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B
This
is
the
regularly
scheduled
meeting
of
the
Athens
City
Planning
Commission
November
17th
2005.
It
is
2:35.
We
have
four
of
our
five
members
present,
so
we
do
have
a
forum,
our
first
case,
if
any
of
you
decide
just
to
make
any
statements,
we
take
sworn
statements.
Would
you
please
stand
and
raise
your
hand,
and
do
you
go
here?
B
Affirm,
that's
everything
you
say
will
be
the
truth.
I
like
swear
better,
but
I
go
to
get
down
on
me.
Okay.
The
first
case
is
at
five
on
eight
Ryan
Pearson
Edwards
communities,
edge
group,
pre-application,
meeting
I,
haven't
been
out
of
town
I,
know
nothing
about
any
of
this
and
I
didn't
get
anything.
Isn't
they
also.
A
D
D
D
The
university
housing
business
for
the
past
five
years.
We
just
completed
three
projects,
one
in
the
University
of
Toledo,
the
University
of
Kentucky
and
then
also
Eastern
Michigan.
We
would
I
would
say
that
we
try
to
be
on
the
leading
edge
in
terms
of
design,
development
management
and
market,
and
this
is
some
bits
and
pieces
of
projects
that
we
have
completed.
D
This
is
also
specific
to
a
student
house
and
when
we
built
this
happen
to
be
our
courtyard
in
Eastern,
Michigan
landscaping
that
we
have
in
our
kentucky
site
tower
elements.
This
happened
to
be
a
piece
that
we
built
because
our
eastern
michigan
project
each
project
that
we
built
we
go
into
the
area
and
try
and
take
architectural
elements
of
the
area.
This
was
in
an
area
that
called
depot
town,
which
is
an
old
train
station,
so
he
built
this.
This
facade
that
was
reminiscent
the.
E
D
Watering
facilities
for
trains
they
had,
we
tore
down
an
old
paper
Melville,
which
was
called
Peninsula
paper.
So
we
say
we
saved
the
hundred-year-old
smokestack
and
then
we
developed
a
sign
as
our
identification
for
our
leasing
facility
and
club
facility.
It
was
reminiscent
of
both
Vince
or
paper
inside.
This
is
some
of
our
exercise
facilities.
We
happen
to
have
a
theater,
and
these
are
some
of
our
different
kinds
of
layouts
that
we
have
in
terms
of
the
furnishings.
We
do
provide
full
fully
furnished
units
and
we
and
all
of
these
markets
we've
been
on.
D
Existed
in
the
market,
similar
to
the
conditions
that
we
have
here,
we
build
with
what
a
common
amenities.
Today,
we
think
the
common
amenities
one
bath.
Each
person
has
their
own
bath
own
closet,
cable,
television,
Internet
facilities,
security
in
terms
of
panic,
panic
alarms
and
it's
really
more
fun
style
and
apartment
living,
and
it
is
what
we
typically.
D
F
F
Really
this
photo
board.
What
we
were
trying
to
do
here
is
just
show,
what's
going
on
around
the
site,
to
context
that
we're
sitting
in
that
we're
all
familiar
with
Simpson
Avenue,
there's
there's
a
little
bit
of
great
change
and
we
have
to
deal
with,
but
really
the
intent
of
this.
We
have
an
ambassador
or
longer,
if
you
silly
this
next
to
us,
that
we
couldn't
acquire,
there's
the
rollerball
so
that
whole
corner
the
thrift
store
that
is
out
of
the
property.
Those
are
all
our
neighbors.
D
D
D
We
I
did
gloss
over
that
I've
had
a
man
to
shake
my
head,
but
I've
had
extensive
experience
on
brownfield
remediation
and
luckily
it's
been
successful,
not
sure
if
it
would
be
this.
