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Athens Planning Commission - July 15, 2021
A
A
Parking
is
you
know,
you
talk
about
a
carrot
and
a
stick.
Parking
could
be
a
carrot,
but
right
now
it's
a
stick
and
it
is
used
not
intentionally,
but
it
is
an
anti-business
sort
of
stick
where
it
could
be
used
to
encourage
development
of
the
various
types
of
development
has
been
identified,
not
only
in
our
sustainability
plan,
our
pedestrian
and
bicycle
plan,
our
housing
plan
and
the
comprehensive
plan
of
development.
That's
that
helps
everybody,
not
just
car
oriented
development.
That
means
smaller
apartments.
We
know
that
that's
a
real
need
in
the
city
of
athens.
A
A
People
talk
about
right,
sizing,
the
parking
requirements
and
that's
basically,
what
we're
doing
some
areas
of
parking
are
over
emphasized
or
over
supplied
and
other
ones
kind
of
create
problems
for
our
local
businesses
and
such
and-
and
I
think
two
examples
are-
are
good
when
we
to
talk
about
the
different
changes
I
have
proposed
for
this.
That
council
has
put
forward,
as
this
recommendation
so
there's
three
general
ways
that
this
has
changed:
the
sizes
of
our
parking
spots.
The
size
has
now
been
not
reduced,
but
there's
now
a
maximum.
Instead
of
a
minimum.
A
We
have
fat
spots
across
the
kind
of
industry,
best
management
practices,
they're
quite
large,
bigger
than
our
bedroom
requirements.
Indeed,
you
can
change
the
total
number
of
spaces
per
unit.
That's
what
we
mostly
rely
on
is
our
table
b,
how
many
spaces
you
have
to
do
in
certain
types
of
development.
A
A
Minimums
no
maximum,
sorry,
you
can
create
minimums,
which
is
what
we
use
or
we
can
create
maximums
working
with
the
city
administration.
We
have
updated
the
the
b
table
with
minimums.
A
So
why
do
this?
You
know
why
I
keep
talking
about
the
comprehensive
plan
because
of
public
input
over
numerous
plans
from
sustainability
to
the
comprehensive
plan.
Through
that
whole
process
parking
has
been
an
issue
brought
up
by
everybody.
You
know
there's
not
enough
or
there's
too
much
or
I'm
having
problem.
We
have
to
rock
our
cars,
and
so,
through
the
last
few
years
we
have
been
identifying
those
problems
and
changing
them
incrementally,
and
this
is
kind
of
the
last
step.
A
So
there,
if
you
look
through
the
comforts
and
plan
sustainability
plan,
there
is
many
places
where
it
is
supported
from
actual
words
that
have
been
put
into
the
resolution
that
we're
asking
you.
A
So
I
want
to
talk
about
what
the
major
change
is
for
this
and
one
word:
it's
flexibility,
flexibility
for
the
city
to
be
able
to
work
with
various
developers,
home
owners
and
those
sort
of
place,
people
to
design
and
develop
what
makes
sense
on
that
site
in
that
moment.
For
that
type
of
development,
a
fullest
is
a
good
example
right
now
it's
empty.
A
A
Small
and
one
bedroom
apartments
tend
not
to
have
big
parties
like
five
bedroom
units,
so
that
is
a
is
a
good
change
and
that's
been
identified
with
different
types
of
people
coming
forward.
The
economic
development
commission
has
told
us
over
and
over
so
it
gives
flexibility
for
something
like
that
for
that
building
an
iconic
building
not
to
be
empty.
For
years
and
years,
the
other
place
uptown
is
also
donkey.
A
For
them
it's
if
they
don't
get
people,
they
end
up
costing
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
money
and
angie
piles
they've,
you
know
spent
twenty
thousand
dollars
a
year
for
parking.
A
So
the
two
things
that
made
that's
been
changed
is
the
ability
to
have
two
different
people:
let's
see
how
to
two
different
landlords,
let's
say
or
building
owners
or
businesses
right
now,
churches
is
a
good
example.
They
can
use
parking
from
a
different
use
like
say
all
the
people
who
come
in
and
work
monday
through
friday,
and
so
for
them.
It
has
to
be
within
500
yards
and
there's
certain
things
put
in
the
parking
20,
the
the
regulations.
We
have
now
outline
what
that
they
have
to
do.
A
What
many
cities
have
found
works
really
well
for
everybody
involved
is
having
shared
parking.
So
let's
say
you
have
a
business
you're,
a
law
person
or
something
you
have
four
spaces
and
they're
used
during
the
day,
but
at
night
they're
not
used.
Well,
you
can
you
can
make
in
a
work
with
somebody
who
needs
those
four
spaces
for
let's
say
a
restaurant
and
work
it
out
and
have
a
legal
certificate
that
says
those
four
spaces
can
be
used.
