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A
B
B
C
And
today
we
had
a
meeting
with
Ray
and
four
of
his
staff
members
to
iron
out
some
of
the
issues
on
sanitary
and
water
and
the
roads
and
stuff.
Like
that,
we
had
a
good
meeting.
Some
good
points
were
brought
up
and
then
both
sides
have
some
follow-up
to
do.
On
that.
A
couple
of
questions
you
had
last
week,
I
double
check
to
make
sure
I.
Think
Mary.
You
raised
the
question
about
the
water
tower.
C
It
will
have
a
fence
around
it
and
that
fence
will
be
shown
as
well
as
the
road
over
to
the
main
road.
So
that
would
be
an
access
road
and
then
the
water
line
coming
up
is
just
an
easement
for
a
water
line
come
up
and
now
also
Altamont.
Drive
will
end
if
the
stuff,
as
it
comes
down
off
the
hill
and
it's
built
in
such
a
manner
that
it's
a
turnaround
that
it
will
be
then
converted
into
stone
or
stone
Ridge
coming
down
off
the
hill
at
a
later
date.
C
I've
talked
with
Steve
Pierce
from
the
couple
times
on
the
application
fees,
and
he
and
I
are
probably
got
one
meeting
to
finalize
that
on
the
the
amounts
for
the
application
fee.
I
plan
on
turning
that
in
on
the
26th,
which
is
next
Wednesday,
which
allow
is
your
deadline
to
meet
the
October
4th
meeting
and
I
still
like
to
try
to
keep
things
moving
to
meet
the
schedule
to
get
these
projects
through
so
I
guess.
C
Is
there
any
questions
that
any
of
you
have
since
the
last
meeting
that
I
can
take
back
to
my
engineers
to
make
sure
that
we
incorporated
I
did
fail
to
mention
last
Friday.
We
met
with
Burgess
and
Naples,
with
Bill
gar,
Garrett
and
Vince
Amato
and
showed
them
all
the
plans
and
I
got
them
up
to
speed
so
that
when
we
give
our
packet
full
package
to
them,
you
know
they
got
a
little
history
of
behind
what
we're
trying
to
do
actually
very
good
me
they're,
very
cooperative.
C
They
also
gave
me
an
update
on
grand
Vista,
which
is
all
we
need
to
do.
Is
the
land
development
permit
or
land
use
permit
land
development
permit,
and
they
had
asked
that
we
do
two
more
borings
on
two
locations
because
of
a
retaining
wall,
and
so
our
they're
out
there
doing
that
right
now.
So
that's
part
of
it's
coming
along,
very
well,
so
again
how
we
come
at
your
next
meeting
with
the
finals
on
the
residential
villas
in
the
highpoint
village.
C
C
To
call
the
sax
mare
that
in
residential
phase,
two
are
on
a
ridge
top,
and
that
was
one
of
the
issues
that
we
discussed
today.
The
the
I
think
I
was
a
walnut
court
because
of
where
we're
running
sanitary
and
everything
we
may
have
to
lose
a
lot
there
shortened
the
cul-de-sac
just
a
little
bit
and
and
the
point
I'm
getting
to
is
the
back
to
Lots
at
the
end
of
the
cul-de-sac.
C
D
B
E
E
E
E
The
20,000
square
foot
minimum
for
a
lot
is
mostly
driven
by
stormwater
control
and
in
this
particular
area
there
are
herbs
and
gutters.
If
you
have
curb
and
gutter,
it
drives
that
minimum
lot
size
down
to
nine
thousand
four
hundred
and
fifty
square
feet.
But
in
this
case
this
is
not
right
on
one
of
the
main
routes.
It's
not
it's
not
on
680,
it's
not
on
kata
Road.
So
there's
no
there's!
No
curbing
there
and
I
just
explained
to
the
to
the
applicant
that
you
know
the
permit
would
be
refused.
It
has
been
refused
already.
E
B
B
And
then
we
have
the
ordinance
from
City
Council
to
establish
title
41
site
plan
review.