Your
brownfield
site
at
all,
but
I
have
had
completed
residential
projects
on
old
gas
stations
and
there
are
methods
to
successfully
handle
that
today
and
one
of
the
appropriate
things
probably
cap
and
keep
the
contamination
contained,
and
so
that's
that's
the
one
of
the
reasons.
The
new
parking
structure
would
work
well,
elevations.
D
F
We're
excited
about
it's
a
good
project.
It
seems
like
the
site
fits
this
need,
or
this
abuse
for
the
bigger
picture.
It's
it's.
You
have
the
Near,
East
neighborhood
to
the
north.
Stimson
Avenue
is
kind
of
a
transition
where
the
breakpoint
to
that
neighborhood.
You
got
the
campus
to
the
South.
You
have
uptown.
This
gets
a
quarter
everything's
about
a
five
minute,
walk
from
the
site.
A
D
F
That's
what
I
think
the
intent
is.
We
have
several
different
public
streets
that
we
can
use
to
get
around
the
building's
even
have
some
temporary
or
short-term
parking,
but
we
tried
to
get
some
sort
of
a
drop-off
area
over
to
the
east
side.
We
try
to
get
one
that
was
further
central
to
the
west
side
for
some
shorter.
F
Like
you
said,
you
drop
off
your
groceries.
Maybe
then
also
when
we're
trying
to
propose
a
sponsor
epartment
pulling
some
parallel
parking
off
of
the
drive
lane
and
actually
doing
better
and
try
to
create
the
streetscape
by
utilizing
the
parallel
parking
as
well.
Parallel
parking
gives
you
that
separation
between
the
pedestrian
and
the
actual
traveling
vehicles-
we
don't
know
the
logisitics
of
all
that
just
yet.
F
F
G
F
What
we
do
is
we
left
the
actual
travel
lane
on
stencil
and
I
pulled
the
parking
attendant
wide
parking
space
off
into
the
right
away
or
into
our
site.
Again.
We
were
trying
to
do
that
before
that
separation
between
the
pedestrian
and
the
vehicle,
as
well
as
getting
some
drop-off
areas
and
some
parking
for
people
who
wanted
to
stop
and
try
to
Lisa.
D
D
D
C
C
F
C
F
Trucks
and
it's
very
industrial
feeling,
albeit
these,
are
converted
single-family
houses,
but
with
its
relationships
sitting
in
there,
it's
almost
a
transition
to
the
more
commercial
and
industrial
to
the
north
of
it.
Having
that
garage,
six
storeys,
it's
gonna
feel
massive.
However,
it's
gonna
provide
some
privacy
to
these
residents.
F
F
C
F
F
C
E
C
C
F
F
D
D
A
F
B
D
B
D
D
D
B
E
D
F
F
F
B
What
is
your
when
you
go
in,
and
you
do
something
like
this
in
a
piece
of
property
and
there
are
other
things
on
that
street
that
are
in
danger
a
historically.
Are
you
up
to
working
out
a
deal
where
you
help
with
a
problem
of
the
two
historic
houses
over
there
that
are
for
sale
working
it
into
your
project?
Somehow
or
you
know
you
rebuild
this,
and
we
over
here,
we
improve
these
houses.
B
Are
we
do
you
know
we
trade
off
a
little
bit
here
all
the
time
in
all
these
plans,
you
see
it's
always
saying:
well
we're
going
to
build
these
buildings
and
that's
going
to
help
us
preserve
the
rest
of
the
city
and
turn
some
things
back
into
to
family,
housing
and
thing
and
every
time
I
ask
a
developer.
Well,
if
you
do
that,
then
how
about
on
the
other
side,
you
do
a
little
provement.
If
we,
if
we
say.
E
B
You
can
do
some
things
here
that
perhaps
are
gonna,
take
some
variances
or
something
to
get
you
something
on
the
other
side
like
fix
up
a
house
or
two
or
save
those
two
little
company
houses,
I,
really
worried
about
on
the
Stimson,
am
I'm
putting
this
historical
society
too.