A
Okay,
if
you're
within
a
certain
dis
distance
from
a
certified
transit,
you
know
route,
then
you
can
have.
The
city
has
more
flexibility
to
work
with
you
on
designing
different
developments.
A
Now
I
think
this
is
really
important
to
look
at
things
such
as
redevelopment,
because
right
now
redevelopment
is
extraordinarily
hard,
and
so
we
have
inefficient
land
uses
such
as
the
use,
the
car
lots
that
are
up
and
down
those
can
be
more
efficiently
used,
even
retaining
the
car
lots
on
the
site.
This
helps
those
sort
of
things
to
happen.
It's
been
seen
that
people
who
live
in
these
districts
tend
to
have
fewer
cars
per
person.
A
They
tend
to
support
and
maintain
the
transit.
That's
there,
so
it
provides,
for
you,
know,
customers
and
such
for
our
awesome
transit
system
and
that
most
places
it's
been
very
well
liked
by
the
neighbors
and
working
with
the
different
types
of
groups
and
neighborhoods
and
businesses
that
it's
been
development.
That's
been
beneficial
for
all.
A
The
other
exemption
is
that
for,
if
they're
out
of
a
transit
area,
you
know
basically,
if
you're
like
at
you,
know
university
estates
or
maybe
further
off,
that
there's
also
opportunity
for
you
do
the
development
that
we
want.
Then
you
may
be
able
to
get
reductions
in
your
parking.
Both
these
are
saying.
You
know
you
may
and
that's
the
flexibility
right
now.
A
So
such
things
as
if
they're,
low
income,
housing
tax
credit
projects,
if
you
provide
more
bicycle
parking,
you
should
be.
You
know
incent
incentivized,
to
do
that,
such
things
as
the
different
types
of
tools
that
we've
been
using
at
the
city
level,
such
as
designated
downtown
redevelopment
districts,
special
improvement,
districts,
opportunity
zones
or
innovative
zones
right
now
that
doesn't
have
that
language
in
it.
So
that's
very
flexible
for
those
very
innovative
tools
to
be
able
to
get
affordable
housing
and
those
sort
of
things
infill
or
rental
conversion.
A
People
talk
about
wanting
to
convert
the
rentals
that
are,
you
know
further
out
in
the
outer
orbits
right.
I
think
that
alan
used
that
term,
but
if
they
have
to
come
in
and
turn
35
of
their
backyard
into
parking,
that
does
that's
not
really
a
incentive
to
be
able
to
do
a
conversion.
You
know
so
there's
those
sort
of
things
that
maybe
they
they
are
helping
in
a
neighborhood
that
needs
more
homeowner
occupied
rentals
or
not,
and
not.
A
Rentals
plan
unit
developments,
uptown
business
zones
for
one
and
two
bedroom
units,
residential
tax,
increment
financing,
developments
with
at
least
50
percent,
universal
design
and
housing
with
net
zero
or
lead
certification,
and
these
are
called
out
in
our
housing
plan.
These
are
things
that
we
need
in
the
city
and
so
we're
incentivizing
people
to
come
in
and
develop
the
sort
of
things
that
we
need
and
we
have
identified
as
a
community
that
we
need
more
affordable.
A
C
Well
so
chris
you
mentioned
at
least
once
the
phallics
building,
so
under
this
plan,
what
would
be
the
parking
requirement
for
the
fallens
building,
assuming
they
do
what
they
had
proposed,
which
was,
I
think,
21
one
bedroom
or
efficiency
units
and
then
also,
then
you
have
the
first
floor
so
assume
that
it
would
be
a
restaurant.
D
C
Requirement
so
so
the
what
they
were
proposing
they
needed
to
have
40
plus
parking
spaces
for
that
or
get
a
variance
right
right.
So
what
would
this
do?
For
that?.
A
Well,
if
they
did
certain
things
with
their
development,
the
city
could
work
with
them
and
under
the
uptown
visit
zone
with
one
and
two
bedroom
units
they
would
get,
they
could
have
75
of
their
parking
abated.
I
guess
would
be
a
good
day
so,
depending
on
how
much
you
know
how
big
their
restaurant
is,
and
so
that
means
they
would
have
to
have
parking
for
the
other
part.
But
then
you
have
all
the
other.
A
D
D
C
Well,
well,
let's
just
say
for
upstairs,
then
75
of
the
40.
What
does
that
require,
then
that
that
takes
it
down
to
ten
spaces,
and
they
also
would
have
the
option
under
this,
I
think,
to
convert
some
of
those
by
putting
bicycle
parking
lot.
C
That's
an
administration,
so
they
would
so
right
now.
This
would
require
that
to
have
to
have
10
parking.
