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Athens Shade Tree Commission - March 11, 2021
A
Good
evening
this
is
the
athens
city,
shade
tree
commission
meeting
for
march
11
2021.
We
have
some
people
who
are
joining
us
this
evening
and
david
riggs.
Do
you,
can
you
do
some
introductions
or
how
do
we
want
to
handle
this.
B
Good
evening
everybody,
this
is
david
riggs.
We
did
invite
some
of
the
wota
folks
ann
little
chuck
garvick.
I
know
I
see
them
on
here
and
tom
simmons.
Those
are
all
going
to
be
representing
the
the
two
site
plans
that
we
have
for
review
tonight.
A
Okay,
okay,
very
good,
we'll
we'll
get
on
to
those
in
a
few
minutes.
We've
got
a
couple
of
tree
permit
issues
to
discuss
before
we
get
to
that.
Let
me
just
share
my
screen
with
the
agenda
on
it.
That
should
be
this
one
here.
A
Crab
apple
trees
at
the
johnny
appleseed
park
and
their
possible
replacement,
it's
not
clear
to
me
who
would
be
paying
for
their
replacement.
I
think
at
least
one
of
the
ones
that
I
looked
at
is
in
a
fairly
serious
decline,
and
I
think
some
others
did
actually
go
and
have
a
look
at
this
site.
So
I
don't
know
what
comments
people
want
to
make
on
these
two,
I'm
not
ready
to
to
approve
this
yet,
but
I'm
almost
there.
A
C
David,
I
agree,
I
think
both
of
those
trees
are
in
decline.
I
think
that
one
is
more
in
decline
than
the
other
having
significant
structural
issues.
The
other
one
also
has
water
spouts.
C
So
I
wouldn't
be
adverse
to
having
them
replaced.
I
agree
we
need
to
find
out
who
is
replacing
them.
There
is
a
concern
if
they
are
replaced,
how
will
they
be
replaced
without
significant
deer
damage
if
they
want
to
replace
them
with
apple
trees,.
D
So
who
who's
who's
in
charge
of
that
area,
it's
the
garden
club?
No,
no,
do
they
do
they
just
take.
Do
they
just
do
the
plantings
or
do
they
are
they
do
they
have
some
sort
of
oversight
for
the
area
I
mean?
Is
it
a
city
park.
A
It's
a
city
park
and
the
garden
club
maintained
the
the
plants
there.
I
don't
think
they
do
anything
with
the
trees,
because
in
the
past,
they've
asked
us
to
deal
with
some
pruning
of
some
of
the
trees
on
that
site.
A
I
don't
know
I
hadn't
spoken
to,
I
think
it
was
margaret
murray.
Was
the
person
who
asked
about
this,
and
the
first
thing
I
wanted
to
do
was
just
establish.
Yes,
margaret
murray
asked
this,
and
it
just
has
the
requests
being
made
on
behalf
of
the
athens
garden
club
who
maintain
the
park.
D
Well,
I
guess
we've
been
asking,
is
there
someone
here,
that
is,
is
our
contact
with
the
city.
A
Well,
no,
I
I
I
will
have
to
talk
to
andrew
chicky
about
a
possible
replacement,
but
it
would
be
the
city
that
would
remove
these
trees.
A
Well,
I
I
sent
out
an
email
asking
people
if
they
could
go
and
have
a
look
about
this.
I'm
I'm
there's
no
great
hurry.
I
mean
that
the,
but
I
suspect-
and
I
should
probably
try
and
contact
margaret
murray
and
find
out
if
this
is
the
case,
but
I
suspect
they
they
would
like
them
to
be
removed
before
they
start
doing
their
doing
their
plantings
for
this
year.
E
They
do
have
fundraisers
the
garden
club,
and
so
we
should
probably
make
sure
that
they,
you
know,
don't
have
plans
for
for
funding
the
replacing
the
trees.
Maybe
they
wanted,
they
could
buy
the
trees
but
whatever,
but
if
they
want,
they
might
have
a
plan
to
do
that.
Okay,.
C
E
A
Yeah
and
and
replaced
so
I
mean
I,
I
don't
have
any
problems
with
the
replacement
there.
It's
a
case
of
who's
going
to
pay
for
it,
I
think,
is
the
question
and
that
needs
to
be
established
either
or
andrew
you're
going
to
have
to
call
margaret
murray
and
ask
her
whether
the
garden
club
thinks
it's
going
to
replace
them
or
whether
the
city
should
replace
them.
A
Okay,
so
david.
C
Do
you
need
us
to
have
a
motion
that
that
andrew
talked
with
margaret
and
that
we
will
approve
the
removal
if
they
can
figure
out
who
will
replace
those
trees.
A
D
A
A
Well,
let's
give
nancy
a
chance
to
go
and
have
a
look
at
it
and
I'll
circulate
an
email.
G
A
There's
way
too
much
noise.
In
the
background
on
this
call,
I
can't
we
need
to
have
some
control
over
the
sound.
A
Okay,
now
it's
we're
still
getting
echoes
somehow
in
this,
and
I
don't
think
it's
me.
D
Meanwhile,
david,
this
is
nancy.
Yes,
please
go
ahead.
Three
of
you
seem
to
have
seen
enough.
Okay,
obvious,
apparently.
A
Okay,
so
if
there's
a
general
consensus,
then
that
we'll
we'll
recommend
that
they
are
removed
and
I'll
work
with
andrew
chicky
on
how
they're
going
to
be
replaced-
and
I
think
roxanne
you
wanted
a
more
general
review
of
the
trees
on
that
site.
A
Yeah,
so
if
that
is
the
general
consensus,
we'll
see
what
we
can
do
about
getting
a
review
of
those
trees.
The
when
I
visited
the
site
there
is
an
evergreen.
That's
been
trimmed
to
put
it
politely
by
asplund,
the
aep
contractor
to
keep
it
clear
of
some
high
voltage
cables
at
the
rear
of
the
park
and
the
there's
a
u
tree
there.
That
looks
as
if
it's
doing
doing
quite
fine,
then
there's
the
third
crab
apple.
A
H
Apologize
yeah,
I'm
happy
to
assess
you
want
me
to
inspect
those
well.
A
Yeah,
the
the
I
think,
the
consent,
the
consensus,
if
you
heard
it,
is
that
there
are
two
crab
apples
on
the
east
side
of
the
park,
yeah
that
are
in
serious
decline,
okay,
good!
