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From YouTube: Athens City Planning Commission Meeting 10-19-06
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A
Ternoon,
this
is
the
regularly
scheduled
meeting
of
the
after
the
City
Planning
Commission
in
October
19
2006,
it's
2:35,
everyone
on
the
Commission
is
present.
We
take
sworn
statements
if
you
blend
this,
aren't
choking
myself
on
my
microphone.
Are
you
planning
to
make
any
statements?
Would
you
please
stand
up
and
raise
your
hand
affirm
that
what
you'll
say
is
greed,
the
truth?
A
B
B
To
the
Regional
Planning
Commission
a
couple
meetings
ago,
mr.
Kincaid
who
lives
on
Carroll
Road,
had
a
proposal
to
subdivide
his
property
on
page
2
of
the
information
that
I
just
gave.
You
is
a
copy
of
the
existing
survey
and
there
was
some
question
because
of
a
case
we
had
up
in
the
plains
about
was
an
easement
going
to
be
sufficient,
or
should
they
actually
have
public
road
frontage
back
out
the
Carroll
Road
in.
D
B
Particular
case
the
Planning
Commission's
recommendation
was
that
it
be
an
easement
because
of
the
narrowness
of
the
access
point
Carroll
road,
that's
what
I
did
on
this
was
I
sketched
in
a
30
foot
easement
that
basically
contains
the
drive
existing
driveway
and
area
for
installation
of
water
and
sewer
service.
It
sketched
in
another
on
the
back
here.
A
proposed
back
lot
line
that
meets
the
zoning
requirement
of
at
least
30
feet
away
from
the
existing
house.
I
sketched
in
a
25
foot,
front
yard
setback
for
the
lot
that
would
could
be
created
in
the
rear.
B
Additionally,
the
measurement
from
the
edge
of
the
existing
house
to
this
pin
in
the
corner
right
here
is
26
feet.
That's
why
that
narrows
down
from
30
to
26,
so
there
will
still
be
room
for
a
driveway
in
utility
installation,
but
I
just
want
to
indicate
that
that
was
narrower
right
there,
thirty
feet,
maybe
I
ought
to
back
up
a
little
bit.
Mr.
Kincaid
was
not
able
to
attend
so
I
told
him.
I
would
do
this
presentation
on
his
behalf.
B
The
next
page
that
you
have
the
information
is
a
kind
of
a
mock-up
of
a
maintenance
agreement
and
an
easement
for
between
the
two
property
owners.
In
this
particular
case,
I
actually
added
mr.
Kincaid's
name,
wouldn't
know
who
to
add
is
the
owner
of
lot,
two
which
he
says
will
probably
be
some
in-laws
of
his.
But
that's
just
for.
C
B
Added
their
air
successors
and
assigns,
in
other
words,
whoever
owns
the
property
Kincaid's
or
anybody
else,
be
their
responsibility
to
to
live
by
this
agreement.
This
is
based
on
what
the
county
uses
as
their
recommended
easement
agreement.
If
you
look
in
number
three
it
talks
about,
if
the
parties
have
a
dispute,
they
utilize
the
Athens
area,
mediation
service,
that's
what
they
do
on
a
county
level
and
I.
B
E
B
Added
in
there,
because
it's
a
paved
driveway
right
now,
the
mock
up
agreement
talks
about
gravel
I
just
put
in
there
gravel
or
other
mutually
agreeable
surface,
but
the
maintenance
terms
are
all
the
same,
and
this
is
as
close
to
a
50/50
type
deal
between
the
two
property
owners
as
possible
for
maintenance
on
the
areas
they
share
in
common.
What
it
includes
is
where
you
go
off
of
this
common
area,
it's
your
responsibility,
100%
to
take
care
of
that
it's
50/50
on
the
shared
area.
B
B
With
the
death
ratio
now
won't
be
a
problem,
it
would
have
been
if
they
actually
had
their
own
so
right
now.
