►
From YouTube: Athens City Planning Commission Meeting 10-07-09
Description
No description was provided for this meeting.
If this is YOUR meeting, an easy way to fix this is to add a description to your video, wherever mtngs.io found it (probably YouTube).
A
B
A
A
C
D
A
F
A
D
It's
a
simple,
wide
split.
The
reason
it's
here
is
because
it's
in
the
three
mile
radius,
but
it
does
meet
the
road
frontage
with
the
depth
ratio
and
Engineers
approval
and
Health
Department
has
signed
off
on
it.
The
only
reason
it's
here
is
because
it's
less
than
five
acres,
if
it
was
more
than
it
would
be
a
cut
and
dry
piece
of
property.
So
since
it's
less
than
five,
it
has
to
go
through
Planning
Commission,
according
to
our
code,
so.
A
F
Review
it
meets
it,
meets
all
the
requirements
for
the
lot
split.
The
important
thing
for
at
least
in
my
mind,
the
most
important
thing
when
we're
dealing
with
a
lot
split
in
the
three-mile
limits
but
outside
of
the
city
of
Athens,
is
that
the
Health
Department
has
reviewed
it
and
approved
it.
They
have
Chuck
hammer
from
the
Health
Department
signatures
right
here.
On
top
of
that
survey,
they
had
no
problems
with
it,
so
it
does.
It
meets
the
county's
requirements.
County
engineer
also
they've
reviewed
it
for
accuracy.
F
A
C
A
A
Since
we've
seen
I,
don't
know
how
the
best
way
to
approach
this
might
be
to
have
you
guys
sort
of
reintroduce
this
is
would
probably
not
make
a
vote.
I
am
managing
today
since
we're
all
sort
of
seeing
this,
but
you
never
know
so
you'd
like
to
go
ahead
and
represent
this
presentment
changed
condition.
Please
go
ahead
very.
H
H
During
the
course
of
that
investigation,
we've
had
what
I
would
characterize
as
continuous
communication
with
the
city
regarding
the
complexities
of
the
infrastructure,
location,
connection
and
development,
and
only
recently
of
these
issues
been
fully
resolved
and
actual
engineering
drawings
are
in
the
hands
right
now
of
the
appropriate
city
agencies.
Those
have
been
delivered
to
the
city.
H
The
desert,
the
change
or
I
would
call
it
and
I'll
be
specific.
The
minor
alteration
or
not
substantial
change
I
will
characterize
it,
as
is
to
take
the
five
detached
residences
that
are
on
the
upper
portion
of
the
property
and
mask
them
into
in
a
two
unit
in
the
three
unit
building,
as
opposed
to
the
five
independent
pieces,
and
that's
a
direct
conclusion
of
the
finalization
of
this
infrastructure
issue,
which
is
really
driven
the
majority
of
the
development.
It's
a
for
those
of
you
that
don't
know
directly.
H
It's
a
a
concise
area
that
we
are
attempting
to
develop
appropriately.
The
installation
of
city
utilities,
water,
sewer
and
storm
sewer,
as
well
as
a
EEP,
isn't
a
very
defined
area.
There's
not
a
lot
of
wiggle
room
would
be
the
way
I
would
characterize
it
as
this
infrastructure
development
became
finalized.
We
took
a
second
look
and
said:
you
know
any
room
we
could
buy
by
making
a
minor
alteration
is
going
to
allow
for
candidly
easier
installation
and
access
to
these
utilities
as
well.
H
H
The
spirit,
size
style
and
end
product
is
virtually
identical
to
the
approved
residences,
with
the
obvious
change
that
we've
masked
them
in
a
two
and
a
three
unit
building,
we
asked
the
Commission
to
recognize
this
development
has
been
fully
and
completely
scrutinized
in
every
detail
and
all
aspects,
as
as
many
of
the
commission
members
are
probably
sorry
to
see
us
here
and
ask
that
we
can
move
forward
with
the
preparation
of
our
final
plat.
With
this
minor
alteration.
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
G
B
H
I
I
H
I'd
like
to
address
that
issue,
it's
like
that
regarding
that
desirability
issue,
I
think
at
the
end
of
the
day,
the
location
and
one
of
the
reasons
that
we
have
moved
any
slow
pace
on
this
development
is
it's
as
great
a
residential
location
is,
there
is
to
be
developed
in
the
city
of
Athens,
and
we
believe
that
one
of
the
enhancements
of
this
alteration
is
going
to
be
at
the
end
of
the
day.
More
for
ability
for
the
buyer,
I
think.
I
H
The
in
the
sense
that
it's
attached
in
the
sense
that
it's
attached
yeah,
but
we
think
it'll
be
a
desert
because
the
desirability
of
the
location,
the
amenities
are
virtually
identical
to
what
we
approved
is
as
the
detached
residences
that
we
do
think
it'll
be
desirable.
Obviously,
that's
you
know
our
motivation.
Okay,.
I
H
A
G
G
G
H
A
E
Andy's
comments
where
the
general
alignment
of
the
utilities
is
okay,
but
we
have
some
questions
and
concerns
about
the
easement,
specifically
that
he's
met
with
in
the
direction
of
the
easement
that
we
would
like
to
see
the
the
easement
be
able
to
match
either
into
right-of-way
or
an
existing
easement
or
matches
the
property
lines
better.
So
so
we
could
allow
for
future.
E
B
C
F
B
H
B
B
H
F
J
Thought
you
were
going
to
speak
to
the
whole
utility
discussions
that
were
carried
on
this
summer,
just
to
kind
of
confirm
what
they're
indicating
the
developers
were
in
met
with
Andy
multiple
times
and
yes,
the
the
space
is
so
limited
that
this
is
what's
had
to
happen.
You
have
to
get
what
the
ten-foot
separation
according
to
EPA
between
so
everyone,
and
it
just
became
a
little
too
challenging,
which
is
why
this
reconfiguration
has
occurred
to
align
with
what
we're
requiring
in
terms
of
the
utilities
you.