We
didn't
have
this
coffee
at
the
last
meeting
and
this
is
the
original
meeting.
When
we
discussed
this,
we
were
working
from
different
copies
of
this
ordinance
and
this
was
a
one
that
we
went
through
and
you
tried
to
bring
up
to
date
now
that
all
agree
but
okay.
B
E
Since
the
last
meeting
when
Dave
Hoisington
came
in
the
developer
for
Tyler
Ridge
last
meeting,
he'd
called
me
up
and
wanted
some
additional
information
and
we
had
discussed
the
my
understanding.
What
happened
last
meeting
was
his
original
preliminary
plan.
Approval
had
expired,
he
was
to
reapply
for
new
preliminary
approval,
submit
the
appropriate
fees
and
then,
after
that,
go
to
final
he'd.
Ask
me
some
questions
about
signature
lines
were
necessary
on
the
final
plat
and
I
reviewed
with
him.
E
Those
that
are
necessary
he
had
mentioned
should
I
have
a
sign-off
line
for
the
sheriff
or
the
fire
department.
I
said
no
just
make
sure
you've
got
that
written
documentation
to
submit
back
to
the
to
the
Planning
Commission.
Don't
include
those
as
signature
lines
on
the
plans.
I
expect.
Mr.
Hoisington
will
soon
be
coming
back
in
for
a
new
application
for
preliminary
approval
for
Tyler
Ridge
subdivision.
B
E
In
some
communication
about
zoning
designation
in
particular
holes
or
clinic
the
holes
are
property
right
now
is
zoned
M
and
I
guess
what
I
should
have
actually
said
was
m
and
open
space.
The
flood
hazard
area
was
zoned
open
space
and
so
to
continue
those
same
zoning
designations
out.
That
way
it
would
be
M
and
open
space
I'm.
E
A
member
of
the
floodplain
task
force
and
that's
some
of
the
things
that
we've
been
talking
about
is
that
when
you
do
zoning
designations
and
there's
several
different
kinds
of
open
space
definitions
that
are
not
part
of
the
admin
city
code.
So
there's
some
discussion
about
that.
How
to
blend
that,
possibly
into
new
flood
regulations,
subdivision
regulations,
land
development
regulations,
the
floodplain
task
force
has
gotten
very
ambitious.
E
It
seems
I'm,
saying
beyond
just
floodplain
regulations
and
trying
to
take
everything
and
make
sure
that
it
all
fits
I'd
like
to
commend
the
lane,
guess
she's
doing
a
wonderful
job,
she's
an
intern
for
City
Council
and
putting
this
all
together.
She's
done
a
a
really
good
job
of
doing
that.
So,
and
so
hopefully,
then
in
the
future,
we'll
see
there,
because
there
is
some
discussion
about
taking
all
of
the
existing
zones
which
are
not
open
space
but
are
adjacent
to
the
river
and
making
a
recommendation
that
all
of
those
please
owned.
E
Open
space
hasn't
been
determined.
Yet
if
the
recommendation
might
be
just
the
floodway
or
if
it
might
include,
say
the
25
year,
flood
hazard
area
or
the
50
year,
flood
hazard
area
to
designate
open
space.
So
that's
a
having
a
major
rezoning
of
the
whole
of
the
whole
city.
But
that's
something
you
might
see
come
out
of
the
floodplain
task
force
as
a
recommendation.
A
B
And
other
business,
okay,
I
think
for
probably
should
be
down,
would
be
five
in
units
changing
around
it
anyway,
announcements
in
other
business,
we
have
I,
have
no
announcements
other
than
our
next
meeting,
which
will
be
scheduled.
The
fourth
Socktober
force
that
we
having
a
couple
any
public
hearings,
then.
B
D
There's
only
we
have
two
last
median
we
just
have.
We
had
to
make
it
as
cap
to
see
if
we
had
to
have
a
public
hearing
who's
at
our
discretion
and
so
I
recommended
we
do
not.
