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Athens Planning Commission - August 18, 2022
A
A
All
the
planning
commissioners,
we
do
have
one
individual
here,
and
so,
if
you
are,
I'm
assuming
you're
going
to
speak
to
the
commission
if
necessary,
okay,
just
raise
your
hand.
Do
you
solemnly
swear
that
you're
going
to
tell
factual
information
before
the
board
today
all
right?
Thank
you
disposition
of
the
july
21st
minutes.
A
B
A
A
B
A
B
E
Good
afternoon
john
sol,
diversified
properties,
I
think
jim
and
I
addressed
everything
last
meeting
with
everybody
and
back
here
just
I
guess
to
answer
any
further
questions,
or
I
think
there
was
a
certain
process
that
had
to
be
accommodated
over
the
last
few
weeks
to
like
a
public
notification.
So
maybe
you
want
to
address
that
if
there
was
any
comments
or
so
we
took
care
of
that
and
I
think
we're
ready
to
move
forward
once
again.
If
there
are
questions.
C
E
C
C
C
E
E
D
E
E
D
E
So
I
mean
I
don't
I
don't
think
that's
a
real
stretch
as
it
relates
to
maybe
lots
of
parcels
in
the
city
where
you
park
a
fire
truck
on
a
street,
and
you
have
a
you
know,
and
if
this
was
thousands
of
feet
or
500
feet
or
some
you
know
number
that
was
of
a
concern.
We
also
have
addressed
this
numerous
times
with
bob
troxel
in
the
past,
with
prop
with
projects
that
had
even
more
density,
and
they
were
good
with
the
situation
that
exists
in
one
of
the
one
of
the
projects
around
2010.
E
E
D
And
then
the
council
will
have
to
make
a
decision
whether
or
not
we
can
assume
the
risk
associated
with
firefighters,
dragging
hose
to
that
back
property
versus
you
know
having
an
ability
to
drive
an
apparatus
all
the
way
up
to
it.
And
so
that's
that's
really.
Our
decision
that
we
have
to
make
a
current
fire
chief,
you
know,
recommends
against
it.
But
again
his
job
is
to
go
and
come
up
with
the
safest
possible
situation,
and
so
all
the
time
we
go
and
look
at
circumstances
that
the
fire
chief
says.
D
E
Yeah,
I
I
understand,
there's
always
you
know
we
have
to
consider
everything,
and
the
last
thing
I
want
to
do
is
get
involved
in
anything
that
would
be
considered
unsafe.
But
once
again
we
have
reviewed
this
numerous
times
over
the
years
with
prop
with
projects
that
had
a
lot
more
density
than
two
duplexes
considering
there'll
be
new
construction.
E
F
My
question
is
more
of
an
aggravation
question.
I
was
wondering
if
you're
going
to
increase
the
density
up
there
on
that
pathway.
It's
a
single
lane
road,
isn't
it
john
pretty
much,
and
so
I
was
wondering
if
you
could
put
up
some
kind
of
sign
or
suggest
that
people
use
a
loop.
I
know
I've
said
that
before.
E
Yeah,
we've
really
had
up
till
now
with
everybody
there
I
mean
there
really
isn't
that
many
people
right
to
speak
of
and
there's
never
really
been
any
issues
with
the
traffic
flow,
etc.
People
have
learned
to
you
know
once
again
this.
This
configuration
of
how
these
properties
were
laid
out
was
done
so
long
ago
that
you
know
it
just
to
the
situation.
That's
always
existed.
F
B
F
E
B
A
F
C
A
B
B
Again,
I'd
like
to
discuss
some
proposed
changes
to
the
zoning
code,
title
23.,
I'd
like
just
to
have
those
discussions
today
and
then
come
back
with
some
proposed
recommendations
to
city
council
on
those
on
those
changes.
So
if
you
don't
mind,
I
know
you
haven't
had
much
time
to
review
those.
If
I
could
just
discuss
some
of
those,
please
please.
So,
let's
start
with
2304.04.
B
B
Businesses
and
enclosed
buildings,
all
businesses
or
services,
shall
be
conducted
wholly
within
a
completely
enclosed
building.
I
did
a
little
bit
of
research.
I
can't
really
find
that
they
had
intended
to,
and
maybe
some
people
on
the
board
with
more
history
here
there
was
never
any
intent
to
exclude
outdoor
dining,
but
it
does
fall
under
that
that
you
can't
conduct
any
business
or
services
outside
of
a
building.
