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Athens Planning Commission - February 2nd, 2023
A
A
Good
afternoon
and
welcome
to
the
Athens
City
Planning
Commission
meeting,
it
is
Thursday
Groundhog's,
Day,
February,
2nd,
and
it
is
about
1201
to
begin
with.
I
know
we
have
people
who
are
here
today
and
if
you
plan
to
speak
before
the
commission
I
ask
that
you
raise
your
right
hand
and
do
you
solemnly
swear
to
what
information
you're
going
to
provide
before
the
Planning
Commission
be
truthful
and
honest?
A
B
A
A
C
Mayor
and
members
of
the
Planning
Commission,
this
is
a
project
that
we've
seen
before
a
year
or
a
year
and
a
half
ago
they
came
to
this
developer,
came
to
Planning
Commission,
with
a
similar
communication.
They've
made
some
significant
changes
to
that
plan
since
then,
so
my
recommendation
is
that
we
come
back
for
another
communication
to
city
council
or
to
Planning
Commission
before
we
go
to
the
case,
so
this
is
an
existing
site.
C
A
couple
notes
that
I
have
in
my
memo
to
the
commission
is
that
there
are
some
slip:
potential
soils
on
this
property,
so
the
developer
has
recommended
a
return
or
the
developer
has
proposed
a
retaining
wall
there.
We
did
ask
that
they
either
provide
a
excavation
Bond
or
have
the
upsite
property
owner
additionally
insured
as
insurance
coverage
for
this.
C
For
this
slip
potential
this
this
actually
it
to
me,
it
looks
like
the
site
is-
is
actually
in
a
slip
condition
right
now
you
can
see
that
it's
it's
rolled
and-
and
it
does
have
some
some
potential
for
any
kind
of
work
out
there
to
continue
to
cause
a
continual
slip.
So
I
thought
that
would
be
important.
There
were
two:
these
are
two
separate
buildings
and
they're
they're,
providing
a
shared
access
traffic
circulation
pattern.
C
So
if
you
look
at
this,
you'll
see
that
there's
two
existing
access
points
to
this
property
they're
going
to
utilize
both
of
those
they
will
share
the
circulation
of
traffic
through
the
site.
At
some
point,
this
project
May
split
into
two
separate
Lots.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
if
that
happens,
that
they
that
we
maintain
some
kind
of
easement
or
access
through
that
property
to
contain
to
continue
continuity
of
the
traffic.
C
A
A
D
What
we're
showing
here
on
this,
drawing
as
it
pertains
to
the
wall
is:
oh
I,
don't
know,
I've
built
quite
a
few
walls,
and
this
is
by
far
the
Ferrari
of
of
walls
that
I've,
seen
or
been
a
part
of.
This
is
a
six
hundred
thousand
dollar
retaining
wall
just
to
put
in
the
perspective
kind
of
what
it
is
and
what
we
hope.
D
It'll,
do
so
confident
that
we've
got
the
slip
issue
addressed,
confident
that
we've
taken
care
of
Mrs
Stout,
the
neighbor
above
us
and
we're
at
the
point
of
trying
to
get
the
site
plan
finalized
and
get
going
on
this.
We
love
the
break
ground
in
April.
If
we
could,
and
the
most
recent
change
we
made
was
to
the
traffic
pattern.
There
was
some
concern
that
the
loads
generated
by
these
two
retailers
would
overwhelm.
D
If
you
will,
the
the
single
access
point,
I
think
it
would
have
been
close
but
better
safe
than
sorry.
We
went
ahead
and
decided
to
spend
the
money
and
make
the
investment
to
put
the
second
access
point
in
to
relieve
any
concern
on
that
front
other
than
that
I
hope
you
guys
all
have
a
copy
of
the
site
plan.
If
not
I've
brought
a
few
with
me
happy
to
give
them
to
you
and
happy
to
answer
any
questions
for
you
that
you
might
have.
B
D
D
Way
up,
there
is
an
inadequate
answer.
I
can
appreciate
that
it
varies
in
height
between
six
and
eight
feet.
I
believe,
with
the
the
way
the
ground
lays
it's
it's
two
feet
higher
in
some
places.
The
important
part
about
that
wall
is
the
we.
It
would
have
saved
us
tremendous
money
and
time
to
build
it
further
down
the
hill
closer
to
our
development,
but
it
would
have
been
less
effective.
So
the
goal
is
the
further
up
the
hill.
D
D
Part
of
the
property
it
doesn't
and
the
slope
kind
of
levels
out.
There
is
the
reason
that
wall
there
there
is
not
a
the
slip
is,
is
somewhere
in
the
middle
that
the
the
primary
slippage
is
somewhere
in
the
middle
of
that
wall.
