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B
B
And
it's
just
up
route
682
from
682
on
bore
Ridge
within
3
miles
of
the
city.
That's
why
the
city
has
subdivision
jurisdiction.
That's
the
drawing
that
I'm
talking
about
right
there.
It's
essentially
a
two
acre
piece
out
of
the
center
or
the
midsection
of
the
parcel.
You
did
also
have
a
soil
study
that
was
submitted
as
far
as
I
know,
yet
to
be
reviewed
by
the
Health
Department
that
was
done,
live
phone
call.
The
company
called
Terra
Pharma
soil
investigations.
This
is
the
type
of
report
when
mr.
B
B
Also
I
provided
to
you
also
a
couple
mock
up
private
driveway,
these
easement
agreements-
these
are
these-
are
used
by
the
County
Regional
Planning
Commission
Athens
County
Regional,
Planning
Commission.
You
do
have
a
document
in
the
package.
That's
an
agreement
signed
between
the
applicant
in
the
current
owner,
the
property
which
I'd
recommend
be
recorded
also
so
in
the
future.
There's
no
dispute
about
who
maintains
his
private
easement
outside
the
city.
The
county
permits
up
to
four
splits
off
the
private
road
to
one
lot
was
only
going
to
service
one
lot.
B
B
E
The
health
department
right
will
you
talk
to
the
health
department
to
Chuck
hammer
and
he's
the
one
who
has
the
kisses
doing
it
as
well.
Testing
I
mean
not
bad
and
then
I'd
also
talked
to
Steve
garrison,
and
he
was
the
one
who
told
us
about
the
easement
and
have
to
come
here,
but
a
loss
play
I
made
up
the
little
I
did
that
prematurely
on
my
own.
E
There
is
30
foot
of
right
front
right,
furnish
there
on
the
property
I've
been
in
contact
with
Chuck
Chuck
has
not
seen
at
the
soil
test,
because
when
I
called
Steve,
I
asked
him
if
I
thought
Chuck
needed,
because
I
had
that
whole
packet
ready,
and
he
said
he
didn't-
need
to
send
it
to
chuck
and
I,
don't
think
he
was
realizing.
The
soil
test
was
in
there,
so
I
could
send
that
to
Chuck
today,
I
can't
even
take
it
over
to
him.
E
F
Just
a
couple,
a
month
ago,
we
had
somebody
who
did
a
lot
split
and
the
Health
Department
did
not
accept
the
fact
that
there
was
enough
appropriate
drainage
for
a
for
a
septic
system,
and
it
was
all
sorts
of
problems.
So
I
think
I
would
also
feel
more.
You
know
a
lot
more
comfortable
if
you
went
first
to
them
and
they
say
okey-dokey
and
then
okay,
I.
F
A
D
D
E
G
E
I
was
just
guesstimating
two
acres
as
well,
because
you
know
I,
don't
know
exactly
how
did
it,
but
when
I
talked
to
chuck
him
there
at
the
house
Department,
he
said
we
had
to
have
at
least
almost
a
full
acre
for
the
sector.
That's
why
outline
the
complete
septic
area
that
we're
subjects
already
act
plus
where
we
can
have
a
new
septic,
then,
where
our
house
would
be
act
so
maybe
a
little
less
than
two
acres.
It
may
be
a
little
more
than
two
acres.
It's
not
exactly
a
matter.
E
E
E
Health
Department
has
already
when
we
moved
in,
and
they
told
us
which
culvert
to
put
it
the
top
the
road
for
our
driveway.
They
even
told
us
which
septic
system
to
put
there
and
we
have
our
permit
from
them.
So
what
we're
just
doing
now
is
we're
trying
to
get
a
double-wide
and
put
it
in
put
that
property
in
our
name.
So
we
can
get
the
line.
G
B
The
minimum
is
one
acre
when
the
city
subdivision
regulations
were
rewritten
several
years
ago.
It
used
to
be
less
than
that
about
a
half,
an
acre
from
talking
to
the
Health
Department,
though
most
areas
in
the
county
need
at
least
an
acre
for
private
sewage
disposal
system.
So,
for
example,
if
someone
could
have
a
lot
smaller
than
an
acre
and
have
a
system
approved,
you'd
run
that
through
as
a
variance.
B
A
A
D
H
A
B
Recently
spoke
with
the
applicant
mr.
Mitch
Indyk
about
a
property.
He
owns
at
seven
thousand
seven
North
Blackburn
Road,
it's
just
on
the
edge
of
the
corporation
limits
of
the
city
of
Athens,
at
the
intersection
of
50
routes,
5032
and
north
black
in
the
road.
A
drawing
like
this
that
indicates,
the
location
of
the
property
actually
have
should
have
when
I'm
in
case
current
zoning
and
one
in
case
the
proposed
zoning
went
through
the
application
process
with
mr.
M
deck,
and
we
actually
sat
down
went
through
the
code.
