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Athens City Council - September 11, 2023
B
So
what
you
see
in
front
of
you
is
a
consolidation
out
of
Title
One,
probably
the
ones
that
are
most
significant-
that
everyone
is
interested
in.
Quite
a
few
of
them
are
from
are
from
code
and
have
to
do
with
certain
reviews
for
certain
applications
for
permits.
We've
not
increased
for
a
number
of
years
on
those,
and
so
we've
requested
minor
increases
in
those
in
order
to
deal
with
staff
time
associated
with
reviewing
those
permits.
Additionally
the
sewer
fee
increase
is
included
in
here.
B
Those
sewer
fee
increases
would
be
four
percent
for
the
base
rate.
That's
the
first
thousand
gallons
that
anybody
pays
and
then
two
percent
increase
for
each
additional
thousand
gallons
based
upon
which
category
they're
in
whether
they
be
residential,
commercial
or
industrial,
and
then
parking
fee
increases.
The
parking
fee
increases.
B
You
know
right
now
we
collect
whether
I
mean
you
could
pay
by
the
app
obviously,
but
if
you're
paying
coins
you're
paying
with
quarters
or
dimes
and
as
a
way
to
avoid
random
amounts
of
change
for
the
various
increases,
we've
just
recommended
a
quarter
increase
basically
in
each
one
of
those
categories.
So
that's
that's.
What
I
have
the
increases
are
highlighted
in
yellow,
based
on
what
we've
recommended
and
I'll
take
questions
from
there.
C
C
Part
one
would
be
administrative
fees.
What
what
Mr
Stone
alerted
to
alluded
to
right
off
the
bat
permitting
and
things
like
that
administrative
fees
are
the
things
that
affect
the
fewest
number
of
people
in
the
city
on
a
daily
basis,
not
everybody's,
a
landlord,
not
everybody's,
improving
their
house.
C
The
second
category
would
be
the
parking
garage
and
and
the
the
meters
the
whole
thing
about
parking,
and
the
third
topic
would
be
the
sewer.
That
is
the
category
that
affects
the
most
people
on
a
daily
basis.
We
all
have
water
on
our
house
and
we
pay
for
the
water
coming
in
and
we
pay
for
the
sewer
going
out
rather
than
bunching
these
all
into
one
ordinance.
I
actually
mentioned
this
to
the
mayor
yesterday
when
he
was
kind
enough
to
be
visiting
our
neighborhood
I.
C
A
B
Safety
director
style,
the
reason
these
are
all
bunched
together.
President
nisley
is
because
city
council
asks
for
them
to
all
come
at
the
same
time.
So
this
is
certainly
is,
is
no
intent
of
the
administration
to
go
and
put
them
all
together.
It's
because
Council
asks
specifically
for
us
to
consider
them
all
at
once,
and
so
that's.
A
E
F
E
But
that
we
separate
into
those
categories
by
ordinance
now,
having
said
that,
which
I
believe
is
what
he's
saying
I'm,
not
sure,
I
understand
exactly
how
that's
going
to
help
in
if,
if
individual
community
members
are
out
in
their
homes
and
are
following
our
ordinances,
seeing
an
ordinance
on
sewer
and
water
versus
an
ordinance
that
has
you
know
additional
things
in
it,
I
don't
know
if
they
can't
see
the
sewer
and
water
in
one
place
rather
than
in
two
different
places
anyway.
That
director
still
I
think
I.
A
C
In
response
to
the
member
Corral's
comments,
you're,
absolutely
right,
that's
that's
what
I
was
proposing
by
lumping
these
all
together,
it's
kind
of
like
the
bills.
We
sometimes
see
in
the
State
House
and
in
the
national
government,
where
everything,
but
the
kitchen
sink
gets
thrown
into
a
bill,
because
there
are
more
good
things
in
that
build
and
bad
things.
C
They
throw
in
there
that
you
can't
have
diversity,
training,
that's
a
bad
thing,
combined
with
a
good
thing
now.
Does
the
good
outweigh
the
bad?
That's
a
decision.
We'd
have
to
make
and
I
think
there's
some
problems
in
these
fee
increases
that
may
outweigh
the
good
and
therefore
I
would
have
a
difficult
time
voting
for
this,
as
as
is
I.
A
Hear
what
you're
saying
I'd
also
know
that
the
fee
increases
is
a
fairly
specific
topic.
I
understand
what
you're
saying
that
there
are
differences
between
administrative
parking
and
Sewer
in
your
mind,
but
I
think
they're
all
fairly
specific
and
point
to
the
operations
of
a
city
and
what
we
need
to
be
able
to
break
even
on
them.
Councilmember
Graves.
G
We
could
just
as
easily
discuss
one
topic
followed
by
the
next
topic,
followed
by
the
next
topic,
though
it's
all
in
one
ordinance
and
we
as
members
of
council
all
have
the
power
to
offer
amendments
to
an
ordinance
that
could
change
any
specific
parts
to
the
ordinance
and
then
those
those
amendments
could
be
voted
up
or
down.
It's
not
as
though
we
have
to
accept
or
reject
the
entire
ordinance
as
it
is
initially
introduced.
D
Yes,
I
wonder
if
your
concerns
put
in
the
minutes
as
well
so
yeah
I
actually
appreciate
what
member
Swank
is
suggesting.
I
think
that
it
helps
people
to
kind
of
understand
the
differences
in
in
going
through
this
it.
It
is
a
little
bit
challenging
to
go.
What
is
this
really
part
of
so
I
appreciate
what
he's
saying
I'm
not
going
to
fight
for
it,
though
so
it's
anyway.
D
Moving
on
to
my
concerns
and
I
want
to
go
through
and
look
at
the
differences,
specifically
regarding
re-inspection
kinds
of
things
and
things
that
involve
when
someone
has
an
offense
of
some
sort.
Okay,
so
I
start
off
with
garbage
rubbish,
offense
rates.
So
if
you
leave
your
trash
around,
and
some
of
these
things
are
a
little
bit
hard
to
grasp
really
first
offense
is
fifty
dollars.
Fifth
offense
is
a
hundred
and
fifty
dollars
Citation
for
sanitation
violations
and
solid
waste
violations.
First
offense
is
fifty
dollars.
Fifth,
offense
is
a
hundred
and
fifty
dollars.
D
I,
don't
know
if
that's
good
or
bad.
To
be
honest,
but
that's
not
my
point.
My
point
is
that
for
the
most
part,
I'm
guessing
and
I
guess
this
is
a
question
for
the
administration,
who
are
the
people
who
get
fined
for
this?
Are
these
individual
homeowners?
Are
we
talking
about
landlords
or
businesses
or
all
of
the
above?
You
know
who
does
this
really
apply
to.
A
A
Mean
I
could
be
wrong,
but
I
think
the
second
entry,
the
sanitate,
the
citations
for
sanitation
violation.
Historically,
those
were
increased
because
the
Solid
Waste
Control
Officers
were
finding
that
when
they
went-
and
these
are
predominantly
student
rentals
as
I'm
recalling
the
discussion-
and
there
was
no
response
or
a
flip-
we
don't
care
if
there's
another.
Fifty
dollar,
fine,
okay,.
A
F
G
H
D
That
correct
so,
okay,
so
maybe
I
appreciate
what
you
said.
Remember
Grace
I
appreciate
that
this,
and
my
point
is
not
that
these
are
changing.
Of
course
they're
not!
My
point
is
that
this
is
how
we
handle
it
when
there's
an
offense
we
build
up
so
that
it
there's
an
increasing
penalty
right.
Okay,
so
I'm
just
establishing
a
pattern
here
that
I
think
is
important.
D
Okay,
so
then,
with
water
rates,
just
a
delinquency
turn
on
penalty
is
forty
dollars.
Non-Sufficient
fund
charges
33
after
hours
turn
off
fee
is
fifty
dollars
I'm
guessing
for
for
those
kinds
of
fees,
it's
people
that
are
pretty
low
income
right.
So
this
is
a
pretty
hefty
fee.
Right.
I
would
think
I
yield
to
the
mayor
for
a
moment.
Thank.
H
You
no
I
mean
it's
not
necessarily
for
low-income
people.
Utility
billing
office
sees
individuals
who
have
the
wherewithal
to
pay,
but
just
for
whatever
reason
is
not
paying
it,
and
so
no,
this
isn't
singling
out
any
any
income
level
for
anybody
and
I
will
point
out.
The
after
hours
turn
off
requires
then
on
overtime,
for
an
individual
to
be
coming
back
in
to
turn
that
off.
D
Thank
you
that
does
make
sense
and
I
appreciate
it,
and
it's
still
I'm
trying
to
build
a
case
here.
Okay,
so
for
fire
inspection
safety-
and
it
was
nice
enough
to
Chief
Reimer
to
give
me
a
little
bit
of
insight
into
this,
but
for
the
first
reinspection
fee
at
zero
dollars
and
based
on
my
conversation
with
Chief
primer
that
made
sense,
they
want
to
make
sure
that
there
is
sort
of
a
warning
system,
and
you
know,
let's,
let's
get
them
to
get
it
right.
D
However,
what
my
concern
is
for
the
second
reinspection
fee
is
only
25,
but
that's
true
for
both
under
10
000
square
feet,
as
well
as
over
ten
thousand
square
feet
of
building.
Now
you
know
anybody
can
figure
out
that
over
ten
thousand
square
feet
is
going
to
be
more
labor
intensive
and
take
more
time.