Well,
then,
if
you
can
just
go
and
have
a
look
at
the
other
trees
and
just
yeah,
and
so.
A
Okay,
so
I
think
we've
got
that
one
squared
away
the
other
two
that
I've
got
on
this
list
for
tonight
are
both
on
elmwood
there's
a
55
elmwood
we've
got
two
bradford
pears,
they're,
quite
large
trees.
I
didn't
see
anything
particularly
wrong
with
them,
although
I
think
roxanne
you
visited
this
site
and
did
confirm,
there
is
a
quite
a
split
in
one
of
them.
C
Okay,
so
I
think
two
of
us
actually
observed
this
split.
When
I
put
my
hand
down
into
the
split,
I
didn't
feel
any
significant
rock,
but,
as
you
know,
bradford
pairs
are
prone
to
splitting
and
the
owner
with
whom
I
spoke
briefly,
would
consider
cabling.
If
that
is
recommended
at
her
expense
in
2007,
she
did
have
both
trains
trees
pruned
they
did
an
excellent
job.
I
thought
it
probably
is
time
for
a
little
bit
of
maintenance
pruning.
She
was
concerned
or
her
neighbors.
C
I
should
say
we're
concerned
about
the
overhang
in
the
streets.
I
didn't
see
any
potential
issues
right
now,
I'd
be
in
favor
of
allowing
her
to
have
some
maintenance
pruning
and
to
have
somebody
look
to
see
whether
or
not
cabling
you
know
is
the
appropriate
thing
to
do.
I
didn't
think
it
was
at
this
time,
but
others
might
have
other
opinions.
A
Okay,
I
would
agree
on
the
estate
of
the
branches.
I
didn't
think
that
they
that
they
were
a
hazard
and
that
some
pruning
would
probably
be
sufficient,
and
are
you
familiar
with
these
trees
at
all.
H
H
Yeah,
I
know
them,
you
know
pear
trees,
they're
they're
unpredictable.
H
These
have
been
very
well
maintained
and
both
by
the
city
and
I
think
by
the
current
property
owner
as
well
as
the
property
owner
before
I
would
not
recommend.
I
agree
with
you
roxanne.
I
wouldn't
recommend
cabling
a
pair.
It's
going
to
be
painful
to
remove
them,
but
probably
the
the
progressive
thing
to
do
would
be,
remove
and
replace.
It
is
going
to
be
a
tough
area
to
put
new
trees
into
because
the
house
is
kind
of
close
and
it
it's
a
it's
a
little
bit
of
a
narrow
lot.
H
H
You
know
the
thing:
the
I've
seen
a
lot
of
pairs
like
that
and
the
ones
that
get
pruned
out
earlier
trained
early
on
they.
They
can
really
last
okay,
amazing
specimens
in
chillicothe
that
are
very
similar
to
those,
and
I
I'm
always
shocked
that
you
know
despite
the
ice
loads
and
all
that
they've
and
that's
a
pretty
protected
fight
right
there
on
watt.
So,
if
she's
willing
to
do
that,
I
do
and
again
I
haven't
visited
them
this
year.
I
saw
them
last
year.
H
You
know
a
good
arborist
and
she
must
have
a
relationship
with
one
they're
gonna.
They
have
an
obligation
to
tell
her
the
truth
and
if,
if
there
truly
are
structural
issues
with
these,
I'm
sure
that
that
person
would
would
would
tell
her
and
if
she's
willing
to
incur
the
cost,
seems.
E
I
think
it's
really
important
for
us
to
I
mean
we
really
want
to
increase
our
tree
inventory,
so
I
am
close
to
even
really
consider
taking
out
trees
that
are
not
hazardous
at
this
time
and
really
encouraging
people
to
keep
it.
Even
if
you
put
a
nutrient
immediately
right
in
there,
it
takes
years
and
years
before,
it'll
have
the
benefits
of
of
the
tree
as
it
is
now
so.
I
A
Okay,
so
I
think
the
consensus
is
that
we
will
give
the
owner
the
permission
to
have
the
trees
pruned
professionally
good.
I've
got
another
one
on
elmwood,
this
69
elmwood
place
a
little
bit
further
down
elmwood
the
I
it
was
listed
as
an
elm
and
a
maple,
and
the
elm
has
lots
of
bark
falling
off
it
apparently,
and
the
owner
is
concerned
about
whether
it's
dying
or
not,
and
I
think
he's
asking
for
permission
to
trim
one
limb
off
the
of
the
maple.
C
So
I
spoke
to
the
owner,
and
this
this
person,
by
their
own
admission,
is
an
eight
type
personality
who
doesn't
like
falling
branches,
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
noted
is
that,
when
he
was
showing
me
that
bark
was
coming
off
was
that
he
was
actually
taking
pieces
off.
F
C
Has
me
slightly
concerned
because
the
tree
is
actually
quite
intact.
So
when
we're
talking
about
the
elm
tree,
I
did
not
see
that
it
had
any
significant
issues.
C
However,
I
would
suggest
that
we
go
back
and
we
do
look
at
it
when
it's
in
leaf,
because
what
he
was
saying
is
is
that
some
of
the
branches
are
showing
die
back
in
the
upper
story,
and
I
don't
know
if
that
could
have
been
due
to
cicadas
a
couple
years
ago,
but
I
I
realize
that
sometimes
you
have
to
take
into
account
the
personality
of
the
owner.
I
would
imagine-
and
this
is
definitely
an
owner
who
you
know-
cares-
certainly
but
definitely
wants
things
to
be
a
certain
way.
C
Now
they
are
not
interested
in
paying
for
the
pruning,
so
it
would
be
up
to
the
city
at
some
point
in
the
future
to
make
that
determination.
C
C
It
obviously
does
have
insect
damage,
as
well
as
potentially
mechanical
damage,
and
he
is
proposing
to
cut
that
limb
himself.
It's
approximately
four
inches
in
diameter.
When
he
spoke
to
me.
He
talked
about
the
two
cut
method.
You
know
removing
weight
on
the
first
cut,
then
you
know
going
towards
the
collar
and
the
second
cut.
He
did
seem
to
know
what
he
was
talking
about.
C
So
I
think
I
would
have
a
comfort
if
he
wanted
to
do
it.
It's
not
too
far
off
the
ground.
