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It
would
be
nice
to
get
somebody
like
an
architect
or
somebody
who
plans
these
sorts
of
things
to
sit
down
with
us
and
and
work
on,
maybe
that
summary
sheet
to
begin
with.
What
do
you
really
want
to
see
on
one
of
these
things
when
you're
approaching
the
city
and
so
start
from
the
information
we
need
now
business
person's
point
of
view,
Magnolia.
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A
That
raises
another
issue
and
I
was
always
concerned
about
when
I
looked
at
our
landscape,
ordinance
that
there
are
target's
for
percentage
covers
the
tree
tree
coverage
and
obviously
this
is
one
once
the
trees
are
mature
and
one
of
the
things
I
haven't
done
yet
is
to
figure
out
whether
our
5%
plus
is
Paramus.
That
actually
would
get
us
to
the
point
where
a
large
property
would
have
the
25
percent
affordable,
sound.
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It
looks
like
it's
gonna
be
pretty
close
if
it
is,
if
it
is
that,
because
I
mean
clearly,
you
plant
trees
in
100
to
200
square
feet,
but
then
the
canopy
spreads
further
than
that,
but
it
can't
spread
that
much
further,
because
you
know
that
the
restriction
is
really
the
drip
line
and
the
roots
have
been
roughly
where
the
rip.
So,
if
you've
confined
them
to
this
general
square
foot
area,
that's
probably
big
as
the
trees
kill
again,
and
so
that's
another
thing
to
be
looking
at
the
landscape
was.
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I
say
one
more
thing
on
the
landscape.
Horn
is
just
as
like
a
just
another
card,
I
think
for
us
for
us
to
consider
we're
looking
at
making
changes.
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Possibly
you
know,
survivability
is
a
huge
issue
and
with
so
much
mortality,
it's
such
a
tough
site
to
try
to
establish
trees
and
one
way
I
think
that
we
can
increase
the
health
of
those
trees
is
by
incorporating
the
use
of
shrubbery
again
clustering,
shrubs
around
the
trees
and
living
ground
covers
I
think
would
be
better
and
at
also
I
think
would
have
aesthetic
benefits
as
well.
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It
would
increase
installation
costs
for
the
developer,
but
I
think
that's
something
that
you
know
if
we
really
start
to
work
with
these
guys
and
we're
obviously
making
you
know
we're
looking
at
what
they're
requesting
and
changing
the
way
that
we
view
things
I
think
that
would
be
something
that's
a.
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I
think
strawberry
and
ground
covers
clustering
plants,
and
maybe
those
are
things
I
I
know
that
Zanesville
uses
I'm,
not
gonna,
say
that
we're
right.
What's
the
the
screen,
II
like
how
you
actually
layer
the
vegetation
vertically
so
that
you
can
absorb
noise
and.
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Seen
them
yeah,
there's
that
there's
actually
you
know
they
act,
they
prevent
to.
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Did
for
Oh
golly
Ron?
Let
us
off
on
a
path.
Let's
see
the
landscape
aboard
I
believe
is
the
next
thing,
and
we've
only
got
two
nominations
at
this
point
and
they're
really
informal
nominations
made
by
tree
commissioners.
They
are
about
say
one
was
for
mr.
Kline's,
a
very
difficult
site
on
West,
8th
Street,
which
is
a
an
apartment.
Now
isn't
a
date
David
White.
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B
Not
that
one
Emily
and
I,
as
you
may
recall,
went
to
the
site.
It
has
requests
and
he
actually
asked
us
to
place
bricks
exactly
where
he
really
wanted
to
get
it
right
and
we
suggested
species
changes
I
forgotten
what
he
wanted
to
plant
originally.
But
there
were
some
problems
with
it.
So
at
any
rate,
so
I'm
really
glad
to
hear
I
haven't
I,
keep
meaning
to
go
by
and
and
drive
in,
but
the
workers
had
dumped
paint.