D
So,
therefore,
it
seems
Justified
to
add
an
additional
fee
and
I'm
just
suggesting
one,
but
also
perhaps
increasing
that
I
think
it's
worth
a
discussion,
increasing
these
fees
so
that
they
are
worth
the
time
for
the
city
to
go
out
and
do
it.
We
are
understaffed
in
our
fire
station
and
I.
Would
like
to
do
more
to
provide
some
fees
that
will
help
them
do
their
job,
especially
as
we
are
growing.
As
you
know,
I
live
in
University,
Estates
and
right
across
the
road
from
us.
D
We
have
these
big
apartment,
complex,
a
new
large
common
apartment,
complex,
and
we
could
really
use
a
building
inspector
who
could
check
for
the
kinds
of
things
that
fire
could
be
a
disastrous
fire
now
this
wouldn't
cover
all
the
costs,
but
I
think
it's
something
to
talk
about
to
build
a
case
for
increasing
the
fees
and
I.
Don't
think
that's
unreasonable
moving
on
to
the
next
page
or
your
other
side
of
the
page,
so
each
subsequent
re-inspection
fee
after
the
third
increases
by
50.
D
I
think
it
ought
to
be
more
and
I
think
that
for
larger
buildings
it
ought
to
be
much
more
if
they've
gotten
to
that
point,
they
don't
care
clearly
and
it
needs
to
hurt
a
little
bit.
As
you
said
earlier,
we
get
more
of
a
response
when
we
start
to
increase
the
fee,
so
I
think
it's
worth
that
discussion,
especially
given
how
much
it
costs
to
send
a
person
out
to
do
this.
H
Maybe
restructuring
the
language
somewhat
to
where
it's
not
a
fee.
A
fee
sounds
like
a
nice
thing
to
pay
or
it's
a
fine
is
something
that
is
impacting
you
to
where
now
you
are
continually
becoming
for,
like
a
better
term
or
repeat
offender
on
whatever
it
is,
that
is
causing
a
fire
department
to
have
to
go
back
and
re-insect
and
reinspect
and
reinspect,
then
it
just
becomes
an
escalating
fine.
E
So
if
I
understand
correctly
and
I'm
I'm
catching
up
here,
there
is
an
annual
fire
inspection
and
if
a
violation
is
noted,
that's
when
they
have
to
be
reinspected.
So
your
point
being
is
that
if
they
have
to
keep
coming
back
and
back
and
back,
this
ought
to
add
up
more
than
it
does.
My
question
is:
is
at
the
state
level
or
at
the
municipal
level?
Isn't
there
a
point
where
you
can't
just
you
get
shut
down,
or
is
it
the
level
of
the
violation
that
matters?
E
I
I
Now
they
do
give
us
certain
amounts
of
the
State
Farm
Marshal
office
initial
fee
for
doing
an
inspection
as
they
do
with
ou
is
two
hundred
dollars
and
then
the
repeat,
I
have
to
look
and
see
what
their
schedule
is
as
far
as
increasing
that,
whether
it's
the
200
for
the
reinspection
250,
whatever
the
case
may
be,
but
they
do
have
a
certain
provision
within
the
higher
fire
code.
It
allows
the
State
Fire
Marshal's
Office
to
penalize
up
to
a
thousand
dollars
a
day.
I
If
they're
still
not
within
compliance,
then
they
would
have
to
go
through
the
legal
system.
The
same
as
you
would
do
here
in
order
to
prove
that
it's
almost
say
it's
a
nuisance,
but
they're
not
complying
with
it.
What
we
usually
do
on
our
end
is
if
they
have
not
shown
any
progress
towards
fixing
the
issues
that
we
have
have
brought
up
to
them.
I
We
have
a
little
bit
of
a
leniency
to
it,
but
if
they
haven't
shown
any
progress
and
they
just
keep
snuffing
on
their
face,
as
we
keep
going
back
and
said,
you
still
haven't
taken
the
the
Panic
bar
or
put
a
panic
bar
in
that
back
exit
yeah
we're
not
going
to
do
it.
Well,
then
we
just
end
up
taking
about
usually
it's
the
third
or
fourth
offense.
I
Yeah
there
are
times
we
just
say:
you
know
we're
turning
over
the
State
Farm
ourselves,
you're
not
going
to
listen
to
us,
they
have
more
teeth,
they
can
come
in
and
say
we're
taking
this
inspection
over
and
we're
going
to
give
you
a
thousand
dollars
today.
Fine,
because
they
have
it
within
their
code,
we
would
have
to
adopt
something
or
more
Progressive
fees
or
fines,
as
the
mayor
is
saying,
is
a
fine
or
is
it
a
fee?
I
Do
we
say
yes
we're
going
to
adopt
this
section
of
it
and
say
if
you're
not
complying
with
by
the
third
or
fourth
offense,
then
it's
going
to
be
a
thousand
dollars
a
day
for
everything
or
we're
going
to
shut
your
business
down.
If
it's
an
immediate
life
safety
issue,
we
will
suggest
shutting
the
business
down
and
that's
gasoline
some
of
that
major
storms
were
storing
gasoline
inflammable
products
inside
of
a
grocery
store,
something
that's
not
supposed
to
be
doing
all
right.
I
We're
shutting
you
down
immediately
until
you
get
this
stuff
out
of
here
correct
the
problem
immediately.
We
cannot
wait
30
days
for
you
to
fix
this
issue,
so
we
take
care
of
it
that
way,
but
is
the
way
our
process
goes,
is
more
of
a
fee
schedule
of
we're
doing
25
for
the
reinspection.
That's
that's
on
the
second
return,
so
on
the
first
one,
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
we
are
trying
to
encourage
people
to
say,
hey
hurry
up
and
get
this
fixed.
I
If
you
get
this
fixed
you're,
making
progress
on
it,
you're
you're,
showing
us
I,
can't
get
this
exit
signed,
replaced
because
I
can't
find
an
electrician
that
wants
to
come
in
here
and
take
care
of
that
type
of
deal,
they're,
making
an
effort
to
alleviate
and
fix
those
issues.
It's
not
an
immediate
life
safety
issue,
then
you
know
that
first
re-inspection
is
like
great.
Thank
you
for
doing
the
job.
We're
just
back
here
as
a
courtesy,
make
sure
it's
taken
care
of
we're
not
going
to
be
back
for
a
while.
I
A
D
Council
members,
to
be
honest,
thank
you
and
thank
you.
Chief
Reimer
I
really
appreciate
that.
The
point
being
here
is
that
if
I'd
rather
have
us
get
some
of
those
funds
before
we
have
to
go
to
the
state,
you
know
so,
let's
hit
him
where
it
hurts.
Just
a
little
bit.
I
I
mean,
in
my
conversation
with
Chief
Rhymer
I'm,
all
about
let's,
let's
encourage
them
to
do
the
right
thing.
D
If
they've
got
a
problem,
they
can't
get
an
electrician
sure
give
them
a
break,
but
if
that's
not
happening,
let's
hit
him
where
it
hurts,
so
they
get
it
done.
This
is
life
and
death.
Stuff,
remember
College
Hill!
That
was
a
disaster,
that's
a
whole
other
conversation,
but
in
any
case
we
don't
want
that
to
happen
again,
we're
getting
more.
You
know
the
apartments
near
nearby
me
that
I
want
to
make
sure
stay
safe
and
whatnot,
and
you
know
Chief
Reimer
personally
goes
out
and
does
a
lot
of
these
inspections
himself.
D
We
need
some
more
staff.
Let's
get
some
more
funding,
let's
hit
them
where
it
hurts.
Okay,
moving
on
all
right,
so
then
I'm
a
little
concerned
about
rental.
Permit
fees
Okay
so
and
I
need
some
clarity
and
about
this
with
the
rental
permit
fee
for
forty
dollars
per
bedroom
per
rooming
house.
What
is
a
rooming
house?
What
does
that
even
mean
or
short
term?
What
does.
D
Okay,
if
that's
the
case,
then
my
concern
is:
it
says:
rental,
permit
fees,
75
per
unit
for
more
than
10
units
in
one
building,
but
a
hundred
and
fifty
dollars
per
unit
up
to
10
units
in
one
building.
So
that
brings
up
another
issue.
As
you
know,
a
lot
of
these
newer
complexes
for
students
in
particular
have
four
bedroom
apartments
and
they
charge
each
each
room
the
equivalent
of
an
apartment.
Essentially,
are
we
getting
the
revenue
for
that
because
that
seems
like
they're
trying
to
get
out
of
paying
the
fees.
G
Grace
I
would
just
say:
if
it's
a
single
apartment,
then
the
inspection
of
what
needs
to
be
inspected
doesn't
change
dramatically.
So
if
you
have
four
bedrooms,
but
you
still
just
have
one
kitchen,
one
common
living
area
in
terms
of
the
inspection,
I
I
would
say
that
a
unit
a
per
unit
fee
makes
sense
if,
if
I'm
understanding
your
question
correctly,
yes.
D
It,
but
it
seems
to
me
that,
if
there's
four
bedrooms,
wouldn't
that
be
more
to
look
at
if
they're
charging
for
if,
if
we're
charging
at
actually
it's
not
about
inspections
at
this
point,
this
is
just
a
rental
permit
fee
we're
talking
about
what
I'm
talking
about
is.
If
they
are
getting
four
bedrooms
and
charge
for
each
of
those
bedrooms,
then
each
of
them
they
should
be
charged
more
than
if
it's
a
four
bedroom
for
one
family.