However,
as
david
said,
this
tree
is
absolutely
in
decline.
It
already
has
had
its
leader
cut
out.
I
don't
know
why,
but
that
has
caused
it.
The
tree,
some
stress.
F
Looks
like
an
old
topping
from
aep
or
whoever
was
in
there.
I
agree
with
roxanne
completely
the
elm
to
me
looked
fairly
healthy,
but
it
would
be
very
interesting
just
to
wait
until
it
leafs
out
and
see
what's
see,
what's
dead
up
there
if
anything,
but
I
think
the
bark
is
it's
so
mature
and
it's
so
old.
It's
just
getting
a
little
bit
shaggy!
It's
it's
a
very
nice
tree,
the
elm
okay.
D
I
have
a
question
to
ask
about
in
general
in
general:
what
is
our
position
on
on
approving
people
to
cut
down
their
own
to
do
their
own
trimming
like
that.
A
E
It
is
the
if
it's
a
city
tree
it
does
the
city
have
any
responsibility.
If
things
go
awry,
do
they
have
any?
Can
anybody
sue
them
because
it's
a
city
tree
and
we
gave
permission
for
it
to
be
done?
I.
D
D
A
Yeah,
okay,
so
roxanne
with
the
sound
of
it.
You
felt
that
he
could
probably
handle
the
the
pruning
himself.
Okay,.
C
A
Okay,
I
think
we've
dealt
with
all
those
title
33
issues
unless,
unless
there's
anything
else,
we'll
move
on
to
title
37,
which
is
the
landscape
ordinance
issues,
I
have
just
received
some
new
plans
for
this
area
and
I've
not
had
chance
to
look
at
it.
So
with
that
stated,
I
don't
know
which
person
is
going
to
lead
off
the
the
presentational
request
to
us.
G
My
name
is
mark
shiber,
I'm
a
landscape.
Architect
is
this.
Are
you
referring
in
reference
to
tyler
park
apartments
and
yes,.
G
I
am
here
as
a
representative
with
I
believe,
ann
little's
here
also
chuck
carvik
joe
bernie.
Unfortunately,
I'm
under
the
name,
john
white.
I
have
no
idea
why
the
record.
G
I
A
G
The
major
difference
of
it
is
is
that
there
was
a
a
shift
in
the
building
layout.
The
final
form
of
the
architectural
site
plan
had
not
been
articulated
on
the
plan.
G
What
it
did
is
it
had
very
minor
changes
in
relationship
to
the
number
of
tree
counts
that
were
on
site
as
opposed
to
being
purchased.
I
think
the
and
I'm
not
looking
directly
at
the
numbers,
but
I
think
tyler
was
pretty
close
to
the
same
basic
numbers,
whereas
kershaw,
I
think
we
ended
up
purchasing
about
five
more
so
that
the
the
differences
and
the
computations
all
the
computations
have
been
figured
and
shown
on
your
chart
there
for
the
shade
tree
requirements.
G
A
I
A
Let
me
try
and
share
that
one
and
I
may
have
to
increase
the
magnification
on
this,
because
let
me
try
that
okay,
so
can
people
see
this
drawing
on
my
screen
to
say
I
can.
I
can
boost
the
magnification
of
this
if
you,
because
you
probably
can't
if.
A
It
won't
all
fit
on
now.
But
let's
move
down
to
this
bottom
section
here
where
we've
got
the
the
buildings
concentrated.
I
C
When
we
have
the
bank
trees,
is
it
do
medium
trees
count
as
two
medium
trees
equals
one
large
tree.
A
Well,
the
the
the
banked
trees
unless
the
owner
of
the
property
is
going
to
be
planting.
These
for
the
city
would
be
large,
shade,
trees.
I
C
So
you
might
want
to
take
that
into
account
mark
that
will
help
decrease
the
number
of
trees
that
you
need
to
bank
and
the
two
types
of
trees
that
I
think
that
we
consider
medium
trees
are
the
sweet
bay
magnolia,
as
well
as
the
american,
hot
corn
bean.
C
G
C
There's
another
issue
that
I
think
I
did
not
understand
mark
yes,
when
we
when
we're
dealing
with
tyler
on
the
plat
map,
it
seems
to
say
4.65
acres
and
so,
when
I
figure
out
the
total
square
footage
from
that
easy
calculation,
it
does
not
equal
your
impermeable
plus
permeable.
You
are
off
by
quite
a
bit
in
your
number,
so
we
need
that
to
be
explained.
G
So
what
we
did
and
as
david
riggs
I
believe,
is
with
us,
and
can
you
hear
me
all
right,
david
and
correct
me
if
I've
misquoted
anything
here
that
we
figured
the
total
site,
we
then
figured
are
both
our
permeable
and
impermeable
outside
of
the
right-of-way,
and
so
then
the
right-of-way
is
the
balance
of
the
difference
of
that
figure.
That
you're
looking
for
that
makes
up
the
four
and
a
half
acres.
C
G
C
Oh,
I
was
just
going
to
say.
Another
thing
is:
is
that
I'd
like
for
you
to
maybe
talk
to
us
about
the
right
of
way?
Because
there
are
and
david
ingram
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
some
right-of-ways
have
to
still
be
included
in
the
calculation
and
some
do
not.
A
The
concern
I've
got
was
that
if
this
is
your
property,
then
my
expectation
is
that
you've
granted
or
somebody's
granted
an
easement
to
cross
your
property
for
a
street
or
whatever
purpose,
and
unless
that
easement
is
also
an
easement
for
the
city
to
plant
trees,
then
it
would
be
your
obligation
to
plant
trees
on
that
land.
But
I
could
be
wrong
on
that
one.
That's
a
david
riggs
question.
If
I.
B
Could
if
I
could
just
step
in
here
for
a
second
committee,
I've
asked
one
of
our
comments
to
the
to
the
whole
team.
Doing
this
project
was
for
them
to
dedicate
the
right-of-way
to
the
city
of
athens,
so
that
wouldn't
so
that'll
actually
they'll
actually
take
that
out.
B
So
when
they
resubmit
their
plans,
they'll
actually
give
us
a
plat
of
right-of-way.
Just
makes
it
more
clear
for
the
city
to
know
where
the
right-of-way
is
maintenance.
Right
now
it's
called
it's
considered
a
prescriptive
easement.
Yes,
so
they
they
actually
own
to
the
center
of
the
road,
but
they
can't
do
anything
with
it
except
pay
taxes
on
it.