E
A
Right
but
but
it
it
says,
may
and-
and
that
is
the
big
thing
is
that
may
is
a
lot
different
than
shell,
and
this
will
you
know
right
now.
If
you
don't
have
the
40,
you
have
to
go
through
the
bza.
A
But
here
this
would
allow
for
sharing
of
lots
for
development
and
maybe
an
offsite
lot,
but
it
would
give
them
a
lot
more
flexibility
of
not
having
to
go
through
the
bza,
and
one
thing
about
the
bza
is:
it
seems
to
be
used
a
lot
as
the
final
arbor.
Well,
they
are
the
final
arbitrary,
but
if
you
have
an
either
or
system
like
we
have
now
that's
difficult.
A
C
Yeah,
okay,
so
so
so
one
of
the
one
of
the
concerns
of
from
my
perspective
about
xero
would
be
that
my
guess
is
that
of
the
21
tenants
or
whatever
in
the
building.
C
Probably
half
of
them
are
going
to
have
cars
and
and
and
they're
going
to
want
to
use
them,
and-
and
you
know
so
so
then
what
happens
when
they
decide
to
go
out
and
get
groceries.
You
know
they'll,
they
start
taking
metered
spaces
in
around
the
property,
which
then
impacts
the
central
core
businesses,
because
there's
fewer,
maybe
fewer
spaces
available.
I
I
don't
know
zero
seems
pretty
extreme
to
me.
C
I
you
know,
and
it's
a
may
thing
I
guess,
but
I
I
feel
like
they
ought
to
have
some
parking
at
least
for
people
to
be
able
to
stop
drop
off.
Groceries
go
to
their
apartment,
then
go
take
their
car
down
to
wherever
they
might
store
it
be
at
the
the
anyway
okay.
So
that
answer.
Okay,.
A
Well,
something
that
that
was
talked
about
at
council
was,
you
know
we
trained
students
for
two
years
to
go
without
a
car,
car
ownership
and
car
driving
is
on
a
trend
down,
especially
for
people
who
want
to
re-move
into
the
upper.
You
know
in
uptown
areas
and
and
such
so.
This
is
reoriented
from
you
know.
Car
focused
we're
not
saying
don't
do
anything
to
pedestrian,
you
know
bicycle
and
car,
and
this
goes
along
with
our
complete
streets
policy.
Also.
A
It's
our
it's
our
street
policy,
where
we
it's
where
we
have
in
this
is
pete's
baby.
Like
the
policy
that
you
know
you
do
a
complete
street,
like
east
state
street,
that's
a
complete
street
project
where
you
allow
and
you
plan
for
you
further
use
of
that
street.
Besides
pedestrians
or
cars,
so
bike
paths,
disability,
easy
access
to
certain
things,
those
sort
of
things
making
cities
remember
that
the
streets
are
not
only
for
cars.
G
G
It's
just
kind
of
clarifying
that
the
the
intent
is
when
we're
redesigning
when
we're
doing
major
street
improvement
projects
that
we
are
focusing
on
not
just
on
motor
vehicles
and
getting
getting
them
through,
but
also
making
sure
that
it's
got
high
quality
for
active
transportation.
So
that
means
for
bicycles,
for
pedestrians
and
for
people
with
disabilities
to
make
sure
that
the
street
works
for
them
as
well
as
working
for
for
motorists,
and
we
see
that
you
know
stimson
avenue.
G
A
B
B
One
more
question
from
council
mine:
is:
I'm
really
choking
on
the
1500
feet
from
a
bus?
Stop
I
mean
I
used
to
be
have
a
bus
stop
right
in
front
of
my
house
when
we
had
aorta,
I
guess
I'm
old
but
aorta
could
serve
up
there,
but
1500
feet
is
a
long
way,
especially
if
you're
a
mother
with
a
couple
toddlers
or
not
that
I
am
but
yeah.
D
A
Right
well
and
that's
something
for
planning
commission
to
look
at
too.
This
was
from
best
manager,
practices
and
other
communities
that
have
gone
and
done
these
sort
of
traffic,
and
and
it's
not
it's
not
new.
I
mean
cities
have
been
doing
this
sort
of
thing
for
a
long
time.
So.
B
B
About
five
minutes
uphill,
on
the
way
home
too.
For
me,
I
really
question
also
depending
on
the
transit
I
mean
I
was
kind
of
getting
in
my
car,
not
literally,
but
figuratively
and
driving
out
and
thinking.
Well,
if
you're
going
to
re-re-um
re-intensify,
the
land
use
along
each
of
those
pathways,
what
kind
of
a
city
will
it
look
like
and
I'm
not
sure
it's
going
to
be
a
great
looking
city,
because
it
is
already
over
developed,
probably.