F
J
B
Thank
you,
president
misley.
So
permit
fees
are
supposed
to
be
associated
with
roughly
the
cost
incurred
by
City
staff
to
regulate
that
activity
so
to
member
spell
this
was
this
point.
It
probably
does
take
slightly
more
time
to
inspect
a
four
bedroom
apartment
than
it
does
to
inspect
a
one-bedroom
apartment.
B
Historically,
we've
not
drawn
a
distinction,
because
you
know
it's
it's
kind
of
in
the
wash.
We
have
been
specific
in
drawing
a
distinction
between
you
know.
Significant
multi-unit
buildings
versus,
like
an
individual
house,
say,
for
instance,
that
you
would
go
to
with
150
per
unit
say
for
that
individual
house
versus
the
75
per
unit
for
say,
A.
You
know
an
apartment
complex
that
has
40
units,
and
that
has
to
do
with
time
associated
with
arranging
for
Access.
H
I
may
just
yeah
really
quickly,
I
think
a
really
something
that
Council
really
needs
to
hear
is
again
in
a
multi-unit
apartment,
complex
like
the
edit
coats
run,
which
has
a
thousand
units,
you
know
or
well
X
number
units
a
lot
again.
It
doesn't
distinguish
between
a
one
bedroom,
a
two
bedroom,
a
three
bedroom,
four
bedroom.
The
inspector
goes
in
and
looks
at
all
of
them
all
the
same.
Under
this
current
fee
structure,.
D
Yes,
and
what
I
would
say
is
I,
don't
think
that
that's
right,
because
I'm
guessing
that
each
of
those
individuals
that
have
separate
bedrooms
have
to
allow
somebody
to
come
in
and
look
at
their
individual
bedroom
and
if
there's
a
lawsuit,
because
I've
I've
spoken
with
a
law
director
about
this.
If
there's
and
other
people
that,
if
one
person
does
not
pay
their
rent
and
disappears,
all
those
other
people
are
liable.
D
It's
not
like
you're
dealing
with
one
family
you're
dealing
with
four
or
three
or
whatever
individuals
that
have
that
can
have
individual
legal
issues
and
individual
other
problems
with
with
the
with
their
Apartments.
So
it
to
me
it
is
different.
Now
I,
don't
think
that
they
should
be
necessarily
paid
by
unit,
exactly
as
we
would
for
a
whole
apartment,
but
I
think
that
needs
to
be
taken
into
consideration
as
we
consider
fees
for
rentals.
D
D
D
If
if
the
apartment
is
not
kept
up
and
they
fail
their
inspection,
there
is
a
forty
dollar
re-inspection
charge,
forty
dollars,
that's
it
no
matter
how
many
times,
no
matter
if
it
goes
on
for
a
year,
forty
dollars
for
each
one,
forty
dollars
all
these
other
things,
fifty
dollars
for
the
first
offense
150
for
the
fifth
offense
forty
dollars
if
the
inspection
is
not
complied
with.
Now
that
just
does
not
seem
right.
I
mean
really
come
on.
That's
just
not
right.
D
That
needs
to
change
and
I
know
that
not
every
every
Community
has
this
kind
of
thing.
But
we
have
some
issues
in
this
community.
We
have
some
pretty
lousy
Apartments.
We
have
wonderful
landlords
like
member
Grace.
Thank
you
very
much
and
we
have
some
other
terrific
landlords
who
are
very
fair
and
really
do
a
good
job.
We
also,
as
we
all
know,
as
with
anything
else,
we
have
a
few
landlords
who
are
not
and
they
do
get
away
with
not
being
inspected
and
passing
their
inspections
more
than
once.
D
I
think
that
ought
to
hurt
them.
I
think
we
should
be
really
fair.
In
fact,
I
would
argue
that
for
landlords
who
are
consistently
passing
their
inspections,
they
should
get
a
break,
I
mean
don't
let
them
give
them
a
three-year
license
or
whatever,
so
they
don't
have
to
pay,
but
for
those
people
who
have
really
bad
records
make
it
hurt,
because
forty
dollars
is
nothing
so
I
am
arguing
strongly
for
a
much
more
robust
effort
to
rein
in
some
of
the
bad
landlords
that
we
know
exist
in
our
community.
D
So
I
know
that
one
Community
I
spoke
to
said
that,
although
ninety
percent
of
their
Code
Enforcement
cases
are
resolved
by
the
property
owner
when
voluntary
compliance
is
not
obtained.
However,
the
city
pursues
criminal
charges
now,
I
talked
to
them
and
they
said
criminal
charges
doesn't
really
work
that
well,
but
civil,
so
they're,
trying
to
move
over
to
civil
but
I
think
we
need
to
be
much
more
robust
and
I
think
it's
absolutely
shameful
that
we
have
the
system
that
we
do
now.
A
Comments
duly
noted:
do
we
have
any
additional
comments
from
Council
Members
we're
going
to
work
to
bring
this
to
a
close
for
our
initial
discussion
on
this?
So
a
couple
more
comments
from
council
members
and
opportunity
for
our
Administration
to
respond
council,
member
Grace
and
council
member
Swank,
followed
by
mayor
Patterson
I.
G
But
I
wanted
to
clarify
that
I
think
it's
important
that
we
keep
in
mind
the
difference
between
a
permit
fee
and
much
like
in
the
case
of
the
fire
inspections
and
a
fine
or
a
penalty
that
is
being
assessed
for
non-compliance
and
so
in
terms
of
the
rental
permit
fee
and
members
of
illnesses,
points
about
a
unit
that
has
perhaps
four
occupants
on
four
separate
leases.
They
do
not
all
have
to
give
permission
for
their
room
to
be
inspected.
G
That's
if,
in
a
large
complex
where
these
types
of
units
would
exist,
the
landlord
would
provide
a
blanket
notice
to
all
residents
that
inspections
will
be
taking
place
at
us
at
time
and
I
know
that
I
as
a
landlord,
even
I,
don't
own
any
large
complexes.
But
if
I
have
a
home
that
has
multiple
residents,
I
notify
them
in
advance
at
least
24
hours
in
advance
that
an
inspection
will
be
taking
place
and
that
I
will
be
there
with
the
code
inspector
and
that
they
may
be
present
or
don't
have
to
be.
G
G
Director
and
I
would
not
argue
against
those
being
heightened
or
enforced
more
regularly,
but
I
I
think
we
want
to
keep
in
mind
that
the
permit
fee,
as
our
service
safety
director,
said,
the
fees,
inspection
fees
and
permit
fees
are
designed
to
cover
the
cost
to
the
city
not
to
be
assessed
based
on
how
much
income
or
Revenue
a
landlord
or
a
vendor
is
receiving
from
holding
that
permit.
But
it
is
what
the
cost
is
to
the
city
to
conduct
that
service
and
so
I
think
we
should
keep
those
separate.
Okay.
A
D
30
second
model
and
I
agree
with
member
that
that
that's
correct.
However
I
know
I've
talked
to
the
law
director
about
the
fact
that
one
of
the
biggest
expenses
she
has
is
trying
to
deal
with
and
I.
You
know
she'll
have
to
correct
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
the
one
of
the
biggest
deals
she
has
to
deal
with
is
when
there
are
multiple
people
in
one
apartment
that,
if
somebody
bails
out
it
creates
a
big
problem,
because
the
other
people
feel
that
they
don't
have
to
pay
and
then
there's
all
kinds
of
legal
stuff.
A
C
B
Sure
thank
you.
Member
swing.
We
have
we
have
or
we
are
we
we
have
it's
it's.
You
know
I'm,
hesitant
to
say
on
television
what
times
the
parking
enforcement
officers
Patrol
the
the
garage
I,
don't
know
that
I
don't
want
to
divulge
that
information.
However,
both
our
parking
enforcement
officers,
as
well
as
our
our
police
department,
has
the
ability
to
take
it
inside.
C
C
My
suggestion
is
this:
when
it
comes
to
the
parking
rates,
let's
wait,
get
the
system
installed
and
see
what
the
revenue
difference
is
in
the
first
three
months,
six
months,
nine
months
a
year
at
the
current
time,
we
have
over
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
unencumbered
balance
in
7,
30
and
733
the
parking
garage
Fund
in
the
parking
garage
debt
fund.
We
may
or
may
not
need
additional
money,
but
the
fact
that
we're
going
to
be
able
to
generate
more
Revenue
because
of
this
new
kiosk
system,
I,
I,
think
kind
of
warrants.
C
C
67.52
I'm
reading
off
the
document
that
was
provided
Us
in
the
package.
Now
the
rationale
for
that
was,
we
had
gone
a
long
time
and
not
increased
our
sewer
rates.
In
fact,
the
eight
years
was
thrown
out
there.
Ten
years
was
thrown
out
there,
so
I'll
buy
the
10
years,
which
would
take
us
back
to
2008.
C
C
C
C
A
A
A
C
C
The
difference
is,
we
get
voted
on
and
elected
and
I
feel
a
responsibility
of
the
citizens
of
Athens.
To
make
this
point
very
clear,
and
if
it
requires
a
raised
voice
and
emotional
tone
so
be
it,
I
will
continue
to
show
respect
for
you
and
the
rest
of
the
members
here
and
those
in
the
audience.
But
I
cannot
with
a
clear
conscience,
vote
yay
on
something
that
takes
money
out
of
people's
pockets,
who
are
already
hurting.
