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A
B
A
C
A
D
I
believe
they've
previously
been
a
discussion,
have
been
a
discussion
about
restaurants,
eating
and
drinking
places.
Excuse
me
the
term
eating
and
drinking
places
I'm
in
the
code
and
without
a
definition
of
either
wine
I
mean
most
people
know
what
eating
is.
But
what
is
drinking?
Is
it
drinking
Pepsi,
chocolate,
milk
alcohols
or
liquor
license
involved?
D
So
what
I
provided
to
you
was
starting
in
b1
zones,
any
kind
of
reference
to
eating
drinking
places.
Restaurants
bars
that
kind
of
thing,
so
you've
got
examples
of
what
the
code
used
to
say
prior
to
the
I
believe
2004
revisions,
and
then
you've
got
copies
about
what
I've
put
on.
There
is
new
code
or
current
code,
and
then
you
should
have
also.
D
D
And
then
the
other
thing
that
I've
just
provided
and
I
think
the
mayor
may
have
gotten
two
copies
of
it
too,
is
the
bold
strikeout
version
from
when
the
code
was
actually
changed.
So
what
you're,
seeing
there
is
the
actual
ordinance
so
I
think
what
we're
trying
to
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish
here
is
well
I
mean
we
want
to
make
sure
that
you
can
have
coffee
and
donuts
on
Simpson
Avenue,
for
example,
right,
that's
what
we're
we're
trying
to
get
to
and
there's
just
always
been.
D
D
Several
years
ago,
I
was
subject
of
a
taxpayer's
lawsuit
related
to
a
what
was
a
business
on
a
particular
Street
in
town
eating
and
drinking
was
what
was
going
on
there.
It
was
gonna,
be
one's
own
and
the
eventual
outcome
of
that
court
case
was
that
eating
and
drinking
because
at
the
time-
and
it
was
under
the
old
code
that
talked
about
ice
cream
parlors
and
things
like
that.
The
argument
was
made
from
the
one
side
that
drinking
that
soda
and
Pepsi
and
milk
non
alcohol.
D
C
D
That
something
you
want
to
have
in
a
b1
zone
and,
for
example,
b1
strip,
is
smiling
skull.
Grinders
on
the
Indian
restaurant,
you
know
a
couple
places
down
through
there.
I
was
gonna,
be
a
new
coffee
shop
down
there.
So
you
want
to
have
alcohol
there
cat's
dead.
You
want
to
have
alcohol
in
that
kind
of
a
neighborhood
or
you
don't
and
a
b1.
So
that's
why
I'd
copied
the
b1
section
also
and
a
little
bit
of
background
to
on
some
case
law.
Local
case
law
I
mean
obviously
what
we
want
to
get
to
is.
D
B
C
C
F
We
have
on
under
v2
is
that
eating
and
drinking
places
are
allowed
and
nightclubs.
Entertainment
is
allowed,
but
not
within
a
hundred
feet
of
any
our
district,
okay,
so
eating
and
drinking
the
kind
of
house
there's
no-
and
this
is
for
the
downtown,
the
beach
you
don't
have,
so
you
don't
have
like
eating
and
drinking.
You
don't
have
a
distance
requirement,
but
then
entertainment,
you
have
a
hundred
foot
distance
requirement
and
then
it
looks
like
what
happened
here.
That.
F
F
E
E
F
E
F
E
C
E
F
E
F
F
And
yeah
and
drinking
places
summer
gardens
in
Roadhouse's,
okay.
Now
whether
there's
definition
of
what
a
summer
garden
is
in
the
road
house,
we
can
define
those
at
one
point:
I
know
with
the
houses
are
generally
in
other
parts
of
the
country,
but
so
I
would
put
either
reinstate
the
original
language
which
I
have
down
here
in.
B
F
C
F
In
the
same
section-
and
it's
just
talking
about
outside
operations-
and
we
can
put
that
within
at
2
because
it's
another
200
feet,
however,
this
will
have
to
I
think
we
priced
should
make
a
new
section
on
outside
operations,
because
it's
still
talking
about
eating
and
drinking
establishments
and
not
just
drive-ins
and
such
because
if
we
do
this
new
thing,
we
the
new
wording
and
that
means
drive-in
eating
and
drinking
places.
Summer
Gardens
road
houses
will
feet
200
feet
from
r1
or
r2.
