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A
Storm,
okay,
you
have.
Your
attention
would
like
to
call
the
Planning
Commission
meeting
to
into
session
we've
established
quorum.
So
we
can
begin
if
there's
anyone
that
is
going
to
speak
other
than
our
officials
and
Planning
Commission.
That
would
like
to
stand
up
and
finish
and
like
to
administer
no.
B
A
Anthony,
if
Aaron,
do
you
promise
to
tell
the
truth
to
the
best
of
your
knowledge
to
this
Commission?
Yes,
all
right,
Thank
You,
mr.
Denham.
Our
first
case
on
today's
agenda
is
number
zero:
nine
zero,
eight
Castle
Brooks
Stewart
Street
Apartments
at
63,
Stewart
Street.
It
is
a
title,
41
site
plan
review.
The
this
looks
like
the
city
officials
have
already
gone
through
the
process
of
reviewing
it.
So
I
think
we
might
begin
with
the
city
planner
Paulo.
If
you
want
to
go
ahead
and
run
us
through
this
41
preview,
sure.
C
C
C
Mister
passkey
reviewed
it
for
code
and
zoning
at
meet
zoning.
It
did
not
need
any
variances
all
of
those
setback,
issues
etc
are
addressed
and
are
fine.
They've
already
made.
Adjustments
and
John
has
a
copy
of
the
revised
site
plans
that
reflect
the
issues
that
he
had
with
parking,
so
they
have
address
that
I
do
not
believe
they
have
addressed
the
documentation
of
that
16th
parking
space
off-site,
yet
that
would
likely
be
a
condition
that
would
be
need
to
needed
to
review
unless
mr.
Perron
as
well
Tony.
C
If
you
want
to
come
on
you're,
welcome
to
then
as
far
as
those
issues,
everything
is
pretty
standard.
The
second
page
has
more
detail
on
things
that
the
Public
Works
Department
will
need
to
verify
that
it
meets
code.
I,
think
those
are
pretty
straightforward
as
well.
I've
provided
this
documentation
to
John,
Vaillant
or
mr.
ferry
ins,
architect
last
Friday,
so
that
he
should
be
aware
of
these
issues
and
be
addressing
them
for
us.
C
But
for
the
most
part,
a
lot
of
the
concerns
were
about
where
infrastructure
was
shown
on
the
plans
and
mr.
Andy
stone.
Our
public
works
director
made
a
few
comments
and
adjusted
things
physically
on
the
site
plan
and
we've,
given
that
to
mr.
balance
wore
so
that
they
can
change
the
plan
to
reflect
where
the
physical
infrastructure
actually
lies.
So
that
being
said,.
D
C
There's
elevation
is
it:
it
meets
athens,
city,
floodplain,
title
25,
it's
good
on
that.
It's
got
the
venting.
The
elevation
lowest
floor,
etc
is
adequate
okay,
so.
E
E
E
C
C
F
No
he's,
yes,
the
parking
on
one
side
came
into
the
side
yard
setback
by
three
foot.
They
adjust
to
the
size
of
their
parking
spaces
on
a
couple
of
them
so
that
it
now
complies
and
the
sixteenth
parking
space
they've
done.
Indeed,
one
of
them,
or
one
of
them
needs
to
be
needed
from
the
property.
The
Tony
owns
on
six
mill
liar
and
we
did
go
down
and
verified
that
there
is
one
space
available
for
him
to
deed
on
that
property.
For
this
one.
So,
ok
to
do
that.
F
E
B
E
B
B
We
tried
several
times
to
try
to
address
some
of
these
issues
with
them
and
couldn't
get
any
coordination
with
these
people
at
all
down
there,
and
you
know
Paul,
just
kind
of
put
this
on
my
plate
today
and
I
tried
to
my
architect
and
I,
tried
to
spearhead
a
lot
of
these
problems
way
before
this
and
couldn't
get.
Anybody
who
wanted
to
talk
to
us
tried
to
set
up
appointments
down
there
too,
and
it
almost
seemed
like
nobody
wanted
to
be
accountable
for
any
any
kind
of
anything.
The
way
I
kind
of
saw
it.