So
that's.
Why
getting
is
that?
But
but
I
I
always
ask
developers
that
to
see
if
somebody
is
going
to
money
these
days
say
yes,
we'll
do
something
doesn't.
C
D
D
D
D
B
There's
a
problem
down
there
and
there's
a
problem
in
the
community
where
we
things
are
built,
and
you
know
it's
supposed
to
improve
it.
Someplace
else,
but
I
haven't
seen
it
working
just
yet
so
I
have
another
question:
how
how
cut
in
feet
have
done
apartments?
How
tall
are
they
as
a
compared
with
the
parking
garage
I
said
it's
six
storeys
the
parking
garage
and
there's
three.
So
isn't
it's
going
to
sort
of
overpower
everything.
D
F
B
You
don't
make
your
parking
garage,
look
like
your
buildings,
I,
don't
know
you
describe
what
I
don't
know
what
you
meant
by
the
kind
of
parking
garage.
You
said
it
was
some
structure,
some
construction
I.
Don't
that
doesn't
mean
anything
to
me.
What
it
looks
like,
but
I
find
every
time
I've
ever
been
to
when
they
take
a
parking
garage
and
they
really
put
the
outside
and
make
it
look
like
it's
one
of
the
buildings
around
there
and
it's
not
offensive.
B
But
when
you
go
in
and
it's
definitely
a
parking
garage,
it's
a
parking
garage
I.
Think
our
own
personal,
our
city,
parking
garage,
couldn't
use
some
outside
work.
Sorry,
but
you
know,
I
wouldn't
usually
I
would
be
more
find
that
much
nicer
at
the
parking
garage
looked
like
one
of
the
apartment
buildings.
E
B
It
can
be
done,
they
do
it
in
other
cities,
I've
seen
it
done
you're,
even
though
those
are
converted,
houses
there's
still
a
plate
of
places
where
people
live
or
their
homes
when
they're
on
campus-
and
it
just
seems
to
me
that,
even
though
there
is
that
other
you
go
into
the
manufacturing
down
there,
a
parking
lot,
that's
just
a
ground
level.
It's
not
nearly
as
offensive
as
a
six
I
find
that
six
storey
parking
garage
really
a
little
bit
difficult
to
take
in
the
neighborhood
I.
C
B
I
feel,
you
know,
I
think
maybe
that's
too
big
for
it,
where
it
is
I,
think
they're
too
many
people
want
to
be
jammed
in
there.
This
is
what
I
find
difficult
is.
It
seems
like
an
awful
lot
of
people
to
jam
into
that's,
not
a
very
big
area
there.
Actually,
when
you
walk
down
there
and
then
drawing
it
looks
fine,
but
when
you
walk
down
there,
that's
not
a
very
big
space.
Well,.
A
Think
your
comparison,
20
Joe,
is
heritage
Commons,
the
senior
apartment
that
is
next
door
to
it
as
a
three-story
structure.
That's
what
that
one!
It's
a
three-story
structure,
it's
two
storey
on
the
other,
but
it's
45
one-bedroom
units
in
an
l-shaped
and
that
basically
going
to
be
your
height
to
the
other
buildings.
You
can
stand
there
on
one,
because.
A
B
D
D
C
G
D
D
First
of
all,
the
fire
suppression
system
will
have
a
24
hour
7
day.
We
monitoring
service,
anything
comes
to
the
fire
supression
more
than
just
a
line
drop
the
pressure
freezing
those
kinds
of
things.
We
have
a
monitoring
service
that
notifies
us
and
police
station,
so
I
haven't
contacted
or
even
looked
in,
the
local
monitoring,
but
I'm
quite
sure
that
the
kind
of
conjunction
with
local
police
also
we
have
our
own
service.
We
have
emergency
folks.
D
D
D
And
all
of
our
previous
properties,
we
have
there's
the
local
police
support
that
we
invite
and
to
live
in
one
of
our
units.