F
E
A
F
Fixing
the
eating
and
drinking
establishments
by
allowing
restaurants,
except
for
these
within
a
hundred
feet,
because
that's
what
the
original
beef
to
downtown
is
keeping
the
inner
came
at
night
100
feet
and
then,
when
we
do,
the
outside
operations
not
only
have
eating
and
drinking
establishments
put
in.
It's
also
entertainment
establishments,
so
you
have
eating
and
drinking
establishments
and
that
entertainment
establishments
are
the
nightclubs
and
all
the
other
things
that
may
or
may.
F
B
B
E
B
D
C
D
F
E
E
Okay,
holy
ok
contract
is
okay,
that'd
be
10.
This
is
on
page
23
16.
If
the
new
cover
that
Steve
gave
us
no,
no
subsection
10
a
must
only
be
wholly
within
the
completely
enclosed
building.
Such
a
storage
of
vehicles,
buildings
overseas,
at
least
a
hundred
feet
from
any
our
zone,
less
filling
us,
no
openings
either
the
station
everyone
does
required
for
fire
exists
when
conducted
an
area
completely
enclosed.
The
impression
I
got
on
that
one
is
that
any
operations.
This
is
a
section
that
says
things
have
to
be
done
inside
a
building.
E
Well,
that's
it!
This
is
another
section
that
says
inside
the
building
outside
operations,
so
we're
looking
at
another
section,
we're
going
to
add
into
your
I
mean
I'm,
not
disagreeing
with
what
you're
talking
about,
but
you
know
I'm,
just
writing
a
how
it'll
mess
with
these
other
sections
that
we
may
not
even
know
of
another
piece
in
there
right.
F
C
C
F
F
D
If
I
could
is
like
an
example
from
the
past,
hopefully
this
might
clarify
it.
Some
there's
that
section
the
code
that
says
all
business
must
be
conducted
within
a
completely
enclosed
building.
All
right,
then
what
happened?
What
then
people?
Well
there
was
the
thought,
then,
that
that
mean
week.
That
means
you
can't
have
outdoor
eating
and
drinking
everything
has
to
be
conducted
in
the
building.
What
ended
up
happening
was
the
conducting
business
took
place
in
the
building?
D
D
Is
that,
because
you
could
get
back
in
that
same
kind
of
possible
pitfall
where
things
could,
if
you
don't
want
them
to
occur
outside
without
a
license
or
if
you
want
a
special,
for
example,
if
you
want
to
conduct
business
outside
for
eating
and
drinking
making
a
conditional
use
go
to
the
Zoning
Board
to
have
them
review.
It
be
another
example
of
a
way
to
way
to
handle
it,
but
just
so
you
know
that's
what
happened
in
the
past.
You
know
it
says
all
in
a
building.
D
F
B
F
D
Don't
remember
the
exact
language
but
I
believe
in
the
downtown
section
of
the
downtown
district
and
the
comprehensive
plan
it
does
talk
about
outdoor
eating
and
drinking
and
I
think
it
encourages
it.
But
that's
why
I'm
I'm
sorry
I
can't
don't
have
the
details
in
my
mind,
but
there
are
some
parameters.
You
know
that
are
better
said.
G
A
G
D
That
was
one
of
the
differences.
If
you
just
look
at
the
Uptown
area,
there's
an
r1
to
the
north,
fairly
close,
but
it's
up
on
the
hill
mm-hmm.
But
as
you
come
down
the
street
there's
our
three
on
both
sides
of
Court
Street.
So
when
you
include
the
our
three
and
you
go
about
200
feet,
then
you
do
start
affecting
quite
a
few.
You
know
quite
a
few
places,
I
know
in
the
Uptown
area
and
then
I
guess
I'm
trying
to
I
don't
know
exactly
what
the
answer
I'm
just
trying
to
visualize
I'm
going
down.
D
Richland
Avenue,
you
know
I've
got
are
one
I
was
right
right
next
to
me,
buts,
b2
and
b3
all
the
way
down
through
there.
Of
course
everybody
knows
about
Stimpson,
Avenue,
that's
and
C.
Stimson
would
be
a
good
example
too
of
when
you
include
an
r3,
that's
everything
south
of
Stimpson,
so
that
all
of
a
sudden
you
start
taking
in
you
know,
businesses
that
could
could
be
operating
on
the
south
side
street
they're.
D
Far
enough
away
from
the
you
know
the
r1,
let's
say
above
Stimpson
but
they're
right
next
to
the
r3,
then,
because
all
of
that
used
to
be
manufacturing
all
down
through
there
and
that
there's
no
manufacturing
zone
left.
