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A
Game-2
mission
1/4
to
6:00
and
it's
about
2:30.
We
also
have
had
advertised
a
public
hearing
for
this
to
be
held
before
the
Raider
meeting
starts.
I
understand,
there's
some
change
and
I'm
going
to
ask
mr.
Pierson
to
tell
us
what
happens.
I
think.
A
lot
of
these
people
are
here
for
that
public
hearing.
I
think.
A
A
C
B
A
B
This
was-
and
this
was
one
where
I
mean
I-
we've
gone
to
extraordinary
measures
to
notify
everybody
in
the
neighborhood
120
letters
went
out,
neighborhood
associations
were
notified,
legal
ad
in
the
paper
and
I
think
it's
a
larger
issue
to
be
honest
with
you
than
just
mr.
smelters
proposal.
So
it
really
has
to
do
with
that.
East
State
Street
corridor
from
the
flower
shop
come
out
to
the
bypass
I
think
it
is
an
important
issue
to
discuss.
A
D
E
A
315
East,
State
Street
and
the
person
requesting
the
is
requesting
permission
to
convert
the
structure
to
a
business
office
used
in,
isn't
an
r1
single-family
zone
and
I
understand
there
a
number
of
people
here
who
wish
to
speak
to
that
issue.
So
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
let
you
do
speak
to
it,
and
this.
F
Is
just
going
to
pour
out
this
type
of
a
request?
Is
one
the
Planning
Commission
gets
involved
in
not
to
grant
it,
but
to
only
make
a
recommendation
to
the
Zoning
Board
as
to
whether
what
our
feelings
are
about
it,
but
without
input
from
citizens.
We
were
reluctant
at
our
previous
meeting
to
make
any
recommendations
to
the
Zoning
Board
and
that's
why
we
add
the
code
office,
send
the
letter
out
and
why.
G
A
A
E
The
area
in
question
is
zoned,
of
course,
our.
What
now
it
is
true,
it
isn't
populated
exclusively
by
single
families
in
single
houses.
There
are
a
certain
number
of
houses
there
that
are
used
as
student
rentals,
but
as
an
owner
of
student
rental
property
I'm,
well
aware
of
the
fact
that
it's
becoming
increasingly
difficult
to
rent
student
rentals
that
are
a
considerable
distance
from
the
main
campus
and
the
downtown
area.
E
Unless
there
are
these
huge
new
developments
on
the
fringes-
and
it
seems
to
me
of
that,
the
neighborhood
as
it
stands,
if
there's
to
be
any
change,
is
more
likely
in
the
course
of
events
to
see
a
certain
number
of
houses
presently
occupied,
as
by
students
turned
back
into
single-family
dwellings.
For
just
these
reasons,
it
is
a
very
attractive
residential
area.
E
It's
much
favored
by
people
who
want
to
live
within
walking
distance
to
and
from
the
University
on
that
particular
side
of
the
street.
It
is
the
kind
of
frontier
threatened
frontier.
You
do
have
these
particular
houses,
all
along
that
side
of
South,
Bay
Avenue
I,
see
no
reason
to
introduce
a
variance
and
then
have
that
variance
used
as
an
argument
for
giving
additional
variances
in
the
area
until
the
character
of
that
particular
r-1
area
is
totally
altered.
Now
this
is
my
basic
position,
but
I
would
also
add
this.
E
F
mont
often
sprawling
over
the
sidewalk.
You
know
the
city
grants
a
variance,
but
the
city
apparently
isn't
interested
in
enforcing.
But
again
this
is
just
a
secondary
reason.
The
main
reason,
as
I
say,
would
be
the
entering
wedge
for
the
continual
granting
of
variances,
which
would
end
in
the
total
transformation
of
a
very
attractive
r1
area.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
H
F
A
C
A
G
Edward
vom
20,
Sunnyside
drive
I
just
want
to
associate
myself
they're
marks
of
dr.
Steiner
a
decade
and
a
half
or
so
ago.
That
area
was
an
r2
and
through
the
actions
of
primarily
the
citizens,
the
area
and
the
administration
was
changed
to
an
r1,
our
ones
in
Athens,
a
rather
precious
entities
and
I.
