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Athens Planning Commission - March 2, 2023
A
Good
afternoon
and
welcome
to
the
Athens
Planning
Commission
meeting,
it
is
Thursday
March
2nd
at
about
1203.
We've
got
a
large
audience
today
and
for
good
reason.
Today
we're
going
to
start
the
meeting
with
the
Community
Development
implementation
strategy,
cdis
a
public
meeting
and
I've
got
an
agenda
and
I
know
that
Patty
Whitmer
has
slides
that
we're
going
to
go
through
so
hopefully
our
viewing
audience
as
well
as
those
of
you
who
are
here
today,
you
know
just
follow
along
with
me:
I'm
gonna
I'm,
not
gonna,
read
these
in
detail.
A
A
So
this
is
comes
through
odod
Ohio
Department
of
development,
and
this
is
for
the
Community
Development.
The
office
of
Community
Development
receives
the
funding
from
the
U.S
Department
of
Housing.
It's
come
through
HUD
Housing
and
Urban
Development
next
slide.
A
One
thing
worth
noting
is
that
in
there
in
2014
was
a
critical
infrastructure
program
and
I'll
get
in
a
little
bit
more
detail
as
to
what
that
means,
the
remainder
allocation
and
then
in
those
that
are
in
progress
2020
we
had
an
allocation.
This
is
the
West
Washington
Street
safety
improvements,
which
is
sidewalk
repairs,
and
we
have
recently
through
city
council,
council
members,
president
Chris
knisley
who's
here
today,
as
well
as
council
member
Sam
Crowell
authorized
an
expansion
of
that
project,
which
is
great
working
on
sidewalks
on
Shaffer
critical
infrastructure.
A
This
is
the
wastewater
treatment
plant
dewatering
the,
and
you
may
note
that
the
critical
infrastructures,
if
you
look
at
the
amounts
they're
significantly
higher
than
allocation
allocation,
is,
is
set.
They
come
in
two-year
rounds
at
about
at
150
000
2022
allocation,
which
is
the
Columbus
Road
lift
station
again
that
we're
looking
at
so
next
slide.
A
B
Thank
you,
sir,
so
just
for
the
members
of
the
viewing
audience
this
particular
slide.
So
if
you
look
at
completed
projects
just
because
it
says
that
that
dollar
amount
is
assigned
to
that
completed,
project
doesn't
mean
that's
what
that
project
cost.
That's
just
how
much
cdb
G
mining
went
into
that
project.
Many
of
those
projects
cost.
You
know
five
to
ten
times
what
is
shown
there.
It's
just
there's
about
a
little
smidgen
of
it.
Basically,
that's
been
paid
for
by
the
cdbg.
B
A
That
is,
thank
you,
so
the
different
programs.
We
have
the
community
development
program.
We
have
the
economic
development
loan
and
public
infrastructure
Grant
and
then
the
flexible,
Grant,
flexible
Grant
was
the
targets
of
opportunity.
So
it's
it's
changed
its
name
and
what
that
is,
and
we'll
get
into
a
little
bit
more
detail
Patty.
If
you
want
to
go
to
the
next
slide,
the
allocation
grants
again.
These
are
projects
for
public
facilities,
Public,
Services
housing,
Economic,
Development,
neighborhood,
revitalization.
These
are
all
the
ones
that
fall
under
again.
A
The
Community
Development
neighborhood
revitalization
grants
as
well
as
critical
infrastructure
grants
and,
as
was
said,
we
we
have
applied
every
year
for
since
2011,
with
the
allocations,
the
critical
infrastructure.
Again,
we've
applied
several
times
for
that
and
have
been
successful.
Those
you
can
be
awarded
up
to
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
with
that
next
slide.
A
The
economic
development
loan
and
public
infrastructure
program
has
the
economic
development
loan
program
up
to
500
000,
the
economic
development,
public
infrastructure
grant
program
again
500
000
cap
and
then
the
residential
public
infrastructure
grant
program
at
seven
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars
very
competitive
I.
Don't
even
believe
that
we
have
applied
for
that
in
the
past.
I,
don't
know
that
we've
applied
for
any
of
these
in
the
past,
but
certainly
worth
looking
into
excellent
and
then.
Finally,
this
is
the
flexible
grant
program
where
you
can
see
the
different
categories.