So,
therefore
we
could
have
a
motion
to
for
both
if
the
properties
that
are
in
the
annexation
process.
Right
now
for
the
Holzer
medical
clinic,
I,
think
I'm
ELISA
to
write
one
up
follows
what
Steven
said
that
we
would
continue
the
zoning
as
M
and
because
there's
no
sense
having
an
ability
to
be
three
into
them.
D
It
doesn't
make
any
sense
if
we
want
to
rezone
later
we
could
reason
later
and
then,
following
along
the
open
space,
we've
done
all
on
that
other
with
words
that
it
would
be.
According
to
the
final
letter,
map
revision
would
be
the
determination
of
where
that
is
anything
that
was
not
raised
to
the
hundred
year.
Flood
plain
would
be
open
space
that
so
that's
my
motion.
If.
B
D
D
30-Some
acres-
and
that
was
all
one
parcel
when
the
annexation
was
filed
for
since
that
time,
they've
come
in
and
requested
a
lot
split
saying
they
really
only
want
the
mortgage
tied
up
for
the
land,
that's
with
the
house
and
don't
want
the
mortgage
on
the
rest
of
the
acreage
and
Stevie
ought
to
hell
back
here.
Remember
how
big
is
the
lot
size
for
thee?
I
think
you
that
you
approved
that
one
right
and.
E
E
Which
I
suppose,
technically
speaking,
is
exempt
from
subdivision
regulation
Lots
over
five
acres,
but
we're
always,
you
know
always
looking
for
residual
properties,
just
in
general,
the
residual
carcere
you
know.
Is
it
too
small?
Does
it
not
have
enough
road
frontage?
Is
it
really
subject
to
the
regulation
so
I
think
that's
what
the
the
mayor
is
referring
to,
there's
a
little
been
a
little
screwed
where
they
cut
out
enough
for
the
house
and
then
there's
still
this.
E
B
B
E
D
Nobody,
that's
somebody
else,
oh
no,
but
what
racism,
because
it
came
through,
there's
an
annexation
request
of
one
person
getting
the
annexed
and
council
says
you
know
it
was
concerned,
because
we
have
this
time
clock
working
of
you
know
the
60
days
where
they
have
to
make
action
to
either
accept
it
or
not,
and
none
of
the
review
or
none
of
the
staff
review
also
was
looking
at.
Is
the
water
in
the
sewer
adequate
to
handle
additional.
A
D
It
says
you
know
it's
building
etc,
and
we
haven't
done
any
of
that
I,
don't
neither
was
the
property
owners
suggested
as
though
one
of
the
council
members
had
suggested
to
me,
or
we
talked
about
but
zone
a
lot
with
the
house
r1
and
the
balance
open
space.
Is
we
don't
even
know
how,
where
it
is
from
the
massage
regulation?
No
I
know
it's
over
20
acres,
so
wouldn't
hit
subdivision
regulations,
but
it's
a
it
is.
D
G
D
E
D
A
E
Came
in
for
a
different
zoning,
designation
I
think
that,
but
the
mayor
suggesting
is
very
similar
to
that
and
zone
in
open
space.
If
it's
been
expressed
that
it's
going
to
remain
open
space,
and
this
person
has
no
intention
of
a
traditional
development
that
doesn't
necessarily
mean
that
the
next
owner
might
add
or
that
someone
might
come
along
and
I
would.
B
A
D
D
B
E
B
B
E
E
D
Of
my
concern
on
this,
one
has
been
where
previous
buildings
have
been
built
with
an
excess
parking
or
it
will
prove
to
be,
and
I
always
use
the
the
one
that
the
one-bedroom
inefficiency,
human
Park,
River
Park,
that
our
code
says:
you'll
have
two
spaces
per
bedroom.
You
know
if
it's
one
bedroom
or
an
efficiency,
so
they
went
ahead
and
built
240
parking
spaces,
420
units
which
meets
the
code
and
when
I,
when
they
first
opened
that
I'm
it
could
have
changed.