G
Remember
a
discussion
several
years
ago,
where
the
Planning
Commission
on
another
issue
was
thinking
about
getting
rid
of
V
ones
and
having
them
eventually
move
into
an
our
area,
but
to
take
any
r1
and
to
transform
it
through
a
variance
into
a
business
zone.
I
think
degrades
the
area
and
is
not
good
for
the
city,
and
so
I
just
want
to
associate
myself
with
anything,
that's
necessary
to
recommend
a
negative
and
make
it
negative
recommendation
to
the
Zoning
Board.
J
J
My
name
is
Phil
Campbell
I
live
at
one
North,
Shannon
and
I'd
like
to
agree
with
the
with
the
previous
speakers.
When
my
family
moved
to
Athens
about
ten
years
ago.
One
of
the
things
we
specifically
sought
was
a
neighborhood,
a
neighborhood
in
which
families
lived
and
our
kids
could
live
and
grow
up
and
they
have
and
in
which
we
could
walk
and
I.
Think
if,
if
State
Street
becomes
a
business
strip
mall
along
that
residential
corridor,
it
will
unalterably
make
the
neighborhood
from
one
where
you
primarily
walk.
J
A
D
Randi
Morris
I
live
at
25,
South,
Bay
and
I
just
want
to
know
where
they're
gonna
Park
if
they
work
there,
because
there's
no
parking
on
State
Street
and
there's
one
little
tiny
garage
with
room
for
one
car
at
that
address,
and
that
means
they're
gonna
park
on
South
may
and
South
may
doesn't
really
want
or
need
business
parking
on
the
street.
So
I
would
add
my
vote
against
creating
the
variance.
A
We
also
have
a
letter
here
from
two
as
part
of
the
official
record
from
it's
from
Martha
Sloan
and
she
could
not
come
because
she's
teaches
at
West
elementary
school
and
they
live
the
only
property
at
12,
North,
May
and
she's,
supposed
to
the
request
and
very
similar
to
what
is
everyone
else
is
said
here
and
what
dr.
Steiner
said
and
she
feels
we
have
a
adverse
impact
on
an
already
congested
area
on
it
may
Avenue
in
East
8th
Street.
But
this
is
a
part
of
the
record
too.
I
A
A
F
D
A
C
A
We've
been
done
this
before
for
that
whole
area
and
trying
to
get
businesses
removed,
so
there
would
be
no
reason
to
put
any
in
there
if
we're
trying
to
get
rid
of
some
of
them
that
are
there,
but
I
think
this
is
probably
at
this
point.
We
should
not
allow
any
business
to
go
in
after
in
that
area
at
all
for
any
reason
at
all
and
sort
of
that's
going
to
be.
A
C
A
Right,
it's
for
the
whole
area
there
that
we're
talking
about
you
read
boat,.
I
C
I
K
B
If
I
could
I'll
just
give
a
little
brief
explanation
about
why
mr.
periods
here
today
I'm
the
project
that
he
proposes
will
be
called
Castle
Pines
will
be
a
major
subdivision
in
the
plains,
because
there
is
no
zoning
outside
the
city
of
Athens.
State
law
says
that
the
City
Planning
Commission
has
to
review
all
projects
for
major
subdivision
within
three
miles
of
town
and
on
behalf
the
Planning
Commission
I
also
do
minor
subdivisions
of
land
that
number
almost
up
to
a
hundred
in
some
years.
B
The
area,
if
you're
familiar
with
the
plains,
where
the
bus
depot
is
across
from
the
entrance
to
the
high
school
the
next
street
over
is
first
Street
runs
parallel
to
Johnson
Road
and
that's
where
this
project
is
located.
So
it's
like
one
Street
back
toward
Athens
over
from
the
high
school
and
right
behind
where
the
bus
garage
is
at
the
proposal
is
for
a
public
street
and
for
the
subdivision
of
land
and
the
installation
of
water
and
sewer
lines
that
will
be
maintained
by
the
plains.
B
Water
sewer,
district
and
that'd
be
rich
cast
as
the
director
of
that
department.