A
Next
slide,
please
just
to
dive
a
little
bit
into
LMI
the
data
and
eligibility
again
based
on
the
low
to
moderate
income
within
the
different
census,
tracts
census
blocks
within
the
city
of
Athens.
You
want
to
go
to
the
next
slide,
Patty
to
be
eligible.
It
has
to
be
and
have
an
LMI
of
51
or
greater.
So
these
are
the
different
blocks
in
the
city
or
census,
tracts
Patty.
A
If
you
want
to
jump
to
the
next
one
and
what
you
see
here,
everything
that
is
in
the
the
the
green
and
light
green
on
the
maps
are
below
50.
everything
that
you
see,
that
is
orange
or
yellowish
or
whatever
color
you're.
Seeing
right
now,
all
the
way
up
to
Red
those
are
LMI
eligible
tracks
in
the
city.
A
This
is
what
I
think
everyone's
come
to
see
the
project
suggestions
so
for
critical
infrastructure.
We
have
one
identified
project,
which
is
the
Columbus
Road
lift
station,
then
for
allocation,
we're
looking
at
possibly
North
Hill
drainage
improvements,
Lancaster
Columbia,
sidewalks,
city-wide,
sidewalk
grinding.
This
is
the
Milling
of
areas
where
the
sidewalk
has
heaved
up
and
is
creating
a
a
Ada
accessibility
challenge.
A
Citywide
curb
ramp
improvements,
Arts
West,
accessibility,
improvements,
I
believe
these
would
also
be
under
allocation,
the
ones
that
don't
have
allocation
next
to
them.
Those
are
new
ones
that
came
in
within
the
past
couple
days:
playground,
accessibility,
improvements,
the
cat,
shelter
and
upgrades
to
the
county
dog
shelters
included
in
here;
accessibility,
improvements
to
public
offices,
businesses
again
this
was
an
idea
that
came
forward
and
then
the
last
thing
is
a
lead
service
line.
Mapping
for
the
city
of
Athens.
C
A
B
Yeah
I
actually
have
a
question,
and
this
is
a
question
for
the
audience
specifically
for
for
Mr
cribbons,
since
we're
here,
I
think
the
last
time
we
met
about
this,
there
was
discussion
that
Ohio
Department
of
development
was
going
to
do
away
with
the
allocation
funding
and
that
they
no
longer
were
going
to
make
that
available
for
communities.
So,
as
we
plan
in
ensuing
years,
should
we
expect
that
money
not
to
be
available
any
longer?
No.
D
A
Because
you
know,
within
the
circles
that
I
engage
with
most
importantly,
the
mayor's
partnership
for
Progress
hearing
from
some
of
the
smaller
villages
to
lose
allocation
is
has
would
have
a
substantial
negative
impact.
D
E
You
Sam
crowl
for
Sunnyside
Drive,
one
I,
don't
have
a
project
to
add
to
the
list,
but
I
wanted
to
ask
a
clarification
about
one
of
the
projects:
North
Hill
drainage
improvements.
We
know
that
there's
a
number
of
issues
on
that
side
of
town
and
I
was
wondering
if
this
is
specific
to
North
Congress
or
to
Madison
Avenue,
or
to
neither.
B
I'll
start
and
then,
if
our
engineering
public
works
department,
members
who
are
here
in
the
audience
have
anything
to
add,
we
know
that
the
North
Hill
in
the
city
of
Athens
has
a
number
of
Natural
Springs
that
you
know
end
up
creating
challenges
over
time,
and
so
there
is
no
specific
location.
We
just
know
that
those
those
challenges
come
up
from
time
to
time
and
and
we
need
to
go
and
try
to
try
to
to
deal
those.
B
We
could
probably
spend
three
million
dollars
and
not
tackle
all
of
the
all
the
various
problems
there.
So
you
know
this
is
not
a
you
know.
Correction,
you
know
one
one
round
of
allocation
won't
do
very
much,
but
it
is
something
if
there's
an
acute
problem.
We
could
apply
this
towards
towards
that
and
again
to
Mrs
Griffin's
Point,
that
you
know
an
area
that
that
and
a
problem
that
wouldn't
be
necessarily
eligible
for
any
other
funding
source
external
funding
source
other
than
other
than
our
own.
F
A
That
question
to
Glenn,
Crippen
and
see
Glenn
is
what
a
amenities
for
a
farmer's
market,
especially
one
that
is
sitting
on
public
property.
Yeah.