The
only
variance
that
I
can
think
of
would
need
to
go
with
a
possible
recommendation
is
the
variance
from
the
section
that
requires
actual
public
road
frontage,
so
it
bees
Minh
and
Lou
a
public
road
manager.
If
you
do
recommend
that
I
can
work
with
the
corporate
council
to
make
sure
that
that
language
does
appear
in
the
transmittal
from
the
Commission
to
the
City
Council
I.
F
B
Convert
the
the
county,
planner
and
I,
both
with
minor
lot
splits
that
you
know
he
and
I
are
probably
looking
some
years
at
a
couple
hundred
county
wide
and
you
are
sympathetic
with
people
because
a
lot
of
times
it's
you
know,
I
need
my
kids
to
help
me
at
my
property.
Can
they
move
in
the
backyard,
but
we
have
to
be
more
forward-looking
than
that
and
I
think
this
guarantees
prop
the
owners
rights
responsibilities.
You
know
it
actually
puts
them
right
out.
There
plus
accommodates
the
situation
that
the
current
owner
has.
C
You
won
this
that
area
that
is
shared
mm-hmm.
Should
we
have
some
statement
in
there
that
both
owners
agree
not
to
to
order.
Do
we
have
something
that
allows
them
access
at
any
point
in
time
that
I
can
understand?
You
know
somebody
could
be
moving
in
and
you
might
block
part
of
that
and
that
momentarily,
but
you
don't
want
to
get
into
some
dispute
down
the
road
where
one
person
wants
to
derive
fix.
The
other
doesn't.
D
C
B
C
C
Guess
it's
just
the
thought
that
I
had
as
I
was
reading
through
it.
What
happens
if
there
is
a
dispute
that
somebody
does
one
of
they
either
either
party
has
to
allow
access
through
that
rapid,
the
hit
point
in
law
anyway,
I
mean
you
have
the
ability
to
go
to
court
to
get
it,
but
we
wouldn't
want
it
to
go
that
far.
B
Could
put
some
language
I
can
make
sure
that
there's
language
in
there
easement
and
that
would
prohibit
any
kind
of
you
know
I'm
mad
at
you,
so
I'm
gonna
park
my
car
right
here
and
take
the
wheels
off
kind
of
a
thing
and
again
the
final,
even
after
council,
if
you'd
make
a
recommendation,
the
council
would
ultimately
approve
this.
Mr.
B
Kincaid
still
does
have
to
come
back
to
my
office
to
get
an
approval
before
he
can
go
to
the
auditor
and
the
recorder,
so
I
can
think
there
are
a
couple
trigger
points
beyond
today
and
I
think
as
long
as
that's
reflected
in
the
record,
if
it
was
in
the
minutes
or
even
included
in
the
recommendation,
if
it
happens
to
council
know
that
way
too
of
you
know
six
months
from
now,
somebody
else
is
looking
at
these
it'll
be
in
the
record.
They
can
look
it
up.
Look
it
up.
A
B
What
I
don't
have
attached
to
this
and
I
think
what
will
eventually
clear
that
up
is
say
a
a
mock-up
deed
for
both
properties.
I,
didn't
you
know,
I
didn't
do
that
I
think.
C
C
B
F
H
My
name
is
Fred
Holmes
I've
been
retained
by
University
estates
to
work
as
their
vice
president
of
governmental
relations.
There's
two
things
that
we
want
and
I'd
like
to
talk
to
you
about.
The
first
will
be
the
Platt
Amendment,
and
then
I
would
like
to
talk
to
you
about
the
preliminary
plan
on
the
proposed
Platt
Amendment.
H
The
issue
that
we've
been
talking
about
has
been
the
Greenview
Lane
and
there
is
no
road
bomb
currently
on
Greenview
Lane
and
we've
had
discussions
on
possibly
eliminating
it,
but
after
looking
at
it
and
evaluating
it
today,
University
of
States
will
be
seeking
a
road
bond
for
that,
so
that
just
solves
a
whole
variety
of
issues
without
having
to
see
which
buildings
would
have
to
be
removed.