You
usually
give
some
sort
of
financial
incentives
or
someone
to
live
there.
So
after
hours,
they
walk
the
property,
those
kind
of
things
we
would
have
several
residents.
That
would
be
off
after-hours
services
to
help
make
sure
that
people
responsible.
D
C
A
Of
gonna
be
out
there
by
itself
because
as
I
look
at
your
surrounding
neighbors
not
a
whole
lot
of
activity
at
the
post
office,
I
saved
a
big
parking
lot.
Bank
parking
bank
roller
boat
parking
I
mean
other
than
those
few
homes
on
the
the
right
of
it
and
before
you
get
to
it,
it's
really
just
kind
of
an.
D
D
So
you
can
design
things
that
don't
make
it
as
easy
to
do
those
things.
Then
you
walk
around
a
little
bit.
It
helps.
Then
you
pay
attention.
We
had
one
party
when
kids
moved
in
up
in
Michigan
and
spilled
out
the
parking
lot
manager
heard
about
it,
dissipated
it.
So
it's
it's
significantly
better
than
other
locations,
so
zero
successful.
G
D
F
G
D
E
D
C
H
A
I'm
not
sure
on
the
technicalities
of
Howard,
we've
got
three
different
zones
involved
in
the
properties
that
you've
got
if
I
recall,
because
I
think
the
Hocking
Street
property
or
the
parking
lot
is
in
r3,
where
parking
lots
are
permitted
and
cetera,
but
there
probably
would
be
a
Heights
variance,
have
to
be
requested.
I,
don't
know
if
there'd
be
any
others,
then
landmark.
Land
is
in
a
manufacturing
zone
and
Bob's
is
in
a
p3
I
assume
those
two
combined
together
and
go
for
a
Planned
Unit
development
concepts.
I,
don't
know
how
to
treat.
C
C
A
C
F
A
There
was
because
I
don't
want
to
get
it.
You
know
we're
not
to
the
stage
to
get
into
all
of
the
details.
Yeah,
but
you
know
I.
Think
part
of
the
purpose
of
this
meeting
is
just
to
get
the
initial
thoughts
and
what
questions
are
running
through
the
Planning
Commission
of
their
movement
mine's.
Just.
A
A
A
part
of
the
problem
I
think
we
have
over
all
and
we
have
it
in
the
entire
area.
It's
not
one.
This
project
causes
is
that
we
really
don't
have
for
all
those
residential
units,
and
it's
probably
I'd
have
to
look
at
the
census,
but
there's
probably
well
over
a
thousand
to
fifteen
hundred
people
living
in
what
I
would
call
the
Mill
Street
area
and
there's
just
new
services
for
them
other
than
a
couple,
carry
outs,
but
there's
no
grocery
store.
There's
no.
A
My
point:
what
I
guess
really
was
that,
even
though
we're
looking
at
this
from
the
University
students
standpoint
that
yes,
it's
convenient
to
get
to
classes
to
the
library
and
all
the
university
things,
but
you're
almost
forced
to
drive
a
couple
times
a
week
to
go
to
the
grocery
stores
and
everything
else.
So
you
are
going
to
have
some
degree
of
traffic,
I
guess
others,
some
people
might
say
off
here.
So
close,
you
don't
really
need
a
car,
but
most
of
them
have
bars.
D
E
B
D
C
A
C
I
Patterson
17
Lamar,
Drive
I
just
had
a
few
questions.
I
personally
would
really
like
to
encourage
you
all
or
other
people
that
you
work
with
to
pursue
the
grocery
store
idea,
because
it
is
important
to
that
neighborhood,
but
I
had
a
few
other
little
questions
is
the
the
parking
garage.
Well,
the
students
pay
extra
for
parking,
or
is
that
part
of
their
rent.