The
old
landmark
was
the
last
manufacturing
zone
until
you
get
clear
out
to
Athens
molten
machine,
so
that
r3
is.
C
D
All
the
way
up
to
Stimpson,
so
you
know,
there's
the
possibility
and
then
there's
the
question
of
how.
How
does
this
affect
businesses
that
are
operating?
Currently?
How
would
they
be
affected,
and
there
was
discussion
to
about,
especially
if
you
set
time
parameters
would
that
be
something
just
had
to
do
with
operations
where
it's
something
you
could
change
easily
and
you
couldn't
just
please.
D
A
F
Of
grandfather,
8
is
when
it's.
When
you
have
such
the
change
would
be
so
onerous
such
as
it
would
make
you
give
up
part
of
your
business
like
lose
your
liquor
license.
Change
from
you
know
those
sort
of
things
to
where
it's
a
definite
impact
on
your
rights
of
use
and
the
rights
of
the
landowner,
but
business
hours
and
those
sort
of
things.
Doesn't
it's
not
saying
you
don't
get
to
operate
your
business
anymore?
F
It's
just
saying
you
know
you
have
to
be
open
and
closed
at
certain
times,
so
that
shouldn't
there
shouldn't
be
a
big
question
about
grandfather
because
I,
don't
you
know
you
have
to
look
at
how
owner
us
this
regulation
is
on
land?
You
know
land
on
business
establishments
and
it's
you
know
if
we
said
outs,
how
Chelsey's
operate
outside
operations
at
two
o'clock
in
the
afternoon.
That's
a
lot
different
than
12
a.m.
you
know.
This
is
not
putting
a
huge
burden
upon
a
business
center.
F
E
E
And
again,
that's
why
I'm
a
little
fuzzy
on
of
hearing
this
thing
saying,
okay,
business
is
conducting
business
outside
versus
business
operation
sounds
like
we
might
have
to
define,
and
eventually
because
you
know
just
say:
okay,
we
buy
the
beer
or
the
sandwich
inside
and
then
go
outside.
You
know
when
days,
McDonald's
or
something
to
eat
it.
You
know
week
the
duck
knee
is
the
business
operation
inside.
Are
we
conducting
business
outside,
which
is
what
this
definition
talks
about?
Business
is
conducting
outside
operations.
It's
a
kind
of
a
hodgepodge
of
two
different
definitions.
G
G
I
do
have
a
little
bit
of
Ellen
I,
don't
know
if
Scott
Thompson
runs
on
forests
is
here,
Captain
Paul
is
on
leave
and
the
chief
isn't
teaching
of
training
for
NIMS
and
so
I
sent
out
the
email.
But
this
we
had
a
discussion
at
staff
meeting
about
decibel
meters,
the
Maritimes
develop
decibel
meters
and
what
they
came
back
was
for
one
thing:
if
you
had
one,
it
would
cost
us
quite
a
bit
because
you
have
to
get
it
calibrated
every
time.
It's
not
like
their
radar
speed.
That's
it!
G
E
A
D
C
D
D
Probably
me
would
do
that
and
again
you
just
write
up
the
process,
though
we
would
use,
would
be
same
as
we
use
in
the
housing
code
send
a
notice
violation
if
they
don't
cease
and
desist
order
to
comply
and
then
take
the
information
in
law
director's
office
and
ask
them
to
write
up
a
complaint
to
be
filed
in
court
against
the
owner.
So
it's
not
one
of
those
things
where
you
can.
You
know
pull
pull
the
plug
on
the
on
the
jukebox
kind
of
thing.
It's
a
process.
You
have
to
go
through.
A
D
B
B
C
E
The
recommendation
here
is
to
modify
the
entry
establishments
in
terms
of
distance
of
drive-ins
eateries
and
to
increase
some
gardens
and
Road
houses,
and
the
other
section
will
be
to
put
a
subsection
small,
a
business
conducting
outside
operations
with
a
200
feet,
residential,
so
cease
operations
at
12
a.m.
on
Friday
and
Saturday
in
110.
It's
my
nature.
We.
F
C
A
F
E
E
C
E
F
F
Well,
I
mean
the
thing
is
if
this:
if
what
the
council
wants,
it
becomes
a
little
a
sub
sub
section
and
then
you
would
strike
out
all
of
this
and
then
it
would
just
be
business.
