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A
A
B
Afternoon
this
is
the
rescheduled
meeting
of
the
Gotham
City
Planning
Commission.
However,
we're
if
this
is
a
two
o'clock
meeting
at
which
we
are
having
public
hearings
on
three
different
areas,
there
isn't
a
requirement
for
a
quorum
at
a
public
hearing,
it's
just
an
information
gathering
session.
There
are
three
members
of
board
here
and
I
assume
the
other
three
will
come.
B
C
And
Harold
Patterson
Athens
City
Council
and
Athens
Municipal
Arts
Commission
in
November.
The
City
Council
had
an
ordinance
before
them
to
change
the
wording
of
the
acceptance
of
murals
and
then
realized
I
realized
that
it
required
a
hearing,
and
so
the
ordinance
is
currently
tabled.
The
wording
that
the
council
prefers
is
in
number
six
in
that
section:
23:03
13
murals
painted
wall
murals
or
other
similar
artwork
on
public
property,
if
recommended
by
the
Municipal
Arts
Commission
and
approved
by
the
City
Council.
C
This
is
not
meant
to
be
a
final
resolution
to
this
whole
question
of
murals.
It
is
something
that
we
can
do
until
there's
more
time
to
really
go
into
this
issue.
Deeper
I
will
tell
you
that
the
Arts
Commission
is
actively
working
on
it,
researching
other
communities.
So
far
we
found
most
communities
say
we
don't
want
regulations
on
murals.
We
don't
want
to
go
there,
but
we
do
want
to
go
there.
C
We
want
to
find
a
positive
way
to
approach
this,
and
the
Arts
Commission
has
also
developed
a
policy
for
what
they're
part
of
a
recommendation
would
contain
and
how
some
individual
or
group
would
apply
to
the
Arts
Commission
for
approval
of
a
project
than
the
Arts
Commission
would
appoint
a
three-person
committee
to
review
it.
The
committee
gives
the
recommendation
to
the
Arts
Commission.
The
Arts
Commission
would
then
recommend
to
City
Council.
So
that
is
the
procedure
that
we're
looking
to
adopt
immediately
and
then
continue
to
study
this
issue.
B
Okay,
all
right,
that's
the
end
of
the
public
hearing
on
murals
and
everybody
had
their
chance
and
they
didn't
miss
all
right.
The
next
one
concerns
the
Athens
City
Code,
section,
23
tbsp
of
water
to
change
the
current
height
limitation
of
75
feet
are
six
storeys
and
a
beach
these
onto
50
feet
four
stories.
B
B
D
A
D
D
I
just
noted
38
South
Court
streets
for
stories.
That's
in
the
B
to
D
district
8,
North
Court
is
in
the
B
to
D
it's
five
stories.
27
North
Court
is
in
the
B
to
D
it's
five
stories:
35
South
Congress,
which
is
owned
by
the
Ohio
University
Bromley
Hall
he's
it's
11
stories,
84
North
Court,
which
is
in
the
B
3
district,
was
four
stories
85
North
Court,
which
is
four
stories.
D
D
Believe
part
of
the
discussions
who
involves
recommendations
of
the
yet
to
be
adopted,
comprehensive
plan
for
building
heights-
this
is
what's
recommended
to
be
considered,
is
enough.
Lowering
that
from
75
feet,
six
storeys
down
to
50
feet.
Four
stories
is
consistent
with
the
the
to
draft
comprehensive
plans.
B
D
Don't
have
a
copy
of
the
zoning
code
right
here
with
me,
but
there
is
a
section
concerning
non-conforming
uses
and
buildings
and
the
amount
of
repairs
or
extent
of
repairs
as
a
result
of
damage
and
I.
Believe
the
section
says
that
up
to
60%
of
the
auditors,
true
value,
you
can
do
that
much
repair,
but
if
the
damage
is
greater
than
60%,
then
essentially
you
lost
your
nonconformity.
D
You
have
to
comply,
or
there
is
recourse
then
to
to
go
to
the
Board
of
Zoning
Appeals
and
ask
for
variance
to
reconstruct
when
you
have
damage
greater
than
60%
different
communities
handle
it
differently.
