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Several
years
ago,
dave
stir
boys
purchased
a
portion
of
mr.
Malloy's
property
subdivided
into
four
Lots,
but
because
of
the
depth
of
the
original
parcel,
the
Lots
became
somewhat
narrow
and
deep
and
mr.
Stewart
boys
came
in
I'm.
An
aspirin
I
believe
was
for
variances
for
a
with
the
depth
ratio,
and
those
were
recommended
by
the
Planning
Commission
to
council
council
subsequently
approved
those
I'm
with
the
appellant
Mr
Gru's
er
wants
to
do
is
buy
the
last
of
that
property
from
mr.
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You
know
the
result.
If,
if
the
what
the
depth
ratio
is
recommended
by
Commission
passed
by
council,
Mr
Gru's
errs
intention
is
to
build
tube
homes
there.
One
is
under
construction
right
now,
because
you
can't
build
one
house
on
that
lot.
The
houses
will
comply
with
all
zoning
regulations.
Mr.
steriods
needed
a
recommendation
from
the
Planning
Commission
for
a
front
setback.
Variance
because
of
the
topography
at
the
site
that
was
granted
by
the
Zoning
Board
Mr
Gru's
er
doesn't
feel
that
he'll
need
any
variances
for
the
construction.
They'll
all
hook
up
the
city
utilities.
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Let
you
get
any
questions,
I
think!
That's
it.
What
what
he's
requesting
is
a
with
the
depth
ratio,
city,
subdivision
regulations,
say
the
depth
of
a
lot
can't
be
more
than
three
times
its
width,
and
this
is
not
much
over
I,
don't
say
it's
three
point:
five,
as
opposed
to
the
three
to
one
and
just
almost
an
exact
duplication
of
what
was
reviewed
for
mr.
Boies
several
years.
Yes,.
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Spoken
to
mr.
GRU,
sir,
about
if
there
might
be
a
necessity
or
recommendation
necessary
from
the
Commission,
as
you
gave
to
mr.
stir
boys,
but
he
he
doesn't
believe
right
now
that
he
has
any
problems
with
the
setback.
Variance
I,
provided
him
with
the
documents
that
showed
that
additional
seven
foot
strip-
and
we
had
that
discussion-
that
it
was
seven
feet
back,
was
where
the
property
line
was
from
the
paved
edge
of
Carroll,
Road
and
so
from
there.
You
have
to
go
back
25
and
be
32
feet
from
the
edge
of
the
pavement.
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The
main
thing
related
to
mr.
Garrett's
letter
is
the
storm
water
detention
I
mean
he
has
basically
looked
at
all
the
soils,
they
haven't
changed
and
the
cuts
are
closed.
What
he
hasn't
seen
before
is
a
an
enclosed
underground
storage
system.
He's
looked
at
above-ground
storage
in
ponds
he's
also
looked
at
a
below
ground
system
that
had
corporate-style,
there's
water
could
get
in
and
out
using
the
soil.
As
part
of
the
you
know,
the
retention
everyone
to
look
at
it,
but
he
is
never
he's,
never
seen
a
completely
enclosed
system.
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C
They
they
do
have
systems
where
we're
components
to
them
structural
components
where
they're
easy
to
clean.
You
don't
have
to
worry
about
debris,
getting
snagged
inside
of
them.
If
you
do
have
to
get
inside,
a
person
can
easily
access
them
now
it
would
be
a
confined
space
that
thing
and
if
city
workers
entered
it,
have
to
be
under
our
confined
space
requirements,
but
all
in
all
I'm.
Mr.
dowdy
believes
that
this
is
a
much
better
system
than
either
of
the
two
proposed
previously
abrupt
ground
pawns.
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You
essentially
just
have
a
big
dry
pond
with
a
fence
around
it
which
to
me,
is
almost
like
an
attractive
nuisance.
It
gets
grocery
bags
and
things
snagged
in
the
fence,
and
this
will
be.
Nobody
will
be
able
to
see
this
system
and
from
what
mr.
daddy
tells
me
to
hack
I'm,
given
half
his
presentation,
I
didn't
meet
him
well,.