B
A
proposal
is
to
take
that
particular
piece
of
property
and
the
zone
did
be
one
neighborhood
business,
as
opposed
to
its
current
zoning
r1
single-family
residential
in
conversations
with
mr.
n
deck,
and
he
can
elaborate
on
this
a
little
more
one
of
the
one
of
the
things
that
he
thought
might
be
more
appropriate
in
this
area
would
be
a
business
or
professional
office,
which
is
a
principally
permitted
use
in
a
b1
neighborhood.
B
G
B
A
B
B
D
Know
Steve
you
provided
us
with
a
comprehensive
plan
pages
I
do
want
to
make
note
that
it
did
say
some
places
along
the
corridor
would
offer
suitable
development
preferred
commercial,
suitable
locations
for
commercial
development,
but
then
also
under
implementation.
They
talked
about
a
new
rural
residential
zoning
district
is
thought
to
be
needed
to
generally
apply
to
these
areas
so
right
there
within
the
city
limits.
D
D
G
F
B
X
lane,
as
you
come
up,
north
blackburn
khan's
lane
ticks
off
to
the
right
back
up
toward
town
fairly
quickly,
and
you
drive
back
probably
a
quarter
of
a
mile.
That's
where
x,
Convalescent
Center
is
at
across
across
the
street
on
south
Blackburn
there's
also
a
parallel
access
road
that
was
constructed
at
the
time
the
highway
went
through.
That
goes
back
to
a
motel.
B
I
A
We
also
noted
the
traffic
problems
coming
out
off
either
north
or
south
Blackburn.
My
way,
the
state
I
believe
has
told
us,
there's
no
possibility
of
it.
Traffic
like
there
because
of
traffic
coming
up
the
hill
on
the
highway
not
being
able
to
see
stopped
cars
evident
and
equally,
if
you
come
out
of
north
wagon,
you
can't
see
cars
coming
up
the
hill
on
the
highway
very
easily.
It's
there,
it's
a
dangerous
intersection.
That's
one
of
the
reasons
that
we
dragged
our
feet
about.
J
J
J
J
Understand
that
it's
a
dangerous
intersection-
and
there
is
some
some
r1
housing
grounded
but
there's
intervening
variables.
This
is
the
house,
this
is
the
front
yard
and
if
I
could
run
this
thing,
this
is
across
the
street
there's
a
residential
home
across
the
street,
and
that
is
the
view
that
they
have
and,
of
course,
on
the
left
hand,
side
is
the
storage,
barns
and
right
hand,
side,
there's
a
sign
for
the
pecans.
J
I
have
three
good
reasons
for
is
for
a
zone
change,
request,
I
feel
I,
feel
the
property
better
fits
a
business
zone.
I
feel
it's
consistent
with
the
city
of
Athens,
comprehensive
plan
and
most
important
I
think
the
change
would
make
the
property
much
safer
for
travelers
and
for
people
that
mail
or
people
at
the
property
and
I
can
I
have
some
reasons
for
all
these.
So
if
I
can
everybody's.
J
The
first
reason
is
it's
more
about
it's
more
of
a
b-1
than
an
r1
in
my
mind,
because
the
major
highway
out
front,
which,
according
to
the
Department
of
Transportation,
has
between
twelve
thousand
and
seventeen
thousand
vehicles
a
day
going
by
and
they're
coming
by
pretty
fast.
There's.
No
doubt
second
reason
is
I
feel
an
r1
zone
should
be
quiet,
but
there's
a
lot
of
traffic
and
noise
24
hours
day
out
front
and
dust
a
third.
J
J
This
is
a
look
from
the
front
porch
to
the
left
and
you're,
basically
seeing
the
motel
and
the
sign
for
cars
and
that's
the
access
road
up
two
times,
but
again
it's
not
really
in
keeping
with
what
I
think
is
a
residential
area.
This
is
the
view
from
the
porch
to
the
out
of
the
city
side
and
what
you're
saying
is
basically
storage
units
and
occasionally
you
get
make
movements
moves
out,
move
outs
and
that
sort
of
thing.
J
So
my
first
point
is
that
I
think
it's
really
more
of
a
business
field
than
a
residential
field
and
my
second,
my
second
overall
point
is
I,
felt
that
the
change
from
it's
a
b1.
This
is
in
keeping
with
the
city
of
Athens
comprehensive
plans
and
I
took
a
quote
out
of
that:
the
the
actual
housing
in
the
in
that
corridor.
It's
once
you
get
past
my
property,
it's
very
little
r1,
it's
more
or
less
kind
of
small
sort
of
thing.
People
have
different
size
properties,
different
situations,
so.
J
J
This
is
a
picture
from
inside
the
kitchen
of
the
house
which
was
taken
for
208
and
they
have
a
huge
collection
of
whose
bottles
and
they've
given
up
on
saving
them.
I
think
because
that
was
the
same
collection
they
had
a
year
ago,
but
they're
saving
them
so
I.