D
It's
quite
possible
we'd
have
to
look
at
the
details.
What
we
have
to
analyze
is
who
is
benefiting
from
the
Improvement.
If
the
beneficiaries
of
the
investment
are
LMI,
we
have
more
wiggle
room
with
the
funding
requests,
so
that
is
something
that
could
be
taken
a
look
at
and
that
fact
that
it's
on
public
property
would
be
better.
D
So
it's
it's
something
we
should
explore.
If
that's
an
interest
of
the
city.
A
Commissioner
Stone
just
pointed
out
that
it
is
in
a
non-lmi
eligible
census
track
within
the
city.
The
whole
East
State,
Street
Corridor
is
is
well
below
the
51
percent,
so
it
would
not
be
eligible,
unfortunately,
or
fortunately,.
B
To
follow
up
on
what
you
said,
though,
can
it
be
located
geographically
outside
of
an
LMI
census
tract
if,
if
the
primary
beneficiary
is
a
LMI
group,
yes,.
D
D
The
whole
like
Athens
County
is
the
only
county
in
the
state
that,
as
a
whole,
by
Hud
data
is
over
51
LMI.
So
Athens
County
is
in
a
unique
investment,
cdbg
situation
and,
as
is
the
city,
so
even
though
the
East
State
census
tracts
are
below
51.
D
If
we
make
a
case
in
the
Grant
application
that
the
beneficiaries
are
a
group
of
or
a
geographical
set
of,
data,
that
is
over,
51
percent
will
be
okay,
so
it's
all
about
the
service
area
and
who
benefits,
who
truly
benefits,
and
the
state
will
look
at
that
very
closely
as
we
apply
so
very.
A
F
F
I
mean
I
think
that
study
that
was
done
a
couple
years
ago
with
the
public
places
or
people
for
whatever
it
was
called
like
that.
That
was
like
a
vision
that
was
created.
You
know
with
the
city
and
but
then
the
pandemic
hit
right
and
so
things
kind
of
got
but
hey
now
the
farmers
market
is
on
city
property,
so
I
mean
as
far
as
expounding
beyond
that.
Just
hoping
it
happens,
that's
it
great.
A
A
A
All
right,
I
feel
like
we've
gone
through
shift
change
from
for
those
of
you
who
are
in
here
today
when
wishing
to
speak
before
Council.
If
you
would
raise
your
right
hand,
I
mean:
do
you
solemnly
swear
that
everything
you're
going
to
present
today
before
the
Planning
Commission
is
truthful
and
honest?
A
Suppose
that
they'd
be
accepted
as
presented.
Second
in
a
second
any
comments,
changes
Corrections
hearing,
none
all
in
favor
of
adopting
signify
by
saying
aye
aye
opposed
same
sign,
an
Inception
extension.
Thank
you,
director,
Stone
cases.
We
have
one
case
before
us
today.
This
is
case
23-01.
This
is
title:
41.,
960,
East,
State,
Street,
commercial
development,
Chipotle
and
Starbucks
director
Riggs.
If
you
want
to
tee
this
up
for.
G
Us
thank
you,
mayor
members
of
Planning
Commission
we've.
The
staff
has
had
a
chance
to
review
the
updated
site
development
plans
for
this
project.
It's
about
2.7
Acres,
it's
gonna.
It
contains
two
separate
buildings:
a
Starbucks
and
a
Chipotle
proposed
two
access
points,
as
you
can
look
through.
I
I
did
and
I
apologize
for
this,
but
I
did
provide
you
comments,
but
just
at
the
very
last
minute.
So
if
I
could
go
through
those
real
quick,
the
proposed
design
does
meet
all
of
the
city's
zoning
setbacks.
Use
parking
Improvement
cover
Etc.
G
The
Landscaping
plan
that
we
received
is
a
little
bit
shy.
We
need
some
additional
trees
and
there's
a
proposal
for
11
trees
in
the
city
right
away.
Staff
feels
that
that
might
become
a
side,
distance
problem
for
us
and
we
would
not
recommend
that
those
be
located
there
we'd
like
the
developer
to
relocate
some
of
those
trees,
and
then
we
can
talk
to
them
about
the
additional
trees
required
review.
G
The
photometric
plans
and
I
noticed
some
minor
light,
trespass
on
the
west
property
line
and
on
the
East
property
line
that
can
be
corrected
with
either
shielding
or
readjusting.
