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A
Beverly
Henderson
Service,
Safety
Director
is
not
here,
but
we
do
all
the
other
members
are
present.
So
we
do
have
a
forum
if
you
plan
to
make
any
statement
retakes
sworn
or
affirmed
that
you
will
tell
the
truth.
If
you
plan
to
say
something
with
standing,
raise
your
hands,
you
affirm
that
you
will
tell
the
truth.
B
A
Okay,
we
have
one
case
today:
it's
number
zero,
eight
zero
one
tender,
Ford
Limited,
176
Millstreet,
and
it's
a
proposal
to
demolish
an
existing
building
in
my
constructor
for
unit
building
and
there's
some
question
about
setback
and
reason
on
that
is
there?
Anyone
here
wishes
to
tell
us
about
it
yourself.
C
Hello,
my
name
is
Caroline
Thomason
I'm
here
to
represent
Penn
deferred
limited,
as
you
mentioned,
we've
already
gone
to
the
Board
of
Zoning
Appeals,
and
we
received
a
unanimous
vote
for
the
variance
with
the
setbacks
I'm
here
today
to
be
the
very
first
sight
one,
our
title:
41
site
plan
approval
it's
a
distinct
honor
to
be
part
of
this.
The
proposed
project,
which
is
located
at
176
Millstreet,
will
transform
the
end
of
Mill
Street
with
a
well-planned
community
and
concert
with
the
vision
of
the
city
of
Athens
Comprehensive
Plan.
C
C
The
result
is
a
state-of-the-art,
state-of-the-art
home
with
fire
protection,
green
spaces
developed
with
the
tree
Commission
and
more
parking
that
is
required
by
code.
We
were
honored
by
unanimous
vote
of
approval
from
the
Board
of
Zoning
Appeals,
and
look
forward
to
creating
more
student
bedrooms
in
a
student
housing
area,
the
city
of
Athens
Comprehensive,
Plan
targets,
the
Mill
Street
neighborhood
for
intensive
redevelopment
with
a
dense
student
population.
In
turn,
helping
to
reduce
the
pressures
on
the
local
communities
and
home
owners.
C
D
E
D
C
A
C
D
D
D
C
Believe
it
was
about
two
years
ago,
when
I
worked
with
Ray
hayslett
to
establish
large-scale,
dumpsters
and
vicinities
near
our
properties,
so
that
we
could
step
away
from
the
weekly
curbside
service.
We
believed
that
the
trash
just
wasn't
getting
to
the
curb,
and
this
was
one
attempt
to
give
them
another
option
so
that
it
didn't
accumulate
and
they
had
a
place
to
place
it.
This
dumpster
is
monitored
and
is
sometimes
during
the
needed
area
needed
time
to
move
and
move
out.
It
is
emptied
more
than
once
a
week
when
needed.
D
C
C
Thank
you
and
in
making
sure
that
we
don't
have
any
overflow,
absolutely
and
I
may
say
it's
been
very,
very
successful
for
us.
I
do
recommend
it
to
other
property
managers.
It's
and
it's
a
wonderful
opportunity
for
just
as
the
crews
going
around.
Also
we
just
carry
trash
bags
and
use
our
local
dumpsters.
So
it's
been
wonderful.
A
A
C
A
A
A
C
C
We
will
concentrate
our
landscaping
if
you
refer
back
to
the
Landscaping
plan,
which
I
believe
off
the
top
of
my
head
section.
Oh,
that
I
just
handed
to
you
also
that
we
will
concentrate
heavily
in
the
front.
We
are
planning
for
also
seasonal
varieties
so
that
you
have
perennials,
there's
something
there
to
see
in
the
spring
before
the
treants
trees,
bloom.
We
have
great
desire
to
make
the
curb
appeal
much
more
than
what
you
see
in
those
not
great
pictures
that
I
had
to
offer
for
you
and
they're,
not
great.
A
Well,
my
only
thing
if
I
were
living
in
that
apartment,
the
way
it's
easy
setup
I
would
sort
of
like
the
factories
over
there
are
the
offices
of
those
organizations
to
be
blocked
out.
Some
I
like
to
look
nice
on
the
street
where
it
faces,
but
if
I
were
living
in
and
I
would
like
both
sides,
so
that
currently.
F
E
D
E
F
D
F
G
A
G
F
F
G
D
G
F
A
F
D
D
F
F
D
D
F
F
C
D
G
A
B
At
that
point,
that's
when
it
the
process
says
that
it
will
come
back
to
the
Planning
Commission
and
then
there's
a
second
15
day
clock
that
starts
to
tick
in
which
the
Planning
Commission
has
to
take
action.