D
Since
then
they
had
six
apartments
rented
to
two
people
and
everything
else
was
to
one
person,
and
so
they
then
leased
out
the
balanced
public.
It's
the
students
living
on
the
east
screen
the
way
this
is
worded.
They
would
have
to
remain
vacant
because
it
has
to
I,
mean
I,
understand
the
mission
of
counsel.
In
a
way
of
saying
you
can't,
you
know
if
we've
required
you
to
have
parking
and.
A
D
Done
it,
it
has
to
go
with
the
unit
and
I
have
no
problem
with
that
at
all.
Where
I,
where
I'm
having
some
difficulty
is
where
it
says,
and
neither
you
nor
the
person
that
has
the
parking
space
worth
the
unit,
have
the
ability
to
lease
that
to
anybody
else
and
that's
where
I'm
afraid
there's
going
to
be
vacant
parking
spaces
in
town
that
could
be
used,
which
is
going
to
crowd
the
parking
out
to
other
places.
And
that's
that's
where
my
concern
is
I'm,
not
sure
how
to
reword.
D
You
know
our
recommendation
back
to
them
to
get
to
that,
but
I,
don't
like
I
guess
the
idea,
although
I
can
see
their
point,
you
have
to
have
one
way
or
the
other
that
one
price
gets
both
and
depth.
That
may
hurt.
The
person
that
does
not
have
a
car
here
are
here
here
in
Athens,
because
previously
they
could
have
rented
it
for
less,
but
it
also
encourages
that
they're
shopping
for
parking
and
parking
at
more
remote
locations
or
parking
on
the
streets
and
I
see.
D
D
Of
that
resolution,
is
it
like
the
idea
of
one
price
you
get
your
unit
or
the
bedroom
within
your
unit
and
a
parking
space
where
it's
provided?
The
other
is,
you
know,
does
not
I
still
think,
even
though
I
mean
you're
always
going
to
have
problems
with
the
those
grandfathered
that
do
not
have
them
needed
parking
isn't
gonna
solve
any
of
that.
D
E
There
was
some
testimony
that
public
hearing
that
there
are
some
leases
that
don't
even
mention
parking.
You
know
it's
just
it's
a
sink,
convert,
single-family
home,
there's
a
driveway,
you
don't
pay
extra
for
your
parking,
but
where
there's
a
high
demand
for
parking-
and
you
may
choose
to
live
there
because
you
want
to
be
a
pedestrian
and
not
a
motorist.
E
D
G
G
Think,
in
addition
to
the
the
problem
of
when
does
it
go
into
effect
and
how
continue
certainly
can't
make
it
retroactive
and
so
on,
I
think
it's
a
one.
Size
fits
all
ordinance
that
doesn't
really
fit
all
and
because
of
the
situations
that
you
talked
about
with
the
converted
houses
and
so
on.
I
also
think
that
if
I
were
a
tenant
who
had
been
required
to
pay
a
lease
that
included
the
parking
and
I
didn't
have
a
car
I
would
feel.
G
G
A
F
F
G
F
A
G
B
For
the
places
that
have
more
parking
spaces
than
required,
that's
another
story
and
that's
another
part
of
their
people's.
That's
why
they
do
it,
but
there's
a
bigger
presence.
Did
you
say
that
this
does
not
apply
to
houses,
or
did
you
say
that
house
is
converted
to
rentals
that
people,
because
no.
F
B
B
B
D
H
B
E
In
the
larger,
complex
and
apartment
complexes,
I'm
not
exactly
sure
how
it
works,
if
you
pay
extra
say
where
you're
at
University
Commons
and
they
have
a
parking
spot
for
every
bedroom,
I'm,
not
sure
how
that
works.
If
you
have
to
pay
extra
for
that
parking
spot,
that's
supposed
to
go
with
it.
I
know
they
monitor
it
either
by
sticker
by
hangtag,
a
lot
of
landlords
that
have
parking.
E
A
E
Some
of
them
go
with
stickers.
Some
of
them
go
with
hang
tech.