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Of
my
concerns
about
of
this,
then
you've
got
a
capacity
and
it's
got
a
maximum
capacity
of
I
am
too,
and
most
of
our
things
are
devised
to
do
the
25
year,
storm
event
and
where
else,
if
you
have
a
higher
than
25
year,
storm
event:
where
does
the
water
goes
and
in
the
parking
lots
and
how
much
can
can
be
contained
in
at
one
point?
They
all
are.
There's
only
require
e
to
do.
X
all
I
know
how
the
system
works
so
that
we
have
more.
How
do
we
deal
with
it
exactly.
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And
that's
that
that's
one
of
the
components
when
you
figure
when
you
calculate
what's
called
a
critical
storm
and
the
critical
storm
is
the
number
on
which
the
retention
requirement
finds
its
baseline
and,
as
the
mayor
said,
normally
for
some
reason,
it
always
falls
into
a
25-year
of
that
is
what's
calculated
out.
It's
a
critical
storm
I'm,
not
sure
why
that
is,
but
that's
why
we
send
such
things
to
mr.
Garrett.
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Did
I
ever
tell
you
how
about
going
to
Youngstown
and
a
development
asking
the
woman
was
saying
how
nice
it
was.
She
was.
She
was
kind
of
on
the
bike
path
and
she
had
her
bike
that
will
go
on
and
we
went
in
to
look
at
these
houses
and
I
said
who
buys
these
houses
there's
no
work
here,
but
anyway
she
was
touting.
Then
she
said:
we've
actually
put
these
tiny
little
legs,
him
move
down
and
I
looked
at
my
thing,
I
said
those
are
your
water
retention
ponds.
Did
you
have
there's
nothing
like.
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She's
all
upset
with
me:
look
she
actually
every
one
of
the
houses.
I
said:
how
can
anybody
live
in
those
houses?
They
must
have
to
work.
First,
three
jobs.
She
says
I
live
in
it.
My
friend
dragged
me
away
after
this
keep
your
mouth
shut,
but
Dayton
they
were
touting
his
rule.
Things
like
at
40,
I'm,
like
okay.
We
have
no
other.
Unless
somebody
else
has
received
a
communication,
I
didn't
like
it
do
we
have
announcements
or
other
business.
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Okay,
do
you
want
to
speak
on
some
other
topic?
Well,
you're,
a
citizen.
You
would
you
like
to
speak
your
citizen,
okay
minutes,
January,
19th
and
February,
2nd.
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D
Explain
to
them
the
process
team
is
gonna,
be
with
me,
so
they
keep
me
on
the
straight
and
narrow
about
what
they've
got
this
concept,
that
really
what
they
have.
Is
this
big
play
in
unit
development
and
I'm,
saying
well
Planned
Unit
development
on
their
zoning
code,
so
you
can't
resolve
it
as
a
Planned,
Unit
development.
We
have
to
do
an
underline
zone
and
then
you
have
to
apply
for
a
Planned,
Unit
development
and
then
there's
the
other
issue
that
only
a
portion
of
the
state
under
25
acres
has
been
planted
into
subdivisions.
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Only
that
one
phase
one
we
had
and
then
they've
got
the
issue.
There
was
a
golf
course
there,
which
is
I,
don't
know
what
its
dimensions
or
if
they
want
to
leave
flap
that
so
there's
a
few
issues
there
that
Oh,
Steve
and
I
will
be
reviewing
with
them
and
I
just
wanted
you
to
be
aware,
we're
doing
that,
but
we
probably
need
to
get
started
on
this
if
they
can
get
their
information,
because
it's
they're
really
good
I
think
look
at
this
is
a
but
I,
don't
know
if
it
has
a
tax
implication.
D
If
they
look
at
this,
they
go
in
for
PUD
for
the
whole
thing
and
reason
it's
only
her
or
platting
will
soon
as
you
plant
it,
then
that
changed
this
tax
value
like
and
I
think
there
may
be
some
modifications
they
may
wish
to
it's
already
plotted.
They
don't
know
that
yet
I've
seen
different
concepts
and
designs
there
and
we
had
some
pretty
big,
precise
loss
to
me.
Maybe
that's
what
we
have
to
cover.
