
same
guidelines
to
where
I'm
working
with
the
Athens
County
Economic
Development
Council,
Molly
Fitzgerald,
in
order
to
identify
a
best
end
user
for
that
piece
of
of
real
estate
moving
forward.
I
So
again,
the
cic
did
vote
to
say
that
they
would
be
interested
in
the
transfer
if
Council
deemed
the
right
thing
to
do
to
to
transfer
that
into
the
cic.
H
I
There
is
a
covenant
on
that
that
parcel
of
land
and
that
being
that
alcohol
cannot
be
manufactured
on
that
particular
site.
H
Was
it
manufactured
or
consumed
or
consumed?
Yes,
so,
as
Molly
Fitzgerald
pointed
out,
that
does
not
eliminate
the
possibility
of
a
carryout
entity,
but
I
I
think
that
the
the
true
benefit
of
of
transferring
this
to
the
cic
is
having
that
opportunity
to
really
look
at
what
would
be
a
good
fit
or
for
that
Corridor,
and
there
is
also
input
from
Leslie
Schaller.
H
As
far
as
you
know,
acenet
is
is
close
by
the
bike.
Path
is
close
by
there's
soon
to
be
a
a
freestanding
emergency
department
there
and
perhaps
some
other
opportunities
for
business
development,
so
I
think
being
able
to
have
some
some
Community
experts
weigh
in
on
on
what
would
be
a
good
fit
is
beneficial
hi
there
right
and
law
director.
This
is
a
question
for
you.
Is
there
some
exploration
of
removing
that
Covenant?
Oh.
H
Which
there
might
be
other
businesses
who
are
just
fine
with
the
Covenant
remaining
in
place?
So
so
are
there
other
comments
or
questions
from
members
of
the
committee?
Other
members
of
council
members
of
the
audience,
okay,
seeing
none.
That
concludes
planning
and
development
for
this
evening.
Thank.
B
L
K
I
just
want
to
clear
up.
One
thing
before
we
get
into
a
committee
was
chatted
a
little
bit
with
my
colleague
council
member,
zip
there
not
to
hide
anything.
Full
disclosure
I
was
suggesting
that
perhaps
Donkey
Kong
could
open
a
branch
down
there.
He
informed
me
that
under
no
circumstances
was
such
a
thing
ever
happened.
So
now
the
public
knows
talking.
F
K
Anyway,
this
has
to
do
with
our
2023
annual
Paving
proposal
and,
since
brevity
is
the
solo
wit
and
the
tediousness
it's
Limbs
and
outward
flourishes,
I
shall
be
brief.
I
think
we
should
adopt
this.
Thank
you.
C
Yeah,
just
sort
of
I
guess:
I,
you
know
lack
of
knowledge
with
some
of
us
do.
Is
there
a
plan
for
specific
dates,
for
when
these
kinds
of
things
would
occur,
and
would
that
be
public
knowledge
beforehand
right.
M
Thank
you,
members.
If
I'll
go
ahead
and
speak
to
that,
so
what
I've
asked
to
move
forward
is
appropriation
and
authorization
for
annual
Paving
for
700
000,
400
000
of
it
from
fund
220,
300
000
from
fund
225.,
and
the
the
basis
for
coming
up
with
that
number
is
the
document
that
was
included
in
your
packet.
Typically,
we
wouldn't
include
this
document
the
packet.
M
Certainly
it's
not
something
that
I
want
to
attach
to
the
ordinance
because
it
could
change,
but
we've
have
a
well-established
system
where
we
do
pavement,
evaluation,
Every,
Spring
and
and
then
you'll
basically
make
a
list
of
the
primary
streets
that
that
will
be
paved
some
alternates
that
we'll
try
to
get
to
assuming
that
bids
come
in
advantageous
and
then
and
then
the
area
that
we'll
do
we'll
do
sealing
and
preventive
maintenance
with
crack
sealing,
and
so
you
actually
have
that
document
in
front
of
you,
like
I,
said.
M
M
Prior
to
moving,
but
what
we
often
will
do
is
is
build
a
schedule
that
the
higher
traffic
areas
associated
with
Ohio
University
are
done,
while
Ohio
University
is
in
summer
session
or
not
in
fall
session
yet
and
then
subsequently
push
some
of
the
other
areas
that
aren't
necessarily
as
dependent
upon
that
traffic
to
to
the
fall.