I
would
like
to
add
outdoor
dining
shall
be
permitted
in
the
v1
and
the
b3
zone.
B
It
doesn't
show
up
in
the
b2
or
b2d
or
the
m
zone
that
we
wouldn't
allow
services
outside
to
provide
services
outside
of
an
enclosed
building,
but
it
does
in
the
b1
and
b3.
So
I'd
like
to
recommend
those
two
changes
to
code.
If
you
look,
we
have
a
lot
of
these
outdoor
dining
areas
throughout
the
city,
as
well
as
the
parklets
on
the
b2d
and
the
b3
uptown.
B
This
would
help
I'll
make
sure
that
those
are
allowed
by
our
zoning
code.
So
that
would
be
my
recommended
change
for
there.
If
you
jump
down
to
230407
a3,
we
recently
had
a
mithril
court
case
where
the
judge
suggested
we
make
some
changes
to
the
code
and
here's.
My
suggestions
that
we
changed
this
to
eating
and
drinking
establishments
permitted
in
a
visa
in
a
b3
zone,
provided
that
restaurants
with
drive-ins
drive-throughs
she'll,
have
the
drive-in
and
drive
through
at
least
a
hundred
feet
from
any
r1
or
r2
zone.
You'll
notice.
B
So
I
went
to
the
effort
of
look
at
taking
a
decibel
meter
and
looking
at
a
couple
of
drive-throughs,
both
the
sonic
drive
through
on
stimson
and
the
mcdonald's
on
richland
avenue,
checked
at
100
feet,
and
I
couldn't
find
this
difference
between
the
background
noise
and
the
noise
from
the
speakers
coming
from
the
the
drive-throughs
at
100
feet.
So
to
me
it
seems
like
that.
Would
be
reasonable
and
match
the
rest
of
the
code?
So
that's
going
to
be
my
recommendation
for
that.
D
C
F
I
think
david,
I
think
that
I
remember
when
we
looked
at
that
one
and
it
was
kind
of
about
where
morris
avenue,
parallels
stimson
and
where
there's
a
very
sharp
change
of
area.
I
think
in
the
interim
period
there's
been
a
lot
of
change
over
there's,
much
more
density
and
different
types
of
people.
I
don't
think
the
same
people
that
complained
about
I
see
yeah
kentucky
fried
or
whatever
it's
still
there,
so
I
don't
have.
F
D
D
B
C
Up
so
on
on
adding
the
outdoor
dining
shall
be
permitted.
Is
that
going
to
will
that
require
enclosure?
I
know
like
on
court
street.
Obviously
it's
not
an
enclosed
space
with
those
parklets
and
but
in
in
the
b1.
I
don't
know
you
know,
I'm
not
exactly
sure
how,
but
I
I
just
raised
that
as
an
issue,
because
many
of
them
might-
and
I
know,
there's
the
dora
too-
that
might
have
might
be
a
piece
of
the
puzzle,
but
you
know:
is
there
a
need
for
any
kind
of
enclosure
language
there.
A
A
Sidewalk
dining
that
has
a
little
flower
box
kind
of
thing,
that's
around
it
or
something
that
designates
that
space
I
mean.
The
other
thing
is
that
this
this
does
not
change
the
ordinance
that
speaks
to
tables
or
chairs.
You
know,
being
in
front
of
the
building
being
in
front
of
the
pro
that
business,
but
not
to
exceed
fight
five
feet
from
the
facade
of
the
building.
Yeah.
B
C
Yeah,
so
my
thing
was
more
about
things
like
seoul
or
something
you
know
bigger
outdoor
areas,
maybe
on
their
own
property.
If
something
develops
at
the
shopping
center
there
around
kroger's
or
something
you
know
they,
you
know.
I
just
wonder
if
there
needs
to
be
some
language
that
or
you
having
the
ability
to
make
that
decision.
You
know
possibly-
or
I
I
mean
I
don't
know
what
it
should
be
just
I
just
raised
that
when
I
was
looking
at
it
could.
D
You
did
you
add
the
phrase.
Outdoor
dining
shall
be
permitted
in
a
clearly
delineated
area,
something
along
those
lines,
and
that's
that
that
you
know
it
doesn't
require
any
closure
per
se,
but
doesn't
cut
or
you
know,
would
require,
like
some
sort
of
designation
to
say
this
is
where
you
eat
this,
where
you
don't
is
that
kind
of
what
you're
getting
at.