F
Know
that
is
correct,
I
was
present.
Andy
and
I
were
present
with
diversify
properties
for
those
discussions,
and
there
was
a
significant
issue
with
where
the
layout
for
the
older
buildings
were
proposed,
where
they
were
encroaching
further
towards
East
State
Street.
There
was
not
enough
room
to
get
all
of
the
utility
put
into
that
section,
and
so
after
continuous
discussions
between
them
and
Public
Works,
this
was
the
proposal
to
bring
it
back
so
that
they
do
have
enough
room
to
get
their
utilities
installed
as
meet
city
code.
F
B
A
H
H
Again,
the
project
has
been
significantly
scrutinized
for
four
years,
and
you
know
this
change.
We
think,
is
a
positive
change
for
the
project
for
the
outcome
and
we're
just
trying
to
get
to
the
next
level
with.
Hopefully
not
you
know,
work
we're
not
excited
about
starting
at
square
one
I'll
be
candid:
okay,
I'll
just
be
candid
about
that.
H
G
F
J
F
F
A
Think
so,
I
guess
we're
mic.
Confusion
and
I
think
we're
all
a
little
confused
in
a
sense
is
I
think
it
all
has
a
lot
of
it
has
to
do
with
responsibility
whose
responsibility
for
knowing
that
ten-foot
easement
was
there
when
the
site
plan
was
originally
conceived.
Was
that
the
city's
responsibility
was
that
ap's
responsibility,
or
was
it
the
developer's
responsibility
I?
A
J
A
A
In
other
words,
if
they
were
to
move
row
ten
feet
that
would
then
qualify
as
the
fundamental
and
perceptual
change
in
this
reading,
even
if
they
weren't
to
move
any
of
the
buildings
but
move
their
easement
from
the
site
plan
that
would
qualify
as
that.
If
we
were
to
read
it
that
way
so
I
I,
guess
I'm
sort
of
I,
don't
know
if
I
see
it
as
a
fundamental
change.
This.
I
B
Mean
I'm
very
been
doing
this
30
years,
I'm
very
sensitive
to
topography,
changing
grade
and
the
realities
of
this
type
of
construction,
and
that's
what's
driving
some
of
this
because
I
know
when
we
get
down
and
dirty
into
this.
What
I
don't
want
to
do
is
disturb
this
hillside
and
I
know
it
until
these
in
get
the
job
done
in
a
matter
that
we're
not
going
to
disturb
the
vegetated
areas.
The
reality
is
you
never
tease,
because
nothing
is
gonna,
see
what
we're
talking
about
there
from
State
Street,
all
right,
I'm.
J
F
Going
to
be
the
same
years,
still
the
same
amount
of
veterans
et
cetera,
whether
clustering
buildings,
together
as
opposed
to
having
them
separated
out.
That's
really
the
only
change,
whether
that's
a
conceptual
or
fundamental
change.
I
could
be
persuaded
their
way
on
it,
I
suppose
I
person
from
a
personal
perspective,
I,
don't
think
it's
a
significant
change
to
what
was
initially
proposed.
I
would
say
at
a
minimum.
We
should
probably
have
City
Council
review
it
to
make
sure
that
City
Council
is
on
the
same
page.
F
It
is
still
City
Council's
responsibility
to
approve
the
final
plat
and
if
Council
has
not
reviewed
these
changes
prior
to
a
final
plat
being
brought
forward
to
them,
it
may
actually
be
encouraging
the
developers
to
do
a
lot
of
work
and
spending
a
lot
of
money
on
plans
to
only
find
out
that
City
Council
views
it
as
a
conceptual
or
fundamental
change
on
their
end.
So
I
don't
see
why
the
Planning
Commission,
if
you
guys
so
choose,
could
vote
to
approve
it
today
and
refer
it
back
to
City
Council
to
review
it.
F
If
City
Council
wants
to
do
it
done
and
suspend
rules
and
do
one
ordinance
on
it
or
something
and
then
still
have
the
requirements
for
a
final
plot,
that
would
be
their
prerogative,
but
that
would
certainly
make
sense
to
me
just
to
at
least
make
sure
that
all
anybody
who
has
the
authority
to
approve,
as
at
least
reviewed,
that
these
changes,
if
it
was
a
change
of
you,
know,
moving
a
window
around
or
something
like
that.
I
don't
see
where
it
would
be,
an
impact
that
could
not
just
be
addressed
at
the
final
plant.
F
I
F
Andy
is
going
to
be
preparing
a
memo
on
this
very
shortly,
so
that
everybody's
clear
on
that.
That
would
always-
and
that's
always
something
that
would
probably
we'll
have
to
address
utilities
again
at
some
point
with
this
project,
once
it's
all
said
and
done
as
well
so
never
know
what's
going
on
underneath
until
you
actually
tear
it
off
all.
A
J
Make
a
motion
that
the
Planning
Commission
approve
and
recommend
to
council
me
this
latest
modification,
pending
with
the
conditions
and
variance
on
get
this
right
from
the
acreage
size
that
condition
that
the
easement
for
the
utility
line,
storm
drainage
plan
and
and
road
access
is
reviewed
with
Andy
stone.
The
engineer.
C
A
A
I
A
L
L
This
would
be
the
fifth
time,
I.
Think
the
rezoning
of
the
northern
block
of
the
Uptown
area
to
conform
with
the
rest
of
the
Uptown
areas
of
B
to
D
I
brought
it
through
the
Planning
Commission
or
to
deplaning
Commission
just
five
years
ago,
maybe
I
guess
four
or
five
years
ago,
and
so
I'm
pretty
familiar
with
the
pluses
and
the
minuses.
The
differences
between
or
I
was
B
to
D
and
B
three,
the
downtown
area.