The
the
proposed
lights
there
so
we'd
ask
them
to
review
that
fire
chief
had
comments
about
vehicle
access
on
the
Southwest
access
Point,
we've
reviewed,
I've
reviewed
that
with
the
city
engineer,
and
we
think
that
there,
during
an
emergency
situation
there
is,
there,
is
acceptable
access
to
be
able
to
get
onto
that
property
with
a
fire
vehicle.
G
The
police
chief
didn't
have
any
comments.
The
city
engineer
had
some
questions
or
concerns
about
interior
traffic
circulation
and
how
that
might
reflect
on
to
East
State
Street.
So
I'd
like
the
developer,
to
coordinate
with
that
office
for
or
some
of
for
some
additional
information
looked
at
the
existing
storm
sewer.
The
the
existing
sewer
on
on
the
street
has
adequate
capacity
to
pick
up
all
the
flows.
G
We
think
or
would
like
to
ask
that
the
developer
look
at
picking
up
the
flows
of
the
West
property
line
if
he
hasn't
done
that
to
put
that
into
the
storm
sewer,
so
we
don't
end
up.
Sometimes
in
the
winter
time
we
get
runoff.
That
causes
icing
problems
there,
and
this
would
help
us
solve
that
problem.
There
will
be
additional
stormwater
quality
measures,
but
we
can
address
that
at
the
Land
Development
piece.
G
Sewer
I
would
note
that
there's
a
pressure
Force
main
in
front
of
the
site
that
they
couldn't
would
not
be
able
to
tie
into,
but
it
looks
like
they
can
tie
into
that
existing
sanitary
sewer
and
it's
it
would
be
adequate
for
the
site,
but
note
that
the
plans
still
show
off-site
easements
and
I
want
the
developer
to
please
verify
that
he
has
obtained
those
easements
and
we're
going
to
recommend
a
Geotech
inspection
company
to
be
on
site
during
the
construction
of
the
proposed
retaining
walls.
G
We
think
that
that
will
that
will
help
everybody
in
this
situation.
Well,
we've
got
some
kind
of
outside
review
and
then
the
the
neighbor
located
north
of
this
property
had
some
comments
or
concerns
and
Barbara
Stout,
and
she
has
addressed
those
in
an
email
to
me
on
March
the
1st
yesterday
I've
attached
that.
A
H
Ladies
and
gentlemen,
the
commission,
thanks
for
having
us
my
name,
is
Jared
Decker
I'm,
the
real
estate
director
for
the
PM
company,
happy
to
address
these,
however
we'd
like
if
we
want
to
go
through
an
order,
talk
about
them.
You
know
whatever's
most
beneficial
I'd,
say
in
general.
David
gave
me
these
when
we
came
in
and-
and
we
will
get
with
our
engineer
of
record
who's
here
today-
Mark
Welch
from
Pickering-
and
we
will
have
these
comments
built
into
and
addressed,
certainly
before
the
meeting
on
the
16th
I
believe.
H
But
if
there
are
specific
questions,
I'm
happy
to
answer
them,
one
of
which
is
the
the
easement,
the
temporary
construction
easement.
So
we
were
unable
to
get
that
easement
from
the
neighbor
above
us.
So
what
we
did
was
pulled.
The
wall
down
six
feet,
brought
our
LOD
down
correspondingly
and
can
now
stay
off
of
her
property
and
that's
a
that.
Drawing
does
not
show
that
but
that'll
be
we'll
get
that
to
you
here
here
directly.
H
B
I
have
a
couple,
so
speaking
of
outside
easements
I
know
you
just
addressed
the
construction
easement
and
how
you
dealt
with
that.
So
you
didn't
have
to
go
north
of
the
property
in
order
to
Build
That
Wall.
The
site
plan
shows
18
foot
wide,
I,
think
I'm.
Reading
that
correct,
18
foot
wide
easement
per
or
483
slash,
1755.
B
I'm,
assuming
that
some
sort
of
shared
access,
easement
between
the
apartment,
building
next
door
and
the
western
side
of
this
site.
Can
you
speak
to
the
specifics
and,
what's
granted
and
who's
granted,
what
access,
via
that
particular
easement.
B
Is
there
anything
I
mean
because
there
is
like
a
few
feet
there
I
guess
there's
not
much,
but
there's
a
few
feet
external
to
your
property
before
you
get
to
the
edge
of
that
building.