Just
and
that's
it
houses
are
brought
in.
This
house
has
all
original
woodwork.
J
So
it's
my
urgent
plea
that
rezoning
this
property
to
a
to
a
v1
from
an
r1,
so
I
can
attract
a
small
office
use
and
reasoning.
Being
again,
I
wrote
up
there,
people
that
are
gonna,
be
in
an
office.
It
can't
be
a
very
big
office,
but
in
office
it's
not
gonna
consume
alcohol
in
an
office
except
me
for
Christmas
party
they're,
not
gonna,
be
using
the
intersection
at
night.
J
J
G
J
J
J
The
Spence
stops
right
about
here
and
hero
does
the
other
rooms
right
here:
Blackburn,
that's
a
child
or
anybody
just
walk
over
here
and
just
put
around
the
Highlanders
and
those
there's.
No,
this
is
the
house
here.
There's
no
fence
here,
just
walk
around
in
the
highway.
This
is
the
original
steps
back
when
it
was
a
back
years
ago
when
it
was
a
smaller,
less
traveled.
G
G
J
G
A
F
F
By
ours
you
have
no
contiguous
bees
or
anything,
so
we
just
looked
at
some
rezoning
and
for
the
Union,
and
there
was
other
things
that
are
continuous
with
it.
So
we've
done
it
anyway
and
you
know
there's
an
argument:
spot
zoning
is
illegal,
so
there
is
some
issue
of
that.
Is
there
a
possibility
of
variants
or
other
ways
of
trying
to
achieve
I
I
see
what
you're
saying
in
your
arguments
and
I
think
your
arguments
are
valid
and
reasonable.
I.
F
B
Still,
the
Board
of
Zoning
Appeals
can
grant
a
use
variance
for
business,
although
I'm
not
sure
if
they
can
do
that
in
an
r1
zone
where
business
is
prohibited,
it's
not
real
clear,
but
there
is.
You
can't
have
a
business
variance
now
that
first
has
to
be
reviewed
by
the
Planning
Commission.
The
Planning
Commission
makes
a
recommendation
to
the
Board
of
Zoning
Appeals
before
the
board
hears
decay.
I
J
Point
I'm
sorry
go
ahead.
One
point
I
wanted
to
make
was
that
in
my
mind
our
one
seems
to
be
a
high
residential
use
and
when
you
have
something
like
15,000
cars
driving
by
a
day,
I
just
cannot
see
that
being
residential.
It
just
doesn't
make
any
sense
to
me
and-
and
it
is
up,
it's
obviously
a
state
highway
and
there
are
other
zones
around
it.
J
Look
at
a
State
Street,
which
I
have
a
business
on
State
Street
is
obviously
a
a
business
area,
but
when
you
go
back
several
properties
off
of
East
State
Street
it
becomes
residential.
So
it's
not.
It
doesn't
seem
that
different
to
me.
This
situation
seen
that
differently,
I'm
sitting
right
on
the
highway
I'm,
not
two
doors
up
from
the
high
always
saying:
hey,
I,
want
to
be
a
business
I'm
right
on
the
highway.
I
couldn't
be
any
closer
great.
F
You
know
and
I
mean
if
the
county
had
zoning
and
the
behind
you
was
you
know,
business
or
whatever
that
the
county
doesn't
have
zoning.
So
we
can't
really
look
at
that.
So
I
mean
he's
surrounded
by
our
woods,
so
you'd
be
kind
of
like
this
little
island
yeah.
So
that's
that's
an
issue.
I.
Think
it's
more
of
an
issue
for
me
of
a
precedent
so
well.
A
I
would
think
if,
even
if
there's
a
variance
so
that
you
could
have
a
business
there,
there's
got
to
be
some
sort
of
strict
limitation
on
the
kind
of
business,
because
one
that's
going
to
attract
a
lot
more
traffic.
It's
it's
really
bad
news.
There
I
think
that
that
traffic
problem
at
north
or
south
Blackburn
both
is
something
that
the
comprehensive
plan
doesn't
really
take
into
account,
if
maybe
they
weren't
really
looking
at
that
part
of
of
50.
A
J
It
is,
it
is
not
gonna,
be
it
it's
not
just
not
to
kill
this,
but
not
to
belabor
this
point,
because
this
is
what
this
was
really
important
to
me
personally,
because
I
worry
about
the
place
I
haven't
I,
have
no
choice
have
to
rent
it
out
and
I
can't
ran
out
so
a
family
just
won't
live
there
anyway.
It
is
not
truly
surrounded
by
r1
mm-hmm.
It's
just
I
mean
I
show.
The
picture
is
what
it
looks
like
around
there.
It's
not
our
one,
but.
J
F
J
F
J
J
F
G
I
A
A
I
D
I
F
J
Would
think
that
a
handicap
ramp
have
to
be
built
and
then
the
downstairs
is
suitable,
for
you
know,
maybe
an
office
of
some
sort.
