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A
A
C
Regularly-Scheduled
almost
postponed
from
last
week,
meeting
of
the
Advent
City
Planning
Commission.
It
was
changed
from
the
third
to
the
Kent's
because
we
need
to
have
a
quorum
present,
August
10th,
2006
meeting
it
is
231.
We
have
a
full
board
here,
I'd
like
to
say
we're
very
sorry
to
announce
that
Wayne
key.
There
was
a
long
time
member
and
a
service
Safety
Director
finally
lost
that
mighty
bad
will
attack
with
cancer
and
he
died
on
what
Tuesday
night.
C
C
And
so
that
means
that
he
can
then
serve
on
on
the
board.
Previously
we
did
not
have
anybody
come
because
there
was
some
feeling
that
state
law
said
that
it
had
to
be
the
service
safety
directors.
You
couldn't
have
a
certain
certainty,
but
now
and
we
all
feel
very
badly
about
Wayne.
He
was
such
a
big
help
to
us.
D
B
C
C
C
There
was
one
request
to
change
the
agenda:
I.
Don't
I
can't
do
that
without
emotion.
To
do
that,
we
don't
know
how
long
the
first
case
is
summative
and
Coates
Creek,
which
is
six
thirteen
and
oh
six.
Ten
is
seconds
because
they're
back
again,
so
we've
had
a
request
from
that
group
to
change
the
agenda.
E
C
C
F
F
The
area
the
site
is
a
32
plus
or
minus
acre
site
located
here
with
frontage
along
Richland
Avenue
adjacent
to
the
Greenbrier,
a
subdivision,
as
you
can
see
from
this
aerial
photo,
the
the
site
was
has
been
previously
logged
and
cleared,
and
the
vegetation
that
once
existed
is
now
minimized,
and
so
you
have
an
existing
site
that
has
some
erosion
and
runoff
problems
that
that
we
think
we
can
help
to
solve
here
with
the
development.
The
way
we
have
proposed.
F
F
F
That
was
overgrown
and
dried
up,
and
we
went
in
and
worked
with
in
this
case,
the
city
of
Columbus.
We
donated
the
ground
to
the
city,
Columbus
is
parkland,
and
then
we
maintain
it
for
the
city
Columbus.
But
you
can
see
the
existing
water
feature
here
that
as
now
mode
and
has
been
replanted
with
some
of
the
natural
grasses.
F
This
is
another
view
of
the
the
stream
land
and
has
and
how
it's
been
re
rebuilt
this
this
feature
over
here,
I'm
going
to
try
and
stay
close
to
the
microphone
is
a
project
that
we
have
nearby
Columbus,
where
we
built
a
facility
which
we
for
the
city
of
Dublin,
which
is
a
park
land
and
on
the
top
of
a
hill.
We
put
some
forth
some
rabbit
sculptures,
which
were
called
dancing
hares
and
it's
something
that
this
fun
for
the
community
and
that
particular
one
is
a
single-family
development.
F
But
it's
meant
to
be
something
that
that,
when,
when
folks
in
the
community
drive
by,
they
have
a
warm
feeling
that
the
developments
been
done,
responsibility
and
and
moves
in
with
it
with
it
works
in
with
the
community.
This
is
a
project
that
we
built
in
Cincinnati,
where
we
had
an
existing
stream
that
we
called
a
linear
park
and
we
did
rework
the
stream
put
in
some
flowers
and
and
then
we
continued
to
maintain
that.
F
F
Met
with
one
of
the
neighboring
property
owners
and
we've
made
an
agreement
to
purchase,
which
we
think
is
integral
to
to
our
site
plan
here,
which
is
having
the
doctor
and
mrs.
tonneau
Leah,
but
essentially
the
same
layout
as
you
have
896
beds,
which
is
similar
to
what
was
in
the
past
several
things
here
that
are
significantly
different
than
things
that
you've
seen
in
the
past
and
problems
that
I
had
heard
with
it.
F
The
previous
development
proposals,
one
was
previous
development,
had
extensive
use
of
retaining
walls
when
I
looked
at
it
myself,
I
saw
4500
lineal
feet
of
retaining
walls
and
to
me,
I
interpret
that
oftentimes
as
not
working
within
the
grading
that
is
reasonably
achievable,
so
our
our
take
on
this
would
eliminate
virtually
all
of
that.
We
have
a
couple
locations
where
we
we
have
some
retaining
walls.
I
think
this
front
corner
here
by
our
front
drive.
F
That,
of
course
allows
us
to
have
a
site
that
is
flatter,
and
this
entire
portion
here,
which
is
probably
20-some
acres,
is
all
handicap
accessible.