G
Just
two
things
and
I
would
just
say
that
if
we
look
at
previous
agendas,
for
instance,
of
Prior
agendas,
an
item
on
the
agenda
stayed
at
disposal
of
police
department,
firearms
and
ammunition.
It
did
not
say
or
convey
to
anyone
that
that
was
already
decided
and
that
there
was
not
going
to
be
any
discussion.
It's
just
put
on
the
agenda,
as
that
is
the
topic,
so
I
just
feel
that,
as
far
as
agenda
topics
saying
fee
increases,
that
is,
the
topic
of
discussion
is
fee
increases.
So
I
think
that
is.
G
The
second
item
is
I
would
like
to
ask
if
the
city
Administration,
to
the
best
of
their
ability,
could
provide
us
with
a
list
of
sewer
system
improvements
that
have
been
done
since
perhaps
2010.
So
if,
if
we
had
that
large
increase
in
18
and
there
had
not
been
one
for
somewhere
eight
to
ten
years
prior,
then
I
think
we
need
to
be
talking
about
this.
The
total
increase
goes
back
to
whenever
that
that
prior
increase
was
somewhere,
2008
2010,
but
then
look
at
this
is
not
simply
the
cost
for
maintaining
an
existing
system.
H
Yes,
we
can
provide
that
list
to
you
quite
easily.
I
would
think
I
was
on
city
council
when
we
had
the
20
million
dollar
plus
renovation
to
the
wastewater
treatment
plant
and
at
that
point
in
time,
looking
at
our
debt
schedule
and
the
percentage
increases
over
a
16
plus
period
of
time.
So
we
can
get
that
for
you.
That's
not
an
issue.
H
It's
something
I
thought
about
in
2016
and
though
I
did
speak
with
several
landlords
about.
Maybe
we'd
look
at
a
three-year
period
of
time
to
where
you
know
that
we
could
potentially
change
that
fee
structure,
somehow
or
or
even
maybe
they're
doing
such
a
great
job
do
they
need
to
be
inspected
annually,
and
the
interesting
question
I
got
is
that
the
landlords
were
saying
I
want
to
be
inspected
because
without
inspections,
I
might
miss
something
and
therefore
I'm
liable
for
something
that
could
go
wrong
in
that
routine.
So
I
appreciate
your
comment.
K
Fine,
thank
you,
president,
as
this
will
only
take
about
45
minutes.
Don't
worry!
No
just
yeah
just
you
know
me
I'm
a
big
fan
of
trying
to
bring
levity
to
Impossible
and
while
we're
talking
about
code,
stuff
I
just
wanted
to
this
feels
like
an
appropriate
moment
to
give
a
little
shout
out.
I'm
a
renter.
My
apartment
was
just
recently
inspected
a
couple
of
days
ago
by
the
Athens
code
office
I
believe
his
name
was
Matt.
I
just
wanted
to
say
how
much
I
appreciated
everything
he
did.
He
was
excellent.
K
A
G
A
J
D
E
A
J
J
Dolly
is
a
big
believer
in
literacy.
Her
father
was
not
able
to
read
and
she
was
determined
that
that
not
happened
to
anybody
else
if
she
could
help
it.
So
she
started
out
in
her
home
county,
severe
Tennessee,
making
sure
that
every
child
in
that
county
got
a
book
every
single
month
from
birth
to
age.
Five,
and
it
was
such
a
big
hit
there
in
Tennessee
it
gradually
spread.
It
is
now
worldwide.
J
The
benefit
to
this
program
is
that
Dolly's
organization
takes
care
of
selecting
the
books
takes
fear
of
getting
the
books
printed
takes
care
of
shipping.
The
books
takes
care
of
the
database.
The
only
thing
that
we
have
to
do
is
get
people
signed
up
and
pay
two
dollars
and
ten
cents
per
child
per
month
for
the
books,
which
trust
to
me.
I
can
tell
you,
as
somebody
who
has
to
purchase
a
lot
of
books,
that
is
Bargain
Basement
prices,
and
these
are
really
high
quality
books.
J
So
the
way
that
this
got
started
here
in
Athens
County,
it's
been
operating
in
Ohio
for
a
while,
but
back
in.
Actually
it
was
when
Governor
dewine
first
took
office
and
I
should
mention.
We
have
here:
Debbie
Cantor
who's,
the
Southeast
Ohio
Regional
director
for
Dolly
Parton's,
Imagination
Library
of
Ohio,
but
governor
dewine
was
determined
to
get
the
Imagination
Library
into
every
single
county
in
the
state.
J
So
we
started
operations
in
January
of
2020,
with
the
Athens
County
Foundation,
as
our
501c3
partner,
so
the
ones
who
actually
hold
the
fund
and
Athens
County
public
libraries
are
the
official
local
affiliates
so
we're
the
ones
who
take
care
of
all
of
the
administration.
Over
the
last
three
ish
years
now
we
have
received
donations
direct
from
the
Athens
County
Foundation
from
Ohio
Health,
which
pledged
twenty
five
hundred
dollars
per
year
for
the
first
five
years.
The
libraries
also
contribute
to
the
fund.
Excuse
me,
Athens,
rotary
Foundation
has
contributed.
J
The
child
conservation
league
has
contributed
Athens,
City
schools
has
contributed,
and
also
the
Athens
County
Foundation
does
a
good
job
of
hitting
up
their
donors
to
support
the
fund
as
well.
So
what
does
that
yielded?
When
I
came
to
talk
to
you?
Last
year
we
had
1
443
kids
in
Athens
County
signed
up.
We
are
now
up
to
about
1700
children
currently
enrolled
that's
out
of
an
estimated
2,
600
or
so
eligible
children
in
the
county
that
Hep
total
eligible
population.
J
That
is
an
estimate
based
on
the
census,
and
so
it
does
fluctuate
a
little
bit
from
year
to
year,
but
it
is
basically
excuse
me
their
best
guess
for
how
many
kids
there
are
in
all
of
these
various
different
areas.
I've
been
convinced
for
a
while
that
they
are
massively
overestimating
the
number
of
kids
in
Ames
and
Byrne
Township,
because
that
is
consistently
pretty
low
there.
But
everything
else,
especially
when
you
look
at
it
in
aggregate,
is
pretty
accurate.
J
So
in
2022
that
means
that
we
mailed
out
18
324
books
across
Athens
County.
Those
are
books
that
are
going
into
households.
Each
book
arrives
with
the
child's
name
on
it.
These
books
are
being
treasured
by
these
families
and,
more
importantly,
living
in
Southeast
Ohio.
We
are
in
a
book
desert
down
here.
Any
books,
especially
kids
books
coming
into
our
community,
is
going
to
be
a
benefit.
Total
cost
of
that
was
38
352.8
cents
in
2022.
J
Half
of
that,
of
course,
was
picked
up
by
the
Dolly
Parton's
Imagination
Library
of
Ohio
I,
keep
wanting
to
say
the
Ohio
Governor's
Imagination
Library.
They
changed
their
name
this
year
and
in
addition
to
that,
they
actually
gave
us
every
affiliate
in
the
state
they
gave
two
months
free
in
2022
as
well,
so
the
total
that
was
paid
by
local
donations
in
2022
was
13,
145.34
cents
and
thus
far
in
2023,
we
have
received
about
six
thousand
dollars
worth
of
donations,
so
we're
about
halfway
there,
which
brings
us
to
the
ask.
J
J
So
this
number
is
going
up,
despite
the
fact
that
we
have
kids
rotating
off
on
a
regular
basis
going
through
those
addresses
showed
336.
Athens
City
addresses
currently
enrolled,
that's
up
from
240
in
2022,
and
that
means
a
cost
of
about
seven
hundred
dollars
per
month
for
Athens
City
children.
In
order
to
maintain
that
program
in
2022
very
generously,
Athens
City
gave
us
six
thousand
dollars
to
support
the
Imagination
Library
fund
at
the
Athens
County
foundation,
and
we
would
love
for
you
to
renew
that
six
thousand
dollars
this
year.
J
The
total
cost
for
Athens
City
children
in
2023,
though,
will
be
eight
thousand
four
hundred
dollars
approximately.
So
if
Council
would
be
great
interest
enough
to
increase
the
amount
that
you're
giving
towards
the
program,
we
would
be
greatly
appreciative
and
with
that,
I
would
gladly
take
any
questions.
You
have.
G
J
C
Last
year,
I
thoroughly
believe
in
this
program,
I
have
two
grandchildren
to
get
the
books.
I
forgot
to
bring
them
today.
The
ones
that
just
came
were
very,
very
colorful
on
the
cover
we're
talking
a
whopping
25,
a
kid
for
the
kids
in
Athens.
That's
it!
You
came
before
us
last
year
and
I
may
have
asked
this
last
year
and
I,
don't
think
it
went
very
far,
but
I
would
ask
it
again
would
Council
consider
rather
than
asking
Mr
Tepe
each
year
to
come
and
ask
for
this
to
do
this
over
a
three-year
period.
K
Thank
you,
my
my
only
concern
with
that
would
be.
Would
there
be
the
potential
of
cost
increases,
though,
because
we're
seeing
the
previous
one
was
six
and
this
one's
8400
and
then,
if,
like,
would
that
lock
us
into
like
oh
and
this
year
we
actually
will
be
better
if
we
got
an
additional
400,
but
we're
like
up
too
bad.