You
know
I,
typically
like
to
get
this
appropriation
started
a
little
earlier
than
this,
but
I
just
was
remiss
and
not,
and
not
getting
here
quite
quite
early
enough
this
year.
Thank
you.
F
A
couple
questions:
what
is
alternate
one
and
Alternate
two
mean
that's
the
first
question.
M
So
when
we
do
my
own
bids,
you
know
you'll
do
the
base
bed
and
then
you'll
do
maybe
no
alternates.
Maybe
a
couple
alternates
and
those
are
basically
portions
of
the
of
the
work
that
you
can
choose
whether
or
not
to
authorize.
M
But
you
seek
a
number,
so
the
bidder
will
not
include
it
in
their
Base
number.
They'll
include
just
the
base
bid
and
the
base
number,
and
then
we
can
choose
whether
or
not
to
go
ahead
and
award
alternate
alternate
one
or
alternate
two.
A
M
I
asked
not
to
have
this
document
included,
but
it
got
included
in
here
anyway.
This
is
how
we
plan
right.
So
so
please
don't
attach
this
to
the
ordinance
because
I,
you
know
if
the
bids
come
in
quite
a
bit
more
than
than
what
is
shown
here,
but
this
was
our
planning
level
number
that
we
used
to
come
up
with
the
to
come
up
with
the
seven
hundred
thousand
dollars.
My
goal
would
be
if,
if
we
were
exactly
right
in
our
in
our
estimate
that
yes
I.
F
Could
do
all
that
so
I
guess
the
last
question
that
I
miss
about
myth?
Three,
if
we
see
anything
on
here
that
has
inherent
problems
already
the
best
way
to
communicate
that
to
you
would
be
what
to.
M
Shoot
me
an
email,
okay
and
I'll,
make
sure
that
the
that
we
get
it
to
to
the
engineering
public
works.
M
Bid
packet,
you
know,
the
bid
packet
includes.
Specific
cross-section
includes
treatment
for
each
of
the
various
streets,
the
square
yardage
associated
with
it,
the
the
Milling,
the
the
you
know,
the
big
quantities,
and
so,
if
there's
a
particular
problem,
we
have
it
we'll
do
notes,
free,
Street
and
we'll
attempt
to
address
a
couple
issues
as
well.
H
G
Thank
you.
You
said
my
name
right.
Thank
you
very
much,
okay,
it's
a
basic
question
because,
as
you
know,
I
I
live
on
University
of
States
Boulevard,
which
is
one
of
the
parts
of
that's
on
the
list,
and
it's
been
patched
many
times
because
of
the
problems
when
it
was
first
originally
paved.
But
so
how
does
it
work
now?
G
Are
they
going
to
scrape
off
a
bunch
of
stuff
and
then
I'm
trying
to
imagine
something
Beyond
patching
and
something
other
than
ripping
the
whole
thing
out
so
I'm
trying
to
I
want
to
be
able
to
explain
it
to
my
neighbors.
If
you
know
we
pass
this
thing.
I
So
again,
I
I
want
to
reinforce.
This
is
that
we
hopefully
are
able
to
do
everything
that's
on
here,
hopefully,
but
that
may
not
be
reality
for
the
document
that
you
have
I
mean
it
does
describe
in
detail
the
the
amount
of
University
of
States
Boulevard.
That
would
be
repaved.
I
But
you
know,
I
would
contend
that
you
know,
since
2016,
we've
done
an
outstanding
job
with
milling
and
Paving
and
Paving
throughout
the
city
and
being
very
targeted
in
what
was
director
Stone
when
he
was
at
engineering
and
Public
Works
put
together
as
his
metric
for
being
able
to
identify
the
levels
of
Street
condition
throughout
the
city
were
at
this
point,
I
mean,
aside
from
the
current
list
in
front
of
you
actually
doing
pretty
well
to
where
we
don't
have
many
low
scoring
streets.
The
rate
the
scoring
system
goes
from
from
one
to
nine.
I
You
know
one
being
a
dirt
path,
we
don't
have
any
of
those
in
the
city.
Thank
goodness,
but
you
know
we.
Some
of
these
on
here,
I
imagine,
are,
are
in
the
four
four
and
a
half
five
range,
because
we
have
have
done
that
much
repaving
throughout
the
city.