Do
you
have
any
encumbrance
on
that
on
that
property?
Next
door?
No,
sir?
So
this
is
purely
theirs
and
you
believe
that
that
18-foot
access
is
sufficient
for
for
getting
onto
the
west
side
or
that
West
Drive.
There.
H
B
In
right
away,
once
you
get
down
into
the
throat
of
that
so
yep,
okay,
very
good,
I
understand.
My
second
question
has
to
do
with
the
sanitary
sewer
specifically
and
I.
Think
I
noted
through
you
know
my
concerns
just
because
of
my
knowledge
of
the
system
out
there
that
there
is
no
gravity,
sanitary
in
the
front
of
the
property.
The
gravity
sanitary
starts
at
the
southwest
corner
of
the
property.
Did
you
validate
the
elevations
that
you
can
actually
get
into
that
via
gravity.
E
I
One
of
the
things
that
Barbara
Stout
and
wrote
in
her
email
was
that
she
was
concerned
about
the
number
of
people
using
that
relatively
narrow
access.
Road
I
was
wondering
if
you
would
consider
widening
that
a
little
bit,
because
it
would
be
in
your
interest
too.
I
actually
went
up
that
hill
to
her.
Almost
her
house,
I
didn't
see
her
there,
but
I
was
pretty
amazed
at
how
steep
it
is.
H
I
H
I
H
I
E
J
I
K
H
For
us,
thank
you
so
we'll
take
them
in
order
here.
Number
one,
there's
history
of
slippage
on
the
Hills.
Obviously
we
got
the
wall
in
there
to
deal
with
that.
The
reason
the
wall
stops
where
it
does
is
because
our
Engineers
say
that
that's
efficient
to
hold
the
hill
to
double
down
and
sort
of
belt
and
suspenders.
The
missed
outs.
You
know
issue
is
we've
added
her,
giving
her
two
million
dollars
of
commercial
general
liability
insurance,
so
we're
basically
putting
our
money
where
our
mouth
is
there
and
says
hey.
H
If
we
create
a
problem,
you
know
you're
covered
we're
covered
and
we
hope
we
kind
of
think
that's.
The
good
will
of
hey
we're
we're
in
it
together.
Could.
H
I
H
J
J
I'd
like
to
how
is
the
engineer
able
to
say
they
don't
believe,
there's
going
to
be
any
problem
there
when
they're,
don't
I,
don't
believe
there
were
any
soil
samples
stake
in
there
in
that
other
area.
Remember
soil
samples
taken
in
you
know
in
10
or
so
locations,
but
not
in
not
to
the
west
of
that
property.
On
that.
L
Slope
sure
so
my
name
is
Mark
Welch
I'm,
with
Pickering
Associates
of
the
engineering
firm
for
for
these
guys,
so
using
the
soil
data
that
is
in
that
area
from
all
the
soil,
borings
I
believe
we
had
10
soil
borne.
That
gives
us
basically
the
the
general
information
of
the
type
of
soils
that
are
prevalent
in
that
area
and
then
specifically
to
the
west
side,
where
you're
referring
about
where
the
wall
stops.
That
area
are
proposed.
L
Grading
plan
has
that
slope
at
a
four
to
one
slope,
which
is
significantly
flatter
than
what
it
is
currently
and
a
combination
of
knowing
the
soil
type
plus
making
absolute
flatter.
We
don't
believe
a
wall
is
warranted
and
we
did
a
global
stability
analysis
of
the
and
of
the
entire
site
to
see
what
factor
safety
we
have
when
we
exceed
all
factors
of
safety
with
the
wall
and
without
the
wall
on
that
Western,
and
so
that's
how
we
feel
it's
not
warranted.
L
J
L
J
Is
the
is
the
is
the
retaining
wall
going
to
be
built
without
disturbing
any
of
the
soil,
any
more
than
has
already
been
Disturbed?
I.E,
though
those
will
those
those
Piers
or
columns,
concrete
columns
that
are
in
with
steel
encased,
they
will
be
put
in
drilled
put
in
place
before
the
soil.
Any
of
the
soil
is
moved.
L
Essentially,
there'll
be
a
little
bit
of
soil
movement
just
to
be
able
to
get
access
for
the
construction
equipment
on
there
to
do
the
work.
But
beyond
that,
the
first
method
of
construction
is
to
construct
the
wall.