We
agreed
on
84
for
three
step
with
it.
I
don't
know
how
that
would
work
for
y'all.
J
So
honestly,
I
am
impressed
at
the
level
that
we're
at
currently
and
Debbie
I,
don't
know.
Maybe
you
can
say
what
other
counties
are
looking
at,
but
county-wide
we're
almost
at
65
enrollment
when
we
first
signed
up,
but
for
this
I
was
told
that
you
know,
like
very,
very
few
counties
even
hit
75,
so
we're
doing
really
really
well
I.
H
I
have
a
couple
you
know
I,
rather
than
it
being
a
three-year
I
mean
Council.
Please
consider
anything,
but
you
know
possibly
a
two-year
if
we're
seeing
potentially
a
slower
creep
moving
forward
to
not
lock
into
three
years.
I
agree
with
Mr,
Tepe
and
I
agree
with
the
the
question
that
was
raised.
You
don't
want
to
do
that.
You
don't
want
to
lock
yourself
into
where
all
of
a
sudden
you're
having
to
amend
and
and
resubmit
something
in
the
future.
The
last
thing
I
want
to
share.
H
You
know
the
the
social
return
on
investment
for
a
program
like
this.
It
is
calculable
and,
in
my
opinion,
it's
it's
pretty
significant.
You
know
to
have
this
many
books
in
the
hands
of
infants
on
up
to
the
age
of
five
is
an
amazing
program.
I,
remember
sitting
in
the
governor's
mansion
several
years
ago.
E
And
I'll:
just
you
know
we
don't.
Demographics
are
demographics
right.
We
know
that
the
number
of
high
school
seniors
is
by
2025,
so
I'm
sure
the
number
of
five-year-olds
Also
may
change.
It
may
go
either
correction
great
for
the
program
to
continue
to
grow
and
to
get
100
of
the
Children
Athens
County
that
we
don't
know
so
maybe
your
point
about
a
two-year
cycle
might
be
something
to
consider
any
comments
from
members
of
the
public.
L
E
L
F
L
F
K
F
E
Do
it?
Okay,
other
comments,
members
of
other
members
of
the
council,
any
comments,
members
of
the
public,
anything
additional
from
the
administration,
okay
and
the
next
appropriation
item
I'm
going
to
do
both
these
together.
The
environmental
coordinator
for
the
city
of
Athens
is
requesting
safety
supplies.
However,
the
the
budget
that
he
has
is
in
his
Capital
line
and
the
transaction
code
500s.
E
So
we
would
like
we're
proposing
to
decrease
that
Capital
line
by
500
and
increase
the
200
300
transaction
codes
so
that
he
can
buy
some
safety
supplies
for
his
storm
water
program.
Questions
from
the
committee
about
this
increased
decrease
for
Mr
Adam
Sutherland
was
a
council
members
of
the
public
anything
to
add
from
City
Administration.
Thank
you
and
finally,
we
have
a
request
from
the
city
and
the
auditor's
office
has
has
made
this
quite
clear
that
this
is
necessary.
E
E
The
auditor's
office
has
expressed
that
this
is
very
important
for
the
payroll
of
Arts
Parks
and
Recreation,
so
it
may
require
suspension,
but
this
is
an
item
that
we've
discussed
over
the
past
few
years
on
Council
and
it's
important
that
our
that
our
staff
are
paid.
We
also
need
to
look
closely
at
at
the
Arts
Parks
and
Recreation
budget
as
we
go
into
2024
and
and
try
to
solve
some
of
these
issues
with
needing
these
increases
late
in
the
year.
E
E
B
You
so,
first
of
all,
when
we
certified
resources
at
the
beginning
of
the
year
on
the
revenue
side
to
say
you
know
what
our
starting
point
for
unappropriate
balance
was.
We,
we
included
a
200
000
transfer
from
somewhere
into
the
Arts
Parks
and
Recreation
fund
270..
Now
the
implication
is
that
that's
somewhere
probably
was
going
to
be
the
273
fund,
which
is
the
you
know,
the
additional
Levy
money
that
we
passed
a
few
years
ago
to
pay
the
debt
service
on
the
pool
and
to
do
Capital
Improvements.
B
But
it
also
has
been
the
source
of
funds
that
we've
accessed,
as
we've.
You
know,
run
up
against
the
ceiling,
basically
on
on
what's
available
in
270
proper
funds.
So
what
has
occurred
is,
is
you
know,
we're
running
the
running,
a
razor
thin
operation
over
there
and
and
we
we
did
pull
in.
You
know
forty
five
thousand
dollars
more
in
pool
Revenue
this
year
compared
to
last
year,
but
also
we
had
quite
a
bit
more
expenses
in
the
in
the
pool,
specifically
with
large
items
breaking
you
know.
B
If
you
remember
last
year
in
August,
we
we
ended
up
closing
several
days
because
we
didn't
have
staff,
because
all
the
lifeguards
went
back
to
school
and
we
had
to
we
had
to
close,
and
this
year
we
hadn't
had
to
do
that.
We
made
sure
we
hired
enough
lifeguards
and
so
there's
been
more
expenses
as
well,
and
so
you
know
this
is
I,
wish
that
we
didn't
have
to
do
this.
I
really
I
really
do
I'd
rather
and
Catherine.
B
Ann
is
probably
the
Arts
Parks
and
Recreation
director
is
probably
the
most
shaken
up
and
tore
up
about
doing
this
because
she
has
designs
on
all
of
that
273
money.
You
know
she
has
Capital
Improvements
around
all
the
parks
in
the
city
that
that
we
want
to.
We
want
to
achieve
you
know,
but
but
you
know,
people
cost
money
and
when
things
break
in
a
very
you
know,
fancy
Advanced
Pool,
they
all
all
across
money
as
well,
and
when
boilers
break
and
endurance
things,
it's
it's
a
it's
just
expensive.
C
B
I
mean
it's
four
wages
and
insofar
as
there's
there's
a
cash
flow
issue
and
that
you
got
to
have
enough
cash
in
the
that's
been
received
into
the
into
the
fund
to
be
able
to
make
payroll
at
any
given
month.
So,
but
you
know,
those
expenses
are
wages
and
utilities
and
repair
costs
and
everything
that
that
have
have
been
burning.
B
E
C
H
So
when
you
really
expand
your
lifeguard
staff
to
include
15
16
year
olds,
which
you
know
when
I
took
office,
we
weren't
hiring
16
year
olds
to
work
at
the
pool
and
I
felt
that
that
was
a
real
opportunity
for
people
to
understand
how
to
manage
their
money
at
the
youth.
So
that's
something
else
we
have
to.
Certainly
we
are.
E
A
M
Couple
of
items
on
our
city
and
Safety
Services
agenda
this
evening:
first
Athens
city
code,
Title
IX,
General
regulations,
chapter
9.05,
Fire,
Control,
petroleum
liquids,
mending
section
9.05.99
on
penalties,
City
Council
Members
have
a
document
suggesting
amendments
on
the
drive
and
I
believe
we
still
have
our
fire
chief
here.
Who
may
wish
to
make
some
overall
comments.
If
that
would
be
permissible
Chief
Bremer,
would
you
mind
giving
us
some
of
your
thoughts.
I
Good
evening
again,
this
is
not
just
for
petroleum
liquid
stuff.
This
is
more
concerning
the
penalties
that
are
currently
on
the
city,
ordinances,
which
are
quite
outdated.
One
of
the
ones
in
particular
that
I
noted
on
there
were
interference
with
the
fire
scene
and
that
what
had
a
note
of
was
it
was
a
minor
misdemeanor
with
up
to
a
hundred
and
fifty
dollar
fine.
But
we
were
recording
for
law
director.
We
were
not
allowed
to
seek
restitution.
I
So
if
somebody
decided
to
drive
over
one
of
our
fire
hoses
hooked
to
a
hydrant,
we
would
only
get
150
out
of
that
and
that
hose
cost
about
eight
hundred
dollars
per
section.
So
it's
a
money
loser.
The
second
part
of
that
has
to
do
with
it.
The
part
paragraph
B,
if
you
read
in
here,
allows
with
the
section
90508
it
that
has
to
deal
with
the
following:
the
lawful
order
of
a
public
safety
official
and
where
this
comes
in
handy
when
we're
using
it.
I
The
most
is
when
we're
doing
our
occupancy
inspections
during
the
nightclubs
or
the
bars
Uptown
we're
running
to
an
issue
to
where
we
go,
and
we
say
you
need
to
keep
this
occupancy
down.
You're
100
people
over
and
you
shouldn't
be,
and
then
we
can
call
in
the
police
department.
They
give
them
a
minor
misdemeanor,
150.
Fine
and
that's
all
we
can
do
at
this
point
so
150
dollars
for
a
bar,
that's
making
thousands
of
dollars
a
night
or
whatever
it
is
for
overcrowding.
I
Their
bars
is
really
not
taking
it's
not
doing
the
job
of
getting
the
occupancy
down.
So
what
this
does
here
is
just
gives
us
the
ability
to
go
from
a
minor
misdemeanor
to
the
fourth
third
and
second
degree,
and
making
it
more
punitive,
as
it
goes
with
time
in
jail,
as
well
as
a
larger,
a
fine
to
it
and
will
hopefully
build
us
up
a
base,
and
if
that
still
does
not
take
care
of
the
issue,
then
we
need
to
find
some
other
legal
recourse
in
order
to
get
them
to
comply
with
with
the
order.