L
Obviously
Stevens's
since
moved
into
the
seven
sauces
former
location
and
we
rented
some
office
space
on
the
corner,
which
is
now
occupied
by
jeff
paddock
and
then
about
three
or
four
years
ago.
I
was
involved
in
selling
mr.
Smeltzer
the
office
building
that
he
has
now
turned
into
his
office
building
and
done
an
extensive
renovation
used
to
be
a
law
office
on
West,
8th
Street
and
is
now
his
financial
planning
office.
If
you've
never
been
to
it.
I
would
encourage
you
to
go
look
at
it.
L
It's
the
most
beautiful
office
and
in
the
area,
although
mr.
chaddock's
is
very
attractive
as
well,
but
the
I
guess
the
emphasis
of
our
concerned:
there's
advantages
and
disadvantages
to
being
a
b3
and
there's
advantages
and
disadvantages
to
being
a
B
to
D
the
greatest
advantage
to
the
B
to
D.
As
far
as
development
or
developers
is,
you
are
not
required
to
provide
parking
for
retail
or
commercial
space,
nothing
to
do
with
residential.
L
You
still
have
to
provide
your
parking
for
residential,
but
you
don't
have
to
provide
parking
for
your
retail
or
commercial
space
as
we
try
to
find
a
tenant
or
somebody
to
buy
to
blue
gate
or
building
depending
upon
the
use
of
the
building.
That
becomes
an
issue
to
have
to
provide
parking.
Requires
you
to
out
to
go
out
and
either
get
a
lot
within
250
feet,
to
provide
your
parking
or
get
a
variance
and
variances.
L
There
was
I
guess
a
concern
on
some
people's
part
that
maybe
somebody
had
visions
of
building
the
Trump
Tower
on
their
northern
block
of
Court
Street,
and
that
that
isn't
the
case,
and
because
of
that
there
was
even
the
request
made
by
counsel
the
DES
Planning
Commission
changed
the
height
limitations
and
a
B
to
D
to
match
what
it
wasn't
a
b3
where
they
would
reduce
the
allowable
height
of
a
building
which
the
Planning
Commission
did.
Okay,
so
now
you've
made
it,
nobody
can
go
up.
Okay,
I
guess
there
was
concern
also
about
the
infrastructure.
L
You
know
well
the
input.
We
have
problems
with
the
infrastructure
and
if
you,
if
we
do
this,
it
might
cause
more
developing
to
occur,
and
we
already
have
problems
with
our
infrastructure.
I
find
that
laughable
I
know
you
have
an
old
tunnel
that
goes
underneath
the
street
and
that's
a
problem.
That's
a
problem,
whether
there's
any
development
up
there
or
not.
Okay
I
talked
to
Andy
stone
about
this,
and
he
said
if
new
development
occurred.
They'd
have
to
obviously
tap
into
properly
the
sanitary,
the
stormwater,
the
water.
L
L
A
L
L
Harry's
my
dad
guilty
women.
That's
why
I
apologize
to
him
I
knew
he
didn't.
Wanna
hear
this
at
the
time.
I
guess
if
I
was
on
the
Planning
Commission,
quite
honestly
and
I
had
recommended
this
four
times
and
council
hadn't
even
voted
on
it
I'd
be
having
discussions
with
City
Council
as
to.
Why
are
you
ignoring
us?
They
came
representatives
of
City
Council
came
to
the
Uptown
business
owners
association,
the
president
of
our
of
our
chambers.
Here
they
twice,
came
and
asked.
How
do
you
feel
about
this
and
they
said
we're
all
for
it?
L
Okay,
we
want
this
to
happen.
Our
I
don't
know
whether
it's
a
200
or
300
thousand
dollar
comprehensive
plan.
If
you
paid
for
section
10
5
defines
the
Uptown
area
as
Court
Street
from
present
Street
on
the
south
to
carpenter
Street
on
the
north.
You
know
I
I,
don't
understand
why
they
haven't
voted
on
it,
either.
To
be
honest
with
you:
okay,
but
I'm,
not
the
one
to
bring
it
to
their
attention.
Okay,
I
know
we
have
a
new
player.
L
Because
the
City
Council
asked
mr.
smelter
to
have
Planning
Commission
revisited
again
I
don't
understand
see.
Did
you
know
that
City
Council
asked
it
to
be
brought
to
brought
back
to
the
Planning
Commission
again?
This
has
been
like
seven
or
eight
months
ago,
okay
and
and
unfortunately
mr.
Smeltzer
had
an
out
a
trip
out
of
town
trip
planned
today.
That's.
A
G
I
think
teachers
I
don't
think
it
was
but
I
know
his
previous
a
couple
times
and
again
a
lot
of
it
had
to
do
with
the
the
scope
of
development
there.
The
park
and
commercial
parking
was
concerned.
I
think
they
think
the
discussions
at
one
point
they're
talking
about
trying
to
re-establish
the
distance
from
the
parking
garage
a
500-foot.
Was
it
radius
to
reestablish
that
as
the
distance
they
I
think
mr.
G
L
L
Dane
Jack
stopper,
yes,
okay
and
Kevin
was
concerned
because,
with
his
sign
it
would
it
would
no
longer
comply
in
size
and-
and
that
was
a
concern.
Okay
and
and
Jack's
concern
was
that
the
building
that
he
owns,
that
the
barbershop
was
in
would
be
limited
on.
What
uses
could
be?
What
tenancy
could
have?
Is
this
coming
back?
Okay,
oh.
G
L
And
those
two
property
owners
are
no
longer
opposed
to
this
when
I
brought
it
to
the
Planning
Commission.
Four
or
five
years
ago,
we
even
had
like
60%
of
the
property
owners
had
already
signed
a
petition
that
we
presented
where
they
were
all
in
favor
of
it.
You
know
the
sign,
you
don't
see
it
used
to
be
that
block
of
quartz.
We
had
car
dealerships
gas
stations,
I
mean
lots
of
them.
L
Milling
went
way
back.