So
we
will
be
in
the
process
of
seeking
a
Road
bond
for
Grandview,
Lane
and
I'm.
Not
let
me
see
if
I
can.
A
H
H
If
there
was
a
problem,
an
accident
on
680
to
that
city
vehicles
would
be
able
to
get
in
to
the
property,
at
least
until
this
whole
section
here
that's
completed
around
the
golf
course
so
in
these
were
the
reason
it
was
a
road
bond
wasn't
included
is
that
this
was
going
to
be
one
to
last
or
towards
the
end,
but
there's
just
too
many
issues
to
take.
If
we
abandon
that
road.
So
it's
really
important
that
we
keep
that.
So
a
road
bond
will
be
soft
for
that.
H
H
H
Also,
there
is
a
question
I
believe
on
acreage.
This
portion
down
here
in
this
I'm
gonna
have
to
ask
your
advice
on
this.
Piece
of
property
has
not
been
better
and
we're
not
at
the
position
right
now
to
transfer
that
property.
We
can.
We
make
a
notation
on
it,
or
do
you
want
to
change
back
on
the
plat
to
reflect
what
it
actually
is
now.
C
C
D
D
C
We
wipe
out
some
platted
lot
that
has
a
different
owner,
so
they
really
need
legally
to
solve
that
or
I.
Don't
know
legally
what
we've
really
done,
but
we've
taken
somebody's
front
and
have
added
it
to
three
different
otherwise
owned
by
another
legal
entity
which
that
person
is
a
part
of
that
legal.
It
gets
confusing,
but
technically
I
don't
know,
and
it's
really
the
law
lawyer
questions
and
we
don't
have
any
in
the
room.
C
D
H
C
E
H
I'm
asked
if
we
can
make
it
if
we
can
make
a
notation
here
and
some
type
of
legal
document
that
certainly
wouldn't
make
it
easier
on
I.
Don't
want
to
confuse
I
want
to
want
to
make
it
as
I'm
confusing
it's
possible.
We're
we're
open
to
suggestions
on
abstract,
but
you're,
absolutely
correct
that
that
transfer,
that
piece
of
property
has
not
been
made
and
it
will
be,
the
plans
are
for
it
to
be
transferred.
But
this
is
not
the
right
time.
I.
C
D
C
E
C
A
E
F
D
C
C
A
G
C
H
E
F
C
G
D
D
F
H
H
A
I
took
home
to
look
at
and
the
thing
sort
made
all
of
these.
These
exhibits
a
B
and
C.
We
get
there
all
1999,
but
when
we
get
these
things
are
different
and
I
would
not
want
something
that
it
shows
now
and
a
map
like
that.
That
shows
now,
rather
than
trying
to
figure
out
how
something
in
1999
fix
into
something
with
the
date
on
this
one
C
date
on
this
one.
E
C
C
A
D
C
D
D
D
C
Breathe
demo
right
here
somewhere
in
through
you,
because
this
green
greeny
going
well.
Actually
you
never
want
him
to
build
two
buildings
here,
and
so
somehow
a
new
line
has
to
be
drawn
to
come
back
over
to
make
green,
contiguous
cuz,
it's
all
locked,
13
and
make
nellyville'.
This
is
a
7c
be
more
than
whatever
number
you
have.
H
C
H
E
C
C
E
I
D
E
D
H
C
D
C
D
F
C
E
G
E
D
D
H
D
B
C
D
C
B
C
Where,
like
that,
tail
that
tail
already,
when
we've
owned,
it
was
open
space.
Well
now
this
tail
on
the
other
page,
don't
turn
back
is
now
going
to
be
commercial.
Let's
rate,
this
is
a.
D
G
C
F
D
B
C
C
We
need
to
be
looking
at
here
is
obviously
we're
going
to
have
to
have
whoever
drew
this
up.
Do
all
the
revisions
we've
already
talked
about,
and
maybe
said
one
of
the
things
to
see
you
and
I
and
Steve
maybe
need
to
get
together
with
that
person
say.