C
A
D
D
C
C
B
C
B
Okay,
all
right
moving
forward.
If
there's
no
more
comments
on
those
sections,
230602
certificates
and
permits,
I'm
trying
to
just
clean
up
some
of
the
old
language
in
here
we
do
not
have
a
certificate
of
health.
We
don't
have
a
health
officer,
so
we
don't
do
certificates
for
those.
So
it
has
to
delete
that
we
do
not
do
occupancy
permits.
You'd
have
to
be
a
building
department.
In
order
to
do
that
so
legally,
we
can't
do
that
and
then,
if
you
go
down
excavation,
permit,
that's
been
replaced
with
our
title.
27
land
development
permit.
D
B
B
I
want
to
be
able
to
hold
incomplete
permits
and
not
have
to
dispose
of
those.
So
if
it's
incomplete
it
doesn't
count
our
30-day
period
for
approvals
and
I'm
just
trying,
in
c
and
d
to
adjust
that
so
that
we
can
review
and
approve
complete
permits
within
30
days,
which
is
very
doable
for
our
office.
B
B
B
So,
as
you
can
see,
accessory
energy
systems
are
designed
primarily
for
the
on-site
consumption
of
electric
or
heat
exchange,
and
our
our
accessory
used
to
the
to
the
existing
structure
would
require
a
permit
to
be
established
by
separate
ordinance
permit
fees
by
separate
ordinance
a
permit
to
be
established
for
these.
We
actually
do
this
for
solar
as
a
accessory
use.
B
We
want
to
point
out
that
on
a
flat
roof,
which
is
subsection
b,
that
these
solar
panels
will
be
permitted
up
to
18
inches
above
the
maximum
height
in
the
zone.
So
if
it's,
if
it's
a
b3
zone,
it
could
go
up
to
three
and
a
half
stories
or
45
feet
would
allow
actually
18
inches
higher
than
that
on
a
roof
mounted
structure.
B
We
also
require
looking
for
emergency
access.
We
want
to
point
out
that
would
not
require
screen
additional
screening
and
that
any
solar
access,
easement
required
to
prevent
the
neighbor
from
shading
a
solar
panel
would
be
the
responsibility
of
the
property
owner
and
not
the
city
to
acquire
almost
the
same
thing
for
ground-mounted
solar.
B
We
did
add
a
section
on
ground
mounted
solar,
that
lock
coverage
or
impervious
surface
area.
We
have
two
sections
and
the
bulk
controls
that
limit
the
amount
of
coverage
for
accessory
structures
to
sixty
percent
of
the
total
lot.
This
would
wave
that,
if
there's
vegetative
cover
underneath
those
ground
mounted
solar
systems,
we
think
that
that
would
still
allow
a
pervious
area
underneath
the
system
that
water
could
infiltrate
and
percolate
into
the
soil
just
like
it
did
if
it
wasn't
if
the
systems
weren't
there.
B
Then,
if
I
could
go
on
to
the
geothermal
heating,
cooling
work,
there's
actually
two
types
of
geothermal
ones,
an
open
system
in
which
a
well
is
drilled
or
a
surface
water
source
is
located
and
it
and
comes
in,
and
then
discharges
either
to
a
well
or
to
an
open
surface
or
to
or
as
a
closed
system.
So
the
open
systems
actually
can
can
bring
water
from
from
the
outside
and
discharge
water
to
the
outside,
or
bring
water
from
the
ground
and
discharge
into
the
ground.
B
Those
are
open
systems
and
we
want
to
be
careful
with
those
types
of
systems
when
we're
near
the
wellhead
protection
area,
because
there's
a
potential
for
them
to
pull
pollutants
and
contaminants
into
the
ground
water.
So
I'm
trying
to
regulate
that
a
little
bit
here
just
for
the
wellhead
protection
area.
If
it's
a
closed
system,
we're
a
lot
less
concerned
about
that
a
closed
system
would
would
actually
be
a
piping
system
that
could
be
either
horizontal
or
vertical
and
and
rotates
with
a
type
of
fluid.
B
B
I
I'm
suggesting
that
we
make
these
conditionally
permitted
because
they
could
be
controversial
depending
on
where
they're
located.
So
everything
else
is
a
permitted
use
in
in
all
zones,
with
a
few
exceptions
for
wind
powered
systems,
I
would
I
would
consider
those
I
would
ask
you
to
consider
those
to
be
conditionally
permitted.
So
we
get
another
layer
of
review
and
approval
for
those.
