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A
B
C
A
B
I
have
everybody's
attention.
We
were
sitting
here
talking
to
each
other
and
we
actually
have
to
start
our
meeting.
This
is
the
June
21st
2007,
regular,
scheduled
meeting
of
Athens
City,
Planning,
Commission
and
I'm.
Sorry,
if
they're
not
paying
attention,
I
can
never
be
a
TV
star,
as
I
say
no
attention
to
directions.
We
take
sworn
testimony.
We
do
have
a
quorum
present
with
three
members,
but
we,
if
you
plan
to
say
anything,
would
you
please
stand
and
raise
your
hand?
Do
you
affirm
that
what
you
say
will
be
the
truth.
A
B
A
Okay,
I'm
Mark's
Beza
century
21,
classic
golden
Athens
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
Rennes
le
I've,
been
here
two
or
three
times
previously,
I
think
we're.
Finally,
at
a
point
where
we
have
our
plat
complying
with
the
request
from
the
Planning
Commission,
we
have
an
approved,
curb
cut
on
lot
1
and
we
have
designated
a
50-foot
private
driveway
that
we'll
be
able
to
access
and
handle
the
other
four
Lots
lot.
Two
three
four
and
five.
C
Mr.
Ranas
Elliot
mr.
Spezza
and
I
have
gone
over
and
over
this
situation
out
here
because
of
the
location
of
the
proposed
curb
cuts
versus
the
existing
curb
cut
and
dealt
with
Drive
entrance,
and
what
we
arrived
at
is
a
feasible
solution,
not
the
ideal
solution,
because
there
are
properties
on
the
north
side
of
East
State
Street
that
also
are
entitled
to
curb
cuts.
C
So
what
they've
agreed
to
do
is
to
line
up
a
shared,
curb
cutting
on
the
north
side,
with
a
curb
cut
on
the
south
side.
They've
also
agreed
to
permit
access
to
the
adjoining
property
to
this
curb
cut
on
the
south
side,
so
basically
we're
trying
that
we're
creating
two
intersections
here
where,
ideally,
we
would
have
had
one,
but
then
we
would
have
had
come
back
later
and
put
curb
cuts
on
the
north.
D
C
A
B
C
A
B
C
A
I
might
add
that
we
do
have
in
fact,
I
didn't
think
I
was
going
to
make
this
meeting.
We
had
a
development
group
coming
in
to
look
at
the
property
today
they
postponed
it
today,
they'll
be
coming
in
next
week.
So
you
know
again,
depending
on
what
their
interest
is,
will
either
work
with
them
or
potentially
go
to
auction.
C
B
A
D
D
D
B
E
E
E
Said
well,
let's
just
bring
in
a
shared
driveway
here
pick
up
these
two
Lots
and
possibly
this
a
lot
five,
also
along
the
way
and
proceeded
that
way
and,
in
fact,
built
a
house
in
five
and
utilized
this
share
in
the
driveway.
In
the
efforts
of
selling
the
house,
we
got
extremely
resistant
to
this
concept
with
the
shared
driveway
and
we
thought
well.
This
will
be
fine.
This
will
be
opportunity
to
create
a
little
interaction
with
neighbors.
E
Like
that
particular
set
up,
both
of
these
lots
are
conforming
Lots.
They
have
more
than
adequate
I
think
each
has
about
a
hundred
and
forty
feet
of
road
frontage
and
in
the
process
of
building
lot
five
we
would
be
approval
of
the
Winkies
at
the
time
had
a
temporary
Road
through
lot
to
that.
We
use
as
a
service
in
construction
wrote
a
lot
of
time.
We
found
no
issue
at
all
with
traffic
or
viz,
or
anything
like
that.
It
actually
took
some
measurements
and
we're
surprised
to
find
that
we
had
150
feet.
E
So
we
then
asked
the
street
department
auntie
stones
group
to
take
a
look
at
that,
and
they
subsequently
have.
You
know,
looked
at
both
lot
to
and
lot
three
regarding
a
separate
drive
directly
from
North
Blackburn
into
them
and
don't
find
the
types
any
particular
issues.
I
think
they
would
like
a
little
more
trimming
of
some
Russian
shrubbery,
but
other
than
that,
finding
that
we
have
adequate
visibility.
E
So
that's
my
request.
You
know
that
we
are
able
to
approve.
You
know
really
an
amendment
to
the
final
plat.
It
would
delete
the
language
you
know
describing
this
as
a
shared
driveway
and
describing
responsibilities
for
maintenance
of
it
and
also
would
incorporate
in
a
deed
and
I
think
you
have
an
attachment
of
a
new
survey.
