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A
A
A
Do
you
affirm
that
you
will
be
telling
the
truth
with
anything
that
you
say
today?
Thank
you.
Okay,
I
open
the
public
hearing
for
diversified
properties,
which
is
at
252
East,
State,
Street,
it's
otherwise
known
as
Madison
Heights,
okay.
Jim.
Would
you
like
to
give
a
brief
summary
of
the
project
where
you
are
okay,
you
can
either
sit
down
there.
A.
B
B
B
We
evaluated
the
site
again,
the
market,
the
location
and
we
determined
amongst
ourselves
that
we
thought
detached
single-family
residences
in
that
location
that
had
a
similar
feeling
to
the
adjacent
property
on
the
east
side
of
Athens
may
be
more
suitable
for
that
location
submitted
a
plan
at
that
point
and
that
you
know
briefly
with
the
Planning
Commission
and
with,
and
we
have
submitted
a
preliminary
plan
that
addresses
exactly
those
those
needs.
So
is
that.
A
A
C
C
C
Ralph
Kelsie
248,
East
State,
so
I'm
gonna
cross
the
street
neighbor
I'm
gratified
to
hear
that
they're
intending
to
build
what
sounds
like
single-family
houses,
they're,
which,
needless
to
say,
I,
would
prefer
to
a
apartment.
Building
of
some
sort,
I
primarily
here
to
watch
the
process
in
action
and
see
what
happens.
I
did
have
a
question
that
someone
might
be
able
to
give
me
a
little
help
on,
though,
in
looking
at
a
zoning
map.
C
I
noticed
that
there's
an
enormous
area
of
the
east
side,
which
is
I,
believe
single-family
dwellings
to
simplify
it
with
a
small
island,
which
is
this
property
in
question.
I
know
that
everything
else
on
East
State
Street
is
grandfathered
in
the
business.
The
existing
businesses
of
this
area
and
they're
not
allowed
to
make
any
improvements
whatsoever.
C
E
Address
some
of
this
that
has
actually
technically
I
believe
a
b-1
zone
since
there's
b1
zones,
portions
on
the
I
guess
I'd
be
the
north
side
of
East
State
Street,
all
the
way
along
the
village
bit
build
bills,
bakeries,
one
a
Larry,
Conrad's
area,
probably
about
ten
years
ago.
There
was
a
push
to
get
rid
of
b1
zones,
but
it
did
not
take
place.
We
have
some
be
one
zone.
Still
the
concept
of
be
one
zone
was
a
neighborhood
business.
E
E
So
this
is
what
you're
saying
it's
it's
one
of
these
is
a
left
over
from
previous
zoning,
realizing
that
was
the
state
route,
but
it
also
reflects
the
neighborhood
business
concept
out
there
and
which
is
kind
of
become
fashionable
again,
I
believe
so
that's
why
it's
actually
wasn't
did
not
get
disappear.
Does
that
answer
your
question.
C
I
believe
it
does
the
reason
I
had
this
question
was
I'm
gonna
I
believe
that
the
former
gas
station
that's
now
called
that.
That's
now
the
site
of
the
off
that
Athens
automobile
repair.
They
were
not
allowed
to
add
an
additional
gas
pump
when
they
were
attempting
to
stay
in
business
as
a
gas
station
because
of
the
grandfathered
zoning
restrictions.
I
was
wondering
why
people
can't
make
an
adjustment
of
that
small
and
other
large
adjustments
appear
to
be
a
lot
sometimes
Tara.
E
C
E
This
past
year,
they
had
to
renew
they
had
some
pollution
problems.
I
know
a
while
back,
because
I
know
this.
Past
year,
the
City
Council
gave
the
right
to
to
actually
do
some
environmental
testing
on
the
streets
surrounding
that
gas
station.
So
I,
don't
know
whether
the
new
gas
station
was
a
indicative.
The
fact
that
they
couldn't
do
it
was
indicative
of
the
pollution
or
the
zoning.
As
I
say
it
predates
my
knowledge
of
it.
Okay.
Well,
thank
you
very
much.
I'm
looking.
C
I
find
this
to
be
an
interesting
procedure
and
glad
you
guys
are
keeping
up
a
good
work
here.
Thank.
A
G
G
A
H
Have
a
question-
and
you
may
already
have
addressed
this
but
I-
don't
know
because
I've
only
you
know
come
in
on
this
modification,
the
driveway,
how
it'll
come
down
the
access
road?