There's
it's
a
fairly
large
house
and
it's
three
stories,
but
you
can't
get
upstairs.
You
can't
lose
that
legally,
because
a
handicapped
access,
so
I
would
say
one
small
office
and.
J
A
A
Need
but
I
think
what
what
Paul
was
talking
about.
What
I
was
talking
about
is
some
way
of
actually
limiting
the
kind
of
traffic.
That's
gonna
come
to
etiquettes
in
office
and
whether
you
do
it
by
the
type
of
business
or
whether
you
do
it
by
a
business
that
wouldn't
attract
more
than
a
car.
Since
failure
I,
don't
know
how
you
lemon
it.
Do
you
have
any
thoughts,
Steve.
B
Occupations,
home
businesses
are
permitted
even
in
our
one
zones.
As
early
as
our
one
zones,
you
can
use
up
to
50%
of
the
interior
of
the
home
for
the
business
use.
There
have
to
be
no
exterior
features
that
make
it
appear
to
be
anything
but
a
single-family
home.
The
entrance
to
the
office
or
business
base
has
to
be
from
within
the
dwelling.
In
other
words,
not
a
separate
business
office
are
not
a
separate
area
of
the
home
and
you
can
have
one
person
who's,
not
a
resident.
B
J
J
J
J
It
yeah,
but
but
but
the
chances
of
being
me
being
successful.
Finding
this
exact
little
piece
of
puzzle
that
can
fit
into
this
situation
and
it's
very
minimal.
What's
gonna
wind
up
happen
in
reality?
Is
students
you're
going
to
stay
there?
That's
just
that's
just
what
you're
telling
me
is
when
you
try
to.
When
you
try
to
narrow
me
down
to
a
corner,
I
mean
I'll.
D
F
Was
with
college
students
that
I
mean
especially
because
they
they're
commuting
to
school
from
there
so
with
three
college
students?
That's
a
pretty
large
it
would.
But
what
I
see
it
doing
is
changing
the
traffic
patterns
to
daytime
use
I'm,
not
necessarily
increasing
it,
but
decreasing
it
on
the
weekends
and
in
the
evenings
that
particular
place
so
which,
and
you
know,
I-
think
that
the
party
it
would
decrease
party
traffic.
F
A
J
There
is
approximately
five
spaces
and
the
students
then
just
get
back
on
the
students,
drive
back
and
forth
to
their
classes,
so
they're
going
back
and
forth
all
day,
people
during
the
day
they're
going
back
and
forth
their
friends
are
coming
over,
but
there's
additional
parking
that
can
they
swing
around
and
park
about
storage
barns
and
they
also
Park
on
the
access
road
to
cons.
So
when
there's
a
party
or
whenever
a
having
friends
there's
a
plenty
of
parking
lot
and.
J
G
D
F
Okay,
I
think
you
know
in
the
future.
If
you
know
through
the
comprehensive
plan,
Advisory
Committee,
you
know
there
is
this
everyone,
zoning
that
starts
going
in
and
starts
being
applied
to
do
these
things.
Then
this
would
also
keep
the
options
open
in
the
future.
So
I'd
hate
to
start
doing
this.
All
you
helter-skelter
all
up
and
down.
You
know
the
street
here
this
the
highway
so.
G
A
B
A
G
A
A
B
B
B
What
happens
is
the
scale
just
giving
an
example?
This
happens
quite
often
business.
You
experiences
in
zones
were
that
type
of
use
is
not
permitted.
The
Board
of
Zoning
Appeals
has
agreed
with
the
Planning
Commission
and
voted
against
the
Planning
Commission
I'd
say
it's
probably
50/50.
Whatever
the
recommendation
is,
the
Zoning
Board
does
not
have
to
follow
the
Planning
Commission's.
B
B
F
G
All
right,
okay,
I,
assume
that
in
the
packet
that
goes
there's
only
one
appeal
Sophie
to
the
minutes,
describing
the
fact
that
the
motion
to
change
it
to
be
one
was
was
not
seconded
and
that
word
died
before
vote
and
I
would
assume
that
in
the
packet.
There
would
also
be
some
worries
about
the
fact
that
there's
a
motion
to
send
it
to
the
Zoning
Board
of
Appeals,
with
recommendation
of
giving
a
business
use
and
that
dining
for
lack
of
that
was
the
PSS
intervening
right.
A
B
G
D
Understanding
according
to
our
regulations
here
on
page
seven,
any
future
modifications
also
be
we're
not
committed
to
the
Planning
Commission
bringing
it
to
you.
I
know
you
haven't
had
advanced
review
of
this.
There
are
a
few
simple
changes
where
they've
identified
the
one-year
captures
of
your
change.
Different
five-year
captures
I'm
just
to
wall
hit
protection
area.