I
That's
one
of
our
biggest
issues
that
we're
dealing
with
now
is
we've
been
doing
this
for
years.
We
keep
going
out
they
just
unless
they
laugh
on
our
face.
They
just
blow
it
off
and
try
and
find
a
way
to
skirt
around
the
issue
and
we're
only
going
out
a
few
times
a
year
for
these
inspections
on
our
busy
weekends.
I
There
was
four
of
them
that
were
over
occupancy
the
weekend
before
that
there
was
two
of
them
and
so
and
we
gave
him
a
lawful
Order
ahead
of
time
saying
this
is
what
it
shall
be.
This
is
your
warning.
Here's
what
we're
going
to
do
from
here
on
out.
This
is
why
we're
trying
to
adjust
this
to
give
us
a
little
bit
more
teeth
in
order
to
hopefully
make
them
comply.
H
If
I
may
add,
Council
will
allow
me
a
question
for
the
fire
chief,
which
I
know
the
answer
to
but
I
think
it's
worth
mentioning.
You
know
how
many
repeat
head
counts.
Did
you
do
within
any
establishment
that
may
have
exceeded
their
capacity
and
did
firefighters
come
back
and
save
it?
Had
it
changed
to
go
up.
I
Though
they
have,
they
usually
hit
every
occupancy
at
least
twice
a
night,
sometimes
more
than
that,
especially
if
it's
a
continuous
borrower
bar
that
we're
having
issues
with
the
last
one
we
went
to.
We
had
one
this
weekend
where
we
went
and
they
were
35
people
over
don't
get
their
numbers
down.
We
went
down
hit
the
other
bars.
We
come
back
to
this
one.
Here
there
were
39
people
over.
The
number
had
gone
up,
not
down.
H
I
M
C
I
Yes,
it
is
we
provided
this
ourselves.
I
got
the
official
number
from
the
all
board,
Building
Code
office,
for
the
the
state,
and
this
is
what
they
issue
the
number
and
say
this
is
how
many
you're
allowed
to
have
in
this
establishment.
We
got
those
numbers
we
created
a
chart.
We
printed
up
a
sign
myself
and
the
code
director
sign
them
all
they're
laminated,
with
our
city
seals
on
it,
it's
above
every
door
when
we
walk
in
so
we
walk
in.
We
say
this
is
what
the
number
is.
C
I
But
I
don't
know
if
it's
high
enough
I
think
the
issue
is
going
to
be.
Is
it
going
to
be
enforced?
What
is
going
to
happen
when
we
say
here
it
is
that
is
turned
over
to
the
courts
and
what
is
the
court
going
to
uphold
and
what
is
it
going
to?
Is
it
going
to
get
the
attention
of
the
actual
owners,
one
of
the
things
that
we
have
been
doing
in
the
past
last
year?
It
was
a
minor
misdemeanor
charge
for
the
manager.
I
One
establishment
said
every
one
of
my
employees
is
a
manager,
so
I
give
you
a
misdemeanor
charge
and
the
next
time
I
come
back.
He's
the
manager.
Now,
the
next
time
I
come
back
well
she's,
the
manager
now
so
it
wasn't
really
doing
anything
to
it
and
one
bar
owner
or
one
manager
said
I'll
go
ahead
and
my
boss
said
he'll
pay
it
pack
them
in
here
as
tight
as
we
can
get
them,
because
we're
making
more
money
150
is
nothing
his
words.
I
So
I,
don't
know
what
you
really
I
I.
You
can
make
it
ten
thousand
dollars
the
only
thing
it's
really
gonna,
if
you're,
not
if
you're
gonna
hit
the
wallet
is
or
we
have
the
ability
to
suspend
their
liquor
license
and
say
you
know
what
you're
closed
for
the
month
of
October,
homecoming
and
Halloween.
I
Maybe
in
November
you'll
learn
a
lesson:
I'm
I'm,
sorry
I
know
I'm
getting
a
little
iron
right
now.
The
the
issue
is:
are
firefighters
are
getting
tired
of
being
laughed
at
and
going
out
and
trying
to
do
these
inspections
ensure
the
safety
of
the
occupants
and
of
all
the
the
the
patrons
to
all
these
establishments
and
they're
just
throwing
it
in
our.
I
With
the
question
for
you
in
the
state
I'm,
sorry,
that's
a
question
for
you
in
the
state.
I
I
cannot
tell
you
what
that
process
is.
I
can
tell
you
the
answer
that
I
received
from
the
state,
liquor,
board
and
and
Debbie
Walker
has
the
the
copy
of
that
email.
It
was
their
words
were
that's
upon
up
to
your
city,
council.
I
You
could
I
would
like
to
try
this
effort
first
to
see
if
this
takes
care
of
the
issue,
and
it's
not
just
this
is
not
the
only
issue,
there's
other.
If
you
read
directly
into
the
penalties
phase
of
this
of
other
ordinance
of
things
that
that
will
take
care
of
it
again
seeking
restitution
as
somebody
runs
over
a
fire
hose.
So
this
isn't
the
only
portion
of
it,
but
is
to
see
what
this
will
take
care
of
is
within
two
year
period,
I
had
one
Barn
particular
it
was
tapped
twice
this
year.
C
I
We
have
provided
education
to
these.
We
had
a
meeting
this
year
a
zoo
meeting
a
couple
years
ago.
We
brought
the
the
bar
owners
in
a
manager's
end,
showed
them
the
actual
video
from
the
nightclub
fire
and
Rhode
Island
killed.
100
people,
we've
told
them
all
the
legalities
and
the
issues
and
the
lawsuits
and
the
deaths.
And
what
can
happen,
and
it's
just
not
going
to
happen
here.
It
happens,
I
hope
it
doesn't
with
four
people
on
duty.
H
It
it's
time
consuming
and
it's
difficult
and
and
at
the
end
of
the
day
we
were
on
the
short
end
of
the
stick
and
that
no,
the
the
Commerce
and
liquor
controls
that
nope
the
liquor
permit's
going
to
be
issued.
So
I'll
look
into
it
to
see
what
the
actual
action
items
or
action
steps
are
for
Council,
but
it's
not
as
easy
as
Council
just
putting
forward
a
resolution
or
another
and
saying
business,
X,
Y
and
Z.
You
guys
are
closed.
That's
not
going
to
happen!
It.
M
Can't
happen
see
if
I'm
here,
I'm
hearing,
you
emphasize
the
point
of
enforcement
being
really
key
here,
that
the
line
increases
and
penalties
are
one
matter,
but
are
there
other,
and
you
mentioned
this-
is
a
place
for
us
to
start.
Are
there
other
measures
that
you
hope
might
be
considered
in
the
future
to
address
the
enforcement
part
more
or
the
incentivized
cooperation.
I
Well,
in
a
perfect
War,
we
wouldn't
have
to
be
doing
these
inspections.
People
would
mind
their
own
business
and
make
sure
that
they're
keeping
their
occupancy
down
they're,
keeping
their
exits,
open,
they're
they're,
taking
care
of
the
issues,
so
we
wouldn't
have
to
do
that.
Unfortunately,
it's
not
a
perfect
world
I
would
love
to
have
the
ability
to
send
the
firefighters
out
every
single
weekend
or
every
single
night
and
make
sure
they're
all
closed.
I
There
are
times
when
we
are
coming
back
from
a
fire
around
at
two
or
one
or
two
o'clock
in
the
morning,
and
they
see
or
look
over
and
see
that
bar
is
clearly
packed.
They
stop
the
truck
they
get
out
and
count.
They
talk
with
the
person
at
the
door
and
it's
not
one
of
our
normal
weekends
that
we
have
Dove
that
we're
going
out
or
busy
weekends.
This
again,
as
I
said
this
happens
all
the
time.
I
We
cannot
afford
to
pay
firefighters
over
time,
every
single,
Thursday,
Friday
and
Saturday
to
go
out
and
to
monitor
These
Bars.
We
can't
pay
police
officers
to
be
checking
for
fake
IDs
at
the
door
and
sitting
there
at
every
single
establishment,
which
would
keep
the
numbers
down,
which
would
keep.
You
know,
make
sure
that
they're
counting
as
they're
going
in
we
can't
afford
to
do
that.
It's
the
cooperation
of
getting
the
business
owners
to
understand
this
is
a
safety
issue.
It's
not
a
monetary
thing.
I
D
About
this
earlier
and
I
absolutely
support
what
he's
trying
to
do,
and
it
does
you
know
with
the
theme
we
had
earlier.
You
need
some
Progressive
consequences
and
if
you
don't
hit
him
where
it
hurts
they're
not
going
to
do
anything,
it
just
cost
a
business.
So
I
think
we
have
a
responsibility
to
make
sure
that
we're
consistent
about
that
across
the
board,
in
whatever
kind
of
policies
we're
working
on
so
I
support.
What
you're
you're
doing.
Thank.
I
You
I'm
back
sorry
back
to
councilmember
Swank's
question.
Do
I
think
this
is
enough.
Money
that
is
750
is
the
most
not
more
than
750.90
days
in
jail
for
the
owner
of
the
establishment.
750
a
lot
of
money
for
somebody
making
whatever
they
make
at
their
bars
that
I'm,
not
certain
of,
could
it
be
more
I'm
sure
it
could
I
guess.
The
underlying
thing
is
what
happens
when
a
owner
has
this
many
charges
on
there?
Are
they
able
to
renew
their
liquor
license
or
what
does
that
do
some
other
way?