Once
the
wall
is
in
place,
then
the
soil
gets
cut
down
to
make
room
for
the
buildings.
J
A
question
for
officer
Riggs:
would
you
talked
about
having
an
engineer
on
site
full-time
while
the
walls
going
in
basically
reporting
to
the
city?
That's.
G
What
we
have
yes,
sir,
that's
what
we
prefer
not
an
inch,
not
necessarily
an
engineer,
but
a
Geotech
inspector.
Okay,
that's
qualified
to
be
able
to
to
look,
and
they
do
this
all
the
time.
Look
at
the
construction
work
and
verify
that
they're
following
the
plans
that
there
aren't
any
issues
associated
with
it.
We
really
think
this
will
help
everybody
involved.
J
Okay,
so
they
would,
it
would
would
the
the
developer
pay
for
that,
but
they
would
report
to
the
city
or
how's
that
going
to
be
done.
Are
you
I
mean.
G
L
Okay
and
can
I
speak
to
that.
We've
also
got
plans
already
coordinated
and
established
to
do
that
exact
same
thing,
so
a
geotechnical
engineer
will
be
on
site
during
the
construction
of
the
wall
and
then
also
from
my
office,
either
myself
or
another
professional
engineer
from
Pickering
will
be
on
site
during
that
construction.
At
the
same
time,
and
so
there
will
be
somebody
there
to
monitor
to
ensure
that
the
depths
are
correct,
that
the
construction
is
being
done
in
accordance
with
the
drawings
and
then
to
address
anything
that
happens
to
come
up
during
construction.
J
I
want
to
I
got
one
more
I
got
one
more
question
for
the
developer.
Regarding
the
curb
Cuts
again,
what
did
you
go
through
as
a
part
of
the
planning
process
for
this
and
decide
that
there
wasn't
a
need
for
two
lanes
exiting
the
property
one
left
one
right
did.
Did
you
do
some
kind
of
analysis
like
that?
It's
and
you
feel
this
is
a
better
situation
than
if
particularly
the
one
curb
cut
in
the
middle
of
the
property.
J
Would
you
know
would
be
wider,
where
you
could
have
two
lanes
exiting
so
that
maybe
traffic
wouldn't
back
up
quite
as
much
traffic
into
the
site.
Well,
I'm
I'm
more
concerned
about
trying
to
get
traffic
out
of
there
and
the
cars
being
stacked
up
because
somebody's
making
a
left-hand
turn
right-
and
you
know
you
know
the
lines,
aren't
moving
I.
J
You
know
at
certain
times,
I,
don't
know
if
this
Starbucks
would
be
like
that
more
than
anything
else,
but
but
it
just
seems,
I
I
just
wondered
if
you
did
some
kind
of
an
analysis
and
felt
the
situation
was
better
I.
Quite
frankly,
I
got
mixed
emotions
because
I
believe
that
you
know
pedestrians
on
the
sidewalk
there.
You
know
with
three
lanes.
You
know
three
or
three
slots
one
in
two
out.
J
It
would
be
more
challenging
than
maybe
just
the
two
but
I
just
I,
just
curious
as
to
how
you
may
you
know,
I
just
think
it'll
be
everything's
so
close
to
the
road
you
know,
and
the
discharge,
like
the
the
one
on
that
common
driveway,
the
cars
are
coming
out
of
Starbucks
and
they're,
making
an
immediate
turn.
You've
got
traffic,
maybe
coming
from
the
apartments
and
sure
it
just
it
just
seems
complicated
and
I.
J
You
know,
I,
don't
know
I
liked
your
first
plan,
where
the
drive
coming
out
of
Starbucks
would
back
up
the
property
a
ways
right.
You
know,
because
then
that
gives
you
more
stack
room
and
stuff,
and
maybe,
but
just
just
the
thought
of
it,
just
talk
about
that
a
little.
If
you
could
about
how
we.
H
Ended
up
like
we
did
sure
so
we
we
started
with
one
curb
cut
with
one
lane
in
and
one
lane
out
which
is
sort
of
the
default.
That's
what's
there
today,
then
there
were
some
Rumblings
from
the
city
about
maybe
the
excess
load
on
that
existing
curve
cut,
and
so
our
answer
was.
Maybe
we
could
have
widened
that
or
expanded
that
initial
curb
cut,
but
we
instead
added
a
second
full
access,
curb
cut
to
try
to
mitigate
any
of
those
issues
that
you're.