B
B
B
As
a
member
of
the
Planning
Commission
that
was
last
year,
there
was
one
additional
access
point,
I
think
permitted
and
then
a
private
private,
easement
private
right
away
to
access
the
other
Lots
as
opposed
to
them
accessing
directly
to
the
public
street,
and
so
with
that
little
bit
of
history
from
last
year
on
adjacent
parcel.
Now
comes
this
parson
just
immediately
to
the
west,
a
proposal
to
subdivide
it
into
three
with
two
additional
access:
Penn
State
Street.
K
K
They
are
requesting
curb
cuts
to
each
of
the
parcels
so
that
if,
in
fact
in
the
future,
this
group
of
six
physicians
decide
to
split
the
parcels
and
each
physician
or
each
group
of
physicians
decide
that
they
will
take
one
of
the
five
acre
parcels
and
reconfigure
ownership
of
the
parcels.
They
will
each
have
equal
access
to
the
Lots.
K
K
D
K
K
A
Like
to
to
back
up
with
just
a
minute,
when
did
we
receive
this?
We
didn't
get
this
some
time
for
the
agenda
to
be
for
it
to
be
on
the
agenda,
and
since
it
involves
block
splits
and
the
curb
cuts,
it
should
have
a
case
number
and
it
should
be
on
the
agenda
at
the
next
Planning
Commission
meeting,
rather
than
at
this
one.
Okay,
we
have
what
we
have
to
have
everything
by
noon
of
the
Thursday
before
the
Planning
Commission
meetings,
so
that
we
have
a
chance
to
go.
Look
at
the.
I
K
What
we're
doing
I
I
would
like
to
I
guess
somewhat
confirm
some
of
the
information
that
Steve
had
pointed
out
on
an
earlier
curb
cut
that
was
approved
last
year
on
the
Renzulli
property.
The
situation.
There
is
a
little
different
than
this
current
situation,
in
that
the
Renzulli
property
was
in
the
city
limits
and
I.
Think
peg
may
remember
some
of
the
aspects
of
that
that
was
split
into
five
five
lots.
K
Access
to
three
of
the
most
Eastern
Lots
had
to
come
through
one
of
the
other
Lots
because
of
the
limited
access
highway
in
front
of
those
Lots.
There
was
no
way
to
provide
direct
access
to
those
Lots.
A
curb
cut
was
approved
for
lot,
one
on
the
Rennes
le
property,
as
well
as
curb
cuts
directly
across
from
that
on
the.
K
And,
of
course,
let
me
just
point
out
that
you
know
again
part
of
the
you
know
whole
comprehensive
City
plan
is
you
know
the
use
and
access
to
some
of
this
property
on
East,
8th
Street
between
the
Rennes
le
property
and
the
Holzer
docks
property.
There's
about
35
acres,
just
on
the
south
side.
That
again
can
could
be
an
instrumental
part
of
the
development
of
East,
8th,
Street
and.
K
The
frontage
of
the
frontage
road-
that
was
a
proof
for
the
Rennes
le
property,
was
approved
again
because
of
the
lack
of
direct
access
to
e
State
Street.
The
other
lot
lot.
One
was
given
direct
access
to
e
State
Street,
creating
again
a
access
road
here
may
seriously
impact
the
bike
path
in
that
that
access
road
would
be
literally
right
next
to
the
bike
path.
If
the
bike
path,
in
fact,
is
moving
forward
as
planned,
that's.
A
A
K
F
I
B
Right
now,
the
city
has
not
received
application
for
minor
subdivision
of
land
surveys
that
appear
have
already
been
completed
and
checked
for
math
accuracy
by
the
County
engineer's
office.
But
another
one
of
the
requirements
for
approval
for
a
minor
subdivision
of
land
is
approval
from
the
Health
Department.
B
In
a
situation
like
this
for
I
believe
anything
for
four
more
units
or
commercial
use,
an
approval
for
a
sewage
disposal
system
was
obtained
by
the
Ohio
EPA
to
install
permit
to
install
sewage
system.
An
alternative
would
be
that
City
Council
would
approve
extension
of
public
sewer
outside
the
city,
I
believe
right
now,
there's
one
existing
water
tap
to
the
Oh
Columbia
gas
I
think
had
city
water,
but
they
did
not
have
they
had
their
own
sewage
disposal
system.
So
that's
another
consideration
for
approval.
K
Excuse
me
feedback
here
for
a
second,
you
know
again
we're
in
some
preliminary
phases
or
stages
here
and
since
this
is
outside
the
city
limits,
you
know
again,
these
being
broken
into
five
acre
parcels.
It's
totally
possible
that
several
physicians
may
decide
that
they
want
to
go.
You
know
along
the
route
of
something
other
than
commercial
here,
maybe
residential
or
some
other
zoning
aspect.
This
property
is
bordered
by
two
manufacturing
zones.
K
B
B
And
there
was
one
abstention
to
one
with
one:
abstention.
I
have
today
been
contacted
by
Jim
Lewis
of
Citizens
Bank.