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C
Feeling
Planning
Commission
involvement
so
far
has
been
planning
of
a
commercial
subdivision
and
a
residential
subdivision.
There
were
11
Lots
in
the
commercial
up
close
to
682
things
about
60
residential
watts
with
the
annexation
petition.
As
soon
as
that's
forwarded
from
the
commissioners
to
the
clerk
of
Council
there's
a
notification
that
has
to
go
out
that
in
our
local
zoning
ordinance
it
says
newly
annexed
lands,
it
used
to
say
come
in
as
r1
now
it
says
you
come
in
and
request
a
zoning
designation.
C
So
that's
what
we're
going
to
review
tomorrow,
that's
the
annexation
being
the
first
issue
and
getting
that
accomplished
the
second,
the
zoning
designation,
the
third
Planned
Unit
development,
that's
a
whole
separate
process.
Pu
DS
are
described
as
permitted
uses
in
as
early
as
an
r1
zone.
So
it's
a
it's,
not
a
zone.
It's
a
permitted
use.
Then,
when
you
have
a
PUD
approved
the
ordinance
says
PUD.
C
Is
the
designation
noted
on
the
zoning
map,
so
it
essentially
functions
as
an
overlay
and
a
completely
separate
process,
and
as
the
mayor
mentioned,
the
fourth
thing
that
may
be
tracking
is
major
subdivision
because
they
will
want
to
parcel
off
some
lands.
So
there
we
have
four
different
things
running
and
some
are
going
to
go
very
quickly
and
some
probably
be
built
quite
quickly.
B
C
D
Those
are
not
even
planted
land,
yet
at
this
stage
either
see
this,
where
I
got
into
probably
going
to
do
some
more
planting
of
Hawaiian
phone
because
it
was
a
clubhouse
on
it
may
be
all
in
ownership.
But
I
don't
know
if
these
are
timeshares,
condos
but
they're,
not
on
public
roads
there's
if
they
were
tied,
shares
owned
by
the
auto
company.
That
has
the
owns
the
golf
course.
That's
one
thing,
because
then
there
is
multiple
structures
on
a
single
lot
and
we
have
to
deal
with
that.
D
So
it
depends
upon
how
they
I've
got
to
know
exactly
what
their
plan
is
well
defined
as
they
have
it
before.
Steve
and
I
can
make
any
decisions
with
regard
to
how
we're
going
to
approach
this,
it
may
be
multiple
that
will
blue
the
zoning
from
these
subdivisions,
probably
eud,
and
probably
leave
some
of
it
for
future
development,
because
I
think
he
wants
to
plan
it
out
the
whole
thing,
because
I
do
think
that
changes
your
text
status
from
Fargo
I
have
to
planted
residential.
C
Community
yeah,
once
you
put
that
first
structure
on
there,
remember
that's
what
Sol
and
bloom
found
when
they
did
Westfield,
where
they
wanted
to
do
a
PUD
to
begin
with
and
then
found
out,
they
would
have
to
pay
on
the
value
of
improved
land
for
the
total
acreage.
As
soon
as
one
building
was
constructed,
and
at
the
last
minute
it
turned
into
a
major
subdivision,
with
variances
for
zero
setback
and
brought
your
experiences
and
quite
a
few
other
things.
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The
way
the
PUD
regulations
are
written
now,
any
variance
recommended
by
the
Planning
Commission
has
to
be
approved
by
a
supermajority
of
Council,
the
3/4
vote
of
council
for
all
variances
and
another
thing
that
makes
it
a
little
more
complicated
too
is
now
the
PUD
regs
were
recently
rewritten
to
say
the
more.
The
most
restrictive
requirements
apply
either
PUD
or
zoning.
So
what
to
me
should
be
by
definition,
the
PUD
is
supposed
to
be
conducted
under
flexible
standards.
C
The
ordinance
is
written
to
require
the
strictest
standards,
so
there's
all
kinds
of
issues
to
be
sorted
out.
I
have
this,
so
you
know
it's.
The
mayor
and
I
have
talked
to
mr.
hunter
about
this
before
and
I
actually
put
the
writing
and
Senators
getting
to
sent
it
to
Gary
a
couple
days
ago
to
try
to
figure
out
how
to
reconcile
these.