Referring
to
there
wasn't
a
you
know.
H
We
we
didn't
retain
a
traffic
engineer
to
to
say
you
know.
This
is
the
way
that
you
know
it
can
be
done
or
a
b
or
c.
We
thought
it
was
sufficient
on
the
original
plan,
with
with
the
one
curb
cut,
so
we
thought
the
the
second
access
point
was.
Was
you
know,
over
and
above
to
solve
any
concerns
that
would
have
maybe
been
prevalent
with
one
one
point
of
access?
K
Mean
I
can't
imagine
this
is
going
to
have
much
more
traffic
than
Taco
Bell,
the
hotel
and
the
shade.
You
know
what
I
mean
well
because
of
how
these,
as
he
mentioned
last
meeting
Chipotle
will
be
heavier
in
the
afternoon
and
evening
and
Starbucks
will
be
in
the
morning.
So
I.
J
Just
might
you
know:
I
have
been
to
the
credit
union
just
a
couple
doors
down
and
tried
to
make
a
left-hand
turn
out
of
there,
and
you
essentially
have
to
go
across
two
or
you
could
say
you
could
turn
into
the
turn
lane.
You
know
and
with
you
know
it
just
can
be
pretty
challenging.
You
know
and
with
little
room
to
stack
the
traffic
there
coming
out.
You
got
somebody
wanting
to
make
a
left-hand
turn.
J
H
About
that,
the
other
thing
I
think
will
help,
and
certainly
you
can
probably
point
to
some
set
of
circumstances,
whether
it's
in
the
case,
but
the
majority
of
the
customers
of
these
two
buildings
theoretically
are
leaving
there
and
turning
right.
You
know
unless
they're
going
to
one
of
the
few
stores
to
to
to
to
the
left
to
the
east
I
guess
it
would
be
I
think
your
your
supply
chain
would
dictate
that
the
vast
majority
of
these
people
are
turning
right,
headed
back
to
work
to
school
to
home.
So
hopefully
that's
a
help
as
well.
H
K
There
be
any
benefit
director,
Stone
tractor
Riggs
like
at
Kroger.
You
can
only
turn
right.
Would
it
be
make
sense
for
the
new
curb
cut
to
only
turn
right
and
then
the
main
road,
obviously
to
be
left
or
right?
So
what
I'm
thinking
is?
Obviously,
if,
if
there
is
somebody
that's
taken
from
Return,
they
could
go
to
this
main
entrance
that
they're
cutting
and
then
it's
a
right
turn
only.
Do
you
know
what
I'm
trying
to.
H
G
Difficult
to
implement
that
to
be
able
to
force
somebody
to
do
that
if
they
want
to
turn
left
out
of
there
and
you
in
it,
you
got
a
sign
that
says
no
left
turn.
If
you've
got
a
little
turtle,
there
said
that
they'll
drive
over
it,
so
actually
making
that
say
in
it
and
making
them
do.
It
are
two
different
things:
yeah
and.
J
B
Of
a
point
on
that
I,
having
implemented
several
attempts
at
left
turn
only
on
East,
State
Street
and
failed
miserably.
I
know
that
that
people
generally
do
what
they
want
to
do
in
that
area.
I
appreciate
you
providing
the
trip
generation.
Analysis
I,
don't
know
that
I
buy
this
particular
model
because
of
number
of
seats,
given
that
both
of
these
restaurants
are
probably
going
to
be
a
very
heavy
drive
through
customers
versus
you
know
a
number
of
seats
being
the
indicator,
but
this
is
the
official
publication.
B
So
you
know
60
trips
an
hour
out
of
this
during
peak
hour.
You
know
one
trip
per
minute:
I,
don't
think
it's
too
onerous.
It
might
grow
a
little
bit
from
that,
but
I
don't
think
it's
too
onerous
for
this
location.
I'd
be
more
concerned.
If
we
were
East
correction
west
of
Walmart
be
very
hesitant
to
introduce
any
new
career
Cuts
West
of
West
of
Walmart,
particularly
for
fast
food,
without
a
full
loan
traffic
and
back
study.
B
Them
to
do
a
traffic
input
study
on
this.
We
just
asked
them
to
provide
us,
the
you
know
at
least
their
basis
for
trip
generation
for
their
design,
so
I
I,
I'm
comfortable
enough
based
upon
provision
of
this,
and
the
way
that
they've
laid
it
out
to
say
that
this
will.