You
have
another
private
driveway.
Are
there
some
plans
for
grading
that
and
having
it
not
be
so
steep
and
and
maybe
preventing
any
conflict
between
the
ecosystem,
yeah.
B
We
had
discussed
that
actually,
we've
had
those
discussions
with
mr.
Farley
who
actually
owns
that
that
real
estate,
where
that,
where
that
driveway
exists-
and
there
are
plans
to
actually
get
that
roadway
down
and
correct
me,
approximately
18,
inches
or
so,
which
will
allow
access
into
the
developed
sites
for
the
housing
and
in
conjunction
with
that,
there
is,
of
course,
the
access
to
Madison
and
and
the
crown
that
we
were
hoping
to
contour.
To
make
that
look.
You
know
just
a
little
easier
to
drive
in
and
out
right
there.
So.
H
B
Well,
I,
don't
know
if
there's
a
conflict,
the
existing
that
it's
an
interesting
there's,
an
easement
that
exists,
and
there
is
somewhat
of
a
loop
which
gives
access
based
on
our
interpretation
and
the
interpretation
of
our
attorney,
who
we
originally
gave
it
to
before.
We
ever
purchased
the
property
there.
B
Of
private
property
owners
that
are
that
have
an
ingress
and
egress
through
that
same
property
other
than
the
subject
parcel
that
we're
talking
about
developer
and
I,
say
some
of
them
here
today.
They
need
to
have
continuous,
ingress
and
egress
over
that
there,
during
the
course
of
development
at
that
property
site.
That's
going
to
be,
you
know,
that's
going
to
be
a
challenge
for
everybody,
but
we
think
we
can
sustain
that
with.
F
B
B
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F
A
G
We've
what
the
Planning
Commission
members
have
there's
a
packet
there
for
each
one
of
you
that
is
essentially
the
completed
title,
41
checklist
requirements
or
what
mr.
Smithson
needed
to
provide
in
order
to
move
towards
getting
an
approval
for
his
site
design
or
the
property
I
believe
it's
at
2:20,
Columbus,
Road
included
in
there
are
all
the
necessary
documents.
With
the
exception,
we
are
still
finalizing
the
wellhead
protection
permit.
There
is
a
letter
in
there
from
Mike
Cooper's
specified
what
we
need
to
be
done
in
the
future.
G
Mike
Cooper
is
on
the
wellhead
protection
committee
and
is
employed
the
athens
county
and
city
health
department
and
the
the
concerns
are
primarily
about
the
the
nature
of
the
chemicals
and
businesses
that
would
be
operating
within
mr.
convinces
property.
He
is
building
this
on
speculation,
and
so
at
this
point
he
is
not
sure
who
would
be
the
tenants
in
there,
and
so
it's
important
for
any
future
tenants
to
continuously
update
the
wellhead
protection
committee
as
to
what
types
of
chemicals
are
going
to
store
on
site.
H
I
talked
with
Nick
Carr
this
morning
regarding
the
wall,
had
protection
issues
and
asked
if
they
could
not
at
least
permit
these
buildings,
shell,
and
he
was
going
to
attempt
to
get
back
with
me.
F
H
A
A
A
Why
she's
calling
this
is
an
aside,
because
we
did
discuss
this
earlier
about
the
title.
You
know
the
forty
one
process
that
you
went
through
since
we
have
a
minute.
Can
you
describe?
How
was
that
process
for
you,
the
title
41?
That's.
A
A
I
A
E
G
Checklist
is
complete.
Okay,
this
one,
we
have
not
filled
out
that
that
checklist
form
to
it
in
its
entirety
yet
which
would
need
to
be
signed,
but
we
would
need
the
Planning
Commission
doesn't
have
to,
as
has
ten
days
to
issue
an
official
letter
to
mr.
commits
and
ten
business
days
from
today,
to
either
approve
approve
with
conditions,
or
does
he
deny
so
at
that
point?
A
Is
from
the
card
director,
Water
and
Sewer,
the
wellhead
protection
team
grants
mr.
Knudsen
tentative
approval
to
proceed
with
the
Columbus
road
project,
with
the
understanding
that
the
process
cannot
be
circumvented
and
full
approval
cannot
be
granted
until
such
time.
We
know
what
the
speculative
building
will
be
used
for
and
who
the
tenant
will
be.
So
basically,
that's
granting
the
shell
with
with
conditions
that
any
tenants
go
and
be
permitted.