So
we've
asked
them
to
to
dedicate
that
property
to
the
city
of
athens
as
public
right-of-way.
C
G
Roxanne,
if
I
may,
the
the
the
plan
which
you
just
got,
which
david
got
and
david
agreed,
was
questioning
that
newer
plan.
If
anybody
has
a
copy
of
it.
If
you
look
at
that,
the
property
square
footage
calculations
is
the
first
item
in
the
first
block,
and
you
will
note
that
total
property
square
footage
is
listed
yes
and
then
the
property
square
footage
within
the
right-of-way
is
actually
listed
there.
Okay,
property
square
footage
that
is
not
included
so,
okay,
so.
G
So
it's
now
there
in
answer
to
what
I
was
told
earlier
this
week,
so
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
had
that
there
for
you,
okay,.
C
G
F
G
So
the
reason
we
are
banking
trees
for
this
site
is
that
a
combination
of
the
standards
of
requirement
for
tree
sizes
and
their
distance
separation
starts
to
get
quite
a
bit
of
coverage
on
our
site.
And
there
are
areas
that
we
wanted
to
leave
as
open
fields
towards
the
back
of
the
sort
of
south.
G
G
So
we
tried
to
use
a
good
balance
between
what
made
sense
to
use
on
the
site
and
and
then
take
and
and
bank
the
others.
We
have
a
couple
spaces
that
are
open
along
the
parking
lot
edge,
which
are
for
the
ease
of
snow,
plowing
and
movement,
and
so
that
we
don't
end
up
with
over
salted
or
packed
trees
from
the
operational
issues
that
go.
G
The
parking
lot
but
other
than
that
we've
tried
to
put
them
in
there
pretty
thoroughly
within
the
standards.
So
the
balance
is
how
we
ended
up
banking
trees,
david.
F
Go
ahead,
I
have
a
question:
are
you
there
I
drove
by
there
the
other
day
I
didn't
get
out
and
walk
it,
but
there
are
a
number
of
existing
trees
in
the
creek
area.
The
woodland
and
the
creek
area
is
any
of
that
on
your
property,
because
you
can
count
existing
trees
that
you're
going
to
leave
every
30
feet.
G
Be
an
added
benefit
to
what
is
added
there,
which,
in
truth,
would
be
able
to
reduce
the
bank
banking
amount
of
trees.
Would
that
be
something
that
as
the
site
is
being
completed,
and
that
banking
number
is
being
reviewed,
that
it
might
impact
their
ability
to
lessen
the
the
banking,
or
is
that
a
pre-conceived
notion
at
this
point
in
time?.
D
D
One
of
the
things
we
probably
one
of
the
things,
probably
we
should
mention
is
that
there
are
things
you
can
do
to
protect
the
trees
that
you're
going
to
try
and
save
them.
A
C
A
Well,
the
the
only
post
review
after
we've
approved
the
plan
is
that
when
we
go
to
the
site
and
look
at
it
and
try
and
count
the
trees
to
make
sure,
we've
got
all
the
trees.
That
should
be
there
and
usually
it's
the
other
way
around
the
great
there
aren't
either
the
wrong
trees
have
been
planted
or
that
the
the
the
trees
have
not
been
planted.
So
it
would
be
unusual
for
us
to
to
do
that.
I
don't
we
haven't
done
that
before.
C
I
have
a
question
for
david
ranks
right
now.
The
city
is
updating
its
policy
for
tree
banking
and
codifying
it,
and-
and
please
correct
me
if
I
say
anything
wrong
here:
okay,
so
basically,
what
we're
saying
is
that
each
tree
banked
is
225
dollars.
E
B
E
B
Chris
fall
is
working
on
some
revisions
to
the
title
33
and
title
oh
37.
I
think
for
the
landscaping
codified
ordinance,
and
I
think
that
was
her
recommendation
for
for
the
number
for
the
amount
for
the
trees
to
be
replaced.
I
think
that
would
be
the
cost
of
the
tree
plus
the
cost
to
install
the
tree.
B
C
B
I
think
the
short
answer
roxanne
is
no.
I
don't
think
that
that
codified
ordinance
will
be
modified
by
the
time.
This
committee
needs
to
make
a
decision.
I
know
that
there
is
something
that's
fairly
big
in
the
existing
codified
ordinance.
That
says
that
there
may
be,
I
don't
even
know
they
call
it
tree
banking
or
not.
B
There
may
be
some
provision
to
set
aside
money
to
in
lieu
of
planting
trees,
and
that
would
be
up
to
the
shadri
commission
to
decide
how
that
would
work
and
it's,
but
it's
not
been
codified
it
in
my
head.
It
hasn't
been
codified
yet
with
any
detail,
and
the
other
thing
we
have
to
be
careful
of
is
that
once
we
once
the
city
obtains
that
those
funds,
we
have
to
put
that
in
a
special
account
and
we'd
have
to
talk
to
the
city
auditor
about
where
that
money
should
go.
D
Right
but
well,
I
don't
think
we
should
rely
on
that
for
this
plan
because
he
needs
to
know
now
I
mean
he
has
the
right
to
know
not
what's
going
to
happen
in
the
future
right.
H
Would
it
be?
I
appreciate
that
discussion
and
I
I
think
for
hypothetical
or
the
future.
We
should
definitely
make
that
price
higher,
because
we
want
to
discourage
tree
banking.
We
want
to
encourage
developers
to
put
as
many
trees
on
their
site
as
as
me,
you
know
to
obviously
meet
their
needs,
but
but
because
of
our
city
goals,
225
dollars
is
that's
boy.
You
could
almost
bet,
no
wonder
they
want
to
bank
it
because
it's
cheaper
than
actually
planting
one,
but
not
right.
H
You
know,
hypothetically,
but
what
about
for
a
question
for
for
the
folks
doing
this?
There's
no
trees
along
the
pond,
and
I'm
wondering-
and
I
know
views
are
important-
I'm
wondering
if
you
know
something
aesthetically
could
be
done
to
frame
the
views
and
to
of
course
address
you
know:
storm
water
and
and
maybe
habitat
for
aquatic
wildlife.
You
know
some
of
the
the
birds
and
the
bees
and
other
little
things
that
apartment
dwellers
might
enjoy
watching
this.