If
you
look
at
the
old
pictures,
livest
I
mean
it
was
like
it
was
anything
like
the
rest
of
the
downtown
area.
Okay
and
being
a
past
president
of
the
uptown
business
owners
association
and
being
trying
to
be
involved
in
the
betterment
of
our
uptown
area,
I
feel
like
we're
almost
a
step-sister
that
block
you
know
right
we're
not
looked
upon
the
same.
L
We're
not
treated
the
same,
we're
being
subjected
to
parking
regulations
that
that
the
rest
of
Court
Street
doesn't
have
I
mean
getting
into
this
discussion
as
to
you
know,
changing
the
parking
garage
accounting
for
500
feet
or
less,
or
should
we
expand
it
or
whatever?
That
can
be
a
whole
nother
discussion
on
our
parking
enter
restrictions
for
residential
parking,
okay,
you
know,
because
we've
obviously
made
strides
in
the
last
couple
of
years
of
becoming
a
lot
more
bike,
friendly
bike
lines,
bicycle
lanes
and
and
pedestrian
friendly
and
speaking
as
a
landlord.
L
Now,
okay,
we're
required,
though,
to
have
a
parking
space
for
every
tenant
within
80
yards
of
their
bedroom.
That's
got
to
be
bigger
than
their
bedroom.
Okay,
well,
that
just
sort
of
encourages
people
having
cars
in
the
downtown
area.
Okay,
what
we
should
be
doing
is
discouraging
them
from
having
cars
and
encouraging
them
to
walk
and
bicycle,
but
that's
a
whole
nother
discussion,
because
this
really
doesn't
have
any
effect
on
that.
L
There
had
been,
unfortunately,
a
fire
at
sixty
North
High
Street,
where
a
couple
students
died
and
I
bought
that
house
from
the
owner
and
I
leveled.
It
and
I
created
a
nine
space
parking
lot
and
so
then
I
deed
restricted
that
to
my
building
on
Court
Street
and
that
by
you
know
doing
that.
I
was
able
to
lose
an
ugly
brick
building
and
renovate
it
and
make
it
attractive,
I!
Think,
okay,
so.
A
G
G
Smells
er
has
parking
that
he
has
there
used
for
his
business
versus
his
residential
and
half
his
building
as
residential
I
forget
I.
Guess
we
should
go
actually
go,
find
that
inventory
I
haven't
seen
interrupts
for
years,
but
I
know
there
was
a
list
that
was
made
and
I
believe
at
the
time,
and
maybe
I
was
on
council
at
the
time,
but
they
they
were
shocked
to
how
many
parking
spaces
were
about
before,
not
and
again
the
assumption.
Of
course
they
all
turn
into
residential.
G
The
other
hand
I
also
where-
and
this
comes
back
to
me
into
discussion-
is
that
they
was
also
the
the
concept
that
this
would
intensify
again.
Development
in
that
area,
and
you
have
the
north
side,
neighbors
association
and
members
of
the
residents
saying
saying
this-
would
only
increase
the
noise
substitute
noise
and
intensity
of
use
going
towards
the
Congress
North
Congress
area.
So
I'm
aware
that
that
was
one
of
the
issues
that
was
bandied
about
as
well.
Yeah.
A
I
think
the
difficult
situation
we
find
ourselves
in
is
that
we
have
a
comprehensive
plan
now
that
wants
intensity,
intensifying
uses
and
densities
in
areas.
But
since
this
discussion,
probably
I'm
sure
most,
the
votes
on
the
part
of
the
Planning
Commission
were
prior
to
the
comprehensive
and
I
specifically
called
that
out.
It.
L
L
And
to
address
that
concern
now
that
there's
been
the
restriction
on
height,
where
can
development
occur?
Okay
I
mean
look
at
the
block.
Where
can
development
occur?
You
cannot
go
up.
Okay,
now,
Cornwall's
wants
to
level
their
building
and
build
a
building
there.
Then
then
they
have
to
provide
residential
parking.
You
know
that
all
that
parkings
already
been
deed,
restricted
to
the
court
side
properties.
That's
there,
okay.
L
C
L
Talking
about
here
we're
talking
about
basically,
the
buildings
that
abut
courts
are
that
are
on
Court
Street
from
State
Street
to
carpenter
and
extending
to
the
west
on
State
Street
over
to
the
church,
okay,
which
which
encompasses
in
mr.
smelters
building-
and
you
know,
then
it
goes
over
to
the
on
the
east
over
typing
sort
of
Malika's.
Also,
okay,.
L
L
City
Council,
that's
that's
been
addressed
as
far
as
what
they
can
do.
It
there's
actually
a
noise
violation.
The
police
have
the
power.
To
cite
you
know,
there's
there's
I
mean
you
know:
students
are
going
to
cause
noise,
okay
and
your
most
vocal
concern.
I
think
the
people
that
have
been
the
most
concern
about
noise.
L
You
know
I,
guess
you're
going
to
have
some
noise
I
tell
you
what
and
I've
said
this
before.
What
would
be
horrible
is
if
you
lived
real
close
to
the
Uptown
area
and
it
was
dead
silent
at
night
like
an
asteroid
or
Wellston
or
Jackson
virtual
coffee.
That
would
be
horrible
where
their
downtown's
are
dead,
okay
or
Columbus,
okay,
which
is
what
they're
trying
to
fight.
They
went
to
downtown
to
be
alive.
I
guess!
If
you
really
wanted
true
peace
and
quiet,
you
need
to
be
on
a
farm
somewhere.
Okay,.
L
L
Already
asked
mister
Smeltzer
to
come
back
to
the
Planning
Commission
it.
Actually,
it
was
if
I
and
you
can
certainly
reach
out
to
her
to
find
out
I
think
it
was
Christine
Christine
who.
L
The
way
it
said
something
to
Mister,
smelter
I
know
he's
been
communicating
with
somebody
on
council
and
they
said,
take
it
back
to
the
Planning
Commission
fast.