We
think
it
improves
the
mobility
and
the
function
of
the
site
plan
in
in
this
plan.
We
have
recognized
the
existence
of
Coach
rung
in
the
front
and
then
also
this
stream
bed
in
the
past
in
the
back,
and
we
have
established
a
50-foot,
no
build
zone
barrier.
F
F
Here
we
have
located
by
an
asterisk
in
the
back
here
several
other
areas
where
we
can
use
additional
retention
ponds
and
we
will
pursue
those
and
the
need
for
those
if,
if
we're
allowed
to
proceed
through
the
final
final
engineering,
we've
also
along
Richland
Avenue,
here
we're
crossing
the
stream,
and
we
would
intend
to
create
some
frontage
here
and
redevelop
that
Richland
Avenue
corridor,
hopefully
consistent
with
the
vision
that
Athens
has
for
streetscape
in
and
acknowledging
some
of
the
existing
structures
that
you
have
here.
We
think
that
the
University
in
is
an
attractive
building.
F
There
are
some
architectural
architectural
elements
here
that
we
think
are
nice
elements
of
the
city
and,
and
we
would
want
to
acknowledge
those
and
our
vision
is
that
when
you
drive
along
Richland
Avenue
that
you
can
look
up
at
this
project
and
you
have
a
very
attractive
visual
corridor,
I'd
like
to
show
you
some
images
that
I
we
have
that
our
things
that
we
would
like
to
incorporate
into
the
project.
First
of
all,
you
have
the
ridges,
which
is
a
historic
element
and
some
of
the
Georgian
features.
F
F
F
Some
concerns
about
other
properties
that
were
not
landscaped
properly
and
some
of
the
disappointments
of
previous
developments
in
the
past,
and
we
want
to
have
a
departure
from
that.
So
I
wanted
to
give
you
some
images
of
what
this
can
be.
This
happens
to
be
some
a
few
folks
can
see
it
from
the,
but
there
are
some
grade
changes
here
along
this
Ridge
and
we've
drawn
in
some
trees.
That
would
draw
your
eye
up
to
will
be
our
clubhouse
feature,
but
this
is
an
example
of
of
how
something
like
that
can
be
accomplished.
F
F
Another
thing
we'd
like
to
acknowledge
is-
and
we've
heard
that
there's
been
some
existing
Indian
mounds
that
are
on
this
site.
I
believe
they've
been
excavated
and
there's
not
much
left,
I've
seen
them
and
looked
at
them
walk
the
site.
It
was
suggested
to
us
that
maybe
we
could
reconstruct
those
Indian
mounds
on
the
site
somewhere.
F
We
thought
that
was
a
great
idea.
We've
done
a
little
bit
of
research
on
that
and
we
wanted
to
show
just
some
ideas
on
how
that
could
happen
and
Ryan
made
have
an
amount
to
help
me
with
the
details
on
this.
But
this
is
a
landscaping.
Mounds
happens
to
be
from
I
believe
it's
called
the
waves
I'm,
not
sure
we
would
do
something
this
massive,
but
it's
an
example
of
landscaping
and
mounding,
and
this
happens
to
be
designed
by
Maya,
Lin
well.
F
F
D
G
This
point
he
calls
it
a
commercial
site,
but
under
the
r3
zoning
code
there
are
certifiable
uses
which
there
are
some
conditional
uses,
which
would
be
more
that
convenience
retail,
that's
related
to
the
multifamily
use
of
the
remainder
of
the
site.
But
there
are
also
other
conditional
uses,
such
as
the
hotel
motel.
They
fall
under
the
r3
zoning,
so
it
wouldn't
be
a
rezoning
of
that
piece
of
property.
It
would
be
to
allow
those
conditional
uses
through
the
PD
process
to
be
on
that
little
six
acre
piece
up
in
the
side.
F
F
Our
hope
is
that
this
feature
right
here
is
one
something
that
we've
done
here,
which
was
up.
This
is
up
in
Columbus,
where
we
created
a
I'll
call
an
identification
tower
which
helps
to
it's
a
very
it's.
A
very
handsome
structure
that
we
have.
This
happens
to
be
black
slate
and
go
a
goldleaf
lettering,
but
we
would
probably
do
a
study
of
some
of
the
architectural
elements
here
and
and
hope
that
again,
your
eye
would
be
drawn
up
to
something
that
we
at
the
top
of
the
hill
and
resembled
this
kind
of
structure.
F
From
an
engineering
side,
we
have
had
some
preliminary
discussions
about
about
the
site
in
Athens,
there
is
existing
soil
conditions,
which
we
call
slip
prone
soils.