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So
we
have
our
calling
for
nominations
for
our
third
annual
landscape
award,
and
this
is
for
the
best
new
landscaping
and
for
the
best
established.
Although
we
find
ourselves,
perhaps
in
a
situation
of
not
having
enough
established
landscaping
sites
to
continue
that
category
and
we
might
have
to
go.
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B
I
know
that
this
and
this
happened
came
up
because
there
was
another
commercial
site
where
we
saw
the
plans
and
we're
quite
enthusiastic,
but
then,
when
it
was
actually
put
up,
it
was
very
difficult
to
reconcile
that
with
the
original.
So
and
things
happen,
you
know
in
the
hands
that
people
actually
the
point.
You
know
the
people
from
the
nursery
or
whoever
who
actually
put
through
the
sand
and
sometimes
so
I
just
thought
would
be
good
idea
to.
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Know
another
established
landscape
that
has
done
pretty
well
and
had
its
struggles.
It's
probably
conflict
of
interest,
but
the
rec
center
I,
just
I
was
looking
at
the
ash
trees.
But
when
you
know
you
go
back
and
you
think
of
how
bad
that
soil
was
it's
all
fill
and
the
efforts
you
know
that
went
into
actually
establishing
trees
and
shrubbery
in
those
parking
areas
and
stuff.
That's.
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Schwartz
off
has
done
a
really
really
good
job.
With
that
the
way
the
community
center
looks
and
performs
for
four
people,
and
he
says
that
one
of
the
comments
he
gets
from
people
who
come
here
for
out-of-town
recreation,
things
where
there
are
games
or
somesuch.
They
always
comment
on
the
trees
in
the
fields,
in
particular
where
they
small
towns
that
have
fields
elsewhere.
Often
we
have
a
big
bare
open
spaces
in
there.
You
can
stand
in
the
shade
and
watch
a
game
I.
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The
other
way
and
again
it's
might
be
helpful
in
our
other
dealings,
but
I'm
a
streetscape.
You
know
with
all
those
property
owners
on
Court
Street
who
have
you
know
to
reinforce
I
know
not
all
the
trees
have
survived,
but
there
are
a
lot
of
trees
that
have
done
really
well
about
leather,
for
example.
Yes,
well.
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You
have
a
replanting
problem
on
that
street.
That
I
think
frustrates
people
who
have
businesses
there
and
want
trees
nearby
them
and
we
plant
once
a
year,
and
we
had
an
example
of
just
this.
Past
year
we
planted
in
late
November,
and
then
there
was
a
survived
at
least
one
or
two
trees,
vandalized
in
January,
one
on
a
Friday
January.
The
13th
was
but.
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There's
still
green,
so
I
think
if
they
got
it's
just
such
a
huge
outbreak,
I
mean
there's
no
natural
pregnant
on
a
site
like
that,
there's
no
natural
predators
and
probably
natural
occurring
things
that
can
actually
kill
something
like
that
and
so
that
when
they're,
you
know
when
there
gets
to
be
a
problem
boy,
it
can
get
to
be
a.
We.
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His
presentation
and
showing
how
in
I
remember
the
picture
from
Munich.
You
know
there
were
things
they
did
different
things.
They
do
two
in
a
difficult
area.
I
think
that
was
at
the
airport
that
one
picture
he
showed
and
they
had
grapes
coming
like
like
fans
on
either
side
of
the
tree,
so
that
would
get
more
water
and
then
and
then
the
paving
nearby
was
permeable
bathing
so
that
it's
another
way
of
the
trees
getting
pretty.
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This
is
one
of
the
things
you
see.
A
design
board
of
keels
I
know
that
some
of
the
members
of
the
board
appeals
they're
stuck
to
any
part
of
that
has
to
be
asphalt,
concrete
or
brick,
most
people
going
with
asphalt
and
concrete,
and
therefore
they
do
have
runoff
problems,
but
the
idea
there
is
that
I
know
they
asked
me
if
I
could
find
some
kind
of
chemical
system
to
work
through
and
again
when
Andy
stone
was
around.