Where's
disowning
so
make
sure
we're
right
on
leaves
it
being
over
like
that
needs
to
be
an
over
life
back.
B
A
C
C
H
F
A
C
A
G
E
D
G
D
C
D
H
F
C
D
H
F
E
A
D
E
H
Seven
years
experience
in
government
and
state
of
Massachusetts
in
New
York
I've
worked
with
water
and
sewer
I've
worked
with
DDP
and
DBC
and
ECA
and
and
numerous
grants
s
so
I
guess.
One
of
the
reasons
that
I
was
hired
of
the
consultant
was
that
I
understand
a
little
bit.
How
government
works
understand
the
dive
behind
profiting
the
fees
and
I
really
understand
why
the
city
has
a
requirement
to
view
this
project,
so
part
of
my
job
is
to
explain
to
them
how
the
process
works
part
of
their
job.
H
E
H
My
understanding
when
mr.
Rupp
was
here
for
the
preliminary
hearing
that
the
recommendation
was
to
bring
the
whole
project
in
as
a
as
one
unit,
and
then
we
needed
to
final
to
come
back
and
do
high
point.
Village,
grand
Vista
and
and
do
it
individually
for
the
final
am
I.
Is
that
finally
standing
Christ
on
that?
Well.
C
C
About
those
that
we
probably
zoned
are
three
that
are
going
to
have
multiple
buildings
on
them
in
either
condo
form
or
villa
form
or
apartment
living,
rentals,
those
kind
of
things,
and
then
there
was
some
discussion
of
the
I'm,
not
sure
what
to
do
with
the
clubhouse
area.
Because
did
we
zone
that
b3
I
thought
man
or
what
well?
They
talked
about
a
conference
center
at
one
time
right.
C
It
then,
across
the
street
kind
of
this
area,
they
almost
wanted
to
call
the
town
square,
but
we
recommended
you
not
zone
that
B,
because
if
you
don't
it
B,
then
you
can
never
have
residential
on
the
ground
floor.
But
if
you
zona
are
three
yep,
you
can
have
the
residential
in
the
zone.
Part,
but
all
be
one
type.
C
Businesses
are
permitted
within
within
three
by
the
Zoning
Board
laid
in
that
type
of
zoning
designation
and
again,
if
it's
in
it's
an
r3
out,
we
may
want
to
keep
very
radically
UD
also,
and
then
there
were
just
some
questions
that
staff
had
raised
that
because
there
just
need
to
be
recognized
within
the
P,
because
they
may
be
problematic.
20
years
from
now
like
there's
a
a
wide
right
away
as
you
go
in
and
there's
pillars
and
there's
a
gatehouse
and
there's
a.
C
Arboretum
or
some
kind
of
a
gazebo
type
structure
right
most
of
those
when
we
look
at
the
platter
halls,
the
right
away,
which
you
know,
there's
nothing
recorded
anywhere
saying
that's
permissible.
Usually
council
is
the
only
one
that
can
grant
permission
to
build
a
structure,
even
though
it's
a
gazebo
and
the
public
right
away.
So
we
thought
that
and
we
could
do
an
overall
conceptual
saying
and
recognize
some
of
those
things.
C
We
even
talked
about
banner
arms
that
aren't
usually
out
in
you
know,
kind
of
limited
to
the
Uptown
area,
major
commercial
thoroughfares,
but
from
a
marketing
standpoint
today,
they're
there-
and
maybe
that's
the
look.
The
University
of
States
as
a
whole
wants
to
have
down
the
road.
These
need
to
recognize
those
kind.
C
It
probably
as
good
as
anything
is
in
a
preliminary
that
would
identify
those
sites
and
those
kinds
of
special
conditions
that
the
developer
wants.
Then
each
one
as
its
developed
would
have
to
go
to
a
final,
and
what
saves
everybody
is
will
have
to
go
back
to
primary
again,
which
takes
3-4
weeks,
and
so
everything
could
go
a
little
bit
faster.