This
right-of-way
is
an
addition
to
this
parcel,
but
five
alert
five
would
become
larger.
It
would
have
a
standalone
driveway.
These
two
Lots
would
have
their
standalone
driveways
directly
off
of
North
by
three
questions.
I.
B
Took
I
was
out
there
at
times
to
do
a
program,
so
I
drove
up
in
there
and
it
is
hard
to
stay
on
it.
I
think
it's
hard
to
see
out
of
that
Larsen's
way
to
come
out
in
the
drive
down
there
really
good
it
is
I
mean
there
may
very
well
be
to
not
come
on
the
space
that
you
need,
but
it
is
a
little
a
little
tricky
up
there.
All
the
driveways
or.
B
B
I
can't
keep
my
weeds
cut
down
for
grass.
Well,
I
do
have
any
any
may
have
any
questions.
Anybody
wish
to
ask
any
questions,
no
questions.
One.
C
B
B
E
C
B
B
Need
to
know
just
exactly
what
City
Council
wants
done.
They
want
to
change
a
section
of
the
parking
requirement,
but
an
actual
fat
and
affect
it
would
change
quite
a
bit
of
B
to
D
and
B
to
and
of
course,
we
recommended
that
the
whole
street
becomes
one
zoning
district
for
the
fourth
time.
Is
it
for.
D
B
I'm,
just
not
quite
sure
what
they
they
go.
City
Council
has
always
turned
down
our
recommendation
to
have
this
the
area
the
same
I
as
long
as
I've,
been
on
the
Planning
Commission
I,
felt
that
there
others
will
give
and
take
care
on
both
sides,
but
that
it
doesn't
make
any
sense
to
have
somebody
in
a
business
district
on
one
side
of
the
street
doing
one
thing
and
somebody
on
the
other
side
doing
another
thing.
B
B
D
Currently,
the
district
has
no
distance
measurement
from
the
parking
garage
that
would
restrict
use
for
commercial
purposes
by
some
businesses.
Previous
editions
of
the
code
have
it
was
a
500-foot
radius
from
the
garage
back
in
in
in
those
times
the
properties,
everything
on
West
Union
Street
from
court
Street
to
Congress,
which
is
in
the
B
to
D
zone
Follett's,
bookstore
Baron's
men
job
little,
professor
lollipop
bw3.
D
They
were
greater
than
500
feet
away,
so,
even
though
they
were
in
the
B
to
D
district,
they
didn't
enjoy
that
privilege
of
using
the
parking
garage,
as
everyone
else
did
on
the
other
corner.
There
are
three
properties
we're
happy.
Kobe
is
the
sushi
place,
I
think
it's
called
Athens
market.
There's
a
little
market
there
and
used
to
be
o
hooli's.
It's
called
something
else
now.
If.
B
D
So
if
the
500-foot
radius
language
was
reinstituted,
those
places
then
would
become
legal
non-conforming
uses
for
the
parking
requirement
that
now
they
don't
have
to
have
because
of
the
way
the
language
is
as
you
sweep
to
the
north.
The
500-foot
radius
distance
doesn't
quite
make
it
to
the
state
court
intersection
so
in
other
words,
every
property.
Now
in
the
proposed
B
to
D
rezone
area
north
of
State
Street,
those
places
are
all
greater
than
500
feet
away.
D
The
Planning
Commission
has
considered
recommended
and
council
has
passed
a
reduction
in
height
in
the
B
to
D
zone,
which
I
think
is
kind
of
the
same
thing
it
was
in
between
when
you
last
Center
and
rezone
proposal
to
council.
There's
been
that
in
the
interim
and
essentially
we're
in
the
same.
This
is
repeat
of
that
same
process.
B
Except
that
the
height
is
not
I,
don't
think
nearly
I
could
never
understand
what
they
everybody,
but
that
was
a
problem.
The
heights
to
me
isn't
never
been
a
problem.
Parking
is
a
lot
different.
I
think
you
start
talking
about
parking.
I
mean
how
many
people
in
this
zone
here
were
really
affected
by
that
high
Heights,
were
they
all
going
to
run
out
and
add
six
storeys
to
their
building?
I?
Don't
think
so.
B
Were
they
what
we
call
the
uptown
historic
district
and
we
covered
what
everything
that
was
within
those
boundaries
which
left
out
things
on
Congress
Street
and
some
things
on
College
Street,
but
it
did
take
the
side
to
the
side
streets
and
it
did
take
the
Main
Street
the
whole
way
that
that
would
be
the
boundary
for
the
whole
thing.