So
in
a
way
of
kind
of
jump.
The
gun
here
yeah,
but
it
being
the
first
case
and
not
really
having
a
checklist
but
having
it
laid
out.
Mr.
B
You
know
if
you
saw
something
in
there,
that
you
thought
you
would
recommend
to
miss
Henderson.
That's
additional
information,
that's
required
and
she
would
know
to
do
that
because
it
says
in
writing.
You'll
notify
the
applicant
of
any
additional
things.
I
think
it'd
be
great.
If
you
had
a
motion
that
you
considered
this
a
complete
package
that
way
miss
Henderson,
wouldn't
necessarily
have
to
go.
You
know
back
through
and
say
Steve.
What's
this
miss
Thompson?
B
What's
this
she
would
know,
then,
to
go
ahead
and
stamp
it
complete
and
then
be
able
to
say
you
know:
Andy
stone,
Street
director.
Can
you
review
this
or
Steve
Pearson
Zoning
Administrator?
Is
there
some
input
that
I
need
from
you
that
way
to
you'll?
Have
information,
for
example,
for
street
from
water
and
sewer
department
as
our
sufficient
water
there
or
sewer
capacity?
You
know
this
is
really.
This.
Is
a
nice
easy
one
to
start
with
to
kind
of
get
up
and
running
with
a
lot
of
other
projects
going
to
be
much
more
complicated?
G
B
I,
don't
know,
but
that's
a
good
example.
If
you
know,
for
example,
maybe
you
don't
want
to
you
know
you
want
to
get
something
to
serve
a
safety
director.
Henderson
that
says,
could
you
have
Nick
Carr,
Water
and
Sewer
directors?
Give
us
answer
this
question
for
us.
Is
there
sufficient
sewage
capacity
there
are
there
any
problems
that
need
to
be
addressed.
G
B
There
has
been
significant
storm
sewer
work
in
the
area
that
the
university
also
cooperated
in
the
first
stretch,
down
Stuart
Street
and
then
the
sewer,
the
storm
sewer
kind
of,
took
an
angle
through
st.
Paul's
Church
parking
lot
over
behind
Knights
of
Columbus
and
then
turned
and
went
straight
down,
Elliot
Street.
So
that
was
a
combination,
City
University
project
several
years
ago,
but
no
to
my
knowledge,
no
significant
sanitary
sewer
work
has
been
done
in
that
area.
So.
B
D
B
So
maybe
you
do
need
to
statement
in
writing
and
that's
why
the
15-day
clock
I
think
it
starts
up,
because
then
mister
car
would
have
15
days
to
review
the
plans
and
respond
to
your
question
about
sanitary
sewer
and
that
will
give
the
city
a
good
indication
of
where
you
might
need
to
identify
infrastructure
needs
going
through
this
process.
If
you
see
repeatedly,
you
know
sanitary
issues
in
a
certain
part
of
town,
then
you'll
know
that
some
concentration
other
than
site
plan
review
might
be
necessary
in
that
area.
So
it's
a
good
planning
tool.
G
G
D
B
F
D
A
B
A
B
B
Could
be
that
you
know
if
you
were
5
feet
tall
that
would
be
a
9
foot
drop
or
less
your
arms
would
be
stretched
out,
but
that's
all
the
housing
code
says
it
doesn't
talk
about
exterior
fire
escapes
now.
One
thing:
no,
to
give
you
a
little
better
comfort
level
on
this,
because
there
are
four
units
in
the
building.
B
These
plans
will
have
to
be
submitted
to
the
Ohio
Department
of
construction,
compliance
division
of
the
Department
of
Commerce,
and
that
will
be
reviewed
for
compliance
with
the
state
Building
Code,
which
also
includes
consideration
that
mirrors
the
Ohio
fire
code.
For
example,
there's
fire
separation
between
the
units
and
you'll
know
that
for
sure
and
the
state
will
review
that
and
they'll
be
part
of
the
plans,
the
middle,
if
any
kind
of
special
alarm
system
or
a
sprinkler
system,
or
anything
like
that
is
required
by
the
State
Building
Code
it.
B
That
will
be
noted
and
have
to
be
correct
it
if
not
submitted
properly.
So
these
plans
will
meet
the
ohio
building
code
requirements
for
one
of
those
components
being
fire
safety,
so
there'll
be
a
state
review
just
and
if
you
know,
for
example,
if
the
state
would
require
a
fire
escape
well,
then
the
plans
would
have
to
include
a
fire
escape
if
the
state
plans
or
the
State
Building
Code
does
not
require
it,
then
it
would
be.