H
D
B
D
B
Know
that
I
just
about
said
aorta,
the
transit
system
is
developed
enough
to
pin
our
hopes
on
that
for
the
future
and
also.
Secondly,
I
guess
my
other
question
is
what
happens
on
streets
that
are
very
narrow
and
have
a
lot
of
traffic
on
them.
Now,
for
example,
the
school
buses
on
columbia,
avenue
are
a
news,
are
not
a
nuisance,
but
they
are
afflicted
by
people
driving
through
it's
not
an
easy
time.
We
don't
have
room
for
a
sidewalk.
D
B
B
Not
in
a
subdivision-
and
I
will
say
that
I
started
out
thinking
that
I
was
buying
a
house
in
a
regular
neighborhood
and
it's
with
city
actions
and
the
rest.
It's
become
quite
a
thoroughfare
and
I'm
not
going
to
complain
anymore
about
colombia
because
I
like
it
up
there.
But
there
is
a
problem.
Not
all
streets
are
the
same
and
some
that
do
not
have
buses.
A
Well,
the
thing
is:
is
that
there's
really
not
that
much
development
that
would
go
up
in
your
area
either
I
mean
this
is
more
I'm
trying
to
get
people
to
look
at
using
our
urban
center
and
our
urban
streets
in
a
more
efficient
way
and
so
nobody's
going
to
start
going
up
and-
and
you
know,
moving
people
out
so
that
they
could
do
whatever
I
mean
there's.
There
is
not
that
type
of
pressure
in
athens
so.
A
Well
and
paul,
you
know
he
was
talking
when
we
were
talking
about
in
front
of
council.
I
think
that
that
he
from
the
research
and
stuff
that
he
has
you
know
a
pretty
good
idea
of
how
this
is
going
to
go
in
the
next
five
to
ten
years,
and
so.
B
E
D
A
E
Well-
and
most
of
this
was
just
a
question
about
a
statement-
we've
talked
about
conversions
from
from
rental
to
residential
that
this
would
allow
them
to
happen.
What
what's
the
is
there
something
in
the
code
that
I
don't
understand?
That's
affecting
that
today.
D
E
A
E
E
Oh
okay,
well
saying
that
if
you
I'm
not
sure
you
wanted
to
basically
not
get
a
rental
certificate
anymore
for
still
residential
residential,
that
if
it
didn't
meet
current
parking
requirements,
you
couldn't
convert
it,
which
I
didn't
think
it
was
even
a
conversion.
But
that
was
part
of
the
purpose.
That's
why
that
was
a
question
I
had
from
what
you
said.
A
One
of
the
things
that
happens
for
a
lot
of
people
when
they
want
to
convert
it
is
that
they
may
have
been
grandfathered
in
a
lot
of
their
parking
and
they
lose
their
grandfather.
E
E
G
E
G
Say
that
it's
already
been
a
rental
with
that's
been
grandfathered
in
without
parking.
If
you
want
to
buy
that
place
and
convert
it
to
owner
occupied,
you
do
not
need
to
provide
parking
for
the
owner
beyonce.
Yes,
it's
already
grandfathered
in
as
a
without
bargaining.
Am
I
correct
on
that
david?
I
don't.
I
E
Yeah
because
you'd
have
to
you
would
have
to
honor
that
you'd
have
some
exemption.
I
D
I
Unit
minimum
this
would
drop
it
down
to
one
right
unit
and
then,
if
you
were
within
1500
feet
of
a
of
a
transit
transportation
system,
you
could
take
up
to
75
percent
of
that.
So
you
go
to
zero
on
that.
E
E
Okay,
okay,
okay,
yeah
cut,
I
cut
ahead,
so
I'm
sorry
about
that.
You
know
I
I
just
printed
this
off
and
looked
at
it.
I
haven't
spent
a
lot
of
time
to
delve
into
it,
but
what
what
I
got
on
the
face
of
looking
at
it?
Just
in
the
last
few
minutes
that
I
think
I
think
parking
is
prohibitive
to
development
currently
standards.
Some
of
them
are
just
sort
of
off
the
rails
like
needing
two
spaces
for
a
one-bedroom
apartment.
E
I
think,
is
off
the
rails,
one
I
think
is
probably
excessive
like,
but
but
and
whether
I
think
0.5
is
right
or
0.3
or
0.75
is
really
not.
My.
My
main
point
up
here
is
my
main
point:
is
we're
improving
them
a
little
bit
on
the
face
value
and
we're
making
it
more
unknown
and
more
complex
down
the
ways?
E
It's
like
you're,
asking
different
people
for
more
permissions,
so
development's
going
to
be
controlled
by
how
loud
or
how
soft
your
voice
is,
or
how
many
people
line
up
behind
you
or
how
many
people
don't
it
becomes
more
unknown
to
developers.