There
are
some
communities
that,
if
you
just
if
you
have
destruction
of
some
type
fire
flood
disasters,
something
like
that
happens,
you
can
exactly
restore
give
you
a
hundred
percent,
but
local
regulations
in
the
city
of
Athens
only
allow
non-conforming
buildings
to
be
repaired
after
damage
up
to,
but
not
exceeding
60
percent
of
their
value.
B
G
The
Richter
converse
companies
with
me,
Ryan
Pearson,
from
the
edge
group
or
land
planner
and
Chris
Rhodes
from
office.
Since
our
last
meeting
I
wanted
to
tell
you
that
we
have
met
with
the
Athens
consultants
for
civil
engineering
services
Burgess
in
Maple,
we
submitted
our
concept
and
plans
that
are
nearly
complete
for
this
layout,
including
storm
sewer
analysis,
soils,
storm
sanitary
and
then
water.
We
had
a
fairly
detailed
discussion
about
runoff
storm
sewer
calculations,
flood
retention,
our
proposed
crossing
over
coach
run
and
discussed
the
parameters
from
which
we
would
design
the
site.
G
We
are
in
compliance
with
the
ideas
that
Burgess
and
I
both
uses.
So
that's
a
very
important
component
for
us.
Also,
we
discussed
in
detail
the
soil
investigation,
which
we've
done
want
to
tell
you
that
we
have
conducted
over
75
borings.
We
have
several
of
them
that
are
deep
depth
borings
to
below
the
footing,
depth
of
our
proposal
and
the
rock
formations
that
the
buildings
are
placed
upon
are
very
stable.
G
The
soil
engineer
with
Burgess
tonight
was
very
very
familiar
with
workers
who
have
been
conducted
down
here,
including
the
highway
development,
and
we
discussed
things
that
have
happened
and
other
projects
relative
to
where
we
are.
We
have
cross
sections
down
through
the
the
the
hillside
to
show
a
proposed
and
existing
and
how
we
would
contour
the
ground.
So
we
had
a
very
detailed
conversation
and
felt
comfortable
that
the
design
that
we
have
will
meet
the
stability
requirements
for
the
for
the
area.
G
On
that
we
do
have
some
information
that
the
mayor
tasked
us
last
meeting
about
parking.
We
have
a
request
for
a
parking
variance
at
that
point:
eight
five
spaces
per
bedroom.
We
do
have
some
information
regarding
our
projects
that
we
own
and
manage
that
operate
it
below
that.
We
have
a
couple
projects
around
0.75
and
point
seven
six
parking
spaces
and
the
analysis
that
we
have
there.
Those
projects
do
function
and
we're
satisfied
with
that.
So
therein
have
lots
more
information
as
usual,
but
that's
the
context
of
the
update
from
from
the
last
meeting.
B
B
B
E
It's
nozzoli
fifteen
old
coach
Road
I'd
like
to
thank
the
Planning
Commission
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
today
and
also
like
to
thank
mr.
Kirk
mr.
Rhodes
for
talking
with
the
neighborhood
groups
and
providing
planning
and
design
documents
for
us
to
view,
and
also
like
to
thank
them
for
encouraging
us
to
view
the
other
developments
in
the
Columbus
area.
I
have
gone
off
to
see.
One
of
them
I
think,
there's
the
impression
that
we've
attended
the
Coates
run
meetings,
because
we
want
to
stop
the
development
on
Richland
Avenue,
but
it's
not
just
about
the
summit.
E
It
Coates
run.
We
volunteer,
as
you
all,
also
do
with
the
city
comprehensive
plan,
the
county
land
use
plan,
wellhead
protection
plan,
Conservancy
the
tree
Commission,
the
Historical
Society,
and
our
presence
here
is
because
we
deeply
care
about
our
community
just
as
much
as
each
of
you
care
by
your
service
on
the
commission.
E
This
is
about
a
vision
for
the
community
for
those
who
will
be
citizens
of
Athens
long
after
we're
gone
I'm
here
today
to
present
three
concerns
that
I
have
about
the
complex
one,
how
it
complies
with
city
code,
two,
how
it
relates
to
the
Comprehensive,
Plan
and
three,
a
construction
concern
about
city
code
at
the
December
2006
meeting
the
Southside
community
association
members
know
that
they're
not
opposed.