I
M
I
I
again,
this
would
just
be
a
start
and
we'd
have
to
look
at
the
repeated
fences,
and-
and
this
goes
right
back
to
all
we
can
do-
is
issue
the
summons
according
to
the
law
director's
office.
Is
we
wait
until
the
week
after
or
Monday
or
Tuesday
and
say
Here's,
the
ones
that
were
in
clear
violation?
Here's
your
summons,
here's!
What
your
charge
is
going
to
be,
and
then
it
goes
through
the
court
system.
What
happens
after
that
is
in
the
Court's
hands.
I
So
that's
going
to
go
right
back
to
what
are
the
actual
punishments
incurred
or
given
to
these
these
owners
or
anybody.
That's
an
offense
of
these.
What
are
the
actual
punishments
that
they're
actually
getting,
and
is
that
lowering
it
I
can
tell
you
it
has
increased
we've
done
it,
the
last
two
weekends.
It
was
two
bars
one
weekend.
It
was
four
bars
this
past
weekend.
So
is
that
just
going
to
keep
going
up?
Thankfully,
not
hopefully.
D
Just
one
other
comment,
and
that
is
it'd-
be
interesting
to
see
what
other
like
communities
are
doing
in
this
regard,
because
I'm
sure
we're
not
the
only
ones
who
face
this
kind
of
thing.
So
it
might
be
helpful
to
see
what
you
know
Finley
or
whatever
are
doing
that
have
colleges
and
similar
issues.
So
maybe
they
have
some
answers
that
can
be
helpful
right.
E
I
I
I
Stuff,
because
we
this
this
is
an
all-encompassing
changing.
This
is
not
just
again
it's
not
just
for
bar
violations.
This
is
other
offenses
that
may
occur,
continual
harassment
or
interference
at
a
fire
scene,
so
they're
not
exactly
an
owner.
This
is
a
person
who
is
continually
coming
up
and
cutting
fire
hose
wherever
the
case
may
be
in
other
violations.
I.
M
I
F
M
G
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
we
are
talking
about
penalties
for
a
range
of
violations,
as
Chief
Reimer
stated,
and
also
that
for
these
changes,
when
we
set
a
specific
offense
level
that
a
fourth
degree
misdemeanor,
the
state
has
maximum
jail
time
and
maximum
fine
associated
with
different
offense
levels.
So
it's
we,
we
can't
say
well
it's
you
know
a
first
degree
misdemeanor,
but
we're
going
to
create
this.
This.
You
know
twenty
thousand
dollar
fine
associated
with
it.
There.
There
are
a
state
determined
maximums
for
the
for
by
offense
level,.
M
K
You
councilman
Eric,
thank
you
Chief
just
for
being
here
and
coming
with.
All
these
fee
increases
I,
just
I'm
a
complete
supporter
of
all
of
these.
Pretty
much
especially
I
want
to
make
sure
that
the
interfering
with
the
fire
scene
is
because
I
mean
you
know,
God
forbid,
there's
some
terrible
fire
uptown
things
get
chaotic
sure.
Maybe
they
run
over
a
like
a
line
going
to
the
to
the
hydrant.
K
What
if
we
have
firefighters
inside
on
an
interior
attack,
they've
run
over
their
line
now
they're
stuck
in
a
building
with
no
water
on
fire
like
that,
could
kill
something
it
could
easily
kill
any
of
our
firefighters.
So
it's
it's
a
I
just
I
want
to
emphasize
that
because
I
think
it's
very
easy
for
people
at
home
to
sort
of
hear
these
things
like.
Oh
a
fire
hose,
it
gets
wrong.
You
go
inside
a
building,
that's
on
fire
and
don't
have
any
water.
It's
terrifying!
K
Okay,
like
it's
a
really
serious
thing
and
also
don't
interfere
with
a
fire
scene.
What
are
you
doing?
God,
if
you
need
a
laugh,
go
on
the
internet
and
look
up
pictures
of
people
who
parked
in
front
of
hydrants
and
sometimes
the
occasional
engine
company
has
to
get
water
and
they
have
to
run
a
hose
through
the
car
which
is
hilarious
looking.
But
you
never
want
that
to
have
to
happen
so
be
cognizant.
What
you're
doing
I
guess
this
turned
into
a
PSA
by
accident,
but
don't
be
an
idiot,
come
on!
It's
not
hard.
M
Sorry,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Council
members
committee
members
Administration
any
questions
from
the
audience:
wonderful,
we'll
move
to
city
and
Safety
Services,
second
and
final
agenda
item
for
the
evening,
and
that
is
a
perhaps
less
complicated
memorandum
of
agreement
or
Ohio
organized
crime
investigations,
commission
task
force,
we've
discussed
a
number
of
collaborations.
Our
law
enforcement
has
entered
over
the
years
to
strengthen
and
broaden
our
reach
when
it
comes
to
the
ability
to
gather
information
and
collaborate
against
crimes
and
in
this
particular
task
force
collaboration.
M
We
are
talking
about
such
violations
as
murder,
corrupt
activity,
money
laundering,
trafficking
and
drugs,
human
trafficking,
kidnapping
assault,
aggregated
aggregated
aggravated
felonies,
and
this
member
memorandum
of
understanding
is
being
executed
among
several
different
Partners
here.
Looking
to
identify
those
specific
municipalities.
B
Sure,
thank
you,
remember,
Kerry.
The
requests
we
have
before
you
is
the
authority
to
enter
into
the
Ohio,
organized
crime,
investigations,
commission
and
a
specific
task
force
within
that
2209,
and
that's
the
one
that's
specific
to
Southeast
Ohio.
For
a
number
of
years,
we've
participated
in
what
we
all
refer
to
as
MCU
Major
Crimes
unit,
which
is
assigning
one
officer
from
the
city
of
Athens
to
an
organization.
That's
a
multi-jurisdiction
organization
that
subsequently
goes
after
large
crimes.
B
That's
based
out
of
Central
Ohio,
or
you
know,
Southeast
Central,
Ohio,
specifically
and-
and
you
know,
the
former
Chief
was
particularly
partial
to
that
particular
one.
We
can
afford
to
spend
one
officer
basically
on
one
of
these
task
forces.
You
know,
because
we're
basically
funding
that
officer
to
go
and
do
that
as
their
full-time
job.
B
Basically,
and-
and
so
you
know,
we
have
to
be
a
little
bit
choosy
about
how
many
of
these
We
join,
because
it's
a
commitment
locally
and
and
with
new
chief
on
board,
you
know
looking
at
the
whole
situation
holistically,
he
believes
it.
It
makes
more
sense
for
us
to
take
that
one
asset
and
instead
apply
it
to
this
specific
task
force,
which
is
more
Southeast,
Ohio
oriented,
and
so
you
know
it's.
B
It's
I
gave
him
basically
that
that
Latitude
to
come
back
and
recommend
to
me
which,
which
task
force
that
we
participate
in
and
he
thinks
we'll
get
a
little
bit
more
bang
for
our
buck.
If
we
join
the
specific
task
force
and
as
you
mentioned,
you
know,
there's
a
a
number
of
agencies
in
Athens,
Morgan,
Noble,
Monroe
Megs
in
Washington
County
that
are
involved.
The
two
documents
you
have
are
they're
identical.
B
Basically
one
of
them
is
the
original
memorandum
that
has
the
signatories
and
then
another
one
is
an
an
amendment
to
that
original
memorandum,
but
the
language
is
all
the
same.
Just
has
the
new
signatories
at
the
bottom
and
what
you're
doing
is
giving
me
the
authority
to
allow
us
to
enter
into
this.
Thank.
C
B
You
know
it's
it's
under
an
umbrella
out
of
the
it's
out
of
the
Ohio
I
want
to
say
the
Ohio
attorney's
General's
office
establishes
the
way
that
these
various
task
force
you
know
set
up.
However,
it
really
is
up
to
the
individual
participating
entities
to
decide
how
it's
going
to
be
allocated,
so
you
know,
for
instance,
Athens.
You
know,
even
though
Athens
County
was
part
of
this
task
force
starting
in
April
of
2022
Athens
city
did
not
did
not
participate
and
now
we're
asking
to
participate.
B
So
so
really
it
kind
of
is
a
function
of
the
you
know.
The
the
senior
Public
Safety
official
in
each
one
of
those
jurisdictions
to
decide
whether
or
not
they're
gonna
they're
gonna
participate.
It
just
so
happens
that
these
are
contiguous,
which
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
Given
you
know
just
proximity
for
for
various
crimes
that
occur.
M
A
You,
council,
member
McCary,
we'll
now
move
on
to
Planning
and
Development.
This
is
chaired
by
council
member
Grace
and
joined
by
council
members,
Crowell,
McCary
and
spelledness,
and
we
will
note
that
the
the
one
item
that
is
listed
on
here
and
the
council
members
did
receive
the
Planning
Commission
recommendation
and
details
of
that
development
and,
as
we
understand
what
has
happened
is
that
this
development
will
not
be
occurring
so,
but
we
did
have
it
on
the
agenda
and,
as
I
understand,
there's
also
somebody
here
from
the
public.
A
G
Yes,
so
we
do
just
have
one
item
on
the
agenda,
and
that
is
the
discussion
around
approval
of
the
homestead
court
and
Broadmoor
planned
unit,
development
or
PUD,
and
this
is
a
development
that
has
been
in
the
works
for
a
few
years
and
has
been
discussed
by
this
body
and
previous
incarnations
of
this
body
a
few
different
times.