In
two
weeks
ago,
I
was
contacted
by
Gary
bond
of
Citizens
Bank
and
I've
also
been
contacted
by
George
Seymour
who's
there,
and
the
question
is:
was
the
split
approved
or
denied
and
the.
A
We
haven't
adopted
the
by
Louis
yet,
and
that
was
one
of
the
things
that
is
on
my
I'm
didn't
agenda
for
today,
but
but
in
the
bylaws
we
can
provide.
What
we
have
done
in
the
past
is
that
if
you
have
three
members
present,
you
have
a
quorum
and
that
a
motion
is
passed
if
a
majority
of
those
voting
for
it
took
those
voting
vote
for
it,
which
would
mean
it
would
be
passed,
but
we
haven't
adopted
this
biology
and
so
I
think
the
question
is:
do
you
look
that
abstention.
A
B
I
K
G
B
I
A
D
H
A
A
A
I
L
Since
then
we
have
explored
a
lot
deeper
and
I
have
with
me.
Mr.
Mike
know
the
architect
of
the
project,
and
he
has
done
a
little
bit
work
on
how
we're
going
to
put
a
green
roof
on
the
building,
and
it
is
possible
to
do
that
and
if
you'd
like
to
hear
from
him,
he
can
explain
you.
He
has
some
pictures
of
what
we
plan
to
do.
There
I
mean
what
we
can,
what
the
plan
can
be
to
do.
There.
C
Over
the
probably
the
last
six
or
seven
years,
with
the
new
push
on
our
green
environment
and
designing
LEED
buildings,
buildings
that
are
more
concerned
with
its
environment
around
this
product
has
come
out
of
the
market.
What's
kind
of
exciting
about
this
particular
product.
In
the
old
days
when
we
did
a
roof
design
and
we're
to
put
landscaping
on
it,
it
normally
ended
up
being
like
big
landscape
planter
boxes
that
tended
to
be
a
couple
feet
of
dirt:
extensive
roofing
systems
and
drainage
systems
underneath
them.
C
This
particular
system
is
now
been
set
up
to
be
much
similar
to
what
you
buy
it
at
the
local
Walmart
and
Lowe's
and
Home
Depot
in
those
locations.
When
you
buy
a
planter
box,
full
bunch
of
flowers
that
you
can
buy
a
flat
of
it,
it's
been
very
much
set
up
with
that
in
mind
and
pretty
much.
What
occurs
is
that
there
are
different
levels
of
which
the
green
roofs
can
be
done.
There
are
those
that
are
more
or
less
grasses,
they're
very
short
kind
of
landscaping.
C
Then
you
have
a
medium
kind
of
landscaping
in
and
with
larger
landscaping,
which
requires
a
little
bit
more
media
for
the
plants
to
grow
in
what's
exciting
about
the
particular
project.
Is
it
does
help
the
environment
in
the
fact
that
it
cools
the
roof?
Temperatures
reduces
down
the
heat,
build
ups
on
the
roofs
that
then
basically
go
into
the
environment
and
increases
are
issues
that
we
have
with
our
planet.
At
this
time
we
have
planned
for
those
who
are
here
and
I.
C
Think
we've
sent
a
couple
individuals,
an
invitation
to
it
on
April
17th
at
the
Holiday
Inn
is
a
seminar
put
on
by
ston
on
this
particular
system
on
exactly
how
it
works
with
it.
Basically,
it
one
is
I
indicated
it
does
save
with
the
amount
of
heat
just
put
off
on
on
roofs.
Second,
it
also
reduces
the
amount
of
water
runoff
and,
although
that's
a
concern
that
Athens
has
with
the
issue
of
quick
runoff,
flash
flooding
and
what's
going
on
with
the
Hocking
River,
so
it
in
some
ways
takes
care
up
to
the
issues.
C
That
is
a
concern
to
our
environment.
This
area
with
that
then
now
the
full
roof,
of
course,
would
not
be
a
green
roof,
because
we
have
areas
that
are
the
residential
areas
up
on
the
upper
part.
The
green
roof
would
be
the
patio
areas
behind
these
particular
residential
areas
and
in
those
roofs
on
top
of
the
the
last
of
elevation
would
didn't,
have
our
standard
roof
on
it
mainly
for
us.
C
C
What
happens
to
our
grasses
in
our
yards
and
stuff?
We
get
enough
rain.
Unfortunately,
in
the
hapless
and
snow
that
the
plants
go
dormant
and
then
once
temperatures
come
back
out
is
we're
now
having
now.
They
then
kick
back
into
growing
at
that
point
in
and
the
other
nice
thing
about
is
I
I
would
assume
like
any
plant.
You're
gonna
have
some
areas
that
are
possibly
over
time,
we're
going
to
die
out,
because
these
are
set
out
into
flats.
They
can
easily
those
sections
removed.