D
D
C
I
Am
looking
at
the
the
big
picture
of
parking
throughout
the
community
and
how
one
thing
affects
another,
and
so
on.
That's
where
I'm
coming
from
on
that.
My
biggest
concern
for
the
whole
project
is
what
was
just
alluded
to
is
just
the
sheer
number
of
students
near
uptown
in
that
area.
I
think
it's
excellent
that
you
talked
about
management
and
security,
that
the
one
word
that
bothered
me
a
little
bit
was
that
usually
because
I
think
that's
absolutely
a
necessity,
especially
down
in
that
area.
I
I
The
other
thing
is
along
with
hit
this
streetscape
and
planning
the
pedestrian
friendly.
Don't
forget
our
bicycles,
because,
certainly
in
that
area,
especially
it's
flat
enough
to
accommodate
bicycles,
and
certainly,
students
could
utilize
that
as
a
form
of
transportation
and
not
use
their
cars.
Thank
you.
H
My
name
is
Steve
Pierce
and
I'm,
the
Zoning
Administrator
for
the
city,
Raees.
Let
the
assistance
service,
Safety,
Director
and
I
had
a
meeting
last
week
with
the
developers,
and
we
saw
these
preliminary
plans
and
I
started
thinking
about
the
procedure
and
how
long
this
might
take
and
what
kind
of
variances
might
be
necessary.
Those
kinds
of
things.
H
In
times
past
zoning
designation
setbacks
lot
size
density
were
things
that
could
be
were
under
the
purview
of
the
Planning
Commission.
They
could
grant
variances
from
those
things,
but
recently
council
revised
two
sections
of
the
PUD
regulations.
One
was
that
whatever
the
strictest
code
was
that
could
apply
would
be
applied
and
also
that.
H
So,
as
the
mayor
brought
up
our
3m
in
nb3
in
order
to
have
a
Planned
Unit
development,
which
by
definition
includes
the
word
flexibility
related
to
codes,
we're
gonna
have
to
be
flexible
enough
to
grant
variances
for
residential
occupancy
in
a
manufacturing
zone
or
residential
occupancy
at
ground
level
and
a
b3
zone
or
a
structure
that
is
too
tall
in
an
r3
zone
so
that
that
will
just
kind
of
be
a
laundry
list.
What
happens
then?
The
way
the
regulations
are
written?
That
whole
area
then
has
an
overlay
designate.
H
Nonna's
PUD
something
I've
been
thinking
about
too
the
way
the
regulations
are
written,
it
doesn't
really
say
what
happens
then
to
the
underlying
district,
so
I
think
as
we
go
through.
This
is
just
on
the
city
side
of
this.
What
are
we
should
we
rezone
everything
underneath
or
if
this
went
away?
Would
there
still
be
em
underneath
and
would
there
still
be
r3
underneath
and
still
be
three
underneath
or
is
that
need
to
change?
In
any
case,
we're
going
to
have
to
grant
those
variances
from?
H
H
Procedurally,
now,
the
next
thing
that
happens
is
the
possibility
for
a
preliminary
approval.
The
way
the
regulations
are
set
up.
There
has
to
be
a
14
day
prior
notice
that
the
information
is
available
for
public
viewing.
Now,
that's
not
the
same,
though
as
the
public
hearing,
whenever
the
preliminary
information
is
submitted
14
day
prior
notice.
H
There
could
possibly
be
on
the
15th
if
the
information
required
under
the
preliminary
plan
application
requirements
is
submitted,
there
are
15
items
that
have
to
be
submitted.
One
of
those
items
is
any
information
required
by
the
Planning
Commission,
which
I
believe
you
discussed
some
of
them
today.
Some
additional
information
you
might
want
to
see.
That's
in
it
addition
to
those
things
that
are
required.
H
So
there
is
the
possibility
that
there
could
be
a
14-day
prior
notice
before
the
15th
of
December
and
then
a
the
possibility
of
a
preliminary
approval
on
that
date.