I
I've
lived
in
athens
all
my
life.
I've
lived
on
the
east
end
pretty
much
all
my
life
a
little
bit
on
the
north.
I've
been
involved
in
business
on
property,
downtown
athens,
so
I
kind
of
parkings
parking's
a
problem
parking
is
a
big
problem
and
I
really
look
through
and
I
think
on
face.
E
E
Just
shows
that
it's
just
sort
of
arbitrary
numbers
that
don't
have
wouldn't
have
anything
behind
them,
because
if
they
did
there
would
be
even
some
reason
to
say
it's:
okay,
to
walk
1500
on
the
bus,
but
you're
going
to
walk
a
thousand
to
go
to
a
parking
lot.
That's
designated
you!
I
would
think
if
you
plan
this
out.
It
would
be
opposite
to
that.
So
I
think
what
we're
looking
at
is
is
is
a
confusing
document
and
in
some
ways
we
say
we
we're
about
efficiency.
E
So
we
want
more
efficient
housing
can
get
benefit
from
it,
but
then
we
want
one
and
two
bedrooms
to
get
a
benefit
over
a
three
or
four
which
is
theoretically
more
efficient.
So
it's
bits
and
pieces
that
doesn't
have
enough
continuity
to
really,
I
think,
achieve
even
know
what
it's
going
to
achieve.
I'd
love
to
see
this
code
brought
down
say
these
are
the
numbers
we're
going
for?
Maybe
look
back
saying
what
would
have
happened
if
we
had
these
codes
the
last
five
years?
E
How
would
we
help
development?
How
many
parking
spaces
would
have
that
changed?
What
do
we
think
you
could
be
doing
the
future
when
it's
all
an
unknown
mix
of
maybe
you'll
get
permission
for
zero?
Maybe
this
or
maybe
that
you
don't
even
know
what
you're
planning
for
we're.
Not
that's
not
really
planning.
That's
hoping,
and
I
think
the
document
has
got
structurally
the
right
idea,
the
right
purposes,
but
it
needs
to
be
a
real
plan
and
a
plan
that
everybody
here
everybody
in
the
community
can
understand.
So
that's
my
quick
speech.
F
F
Okay,
my
name
is
alan
swank.
I
live
at
40
thousand
place
on
the
far
east
side.
Townsend
is
the
last
of
those
nine
streets.
As
you
start
out,
east
state
street,
I'm
going
to
read
you
something
very
short
one
paragraph
athens
does
not
have
a
parking
problem.
That's
correct!
Athens
does
not
have
a
parking
problem.
F
F
But
I
have
some
questions
and
that's
why
I'm
here
today,
I
really
don't
have
a
statement
per
se
for
or
against,
because
this
document
is
rife
with
questions
that
many
of
you
have
asked
so
far,
some
very
very
good
questions,
but
in
terms
of
this
joint
use
parking
agreement,
which
just
that
paragraph,
I
read
you
kind
of
addresses
a
couple
of
things
that
I
I'm
concerned
about.
Let's
say,
for
example,
that
the
presbyterian
church
shares
a
parking
lot
with
somebody
else,
provision
b
of
this
provision.
F
F
F
F
F
F
It
would
make
a
great
building
lot
with
housing
going
for
what
it's
going
today.
An
individual
homeowner
developer
would
love
to
put
a
property
or
put
a
structure
on
that
lot.
It's
within
1500
feet
of
the
bus
line.
According
to
this,
we
could
put
a
structure
in
there
with
no
parking
which
forces
the
people
onto
the
street.
F
I
would
agree
we
become
too
reliant
on
our
cars,
how
many
of
us
drive
up
town
looking
for
the
parking
spot
right
in
the
front
door
of
the
business
that
we
want
to
visit
and
if
we
can't
find
it
sometimes
we
circle
the
block.
In
fact,
one
of
our
local
songwriters
wrote
a
song
years
ago
called
the
parade
and
it
talked
about
circling
court
street
and
the
ones
that
surround
it.
F
F
Yes,
we
could
reduce
our
reliance
on
cars.
I
could
walk
to
kroger's
rather
than
take
my
my
car,
and
I
tried
to
do
that.
But
people
do
need
cars
legitimately,
for
many
many
reasons,
but
again
back
to
that
20
properties.
On
the
far
east
side,
conceivably,
we
could
put
up
20
houses
or
20
apartments
up
there
that
are
within
1500
feet
of
the
bus
line
and
not
have
to
put
in
parking.
Therefore,
forcing
those
cars
on
to
the
public
streets.
F
I
think
one
of
the
things
we
need
to
look
at
is
a
number.
It
was
cited,
donkey
coffee
they
have
either
13
or
16
units.