C
For
this
back
saying
reason,
issues
we
were
having,
then
was:
we
were
using
three
foot
of
dirt
and
then
we
had
a
roof
leak.
I
think
I
did
get
a
bulldozer
up
there
and
dig
away
at
a
structure
to
find
it
and
stuff,
so
they
weren't
too
popular.
But
these
these
are
going
to
take
care
of
a
lot
of
those
issues.
C
Actually,
it's
good
point:
I
should
have
brought
that
up.
Actually,
it
improves
the
cost
on
heating
and
air-conditioning,
specifically
air
conditioning,
because
what
you
have
is
a
buffer
between
the
hot
Sun,
a
hot
roof.
Although
many
roofs
use
a
white
roof
to
help
reduce
on
the
air
conditioning,
but
with
the
green
roof
itself.
Yes,
it
keeps
the
building
a
lot.
Cooler
therefore
reduces
the
carbon
footprint
of
the
building
in
the
heating
of
it
did
or
the
air
conditioning
of
it
did.
G
C
G
L
A
A
A
B
A
A
F
B
I
don't
know
if
I
mentioned
it
the
last
meeting,
but
I
did
check
right
afterwards.
I
had
mentioned
1,250
square
feet
per
unit
mm-hmm.
That
was
the
minimum,
and
this
one
would
be
just
below
that
as
I
recall
from
the
calculations
that
I
did
so
that
would
be
another
variance
if
the
number
of
units
fell.
Number
of
units
divided
in
the
total
land
area
fell
below
1,250,
and
that
does
not
take
into
consideration
any
land
area
for
the
commercial
uses.
That's
just
strictly
for
the
residential
use.
B
L
L
C
How
I
envisioned,
if
you
looked
in
the
brochure
there
is
actually
would
be
patio
areas
on
the
glute
green
roof
so
that
each
probably
I
would
say
about
60%
of
those
units
would
have
accessibility
to
the
roof
and
therefore
their
living
space
would
be
an
outside
patio
area
with
that,
and
they
would
be
then
surrounded
by
landscaping
of
grasses
and
flowers
and
stuff.
So
I
guess.
L
I
G
C
On
the
backside
on
the
backside,
because,
if
you
remember
on
that,
when
we
took
the
elevations,
we
had
several
elements
that
were
higher
to
break
up
the
facade
and
our
goal
was
to
eliminate
the
linear
in
design
of
a
building
in
to
create
block
elements
that
would
create
more
of
a
vertical
as
well
as
a
horizontal
on
the
backside.
Of
that
would
be
the
patio
Santa's.
C
True,
we
haven't
gotten
that
far
yet
with
it,
then
at
this
point
we
show
no
in
the
design,
no
rear
patio
or
balconies
of
those
units.
The
most
part
the
units
would
go
up
their
own
interior
stairwells
to
the
half
of
the
third
and
a
half
in
an
outdoor
out
on
to
a
rear
patio,
with
the
grass
areas
around
flowers
around
it.
So.
C
I
think
in
some
ways
you
don't
want
it
to
be
common.
It's
under
the
Ohio
Building
Code.
We
do
have
to
provide
barriers,
so
a
student
does
not
fall
off
the
road
in
that
particular
case,
but
also
I
believe,
will
create
barriers
between
those
units
for
the
purpose
of
avoiding
issues
that
might
be
with
someone
breaking
into
other
units
too
large
of
parties.
In
one
section
you
know
that
those
kind
of
things
to
create
a
little
bit
better
environment,
a
little
more
I,
say
semi-private
space
I
mean
if
you
do
good
design.
C
C
We've
taken
two
bedrooms
and
main
two
bedrooms
with
a
larger
than
what
you
would
save
is
minimal
for
a
bedroom.
I
think
we
lost
the
bedrooms
are
10
by
12s.
If
my
memory
serves
me
right
where
you
can
get
by
as
small
as
it's
7
by
10,
if
you
wanted
to
under
the
code-
and
so
in
that
sense,
yes,
they
do
have
nice
living
room
areas
and
stuff
so
I
because
of
the
nature
where
they
are
with
the
proximity.
L
L
I
L
C
L
L
L
You
know
if
you
have
a
green
roof,
should
some
of
the
first
one
to
do
it
in
the
residential
methods,
and
we
all
like
to
see
more
of
that
might
be
one
way
to
to
invite
other
people
to
do
it
is
to
say:
well,
you
can
come
in
towards
something
by
having
this
roof,
you
get
credit
towards
something
and
I
don't
mean
taxes.
I
mean
you
know
like
what
I
like
was
something
else.
I.
D
Wasn't
here
and
I
apologize
for
the
last
meeting
when
this
was
presented,
I
hear
I
have
a
I'm
very
concerned
about,
as
noted
in
the
minutes
25
on
the
street
parking
spots.
Your
intention
is
to
take
up
all
the
on
street
parking
there
before
there's
other
businesses
and
there's
other
impacts
for
that's
already
existing
no.