So
that's
what
he
did
he's
the
one.
It
brought
it
back
to
you
again,
so
yeah
I
agree
with
you.
I
I
think
it's
unfortunate
that
it
has
to
be
heard
a
fifth
time
or
acted
upon
a
fifth
time.
I
think
that's
unfortunate
cuz,
you
know
certainly
has
better
things
to
do
with
your
time
than
pure.
This
is
worth
five
times.
Can.
K
There's
there's
issues
about
the
fact
that
council
is
a
lot
of
people
and
Council
are
new.
You
know
a
lot
of
the
people
who
are
on
it.
I've
never
seen
this
proposal.
Council
is
also
uncomfortable.
They
like
to
act
upon
recommendations
from
the
Planning
Commission
I've
tried
bringing
certain
things
before
Council
and
they
have
said
we
need
recommendations
so
that
they
could
act
on
it
and
that's
what,
but
also
the
fact
that
it
has.
K
We
had
no
planner,
and
that
was
my
main
concern-
is
that
the
four
recommendations
came
from
Planning
Commission's
without
the
input
of
our
new
planner
and
I.
That's
so
that
the
issue
with
the
increase
in
the
density-
that's
already
occurred
there
and
it
would
be
the
most
up
to
date
because
we've
had
building
go
on
and
the
recommendations
from
the
planner
and
so
to
bring
it
all
up
to
the
most
current,
because
the
other
recommendations
didn't
work.
K
You
know
it
didn't
necessarily
cover
and
look
at
what's
already
gone
on
there,
also
with
some
of
the
infrastructure
and
development
that
went
with
carpenter
and
such
I
I.
Don't
necessarily
think
it's
very
good
policy
to
to
look
at
something.
That's
you
know
three
or
four
years
old
and
make
policy
on
it
and
I
think
that
it
would
make
sense
for
all
the
information
to
be
updated
and
to
be
presented
to
Council,
because
a
lot
of
the
members
of
council
are
new.
K
Since
this
last
proposal
went
through
from
planning
I
mean
we
I
could
try
I.
One
reason
is
I
talked
to
council
members
individually
about
this
as
and
they
said
many
of
them
said
I'd
like
to
hear
what
the
Planning
Commission
has
to
say.
So
I
could
try
it
again
and
it
may
decide
they
may
say
we
don't
have
enough
information
and
we
feel
uncomfortable
about
bringing
it
and.
L
I
F
A
F
The
Planning
Commission
would
request
a
memo
from
me
or
something
I
would
certainly
I
would
be
happy
to
give
them
a
detailed
recommendation
offhand.
My
recommendation,
yes
to
have
it
rezone
as
B
to
D
I,
do
not
see
what
the
I
do
not
see
enough
negatives
to
it
to
be
swayed
against
that
I.
Do
think
that
I
guess.
F
My
real
opinion
is
if
you've
got
a
parking
deck
that
close
and
you
have
on
street
parking
meters
mm-hmm
for
commercial
businesses,
I,
don't
if
a
business
does
not
want
to
provide
parking
for
commercial
purposes,
I,
don't
see
why
they
should
be
required
to,
and
that
would
go
from
mr.
smelter
or
anybody
else.
I
believe
the
Board
of
Zoning
Appeals
in
2003
awarded
a
variance
for
40
parking
spaces
for
Casa
nuevo
I,
don't
see
how
those
40
parking
spaces
variances
has
been
that's.
A
F
A
F
F
L
A
A
L
What
I
don't
want
to
see
have
happened
is
the
letter
of
recommendation
goes
from
Paul.
To
you
you
hand
it
to
council.
Council
turns
around
says
yeah,
but
we
still
haven't
heard
from
the
Planning
Commission.
So
what
does
it
hurt
to
let
the
new
members
of
the
Planning
Commission
take
a
vote?
Okay,
what's
it
hurt?
We
certainly
spent
30
minutes.
You
know
beating
up
something
fright
before
this.
You
know
take
five
minutes
beating
this
up.
Okay,.
A
I
L
Mr.
Loeb
will
give
you
his
recommendation
and
you
guys
will
discuss
it
and
then
we'll
wait
to
hear
back
from
you
then
absolute
that
bear
enough.
Okay,
thanks,
that's
fine
I
mean
we're
not
under
than
any
time
languages.
We
would
just
like
to
see
it
continue
to
move
forward.
Just
in
that's
fine,
okay,
okay,
okay,
thank
you
may.
F
I
make
a
suggestion
as
well.
Please,
since
John
is
our
zoning
and
director
he
may
want
to
that,
will
work
with
John
as
well
to
get
the
together
to
get
his
two
cents
on
whether
this
should
be
resumed
as
well
he's
a
we're
talking
about
rezoning,
as
it
should
not
just
be
the
planner
discussing
that
to
bribe
your
zoning
enforcers.
Okay,.
G
Cfi
and
some
other
interested
parties
I
think
the
drafts
actually
well,
there's
actually
two
drafts
you
can
see
in
place
there.
One
was
sent
directly
to
me
because
there's
a
conversation
I
had
with
somebody
believe
it
at
the
farmers
market.
Okay,
didn't
change
much
from
the
other
draft
concerning
gardening,
okay,.
A
I'll
read
the
second
draft
aloud:
Bennett:
okay,
its
proposal
to
amendment
of
the
city
code,
sections
to
men,
24:04,
oh
one,
r1
residential
zone,
one
family
as
follows:
C
conditionally
permitted
uses
the
following:
OSHA's
sub.
The
uses
shall
be
permitted
only
if
expressly
authorized
by
the
Board
of
Zoning
Appeals
hereinafter
referred
to
as
BCA.
In
accordance
with
provisions
of
this
code.
A
Three
they
would
remove
gardening
and
capitalized
domestic
animals
and
also
removed
the
raising
of
vegetables,
fruits
or
flowers,
so
that
would
just
pertain
to
domestic
animals.