They
are
not
opposed
to
the
development
of
the
hillside
if
it
follows
city
code
and
preserves
the
shape
and
contour
of
the
hillside.
I
personally
support
this
statement.
E
I
also
support
the
concept
of
providing
safe
and
attractive
student
housing
and
would
not
oppose
development
of
a
summit
at
Coates
run
if
I
thought.
The
current
plan
for
eight
hundred
and
seventy
eight
beds
would
do
that,
but
I
do
not
think
the
present
plan
that
calls
for
the
removal
of
approximately
the
top
thirty
feet
of
the
hillside
and
the
moving
of
over
three
hundred
thousand
cubic
yards
of
dirt
can
preserve
the
shape
and
contour
of
the
hillside.
E
If
it
cannot
assure
this
preservation
of
the
shape
and
contour
the
hillside,
then
it
doesn't
comply
with
the
established
city
code
as
it
relates
to
the
comprehensive
plan
at
a
public
meeting
at
which
I'm
sure
all
of
you
are
present
to
review
the
current
city
comprehensive
plan.
One
of
the
most
often
identified
concerns
by
the
citizens
was
that
the
plan
be
a
tool
for
the
city
to
preserve
our
vistas
in
viewsheds.
I.
E
E
The
retaining
wall
facing
Quarry
Lake
Road
was
collapsing
from
the
weight
of
the
dirt
from
the
railroad
and
banquet
embankment.
Could
we
encounter
the
same
problem
with
the
retaining
walls
that
are
currently
still
planned
for
the
development
at
coates
run
I.
Thank
you
once
again
for
your
time
and
urge
you
to
consider
granting
final
and
urge
you
to
consider
not
granting
final
approval
to
the
current
plan
that
tries
to
put
eight
hundred
and
seventy
eight
beds
on
one
of
our
hillsides.
Thank
you.
H
That's
the
Uriel,
groom
and
I'm
sort
of
representing
the
Southside
community
association,
at
least
part
of
it,
because
of
an
attempt
we
made
to
get
information
from
other
people
regarding
how
they
felt
about
this
project.
We
did
this
for
ourselves
as
well,
because
we
wanted
to
know
how
people
felt,
as
well
as
to
give
information
to
the
Planning
Commission
and
the
City
Council.
H
Well,
that's
what
I'm
going
to
say,
plus
the
comments
that
we
received
in
a
very
short
time
frame.
Basically,
since
the
end
of
the
holiday
season,
some
members
of
the
Southside
Community
Association
Executive
Committee
attempted
to
gather
comments
for
math
and
citizens,
especially
residents
of
the
Southside
about
the
proposed
summit
of
coats,
run
development
and
also
the
proposed
agreement
with
the
city
that
the
City
Council
is
to
vote
on
her
voted
against
on
Monday.
We
asked
for
comments
for
or
against,
or
whether
people
didn't
know
enough
to
comment
or
just
didn't
care.
H
We
reached
about
350
people,
approximately
300
of
them
in
the
Southside.
With
a
flyer,
we
don't
know
how
many
of
them
actually
read
it.
That
was
it
was
it
was
too
wordy,
but
and
and
still
wasn't,
didn't
end
up
being
clear
enough
to
explain
the
complexities
of
the
situation
we
directed
people
to
our
website
where
we
posted
the
benefits
of
the
summit.
This
was
the
direct
wording
from
the
Edwards
group
final
development
plan.
H
They
listed
about
two
pages
of
benefits
to
the
city
and
then,
with
the
problems
of
the
summit
that
we
had
compiled
several
months
ago.
The
two
2006
Southside
executive
committee
compiled
those
about
several
months
ago.
We
received
only
19
comments
which
represented
23
people.
One
comment
was
opened
more
to
learn.
Two
was
open
to
learning
more
about
the
proposed
development,
but
opposed
to
moving
ahead
until
several
issues
were
settled.