B
The
storm
sewer
I
knew
exactly
where
it
was
because
we,
and
with
in
conjunction
with
the
city,
put
that
storm
in
and
I'm
just
you
know
kind
of
glancing
over
some
of
this
stuff,
and
you
know
it's
like
wow
I
wish
I
would
have
had
some
cooperation
from
these
people
when
I
asked
for
help
before
and
it
just
seemed
like
nobody
wanted
to
cooperate
with
me.
You
know,
nor
did
they
want
to
cooperate
with
my
architect,
so
I
mean
I,
know
it's
a
process,
but
that's
the
only
issue
that
I
see.
B
E
Assume
with
you
a
demolition
that
I
wouldn't
buy
it
to
look
at
the
site.
I
was
kind
of
surprised.
The
bulldozers
are
there
I
assume
you
did
all
the
oops
stuff
and
made
sure.
Oh
yeah,
that's
a
place.
Okay,
so
you
had
some
data
from
that.
Obviously,
okay,
what
something
we'll
look
into
in
terms
of
administration
so.
A
B
No,
actually,
we
tried
to
get
with
the
city
before
these
before
when
this
was
being
set
down
on
paper,
okay
and
couldn't
get
any
quote
of
coordination
or
cooperation
from
them
until
I
guess
Paul
stepped
in
and
and
he
got
some
cooperation
from
him.
So
it
was.
Fate
was
frustrating
to
my
architect
and
you
know
and
that
transmits
over
to
me
and
then
you
know
then
I
get
kind
of
frustrated
because
you
know
we're
and
I
do
understand
its
process,
but
maybe
just
a
little
bit
more
cooperation.
A
little
more
coordination
between
the
water
department.
B
A
I
think
the
key
is
that
you
want
to
go
through.
You
know
either
the
person
that's
gonna,
be
reviewing
the
code.
Luke
John
TASKE,
where
the
planner
first
and
I
think
he's
gonna
be
able
to
get
you
in
contact
with
the
the
proper
channels.
I
think
it's
harder
to
kind
of
just
go
out
there
and
try
to
be
like
well
I
need
to
know
where
sewers
aren't
contacting
Syria,
it's
something
that
they
can
sort
of.
You
know
when
they
sit
down
and
meet
with
any
stone
or
other
departments
regularly.
A
E
One
of
the
things
we're
trying
we
are
trying
to
work
behind
the
scenes
is
try
getting
our
GIS
coordinated.
This
is
one
of
the
issues
right
there
is
that
we
have
a
lot
of
information.
That's
you
know
on
hardcopy
plans
that
don't
aren't
reflected
in
the
GIS.
So
there's
a
little
bit
we're
working
on
that.
This.
E
D
B
B
G
You're
coming
at
the
perspective,
the
existing
one
that
he
has
I,
don't
know
if
you've
gone
down
there
or
not
it's
across
the
street,
and
that
was
a
funnel
channel
through
approved
prior
to
title
41,
taking
effect
because
dirt
had
been
moved
even
though
the
building
had
not
been
constructed
and
erected
and
if
I
may
share
Tony.
There
were
multiple
issues
with
some
of
the
infrastructure
being
placed
down
there
and
you
shared
with
me
your
frustration.
G
A
A
Next,
as
their
only
case
today,
we
do
have
a
couple
items
of
communication
from
our
last
meeting
that
have
been
carried
over
number.
One
is
the
review
request
regarding
be
too
deep
rezoning
that
was
originally
brought
forth
by
Mike
smelter
representative,
his
I
think
where
we
left
that
we
had
Christine
fall
from
City
Council
had
requested
that
the
planner
provided
memo
with
his
sort
of
feeling
in
professional
opinion
on
the
rezoning
of
the
beef
tree
area
of
the
BTD.
A
C
There
have
been
some
changes
to
the
zoning
code
since
then,
since
John
updated.
For
that
the
other
thing
I
included
in
this
packet
is
just
a
what
the
comprehensive
plan
states
about
uptown
Athens,
which
does
seem
to
support
the
rezoning.