So
domestic
animals,
the
keeping
of
domestic
animals
not
for
sale
of
property
item
four,
would
be
commercial
gardening,
the
raising
of
vegetables,
fruits
or
flowers
for
sale.
A
Then
a
following
suit
would
be
2304
or
two
for
our
two
residential
zone,
23:04
3
for
our
three
residential
zone.
They
don't
need
to
be
remanded
because
they've
referenced
that
2300
401
for
exclusion
and
retain
all
other
conditions.
They
go
and
say
that
this
would
allow
non
commercial
gardening
to
be
considered
in
applied
per
minute
accessory
use,
which
I'm
not
sure
if
it's
applied.
If
it's
not
stated,
I
thought
we
already
had
that
discussion
once
and
commissioned
that,
if
it's
it's
not
allowed,
if
it's
not
permitted.
D
A
A
G
F
A
A
C
G
Okay,
I
can
see
why
the
pair
together,
because
that
concept
is
you
could
have
a
real
scraggly
garden
right
or
a
lot
of
weeds
and
noxious
plants
and
say
this
is
my
garden.
On
the
other
hand,
I
will
point
out
the
section
nine
ten
o
to
is
actually
outside
zoning
code
and
council
can
do
this
without
our
say-so
a
recommendation.
It's.
G
And
a
thrusted
a
sister
again,
it's
coming
from
the
community
foods
initiative.
I
think
the
conversation
was
I
think
was
Kent
Butler
at
one
point.
He
of
interning,
home
gardening,
domestic
gardening
and
stuff,
like
that
I
gave
you
copy,
should
have
copies
of
the
1992
Athens
city
code
is
the
one
scribbled
up
with
all
these
little
pieces
in
there,
I
will
point
out
the
first
second
column
under
r1,
both
number
for
agricultural
nurseries.
G
This
was
deleted
in
ninety
somewhere
late
90s,
because
it
really
was
talking
about
nurseries
and
greenhouses,
and
general
farming,
including
not
including
commercial,
provide
thereon,
attract
not
less
than
five
acres.
At
that
point,
they
were
saying
there
aren't
enough
five
acre
plots
to
worry
about.
On
the
other
side,
though
the
second
paragraph
down,
or
rather
the
first
paragraph
down
gardening
farm
animals,
this
was
the
actual
section
for
the
non-commercial
use,
so
you
can
see
where
both
sections
were
kind
of
changed
and
modified
to
what
we
have
presently
right.
She
moved
up
this
this.
G
G
A
committed
accessory
use
oka
as
gardening
at
that
time,
I
believe.
Is
that
what
it
says?
Yes,
it
was
yes,
okay,
so
you
can
see
where
it
shifted
it
down
a
little
bit
to
make
a
conditional
where
required,
Zoning
Board
of
Appeals
and
again,
if
you,
if
you
look
at
all
the
scribbling,
that's
when
I
was
on
Zoning
Board
appeals.
I
was
aware
of
some
of
this
stuff,
but
we
really
never
had
that
as
a
problem
on
Zoning
Board
of
Appeals
in
terms
of
gardening,
I.
G
Think
where
the
the
conditions,
the
call
that
they're
making
the
the
draftees
of
this
amendment
is
that
they
don't
want
to
require
somebody
to
say:
I
want
a
garden
and
I
have
to
go
to
Zoning.
Board
appeals
to
do
this
again,
it
comes
down
to
the
commercial
part,
was
amended
to
put
in
a
second
draft,
because
I
was
saying:
okay,
how
do
you?
How
do
you
prevent
commercial
gardening
from
taking
place
in
horizon's'?
The
counter-argument,
of
course,
is
commercial
garden
is
commercial
and
therefore
it's
a
business
and
in
our
zone
you
can't
happen.
K
G
A
I
guess
I
would
see.
My
recommendation
would
be
to
bring
it
again.
It's
going
back
to
the
future
and
putting
it
back
as
a
permitted
assessor
to
use
like
in
1992,
but
yeah
guard,
I,
guess
extracting
the
gardening
part
and
adding
in
let's
go
so
nine
items
of
the
permitted
accessory
uses
that
would
be
gardening.
A
A
D
D
C
I
D
I
I've
had
experience
with
neighbors
across
the
street,
well
not
in
Athens,
but
in
another
community,
where
basically,
they
began
to
operate
commercial
activity
out
of
their
home.
That
required
customers
to
come
to
their
property
and
make
the
transaction.
And
you
had
a
lot
of
increased
traffic
on
that
street,
and
that
would
be
a
concern
that
I
would
have
I.
Think.
G
A
I
I
K
G
Kind
of
muddling
it
because
really
what's
the
thrust
of
this
amendment
is
to
get
get
it
out
of
the
area
that
you
every
gardener
who
has
a
guard
backyard
garden,
has
to
go
Fred's
only
board
of
Appeals
to
get
garden
going
right.
The
next
question,
of
course,
when
does
it?
You
know
if
it
goes
into
commercial
grade
gardening,
then
in
theory
the
the
gray,
the
problems
of
this
sort.
This
change
once
would
that
would
kick
in
your
commercial
you're
running
a
business
to
having
our
ones
on
there.
J
A
I
C
A
Think
it
needs
some
work,
I
don't
know
if
we
want
to
I
guess.
Is
there
anyone
a
counselor
wants
to
try
to
alright
that
count
some
Commission
I
apologize
that
would
want
to
I
know.
Counselors
won't
take
anything,
but
we
want
to
work
on
trying
to
adapt
this
to
well.
I
see
what
does
it
go
back
to
maybe
I'll
go
back
to
the
original.
It
seems
like
they're
interested.
K
G
We
are
aware
that
and
again
the
commercial
part
I
think
is
good,
because
there
will
come
a
question
where
somebody
saying
okay,
that
a
garden
that
happened,
cases
where
somebody
has
gardening
and
they
end
up
there
at
the
forest
market
and
if
it
was
thin.