So
the
reason
that
wall
doesn't
go
all
the
way
to
the
western
boundary
is
because
the
elevations
of
that
Hillside
didn't
dictate
that
it
needed
to
per
the
engineers
yeah.
A
He
certainly
felt
good
about
that.
You
know
this
is
a
property
that
has
been
followed
for
for
quite
some
time
and
and
being
cognizant
of
the
slip,
concerns
and
your
level
of
confidence
with
the
engineering
of
this
and
having
the
detailed
Geotech
as
to
what's
going
on
underground
or
on
top
of
the
ground
that
you
know,
I
personally
think
this
can
work.
D
You
know
it's
interesting
on
those
walls.
This
may
be
more
than
you
want
to
know,
but
you
we
can't
determine
if
it's
insurance
rates
or
lawyers
file
lawsuits
against
people,
but
you
know
the
way
these
Engineers
rate
things
is
is
by
safety
Factor.
So
you
know
if
a
hundred
percent
is
is
what
we
think
is
a
just
enough
to
get
it
done.
You
know
in
years,
past,
1.2
or
1.3.
D
So
so
this
wall
we've
built
a
lot
of
them
and
we
were
absolutely
shocked
when
this
design
and
cost
project
cost
estimates
came
in
because
it's
just
I
mean
it's
frankly,
it's
unnecessary,
but
it's
you
know
it
is
the
top
of
the
line
you
know
over
engineered
to
death
wall
product,
so
I
feel
definitely
feel
like.
We
can
stand
behind
it
as
a
company.
B
B
A
B
A
A
C
Actually
got
a
letter,
a
certified
letter
from
the
engineer
stating
that
he
did
follow
the
recommendations
of
the
engineering
firm
that
did
the
geotechnical
report
and
they're
confident
that
it's
designed
as
best
as
they
can
do
it.
Okay,
I
also
have
I,
actually
have
some
comments
from
director.
Stone
I,
don't
know
if
this
will
be
appropriate,
so
he
has
four
or
five
comments.
C
We
talked
about
the
bonding,
so
we'd
like
to
either
have
bonding
or
some
some
kind
of
insurance
associated
with
the
retaining
wall.
Yes,
sir
there's
a
sanitary
sewer,
Force
main
in
front
of
this
project
and
I
may
not
have
gotten
to
the
to
the
utility
end
of
it,
but
there's
a
force
main
here
so
on
the
east
side,
I
think,
there's
a
manhole.
C
You
might
be
able
to
gravity
to
that,
but
it's
something
that
we
need
the
city
staff
and,
and
the
engineer
need
to
work
on,
to
be
able
to
get
that
sewer
to
work
the
way
we
think
it
should
and
then
we'd
really
like
to
look
at
fats,
oils
and
grease
and
water
supply
as
well.
What
we're
playing
what
you
were
planning
to
do
with
that
and
then
finally
I
think
you're
going
to
be
okay,
but
this
is
a
special
flood.
C
D
C
D
We
actually
eliminated,
we
were
going
to
put
the
Starbucks
building,
which
is
the
westernmost
building,
we're
going
to
build
that
as
a
two
tenant
building,
but
we
decided
to
get
rid
of
the
second
tenant
to
further
mitigate
any
traffic
concerns.
That
was
our
goal.
There
is
just
take
all
those
customers
out
of
the
equation
and
live
with
just
these
two
tenants
and
and
I
think
you
know,
the
traffic
study
I
think
is
something
we
can.
We
can
discuss
or
maybe
do
I
don't
know.
D
Regardless
of
what
the
information
says.
I
don't
know
to
me,
there
is
not
a
viable
load
mitigation
mechanism.
If
you
will
so,
for
instance,
let's
say
it's,
you
know
over
the
city's
tolerance
or
over
the
Ohio
Department
of
transportation's
Tolerance.
You
know
what
is
the
answer?
Well,
it's
certainly
not
a
suicide
lane
or
a
middle
turning
lane.
That's
already
there.
The
really.
The
only
thing
that
that
traffic
study
could
spit
out
is
is
potentially
a
deceleration
Lane
on
the
north
side
of
of
East,
State,
Street
and
and
I
I.
C
Yeah,
we
don't
think
that's
going
to
be
necessary.
What
we
want
to
do
is
take
those
trip
generations
and
put
that
into
our
traffic
signal
system
to
be
able
to
see
if
we
can
improve
that
when
those
new
counts
come
in.
If
we
can
improve
the
timing
on
that
existing
system,
that's
what
we
need
that
information
yeah.
D
C
That
so
I,
don't
even
think
you
need
to
go
that
far
what
we
need.