It
is
my
opinion
that
I
think
a
rezoning
of
that
north
end
of
court
Street
is
valid
based
upon
this
situation.
C
That
does
seem
logical
to
me
that
we
don't
have
different
requirements
for
signage,
different
requirements
for
parking,
different
requirements
for
Heights
and
things
like
that
as
soon
as
you
cross,
State
Street,
in
my
mind
at
least
there's
not
much
difference
between
the
north
and
south
of
State
Street,
and
so
we
should
bring
those
both
into
conformance
I.
Do
know
that
there
are
always
concerns
about
these
changes.
I
did
provide
a
second
option
if
rezoning
is
a
concern
and
one
would
be
do
the
option
would
be
to
create
a
parking
overlay
for
that
district.
C
C
It
seems
like
this
an
easy
way
to
at
least
bring
in
some
additional
funding
into
the
city
and
I
believe
that
parking
as
providing
parking
for
commercial
businesses
just
generally,
is
not
the
best
use
of
that
land.
If
we
can
fill
in
some
of
those
holes
and
get
the
entire
run
of
court
Street,
looking
like
like
it
does
from
Union
down
to
state
I,
think
that's
a
good
thing
for
our
uptown
business
district.
C
F
F
Able
to
find
that,
but
based
on
the
minutes
that
went
to
the
Planning
development
committee,
back
in
May
of
2007,
it
looked
like
there
were
about
70
parking
spaces
that
would
change.
They
could
be
good
change.
Yes
and
my
other
recommendation
of
stopping
the
fall
was
I.
Think
before
any
recommendation
is
made
to
council.
Is
that
the
finalization
of
that
typo
between
the
B
to
D
and
the
beats
Bri
and
I
think
that
that
goes
through
the
other
night?
No.
E
F
H
C
C
H
Some
of
the
concerns
that
I've
heard
from
a
couple
people
was
the
increase
if
additional
height
was
created
in
some
of
these
buildings
for
residential
use,
that
there
would
likely
be
a
resident,
a
vehicle
spillage
onto
the
the
streets
of
of
like
the
Near
North
Side.
Where
would
the
park
and
go
their
second
concern
that
someone
brought.
C
E
Consistently
as
if
there's
75
commercial
parking
spaces
that
could
be
turned
into
residential
the
concept
there
is
that
the
max
we
could
probably
see
75
more
pit
somewhere
in
there
and
again,
this
doesn't
I
look
at
some
of
the
locations
there,
and
some
people
probably
will
not
get
rid
of
their
commercial
parking
because
it
but
who's
them
to
have
right.
H
Not
that
I'm
marking
one
way
the
other
right
yeah.
Do
you
think
also,
though,
that
when
you
talk
about
the
commercial
parking
aspect
that
maybe
some
of
the
revitalization
of
the
north
end
of
Court
Street
has
taken
place,
because
there
was
a
lot
of
lofts
off
street
commercial
parking
available?
That
made
things
easier
for
people
to
to
go
to
these
offices
or
stores
restaurants
what-have-you.
C
Don't
believe
and
I
would
say,
no
I
haven't
heard
any
commercial
business
owners
say
that
requiring
parking
is
a
benefit
to
them.
I
to
me
it
would
be
if,
if
you
think
it's
a
benefit
to
have
parking
off
street,
there's
nothing
in
the
code
that
says
you
can't
have
it
this
gives.
This
would
give
you
the
option
of
utilizing
parking
for
other
purposes
and
getting
parking
on
street
where
we
got
meters.
That
would
be.
That
would
add
to
the
city's
coffers,
which
would
be
a
good
thing
in
light
of
current
budgets.
C
So
I'm
not
aware
of
that,
I
would
bet
that
there
are
several.
If
not,
if
you've
got
parking
and
you
like
having
on-site
parking,
you
may
not
want
to
give
that
up,
and
that
would
be
an
option
they
would
have
so
I
would,
in
my
mind,
that
should
be
up
to
the
property
owner
to
make
that
decision
what
they
think
is
best
for
their
business.
E
Well,
you
look
at
I
think
it's
the
parking
on
the
corner
of
State
and
Congress
I
think
that
would
be
landlords
parking
which
is
technically
in
the
B
to
D.