I
bet
that
was
in
our
mind
at
the
time,
although
it
wasn't
being
resumed
in
the
middle
there,
but
I
I,
don't
know
I
just
the.
D
B
I
I
my
feeling
on
this
in
there
Chris
I
just
got
it
now,
and
we
don't
have
everybody
here
and
I.
Don't
know
whether
what
anybody
wants
to
do,
but
I
have
always
felt
that
we
have
to
treat
that
whole
area
up
there.
The
same
way
and
I,
don't
I.
Just
don't
think
that
we
should
put
this
back
in.
We
took
it
out
for
a
good
reason,
I
think
I
I
think
it
certainly
is
unfair
that
people
here
can
use
it.
B
B
C
B
C
C
D
Be
grandfathered
legal
non-conforming
use
right,
so
that's
one
thing:
those
property
owners
will
have
diminished
property
rights
for
use.
They'll
also
have
diminished
property
rights
for
signage.
Although
wall
signs
in
the
B
to
D
area
can
be
larger.
Forty
percent
of
a
wall
area,
as
opposed
to
thirty
percent
in
the
b3
projecting
signs,
are
reduced
in
possible
total
square
footage
from
fifty
square
feet
to
eight
square
feet.
That's
why
you
see
South
estate
street,
the
smaller
projecting
signs
and
then
north
estate
street.
D
You
see
the
larger
signs,
for
example,
a
premiere
video
Steven,
some
of
those
places
up
there
have
fairly
large
projecting
signs
and
then
just
right
across
the
street
and
B
to
D.
The
signs
are
very
small,
so
those
are
two
big
things
you
have
fewer
uses
and
you
have
more
limitation
on
your
signage,
at
least
on
projecting
signage.
D
B
D
So
if
that
is
the
total
of
eating
and
drinking
establishments,
and
they
will
become
legal
non-conforming
uses
because
they
will
be
closer
than
100
feet
to
any
residential
zone
in
the
B
3
district,
the
regulations
say
you
have
to
be
at
least
200
feet
from
any
r1
or
r2,
and
that's
why
Barone's
was
permitted
in
the
B
3
district,
because
they
were
more
than
200
feet
away,
just
barely,
but
they
were
more
than
200
feet
away
from
an
r1
or
r2.
So
our
3
isn't
included
in
the
separation
requirement
in
a
B
3.
D
D
Diminished
use
you
may
have
of
existing
uses
of
property
in
that
upper
end
of
the
street.
Non-Conforming
uses
are
regulated
as
2
cost
of
improvements
that
can
have
in
case
of
fire
damage
or
for
some
reason
or
other
the
building
has
to
be
repaired
or
altered,
you're
limited
to
65%
of
the
value
of
the
building
for
restoration
or
reconstruction
or
remodeling
purposes.
D
B
B
D
Way
the
codes
are
written.
There
are
three
different
ways
to
amend
the
zoning
code.
A
change
can
be
instituted
by
a
an
individual
who's,
a
property
owner.
It
can
be
instituted.
A
recommendation
for
change
by
the
Planning,
Commission
or
City
Council
can
request
a
change.
The
process
starts
with
the
Planning
Commission
I'm
an
advertisement
for
public
hearing
to
consider
what
your
recommendation
to
Council
might
be
so
I.
Well.
B
D
B
B
B
D
D
D
B
B
That
would
give
plenty
of
time
to
do
it
every
second
yeah.
Okay,
do
we
have?
Yes,
we
have
another
communication
here.
The
lady
from
the
citizens
bank
wants
to
know
about
the
electronic
sign.
I
thought
we
decided
that
we
we
didn't
want
to
take
it
piecemeal,
that
we
wanted
to
have
one
big
fell
swoop
thing,
but
they
want
to
know
whether
they
can
change
what
they're
doing
I
think
with
their
sign
right,
because
we
have
them
only.
We
set
requirements
on
them
for
their
sign.
Yeah.
A
D
I've
been
receiving
numerous
phone
calls
from
the
representative
Citizens
Bank,
who
had
attended
several
Planning
Commission
meetings
over
the
last
several
months
related
to
electronic
changeable
copy
signs.
I've
not
returned
her
call
because
I'm
not
sure
what
to
tell
her
and
I'm.
Just
you
know:
I'm
I,
don't
know
if
I'm
making
too
big
of
an
assumption,
but
I'm
pretty
sure
she
wants
to
know
the.
D
Have
things
like
for
rent
signs?
We
have
political
signs.
We
have
big
balloon
signs,
there's
a
lot
of
different
issues
with
signage
that
are
going
on,
and
it
appeared
that
it
may
be
a
good
time
to
look
at
the
sign
ordinance
in
its
entire.