Okay,
that's.
H
H
Yeah,
hey,
maybe
I,
did
want
to
address
the
other
two
points
that
missed
out's
email.
As
you
requested,
the
Springs
I
think
we
talked
Mark
talked
about
those
and
I
guess
we
sort
of
de
facto
talked
about
number
three,
the
the
driveway
as
well,
and
widening
that
driveway
from
maybe
22
feet
to
whatever's
there,
seeing
if
that's
a
possibility,
I've
got
that
noted
on
my
to-do
list.
This
will
help.
I
L
Yeah,
so
we're
we're
capturing
the
majority
of
the
water
on
site,
some
of
the
water.
That's
going
off
site
before
construction
will
remain
that
way,
the
spring
the
spring
flow.
If,
if
there
are
Springs
in
there,
I
do
not
believe
that
they
would
overrun
our
storm
the
water
system.
We
have
a
lot
of
capacity
in
that
system,
we're
actually
doing
an
underground
storm,
Tech
chamber
system
to
to
store
all
that
extra
water
in
the
runoff,
and
so
there's
quite
a
bit
of
capacity
there
if
needed,
and
then
during
construction.
L
I
B
You
just
a
comment.
You
know.
Some
of
these
statements
in
here
require
you
to
do
things
after
we
get
out
of
here
and
after
you
gain
approval
from
so
you
know.
Typically,
what
we'll
do
is-
and
we'll
probably
make
a
motion
here
shortly
to
to
approve
it
contingent
upon
following
the
instructions
of
the
code
office
and
the
engineering
Public
Works
office
for
the
those
final
details,
I
I
do
want
to
commend
you
on
figuring
out
how
to
do
this.
So
a.
J
B
Ago,
actually,
more
than
a
decade
ago,
15
years
ago,
during
grad
school,
this,
for
my
civil
engineering
master's
degree,
the
site
was-
was
a
was
a
project
for
us
to
look
at
and
do
due.
Diligence
on
development
and
basically
the
takeaway
was
a
really
hard
site
to
develop
for
a
variety
of
reasons,
which
is
the
reason
we've
watched
it
languish
for
30
years.
So
the
fact
that
you've
been
able
to
come
out
here
and
and
figure
out
a
way
to
build
something
on
it.
I
think
speaks
to.
You
know
the.
H
G
We,
what
do
we
do
here?
The
next
steps
once
you
those
once
this
is
approved
and
the
minutes
are
done,
we'll
we'll
you'll
need
to
come
back
to
us
for
a
zoning.
Permit
a
Land
Development
permit
a
you,
don't
need
a
curb
cut
blood
plane!
That's
that
yeah
you'll
have
to
come
back
for
us
for
the
for
for
a
few
permits
and
then
we'll
go
through
that
process.
Pretty
it'll
be
pretty
quick,
since
we've
got
most
of
the
information
that.
H
A
Communications
we
do
do
not
have
any
any
other
reports.
Anything
new
from
you.
M
M
It's
been
mentioned
before
when
a
proposed
zone,
changes
or
changes
to
the
city
code
were
proposed
recently
that
they
didn't
include
a
change
in
definite
or
not
change,
but
to
create
a
definition
for
eating
and
drinking
establishments
in
the
city
code
that
that
has
come
up
before
the
board
of
zoning
appeals
which
I
serve
on
for
the
city
repeatedly
as
an
issue.
M
There's
not
a
definition
in
the
code
and
I
was
hoping
that
we
would
see
that
as
part
of
the
sort
of
package
of
of
proposals
that
are
before
city
council
now
and
that
didn't
come
forward
with
those
and
I
just
want
to
bring
that
up
as
a
something
to
not
forget,
really
I
think
needs
to
be
done,
is
to
review
and
determine
what
the
definition
should
be
of
an
eating
and
drinking
establishment
in
the
city
code.
So
that's
clarified.
We
recently
had
a
lawsuit
that
you're
very
familiar
with
I.
G
Riggs
I
I
would
like
to
respond
to
that.
Debbie
Walker,
the
clerk
of
Council
and
I,
are
working
on
revising
all
the
definitions,
in
codified
ordinance
from
from
Title
One
to
title
99,
and
that's
a
big
task
that
we're
we're
working
on
that.
So
we
will
have
a
new
set
of
definitions
that
better
matches
the
code
that
we
currently
have.