M
There's
a
pretty
large
machine
that
has
a
conveyor
belt
on
it
and
it's
on
tracks
and
it
has
teeth
on
the
bottom
and
it
drives
over
the
pavement,
and
it
removes
distressed
pavement
the
conveyor
belt
on
the
machine.
M
Then
you
know
fills
a
dump
truck
and
and
trucks
that
away
for
recycling
or
reuse
in
other
places,
and
then
subsequently
a
paver
will
come
in
with
a
dump
truck
that'll
will
then
you
know,
put
hot
mix
asphalt
and
and
Overland
versus
you
know
a
patch,
as
the
mayor
mentioned
earlier,
which
would
be
kind
of
a
you
know,
a
smaller
location
where
you
maybe
don't
have
as
much
distress
and
you're
just
kind
of
going
a
little
bit
beyond
filling
a
pothole,
but
but
you're
just
doing
a
patched
area.
Does
that.
K
Other
questions,
city
and
the
audience.
Q
Foreign
Morris
Avenue
here
in
the
city
and
just
representing
myself,
so
I
look
at
the
list.
I
just
brought
it
up
as
we
started
talking
about
it,
so
I
didn't
have
a
chance
to
look
at
it.
It
doesn't
look
like
it
includes
any
sidewalk
curb
ramp,
concrete
work
at
all
and
from
the
research
that
we
were
doing
with
the
pedestrian
accessibility
committee.
One
of
the
things
that
became
clear
is
the
federal
government
has
now
set
guidance,
U.S
department
of
transportation.
Q
M
Don't
have
an
answer,
I
mean
share
the
committee.
I.
Don't
have
that
answer
right
here
in
front
of
me.
Certainly
I
can
get
it.
M
Q
To
see
that
included
at
least
some
estimate
of
what
they
expect
would
be
because
there's
no
concrete
work
at
all
I
see
in
here
and
that
would
that
would
be
an
additional
cost.
It
might
shorten
the
list
a
little
bit
if
that's
an
additional
cost
to
get
these
streets
done
on
Council
in
mind
of
that
requirement,
and
also
remind
the
city
Administration
that
that's
something
they
should.
K
Anyone
else,
I,
just
have
one
question
of
my
own
I,
just
noticed
on
an
alternate
to
Carroll
Road
Roxbury
to
Dove,
not
that
I
want
to
spoil
a
chance
for
my
neighborhood
or
award
not
to
get
repaved,
but
it
seems
like
it
was
done
about
four
or
five
years
ago.
I'm,
just
wondering
why
it's
on
the
list.
M
M
This
year's
analysis,
it's
possible
that
that
you
know
they
didn't
I,
would
think
they
would
have
done
it
correctly,
but
I'll
double
check.
You
know,
I
didn't,
go
and
drive
these
all
myself
prior
to
right.
K
M
K
A
K
I
Mayor
we'll
just
again
I'm
looking
at
this
as
clearly
you
did
as
well
alternate
too.
It
has
it's.
What
it
is
for
alternate
two
is
the
crack
seal.
So,
oh.
I
B
K
B
J
Thank
you,
president
nicely
lots
of
good
discussion
tonight.
A
little
lengthier,
maybe
than
some
of
us
anticipated,
hopefully
find
some
Personnel
will
be
relatively
efficient.
However,
I
thought
that
our
first
item
was
an
item
that
I
understood
and
now
I'm.
Not
so
sure.
First
item
is
Chief
compensation,
but
I'm
not
sure
if
we're
talking
about
the
police
chief
or
the
fire
chief
City
Administration
want
to
reply.
I
can
take
it
from
there
if
you
go
it's
for
the
fire
department.
Okay,
thank
you.
J
So
the
issue
here
is
that
the
the
fire
chief
is
not
in
the
position
where
he
where
they
can
receive
a
promotion,
but
they
are
in
order
to
sort
of
equalize
similar
positions
in
our
safety
Services
across
the
city,
I'd
like
to
City
Administration
is
proposing
that
we
move
the
the
fire
chief
through
the
the
pay
range
and
I'm
in
support
of
this.
But
do
you
want
to
follow
up
on
that
sure.
M
Thank
you,
member
crowd,
so
you
know
we're
in
the
process
of
making
a
an
offer
to
the
new
police
chief.