Do
you
know
we're
to
have
a
comprehensive
review
of
the
whole
thing,
so
I
just
need
to
know
for
sure
that
that's
the
Commission
is
not
going
to
recommend
any
changes
for
elect
for
changeable
copy
signs,
but
it
will
be
part
of
it
that.
D
B
D
B
B
D
Have
just
in
the
last
couple
days
received
a
request
to
for
a
minor
subdivision,
it's
basically
at
the
intersection
of
Canterbury
and
Richland
Avenue
right
across
from
sandy
there's.
A
little
bridge
that
goes
across
cuts
run
right
there
and
there
are
three
houses,
two
cabins
and
then
a
house
that
kind
of
sits
right
along
cuts
run
right
there.
The
owners
of
the
property
have
given
me
an
application
for
a
minor
lot
split.
D
They
have
attached
a
letter
describing
what
it
is
exactly
that
they
want
to
do
and
they
attached
a
couple
maps
to
one
that
showed
what
they
propose
to
do,
hopefully,
for
a
little
more
clarity,
the
last
two
pages
I
just
did
this
up.
It
was
straight
the
lots
that
exist
right
there
there
for
right
now.
D
So
there
are
four
lots
there
right
now
and
then
the
what
they
propose
to
do
is
turn
them
into
three
Lots.
What
this
will
do
is
it
will
diminish
the
number
of
Lots
from
four
to
three.
It
will
create
conforming
setbacks
for
all
the
buildings.
There's
actually
a
building
encroachment
on
one
lot
now
from
another
lot,
so
this
will
straighten
up
property
lines
to
make
them
more
consistent
with
the
zoning
code.
D
D
D
The
properties
I
said
that
I
would
find
out
if
this
was
simply
a
minor
subdivision,
which
was
a
transfer
to
adjoining
property
owners,
not
creating
any
new
building
site
or
if
the
modifications
of
the
lines
created
the
necessity
than
to
grant
a
variance
the
variance
for
an
easement
as
opposed
to
road
frontage.
For
that
lot,
that's
already
landlocked
in
the
one
case,
if
it
doesn't
doesn't
need
a
variance
if
it's
just
simply
a
split
and
transfer
to
joining
property
owner,
then
that
can
be
processed
fairly
quickly.
D
D
So
that's
the
question
one
way
or
the
other,
this
Wenberg
and
mr.
Fowler
just
need
to
know.
Are
they
going
to
have
to
go
through
a
request
for
a
variance
for
frontage
on
a
street,
or
is
this
just
simply
going
to
be
permitted
as
a
transfer
to
joining
property
owners?
I?
Don't
necessarily
need
to
have
you
make
a
decision
today.
B
D
All
you
might
want
to
you
might
want
to
think
about
it
for
a
little
while,
if
you
do
it,
this
way
might
have
set
any
precedent
you
know.
Is
it
really
is
this
an
opportunity
to
get
something
fixed
via
a
variance,
or
is
it
something
that's
really
not
broken?
It
just
happens
to
exist
already
in
legal
access
to
that
landlocked
property
does
exist
right
now,.
D
B
A
D
B
Called
it
we
had
it,
there
was
a
club
for
women
who
were
phys
ed
majors,
and
that
was
their
cabin
up
there
and
there
was
a
log
cabin.
They
used
that
for
meetings
and
things,
and
they
would
have
workshops
and
things,
and
then
my
sorority
sister
lived
on
the
other
one.
That
was
a
really
nice
one
that
they
lived
in
for
many
many
years.
B
C
B
B
D
C
B
B
C
B
B
C
D
Soils
are
very
slip
prone
on
that
on
that
hillside,
adjacent
to
Richland,
Avenue
and
crossing
of
a
special
flood
hazard
area,
particularly
a
flood
way,
can
be
challenging
some
of
the
engineering
work
that
might
have
to
be
accomplished.
So
that
might
be
an
another
one
of
the
reasons
why
the
property
wasn't
marketable
as
commercial
property
I.
C
B
B
D
B
C
B
B
B
B
A
A
B
All
right
now
you're
stepping
down
again
I'm
coming
back
in
your
special
if
I'm
going
to
know
yes,
you
know
if
you
are
going
to,
and
there
have
been
cases
on
this
hearing
these
hearings,
we
have
that
you
really
must
follow
Robert's
Rules
word.
That
means
you
always
have
to
follow.
Robert's
Rules
of
Order.
You
can't
decide
I'm
only
gonna
do
it
when
it
helps
me
to
stop
something
going
on
here.
That
I,
don't
like
or
some
I
have
to
use
it
on
everything.
So
that's.