There
were
limitations
on
that
because
of
the
requirement
I
think
Andy
went
anyway.
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One
was
dealing
with,
but
I
want
to
say
not
to
say
anything
against
these
people,
but
just
because
you
go
to
conference
and
they're
experts
doesn't
mean
that
they
are
necessarily
on
a
cutting
edge
or
that
they
covered
all
the
bases
they
may
have
said.
Okay,
here's
what
we
think
people
will
do
rather
than
hear
all
the
options
I
mean
they
didn't
talk
about
what
they
didn't.
B
Singapore,
for
example,
might
have
you've
been
talking
to
me
about
what
they
do
in
Singapore
and
how
they
have
to
have
because
of
the
torrential
rains
there
they
have
to
be
able
to.
You
know
not
to
just
have
it,
although
to
storm
drains,
so
they
have
a
lot
of
these
concrete
blocks.
You
know
yeah
well,.
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D
You
know
I
wonder
if
some
of
that
does
it's
like
it.
Those
things
are
driven
out
of
necessity
and
when
you
you
know,
it's
so
easy
to
just
asphalt
it,
and
so
that
leads
me
to
wonder
I
know
in
Ames
well
because
of
the
FEMA
regulations.
According
to
our
flood
control
agreement,
you
know
that
we
that
we
did,
they
cannot
pay
anything
in
the
floodplain.
No,
and
so
even
the
parking,
let's
have
to
just
be
gravel,
I
mean
or
I.
Guess
that's
just
the
easiest
thing
these
internal
are.
A
Just
all
sales,
so
the
so
structure
here
might
mitigate
against
it,
because
if
you
assign
the
some
of
these
soils,
water
won't
drain
through
and
just
think
many
of
the
flood
plant
cells
are
heavy
clay.
It's
not
that
it's
not
gonna
soak
in
now,
they'd
be.
What
you
can
do,
though,
is
you
can
make
these
structured
soils
around
trees,
landscaped
areas,
so
at
least
you
absorb
the
water
there,
and
so
it
is
actually
useful,
but
you
can't
then
build
it
into
a
stormwater
runoff
program
because
it
isn't
gonna
go
anywhere.
B
And
I
mean
I
was
kind
of
thinking
about
is
if,
if
permeable
paving
could
be
introduced
around
tree
planting
site
at
least
then
it
gives
people
start
to
think
about
it.
This
is
a
possibility,
and
then
you
know
if
it's
something
that
works
and
people
see
it
works
and
it
could
be
expanded.
You
know
they
could
choose
to
expand
it
or
do
things
differently,
but
I
think
it's
hard
to
do
something
in
unless
you
see
a
model
somewhere,
that's
working.
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Oak
death,
if
you
were
to
google
sudden
oak
death,
would
it's
because
it's
a
wilting
in
the
crown
of
the
tree
and
then
I'd
have
a
bleeding.
You
know:
you'll
you'll
you'll
see
a
leaking
fluid
from
them
from
the
wood
and
then
I
think.
Eventually,
if
you
pull
that
bark
off
there's
a
redness
mm-hmm
that
might
be
the
spores,
so
that's
kind
of
one
of
the
diagnostic
characteristics.
It's
never
been
found
in
Ohio,
but
it's
been
in
California
mm-hmm
I'm
in
the
Pacific
Northwest.
Another
argument
for
buying
local.
You
know
local
pimp.
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B
In
fact-
and
you
know,
they
probably
purchased
the
house
from
somebody
else,
including
the
sidewalk,
but
that
and
then
by
replacing
that
sidewalk
and
cutting
the
roots
now
now
you're
damaging
a
tree.
So
I
think
that
it's
just
it's
good
to
see
it
from
a
different
point
of
view.
I
wish
had
been
there
Steve.