This
is
structurally
unsound
for
buildings.
We
would
intend
to
remediate
that
through
the
cuts
and
fills
on
this
site,
the
Greenbriar
subdivision
next
door
has
some
homes
that
have
slipped
themselves,
and
so,
in
order
to
do
that,
we
would
need
to
undercut
and
move
move
soil
on
the
site.
We
think
that
the
way
that
we
have
this
plan
is
a
good
one.
F
F
We
have
not
shown
any
direct
access
to
dairy
lane
on
this
site
plan
and
we're
open
to
your
input
on
that.
We've
heard
mixed
reviews
on
whether
we
need
to
tie
in
there
or
not,
and
we
know
that
in
the
past
the
tie-in
was
for
emergency
use.
Only.
We
are
capable
and
willing
to
do
that
if
a
few
folks
so
desire.
F
We
had
some
discussions
with
your
utility
officials
on
that,
and
we
feel
that
the
water
line,
a
water
line
extension,
would
be
the
most
probable
solution
for
this
site
and
that's
something
that
we
will
work
out
with
you
folks,
if
it's
consistent
with
proposals
that
have
been
made
in
the
past,
which
we
think
we
can
equal
or
improve
upon
it,
would
allow
the
city
to
have
a
water
line
extension
that
would
improve
water
pressures
to
the
area.
It
would
allow
the
city
to
eliminate
to
booster
pump
stations
and.
F
Save
you
a
substantial
amount
of
money.
We
also
are
have
investigated
the
sanitary
sewer
situation
and
we
understand
that
the
Richland
Avenue
sanitary
is
at
capacity.
We
have
the
ability
to
tie-in
elsewhere,
but
we
are
going
to
investigate
the
possibility
of
improving
the
Richland
Avenue
sewer
and
over
sizing
it
so
that
we
don't
have
to
put
a
lift
station
in
for
this.
This
proposed
use
there.
It
may
cost
us
more,
but
we
think
that
that
probably
would
be
a
good,
better
long-term
solution
for
for
you
folks
and
might
also
solve
some
problems.
C
F
G
I
guess,
from
my
standpoint,
we
took
a
look
at
the
plan
is
currently
approved
through
the
preliminary
development.
It
isolates
all
the
multifamily
development
back
here
on
the
back
of
the
hillside.
I
think
severely
covers
that
stream
and
impacts
the
stream
in
a
detrimental
way,
and
they
had
several
retaining
walls
up
on
the
site.
I'm
not
saying
that
we're
not
lowering
the
top
of
the
hillside
anymore,
we're
less
than
they
are
I.
G
G
My
mind
would
not
look
good
at
all
of
this,
not
the
best
thing,
so
the
idea
is,
we
are
still
depressing,
the
top
of
this
hill,
and
that
is
somewhat
driven
by
a
DA
accessibility
throughout
the
project
in
getting
accessible
routes
from
the
furthest
buildings
over
to
the
clubhouse
area,
and
it's
also
I
think
it's
driven
by
the
the
soils
that
are
out
there
today.
Those
soils
need
to
be
picked
up,
remediated
and
then
put
back
down
to
make
them
structural
Pasi
of
the
buildings.
G
The
other
thing
that
we
did,
besides,
that
we
I
think
we
used
a
little
bit
more
of
what
the
land
this
piece
of
property
will
allow.
As
far
as
density,
we
kept
the
stream
corridors,
we
tried
not
to
touch
them.
What
we
did
is
we
started
with
a
50-foot
buffer
from
the
top
of
Bank,
and
then
we
started
our
grading
from
there
up.
So
that
would
allow
us
to
save
all
the
trees
from
that
I'm,
not
gonna,
say
all
the
trees
most
of
the
trees
from
that
50
foot
of
them.
G
The
idea
is
that
would
be
the
toe.
This
look.
You
wouldn't
have
to
touch
anything
to
the
other
side
of
it.
We
put
the
construction
fence
in
and
then
start
our
grading
up
to
the
top
of
the
hill.
So
we
did
that
on
both
pieces
and
then
the
third
thing
that
I
think
is
very
important.
Is
the
Richland
Avenue
in
the
public
view
into
the
property,
as
you
drive
down
marcelin
happening
right
now,
it's
I
wouldn't
say
it
has
a
cooking
seat,
feel
there's
a
lot
of
single-family
houses
that
been
converted
into
offices
and.
G
Office
some
commercial
uses
in
them
there's
a
lot
of
persons,
convenience
stores
the
project
across
the
street.