This
is
very
similar
to
Tyler
Ridge,
another
project
on
680
to
South
Plains
Road
within
three
miles
of
town,
but
not
within
the
city
limits.
This
is
a
little
different
and
you'll
notice
that
the
proposal
for
the
development
of
the
land
is
much
more
intense,
basically
because
the
availability
of
sewer
service,
the
plains,
is,
in
some
respects
very
fortunate
that
it
has
a
sewage
treatment
system
available
to
it.
And
that's
why
you
see
that
intensity
of
development
in
the
plains?
B
It's
not
Lee
Axe
water.
It's
plains:
water,
all
the
water
that
that
supplied
the
planes
is
pumped
from
the
city
wells
in
the
city,
sells
it
to
the
plains
and
then
rich
castles
department
distributes
it
streets
will
probably
be
maintained
by
the
township
trustees.
Just
as
all
the
streets
in
the
plains
are
Archie
Stanley.
The
county
engineer
will
ultimately
look
at
the
plans
for
the
construction
of
the
street,
approve
them
except
the
street
and
recommends
with
trustees.
Take
them
over
County
Sheriff's
Department
will
be
the
law
enforcement
agency
in
charge.
A
K
B
Actually,
here
doing
today
is
following
the
steps
that
are
outlined
in
the
subdivision.
Approval
process
in
what
we
have
today
going
on
is
what's
called
a
pre-application
meeting.
It's
called
it's
an
early
and
an
informal
discussion
with
the
developer
about
any
regulations
that
pertain
to
the
project.
B
That's
fine
for
projects
in
the
city
generally.
What
happens,
though,
is
for
ones
outside
the
city,
we're
just
here
essentially
to
give
them
a
list
of
things
that
we
don't
necessarily
need,
because
it's
not
going
to.
We
don't
need
the
city
fire
department
to
look
at
the
city
police
department.
We
don't
need
our
water
and
sewer
people
to
look
at
it.
We
don't
need
our
streets
people
to
look
at
it.
We
don't
need
any
engineering
submitted
necessarily
to
Burgess
and
Ifill,
so
really
we're
kind
of
going
through
a
list
of
things.
We
really
don't.
B
There
could
be
quite
a
laundry
list
of
variances
because
we'll
have
to
go
down
through
what
the
city
requirements
are,
because
that's
what
we
have
to
work
with,
so
some
standards
may
be
a
little
different,
but
I
think
what
we've
discussed
before
is
that
if
it's
acceptable
to
those
public
entities
that
are
ultimately
going
to
maintain
it,
it's
acceptable
to
them.
Why?
Why?
Wouldn't
it
be
acceptable
to
this
body,
you
know
if
it
meets
or
exceeds
standards
that
they
have
in
their
particular
jurisdiction.
I
A
A
I
I
A
I
C
F
A
C
C
K
I
D
A
K
D
B
L
C
I
I
K
I
C
Okay,
well,
you
still
think
about
a
have
sidewalks
thank.
I
K
K
A
K
A
A
I
K
F
A
I
A
I
C
C
L
M
C
A
I
A
Then,
across
the
way
back
in
there,
I
was
in
there
the
other
day,
because
I
went
to
a
meeting.
I
went
down
the
wrong
Street.
There's
some
places
there
that
seem
to
have
how
buildings
that
take
up
almost
the
whole
lot,
which
were
they
used
to
have
those
container
things
and
back
in
there.
They
really
take
up
the
whole
lot
in
there.
No
sidewalks
and
it's
not
very
pleasant
back
in
there.
I
wasn't
impressed
with
it
and
I
said.
A
F
A
F
F
F
F
F
B
F
F
Would
happen
in,
and
so
my
thought
is.
This
is
where
your
Clubhouse
is
right.
So
you're
going
to
have
a
multitude
of
business
activity,
there's
going
to
be
a
pro
shop,
it's
probably
going
to
be
a
restaurant.
You
know
who
knows
what
all
and
over
the
years
might
develop
within
it.
So
to
me
you're,
better
off
having
the
heaviest
be
use.
You
can
get
do
because
that
allows
you
the
most
flexibility
down
the
road
right.