H
H
To
make
the
commenting
process
as
anonymous
as
possible,
once
the
statistics
of
residency
were
compiled,
the
names
of
the
respondents
were
deleted
and
only
their
statements
were
saved.
So
you
have
a
copy
of
the
statements,
but
no
names
and
then
finally,
the
reasons
that
they
gave
for
being
against
the
development
traffic
13
times
was
mentioned.
H
Hilltop
removal
was
mentioned
nine
times,
runoff
and
flooding
eight
times
general
environmental
issues
in
the
ambience
of
the
area,
seven
times
infrastructure
in
cost
to
taxpayers,
seven
times
that
the
Thal
thing
wasn't
needed,
and
it
was
too
many
students,
four
times
trees,
four
times
Beauty
three
times
the
scale
of
the
development
being
far
too
large
for
the
area.
One
time
the
effect
on
the
residents
of
Greenbrier
one
time,
the
loss
of
the
mounds
once
and
the
financial
impact
on
other
landlords.
Once.
H
I
feel
that
the
big
picture
hasn't
really
been
looked
at
enough
here.
If
we
look
at
these
developments
in
terms
of
looking
at
the
snortin
orders,
looking
at
the
water
pipes,
the
the
water
supply
that
we're
not
really
considering
the
overall
impact
on
the
city
and
all
of
these
negatives
are
part
of
the
overall
impact
that,
as
offered
the
development,
is
too
large
for
the
site.
H
It
is
going
to
destroy
the
ambiance
just
as
badly,
even
though
the
buildings
may
look
a
lot
nicer
than
University
courtyard,
they
are
still
levelling
the
hill
and
they
are
destroying
what
is
unique
to
Athens
and
in
addition
to
that,
the
costs
of
residential
development
to
a
city
are
always
exceed
the
amount
of
money
that's
brought
in.
So
therefore,
the
citizens
are
going
to
have
to
pay
for
this
in
some
way.
Oh.
H
B
C
A
B
B
B
B
B
It's
you're
not
here
before
when
I
took
head
to
people,
but
firm
is
there
we
tell
the
truth
and
you
want
to
say
anything.
Please
stand
raise
your
hand
if
you
haven't
been
sworn
in
and
you
want
to
say
something
which
you
want
to
you
affirm
that
any
statements
you
make
will
be
the
truth.
Thank
you.
We
have
a
quorum
present
there.
Four
members
mayor
Abel,
is
not
here
right
at
the
moment.
I
expect
them,
but
any
time
here
we
have
a
quorum.
I
gave
the
O's
the
cases.
B
D
B
D
A
D
B
Thank
you
we'll
put
this
in
that
file,
so
when
it
comes
up
again,
we'll
have
the
information
from
her
I
just
came
this
afternoon
didn't
know.
The
first
case
is
zero.
Seven
zero
one
marc
weiner,
a
lot
split,
with
a
variance
who
one
of
these
things
I
couldn't
tell
her.
This
was
you
know
these
as
I
said,
I.
B
D
D
B
D
And
then
there's
a
sunset
goes
back
into
a
subdivision:
there's
an
existing
single-family
residential
house
right
there
too,
and
then
essentially
an
open
field.
It's
a
large!
This
looks
like
a
large
swale
just
about
right
across
from
where
the
bottled
gas
plant
is
and
Buffy
Brothers,
which
used
to
be
landmark.
It's
really
kind
of
across
the
street
from
that.
So
it's
very,
very
close
to
the
intersection
of
682
and
Route
33.
That.
D
B
D
One
lot
would
be
30,000.
Approximately
30,000
square
feet
would
front
on
sunset.
Another
lot
proposed
at
around
28,000
square
feet,
which
would
also
include
the
existing
home.
That's
there
would
essentially
be
on
the
corner
of
sunset
and
682,
and
then
the
lot
and
then
with
the
depth
ratio,
is
fine
on
them.
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D
I'd
asked
mr.
Weiner
to
contact
rich
castle
or
Athens
the
battens
County
Water
and
Sewer
District,
the
plains,
Water
and
Sewer.
District.