Just
hang
tags,
I'm
go
with
hang
tags
tied
to
a
specific
license,
plate
number
and
then
those
parking
areas
are
all
posted
as
private
parking,
lots
and
private
always
zones,
and
they
deal
with
that
towing
on
their
own.
If
someone's
in
someone
else's
spot
or
it's
not
the
right,
hangtag
or
the
tag
doesn't
match
the
license
plate.
So
there's
just
we
think
about
it.
The
more
different
scenarios
that
there
are
there's
lots
of
difference
in
the
truth,
you've.
D
Got
the
one
where
it's
grandfathered
and
for
four
people
and
there's
two
parking
spaces
and
they
all
have
to
pay
the
same
amount
of
money
and
which
to
get
it
yet
to
get
the
parking
spaces.
What
you
have
to
go
find
something
on
their
own.
That
I
mean
there's
all
those
those
existed
in,
because
whether
it's
Thai
dinner,
oh
oh,.
B
D
H
A
H
They're
being
required
to
pay
for
something
they're,
not
using
I,
feel
like
that's
a
little
bit
outside
of
what
our
concern
is
on
council.
It's
really
about
our
code
requires
that
the
parking
be
available,
and
the
intention
I,
think
of
the
Planning
Commission
and
of
council
was
that
that
parking
be
available
for
the
tenants
and
since
it
is
being
leased
out
separately,
I
think
Joanne
at
the
public
hearing.
You
said
something
about
people
who
don't
choose
to
rent
it
end
up,
sometimes
parking
on
neighborhood
streets.
A
H
If
they're
being
asked
to
pay
extra
for
that,
so
whatever
people
charge,
whether
they
charge
more
and
include
that
in
the
rent
or
keep
the
rent
where
it
is
all
that
is
kind
of
their
own
business,
how
they
decide
to
work
that
out.
In
my
view,
I
think
it's
just
the
intention
of
our
zoning
code
and
our
requirements
are
on
parking
to
make
sure
that,
if
they're
going
to
be
a
whole
lot
of
folks
living
in
these
places
that
they
actually
have
available
parking,
that's
all!
If
that
clarifies
it
all.
B
D
H
I
I,
don't
know
I'm
not
familiar
with
the
idea
of
people
subleasing
parking
in
other
cities,
the
the
notion
that
if
you
have
an
apartment
somewhere,
you
would
somehow
state
claim
to
a
particular
parking
place
and
lease
it
out
to
someone
else.
I
haven't
heard
of
that.
Maybe
that
happens
in
other
places,
but
I'm
not
familiar
with
that.
G
B
A
E
Came
on
complained
to
the
tree
Commission,
it
was
discussed
at
their
last
meeting.
I
pulled
the
records
of
the
Planned
Unit
development.
It
was.
It
was
approved
as
a
Planned
Unit
development
and
there
were
some
landscaping
requirements
and
there
has
been
note
by
the
tree
Commission
of
some
corrective
measures
that
are
necessary,
also,
including
some
fencing
and
some
curb
blocking
and
some
other
things.
E
Along
the
little
brick
alley,
brick
gravel
alley
that
goes
up
beside
it.
It's
one
other
thing,
I'd
like
to
say
every
year,
I
try
to
get
information
out
to
different
student
groups
or
to
newspapers
about
a
lot
of
different
things.
Information
that's
available
at
the
code
enforcement
office
and
I
saw
just
the
other
day
on
the
front
page
of
the
post
and
in
a
newsletter
publication
from
off-campus
living
I'd,
provided
them.
What
I
called
my
top
ten
list,
but
I
had
to
call
it
my
top
ten
or
more
list.
E
It
got
a
little
longer
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
really
emphasized
was
before
you
sign
a
lease,
come
to
the
code
office
and
see
how
much
parking
is
really
available.
Where
is
it
at?
Is
there
a
variance
that
it
has
some
remote
parking
somewhere?
Is
it
grandfathered
with
deficient
parking
or
no
parking,
be
surprised?