H
D
H
The
right
away
the
plan
door
for
the
university
states
to
maintain
these
facilities
and
for
that
to
be
done
through
a
homeowner's
association
question
to
kind
of
go
to
a
similar
thing
when
it
talks
about
the
monument
signs
at
the
entrance
and
again
that
would
be
similar
to
the
guardhouse
and
the
flag.
Poles
and
the
question
three
says:
if
one
or
two
are
corrections:
there'd
be
an
agreement
with
a
city,
and
that
is
definitely
yes
and
we
you
know
we
would
welcome
an
opportunity
to
sit
down
and
work
out.
H
H
Priorities
and
the
city's,
probably
organ
or
may
not
be
the
same
priorities
at
the
University
of
State,
so
I
think
that
would
be.
We
feel
that
that
was
definitely
blowing
and
a
homeowner
instead
of
associations
are
the
streetlights
of
responsibility
of
the
city
to
maintain
and
the
guessing
answer
to
that
would
be
yes,.
H
C
D
D
E
D
D
D
C
C
I,
don't
expect
you
to
give
the
does
of
it,
be
the
things
well,
I
think
what
Steve
was
spelling
this
out
was.
We
should
have
what
the
developer
wants
our
request.
Whatever
you
want
to
call
it,
then,
if
the
Planning
Commission
isn't
somewhat
agree
with
it,
their
staff
needs
to
be
able
to
those
that
become
city
responsibilities.
We
have
to
do
slit,
a
live
them,
a
little
more
information
of
it.
Is
there
a
long-term
cost
with
this
etc,
etc.
I
mean.
H
G
G
H
It
is
there
an
agreement
with
with
the
university
on
some
of
their
forearms.
Do
you
have
a
similar
agree
with
that
work
now
well,
I
think
some
again
being
putting
myself
in
the
city
standpoint
I
mean
there
there's
certain
things
you
would
not
want
to
put
on
the
poles
and
a
lot
of
that's
common
sense,
but
it
would
not
hurt
to
have
it
spelled
out
a
form
for
bereavement
and
again
the
mate.
Did
we
go
back
to
the
maintenance?
What
happens
when
they
get
ripped
and
torn?
You
know
whose
responsibility
is
it
to
replace
it?
H
H
H
H
H
H
C
H
H
But
I've
been
again
I
have
no
idea
what
the
outcome.
That's,
what
our,
what
their
plans
all
right
now
item,
13,
most
proposed
residential
off
beyond
they
want
appear
long
and
narrow
people
require
variance
from
the
three-to-one
depth
to
a
width
ratio.
Now
I
believe
you're
talking
about
this
area
here,
mm-hmm.
H
C
E
H
H
H
A
H
A
C
H
H
H
First
or
final
consideration
of
High
Point
Village
as
a
PUD,
and
the
answer
to
that
is
yes,
we're
hoping
and
I'm
not
sure
how,
if
it's
even
possible
to
get
the
phlegm
they
approved
today.
But
as
soon
as
it's
approved,
we
want
some
that
for
High,
Point,
Village,
okay,
we're
hoping
possibly
to
get
it
in
as
quick
24th
of
October
and
and
very
quickly.
We'll
follow
that
up
with
grand
Vista.
D
H
University
of
states
understands
the
magnitude
of
this
project
and
looking
forward
to
working
with
the
Planning
Commission,
the
city,
administration
code
enforcement
officer
and
other
City
and
boards
and
commissions.
We
will
do
everything
in
our
power
to
get
the
necessary
information
to
the
correct
parties
as
quickly
as
possible.
Please
be
patient
with
us.
We
understand
the
importance
of
this
project
to
both
the
local
and
regional
economy,
and
we
understand
the
city
has
a
responsibility
to
make
sure
the
proper
review
of
this
project
occurs.
H
G
C
No
doubt
did
this
one.
This
was
I,
think
didn't
have
a
date
on
it,
but
it
was
about.
It
was
supportive.
The
zoning
application
I
found
a
lot
file.
Is
there
somewhere
on
a
list
of
the
name
of
each
proposed?