You
can
see
into
their
project
and
it's
almost
like,
they
turn
their
back
on
the
public
specter.
They
have
one
building,
that's
sitting
up
at
the
top
I
wouldn't
say
it's
the
most
attractive
view.
Our
idea
is
to
create
more
of
this
linear
park
through
this
conservation
zone
from
our
entrance
to
the
south
and
then
to
the
north,
where
we
are
going
to
actually
pack
and
stream
with
bridges
and
covert.
H
G
To
come
in
and
do
some
sort
of
commercial
use
that
fronts,
the
stream
you
create
like
a
little
boardwalk
river
view.
You
know
the
restaurant
or
whatever
they
use,
may
be
sitting
along
the
creek
edge
and
actually
address
the
creek
use
that
as
the
front
door,
and
then
it
would
come
in
and
and
be
more
of
the
view
into
the
project.
So
I
really
think
one
thing
that
Edwards
is
very
good
about
doing
in
all
their
projects
as
they
create
this
front
door
to
give
them.
B
G
F
C
G
F
E
F
E
G
G
There
along
dairy
lane
and
try
keep
those
rules.
We
can
I
think
we
do
have
a
couple
of
alternatives,
though,
that
might
get
us
to
the
south,
which
is
whatever
happens
to
get
a
new
property.
We
have
a
a
great
point
of
exits
here,
we're
already
existing
grades
and
then
the
other
thought
might
be
is
if
we
can
get
a
second
access
through
the
two
parking
lots.
F
B
G
E
A
I
D
F
I
I
But
it
does
help
us
because,
when
we
start
talking
about
these,
we
are
talking
about
elevations
we're
talking
about
changes
of
elevation,
and
sometimes
you
get
surprised
as
to
what
you've
got.
You
heard
you
say
in
person
what
what
we
see
in
product
and
level.
Let's
put
it
that
way,
so
the
more
things
we
can
have
to
so
that
we
can
really
visualize.
It
does
help
us
and
of
course,
I
have
you
know
again,
as
we
talked
before
on
site
management
and
all
those
good
kind
of
things
that's
answered.
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K
Guys
we're
reading
John
Vaillant,
we're
here
and
I
think
that
there's
a
few
handouts
there
in
front
of
you
to
be
reviewed
right
like
to
describe
what
the
thought
process
is
hear.
The
word
warning
now
I
believe
at
the
last
meeting.
One
of
the
primary
requests
from
the
Commission
was
to
have
some
concept
of
what
the
building
is
going
to
look
like,
and
we
have
generated
this
elevation.
Essentially,
that
would
be
on
the
Stimson
Avenue
side,
looking
from
Smithson
Avenue
onto
the
property,
oh
yeah,
I,
don't
know
if
you
have
a.
K
Pretty
much
it's
a
conceptual
elevation
showing
I
think
some
of
the
intended
materials
are
possibly,
but
mainly
it
would
be
a
mixture
of
brick
and
some
other
type
of
material.
We
haven't
really
discussed
yet,
but
either
a
stucco
driver,
type,
material
or
some
kind
of
a
hard
board,
we're
not
sure
yet,
but
the
idea
is
to
try
to
make
it
fit
into
the
neighborhood
and
make
the
building
break
it
up
enough
that
it
actually
hopefully
assumes
some
of
the
scale
of
adjacent
structures
that
are
on
Simpson
Avenue.
K
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K
I've
got
a
little
diagram
showing
the
contours
and
how
they
work
here,
and
then
this
concept
here
that
we
were
doing
I
still
kept
residential
on
the
higher
elevation
and
on
the
more
lower
farther
away
from
West,
8th,
Street,
actually
I'm.
Sorry,
yes,
added
East,
8th
Street
added
over
the
commercial
with
it
we're
closer
to
ambassador
laundry
and
more
towards
grade
elevation
are
easier
to
get
the
great
elevation,
as
you
can
see,
I
have
sort
of
a
transition
in
elevation
that
occurs
between
the
residential
and
the
commercial
section
of
that
property.
K
And
now
you
know,
there's
other
things
that
make
this
not
such
a
bad
idea.
I
think
and
that
right
around
the
corner
on
State
Street
are
because
they
are
not
in
the
same
zone.
There
are
residential
structures
right
across
the
street,
the
residential
apartment
building
from
the
old
church,
the
SAE
house
there's
Apartments
on
on
going
on
up
to
Uptown
area.
So
this
is
sort
of
I
would
consider
sort
of
a
transit
transition
period
or
spacer
between
the
B
3
and
the
R
3.
K
So
I,
don't
think
it's
it's
totally
out
of
character
to
allow
this
to
happen.