E
A
E
B
D
H
F
D
Just
think
that
we
should
address
the
idea
of
any
of
the
parking
that
is
required
to
get
your
rental
permit
must
go
with
with
it
now
I
know
we
created
an
automatic
on
all
one-bedroom
apartments
that
actually
have
two
spaces
and
meet
the
cones
you've
automatically.
In
almost
all
cases
have
you
90
percent
have
an
extra
space
and
it's
required
to
go
with
it.
So.
A
G
G
A
D
B
B
E
A
E
E
D
I
think
that
one
of
my
concerns
about
it
had
been,
and
again
it
was.
How
do
we
administrative
remove
this
application
along
and
we're
really
saying
sort
of
safety
director
declares
when
an
application
is
complete,
but
the
procedure
for
approval
starts
with
when
recommendations
are
required.
Such
recommendations
shall
be
obtained
from
the
appropriate
boards.
Commission
JT
commission
disabilities
Commission.
While
there
was
a
timeline
on
the
Planning
Commission,
there
is
no
timeline
on
the
same
tree
or
complaint
or
the
disabilities
Commission
and
I
know
most
of
those
generally
meet
monthly.
D
So
if
it's
order,
Safety
Director
can't
declare
at
a
complete
application
until
after
those
processes
have
gone
through
when
they
are
required
for
some
projects,
it's
going
to
be
a
lot
longer
timeframe
than
other
projects
that
don't
require
going
to
those
other
public
citizens.
You
know
review
for
us
I.
E
Think
this
kind
of
expand
on
that
a
little
bit.
For
example,
the
shade
tree
Commission
meets
once
a
month
they
meet
on
the
I.
Believe
it's
the
second
Thursday
of
every
month.
That's
a
regularly
scheduled
meeting.
They
may
have
a
plan
submitted,
they
review
it
because
a
lot
of
these
require
consolidation
approval,
so
they
send
a
correction
letter
to
the
developer
and
he
has
to
redo
the
drawing
send
it
back
in
and
then
they
don't
meet
for
another
month
and
then
there
may
be
some
other
correction
after
that,
believe
it
or
not.
E
D
F
E
As
mr.
rep
had
mentioned,
you
need
disabilities
Commission
for
a
review
for
a
Planned
Unit
development,
but
you
wouldn't
just
for
a
commercial
site.
Yet
both
of
them
might
have
parking
landscaping,
regulations
right,
so
yeah
we're
required
could
be.
There's
gonna
be
different
for
different
projects.
Yeah.
D
D
H
D
D
Following
determination,
applications
completing
the
service,
a
form,
four
copies
of
the
application
to
other
city
departments,
is
deemed
necessary.
That's
exactly
backwards
from
what
we
do.
We
have
the
developer
meet
with
the
city
department,
heads
and
then
based
upon
that
advice
in
saying
what
size
water
line,
sewer
lines
and
everything
else,
then
they
submit
after
review
whether
city
departments,
not.
Why
would
you
then
have
to
have
them
go
back
and
review
again
doesn't
make
any
sense?
It's
not
the
way
we
do.
It.
F
I'm
quit
quite
often,
and
even
under
the
current
system,
we
have
preliminary
reviews,
for
example
like
with
with
University
of
States
or
whatever,
where
they
would
come
in
on
an
unofficial
basis
and
try
to
go
over
some
of
those
things,
but
that
wouldn't
be
covered
in
here.
So
it's
outside
the
process.
F
E
I
could
related
to
that
I'm,
a
member
of
a
committee,
that
the
chamber
is
called
kind
of
helped
them
with
title
41,
but
the
chamber
also
has
been
asked
by
Council
to
come
up
with
a
developer's
checklist
or
a
flowchart,
so
they're
working
on
both
of
those
things
at
the
same
time,
and
so
they're
they're
aware
you
know
big
flowchart
a
lot
of
it's
probably
already
been
done.
The
Chamber's
we've
done
a
lot
of
work
on
that
already,
so
it
might
be
just
finally
tying
up
all
these
loose
ends.