It
would
be
optional.
D
D
C
A
A
A
B
A
A
He
needs
to
have
a
copy
of
this
memo
anyway.
Yeah.
The
question
was
that
this
was
a
plan
here
at
development
and
but
those
plan
where
they
want
to
do
the
building
is
what's
that
part
of
the
original
thing?
And
the
thing
is
that
list
wasn't
because
if
it's
a
railroad
still
went
through,
it
was
railroad
land,
it
wasn't
part
of
it
or
was
it
a
part
of
it?
So
does
this
have
to
be
a
completely
separate
pod
or
is
it
connected
on
to
the
other
one
or
wonderful.
D
A
D
E
B
Kind
of
been
defensive
the
process
here,
so
you
understand
what
happens
a
lot
of
times.
Former
law
director
hunter
had
me
communicate
to
a
particularly
assigned
city
prosecutor.
If
I
had
a
question
about
something
now
the
question
about,
can
this
be
part
of
the
station
Street
PUD
or
is
it
a
separate
standalone?
Pud
was
a
question
that
the
Planning
Commission
posed
quite
a
while
back
and
the
reason
that
I
brought
it
up
again
was
because
I
didn't
know
if
it
had
been.
B
The
answered
and
I
wanted
to
use
the
same
procedure
that
we
had
so
I
didn't
have
any
way
to
I
was
working
through
Tracy.
Who
was
my
contact
and
I
just
wanted
her
to
know
to
let
mr.
Lang,
you
know
be
aware
that
the
situations
previously
existed
and
probably
not
an
answer
yet
to
the
question
not
to
put
on
a
whole
lot
of
pressure.
You
know
it
wasn't
anything
like
that
at
all.
B
That
it's
a
separate
you
know
entity
that
you're
dealing
with
it's
not
part
of
the
station
project.
It
might
be
one
perspective
on
it
in
any
case,
if
it
does
stand
alone,
it's
going
to
need
at
a
minimum
of
variance
for
a
lot
area,
because
it's
less
than
than
two
acres,
then
of
course
I'll
you
know
have
to
look
at
the
parking
and
the
landscaping
and
the
setbacks
and
those
kinds
of
things.
When
you
know
there's.
A
Well,
the
question
of
the
rezoning,
though,
does
it
it
doesn't
really
depend
upon
the
HUD.
Does
it
I
mean
it's
still
manufacturing
down
there
and
we've
in
the
past
been
going
through
the
zoning
map
and
picking
out
their
manufacturing
and
trying
to
change
them?
I
mean
just
because
it
doesn't
make
any
sense
to
have
it
in
there,
because
it's
all
surrounded
like
that,
so
I
don't
died
or
dos
that
hangs
on
the.
Whether
or
not
it's
part
of
the
old
cutter
is
a
new
one
or
is
I,
didn't
think.
A
B
B
B
Pud
is
an
overlay
zone
now
and
it
doesn't
matter
what's
underneath,
but
what
is
important
if
a
PUD
is
superimposed
over
top
of
base
zone,
what
happens
if
there's
some
proposal
later
on
that
goes
back
to
base
zone
II,
so
I
think
it
is
very
important,
no
matter
what
the
process
is
to
establish
what
might
be
a
use
in
that
area.
Apart
from
that
Planned
Unit
development
that
might
be
approved
on
the
land
at
that
time,
so
that's
the
only
reason
I
brought
it
brought
it
up.
B
A
G
A
D
B
I
wasn't
here
either
at
the
time,
but
my
understanding
was
that
one
of
the
recommendations
was
at
the
area
with
the
Planned
Unit
development
be
rezone
to
r3
and
I.
Believe
council
approved
that
rezoning
and
then
there
was
it
was
placed
on
the
ballot
by
initiative
and
the
decision
the
council
was
overturned,
so
the
manufacturing
zone
stayed.
B
Zoning
code
now
specifically
says
PUD
s
are
permitted
as
early
as
an
r1
zone
as
a
principle
permitted
use
if
you
go
through
a
process.
So
that's
that's.
Why
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
and
it
sounds
like
maybe
the
if
there
is
rezone
it
might
not
be
rezone
dar
three
it'd
be
you
know
whatever
the
Planning
Commission
might
recommend.
B
I
can
provide
you
with
map
zones
in
the
area
and
there's
a
process
that
the
zoning
code
describes
for
map
amendment
amendments
can
be
initiated
by
the
Planning
Commission,
the
City
Council
or
by
an
applicant,
so
I'll
go
ahead
and
just
proceed
as
if
the.