But
the
Basics
are
that
it
was
to
be
a
Housing
Development
located
at
University
Estates
and
that
there
were
specific
incentives
being
agreed
to
by
the
city
in
the
form
of
a
tiff
the
tax
increment
financing.
G
G
G
H
That's
not
correct.
The
meeting
was
for
the
developer
to
tell
us
the
situation
that
they
were
experiencing
now,
with
development
interest
rates
with
material
costs
and
also
the
re-evaluated
cost
or
the
engineer's
estimate
for
the
cul-de-sac
unto
itself,
so
the
infrastructure
to
which
the
Tiff
would
be
used
to
repay
that
development
within
that
neighborhood
and
anyway,
it
was
looked
at
from
the
developer
standpoint,
with
a
change
and
and
to
kind
of
reinforce
what
councilmember
Grace
was
saying.
This
is
a
project
that's
been
in
the
plan
since
2018.
H
and
so
the
end.
The
estimated
cost
of
the
infrastructure
in
2018
is
significantly
different
from
what
it
is
now
in
the
Tiff.
The
Tiff
would
not
even
cover
the
interest
to
be
paid
on
a
project
like
for
the
infrastructure
portion
of
this
project.
So
not
even
the
Tiff
worked
out
there.
No,
there
was
never
a
conversation
as
to
maybe
we
changed
the
Tiff
and
the
way
we
can
do
it,
because
you
can't
the
the
the
the
7510
is
pretty
clear
in
terms
of
how
that
Tiff
can
be
used.
E
I'm
curious
this
project
spans
my
time
on
Council
and
it
was
an
exciting
project
and
I
thought
something
that
the
city
needed
and
I'm
disappointed
that
this
has
not
worked
out.
Reading
the
minutes,
I
see
that
the
engineering
estimate
I
believe
they
remarked
or
in
the
Planning
Commission
remarked
that
it
doubled,
which
seems
kind
of
out.
E
You
know
it
almost
tripled,
so
it
just
real
just
quickly
is,
is
the
lack
of
of
the
you
know,
Financial
feasibility
of
this
project
tied
to
some
of
the
restrictions
that
they
had
for
the
development,
because
that's
it's
really
important.
We
find
this
for
the
city
of
Athens
and
I.
I
is
this:
how
can
we
move
forward?
Sorry
if.
B
You
have
any
answers
there.
No,
the
the
answer
is
extremely
complicated.
Remember
crowd!
So
it's
both
tied
to
restrictions
that
were
established
because
that
added
you
know
there's
a
cap
on
on
what
they
could
charge
for
the
individual
units.
They
had
to
build
them
a
certain
way.
You
know
achieve
certain
goals,
and
so
you
know
those
are
costs
and
it's
also
tied
to
the
market
and
into
the
to
the
to
the
cycles,
all
right.
B
So
so
right
now,
the
you
know,
the
the
construction
industry
is
saturated
with
a
tremendous
amount
of
federal
money
associated
with
arpa
funds
and
expenditures,
and
other
expenditures
you
know
Intel
in
and
of
itself
is-
is
just
consuming
skilled
labor
in
the
state
of
Ohio.
It's
wonderful
for
the
state
of
Ohio,
it's
wonderful
for
the
United
States
of
America
that
we're
onshoring
production
of
semiconductors
again,
but
for
the
time
being,
it's
very
hard
to
build
things
in
in
the
state
of
Ohio
I'm,
very
happy
that
we're
getting
this
Fire
Station
built
honestly.
B
You
know
so
there's
there's
that
situation,
just
tremendous
demand
for
materials
and
labor
at
this
time
in
the
cycle.
Beyond
that
interest
rates
are
going
up
as
a
way
to
you
know,
cool
the
economy
and
so
those
two
things
both
an
increase
in
labor
costs,
increase
in
material
costs,
causing
that
construction
cost
estimate
go
up.
That
also
is
being
driven
by
some
of
the
requirements
to
be
put
on
not
a
lot.
You
know
like,
for
instance,
we're
letting
them
build.
B
Now
it
just
doesn't
happen.
Nobody
approaches
us
and
says
we
want
to
build
either
single
family,
detached
homes,
single
family,
attach
attached
homes
or
condominiums
in
the
city
of
Athens
and
and
can
make
a
profit.
You
know
there
still
is
demand
to
build.
You
know:
apartment
complexes
for
students
without
Town
developers
that
own
that,
but
right
now
this
type
of
housing-
it's
just
not
feasible,
and
nobody
is
approaching
us,
and
so
you
know
in
this
particular
situation.
B
G
D
To
be
honest,
yeah
I
can't
help,
but
ask
you
know
with
the
bridges
project,
there's
a
lot
of
housing
that
they're
talking
about,
and
this
doesn't
bode
well
for
that
either.
Based
on
what
you
just
said,
because
you
know
I
know
many
people
who
are
interested
in
this
kind
of
Housing
and
would
love
to
have
this
built
and
are
looking
forward
to
all
that,
including
me
by
the
way.
So
I
I
just
hope
that
there's,
if
there's
anything,
we
can
do
to
encourage
this
kind
of
Housing
and
make
it
more
feasible.
G
B
G
But
I
also
think
that
some
of
some
of
the
motivations
for
this
particular
development
were
to
have
a
price
cap
and
to
have
an
owner
occupancy
requirement
and
to
have
accessibility,
standards
and
so
I
I
think
we
we
wouldn't
want
to
say
yeah,
we'll
Grant
you
a
tiff
to
build
whatever
type
of
housing
you
want
to
build
and
sell
for
whatever
price
the
market
will
bear,
because
that
that's
not
within
what
our
interest
would
be
and
so
I
think.
For
now,
we
just
have
to
accept
the
situation.
G
That
is
there
way
too
many
forces
that
we
have
no
control
over
that
have
come
to
play,
and
but
I
I
would
ask
that
that
when
this
comes
before
Council
that
we
go
ahead
and
approve
at
the
recommendation
of
the
Planning,
Commission
and
Hope
I
hope
that
it
it's
we've.
So
much
of
the
groundwork
has
been
done
that
then
something
good
could
still
come
of
it.
Even
if
not
exactly
as
as
was
hoped,
member
Reisner,
yeah.
L
I'm
really
a
hesitant
about
voting
for
something
that
not
going
to
happen
and
I.
Frankly,
I
will
see
it
happening
in
two
years
and
what
I'm
worried
about
is
if
we
approve
this,
try
to
do
an
ordinance,
I
assume,
okay,
what
the
city
then
is
bound
to
do
what
are
we
then
committed
I?
It
seems
kind
of
open-ended
and
you're
getting
into
unknown
territory.
You
don't
know,
what's
going
to
happen
and
we're
well
committing
ourselves
to
something
that
we
don't
know
what's
going
to
happen.
L
L
A
C
The
Planning
Commission
has
approved
the
Pud
I,
hear
the
words,
uncertainty,
lack
of
clarity
again
and
again
and
again
in
everybody's
comments.
Is
there
a
statute
of
limitations
on
what
you
passed?
In
other
words,
if
this
body
were
to
do
nothing
and
in
a
year
two
three
four,
whatever
there
comes
some
clarity
to
this
process,
could
we
then
pass
the
ordinance
supporting
what
you
did
because
I'm
in
agreement
with
remember,
Reisner
I
I'm,
not
real
comfortable
voting
for
ambiguity,
so
in
other
words,
if
we
do
nothing,
how
long
does
what
your
action
last.
C
E
Remember
cross,
thank
you,
member
Grace
I'm,
a
little
confused
I
mean
if
this
was
going
to
happen.
I
think
we
were
all
in
support.
We've
been
talking
about
this
for
six
years
that
that
it
would
pass,
and
the
only
possibility
here
is
that
it
doesn't
get
done
at
all.
I
mean
I,
I,
don't
know
what
the
concern
is
well
from
some
members
of
council
about
what
is
going
to
happen.
You
can't
change.
Somebody
can't
come
in
and
say:
oh
yeah.
We
are
going
to
do
it,
but
we're
going
to
change
everything.
E
G
This-
and
that
is
my
position
as
well.
There
is
a
very
clear
process.
There
are
very
specific
plans
as
to
what
could
be
done
if
we
approve
this
PUD
and
I,
don't
think
there's
any
risk
of
like
they
can't
say.
Oh
well,
Council
approved
this
and
now
we're
gonna
as
remember
like
they
can't
change
what
has
already
been
approved
and
we
we
are
just
completing
the
process
with
what
is
what
would
be
the
city's
part
in
allowing
this
to
go
forward?
We
have
done
our
part.
G
G
C
C
This
thing
doesn't
get
built
to
2030.
The
minimum
price
is
three
hundred
and
nineteen
thousand
dollars,
but
there's
two
other
pieces
of
information
missing
we've
yet
to
receive
a
letter
of
support
from
the
Athens,
affordable,
housing,
commission
and
we've
yet
to
receive
the
same
letter
from
the
disabilities.
Commission.
C
G
Well,
under
some
definitions
of
affordable
housing,
it
depends
on
how
you
define
affordable
housing,
but
this
gives
two
years
for
the
plans
that
have
been
approved
by
this
body
to
to
move
forward,
and
it
it
is
it's
not
giving
them
an
open
license
to
do
something
else
within
the
next.
The
time
frame
are
there
other
comments
from
Administration.