Excuse
me
about
sewer
and
water
availability,
and
also
to
check
with
the
Ohio
Department
of
Transportation
to
see
if
they
would
permit
access
on
the
state
route.
682.
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B
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E
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D
There's
not
been
an
actual
survey
conducted.
These
are
all
just
proposals,
rather
than
go
the
expense
of
having
a
survey
without
knowing
if
a
variance
could
be
granted.
These
are
all
just
estimates.
D
Yeah
I
haven't
I
have
no
idea
where
the
proposed
lot
line
is
off
the
side
of
the
existing
house.
There
are
no
set
back
regulations
outside
the
city,
except
in
platted
subdivisions.
When
those
come
through
there.
There
are
fronts
and
rears
and
utility
easements
on
the
side,
but
any
construction
in
the
plains.
D
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Think
to
the
best
of
my
understanding,
though,
the
proposed
property
line
would
be
quite
a
distance
away
from
the
existing
house
city
code
requirements
are
for
at
least
eight
feet
on
one
side
of
a
building
on
lots
that
are
less
than
66
feet
in
width.
You
can
go
down
to
10%
a
lot
with,
but
in
no
case
less
than
four
feet.
That's
in
the
city,
so
a
verification,
it
would
be
eight
feet
or
more
off.
Would
it
be
eight
feet
or
more
off
the
line.
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B
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D
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There
is
a
recorded
easement,
though,
to
access
the
property
across
an
adjacent
property,
currently
over
five
acres,
an
area
only
having
forty
point
five
five
feet
of
road
frontage,
so
I
have
no
idea
how
one
was
landlocked
without
a
variance
without
road
frontage
and
how
the
other
was
recorded
with
road
frontage
less
than
fifty
feet,
but
in
any
case
they
are
existing
recorded,
taxed
parcels
of
land.
I
received
a
call
from
Gehrig
and
Gehrig
attorneys,
who
were
attempting
to
record
proposed
splittin
transfer,
but
no
approval
had
ever
been
gained
from
the
city.
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D
There
was,
I
just
present
the
information,
the
law
director,
and
he
said
the
Planning
Commission
should
review
it
I.
This
is
just
my
own
opinion.
I
think
this
is
a
good
time,
for
example,
to
create
a
variance
for
forty
point:
five
five
feet
of
road
frontage
in
lieu
of
now
that's
going
under
five
acres,
the
ninety
that's
required
to
that
be
one
variance.
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They
do
have
to
sign
off
on
any
proposal,
even
if
it's
a
minor
subdivision
transferred
adjoining
property
owner,
not
creating
a
new
building
site,
because
what
they
want
to
look
at
is
the
condition
of
existing
systems.
Does
this
transfer
property
actually
diminish
runoff
area
that
existing
systems
might
need?
Does
it
compromise
existing
systems
and
their
potential
to
run
off
onto
neighbors
in
any
way
so
yeah
Health
Department
have
to
sign
off
on
that,
just
like
in
the
case
of
mr.
Wayne
or
two
I'll
need
some
sign-off
from
which
cast
lured
that
cleans
water
and
sewer?
J
D
Not
sure
why
there
were,
there
were
quite
a
few
different
series
of
emails
and
telephone
calls
between
myself,
Gehrig
and
Gehrig
and
Miz
all
ball.
I'm,
not
sure
why
there's
not
someone
here
to
speak
to
it?
If
you
saw
a
lot
of
the
memo
at
the
top
I
copied
her
on
it
and
it
does
identify
the
date
the
time
in
the
place
of
the
meeting.
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B
A
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A
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Actually,
almost
double
its
size
from
a
half
an
anchor
to
around
an
acre
and
probably
would
not
diminish
the
ability
or
the
soil
capacity
of
the
larger
properties
you
they
were
top.
It
wouldn't
compromise
its
functioning,
but
I
haven't
heard
anything
from
Mike
I.
Think
as
a
matter
of
fact,
if
you
look
in
my
memo
to.
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Inform
us
of
all
that
I
believed
in
any
case
that
approval
from
the
at
the
City
County
Health
Department,
was
also
necessary.
I
told
her
to
contact
mr.