What
we
want
is
to
is
for
you
to
provide
us
what
you
think
the
peak
trip
generation
is
going
to
be
for
this
proposed
development
and
the
hours
of
operation.
So
we
can
take
that
traffic
information
and
then
use
that
in
our
system
to
help
make
sure
that
that
our
our
traffic
signal
system.
D
B
That
it
has
anything
that
it
drives
the
the
developer
necessarily
but
I
I
think
we
ought
to
be
looking
at
some
crosswalks
in
some
around
this
area
or
down
this
way.
You
know:
we've
got
a
couple
of
crosswalks
back
toward
toward
the
pool
and
the
community
center,
but
I
think
with
with
both
Starbucks
and
chipotle.
We
may
have
employees
wanting
to
walk
across.
You
know
from
one
of
the
businesses
to
to
to
get
something
to
eat.
B
A
A
B
Yeah
I
think
there
are
yeah,
probably
I
mean
there
are
some
businesses
there,
the
shopping
center
next
to
Krogers
and
things
where
you
know
it'd
be
nice.
If
we
didn't
have
to
put
cars
on
the
road
and
people
felt
comfortable
that
they
could
get
there
in
a
reasonable
amount
of
time
and
safely.
So
that's
that's
my
thinking
on
that
whole
thing,
but.
A
A
D
You
no
problem.
We
appreciate
the
help
and
David's
guidance,
certainly
I,
think
with
this
information
David
unless
I'm
mistaken.
We
owe
you
a
set
of
civil
drawings
and
a
track.
Some
some
traffic
counted
data,
we'd
love
to
be
back
as
soon
as
we
can
like
I
said:
we've
got
tenants,
breathing
down
our
neck
and
contractors
and
everything
else
so
we're
starting
to
feel
the
heat
for
sure
to
get
this
thing
going
and
off
the
ground
here
in
the
next
eight
weeks
or
so.
A
C
A
D
Move
right,
and
so
once
we're
in
as
a
case,
let's
assume
it's,
it's
probably
the
March
for
a
second.
Whatever
that
day
is
we'll
try
to
get
them
to
you
next
week,
but
I'm
not
gonna
count
on.
So
let's
assume
it's
that
first
week
of
March,
then,
is
that
first
reading,
second
reading
site
plan
approved
with
the
second
reading.
C
So
then
you
get
so
the
way
this
will
work
is
you'll
actually
get
approval
from
the
Planning
Commission.
Assuming
you
get
approved,
you
get
everything
done
that
we've
requested.
Yes,
sir,
get
approval
from
that.
You
may
may
need
to
go
to
shade
tree
commission
for
the
for
the
final
for
the
Landscaping
plans,
but
after
that
approval,
you'll
have
several
permits
that
you
get
from
our
office
and
we'll
have
a
pretty
quick
turnaround
on
those.
B
A
E
Yes,
on
this
Rob
delac
living
on
Morris
Avenue
here
in
the
city,
I
just
I
want
to
commend
commissioner
starkowski's
comment
that
keeping
an
eye
on
Crossing
is
important
here.
I
think
it's
a
good
thing
to
consider.
At
least
it
is
about
a
quarter
mile
to
the
Walmart
entrance,
which
is
where
the
one
crosswalk
is
in
the
West
in
a
or
sorry
a
tenth
of
a
mile.
That
way,
you
know
a
quarter
mile,
the
other
way
to
get
to
the
lows
signal.
E
So
it's
a
little
far
even
for
East
State
Street,
but
the
quarter
mile,
the
tenth
of
a
mile
to
Walmart
may
not
be
ridiculous.
So,
but
looking
at
that
is
something
I
think
we
should
be
thinking
about
as
a
city.
The
other
thing
just
to
mention
is
currently.
If
you
look
at
the
apron,
that's
there
now
it's
designed
well
for
to
meet
the
sidewalk
effectively.
So
it
has
a
slope
to
the
sidewalk
levels
off
at
the
sidewalk,
so
it
connects
to
a
flat,
sidewalk
and
then
slopes
down
to
the
street.
E
Again,
that's
a
real
good
design
and
I'd
like
to
encourage
the
commission
to
keep
that
in
mind.
When
they
see
a
design
for
this
site
to
look
at
the
aprons
and
make
sure
that
they
they
do
create
a
flat
pedestrian
structure
across
the
apron
so
that
it
isn't
a
hazard
for
people
with
accessibility,
Mobility
needs
in
particular,
and
then
also
consider
the
condition
of
the
sidewalk.
It
looks.
I
haven't
physically
looked
at
it,
but
looking
at
images,
it
looks
like
it's
in
decent
shape,
but
I'm
not
sure
if
it
needs
updating.