K
C
H
G
G
H
A
Well,
and
you
can,
if
you
can
get
me
off
the
parking
lot,
the
the
parking
spaces
are
nine
feet
wide.
G
In
there
we
could
scrunch
a
few
in
there.
Yes,
we
could.
Is
there
any
reason,
tom
that
we
couldn't
add
a
couple
in
the
maybe
the
the
sort
of
south
west
corner
and.
K
If
your
plan
wants
to
include
those,
I
don't
see
an
issue
chuck
garvick's
on
our
engineer,
chuck
chuck
there.
Any
utility
concerns
right
there
or
trees.
Okay,.
K
G
Well,
we
had
we
had
them
a
little
bit
in
the
beginning,
building
moved
around
a
bit,
so
we
tried
to
accommodate
in
certain
areas,
but
we
were
also
getting
tight
in
some
of
our
movement
up
against
that
building.
So
we
stayed
back,
but
I
think
we
can
pinch
that
a
little
bit
more
in
there
and
add
enough
of
several
more
trees
in
through
there.
So.
I
C
Think
I'll
summarize
for
the
committee
and
the
committee
can
tell
me
where
I'm
getting
it
wrong
is-
is
that
right
now
we're
codifying
the
cost
of
bank
trees
that
will
not
be
in
place
while
when
we
approve
this
plan,
however,
the
committee
does
have
the
philosophy
that
fewer
bank
trees
is
better,
and
I
think
you
can
hear
that.
So
if
we
feel
that
you
know
you're
making
a
good
faith
effort,
you
know,
then
that's
what
negotiation
is
going
to
be.
I
J
How
about
now
that
better,
not
much?
Okay,
my
only
concern
with
the
additional
trees
there
at
that
location
along
the
pond.
Is
I'm
never
a
big
fan
of
of
planting
trees
in
a
pond
embankment,
especially
when
the
pond
is
a
quote-unquote
wet
pond
when
it
permanently
holds
water
roots
over
time,
roots
will
deteriorate
pond
embankments
and
it
is
a
practice
that
we
typically
discourage
but
mark
there
may
be.
G
E
No,
I
have
a
question
for
ann
and
I
I
thought
that
trees
on
in
on
a
bank
would
actually
hold
the
soil,
and
so
I'm
a
little
confused
about
the
idea
that
it
would
have
a
tree.
There
would
be
a
negative
for
the
bank.
H
H
G
That's
part
of
the
problem
in
that
I
think
you've
dealt
with
it
right
right
there
and
it's
all
fresh,
and
so
this
root
system
and
and
the
trees
being
along
an
embankment.
There
are
probably.
E
G
A
Yeah,
the
the
just
to
clarify
where
we
are
with
the
with
the
tree
banking,
the
particular
part
of
title
37,
3701
03
part.
If
the
specific
application
of
the
landscape
requirements
will
seriously
limit
the
functions
of
the
site.
The
tree
commission
shall
have
authority
to
permit
consolidation
and
or
relocation
of
these
landscape
requirements
elsewhere
within
this
within
the
site
or
to
a
public
park
or
right
of
way
within
the
city
and
we've
interpreted
that
that.
A
But
this
is
partly
why
chris
falls
trying
to
get
this
codified.
A
So
we
have
at
the
moment
the
as
I
say,
the
the
choice
and
I
think
menards
are
going
to
go
with
this
idea
that
they
will
buy
the
trees
and
plant
them
themselves
rather
than
pay.
The
city
to
do
it,
so
that's
the
state
of
play
on
that
and
to
get
permission
to
as
we
just
generally
call
it
bank
trees
or
or
operate.
This
particular
part
of
title
37.
A
The
tree
commission
policy
is
that
we
would
need
two-thirds
of
the
tree
commission
members
present
in
the
meeting
to
approve
this
action,
because
the
action
will
cause
the
city
to
finish
up,
owning
these
trees
and
having
to
maintain
them,
and
so
this
is
reducing
the
obligation
on
the
owner
to
maintain
the
trees
that
should
have
been
planted
on
their
property.
So
that's
why
we
have
a
somewhat
higher
barrier
for
the
approval
of
that
part
of
any
plan
that
requires,
as
I
say,
banking
of
trees.
F
A
Okay,
what
do
we
feel
about
waiting
until
later,
so
we've
had
time
to
have
a
look
at
these
plans
and
make
sure
we
understand
them
before
we
give
any
sort
of
approval
and
I'd
like
to
get
some
idea
from
the
other
tree
commissioners
where
they
are?
As
I
say,
I
only
saw
these
plans
this
evening,
I'm
not
sure,
even
if
they
were
sent
to
any
other
of
the
tree
commissioners,
they
may
have
only
been
sent
to
me
david
riggs.
I
think
you
were
the
one
who
sent
it
out.
A
Would
I
would
like,
then,
to
forward
these
have
a
chance
to
forward
these
on
to
the
other
tree
commissioners
before
we
make
a
decision
now
in
terms
of
timelines?
Where
are
we
in
the
process?
If
I
mean,
can
we
afford
to
delay
this
decision
until
our
next
meeting,
which
would
be
april
the
8th
or
will
we
have
to
have
a
an
interim
meeting
somewhere
again,
I'm
putting
this
to
david
riggs.
Give
me
some
ideas.
B
So
the
next,
I
think
this
this
plan
will
go
back
to
the
planning
commission
on
april.
The
first
and
they'll
need
to
make
a
determination
at
that
time.
I
know.
Historically,
if
the
shade
tree
hasn't
come
up
with
or
hasn't
made,
a
determination
hasn't
had
time
to
look
at
everything.
They
will
approve
the
plans
contingent
upon
additional
comments
from
the
shade
tree
commission.
B
I
don't
know
how
the
committee
feels
about
that,
but
I
think
the
unless
there
are
some
significant
issues
that
the
that
the
the
april
first
meeting
with
planning
commission,
they
sh
they're,
obligated
to
make
a
determination
one
way
or
another
on
this
title
41..
So
they.
A
B
A
Which
which
committee
you're
referring
to
the
planning
commission
or
the
or
us?
Yes,
okay,
okay,
okay!
Well,
if
you,
if
you
can,
I
mean,
if
necessary,
we
we,
we
could
have
an
additional
meeting.
I
think
that
that
would
be
possible,
but
I
don't
feel
comfortable
approving
plans
tonight
in
the
light
of
the
fact,
I've
only
just
had
these
in
my
hands
and
I
and
the
other
commissioners
haven't
seen
them
yet
other
than
what
we
can
see
on
my
screen.