There
therefore
they're
required
to
have
thirteen
or
sixteen
parking
spots
with
a
rent
from
cranberry
row
at
ninety
dollars
a
month,
and
they
then
charge
the
tenants
ninety
dollars
a
month
to
occupy
those
spots.
F
F
We
may
find
out
it's
a
lot
lower
than
we
think,
and
what
that
does
do
is
what
keith
alluded
to.
It
then
gives
the
developer
a
number
that
he
or
she
needs
when
they
begin
to
plan
a
project,
something
concrete
on
which
they
can
count
on,
as
opposed
to
may
or
what
some
third-party
entity
may
consider
that
particular
day.
F
F
F
F
C
You
know
I
I
want
to
go
back
to
your
scenario
on
the
far
east
side
where
you
have
20
or
so
lots
that
could
be
developed.
Yes,
sir,
do
you
think
somebody
would
actually
put
a
build
a
house
there
and
wouldn't
have
a
driveway
and
or
garage
available
with
that,
so
that,
even
though
they
aren't
required
to
have-
and
I
don't
know
that
they
aren't-
but
let's
say
they
aren't
required
to
have
parking-
that
they
would
do
that
and
and
just
rely
on
the
street
parking
or
or
whatever
and
add
to.
C
F
You
can
put
this
building
in
there
and
the
carrot
is,
if
you
put
the
building
in,
you,
don't
have
to
have
the
parking
okay
to
your
question,
john
I'm
not
a
builder.
I
do
know
that
the
lot
I
cited
is
owned
by
my
daughter
and
son-in-law,
and
he
would
like
to
build
something
not
in
the
context
of
this
not.
F
Well,
partners,
by
eliminating,
because
of
the
nature
of
the
lot
by
eliminating
because
it
kind
of
slopes
down
just
a
little
bit,
not
like
up
on
columbia,
but
it
does
slow
down
just
a
little
bit
because
of
the
nature
of
the
lot.
It
would
make
building
a
home
a
whole
lot
easier,
not
to
have
to
put
a
driveway
in
a
garage
in
there:
okay,
yeah,
okay,
yeah.
The
other
thing
I
forgot
to
mention,
since
you
brought
that
up.
F
I
look
at
the
far
east
side
as
kind
of
a
continuous
neighborhood
you
cross
under
the
bridge,
and
you
have
those
nine
streets
that
run
north
and
south,
and
then
we
run
into
the
business
zone.
So
it's
kind
of
a
little.
I
don't
want
to
use
the
word
enclave,
but
because
it's
not
exclusive
by
any
means,
but
it's
kind
of
a
continuous
neighborhood.
F
F
You
start
up
avon
from
east
state
street.
You
get
to
jacobs,
you're
still
within
1500
feet
you
get
to
dalton.
These
are
the
cross
streets
you're
still
within
1500
feet.
You
go
one
and
a
half
more
houses
and
you're
now
past
the
1500
feet.
So
the
people
on
that
side
of
the
line
of
demarcation
could
infill
and
do
all
these
things,
but
the
people
on
the
other
side
in
the
same
contiguous
neighborhood,
it's
going
to
be
a
little
bit
different.
H
I'm
mary
abel
48,
strathmore
athens.
I
just
have
some
questions
and
concerns
that
I'm
seeking
some
clarifications
on
regarding
this
proposal,
and
I
think
it's
already
been
explained
and
discussed
that
we're
talking
in
some
situations
of
not
of
having
zero
parking.
If
you
are
about
a
quarter
of
a
mile
away.
H
So
let's
say
that
a
person
does
live
that
quarter.
Mile
away
they're
on
the
transit
line,
the
bus
line,
there's
they
have
a
car
they're
still
going
to
have
to
find
parking
someplace
for
that
car.
So
is
that
going
to
be
on
a
public
street?
Is
it
going
to
be
in
a
private
lot
or
somewhat
of
somewhere
on
a
public
lot?
H
H
and
then
the
19,
the
2010
census,
had
an
additional
people
count
of
2
490,
so
that
gave
a
total
of
23
832
at
that
point,
so
there
was
a
a
drop
there.
So
obviously,
when
we
look
at
the
population
within
the
city
of
athens,
we
all
know
the
majority
of
its
student
population.
H
It
is
really
really
tricky
to
really
figure
out
how
many
full-time
permanent
residents
are
in
the
city
itself
and
believe
me,
I
looked
at
census
data.
I
looked
at
ou
enrollment
data
department
of
development
figures,
city
source
data
and
others,
but
we
have
this
high
volume
of
rentals
from
2010
to
the
present
the
highest
number
of
rentals.
H
According
to
what
I
found
in
research
was
in
that
year
of
2015
to
2016
and
by
2019
one
of
the
sources
that
I
looked
at
indicated
that
there
had
been
a
decline
of
people
living
in
rental
units
to
the
tune
of
a
little
over
four
percent.