I
know
this
is
an
accident
for
a
variance
from
the
letter
of
the
code,
but
in
in
reviewing
this
site
it
makes
sense,
I
think,
to
allow
this
to
happen
to
this
location,
coming
off
of
East,
8th
Street
or
State
Street,
and
it's
primarily
I,
think
and
I
do
I
know
this
from
for
a
fact
is
a
dangerous
intersection,
especially
cuz.
It's
downhill
coming
off
of
the
coming
off
of
the
red
light
there,
and
also
making
that
quick
turn.
C
K
Now
the
black
and
white,
drawing
actually
depicts
that
whole
section,
also
being
commercial
at
the
upper
level
as
well
it'll,
be
more
difficult
to
get
access
to
I.
Think
because
we
have
the
just
the
slope
that
we're
having
to
deal
with
along
Stimpson
Avenue
at
that
specific
element
at
that
location
that
it's
going
down
so
quickly.
K
K
And
just
from
different
angles
and
views
what
what
it's
actually
like,
they're
the
building
on
the
corner
is
very
close.
It's
there's
only
a
sidewalk
away
from
the
street
when
you're
making
a
turn
from
East
a
street
on
distance
a
nap.
So
you
don't
get
any
view
down
the
street
of
where
you're
going
anyway.
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M
Our
goal
we
would
like
to
have
375
we
probably
can
live
with
350,
but
much
lower
than
that.
I,
don't
know
that
we
can
I
believe
we
have
from
the
numbers
I'm
hearing
we
to
be
real,
straightforward,
we're
probably
from
one
to
one
we're,
probably
a
hundred
in
the
neighborhood
of
a
hundred
parking
spaces
short
now,
if
you're
gonna.
M
Now
there
are
some
possibilities,
we've
been
all
over
the
neighborhood
if
you're
in
sit
are
going
to
insist
and
I,
don't
know
where
we're
gonna
reach
that
point
where
we
have
to
have
we're
still
contending
that
we
don't
need.
If
we,
if
we
have
375
part
bedrooms,
we
feel
we
do
not
need
375
parking
spots.
However,
if
you're,
not
if
you
insist
we'll
somehow
someway
get
them
now,
I
do
want.
To
mention
to
you.
M
We
have
parking
for,
and
I
still
contend,
and
there
was
some
discussion
about
this-
we're
charging
$30
a
month
for
Uptown
parking
and
if
anyone
can
find
in
for
anything
less
expensive
I
have
it
the
only
place
that
we
found
it's
less
expensive
is
there's
the
fairgrounds
our
billing
at
85,
or
the
billing
on
North
Court
is
about
a
55%
ratio.
55
percent
of
the
students
have
parking
from
from
us.
We
have
on-site
parking
and
then
we
have
only
a
few
use
our
parking
lot
at
56
West
Gardiner.
M
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I
Your
data,
though
less,
is
really
based
upon
what
you're
renting
and
we
really
don't
have
any
way
of
knowing
of
the
people
that
rent
the
apartments
from
you
do.
They
have
cars
here
right,
I
have
no
way
of
knowing
that
you
don't
either
I
agree
with
ya
all
we
know
they're
not
ready
for
months
right,
and
you
make
the
supposition
that
your
rates
are
low
enough
for
your
people.
That
are
tenants
that,
if
they're
renting
parking
at
all
they're
ready
to
hear
the
question
from
the
near
neighborhoods
come
well,
are
they
ready
parking?
L
M
Around
the
neighborhood
and
I
agree
with
you,
however,
recognize,
for
instance,
the
north
court,
that
that
property
of
North
Court,
which
we
say
is
about
55%.
You
could
only
throw
a
baseball
from
that
location
to
the
parking
lot.
If
I
can't
imagine
a
closer
spot
to
park
and
why,
in
the
world
they
would
choose
one
further
way
for
well
and,
as
I
say
fertile
now.
If
we
had
prices
of
150
dollars
a
month
or
150
like
a
few,
the
parking
lot
have
I
could
understand,
but
I
really
I
haven't
found
anyone.
N
An
Isaac
said:
I
live
it
here:
Tom,
22,
Curt,
Street,
right
across
from
the
old
landmark
building
and
in
our
apartment
building
are
45
apartments
and
they're
all
housed.
We're
all
seniors.
45
isn't
much
compared
to
what
375,
but
the
noise
and
the
pollution
and
the
traffic
is
it's
an
annoyance
for
us
in
right.
Now
we
have
a
lot
of
students
in
our
neighborhood
we've
kind
of
become
part
of
the
Palmer
Street
thing
and
the
and
the
Mill
Street
thing.