C
I
I
M
F
M
F
E
F
F
F
F
Flexibility,
because
if
it
is
at
some
point
that
this
is
they're
gonna,
be
the
abandoned,
Armitage
Road
right,
which
are
we
a
private
road
somewhere
down
the
road
I
could
see
that
somebody
would
say
all
upgrade
that
make
it
a
public
road
want.
These
off
and
platinum
out
might
be
20
years
from
now
and
I
want
to
sell
these
as
individual.
F
F
A
C
F
I
F
M
A
A
I
C
F
If
that's
all
multi-family
housing
but
you're,
not
sick,
you're,
not
at
least
do
the
conception
is
your
cure,
and
this
is
conceptualizing
also
where
platted
watts
will
probably
believe
that,
but
until
you
get
the
platting
that
can
change,
and
so
you
have
to
be
careful
on
the
art.
That's
why
you
have
to
be
careful
out
here
on
the
are
threes
in
a
way,
because
you
can
still
build
an
r1
and
then
are
three,
but
if
I
was
if
I
didn't
buy
all
the
loss
and
I
bought.
One
of
those
are
three
losses.
F
A
M
A
F
Doing
most
of
the
because
this
is
really
up
on
a
ridge
tops,
although
they
are
connected
to
you
graphically
by
Lots
distance.
I
C
F
Well,
but
see
I
think
part
of
this
concern
and
part
of
this,
for
you
there's
a
financial
reason
for
a
lot
of
these
things
too
right.
That's
why
you're
saying
numbers
of
units
etc
are
important
because
you
have
to
recapture
the
water,
the
sewer,
the
roads,
the
land
and
all
the
landscaping
and
all
the
other
stuff.
So.
M
M
C
M
I
F
M
M
A
F
A
F
This
is
purely
most
what
an
essence
of
I
understand
they
want,
instead
of
everybody
having
to
go
all
the
way
here
with
the
clubhouse
and
everyday
here
they
want
to
create
a
hopeful
business
area
for
all
these
residents
that
get
the
newspaper
get
candy
bicycle.
You
know
by
simple
all
that
kind
of
stuff,
so
I
can
see
the
v1
under
our
current
concept.
All
of
you,
because
it
is
going
to
cater
to
that
group
of
people,
who's
Revere,.
I
I
E
C
I
A
A
A
F
I
F
A
A
C
A
A
Have
to,
as
you
know,
there
is
a
hearing
scheduled
for
Friday
May
5th
at
9
o'clock
a.m.
in
Judge
words
courtroom
in
the
County
Courthouse.
The
issue
is,
is
they
will
present
testimony
from
chief
Roxul,
josh
Reineke
I,
respect
that
and
Robert
Wyler
Gary
would
like
to
them
as,
like
the
mayor
council
members
and
the
Planning
Commission
members
to
attend
and
show
support.
This
is
a
hearing.
I
A
F
I
E
F
L
A
L
L
L
L
We
became
concerned
about
the
introduction
of
our
development,
the
more
we
noticed
that
site
having
a
dramatic
effect
on
the
neighborhood,
which
is
one
of
the
reasons
after
we
filled
the
site
that
we,
for
lack
of
better
words,
put
the
brakes
on
to
really
review
what
we
were
doing
there.
Subsequently
very
a
very
short
time
ago.
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Incredibly,
we
think
now
that
that
site
bears
you
know
really
all
all
of
the
attributes
to
make
that
you
know
more
of
a
combination,
site
owner
and
non
owner
occupancy,
instead
of
just
putting
an
apartment
site
down
there.
So
we've
gone
to
what
we
consider
our
comfort
zone,
which
is
attached
townhouse
development
and
were,
as
you
can
see,
with
what
John's
showing
you
there
were.
We
would
like
to
consider
developing
that
site
with
16
townhomes
attached
in
the
groups.
What
is
it
six
buildings
total
John.
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The
density
is
significantly
higher
than
we're
really
going
in
the
other
direction
here.
We're
diminishing
density
and
what
this
proposal
is
here
is
Harold
here
is
blick
we're
looking
at
the
possibility
of
actually
putting
a
city
street
connecting
the
two
bisecting
in
the
property
and
creating
a
series
of
individual
zero
lot
line.