It's
like
okay,
now,
they're
commercial.
You.
C
G
I'll,
try
getting
back
to
these
people
before
the
next
meeting.
No
guarantees,
that's
task
for
me
and
again
the
other
part
is
to
look
at
the
noxious
weeds
section
two
and
make
sure
we
have
some
kind
of
you
know.
Look
this
that
try
to
do
is
be,
of
course,
you
had
occasions.
If
you
look
at
I,
think
the
minutes
from
the
packet
from
the
BTD
section
there,
which
I
somehow
don't
have
I,
there's.
G
The
fact
that
there
were
people
being
cited
for
sunflowers
in
the
front
yard,
because
it
was
over
80
days,
rest
okay.
So
that's
why
the
issue
quit
some
kind
of
you
know:
there's
a
push
also
to
get
away
from
law
laws
that
require
lawn
mowers.
Yeah
I
can
see
where
they
start
talking
about
that.
But
thank
four
times.
You
know
that
word
blight
in
theirs
want
to
be
one
of
the
problems
right
there.
A
G
A
G
G
A
I
C
G
Have
come
for
variances
on
fences
to
the
BCA,
so
technically,
if
they
were
trying
to
get
a
front
garden
in
the
front,
and
we
said
and
then
they
went
offense,
then
they
might
have
to
go
to
BZ
on
that
and
then
the
question
of
course
fencing
usually
has
to
a
lot
of
times.
Fencing
has
to
do
with
actually
a
line
of
sight
issues
with
with
the
road
I
think.
That's
one
reason
why
you
see
a
lot
of
fence
restrictions
on
there
right.
I
G
You
really
don't
have
to
my
knowledge
and
I.
Think
that
was
brought
up
during
the
comprehensive
plan
many
years
ago
is
that
we
should
have
some
kind
of
fenced
legislation
in
place
and,
having
sat
on
the
steering
committee
for
the
comprehensive
plan,
that's
right
now
we
have
no
difference
between
a
pressure-treated
friends
to
cyclone
fence
or
bob
wire
or
electric.
You
know
offenses
offenses
offense,
and
that
there's
no
real
to
my
knowledge,
there's
no
criteria
within
a
code.
Okay.
Now
I
agree
with
that.
A
G
A
F
There
are,
if
you
look
at
the
bottom,
it
says:
there's
key
changes
to
title
25
and
then
I
have
described
each
one
of
those.
The
main
changes
are
in
relation
to
compensatory
storage
in
our
20
and
50
year.
Flood
plains,
which
we
do
have
mapped
and
certified
by
an
engineer.
Those
require
that
we
cannot
import
fill
dirt
into
the
20
and
the
50
year.
A
F
It
says
is:
in
the
20
year
the
volume
shall
be
offset
by
providing
an
equal
or
greater
volume
of
permanent
flood
storage
by
excavation
or
other
compensatory
measures
at
a
hydraulically
connected
site,
which
is
preferably
to
adjacent
to
okay
or
on
the
opposite
side
of
the
stream,
the
crowd,
the
development
okay.
So
the
key
is
that
it's
hydraulically
connected
okay,
so
there
is
some.
There
is
some
room
in
there
there's
also
other
solutions
and
better
practices
for
development
and
reconstruction
that
don't
require
the
importation
of
film
you
can
build.
F
F
The
other
major
change
is
with
the
definition
of
substantial
improvement,
not
to
get
into
it
too
much,
but
this
is
this
impacts.
Any
building
that
was
built
in
Athens
in
our
floodplain
prior
to
March
of
1980,
which
is
when
the
original
flood
flood
maps
were
provided
by
FEMA
to
the
city
of
Athens.
Those
properties
are
grandfathered
in
most
of
them
are
not
above
the
base
flood
elevation
for
a
100-year
flood.
F
They
do
allow
you
to
do
if
you're
doing
improvements
at
50
less
than
50
percent.
You
are
allowed
to
do
that.
Our
regulations
allow
you
to
to
do
50
percent
every
five
years.
So
you
can't
come
to
me
today
and
say:
I've
got
a
building
worth
a
hundred
thousand.
It
was
built
in
1960
I'm
gonna
do
50
thousand
dollars
worth
of
improvements
to
it,
but
I'm
not
gonna
bring
it
up
to
elevations.
F
Now
you've
got
a
building
worth
150
thousand
and
then
in
2010
come
to
me
and
say:
you're
gonna
do
75
thousand
dollars
worth
of
improvements
and
still
basically
not
bring
it
into
conformance,
and
so
that's
been
addressed
in
the
new
flood
regulations
and
then
the
final
key
change
is
relation
to
critical
facilities
can
are
prohibited
in
the
20-year
floodplain
and
existing
critical
facilities
within
the
20-year
are
allowed
to
to
have
standard
maintenance
necessary
to
continue
their
operations.
So
that
would
address
something
like
you
know:
hospitals,
police,
fire
emergency.
F
Anything
like
that
Red
Cross
shelters,
something
like
that
would
not
be
able
to
be
built
in
the
20-year
floodplain.
That's
just
sound
management
to
make
sure
that
the
critical
facilities
that
we
would
need
in
a
flooding
events
are
not
actually
flooded
out,
so
they
cannot
provide
those
services
to
us.
G
F
F
We
did
have
a
public
meeting
on
it
about
two
weeks
ago.
70
people
I
believe
came
for
that
public
meeting.
We
had
incredible
amount
of
data
that
was
collected
and
points
of
view
that
were
extremely
helpful.
We
will
have
a
follow
up
preliminary
plan
presentation,
I
believe
on
November
12th
at
7:00
p.m.
at
the
community
center
I'll
probably
be
talking
about
that
in
about
a
month
or
so
or
in
a
couple
weeks
with
you
guys
just
to
give
you
more
detail
on
it.