That's
probably
gonna
be
a
PUD
and
a
rough
idea
of
how
many
units
are
in.
Is
there
a
list
like
that
I
thought
I
saw
one
at
one
time.
A
B
E
A
A
D
F
C
C
D
E
C
List
you've
got
that
at
stake.
We
have
to
guess-
and
it's
depending
upon
a
lot
of
things
at
this
stage,
because
it's
maintaining
your
eyes,
man
right
on
there
and
they're
scattered
at
three
different
sites.
I,
don't
know
if
that's
three
different
construction
seasons,
it's
gonna
be
I'm,
not
sure
how
we're
gonna
approach,
how
to.
H
H
H
H
H
C
D
D
C
D
A
C
D
D
C
Mean
building
wise,
you
maybe
already
need
some
things
and
that
kind
of
stuff,
but
when
you
plan
it
out
and
do
the
plans,
that's
I
I've
only
seen
four
High
Point
Village
the
PTI
submission
and
that
got
confusing
because
the
water
pti
up
to
get
into
that
driveway
to
the
new
2.7
had
four
I
think
four
buildings
and
they
want
to
look
at
the
stormwater.
Pgi's
had
three.
So
so
that's
III
under
construction,
but.
D
C
That's
where
the
first
decision
point
has
to
be
I
mean
we
could
word
our
motion
for
a
preliminary
approval,
saying
all
phases
of
the
following
probable
PU
DS
and
we
could
go
down
through
there
and
say
High
Point
village
is
that
mr.
Kaufman
want
to
call
rather
than
condos
grand
Vista
mm-hmm
golf
villas.
I,
don't
know
where
the
founders
cottages
are.
E
C
A
C
H
C
A
H
C
E
H
C
C
C
C
And
art
you
know
architectural
work,
it's
saying
it's
really
a
developer
saying
to
the
city.
Does
this
fit
your
zoning?
Does
the
Planning
Commission
basically
agree
to
this
that
that's
where
this,
so
that
I
can
then
spend
the
design
dollars
to
get
the
final
right
and
that's
what
the
way
I've
always
needed
to
be?
Then
all
the
work
happens,
but
if
it
for
some
reason
you
say
well
that
just
doesn't
make
any
sense
to
do
that
in
that
particular
location.
We
don't
have
it
zones
that
it's
compatible.
H
C
Yeah
now
the
preliminary
approvals
I
think
we're
good
one
year.
So
there's
going
to
be
a
series
of
requests
for
continuances
and
you
know
so
it
would
almost
be
like
if
we
grant
this
then
like
every
September,
the
University
of
States
is
gonna,
have
to
come
back
in
and
give
us
a
status
report
on
all
these
and
we've
determined.
D
C
Continue
in
the
row
dot
that
once
a
final
is
granted
I
think
it's
five
years,
isn't
if
you
have
to
complete
it
and
again
they
can
you
know
if
it's
one
of
these,
it's
filled
with
72,
condos
and
you've
got
50
to
build.
You
can
get
a
continuance,
that's
possible,
but
we
we
just
don't
want
it
hanging
out
there
that
20
years
for
parent,
you
still
have
the
rule.
They.
C
D
H
H
H
Doing
has
those
kinds
of
bumps
in
the
road,
but
you
know,
there's
there's
so
much
excitement
about
this
and
the
possibilities,
and
the
golf
course
is
going
to
happen
in
the
clubhouse
and
and
there's
just
a
real
need
for
this
type
and
I'll
be
very
honest
with
you.
One
of
my
decisions
I'm,
whether
not
even
common
and
and
work
as
a
consultant,
is
the
fact
that
I
could
work
with
city
of
Athens,
so
I've
there
and
I've
worked
on
several
different
projects
together
and
and
I
thought
you
know
if
it
was
outside
the
city.
H
H
Yeah,
which
would
have
create
a
problem-
oh
yeah,
that's
no
I,
understand
that
and
you
understand
that
and
from
their
standpoint
they're
just
that
they're
just
anxious
to
get
the
project
going.