Why
do
you
want
me
to
do
that?
I?
Guess
you
want
the
applicants
to
turn
in
the
information
or
do
you
want
me
to
go
ahead
and
pursue
it
on
behalf?
The
Planning
Commission
is
the
initiator
of
the
rezoning.
G
E
D
D
A
It's
there
it's,
the
azan
station
is
asking
us
to
do
that
in
the
past,
the
ones
we
weren't
we
didn't
change.
All
those
I
think
we
did
different
things
in
these
M's
and
ones
that
we
were
changed
depending
on
its
surrounding
what
was
surrounding
and
what
the
rest
of
the
area
was.
So
just
to
look
at
this
now
and
say:
well,
that
can
be
our
three
we'd
have
to
go
through
and
look
at
the
map
as
he
wants
us
to
see.
E
A
B
A
year
or
two
ago,
mr.
Cornwall
came
back
and
wanted
to
modify
his
original
Planned
Unit
development,
the
construction
of
three
buildings
that
I
think
it's
85,
a
B
and
C
north
court
Street
the
first
floor
of
each
of
those
buildings
was
to
be
reserved
for
commercial
use.
However,
over
a
period
of
years,
mr.
Cornwell
was
not
able
to
obtain
commercial
tenants
for
the
first
floor
of
buildings,
B
and
C.
B
He
came
back
to
Planning
Commission
to
amend
his
Planned
Unit
development
and
you
recommended
approval
to
council
and
they
approved
the
residential
use
of
the
first
floor
in
those
buildings.
Two
and
three.
My
review
of
the
original
case
at
the
time,
indicated
that
there
were
seven
parking
spaces
required
for
courtside
pizza
and
so
seven
parking
spaces.
If
you
go
up
there
and
look
I
think
they
did
identify.
Some
of
the
parking
is
going
with
the
courtside,
with
courtside
pizza.
E
A
A
Other
times
too,
but
that's
I,
don't
know
they
might
bring
that
up
because
they
do
I,
don't
know
if
they
renewed
the
contract,
but
they've
had
a
year's
contract.
There
was
I
think
we
have
couple,
maybe
Sunday
and
Monday.
We
have
it
the
parking
lot,
but
they
write
in
at
the
rest
of
the
time
over
my
objection,
of
course,
but
they
still
do
it
I
would.
B
G
G
B
Know
right
now
the
zoning
code
doesn't
require
any
distance
separations
between
out
doreen
and
drinking
areas
and
zones
with
other
uses.
There
is
a
distant
separation
just
from
the
physical
facility
itself
from
other
zones
and
in
this
particular
case,
the
r-1
zone.
It's
immediately
adjacent
to
the
north,
but
it
doesn't.
The
zoning
code
doesn't
specifically
talk
about
indoor/outdoor
right
now.
Noise
is
something
separate.
That's
not
in
the
zoning
code.
It's
in
a
different
section
of
the
code,
it's
enforced
by
the
police
department.
A
E
B
A
I,
don't
know
I
don't
hear,
because
I
live
up
around
three
I,
don't
hear
bronies
where
I
live.
It
doesn't
come
in
that
way.
It
just
goes
straight
up
and
I.
Don't
I've
never
heard
anybody
complain
about
the
courts
I'd
partner
because
it
really
is
closed
in
and
I,
don't
think
I
mean
I,
don't
think
the
song
could
really
get
through
very
far
on
there.
E
G
B
It
may
even
be
that
I
mean
this
might
be
something
for
you
to
think
about
too.
Even
if
the
zone
has
changed
and
the
parking
garage
is
sufficient
to
reduce
the
number
of
parking
spots,
would
it
still
be
an
amendment
to
the
Planned
Unit
development
that
would
have
to
come
back
to
the
Planning
Commission
I'm,
just
I'm
trying
to
get
as
many
ideas
out.
D
B
D
A
G
A
D
E
A
It's
a
Saturday
and
we
already
open
on
sorry
and
Historical
Society.
It
can
be
very
noisy
it
kind
of
like
in
the
morning.
A
D
A
A
Thought
my
term
expired
on
the
15th,
which
means
the
17th
I
would
not
be
in
the
meeting.
But
then
they
tell
me
no,
it's
the
30th
and
so
I
should
come
to
the
next
meeting.
But
until
such
time
as
another
person
is
appointed
and
all
that,
then
you
stay
until
that
person
comes
in.
So
we
assume
that
you
will
have
time
in
the
middle
year
to
do
that.