E
A
E
And
there
is
a
large
central
portion
of
that
with
no
trees.
There
are
trees
at
what
must
be
the
north
end
and
south
end
and
over
on
the
west.
But
and
since
when
the
ordinance
was
written,
I
thought
my
understanding
was
that
we
wanted
shade
over
a
parking
area.
So
we
wanted
that
to
shade
to
be
cooling
and
and
but
I
feel
like
we're
getting
away
from
that
if
by
not
having
more
trees
in
the
parking
lot.
G
We've
packed
in
what
all
we
can
within
the
islands
that
are
available,
it's
probably
more
of
a
an
issue
which
maybe
chuck
should
address
a
little
bit
relative
to
the
parking
and
the
the
requirements
that
he's
got
relative
to
the
site
and
parking
and
its
relationship
to
the
unit
chuck.
Would
you
care
to
address
that
a
bit.
J
E
Yeah
yeah,
but
I
sort
of
feel
like
the
parking
spaces
have
been
determined
by
one
and
yet
and
that,
though
they
take
precedent
over
the
trees
when,
when
the,
when
the
plans
were
made,
I
don't
understand
why
there
couldn't
be
that
couldn't
be
accommodated.
I
mean
if
you
know
that
there
need
to
be
more
tree
islands,
then
that
should
be
put
in.
E
H
As
long
as
we're
talking
about
this-
and
I
I
get
what
mark
explained
earlier
about
the
snow
plows
and
the
maintenance
iron
some
of
our
early
developments,
you
know
that
we're
complying
with
the
ordinance
that
has
evolved
over
time
and
changed.
But
when
there
were
trees
on
the
edges
and
again
I
don't
chuck-
I
don't
want
to
you
know
I
because
you
probably
have
reasons
for
doing
this,
but
the
trees
on
the
edges
tended
to
get
hit
and
the
curbing
got
damaged
because
moving
vans
and
bigger
vehicles-
and
you
know
even
with
apartments.
H
You
know
I
moved
my
kids
out,
bring
my
truck
and
horse
trailer
and
can't
make
you
turn.
You
know,
and
you
clip
the
side
of
a
tree.
I
so
I'm
I
you
know,
I
don't
know
how
you
would
do
it,
but
that's
where
I
think
mark
comes
in
to
design
you
know,
maybe
make
them.
H
You
know
perpendicular
to
the
to
the
cars.
You
know
longer
islands,
you
actually
save
on
concrete.
That
way
you
actually
get
a
little
more
soil
volume.
H
You
see
it
a
lot
in
some
of
the
bigger
cities,
but
I
it's
just
something
to
think
about,
and
I
I
I'm
sure
there's
a
reason
why
you
guys
have
this.
I
just
wanted
to
share
that.
E
You
know,
and
if
the
tree
islands
are
not
at
the
end,
I
can
see
there's
a
certain
symmetry
there.
But
if
the
tree
islands
are
moved
in
on
either
end,
then
you're
actually
going
to
get
more
shading
more
cars
will
be
shaded,
because
I
mean
it's
nice
to
have
the
the
the
street
or
where
the
cars
are
are
going
shaded.
But
people
really
like
to
park
under
under
the
shade
in
the
summer.
So
by
moving
those
islands
in
you
get
more
shaded
spots.
J
I
mean
so
so.
The
other
outer
loop
of
the
parking
was
established
basically
for
emergency
vehicle
radius
points
to
make
the
loop
also
it
in
practice.
With
with
these
type
of
developments,
we
put
usually
put
the
island,
the
curb
islands
at
the
ends
to
number
one
to
direct
traffic.
So
we
don't
have
people
cutting
through
our
parking
areas
and
also
it
also
protects
that
that
green
space.
J
So
if
we
were
to,
for
instance,
if
we
were
to
pick
up
those
islands
and
move
them
in,
we
would
have
to
replace
those
islands
with
parking
stalls
to
still
meet
the
zoning
code
and
then
that
that
car
at
the
at
the
car
at
the
end
of
the
parking
run,
is
now
vulnerable
to
emergency
vehicle,
making
that
turn
or
garbage
truck
making.
That
turn.
J
E
You
mean
so
places
like
krogers,
where
there
are
no
trees
and
those
parking
spaces
at
the
end.
So
were
those
requirements
changed
after
places
like
the
kroger's
parking
lot
was
built
well.
J
Kroger's
parking
lot
typically
has
a
has
emergency
fire
lane
in
front
of
the
building
for
direct
pull-up
for
the
emergency
crews,
to
have
assistance.
E
J
A
Yeah,
I
guess
lee's
question
get
gets
to
one
of
my
concerns
as
well
as
food,
and
it
sort
of
addresses
this
point
about
the
you
know
having
to
bank,
because
we
said
we
will
seriously
limit
the
functions
of
the
site
if
we
require
the
trees
to
be
there.
It
comes
back
to
a
planning
piece
that
by
essentially
dedicating
more
of
this
area
of
this
site
to
the
parking
lot.
A
A
I
mean
that
that
that's
clearly
there,
but
if
this
parking
lot
was
bigger,
then
it
could
have
accommodated
more
tree
islands
and
I'm
not
asking
you
to
redraw
it
now,
but
I'm
getting
to
lee
greg's
point,
but
these
constraints
are
known
right
at
the
beginning
and
therefore
it's
a
little
bit
disappointing
that
people
can't
plan
to
be
able
to
accommodate
the
trees
better
than
we
actually
do.
H
Well,
and
it
does,
it
does
relegate
that
those
trees
on
the
end
are
never
going
to
do
what
they're
we
really
want
to
need
them
to
do,
they're
going
to
be
by
the
garbage
trucks
and
the
parents
with
their
trailers.
You
know
moving
the
kids
in
and
out
and
stuff
it's
I
mean
it's
just
stuff.
I
guess
a
function
of
well.
A
As
I
say,
I,
I
don't
have
any
problems
with
those
those
those
trees
at
the
the
two
ends
of
that
central
piece.
I
would
just
like
to
see
more
tree
islands
within
the
parking
lot
and,
as
I
say,
I
can
understand
the
constraint.