Lots
and
comprised
will
be
three
unit,
2
unit
3
unit
and
mirrored
here
just
visually.
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We
think
it
would
be
a
a
real
positive
division,
neighborhood
wise,
actually
creating
creating
another
another
residential
location.
We've
got
walking
distance
to
a
lot
of
the
amenities.
You
know
in
a
target
market,
a
great
number
of
different
folks
that
have
business
down
on
you
know
by
the
hospital.
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By
that
end
of
the
campus
you
know:
we've
had
a
lot
of
interaction
with
with
with
graduate
students
and
first-time
buyers
that
have
had
an
interest
in
this
product
so
and
we
think
that
the
use
of
the
site
is,
you
know
we're
going
to
a
less
strenuous
use
of
the
site
in
terms
of
people
and
cars
and
pavement,
because
now
we've
got
a
street
coming
through,
where
I
don't
have
our
other
plan
in
front
of
us,
but
we
had
some
significant
asphalt
going
on
there.
So
you
know:
there's
grass
basically.
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You're
because
it
doesn't
Jefferson
intersect
at
some
point
with
Harold.
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About
sixteen
months
ago,
that
area
had
a
severe
flooding
event:
Bill
Ross
owned
a
trailer
park
right
there
in
that
area
and
trailer
parks
for
their
development,
their
infrastructure
and
for
their
flood
protection
are
governed
by
the
Athens
County
Health
Department.
So
after
the
flood
as
the
the
flood
damage
administrator
I
dealt
with
all
the
properties
that
that
were
on
platted
Lots
and
then
I
worked
with
Mike
Cooper
and
Chuck
hammer
at
the
Health
Department
on
the
trailer
park.
B
What
I
worked
with,
especially
with
Mike
Cooper
on
that
was,
isn't
this
the
most
appropriate
time
to
possibly
have
mr.
Ross's
trailer
park,
license
reviewed
by
the
Health
Department
and
possibly
revoked,
or
bring
that
trailer
park
up
to
an
acceptable
standard
because
it
had
been
in
decline,
as
indicated
in
a
lot
of
the
conversation
so
having
jurisdiction
over
flood
damage.
The
Health
Department
had
several
trailers
removed.
I
had
a
couple
others
on
private
Lots
removed
from
the
area
and
then
mr.
Ross
lost
his
trailer
park
license
the
Health
Department.
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Let
it
lapse
did
not
renew
it.
That
last
trailer
now
is
in
my
jurisdiction.
I've
issued
condemnation,
orders
on
it
unfit
for
human
habitation
and
I've
also
condemned
the
structure,
there's
only
a
couple
weeks
left
and
if
mr.
Ross
does
not
remove
the
trailer
we'll
have
the
trailer
demolished
hauled
away
and
a
lien
filed
against
the
property
so
that
last
trailer
will
be
gone,
the
site
will
be
cleaned
up.
Graded
seated
revegetated
that'll
be
part
of
the
contract.
That's
giving
me
for
the
demolition
of
the
trailer.
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B
Yeah
very
early
on
in
Muriel's
administration
that
that
sewer
line
went
in
so
that
boundary
line
right
there
Jefferson
is
where
it
goes
over
and
clicking
intersects
all
the
way
up
at
West,
Union
Street
from
there
north
to
the
railroad
bed
and
then
west
to
the
river
is
all
zone.
B3,
south,
a
railroad
bed,
Union
Street
that
whole
area
b3.
There
are
some
single-family
residences
back
in
there,
but
it's
it's
pretty
much
a
mix
of
business
and
residence.
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Identify
the
uses
for
you
and
give
you
a
Sony
map
and
identify
the
use
of
everything
in
that
area.
Now
everything
the
fairgrounds
is
owned.
Em
we're
visiting
nurses
is
owned.
Em
there's
still
that
whole
em
area
clear
over
to
the
snow
actually
clear
over
to
Schafer
Street,
including
the
cemetery
except
for
University
Commons.
When
it
was
carved
out
it
was
zoned
r3,
but
that
was
also
old
railroad
bed,
so
I
can
do
that.
I
can
show
you
the
different
uses
and
the
different
zoning
in
the
area.