So
I
shall
come
to
the
next
meeting
and
I
will
want
my
residuals
determined
by
those
fellows
on
TV
and
there
that's.
A
D
A
A
A
A
That
there's
someplace
along
the
line
when
all
of
these
things
were
and
I'm
determined,
but
I
could
remember
no
I,
guess
that
was
the
Board
of
Zoning
Appeals
I
want
to
be
four
more
years
ago
that
in
fact,
that's
by
state
law.
That's
what
we
do.
We
set
up
our
own
procedures
and
all
I
know
is
that
that
we
mainly
follow
Robert's
Rules
of
Order
and
I,
don't
know
how
they
determine
how
to
vote.
As
I
said
you
came
in
the
door
late
they're,
not
your
the
chairs,
I
mean
we've
had
things
like.
A
We
have
how
many
votes
you
have
to
have
to
to
approve
something
we
also
had.
Can
we
limit
in
length
of
time
that
people
can
speak
and
some
procedural
things
like
that,
good
that
I've
never
seen
written
down?
That
I
was
always
told
well,
this
is
what
we
do
so
it's
possible
that
you
might
want
to
write
this
oral.
B
The
the
state
enabling
legislation,
I
believe
is,
in
seven
chapter,
seven
alone,
the
Ohio
Revised
Code,
and
it
talks
about
the
authority
to
establish
Planning
Commission's.
That's
the
section
that
also
includes
your
responsibility
to
go
out
three
miles
beyond
town,
that
for
a
planning
purposes,
so
that
that
section,
seater,
7-eleven
or
713
in
the
ohio
revised
code
lays
down
some
basic
guidelines
for
the
establishment
of
Planning
Commission's
and
how
they'll
operate.
I.
G
F
A
F
D
Of
the
considerations
was
trying
to
switch
the
time
to
something
different
time.
That's
why
it's
one
two
third
I
know
for
sunny
many
citizens
who
were
they.
They
can't
just
skip
out
for
lunch,
because
it's
too
far
away
from
you
really
to
leave
home,
leave
work
early
and
I
know
you
know,
there's
only
boys
at
night.
A
E
A
D
A
Want
understand
that
it's
just
that
was
that's
the
tradition
that
was
and
I
think
I
carry
memory
years
ago
was
always
in
the
afternoon.
As
far
as
I
know,
I
always
thought
that
it
was
probably
in
deference
to
the
service
safety
director
in
to
the
mayor
and
to
code
enforcement
and
law.
However,
it
was
set
up
in
those
times,
because
your
time,
you
really
are
expected
to
go
to
an
awful
lot
of
things
at
nighttime,
and
it
just
seemed
like
that.
A
Is
not
a
lot
of
what
the
Planning
Commission
does
it's
not
something
that
all
the
citizens
are
going
to
get?
We
have
to
follow
state
law.
We
have
to
follow
the
law.
We
have
to
follow
this
thing
and
you
can
only
do
so
much,
and
so
it
isn't
always
something
that
somebody
wants
to
disappear.
Do
I
think
that
was
the
reasoning
behind
that
list.
That's
what
I
thought.
G
F
E
E
A
Thought
it
was
just
at
least
it
would
be
one
thing
where
you
wouldn't
have
to
go
at
night
if
you
needed
something,
you
could
run
that
with
that.
Since
you
moved
out
in
the
country
there
with
your
offices,
you
can
run
down
and
get
the
things
we
needed
and
everything
I
think
you're
in
the
country
out
there
on
Weston
well,.
B
You
could,
for
example,
mr.
Connor.
She
and
I
are
both
members
city
reps
to
the
Regional
Planning
Commission,
and
we
meet
at
8
o'clock
in
the
morning
blurry-eyed,
but
they
have
coffee
and
doughnuts
saying
we
have
meeting
at
8:00
a.m.
so
in
a
lot
of
times.
People
do
come,
you
know
and
testify
very
quickly
and
then
leave
for
there
they're
not
that
late
to
work.
B
A
Well,
I'm
people
have
over
the
years
we
have
had
people
requested,
and
then
we
do
us
a
letter
or
with
our
procedure
is,
if
they
send
it
a
letter.
We
read
into
the
to
the
to
the
meeting
into
the
minutes
and
we
talk
about
it
and
that
sort
of
thing.
So,
ok,
now
this
number
5
opportunity
for
citizens
to
speak
about
items
not
covered
on
the
agenda.
Anybody
want
to
speak
you're
all
looking
at
me
and
nobody
wants
to
speak
minutes.
Where
are
the
minutes?
We
have
minutes
of
the
meeting
of
Thursday
December
6.