Mike
coop,
the
health
department
that
he
was
aware
of
the
situation.
I
recommended
the
statement
concerning
the
situation
he
appeared
in
the
health
department.
So
don't
have
that
yet,
but
it's
a
prerequisite
for
any
split.
D
Yeah
going
through
with
all
this
there's
an
Asst,
an
assumption
of
the
Health
Department
will
be
able
to
sign
off
on
it.
Even
if
I
receive
a
request
of
my
office
for
things
that
don't
need
with
the
deputy,
you
know,
don't
need
any
variances
if
the
Health
Department
doesn't
approve
it,
it
doesn't
happen.
We've
had
several
instances
of
that
recently,
because
the
health
regulations
are
little
say,
stiffer
there's
a
lot
more
scrutiny
about
sewage
disposal.
Now,
especially
water
table,
depth,
depth
the
water
table.
D
Depth
of
soil
is
able
to
percolate
because
all
the
clays
in
the
area,
the
amount
of
coverage
I
believe
on
piping
and
leech
fields,
has
been
increased,
with
two
feet
to
three
feet
of
coverage
and
a
lot
of
places
in
this
area.
It's
hard
to
get
three
feet
of
good,
workable
soil,
so
the
Health
Department
there's
a
lot
more
scrutiny
now
than
there
used
to
be.
In
times
past.
The
health
department's
required
some
properties
to
be
seven
eight
acres
in
area
before
they
would
approve
them.
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J
D
There's
always
a
comfort
level
that
everybody
needs
to
have
when
you
recommendation
contingent
upon
something
else
which
may
be
contingent
upon
something
else
on
container.
So
this
depends
on
what
kind
of
comfort
level
you
have,
although
I
can
tell
you
that,
if
even
if
it
was
recommended
for
those
two
variances
landlocked
with
an
easement
and
only
forty
point,
five
five
feet
of
road
frontage
for
the
other
lot,
and
even
if
council
approved
that
without
the
Health
Department
sign-off,
it
would
wouldn't
have
any
effect.
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B
B
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F
D
D
D
Do
we
proceed
with
the
public
hearing
and
schedule
that
has
to
be
advertised
30
days
in
advance,
so
it'd
be
five
six
weeks
away
before
the
public
hearing
could
even
be
held,
but
it's
an
optional
something
optional
for
the
Planning
Commission.
You
have
to
make
a
decision
within
60
days
of
the
application.
If
there
is
no
public
hearing
within
90
days,
if
you
determine
the
public
here
appropriate.
A
D
B
B
A
B
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D
D
A
A
B
A
D
You
look
on
what's
identified
through
41,
it
says
zoning
districts
applied
to
property
along
the
states.
Reporter
is
an
unusual
mix
of
classifications
relative
to
existing
land
uses
on
the
south
side
of
the
State
Street
muscle
and
is
used
for
commercial
purposes.
Yet
the
whole
length
of
the
quarter
from
the
community
center
eastward
is
zoned
M
or
in
desert.
Since
the
list
of
permitted
uses
in
the
end
zone
in
district
includes
commercial
uses
allowed
and
III
the
existing
in
a
recent
commercial
development
along
the
south
side
of
the.
D
D
A
D
D
A
b3
zone
you
can
build
right
up
to
the
front
property
line.
You
only
have
to
stay
10
feet
away
from
your
neighbor
in
the
rear.
In
this
case
city
of
Athens.
Like
that
and
on
the
side,
you
only
have
to
stay
10
feet
away
in
a
manufacturing
zone.
You
have
to
stay
25
feet
back
in
the
front.
You
have
to
stay
at
least
30
feet
away
in
the
rear
and
that
30
feet
increases
as
a
function
of
the
height
of
the
building.
So.
D
I
D
It's
zoned
be
free,
you
only
remove
approximately
10
feet,
and
so
you
have
75
in
any
case
whatever's
developed.
There
will
have
to
be
close
to
the
existing
developments
that
could
be
existing
in
the
restroom.
The
area
as
it
pinches
down
toward
the
bike
path
could
only
be
used
for
parking
possibly,
but
you
can
see
really
tapers
down
hard.