N
So
we
not
by
choice,
I,
might
add,
and
so
I
just
wanted
you
to
keep
us
in
mind.
Less
we're,
not
happy
you
can
understand
and
as
far
as
the
cars
are
concerned,
I've
always
thought
there
are
20,000
students
and
everyone
has
got
a
car
when
you
try
to
find
a
parking
place
in
Uptown.
That's
that's
what
you
think
so
anyway,
I
just
want
you
to
know
we're.
Still.
We
still
got
our
own.
Yes,.
C
H
Got
nicely
and
I
live
at
96
91
Hooper
Road
we're
neighbor
down
there
at
the
bank.
We
also
have
a
parking
lot
that
we're
talking
to
Les
and
Brent
about
if
they
need
space
that
we
might
enter
into
agreement
to
do
that
do
so
we
think
it's
a
good
idea
to
develop
the
site,
especially
in
accordance
with
what
our
comprehensive
plan
is
speaking
about.
If
you
look
at
that
comprehensive
plan,
they
talk
about
going
to
an
r4
high-density
zone.
H
Use
that
property
for
what
what
it
was,
what
we
as
the
planners
felt
that
was
used
before
that
so
in
the
91
plan,
also
speaks
of
high-density
housing
and
those
things
and
we've
always
always
recognized
that
this
community,
the
second
largest
business
in
this
community,
is
student,
housing
and
I.
Think
as
the
city,
we
need
to
manage
that
and
this
by
using
the
tactics
that
we
have
in
the
comprehensive
plan.
It
makes
sense
to
do
that
so.
C
C
B
L
I
That's
a
write-up
on
our
agenda
because
we
always
talk
about
this
high
in
the
city,
art
form-
and
it
does
say
in
the
comprehensive
plan
that
they
want.
A
new
are
for
zoning
district
to
be
applied
to
this
area,
not
Mill
Street,
but
they
wanted
to
reflect
the
current
allowable
density
in
r3,
which
is
30
units
per
acre
and
they're
recommending,
and
there
are
three
s
we
down
and
allow
less
than
30
per
eight.
So
the
30
per
acre
is
considered
high-density
according
to
the
comprehensive
plan.
So.
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J
There
there
are
different
ways
to
look
at
density.
You
can
look
at
area
per
person
or
you
can
look
at
area
per
unit.
Now
a
unit
can
have
one
to
five
people
in
it.
Currently
our
code
says
1,250
square
feet
per
unit,
but
it
doesn't
say
it's
a
1-bedroom
unit
or
a
5/5
bedroom
unit.
So,
for
example,
if
somebody
wants
to
do
the
math
real
quick,
just
let's
say,
they're
four
bedrooms
divide
that
into
375
come
up
with
that
total
number
of
units
multiplied
by
1250,
see
okay,
kids,.
E
D
J
E
J
J
It
doesn't
then
sort
out,
for
example,
are
they
single-story
two-story
three-story
eight-story,
it's
just
again
when
you're
talking
about
density,
there's
a
lot
of
different
ways
to
look
at
it,
but
the
way
the
city
codes
written
right
now
is
1,250
square
feet
of
land
area
per
unit.
Now
that
square
footage
number
that
you
came
up
with
in
order
to
turn
that
to
acres
/
4042.
B
E
J
A
J
A
J
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E
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Available
as
opposed.
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E
J
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J
E
E
E
E
J
So
there's
a
lot
of
different
ways
to
view
density
and
I
can
provide
you
with
that
chart
again
when
I
go
back
to
the
office,
I'll
pull
it
up,
because
I
know
it's
been
revised
a
little
bit
because
it
was
something
mr.
dowdy
had
used
to
compare
all
the
projects
in
town
compared
to
the
different
ones.
That
he's.
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J
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There's
a
lot
of
details
to
work
out,
but
we
don't
be
it
final
approved
we're
out
of
final
approval.
That's
when
the
final
you
know
what
I
think
the
owners
of
the
property
need
to
know
is
that
does
the
Planning
Commission
really
believe
this
is
appropriate
for
rental
housing
in
some
commercial
units
with
before
they
spend
more
time,
energy
and
dollars
further
developing
the
plan
so
that
we
can
get
to
ok,
there's
exactly
so
many,
and
this
is
the
calculation
and
this
is
how
it's
going
to
flow
and
work,
and
everything
like
that.
A
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E
J
Have
recently
spoken
with
mr.