It
was
such
a
wonderful
president.
He
was
so
thorough
in
his
methods,
very
scientific
and
then
he's
actually
doing
had
to
research
sidewalks
that
they're
laying
down
to
do
a
longitudinal
study
on
it.
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That's
an
easy
way
meet.
This
inventory
will
be
helpful
in
mitigating
the
Asch
problem,
but
also
in
orchestrating
how
a
work
happens
with
the
city,
crews,
I
mean
they,
they
could
go
out
just
punch
out.
At
least
it
could
punch
out
a
list.
Okay,
it's
so
slow
winter
day.
Let's
cut
all
that,
you
know
address
Street,
stop
signs
and
clearance
issues.
Another.
G
Thing,
for
example,
it's
in
the
subdivision
regs.
It
says
that
the
street
trees
that
are
planted
in
the
tree
lawn
have
to
be
clear
of
branches
up
to
eight
feet,
so
they're
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of,
and
mr.
Ingram
and
I
talked
about
this
in
relationship
to
some
other
things
too,
where
you
have
so
many
different
parts
of
the
code
that
were
passed
at
different
times
without
understanding
the
relationship
to
other
sections.
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So
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
really
conflict
with
themselves
and
I
gave
you
five
or
six
examples
right
and
those
things
it
just
depends.
You're
talking,
one
person
they're,
quoting
one
section
of
the
code
and
you
have
to
say
well
yeah,
that's
what
the
code
says
then
over
here
it
says
something
exactly
the
opposite.
Give
me
another
example
right
now
we
have
an
ordinance
and
I'm
dealing
with
this
one
right
now
we
have
an
ordinance
that
says
if
you
have
a
tree,
a
shrub
or
a
bush,
that's
overhanging,
a
sidewalk.
G
You
have
to
clear
it
of
the
sidewalk,
so
people
can
walk
down
through
there.
We,
though,
have
another
section
that
says
if
this
particular
tree
or
shrub
or
bush
happens
to
be
on
the
right
away.
You
can't
cut
it
without
a
permit.
So
I'm
writing
letters
to
people
and
saying
you
need
to
cut
this
stuff
back
off
the
sidewalk,
because
people
can't
walk
down
the
sidewalk
without
running
into
it.
Then
they
turn
right
back
around
and
say
well,
I
can't
do
it
to
the
tree.
G
Commission
gives
me
a
permit
to
do
it,
so
you
may
have
someone
actually
come
to
you
soon
and
ask
for
you
to
waive
their
requirement
to
trim
things
back
off
the
sidewalk,
essentially
to
make
a
judgement?
Is
it
really
obstructing
it's
what's
what's
in
the
best
interest
to
trim
this
thing
back
and
clear
the
sidewalk
or
to
let
it
grow?
So
that's
just
one
example,
but
there
are
many.
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So
at
the
same
thing
when
you're
talking
about
landscaping
and
parking,
the
city
has
a
parking
requirement
that
even
for
a
one-bedroom,
an
efficiency
apartment,
you
have
to
provide
360
square
feet
of
impervious
surface
to
paved
parking
spots.
A
person
can
live
in
seventy
square
feet
at
a
minimum,
but
they
have
to
have
360
square
feet
of
impervious
surface
example,
being
river's
edge,
apartments,
120
efficiency
and
one-bedroom
apartments,
240
parking
spaces.
G
They
didn't
ask
for
a
variance
and
one
to
meet
the
requirement.
So
maybe
that's
a
way
to
make
make
it
a
little
softer,
possibly
for
developers
to
buy
into
some
more
advanced
technological
kinds
of
things
that
would
help
with
landscaping.
If
there
was
a
trade-off
for
the
number
of
parking
spots,
they
actually
had
to
create.
Also.
E
G
Over
a
thousand
parking
spaces
at
the
time
now
they
were
only
now
they
would
only
be
required
to
have
500.