D
B
B
A
A
A
A
For
the
wind,
might
it
be
helpful
to
also
require
that,
as
part
of
this
conditional
use,
that
they
also
provide
evidence
that
they're,
you
know
a
win
study
to
show
that,
where
you're
thinking
of
putting
one
actually
will
benefit
you
somehow
it
might
in
my
mind,
for
some
reason
this
is
going
back
to
2010
2011
way
before
I
was
on
city
council
that
someone
had
performed
a
wind
study
here
in
athens
county.
You
know
we're
a
county
of
hills
and
haulers,
and
certainly
there's.
A
B
B
I
don't
know
that
we
there's
one
section
that
I'd
like
to
add
that
I
haven't
got
in
here
yet
and
that's
for
principally
principal
energy
systems,
that
the
lot
or
parcel
that
these
systems
will
be
on
would
be
the
primary
use
to
generate
solar
that
would
not
be
consumed
on
site.
So
this
would
be
our
solar
arrays
or
maybe
a
wind
wind
powered
array.
I
don't
think
that
is
that.
E
C
I
I
have
one
question
back
on
the
solar,
so
we
you
exempt
screening
requirements
and
I
assume
that's
essentially
for
the
panels
so
that
you
aren't
reducing
the
effectiveness
of
the
panels
or
something
along
that
line
are.
Is
there
ansel
ancillary
equipment
that
goes
with
those
panels
that
we
should
screen?
Maybe
in
some
instances
maybe
on
the
ground
or
whatever
I
mean,
I
don't
know
what
our
requirements
are
elsewhere
in
the
code
with
regard
to
screening
requirements,
I
guess
so.
B
B
F
I
have
a
question
mike
first
question
is
really
small,
but
let
me
ask
you:
when
you
have
neighbors
agreeing,
you
can
do
it
casually
or
you
can
do
it
with
a
written
letter.
Could
you
ask
people
who
have
standalone
systems
in
their
side
yard
too,
and
there
aren't
very
many
places
you
could
put
them
in
the
city.
I
don't
think
to
document
it.
B
B
B
B
Yeah,
so
this
is
particularly
talking
about
these
private
systems,
the
systems
that
don't
sell
to
those,
not
the
big
solar
arrays,
it's
the
private
backyard
systems.
I
do
I
do
plan
on
having
another
section
here
for
those
primary
systems
where
we
were
talking
about
the
property
at
the
university
of
states
and
ou
having
a
principal,
a
principal
solar
array,
that's
designed
not
to
be
used
on
site,
but
to
be
distributed
off-site
into
a
substation
and
subsequently
sold
or
reused.
B
D
Different,
I
think,
to
to
kind
of
carry
on
that.
We
had
some
significant
discussion
on
this,
so
we
just
weren't
ready,
as
we
were
working
through
this-
to
bring
forward
to
this
body,
but
I
wanted
to
get
something
forward
to
start
this
discussion
today,
since
ultimate
attending
commission
we'll
have
to
approve
these
and
we'll
get
it
in
bits
and
pieces,
but
for
those
particular
circumstances
you
know.
I
think
we
need
to
be
cautious
about
allowing
those
in
m
zones
and
b
zones
and
the.
C
D
D
And
the
parking
underneath,
in
which
case
it
is
it
would
be
allowed.
But
I
don't
think
we
would
want
to
say,
tear
down
walmart
and
just
take
and
convert
all
of
that
that
m
zone,
because
it's
an
m
zone
out
there
to
where
people
pay
income
tax
to
a
solar
array
that
sells
electricity
to
somebody
outside
of
athens.
D
D
You
know
kilowatts
increases
as
each
of
the
panels
increase
significantly
and
what
they
can
produce
and
the
cost
comes
down
and
the
cost
of
electricity.
Otherwise
can
I
think,
we're
going
to
see
them
everywhere,
and
so
you
know,
I
think
this
is
great
work
david
for
us
getting
ahead
of
this.
So
thank
you
appreciate.
F
B
If
I
could
just
tag
on
to
that,
one
of
the
things
we
look
at
for
these
primary
systems
would
be
where
we
would
prefer
to
see
those
uses
so
brownfield
areas,
old,
landfill
areas,
open
space
where
you
don't
have
typically
a
normal
use
for
those-
would
be
our
preferred
spaces.
Our
preferred
locations
for
those
type
of
systems,
we're
looking
into
that
and
expect
more
in
the
future.