L
That's
not
my
intention.
The
only
reason
I
mention
it
less
time.
Well,
we
put
the
street.
We
we
put
on
our
drawings.
What
is
there
and
how?
What
is
there
now
now
I'm
going
to
continue
be
there
so
by
in
doing
their
project
we
don't
take
any
hope
anything
away
from
the
street.
That's
existing
right!
Now,
one
of
the
things
that's
become
either
stings.
Since
you
mention
is
parking
spots.
They
we
have
the
building
right
now,
then
we
have
a
working
area
on
the.
L
If
you
talking
Palmer
Street
and
then
you
have
a
firm,
correct,
st
of
fourteen
feet
of
vertical
parking
day,
15
the
thing
that
15
spots
on
harbor
state,
which
they
done,
we
mean
if
your
honor
between
hurting
Valley
Bank
and
my
building,
that
parking
against
the
building
their
own
State
Building.
It
is
a
dive
in
party
diving
against
the
building
that
parking
spot.
They
actually
pay
the
the
actually
sidewalk
I.
L
L
L
So
the
new
project
will
have
a
sidewalk
here,
60
feet,
sidewalk
on
our
own
property,
which
what
I
want
you
to
understand.
If
I
say
you
know,
I
don't
want
to
put
sidewalk
on
my
property.
I'll
put
the
venture,
my
property
or
a
little
flowers
in
my
property,
so
that
people
don't
walk
on
it.
Then
the
city
would,
if
was
to
put
the
sidewalk
and
I
have
to
be
the
sidewalk
where
the
parking
is
right
now.
L
B
Went
down
the
site
and
measured
from
the
curb
line,
which
is
approximately
the
property
line,
I
tried
to
obtain
a
survey
from
Andy
Stoney
and
he
had
the
area
surveyed
also
in
relationship
to
dealings
with
the
had
Co
and
the
possibility
of
gaining
access
from
Stimson
down
to
the
bowling
alley.
So
the
city
does
have
a
survey
of
that
area.
B
If
you
measure
from
the
curb
out
toward
Palmer,
where
do
you
stop
where
you
draw
the
line
when
you're
measuring
a
distance,
there's
no
curve
there
to
measure
to
so?
Essentially,
I
went
out
in
the
street.
Look
down
the
street
by
rollerball,
where
I
did
see
a
curb
16
to
18
feet
from
the
property
line,
slash
curb
line
that
exists
out
to
what
would
be
a
projection
of
the
curb
line
from
down
rollerball,
but
it's
really
hard
to
tell
right
there
with
no
curb.
You
know
people
kind
of
wander
back
and
forth.
B
B
F
B
Know,
that's
all
something
in
the
works:
sidewalks
some
sidewalks
around
people's
private
property,
some
are
on
the
right
away
of
the
city
and
in
the
case
of
right
away,
sidewalks,
it's
the
adjacent
property
owner.
That's
responsible
for
that
council's
done,
some
sidewalks
by
assessment,
I
believe
some.
They
there's
there's
all
different
kinds
of
scenarios
on
sidewalks,
I.
B
Think
what
I
know
Andy
would
like
to
see
happen
is
if
this
project
does
precede
coordination
and
cooperation
between
the
city
and
the
developer,
to
come
up
with
the
best
possible
use
of
that
land
in
there
for
an
area
that's
identified
as
high
pedestrian,
and
particularly
in
the
case
of
where
we
have
people
with
disabilities
trying
to
get
to
different
available
facilities
in
the
neighborhood.
So
it's
part
of
it.
You
know
this
is
all
kind
of
pieces
of
an
overall
plan
coming
together
that
no
one
may
have
suspected
could
happen.
A
I
F
F
B
B
A
Only
for
the
fire
department
to
look
at
it,
but
you
remember
when
we
had
that
request
on
Mill
Street,
we
asked
to
have
the
water
sewer
departments,
look
at
the
infrastructure
and
comment
on
this
condition
and
its
suitability
for
having
that
additional
load.
I'd
like
to
have
that
kind
of
report
to
because
Debbie,
Phillips
and
I
are
working
together
on
collecting
information
for
areas
that
are
recommended
in
the
plan
for
higher
density,
so
that
we
know
if
something
is
going
to
be
built.
What
else
needs
to
go
with
it?
What.
B
I
can
do
is
once
I
have
received
an
application.
I
can
bring
that
to
staff
meeting
the
staff
meets
every
week
and
then
request
for
each
department
to
review
it
and
provide
their
findings
in
writing.
Then
those
can
all
be
reviewed
and
a
boiled
down
administrative
document
can
be
produced.
Not
that
does
you
know
we
don't
want
real
detailed
input
from
each
department,
but
that
may
not
be
all
the
info.
You
know
you
might
not
want
all
of
that
going
necessarily
back
to
the
developer,
but
it
might
all
go
back
and
it's
a
process.
Normally.