F
The
Andy
stone
met
with
Bart
Kessler,
who
is
the
developer
for
the
laundromat
project
on
north
carpenter,
street
or
north
lancaster,
whichever
he
met
with
him,
and
they
have
worked
out
a
arrangement
for
the
access
concern
that
the
Planning
Commission
gave
them
on
their
title
41.
That
was
one
of
the
requirements
to
actually
begin.
The
project
was
that
they
meet
with
Andy
stone
and
work
out
an
access
management
plan,
and
he
has
worked
that
out
with
them.
F
He
will
be
following
up
shortly
to
the
Planning
Commission,
with
more
detail
on
that,
and
we
do
have
a
few
title:
41
projects
that
will
be
coming
before
the
Planning
Commission
in
the
next
month
likely
at
least
one
at
the
21st
tony
Farion
castle,
Brook
properties
I,
do
have
a
copy
of
site
plans
for
all
of
you.
That
I'll
give
you
at
the
end
of
the
meeting.
D
We've
had
some
title
41
projects
that
we
talked
about,
trying
to
require
them
to
put
fire
suppression,
then
finding
out
that
we
probably
cannot
really
require
that
it
is
a
conflict
of
the
building
code,
even
though
it
is
coming
from
the
chief.
It
is
more
stricter
that
is
still
in
conflict
with
the
code.
So
therefore
we
cannot
really
enforce
that,
but
what
we
are
able
to
do
is
start
looking
at
duplexes
and
triplexes
a
little
different
way
through
our
departments.
D
D
That's
great
and
two
other
things
both
in
regards
of
signs,
maybe
no
one.
Here.
The
sandwich
board
situation,
uptown
passed
out
the
Flyers
last
Friday
or
a
week
ago,
Friday.
We
had
18
sandwich
boards
on
Court
Street
that,
to
my
knowledge,
every
one
of
them
has
taken
the
men
supposed
to
and
as
of
right
now
complying
with
what
we've
requested
and
and
then
the
other
issue
which
I
don't
know
exactly
which
way
we
pursue.
D
Maybe
we
have
to
write
something
up
is
the
one
section
in
our
code
with
the
temporary
signs
and
ab3
district
primarily
for
strip
malls.
We've
got
a
concern
that
we're
coming
across
in
our
office
with
people
come
in
wanting
temporary
signs
for
County
State
Street,
for
example,
on
a
strip
mall.
If
there's
eight
businesses
in
there,
if
a
person
comes
in
and
wants
to
apply
for
temporary
science,
how
many
can
they
have?
D
D
D
Actually
have
it
into
place
on
two
by
two:
that's
a
four
foot,
four
square
foot
sign
they
can
have
25
of
those
signs.
Is
it
per
tenant
or
is
it
gonna
be
per
the
whole
building,
since
the
building
has
multiple
tenants
and
if
it's
for
the
age
10
and
if
there's
8
tenants,
then
you're
gonna
have
two
hundred
signs
there,
which
obviously
none
of
us
want
so
I'm
trying
to
think
of
the
later.
D
G
Theory,
though,
let's
say
I'm
looking:
okay,
Market
Market
and
State
Street,
for
instance,
that
has
one
large
sign
and
it's
got
all
the
tenants
listed
on
that
Sun
and
really
that's
all
they
can
have.
They
can
have
and
tear
this
making
out
of
temporary
signs
as
well
one
large
temperate
one
time
for
a
sign.
D
G
G
I
G
I
Much
as
you
would
the
mall,
where,
basically
you
have
one
representative:
if
you've
got
for
something
you
know,
then
it
has
to
come
through
the
homeowners
association.
I
mean
it
University
Commons
is
is
similar
in
nature
as
far
as
being
able
to
purchase,
and
they
don't
seem
to
have
that
problem
and
they
have
basically
they
deal
through
the
one
realtor
that
that
works
out
of
University
Commons.
So
you
know
maybe
is
the
answer
is
to
the
homeowners
association
of
any
establishment.
A
I
guess
it
would
encourage
either
if
you're
gonna
be
a
mall.
You
have
fact
is
one
end,
one
sort
of
identity,
and
if
you
don't
like
it
that
way,
then
you
would
try
to
go
away
from
the
mall
and
be
a
sort
of
your
own
sort
of
persona,
or
something
like
that.
Now.
What
I
one
of
my
picture
is
who
applies
for
temporary
son?
Is
it
the
like?
A
If
you
is
it
the
tenant
or
the
person
that
owns
the
property
Tana,
so
that
is
yes,
all
bunch
of
individual
talents
could
apply
for
the
sign,
but
we
can
only
give
them
one.
So
who
you
know
is
the
first
one
out
of
the
gate
gets
the
temporary
sign
or
you
know
I
mean
that's
where
I
don't
know.
If
it's
really
is
the
tenant
or
if
it
shouldn't
it,
be
though,
that's.
A
G
Believe
the
City
Council
start
by
having
a
public
hearing
next,
not
next
Monday
but
Monday
after
which
would
be
the
19th
I.
Think
concerning
when
we
talk
about
the
changes
of
that
the
letter
changing
between
b2
to
be
to
3
b3
to
be
two.
They
were
going
to
have
a
public
hearing
on
that
before
the
regular
session
of
City
Council,
okay,
so
that
would
be
at
7:00
and
I
just
want
to
relay
it
because
it
does
relate
to
what
we're
doing
absolutely
and
we
just
looked
at
it
as
a
kind
of
a
typo
right.
G
J
J
A
I
mean
I.
Another
thing
is
at
the
end
anything
you
know
if
you
had
on
the
reports,
if
something
was
prepared,
you
know
as
well
that
would
be
of
use
to
the
Commission.
You
could
always
submit
that
as
well,
and
that
could
be
part
of
a
minute,
but
otherwise
you
know
it
can
just
listen.
That
sure
can
cover
self
very
good.
All
right
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
to
adjourn
for
a
second.