That's
now
that
they're
now
faced
with
in
in
terms
of
the
design
but
going
back
to
lee's
point,
but
if
you
start
out
with
a
plan
that
it
does
allow
for
trees
to
be
planted
within
a
parking
lot.
A
Yes,
you've
got
a
physically
larger
area
now
being
occupied
by
your
parking
lot
on
the
site,
and
maybe
that
poses
other
questions,
but
it's
just
a
whole
design
aspect
that
seems
to
be
missed
when
people
are
designing
these
parking
lots
because,
as
lee
said,
the
people
like
to
park
under
un
under
trees,
they,
like
the
shade
that
these
these
these
trees
provide,
but
the
designers
of
these
buildings
and
parking
lots
don't
seem
to
want
to
accommodate
that
in
the
in
within
the
design
itself.
D
But
certainly
that
it
saves
the
asphalt
and
it
shades
the
buildings
or
I
can
help
shade
the
buildings
I
mean
there
are
lots
of,
but
it
tells
it
helps
with
the
drainage.
D
It's
a
lot
of
things
that
that
the
trees
do
and
and
being
part
of
the
of
the
parking
area
is
a
positive
in
many
ways.
A
Yeah,
okay,
so
we'll
we'll
I
I
will
circulate
copies
of
these
plans
for
you,
you
need
to
be
paying
attention
to
the
number
of
trees
and
so
on.
It
looks
like
the
concern
that
roxanne
and
I
both
identified
with
the
area,
has
now
been
addressed
within
the
the
information
on
the
landscape
plan
itself,
which
is
good.
We
need
to
go
through
and
count
up
all
the
trees
and
make
sure
that
the
the
numbers
make
sense,
because
that's
part
of
our
job
is
to
validate
what
we're
being
given.
A
Is
there
anything
further
on
this
particular
plan?
The
tyler
park
plan
that
people
have
got
questions
about
because
we
still
have
the
kershaw
one
to
have
a
look
at.
I
Let's
let
me
see
where
are
we
should
be
here
because
you're
green?
Yes,
there,
we
are
right
so.
A
Again,
I
can
see
in
the
legend
down
here
that
the
whoops,
that
that
was
a
big
change-
I
didn't
mean
to
do
that,
much
of
a
change.
Let
me
try,
and
maybe
it's
not
gonna.
Let
me
do
it.
No,
it's
not
gonna
do
one
on
the
other.
A
A
Is
obviously
a
similar
design
property
as
well?
You
can
see
the
the
the
building
structures
and
the
parking
lots.
Look
look
very
similar.
Are
there
any
comments
you
want
to
make
mark
about
this
plan
that.
L
G
Unfortunately,
the
open
area,
and
maybe
wanting
to
plant
them
on
some
banks,
is,
is
not
available
to
us.
Once
again,
we
have
a
large
storm
water
retention,
detention
basin
area
yeah
so
that
we've
gotten
and
gotten
right
within
the
edge
lines
of
that
to
add
to
our
tree
count,
but
really.
G
And
on
the
we're
open
on
the
south
side,
because
we
don't,
we
have
a
drainage
line
going
through
there
and
we
have
minimal
distance
to
the
property
line
somewhat.
The
similar
thing
that
we're
dealing
with
on
the
opposite
side
of
the
pond.
I
A
Okay,
I,
what
are
the
constraints
over
the
storm
water
detention
areas,
because
there
are
trees
that
you
can
certainly
plant
into
those
areas
that
will
tolerate
the
flooding
for
a
few
days
may
even
help
with
the
absorption
of
water
in
those
in
those
areas.
Are
there
some
particular
civil
engineering
issues
that
that
require
trees
not
to
be
planted
in.
J
So
my
comment
earlier
about
not
planting
trees
on
embankments
was
referring
specifically
to
embankments
of
ponds
that
hold
water.
I
agree
and
I
apologize
I
forget
who
was
it
but
mentioned
it,
but
I
agree
with
her
that
trees
are
the
a
great
way
to
stabilize
steep
slopes.
J
But
when
you
add
water
pressure
behind
that
slope,
tree
and
tree
roots
within
that
embankment
is
a
bad
combination.
L
J
I
G
Okay,
we've
worked
our
way
partially
down
into
the
edge
of
it,
but
not
far.
There's
a
lot
of
grading
in
that
area
in
that
pond.
So
there's
quite
a
bit
of
slope
issues
there.
So
we've
sort
of
tried
to
stabilize
the
upper
areas
and
the
ridgeline
yeah.
A
Is
what
we
kind
of
focused
on
so
those
if
I'm
reading
this
right?
Those
are
one
foot
contour
lines
on
the
around
the
detention
area:
correct,
okay,.
H
G
It
is,
and
I
we
talked
to
david
and
we
there
are
a
few
of
those
areas
that
don't
meet
exactly
that,
and
you
know
they're
not
as
all
in
that
perfect
form.
I
think
that's
way
too
perfect,
but
it
was
part
of
your
guidelines
in
order
to
ensure
that
you
get
good
coverage,
and
I
understand
that,
but
as
as
a
whole,
we've
followed
that
as
the
underlying
guideline
for
the
planting
of
those
trees.
So
that's
why
you
see
that
distribution.
A
One
way
you
can
reduce
your
banking
requirements
is
to
ask
us
to
relax
that
30-foot
constraint,
because
we
are
certainly
willing
to
do
that.
So,
if
you
wanted
to
plant
more
trees
and
if
that
would
cause
them
say
to
be
planted,
20
feet
apart
rather
than
30
feet
apart.
That's
certainly
something
that
that
we
would
consider
as
a
as
a
possibility.
H
Sorry
to
interrupt
david,
I
mean
plan
to
score.
You
know,
15,
even
I
mean
I've
seen
12
foot
centers.
You
know
it's
easier
to
maintain
too.
You
know
you
get
more
coverage
quicker,
so
you
have
less
grass
competition
and
you
know
easier
to
maintain
and
the
trees
do
tend
to
do
better
over
time.
You
know
you
have
great
species
selection.
I
love
that.
It's
just.
I
thought.
G
A
Okay,
well,
if
you'd
be
willing
to
do
that,
I
think
that
would
certainly
ease
my
my
concerns
about
banking
trees.
On
this,
as
I
say,
this
is
this
is
one
area
where,
where
we
can
give
you
permission
to
to
vary
away
from
the
requirement,
the
other
one-
and
I
don't
know
whether
this
is
relevant
or
not-
and
this
is
a
david
riggs
question,
but
in
the
past
we
have
allowed
people
to
meet
the
requirements
by
planting
trees
in
the
right
of
way
that's
adjacent
to
to
their
property.