That's
really
what
and
so
some
of
they're
getting
the
carpet
or
a
car
before
the
horns
and
then
I
think
it's
been
legitimate.
I
have
to
admit
to
you
that
yeah
they've
got
occasions
ahead
of
them.
Well,
I
get
from
over
that
one.
H
C
A
B
C
I
mean
realia
on
a
preliminary
approval.
Let's
say
we
do
four
Maneri
approval
on
all
of
them.
Subject
to
receiving
to
see
your
engineering,
people
can
really
could
have
before
today
come
in
and
said
these
are
my
design
plans
for
Phase
one
city
starting
to
its
staff
and
technical
reveal,
because
well
then,
from
that
determine
okay,
do
I
need
an
outside
engineer.
To
look
at
any
of
this.
Do
I?
What
do
I
have
to
do
on
soil
stability,
placement
of
fire?
C
You
know
all
those
thinking
different
things
can
start,
because
what
the
Planning
Commission
will
first
ask
of
any
submission.
That's
final,
that's
not
necessarily
with
a
final
form
submission
but
on
a
final
form
is
protectable
review
from
staff,
and
then
those
questions
have
been
addressed.
Staff
of
the
developer
agree
on
or
agree
to
disagree
and
it
comes
to
us
and
then
we
have
upset
things
whether
or
not
there
is
or
is
not
a
public
hearing.
H
C
A
F
A
E
F
A
That's
well,
that's.
The
trouble
is
they're
too
many
of
them.
This
is
my
problem
and
I
spread
them
out
on
the
shelf
and
I
looked
at
all
the
real
numbers,
and
then
you
started
from
that,
and
then
we
have
this
and
and
I
always
thought.
I
was
pretty
bright,
but
I
was
having
Joel
and
I
would
like
to
see
that
before
I.
Do
it
no
I,
if
you
can
get
them
done
and
they
get
in
was
our
next
meeting
what's
meeting
is
this?
This
is
our
second.
A
G
A
I
I
A
Next
three
area,
and
not
well
and
out
that
weights,
and
then
we
had
comments
on
the
comprehensive
language
we
have
approved
and
submitted
things
that
they
wanted
to
change,
but
I
got
those
in
the
meal
and
we
had
another
thing
on
the
changeable
signs.
Now
we
haven't
done
anything
about
that
right.
There
we
have
this
round,
which.
B
B
E
A
B
E
E
B
G
G
B
Very
close
to
the
right
away
line
in
the
front
property
line
and
signs
can
be
that
close,
the
regulations
used
to
say
a
sign
base
had
to
be
back
five
feet,
but
then
it
allowed
it
to
extend
out
over
the
right
away
home
within
two
feet
of
the
curve.
So
when
the
sign
regulations
were
changed,
that
was
kind
of
a
compromise
move,
your
sign
closer
and
you're
not
put
it
out
over
the
ride
away.
Buildings
are
allowed
in
that
zone
to
be
right
on
the
front
property
line
with
no
setback.
B
So
why
was
there
five
feet
further?
That
was
part
of
the
rationale
why
I
signed
back
five
feet,
but
a
building
could
be
right
up
there.
So
just
so
everybody
knows
the
sign.
Without
going
on
a
bucket
truck,
it
does
appear
to
be
compliant
with
the
best
basic
geometry
that
can
a
caveman
geometry,
perfect.
Well,.
A
B
Other
thing,
I,
don't
I,
guess
I'll,
say
unfortunately,
for
you
guys
I
will
be
adding
to
your
pile
of
things
to
look
at
soon
and
I
had
promised
a
while
back
and
I
hadn't
done
it
yet.
But
since
it's
a
political
season,
I
have
had
very
good
commentary:
compliance
with
the
parties
and
candidates
on
meeting
our
sign
regulations
which
are
unconstitutional.
That's
what
I
have
for
you
and
I'll
just
go
ahead
and
give
it
to
your
pretty
soon
is
a
political
signs
and
Constitution
it
constitutionality.