Steven
Abdullah
about
a
minor
lot
split
that
required
a
variance
he's
above
probably
a
month
month
and
a
half
ago,
and
he
had
planned
a
vacation
around
assuming
the
meeting
was
last
week
and
then
it
got
changed.
So
you
don't
have
to
make
a
decision
today,
he's
not
here
today,
but
okay,
all
right.
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J
The
proposal,
if
you
look
in
the
first
page
when
I've
marked
as
Exhibit
A,
there's
a
survey
of
three
parcels
of
land
that
were
owned
by
mr.
Abdulla.
The
larger
parcel
identified
as
almost
three
acres
2.99
is
where
you've
recently
seen
a
proposal
for
Castle
Pines
and
just
some
information
on
that
too.
Mr.
Faron,
we'll
be
back
with
a
revised,
scaled-down
Castle
Pines
for
you
to
look
at
I
spoke
with
him
today,
but
anyway,
the
three
acre
site.
That's
where
Castle
Pines
was
proposed.
J
This
drab
Della's
house
is
on
the
smaller
lot
and
then
that
l-shaped
lot
they
has
right.
There
is
a
lot
that's
available
for
development.
If
you
look
at
the
next
page,
it's
a
sketch
that
I
did
rather
than
have
him,
actually
do
a
survey
prior
to
any
review.
It's
a
blown
up
called
that
could
be
it's
a
blow-up
of
that
l-shaped
lot
with
what
he
proposes
to
do.
J
That
would
get
you
from
first
street
back
to
that
lot
in
the
back
and
then
on
the
on
the
first
sheet
on
the
memo
what
I
did
was
the
following:
variances
are
necessary
for
the
proposed
fifteen
thousand
four
hundred
sixty
point:
five
s
work
with
lot
and
the
lot
areas
just
about
5000
square
feet
less
than
what's
required.
Twenty
thousand
square
feet
is
the
minimum
lot
size.
Now
that
can
be
permitted.
That's
a
recent
change
in
the
subdivision,
regs
based
on
availability
of
water
sewer
and
curb
and
gutter.
J
So
when
you
have
curb
and
gutter,
you
can
go
just
a
little
over
nine
thousand
square
feet,
no
curb
and
gutter.
It
jumps
up
to
twenty
thousand,
no
curb
and
gutter,
no
sewer
water
only
which
is
quite
common
outside
the
city.
That's
one
acre
minimum,
so
the
availability,
availability
of
water
and
sewer
there
drives
that
20,000
square
foot
number.
J
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J
But
the
proposal
is
not
to
actually
make
it
part
of
that
land.
It's
it's
just
a
condition
attached
to
other
land
for
use
in
the
back
I
mean
they're
I,
guess
they
could
just
as
easily
say
that
they
wanted
a
small
strip.
They
could
put
a
small
strip
20
feet
wide,
all
the
way
out
to
the
street.
If
that
were
the
case,
you're
correct,
then
that
other
lot
would
need
a
Barris,
because
you're
going
to
take
that
105,
you're
gonna,
take
it
down
to
85,
which
is
five
feet
too
narrow.
J
I
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J
I
D
I
Got
to
put
conditions
on
there
and
say
what,
if
three
different
people,
only
three
ones
right
now,
you
know
because
somewhere
along
the
line,
that's
gonna
happen.
So
that's
why,
when
we
look
at
these,
I
really
wants
to
be
able
to
say
why
do
we
want
an
ease
with
you
know,
because
to
me,
the
person
having
worthies
what's
going
to
should
have
the
responsibility.
Maintaining
you
know,
I
mean
it's
differently.
There's
I
understand
right
now:
that's
vacant
land!
Yes,
the
to
law.
He
has.
Another
house
is
on
the
third
one
right
right.
J
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Again,
the
easement
could
be
also
used
as
a
shared
driveway
for
the
piece
on
the
side,
as
I
recall
to
and
just
kept
a
piggyback
on
what
the
mayor's
saying
I
did
discuss
this
with
mr.
Abdulla.
You
know
that
you
could
come
in
and
ask
for
this
two
variances
for
wrote.
What
I
tried
to
do
is
minimize
the
variance
see
because
then
you
probably
would
have
been
cutting
I
think
the
other
lot
then
in
the
front
would
have
needed
frontage
and
area
variances.
If
that
I
was.
I
J
When
I
discussed
in
the
three-mile
limit,
when
I
discuss
with
applicants,
what
the
Planning
Commission
might
like
to
see,
I
always
tell
them,
it
should
be
similar
to
what
the
county
requires
and
that's
easements
of
30
feet
at
a
minimum.
One
lot
50
feet
two
or
more
Lots,
if
approved,
for
variance
and
also
a
maintenance
agreement.