So
that
was
a
compromise
to
allow
essentially,
for
example,
Lowe's.
They
had
a
reduced
parking
requirement.
Therefore
they
had
more
area
for
landscaping.
So
if
there's
some
incentive
I
think
from
the
business
side
of
it
too-
and
you
know
if
it's.
H
G
Have
well
that's
another
thing
that
when
you
were
talking
about
remote
parking
or
parking
on
adjacent
already
paved
areas
to
meet
a
parking
requirement,
we
don't
have
dual
usage
parking
requirements
and
allowances
in
town.
So
if
a
business
is
here,
it
has
parking
and
it's
only
open
till
six
o'clock
and
there's
another
business
next
door
that
essentially
kicks
in
business
at
six.
They
both
have
to
meet
the
parking
requirement.
They
can't
share
it.
They
can't
share
a
parking
area,
so
these
overflow
parking
areas
I
think,
are
good.
G
That
means
that's
less
pavement
that
they
have
to
create.
We
said
the
city
sets
a
minimum
amount
of
paper,
not
a
maximum
amount.
They
can
go
well
beyond
that
if
they
want
but
I
mean
I'm
actually
encouraged
when
I
see
use
of
adjacent
properties
with
reciprocal
parking
in
dual
usage
parking,
but
we
don't.
We
don't
have
those
kinds
of
regulations,
but.
C
A
C
G
A
G
G
The
regulations
came
from
the
East
Coast
New
Jersey
area,
where
they
had
trout,
streams
and
trout
are
very
sensitive
to
water
temperature,
and
you
had
that
additional
increase
in
temperature
off
of
parking
lots
and
they
essentially
killed
off
all
the
trout.
So
in
order
to
maintain
trout
in
these
streams
that
created
requirements
for
riparian
areas,
where
you
couldn't
develop
close
to
the
streams
and
also,
then
you
had
to
regulate
the
temperature
and
the
water
quality
of
the
runoff.
So
there's
a
lot
of
there's
a
lot
of
different
components.
G
F
E
C
C
D
D
Read
people
yeah,
it
was
leaning.
Okay,
there
was
a
complaint
by
the
property
owner,
I'm
sure
it's
a
rental
who
doesn't,
and
it
wasn't
that
bad
but
I.
You
know
again
I
think
the
tree
Commission
does
an
excellent
job
of
being
responsive
to
concerns
and
the
tree
was
in
decline.
You
know
as
red
maple
pretty
old.
It
was.
D
D
D
D
Me
Paul
I
mean
again
that'd
be
an
expensive
proposition
for
the
city
to
undertake
either.
C
F
C
D
B
D
E
D
F
D
C
G
C
F
D
A
lot
of
nice
planting
sites,
but
that's
here's
the
other
thing
for
that
property
owner
the
neighbor
I
think
that
the
right-of-way
is
fairly
narrow.
It's
gonna
be
difficult
to
reestablish
public
trees
there,
so
that
is
a
great
area
for
for
the
property
owners
or
the
neighborhood
neighbors
to
get
together
and
put
some
small
little
trees
that
could
eventually
get
some
size
on
them
because
it'd
be
hard
I.
Think
for
us
to
justify
it
yeah.
You
know
an
expensive
neighborhood
street
keep
tree
planted,
but
they.
B
F
B
E
D
You
think
about
the
actual
number
of
trees
that
we
have.
You
know
dotting
our
landscape
in
Athens
and
beyond.
You
know
the
the
incidence
of
tree
failure
is
quite
quite
rare,
but
I
think
yeah
and
also
when
you
look
at
hazards
most
likely
trees
near
houses
don't
fall
over.
What
happens
is
during
a
storm
event
or
if
there's
a
significant
defect,
yeah
the
branch
falls.
So
so,
it's
probably
you
know
I
think,
there's
probably
more
important
things
in
the
world
to
worry
about
than
trees
fall.
I,
don't
really
know.