B
B
Also,
I'll
give
you
a
copy.
The
court
case
from
Painesville
Ohio
state
Supreme
Court
refused
to
hear
that
case
and
that's
the
basis
on
which
all
in
Ohio,
in
particular,
all
political
signed
regulations
have
been
found
to
be
unconstitutional
if
similar
to
pain,
pains
bills
and
then
hopefully,
I'll
be
able
to
also
give
you
a
document
that
has
survived
legal
challenge
already.
So
hopefully
we
can
just
take
out
the
word,
whatever
city
insert
the
word,
Athens
give
it
a
review
and
hopefully
then
that's
something
that
we
can
adopt
going
not
having
to
go
through
all.
A
C
A
B
A
E
B
E
C
A
My
other
question
about
signs
is
we
haven't
for
rent
signs
up
constantly
and
we
have
banners
on
how's
this
thing
for
ramp,
don't
we
there
happens
up
all
the
time
because
they're
always
for
rent.
You
know
the
kids
have
this
thing
where
they
go
out
when
they
get
back
to
school
and
they
rent
for
next
year,
and
then
people
put
signs
on
their
house
for
all
year.
Long
I
swear.
B
Well,
maybe
that's
something
else
can
be
looked
at.
We
do
the
political
signs,
because
the
way
it's
written
now
it
just
says
the
sign
has
to
come
down
within
two
weeks
after
the
closing
of
the
sale
of
a
property
or
the
lease
kind
of
read
between
well,
the
landlords
then
or
the
Realtors
want
to
read
between
the
lines
and
then
in
two
weeks,
I
can
put
it
back
up
again.
So
there's
no
continuing
prohibition
there's
just
like
a
drop-dead
date.
A
B
Districts,
the
size
of
a
temporary
real
estate
sign
is
regulated
by
the
zoning
district.
I
had
complaints
a
while
back
about
real
estate
signs
on
Richland
Avenue,
that's
a
b2
zone
and
the
maximum
freestanding
real
estate
sign
can
be
as
much
as
the
freestanding
sign,
which
would
be
50
feet
in
residential
zones.
It's
limited
to
those
small
signs
and
business
zones.
B
You
know,
I
know
every
night
going
home
on
Columbus
Road,
there's
some
commercial
property
for
sale
and
the
sign
or
allows
for
those
types
of
signs
real
estate
signs
in
commercial
districts
or
non-residential
to
be
much
larger.
So,
even
though
you
think
you're
driving
through
a
residential
neighborhood
you're
driving
through
a
business
district
which
allows.
A
B
University
yeah,
the
original
signs
were
cited
by
myself.
That
was
that
my
decision
was
appealed
to
the
Board
of
Zoning
Appeals,
who
upheld
my
decision.
That
particular
appellant
then
took
it
as
they're
allowed
by
right
to
go
to
Common
Pleas
Court
and
the
common
police
court
judge
upheld
my
decision
and
the
zoning
boards
that
ass
line
cannot
say
managed
by
a
certain
company.
It
was
off-site
advertising
if
it
said
managed
by.
However,
in
the
judges
decision,
it
also
said,
if
it
said
for
rent,
it
would
be
then
similar
to
a
permitted
real
estate
sign.
So.
E
C
B
A
B
B
B
B
One
of
the
things
that's
going
to
come
out
in
the
discussion
about
political
signs
is
that
the
appellate
court's
ruling
said
that
you
have
to
treat
all
temporary
signs
the
same
the
same
way,
so
you
can't
say
well,
one
type
is
permitted.
Okay
without
a
permit.
One
can
be
this
size.
One
has
to
be
this
size.
One
can
be
up
this
long.
One
has
to
come
down
this
quickly.
That's
where
you
get
into
your
problem.
B
A
A
Know
but
I
get
tired,
looking
well
I
haven't
in
my
yard,
but
I,
don't
like
them:
okay,
announcements,
another
business.
Our
next
meeting
is
whatever
that.
Would
you
say
November:
do
we
have
any
citizens
who
wish
to
speak?