It
all
just
depends
on
how
quickly
I
get
the
information
back
in
and
I'm
not
doing
this
necessarily
to
say:
I
want
project
to
move
quickly
or
slowly
I'm
just
trying
to
help
it
along
as
best
I
can
there
is,
after
that,
before
final
approval
can
be
given
you
have
to
hold
a
public
here.
H
You
actually
have
to
hold
a
public
hearing,
so
there's
the
public
document
display
pre
notification
and
there's
the
public
hearing.
That's
a
little
later
has
to
be
accomplished
before
final,
but
then
there's
a
whole
list
of
items
under
final
application
that
are
in
addition
to
those
at
preliminaries.
So
there's
a
a
window
of
time.
H
H
A
C
H
A
H
A
B
H
A
C
A
That
means
only
120,
one-bedroom
and
efficiencies
had
to
have
240
parking
lots
parking
spaces.
This
was
before
some
of
the
landscape
code
came
in
and
they
had
this
long
strip
going
down
by
their
thing,
remember
to
get
to
their
number
so
that
they
did
not
ask
for
a
variance.
I
asked
some
people
from
there.
What
do
you
do
with
all
that
parking?
Oh,
we
went
to
that
running
out
to
other
people
in
our
dreams.
A
E
H
G
B
H
Thing
is,
though,
if
it
is
I
think,
as
was
mentioned
too,
if
it
is
tied
in
then
someone
may
be
paying
for
a
space
who
does
not
own
a
vehicle
and
I
would
think
that
a
project
like
this
and
a
lot
of
what
I've
seen
from
the
draft
comprehensive
plan
is
that
we
want
to
in.
We
want
to
discourage
the
use
of
vehicles
which
to
me
would,
in
some
cases
were
we
have
a
pedestrian
closed
area
also
on
discourage
even
the
ownership
of
the
vehicle,
but
I
suppose
that's
just.
G
H
H
Well
any
is
the
mayor
brought
up,
though,
to
right
now
what
we
have
is
even
for
a
one-bedroom
place.
You
have
to
have
two
parking
spots
in
this
case,
I'm
sure
there's
going
to
be
fewer
units
than
than
half
of
whatever
the
parking
garage
will
contain,
so
it's
the
minimum
of
two
per
unit
or
one
for
permitted
occupant,
one
or
the
other.
So
really
our
parking
requirements
require
more
parking
spaces
than
they
do
bedrooms
right
now,.
H
H
I,
don't
think
so.
No
you'll
just
have
a
final
resolution
that
goes
to
council.
That
recommends
certain
variances
and
recommends
I'm,
assuming
an
approval.
Let's
just
I'm,
assuming
the
you
know,
be
recommended
council
approval
of
the
project
with
this
list
of
variances
and
possibly
this
list
of
conditions.
Also,
that's
still
two
three
months
after
or
more.
B
H
H
Preliminary
should
be
accompanied
by
a
check
for
$4,100
is
what
code
currently
says:
$500
plus
$30
per
unit
now
I'm
not
sure
how
many
units
there
are
and
again
for
final
approval.
It's
the
same
thing,
so
we're
talking
review
fees
that
could
be
up
or
application
fees
up
to
$10,000
we've
never
gone
through
this
before
either
so
I
may
be
a
little
that
we're
going
through
fees.
H
Fee
I
spent
three
hours
with
the
court
council
today,
just
going
over
the
proposed
new
fee
schedule
that
councils
recommended
and
if
it
only
is
going
to
cost
$50
ago
the
Board
of
Zoning
Appeals.
Why
is
it
gonna
cost
$10,000
to
get
a
PUD
approved,
but
that's
a
whole
other
discussion.
I'm.
Sorry,
we
like
funding,
but
we
don't
like.
We
like
it
to
be
yeah
equivalent
to
the
service
provided,
not
that
we
all
aren't
worth
$10,000.