So
technically
that
could
turn
into
residential
parking.
If
somebody
chose
to
do
it,
but
obviously
you
know
you
know
the
merchants
and
the
business
to
said.
I
have
made
choice
thing
rather
than
do
this.
We
do
we
keep
our
commercial
parking
again.
E
E
No,
this
is
a.
This
is
a
cold.
This
is
why
we're
here
to
decide
this
one
of
the
points
of
order.
I'd,
look
the
interested.
If
we're
gonna
revote
on
this,
should
we
actually
pass
it
through
put
a
public
hearing
in
place
and
do
most
resilient
changes
require
some
kind
of
public
hearing.
Now
it's
been
done
before
it's
been
done,
I
think
at
least
twice
to
my
knowledge,
but
Harry.
Do
you
know
how
many
times
we've
gots
our
public
hearing
in
this
I
know?
At
least
it's
been
done.
E
H
D
H
E
H
Throw
it
to
Council,
yeah
I,
think
at
that
point
that
really
council
doesn't
have
too
much
ground
to
stand
on
as
far
as
kicking
it
back
here
again,
then,
you
know:
you've
had
you've
done
everything
you've,
exhausted
everything
necessary
on
this
end
and
there's
just
they.
We
put
their
feet
to
the
fire
and
make
them
make
a
decision.
Finally,
okay.
D
H
Think
that
would
be,
you
know
helpful
for
the
business
owners
of
town
just
as
much
as
everybody
else
is
just
to
eliminate
all
the
options
of
further
discussion.
Further
lack
of
knowledge
on
the
part
of
counsel
just
to
get
it
all
out
and
and
be
able
to
take
it
to
Council
and
just
say
here.
It
is
now
make
a
decision.
H
A
E
Have
several
options
you
could
bring
it
up
and
vote
it
down.
You
could
put
it
through
committee
and
let
it
die
in
committee,
which
is
a
as
you
see,
starts
at
the
local
level
goals
all
the
way
up
to
the
federal
air.
It
may
never
leave
the
planning.
Development
Committee
it'd
be
nice
to
say
yes,
this,
which
I
think
is
probably
where
it
ended
at
most
I,
don't
think,
has
ever
been
a
clear
vote.
It
just
hasn't
been.
A
A
A
E
If
you
talk
about
something
from
we,
it
would
come
from
the
grassroots
to
have
been
occasions.
I
know
from
my
side
of
town
and
more
sanity
as
those
used
to
be
our
two
duplex
areas.
It
was
a
series
of
signatures
brought
up
through
on
the
grassroots
level
to
turn
these
into
single-family
housing.
Again
it
still
to
make
it
law.
You
still
have
to
go
through
the
legislative
process.
E
B
H
Of
register
how
much
people
are
interested
from
a
non-business
standpoint,
I
mean
we've
heard
smatterings
of
like
law
concerned
about
quality
of
life.
Issues
from
the
Near
North
Side,
you
know,
is
to
give
these
people
the
opportunity
to
have
a
to
be
in
front
of
a
forum
where,
if
they're,
that
concern,
if
they're,
that
interested
that
they
could
come
up
here
and
add
to
the
to
the
discussion,
would.
A
G
H
Would
like
to
see
the
Planning
Commission
just
demonstrate
once
in
fraud.
We've
just
done
everything
you
know
through
through
five
recommendations.
This
would
be
the
fifth
I
think
that
we've
done
everything
we
could.
You
know,
there's
always
gonna,
be
one
new
face
on
council,
so
you
know
just
to
eliminate
any
type
of
you
know:
validation
for
not
voting
on
the
issue.
Okay,.
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Again,
there
are
circumstances
where
people
bought
remote
has
wharton
mister.
What
was
here
last
time
he
bought
remote
parking
on
high
street
to
fulfill
the
need
of
his
places
for
the
residential
and
that's
an
option
as
well
for
any
property
over
there.
Who
decides
to
do
this?
You
know,
I
think
we
have
the
the
next
question.
We
have
to
look
through
again
with
title
41
or
any
these
type
of
construction
would
do.