That's
why
it's
intentionally
vague
here
in
this
and
that
that
offer
to
the
new
police
chief
is
based
upon
a
calculation
associated
with
his
current
pay
grade,
as
well
as
overtime
earned
over
the
last
three
years
as
we
as
we
set
it
on
a
number
within
the
authority
that
the
non-union
payment
benefits
ordinance
grants
the
administration
to
to
extend.
M
We
realized
that
that
would
actually
put
the
new
police
chief
who's
not
been
a
chief
at
all
ahead
in
Pay
of
the
fire
chief
who's
been
a
chief
for
over
nine
years,
and
so
plus
we
didn't
play
the
city
for
longer.
So
you
know
my
request
this
evening
in
order
to
be
Equitable
they're
in
very
similar
type
positions.
Leading
similar
safety
departments
is
to
to
move
the
police
or
move
the
fire
chief
from
approximately
98
500
to
a
hundred
and
three
thousand
dollars
for
the
fire
chief
for
an
annual
salary.
J
M
J
Other
questions,
questions
from
the
citizens
or
other
elected
officials.
Okay,
thank
you,
director.
Stone
next
item
on
our
agenda
are
Appropriations.
We
have
a
couple.
First
is
a
bureau
of
workers,
compensation
refund
check
received
by
the
auditor's
office
in
the
amount
of
twenty
seven
thousand
six
hundred
and
three
dollars,
so
this
would
be
appropriate
to
the
general
fund
other
administrative
there.
Any
questions
about
this
BWC
refund
amount.
Other
members
of
council
citizens.
J
Thank
you
and
the
second
item
is:
we've
been
talking
about
the
Community
Improvement
Corporation
and
it
will
be
necessary
to
to
move
funds
within
the
city.
This
is
transferring
funds.
J
The
cic
fund
is
set
up
by
the
auditor's
office,
but
the
cic
monies,
including
the
grant
monies
that
the
cic
has
received,
are
not
City
money,
and
so
we
will
not
be
appropriating
that
that
money,
it
will
be
part
of
the
cic,
so
we
simply
need
to
transfer
those
funds
into
the
cic
fund,
and
this
would
include
money
that
we've
already
spent
on
the
Armory
project.
J
J
O
I
think
so,
but
I
might
have
to
think
about
that
a
little
bit
more
and
how
that's
going
to
look.
But
the
idea
is,
we
have
a
cic
fund
and
we
would
want
to
track
all
the
money
received
and
spent
in
that
fund
and
not
have
money
coming
from
the
general
fund
and
some
coming
from
the
cic
fund,
which
is
you
know
the
grant
money
that
we're
getting.
O
So
the
idea
would
be
to
be
able
to
say
how
much
money
we
have
spent
on
this
Armory
project
and
show
it
all
in
in
the
One
Fund.
That
makes
sense
so,
but
we've
already
spent
money
out
of
the
general
fund.
So
we
would
do
some
journal
entries
in
our
system
and
show
that
money
being
spent
out
of
the
cic
fund
and
received
from
the
general
fund.
K
O
K
O
Yeah,
it's
a
lot
of
money
and
we
will
be
sharing
that
money
with
three
other
entities
for
four
other
projects,
I
believe
and
but
the
the
you
know
the
plan
is
to
run
that
through
the
city
bookkeeping.
Just
like
we
do
our
other
things
like
that.
O
Have
stuff
we
have
run
money
for
projects
that
involve
OU
property
or
near
their
property
that
we
never
put
our
hands
on,
but
we
have.
We
show
it
in
our
accounting
system
as
money
from
say:
oh
dot,
that
was
paid
directly
to
the
contractor,
but
it
was
money
that
was
really
awarded
to
OU
and
things
like
that.
So
it's
just
a
matter
of
having
something
in
our
finance
system
that
will
track
that
money.
J
M
M
You
know
we
are
the
lead
applicant
for
the
Appalachian
communities
Grant
and
while
the
cic
is
one
of
the
sub
applicants
of
the
city,
the
city
of
Athens
is
indeed
the
lead,
Advocate
and
who's
going
to
administer
that,
as
it
goes
out,
passes
through
us
and
then
goes
to
those
other
applicants.
So
there
will
be
some
complexity
with
this,
but
what
I
didn't
want
to
have
happen?
Is
you
know
if
we,
if
we
did
start
to
move
things
during
Council,
be
on
recess
on
on
at
least
some
of
the
money
on
the
Army
project?