Any
businesses
conducting
outside
operations,
meaning
restaurants,
eating
drinking
and
entertainment
establishments,
conducting
outside
operations
and
within
200
feet
of
residential
zones.
It
shall
cease
operations,
you
know,
so
it
shall
cease
outside
operations.
So
what
they
did
is
that
they
just
took
the
part
that
we
want
to
change
and
put
it
as
you.
C
F
E
A
E
E
E
F
I
know
what
you're
saying
right:
what's
right,
so
what
what
I'm
saying
is
that
entertainment,
the
entertainment
part,
has
already
been
discussed
earlier
in
the
to
section?
No,
unless
we
want
to
make
entertainment,
that's
you
know,
I,
don't
think
you
need
to
include
eating
and
drinking
and
entertainment
establishments,
these
types
of
entertainment
or
we
we
can
I
mean
a
Roadhouse
I'd
say
as
an
entertainment,
establishment,
okay
and
then,
when
we
write
rewrite
this
part
of
the
noise
of
the
outside
operations
that
we
put
this,
you
know
eating
drinking
and
entertainment
establishments,
businesses.
C
E
F
B
F
A
A
C
A
C
D
Know
I'm
not
real
sure,
I
know
you.
There
has
to
be
two
public
hearings,
one
at
this
level,
one
at
the
council
level
and
little
and
the
code
specifically
spells
out
the
pre-notification
time
in
a
publication
of
general
circulation
or
if
it
affects
less
than
10
properties,
letters
individually.
It's.
E
E
D
A
D
F
D
D
You
have
a
vicinity.
Map
shows
the
planes
and
most
of
those
lots
that
you
see
there
are
plat
at
about
100
120
feet
deep,
fifty
feet
wide
so
by
current
city
and
city
standards,
which
include
within
the
three-mile
subdivision
regs
applying
to
three
mile
area.
These
are
all
preexisting,
non-conforming
Lots.
You
don't
need
building
permits
up
there.
So
there's
a
lot
of
different
things
going
on
in
the
flames
here
comes
an
applicant
who
has
three
Lots.
D
D
D
D
It
is,
if
you
just
left
this
completely
alone,
you
could
have
three
houses.
Actually
you
could
have
six
houses
constructed
or
you
know,
there's
a
voluntary
reduction
in
non
nonconformity,
but
it's
still
not
a
reduction
enough
to
come
into
compliance.
So
is
this
something
that
requires
a
variance
to
do
or
is
it
something
that,
because
it's
voluntarily
reducing
the
possibility
of
non-conforming
is
something
that
could
be
done
without
a
variance?
And
you
know
I
guess
that's
my
question:
how
you'd
like
to
handle
it?
It
has
happened
in
the
past.
D
So
you
remember
just
recently
the
case
where
there
was
the
apartment,
zefnep
lanes,
apartment
in
the
backyard
house
in
the
front
two
Lots.
They
just
wanted
to
turn
the
line
that,
when
I
recommended
refusal
on
based
on
frontage
and
lot
size,
you
know
because
they
weren't
it
was
just
a
change.
It
was
there
was
nothing
being
reduced.
D
Now,
just
a
couple
streets
that,
where
I
talk
to
someone
this
morning
is
considering
buying
land
on
Conant
Road
and
the
plains,
just
a
couple
streets
over
Conant
Road
does
have
curb
and
gutter.
So
if
you
look
at
the
chart
with
curb
and
gutter,
you
reduce
your
area
needed
down
to
nine
thousand
four
hundred
fifty
square
feet.
Your
frontage
down
to
70
and
these
two
proposal
eyes
then,
would
be
really
close
to
being
conforming.
It's
that
lack
of
stormwater
control
is
what
drove
the
the
difference
in
the
ball
controls,
because
you
get
so
much.
D
If
you
don't
do
it
that
way,
you
get
really
intense
development,
especially
in
the
three
mile
without
stormwater
control,
and
then
you
got
neighbors
pushing
water
on
the
neighbors.
You
know
they
don't
like
that,
ditch
in
front
of
their
house.
They
want
to
fill
it
up.
So
that's
why
there's
that
difference.
F
D
All
the
stormwater
control
in
that
particular
area,
the
plains,
are
just
open,
ditch,
there's
some
catch
basins
around,
but
it's
mostly
ditch
drainage.
So
there's
you
know
not
a
whole
lot
right.
There
not
a
whole
lot
of
piping
in
place
that
I
know
of
and
then
for
example
to
you
might
just
be
putting
in
curb
and
gutter
and
a
very
restricted.