B
So
it's
been
quite
a
while
trying
to
clean
that
area
up
and
we're
really
close
to
be
in
there.
This
is
this.
What
what
we've
been
doing
here
is
the
same
as
mr.
Faron
was
doing.
This
is
a
pre-application
meeting
for
a
major
subdivision,
except
in
this
case.
Obviously
there's
a
lot
more
attention
to
be
paid
because
we
have
zoning,
we
have.
We
have
use
compatibility
and
contradiction.
B
We
have
police
and
fire
that
have
to
respond
to
this
area.
We
have
water
and
sewer
those
capacities
having
been
checked
out
already
from
the
other
project
are
known
to
be
fine
but,
for
example,
to
the
fire
chief
we'll
need
to
look
at
the
width
of
the
right
away.
The
width
of
the
street
will
he
be
able
to
turn
his
ladder
truck
around
that
corner.
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What
I
think
I
told
you
this
once,
but
not
an
official
meeting?
We
took
that
when
the
people
on
the
committee,
we
were
the
only
two
who
ramnik
the
Commission,
the
steering
committee,
because
Wayne
was
not
there
and
so
the
rest
of
them
had
to
read
it
and
reading
it.
It
was,
although
it
appeared
in
the
newspaper
that
some
picky
person
only
was
pretty
and
style.
A
picky
person
was
not
only
so
outright
mistakes
all
right,
plus
in
reading
and
I.
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Think
some
of
the
other
members
found
that
it
was
almost
impossible
to
follow,
and
so
what
we
did
we
started
going
through
it
all
and
instead
of
changing
it
on
what
we
really
did
was
rearrange
it
so
that
the
first
phase
actually
chapter
13
was
the
meat
of
the
whole
thing.
So
we
removed
that
as
phase
one
part.
One
and
the
whole
thing
took
everything
that
all
of
discussion
and
everything
and
everybody
said
that
goes
in
appendix
one.
Then
that
was
the
plan.
A
That
was
the
plan
and
then
the
second
part
of
this
presented
to
us
by
the
consultants
was
actually
what
actions
should
be
taken
or
recommended
actions.
Implementation,
so
we
made
that
as
part
two
is
called
the
implementation
and
took
out
of
that.
Unfortunately,
when
that
was
given
to
us,
there
were
great
many
sections
of
that
that
went
through
that
had
page
after
page
after
page
of
sample
ordinances,
we
removed
all
of
the
sample
ordinances.
Put
it
in
appendix
2.
Did
we
didn't
throw
them
away?
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Unfortunately,
it
has
been
a
nightmare
to
get
into
to
work
and
trying
to
use
I,
don't
know
what
number
what
system
it's
on
and
we
was
it
wasn't
as
easy
as
it
seemed
to
be
in
the
first
place,
you
thought:
oh,
we
got
this
disc.
You've
got
this
we'll
just
do
all
these
things.
It
doesn't
so
Melissa
with
Luke
deserves
a
medal.
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Like
to
ask
that
at
the
next
meeting,
the
rezoning
request
for
landmark
be
placed
on
the
agenda,
I,
don't
I,
don't
really
see
any
reason
or
any
other
further
discussion.
Unless
you
want
to
discuss
it.
Some
more
the
rezoning,
let
language
says
that
the
after
a
public
hearing
the
Planning
Commission
has
60
days
to
make
a
recommendation
to
council.
So
you
do
have
two
months
to
work
on
it.
That's
a
situation
where,
unlike
Herald
Square
I,
think
it's
fairly
obvious
that
if
the
landmark
project
goes
or
not,
that
landmark
site
should
be
zoned
or.
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B
Seems
every
time
we
go
out
to
do
some
kind
of
overall
rezoning,
it's
always
met
with
opposition
for
those
who
would
have
grandfathered
legal
non-conforming
uses
in
those
zones,
so
it
seems
easier
to
kind
of
pick
them
off.
That's
a
redevelopment
comes
along,
it's
less
controversial
that
way
and
and
then
there's
more
out
so
just
to
let
you
know
you
do
have
60
days
to
act
on
that,
but
the
60-day
clock
started
running
last
week.
Well,.