We
have
the
infrastructure
to
deal
with
the
growth
and
that's
for
the
downline.
As
people
come
to
plans
again
we're
taking
it.
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F
What
I
just
handed
you
was
kind
of
where
we
were
talking
about?
Lastly,
for
last
meeting
and
the
proposal:
remover
amendment
sections
prohibiting
vegetable
gardening
and
athma
city
code
and
adding
it
in
C.
Well,
currently,
it's
in
conditionally
permitted
uses
number
three
and
going
back
looking
at
the
old
code,
putting
it
back
into
the
permitted
accessory
uses
and
adding
an
item
number
nine,
which
is
what
you'll
see
there:
my
gardening
domestic
animals
etc.
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The
old
section
was
it's:
on
the
third
page
I
hand
in
item
number,
one
on
the
very
upper
Lapworth,
the
gardening
farm
animals
on
the
last
page,
were
used
to
being
the
cook.
Many
years
ago,
yeah.
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F
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In
other
words,
they
could
have
a
garden,
they
couldn't
have
it
fence
in
the
front,
correct,
yeah,
okay
and
we
still
I
see
the
section
part.
Second
part
that
would
approach
this,
of
course,
is
something
about
we
not
just
weeds,
but
that's
from
the
tent.
Well,
that's
further
down
the
line.
Yes,
we
have
to.
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C
The
conversation
with
the
Planning
Commission
recipe-
'if
this
is
dialogue
for
a
while,
with
the
long-term
goal
of
getting
something
adopted.
The
north
end
of
Court
Street
out
of
the
whole,
as
you
can
see
from
this
athens
messenger
article
from
1982
was
listed
and
you
can
see
the
boundaries
as
part
of
the
as
a
national
historic
place
in
the
that
was
December,
9th
1982.
So
in
the
twenty
twenty
seven
twenty
six
and
a
half
years
since
then,
the
city
is
not.
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We
haven't
done
anything
as
a
city
to
confirm
and
to
encourage
the
preservation
and
the
look
and
the
feel
of
that
historic
district.
Our
comprehensive
plan
recommends
that
we
create
a
historic
preservation,
district
overlay
as
well
as
apply
for,
what's
called
a
certified
local
government,
which
is
a
process
done
by
the
Ohio
Historical
Society,
for
it
is
a
grant
one
of
the
things
it
does
is
a
certified
local
government.
C
The
Ohio
Historical
Society
puts
available
grant
monies
for
communities
that
go
through
this
process
to
do,
to
get
funding,
to
restore
historic
neighborhoods,
to
reinvest
in
those
neighborhoods
grants
for
buildings
to
refurbish
them,
and
things
like
that.
As
part
of
the
requirements
of
that,
the
big
requirement
is
the
adoption
of
a
historic
preservation,
ordinance
and
I've
included
some
documentation
on
that
in
this
packet.
C
It
seems
to
me
that,
even
though
any
building
or
any
district
is
registered
by
the
national
as
a
National
Historic
place,
or
even
in
that
for
a
national,
historic
building
that
does
not
give
that
building
any
protection
whatsoever,
it
can
be
redone
refurbished
demolished,
so
anything
can
be
done
to
that
building.
That
could
be
done
if
it
wasn't
registered
and
so
registration
does
not
give
any
protections
to
our
uptown
district
that
we
are
doing
any
preservation
of
it
any
demonstrating
any
concern
for
it.
C
The
uptown
business
district
or
the
Uptown
Business
Association
supports
this
change
from
the
communications
I've
had
with
them
they're
working
right
now
to
raise
monies
to
get
more
streetscape
improvements
done,
so
we
can
put
in
benches,
put
in
tree
grates
put
in
tree
guards
around
the
street
trees
uptown.
But
what
we
don't
have
is
anything
formal
that
says:
let's,
let's
review,
how
facades
look
uptown,
let's
try
to
find
money
for
grants
so
that
we
can
get
better-looking
building
facades,
uptown
and
things
like
that.
C
So
this
would
be
something
as
a
general
rule.
It
would
city
council
ultimately
would
adopt
the
ordinance.