I
don't
know
if
that's
accurate
or
what
their
formula
was.
I
do
know
if
you
talk
to
property
owners.
H
There
have
been
a
lot
of
rentals
that
have
been
vacancy
over
the
past
year,
obviously
due
primarily
to
the
pandemic,
but
with
the
main
business
of
athens
being
ohio
university
and
really
hit
students.
It
seems
to
me
that,
under
this
proposal,
it
becomes
a
way
to
increase
the
rental
parking.
The
rental
properties
without
having
the
parking
and
probably
the
majority
of
the
recipients,
are
probably
students
really.
H
A
The
the
parking
is
not
the
zoning,
because
all
the
requirements
for
setback
and
everything
for
that
zone
remains.
It's
still
an
r1
area.
So
if
a
developer
wants
to
go
in
and
buy
build
a
you
know,
maybe
an
owner
developer
and
they
go
in
and
want
to
build
their
house.
You
know
they
don't
they're
have
a
reduced
amount
of
parking
that
they
can
do.
H
H
A
H
Well,
I
I'd
like
to
hear
some
more
discussion
on
that
because,
as
I
read
it,
I'm
not
sure
that's
how
I
understand
it
and
that's
what
I'm
really
asking
here.
H
Also,
there
was
some
discussion
and
allen
brought
this
up
about
ohio
university.
I
did
go
to
the
website.
Look
up
the
parking
requirements
there,
interestingly
enough,
when
the
students
apply
for
a
parking
permit,
there's
limited
parking
on
campus,
of
course,
where
they
can
have
that
parking
permit,
but
the
site
listed
12
privately
owned
lots
in
the
city
of
athens
and
did
not
include
the
fairgrounds
where
a
parking
space
could
be
rented,
which
I
thought
was
pretty
interesting,
just
knowing
how
many
of
those
lots
were
actually
available
in
the
city
for
the
students
to
park.
H
Now
some
of
the
discussion
too.
Last
time,
as
I
listened
to
your
committee
jerry,
there
was
some
discussion
about
whether
or
not
having
zero
parking
would
could
also
have
a
lower
cost
for
rental
housing.
H
C
I
I
think
you
know
I've
had
a
couple
conversations
with
some
of
the
landlords,
and
I
I
I'm
not
sure
that
that
it'll
it
would
reduce
the
cost.
I
I
the
impression
I
get
is
that
it's
all
about
you
know,
supply
and
demand.
Location
is
important,
and-
and
so
I
think
that
you
know
I
I
mentioned
at
the
last
meeting-
I
own
two-
two
bedroom
apartments
or
a
part
owner
of
those.
We
have
parking
with
that
on
site
and
that's
attractive.
C
That's
clearly
attractive
to
have
that
parking,
but
but
part
of
the
reason
it's
as
attractive
as
it
is.
Is
that
we're
not
in
the
location
where
people
absolutely
would
love
to
be?
And
so,
but
I
I
don't
think
that
my
personal
opinion
is.
I
don't
think
that
the
requirements
for
parking
have
have
driven
up
the
cost
of
housing.
I
think
there
are
other
factors
that
are
doing
that.
That's
my
personal
opinion.
D
B
B
H
The
other
thing
that
was
mentioned,
I
think,
all
of
us
who
live
in
athens.
You
know,
obviously,
when
we
come
downtown
and
we
see
empty
buildings,
we
think
oh,
that's
really
too
bad
and
we've
talked
about
the
fallout
building
and
parking
there
and
nancy.
I
don't
know
if
you
were
on
council
at
this
time
and
you
could
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
when
the
woolworth
building
was
converted
and
park
and
student
well,
housing
was
put
on
that
upper
floor.
H
H
H
Done
in
the
case
of
the
fallen
building
as
well,
I
mean
if
that
was.
B
H
I
think
partly
because
it's
summertime
people
are
on
vacation
council's
on
break
two
for
the
month
and
really
there's
not
been
a
lot
of
media
coverage.
I
think
overall,
the
resolution
has
a
significant
impact
on
residents.
I
understand
this
is
just
the
beginning
of
a
process.
H
I
appreciate
the
fact
that
we
can
come
before
you
and
have
a
discussion,
ask
questions
and
that
you
engage
in
conversation
with
us,
and
I
would
simply
like
to
say
that
I
think
that
one
of
the
things
that
would
be
most
helpful
is
if
there
could
be
additional
information
and
maybe
more
fact-finding
on
some
of
the
things
that
have
been
brought
up
here
and
a
more
open
discussion
before
a
final
decision
is
made
by
anyone.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
your
time.
I.