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J
Is
it
I
mean
it
is
I
mean
that's
why
you
think
you
run
it
down
the
spine?
You
can
probably
get
a
few
more
Lots
where
there
are
a
few
more
actual
building
buildings
where
there
are
parking
lots
right
now
and
it
might
be
kind
of
an
interesting
development,
but
I
think
right
now,
as
it
is
just
seeing
this
I
think
we
need
to
know
is
a
good
bit.
You
know
and
I
would
say,
take
back
the
power.
E
This,
of
course,
brings
up
one
of
the
concepts
that
are
out
there.
When
we
look
at
footprints
of
lots,
we
never
include
parking
as
part
of
the
footprint
for
building
I
mean
we
have.
You
know
ratios
in
terms
of
all
the
arts
and
zones
and
how
much
they
take
over
a
lot,
but
the
parkings
not
included
that
ratio.
I
mean
I
forget
what
it
is
for.
These
are
three
isn't
he's
close
to
40
50
percent.
I
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F
G
E
Did
you
Harry,
can
you
pass
us
the
black
version
of
that
or
the
color
which
everyone.
F
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G
This
was
I
when
I
had
met
with
mr.
voluntour
last
week
to
discuss.
He
wanted
to
talk
about
this.
They
were
still
in
the
preliminary
planning
for
it
and
I
said
we
have,
since
we
have
a
Planning
Commission
meeting
next
week
and
they're
gonna
need
an
approval
from
the
Planning
Commission
for
this.
Since
its
title,
41
I
see
you
might
as
well
just
come.
You
might
as
well
talk
with
them
before
you
begin
most
of
your
planning
so
that
you
have
preliminary
feedback
that
you
can
incorporate
into
the
design
of
it.
I
will.
F
E
E
Do
we
have
actually
okay
considering
how
much
traffic
we're
gonna
be
putting
in
there
it's
good?
Is
it
gonna
be
wide
enough,
I
guess
the
next
question
yeah.
D
F
H
Well,
we
like
seeing
where
there's
there
in
like
in
a
closure,
it's
not
that
it's
enclosed
but
we'd
like
to
see
them
anymore,
particularly
wouldn't
these
larger
projects
that
are
multi-story.
So
it's
not
nobody
likes
to
see
trash.
We're
gonna
make
trash,
but
nobody
wants
to
see
that
that
mean
help.
Yes,.
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G
Lot
prepare
for
this
afternoon.
There
is
a
public
meeting
for
officials
at
1:00
p.m.
at
the
community
center
relating
to
the
new
FEMA
firm
flood
insurance
rate
maps,
which
expected
the
mayor
I
believe
this
is
probably
going
to
the
time.
I've
got
two
o'clock
tide
press
conference,
so
I
will
be
attending
that
you.
G
Will
be
attending
that
there
is
a
public
meeting
this
evening
from
between
four
to
seven,
an
open
house
relating
to
the
new
flood
maps.
I
would
encourage
anybody
on
the
Planning
Commission
if
they
can
stop
in
to
at
least
review
them.
So
you
are
aware
of
any
changes
that
are
going
on
and
if
you
live
in
the
city
of
Athens,
Chris
I
believe
you
live
in
the
floodplain
right.
G
G
Set
in
on
training
relating
to
multi
jurisdictional
agreements,
which
is
very
useful,
especially
if
we're
dealing
with
city
township
county
issues,
the
best
way
to
design
an
agreement
so
that
everybody
gets
a
little
bit
of
what
they're
looking
for
out
of
it.
And
we
also
set
it
on
a
meeting
relating
to
how
to
permit
and
plan
for.
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One
of
which
is
a
manufacturer
of
science,
so
he's
got
expertise
and
he
also
helps
with
the
current
sign
ordinances.
Okay,
and
we
have
Paul
Eschenbach
erected
for
the
from
the
code
enforcement
office.
Who
has
understands
a
lot
of
the
history
beyond
it,
the
complications
they
experienced
trying
to
remove
us.
Okay,.
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A
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E
A
conversation
about
the
Regional
Planning
Commission
about
this
essentially
his
take
on
it-
is
that
the
there
still
needs
to
be
these
things
done
right
for
approval
on
the
county
side,
so
we're
waiting
for
taxes
met
him.
I
understand
this.
There's
no
utilities
in
place.
The
road
has
not
been
developed
properly
and
the
signs
off
on
so
I
still.