You
would
then
have
a
historic
preservation
committee,
similar
to
a
planning
Commissioner
or
to
a
shade
tree
Commission,
that
once
we've
adopted
and
recognized
historic
districts,
then
you
may
you
may
develop
certain
design
standards
for
those
for
doing
work
in
that
district.
You're,
not
saying
that
everything
done
on
Court
Street
needs
to
look
like
court
Street
did
in
1930.
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C
Generally,
with
most
of
these
committees
and
it's
the
recommendation,
this
is
what
the
Ohio
Historical
Society
they're
best
practice
is
to
have
this
type
of
a
committee.
Okay,
you
want
to
get
a
committee
for
a
city
of
F,
the
city
of
Athens
size,
probably
a
committee
of
five
people.
You
would
want
to
focus
on.
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Probably,
if
you
can,
you
want
somebody
who
is
knowledgeable
in
historic
preservation,
whether
that's
a
local
historian,
planner
somebody
from
the
Athens
County
Historical,
Society,
a
history
professor
to
you,
somebody
like
that,
an
architect,
possibly
an
attorney
or
a
business
owner
or
a
land
developer,
or
somebody
like
that.
Who
also
has
concerns
for
these
types
of
things.
C
It's
usually
how
you
want
to
have
that
committee
established
you
don't
just
want
to
have
you
know
to
save
five
citizens
who
may
or
may
not
have
any
background
or
education
or
understanding
of
some
of
these
issues,
so
you
want
to
make
it
a
professional
committee.
Just
like
you
would
a
Planning
Commission,
just
like
our
shade
tree
Commission
is
I,
don't
think
I'd
be
fit
to
serve
on
the
shade
tree
Commission,
based
upon
my
limited
knowledge
of
of
nature
of
trees.
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C
A
lot
there
yeah
and
like
I,
said
I
I,
don't
think
this
is
something
we
want
to
do.
There's
no
decisions
I'm
asking
for
today,
but
I
do
think.
This
is
really
important
and
I
think
there's
a
discussion
that
as
a
city
we
need
to,
we
need
to
start
moving
in
this
direction,
specifically
with
the
uptown
business
district,
to
try
to
preserve
that,
for
the
sake
of
the
community.
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For
the
sake
of
you
know
all
the
visitors
that
come
into
town,
that
we've
got
something
that
looks
good
up
there
and
that
we
know
that
we
have
it
looking
good,
because
we've
got
it
built
into
our
ordinance
and
into
our
code
process
to
guarantee
that
we
have
those
types
of
that
project
going
on.
Okay,
that's
all
I
had.
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That's
just
an
application
process,
but
to
be
a
certified
local
government.
There's
requirements,
upfront
and
one
is
that
you
have
a
historic.
You
have
a
historic
review
committee
that
is
built
in
through
a
historic
preservation
ordinance,
so
those
are
usually
those
are
the
two
big
steps.
These
are
also
requirements
that
we
would
need
if
we
want
it
to
be,
to
join
the
Main
Street
project
done
by
heritage
Ohio
to
have
a
Main
Street
coordinator
for
the
Uptown
district,
or
something
like
nelson
bill
is
doing
right
now.
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Questions
for
Johnny
I
do
have
a
general
calm.
I
want
to
thank
the
both
of
you.
I
think
you've
done
an
outstanding
job
of
putting
together
these
the
site
plan,
review,
process
and
sort
of
pushing
it
through
where's.
Before
we
kind
of
had
a
meeting
preliminary
where
it
was
brought
forth,
you
just
like
discussed
I
think
it.
You
know
it
helps
sort
of
speed
up
the
meetings
and
speed
up
the
process
for
the
applicants
as
well.
A
By
having
the
reviews
done
ahead
of
time,
where
you
know
it's,
it's
really
sort
of
thorough
sort
of
review
on
your
part
so
that
the
Planning
Commission
can
make
it.
You
have
very
informed
decisions.
I
want
to
thank
you
both
for
that.
Thank
you.
There's
no
further
comments
or
questions
with
the
from
our
reports.
Sun
of
the
agenda.
No,
it's
opportunity
for
citizens.