B
C
Well,
you
know-
I
I
think
so,
I'm
we're
gonna
recommend
we
table
this
today
and
after
having
some
conversations
with
the
other
members
as
well
as
some
discus
some
input
from
the
mayor
and
then
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
have
a
public
hearing
and
so
we're
going
to
advertise
that
probably
next
week
we've
got
to
advertise
it
30
days
before
the
meeting
I
don't
have
the
meeting
set.
C
We
we've
talked
about
possibly
having
the
media
meeting
at
the
community
center
so
that
we
can
accommodate
the
people
who
can
park
and
there's
parking
there
anyway,
so
yeah.
So
I.
C
So
I
don't
know
if
we
do,
we
need
a
resolution
to
table
yes,
so
I'll
move
that
we
table
this.
G
G
G
If
the
commission
determines
that
a
public
hearing
is
appropriate,
then
this
period
may
be
extended
to
90
days,
and
that
just
says
notice
of
the
public
hearing
shall
follow.
The
same
requirement
says
230908.
The
commission
may
recommend
then
that
the
amendment
be
granted
okay.
It
doesn't
say
that
you
need
to
make
a
motion.
G
C
Thank
you
yeah,
so
we've
take
we'll
take,
we've
tabled
the
resolution
and
we
are
going
to
work
with
patty
in
the
mayor's
office
to
go
ahead
and
get
an
advertisement
out
there
for
public
hearing.
B
G
G
To
meet
you
face-to-face
as
well,
the
the
preservation
board
has
been
meeting
and,
as
many
of
you
may
recall,
last
last
year
they
were
given
the
authority
under
by
city
council
to
do
historic
preservation,
design
review
for
the
uptown
district
they've
done
several
of
those
so
far,
and
it's
been
a
really
good
project
and
I
think
we're
seeing
better
development
occurring
uptown.
G
Because
of
that,
the
of
note,
pilcher
house
has
been
they've,
been
working
with
the
property
owners
there
to
to
help
them
select
the
appropriate
brick
colors
and
the
materials
and
things
that
make
sure
that
that
building
retains
its
historic
integrity,
as
well
as
the
the
the
expansion
of
bagel
street
deli
and
6567
south
court
street,
which
is
where
court
street
coffee
and
little
professor
bookstore
are
all
three
of
those
projects
have
gone
through
our
design
review
process.
It's
had
some
hiccups,
of
course.
G
It's
a
new
process,
but
we're
trying
to
smooth
out
we're
working
with
the
code
office
and
property
owners
and
architects
to
make
sure
that
we're
all
aware
of
what
the
process
is
but
having
them
give
that
comment
to
what
we've
seen
so
far
is
having
that
discussion
with
architects.
Our
preservation
board
has
several
as
two
architects
serving
on
that,
as
well
as
preservation,
experts
to
the
property
owners,
the
business
owners
and
the
art,
the
architects
that
they're
working
with
have
been
it
seems
it's.
G
The
process
is
working
well
we're
getting
better
design
and
buildings
that
are
looking
better.
So
really
happy
about
that
and
one
other
note.
The
preservation
board
has
also
been
working
on
putting
together
a
an
award
program
for
outstanding
historic
preservation
and
people
who
are
doing
leaders
in
that
around
our
community
award
is
called
the
joanne
prisley
award
joanne.
Was
she
passed
away
a
few
years
ago,
but
she
had
been
a
leader
in
historic
preservation
with
historical
society
as
well
as
one
of
the
founding
members
of
the
city's
preservation
board.
G
C
C
G
The
they
are
not
at
this
point.
Interior
work
is
generally
not
of
their
responsibilities.
It's
really
about
facade
improvements
and
and
to
the
building
elevations.
I
don't
believe
that
they've
been
they've
made
any
exterior.
C
G
F
I
Just
have
a
couple
things
for
the
commission:
staff
has
been
working
on
abandoned
swimming
pools
this
summer.
We
we're
trying
to
make
sure
those
become
a
health
and
safety
issue
for
neighbors
and
people
in
the
in
the
area
of
these
abandoned
swimming
pools.
We've
been
working
on
correcting
those
pollinator
yard
program.
The
code
became
effective
last
month
for
that
new
program
in
the
city
we
haven't
had
any
applicants
so
far.
I
Although
we've
got
one
tentative
applicant,
that's
going,
I
think,
is
gonna
apply
for
that,
so
that's
in
place,
and
then
I
also
met
with
the
accessibility
commission
last
week
and
they
are
requesting
some
assistance
from
the
code
office
to
help
inform
developers
about
accessibility
issues
we'd
be
willing
to
do
that.
We
want
to
get
a
permission
from
the
mayor
before
we
proceed
with
sending
those
out,
and
it
comes
it'll,
be
letters
of
recommendation
from
the
accessibility
committee
and
that's
all
I
have.