J
I
didn't
really
know
that
a
decision
was
gonna,
be
might
be
made
today
or
may
not
be
made,
but
this
was
the
information
that
I
had
right
now
and
again.
The
reason
that
I
didn't
think
there
was
going
to
be
a
presentation,
the
kinds
of
questions
that
you're
asking
about.
Why
do
you
want
to
do
it?
This
way
could
be
answered
by
mr.
Abdulla,
but
I
guess
his
brother's
here
today.
To
answer
those
questions.
J
J
O
I
I
Standard
I
think
you
should
very
strongly
think
about
which
is
30
feet
mm-hmm.
The
second
question
that
I
really
had
then
was.
We
need
to
tie
that
to
whomever
was
really
using.
If
it's
an
easement
it
needs
to
be
tied,
then
that
property
owner
would
own
it,
because
otherwise,
you're
gonna
have
to
determine
that
at
some
isn't.
I
That
that
so
that's
a
given
H
any
questions
right,
because
what
happens
then
is
if
and
that's
another
thing
that
other
a
vacant
lot
gets
sold.
What?
If
that
person
wants
to
use
in
order
to
say
beside
my
house,
so
that
I
want
to
come
down
that
easement
to
the
storage
and
then
we
pulled
in
and
go
into
my
garage.
Well,
then,
you
did
share
these,
so
be
part
of
this
guy
that
you
got
to
look
at
okay,
I
got
three
I
want
three.
I
I
O
I
Thinking
of
the
provider
than
20
feet
and
that's
subject
to
some
debate
is
usually
the
standards
in
the
county.
I
think
is
at
least
a
22
foot,
Street
mm-hmm
road,
whatever
you
want
to
call
it.
So
it's
at
least
11
feet,
I
think
that's
minimum
and
then
usually
you're
thinking
about.
Oh,
where
am
I
gonna
put
any
utilities
back
to
this
place.
Right
wow!
You
don't
want
to
do
it
the
road,
because
every
time
you
got
to
change
dude,
you
got
to
tear
up
the
road
mm-hm.
So
that's
why
they
get
to
the
30
feet.
I
B
O
I
There
were
a
lot
more
20,000
square
foot
Lots
in
the
city.
There's
lots
of
places
where
you
do
but,
and
the
thing
of
it
is
and
why
I
think
the
Commission
is
real
concerned
about
that
it
is
Seward.
It
is
watered
the
only
thing,
that's
putting
you
up
from
9000
square
foot
minimum
is
it's
not
curb
and
gutter
on
the
road
right.
L
A
K
J
I
think
the
mayor's
right,
a
property
that
has
an
easement
on
it
to
me-
has
a
diminished
value
because
it's
some
way
that's
tied
up
the
land
where
you
can't
use
it
and
then
there's
no
worry
about
confusion
with.
You
should
keep
up
this
much
of
the
road
or
you
should
do
that.
Much
of
the
road.
That
kind
of
a
thing
also
just
the
fact
that
a
30-foot,
easement
might
or
a
30-foot
leg
might
appear
on
this
lot.
Some
of
my
just
as
I
recall
and
I'm,
not
real
sure,
but
I.
Think
mr.
J
Abdulla
told
me
the
reason
he
said.
20
feet
was
because
there's
a
group
there's
some
trees
that
he
didn't
want
to
have
to
cut
out
and
he
he
wanted
to
keep
those
trees
on
that
residual
lot.
So
just
because
there
might
be
a
30-foot
leg
go
out,
there
doesn't
necessarily
mean
that
you're
going
to
have
a
22
foot
wide
road
going
in
and
out.
It
allows
for
the
potential
to
have
that
and
I
think
it's
a
good
consideration,
because
a
lot
of
times
these
easements
are
just
a
driveway,
essentially
you're,
going
to
your
house
you're.
J
Multiple
people
were
drawn
there
around
the
corner,
I
know
because
I
have
to
go
home
that
way
on
by
the
elementary
school.
There
are
people
that
are
actually
conducting
essentially
yard
sales
or
sales
out
of
their
storage
units
on
the
weekend,
so
they
get
quite
a.
They
can
get
quite
a
carnival
atmosphere
if
the
owner
does
not
have
some
restriction
on
how
you
use
those
units
and
there's
a
lot
of
traffic.
K
J
L
J
C
A
D
P
C
P
B
P
B
I
D
A
C
C
C
D
E
Able
to
do
about
it,
it's
not
gonna,
take
council
action.
That
seems
to
me
it's
similar
for
it
just
to
go
straight
to
council
yeah.