You
know
small
area
that
wouldn't
it
would
protect
that
particular
area.
But
you
know
none
of
the
adjacent
properties.
F
D
There's
a
house
right
now:
the
idea
is,
there's
a
wide
row
of
out
there
the
other
day,
there's
a
actually
believe
it
or
not.
There's
a
kind
of
looks
like
a
travel,
trailer,
mobile
home
thing,
sitting
there
and
someone's
living
in
and
then
there's
an
actual
house.
Stick
built
house
on
balls
east
onto
lots.
Well,
it's
actually
on
all
three.
B
D
Yeah,
you
got
essentially
two
existing
structures
of
some
kind.
One
is
not
a
permanent
structure
and
the
other
one
is.
The
whole
idea
is
get
the
house
on
one
lot
and
then
this
trailer
lot
yeah.
There
are
two
things
they.
D
There
is
a
section
just
so
you
know
the
tucks
in
the
code
that
you
don't
even
have
to
request.
You
don't
have
to
have
an
approval
from
the
Planning
Commission.
If
you
want
to
take
all
your
Lots
and
combine
them,
you
can
actually
do
that
by
a
new
perimeter,
description
or
language
that
calls
all
your
parcels
continuous
and
contiguous
that
to
combine
them
all.
That's
permitted.
F
E
D
E
E
B
A
E
A
D
When
the
original
application
came
in
to
convert
to
skontos
for
apartments
and
build
a
second
building
that
had
six
or
eight
units
in
it,
question
was:
could
that
be
part
of
the
existing
Station
project?
Pud,
or
did
it
need
to
be
something
that
was
separate?
I,
think
it
was
decided
because
it's
on
a
separate
parcel
of
land
not
to
the
lease
area
that
the
city
has
for
the
station
project,
that
it
would
be
its
own
separate,
Planned,
Unit
development?
D
D
A
We
told
City
Council
was
that
we
discovered
that
they
stationed
project
has
a
40-year
lease
on
that
parcel
in
front
of
the
station
which
permits
parking
and
landscaping,
and
the
40-year
lease
also
has
a
renewal
20-year
renewal
and
then
a
possible
third
renewal
after
that
expires.
So
there's
not
much
point
in
considering
rezoning,
and
so
that's
basically
bug
me
told
city
council.
A
E
D
The
next
step
is
then
for
mr.
Tremblay
or
miss
Schaefer
or
their
representative
to
submit
a
new
site,
drawing
PUD
hike.
If
you'd
like
I,
can
get
ahold
of
my
shaver
and
just
say
you
know,
if
you,
if
you're
ready
to
proceed
now
to
the
I,
guess
you
could
say,
we've
had
several
pre-application
meetings
have
that
out
of
the
way,
and
we
can,
if
they
want
to,
they
can
just
submit
the
information
will
go
to
possible
preliminary
approval.
Consideration.
A
A
C
F
D
D
E
A
One
other
thing
that
we
need
to
be
thinking
about,
and
I'll
talk
to,
that
laying
about
in
the
information
for
Planning
Commission's
that
you've.
Given
us,
there
is
a
section
about
site
visits
and
the
problems,
but
from
site
visits
cause.
If
we
go
in
a
body
without
advertising
it
beforehand
and
given
the
timeline
of
putting
cases
on
the
agenda,
we
don't
really
have
a
way
to
advertise
a
site
visit
ahead
of
time,
because
we
don't
know
what
we'll
be
doing
looking
at
so
it.
A
We
need
to
be
thinking
and
we
don't
have
to
decide
anything
now.
But
we
need
to
be
thinking
about
some
systematic
way
of
which
we
can
use
physics
and
make
sure
that
we
see
the
areas
before
we
have
to
discuss
it
and
I
I
will
talk
to
the
law
director
to
see
if
there's
a
way
that
we
can
schedule
of
an
official
site
visit
so
that
we
can
all
be
there
and
we
won't
make
any
decisions.
But
it
would
be
nice
if
we
all
knew
what
the
topographical
appearance
was
and
out
so.
F
A
And
I
think
once
they
get
started,
maybe
we
could
tell
them
they
don't
have
to
wait
until
late
of
completed
the
review
of
all
of
those
categories
we'd
be
happy
to
take
them
one
by
one
yeah,
especially
the
electronics
items.
If
we
can
get
there
first
yeah
I
understand
okay,
okay
motion
to
approve
the
minutes.