B
Yeah,
mr
ingram,
I
would
go
back
to
that
same
general,
title
370103,
where
the
commission
can
or
does
have
the
authority
to
allow
right-of-way
trees
planted
in
the
city
limits.
So
you
do
have
that
ability.
If
you
want
to
do
that,
it
would
be
entirely
up
to
the
committee.
G
B
Yeah,
I
think,
there's
some
new
utilities
that
are
going
in
there
there's
a
high
volume
gas
line.
I
think
that's
getting
ready
to
go
in
there
too.
So
we'd
have
to
be
careful
about
timing.
You
don't
want
to
plant
a
bunch
of
trees
just
to
have
them
removed
out
of
the
right-of-way
right
with
a
utility
coming
through
yeah.
A
It's
the
the
particular
requirement
it
comes
under
residential
landscaping.
370-108,
it
says.
Trees
for
this
requirement
may
also
be
used
to
meet.
A
This
requirement
may
be
placed
in
the
right
of
way
with
the
consent
of
the
of
the
tree
commission,
so
that
that
is
an
another
possible
location
if
you've
got
an
adjacent
right
of
way,
and
you
want
to
put-
and
you
want
to
meet
your
requirement
by
putting
trees
in
that
right
of
way,
then
obviously
utilities
and
all
the
other
bits
and
pieces
you
have
to
consider
with
this,
but
that
is
another
way
to
get
more
trees
on
the
site
itself
rather
than
or
adjacent
to
the
site
rather
than
having
to
bank
trees.
C
David
just
as
a
point
of
clarification,
so
we
hopefully
can
expedite
this
process,
so
they
don't
have
to
come
back
to
us.
Multiple
times
is,
if
I'm
hearing
you
correctly,
the
shade
tree
commission
is
willing
to
say
that
if
it
is
deemed
prudent
that
they
can
plant
in
the
right
of
way,
we
are
giving
them
permission.
I
C
Okay,
david
and
just
another
point
of
clarification,
so
the
answer
is
yes
at
their
discretion,
we
are
giving
them
permission.
C
A
We
we've
allowed
20
feet
in
the
past
that
I
remember,
and
I
think
would
allow
us
to
plant
them
even
closer
than
that
and
she
is
I'm
a
scruncher.
H
C
C
A
G
Thank
you
and-
and
I
appreciate
the
open
hook
there
and
dealing
with
the
right-of-way
we've
put
quite
a
few
trees,
at
least
as
best
we
could
based
on
spacing
requirements,
building
and
so
forth,
and
the
right-of-way
and
setback
requirements.
So
if
you
look
at
that
that
frontage
all
along
south
plains
road
there
for
yeah
for
kershaw
here,
especially
you
can
see,
we've
got
it
reasonably
filled
in
to
other
than
within
that
immediate
right-of-way
space.
But
if
you
look
in
there
right
in
the
middle
of
that
right-of-way
space
that
are
the.
G
A
A
But
if,
if
there
are
ways
in
which
we
can
preserve
trees,
we're
always
interested
in
in
trying
to
do
that,
because
they
they're
going
to
give
shade
for
much
quicker
and
than
anything
that
you
planned.
G
Historically,
we
try
to
look,
and
we
did
have
a
pretty
thorough
discussion
regarding
trying
to
do
that.
We
just
we're
running
too
many
risks
of
the
just,
because
there's
so
much
grading
that
goes
on
to
be
able
to
really
feel
that
we
comfortably
could
guarantee
good
surviving
trees
yeah.
So
that
was
was
part
of
the
problem.
It's
not.
There
probably
will
be
some,
but
it
was
just
not
knowing
where
they
you
know
what
might
or
might
not
survive
in
there.
G
So
the
the
discussion
was
there
and
if
we
can
we'll
we'll
talk
about
it
again,
if
we
can
obviously
I'd
like
to
have
them.
If,
if
if
there
are,
let's
say
36-inch
trees,
there
might
be
a
couple
of
them
down
in
there
if
those
are
saved.
Is
there
a?
Is
this
a
one
for
one
tree
exchange,
or
do
you
end
up
that
you
end
up
with
three
trees,
for
you
know,
represents
three
large
trees
if
you're
saving
a
36
or
42
inch.
G
E
But
they
need
to
be
trees
that
aren't
going
to
be
damaged
by
construction.
You
know
I
mean,
if
they're
away
from
heavy
equipment.
You
know
because
once
once
the
compacting
happens,
then
we
don't
know
how
long
we'll
survive.
E
I
understand
yeah
so
that
that's
why
I
really
like
your
approach
of
not
making
any
assumption
about
how
many
trees
are
going
to
be
left
there
after
it
all
was
said
and
done.
Thank
you.
G
Joe
or
ann
or
tom
or
chuck
any
concerns
or
comments
that
you
have
that
haven't
been
dealt
with
properly
there
or
that
you
think
need
to
be
mentioned.
K
I
have
one
comment:
this
is
tom
again
and
just
so
the
commission
knows
absolutely.
We
want
to
save
every
tree
that
we
can
and
not
just
to
get
credit
in
the
bank.
You
know
we
didn't
want
to
over
over
promise
and
under
deliver.
That's
why
you
know
we're
very
careful
with
that
calculation.
K
We're
not
going
to
nickel
and
dime
on
trees
that
we
save.
We
want
to
save
the
trees,
one
they're
expensive,
not
not
banking
them,
but
bigger,
mature
trees
there
towards
the
creek
bank.
Are
we
want
to
keep
as
many
as
those
those
trees
as
we
possibly
can?
So
I
just
want
you
to
know.
We
feel
the
same
way
as
you
do
we're
going
to
do
everything
we
can
to
save
as
many
trees
as
possible.
H
Thanks,
that's
awesome.
I
we
we
do
all
want
to
save
them.
It
is
a
challenge
and
I'm
assuming
you
guys,
probably
have
access
to
the
latest
bmps
and
the
you
know
the
three
protection
resources
that
are
out
there.
But
if
you
don't
all
you
got
to
do
is
get
me.
Your
email
address
and
there's
just
some
wonderful
resources,
they're,
easy
low-tech
ways
that
you
can
work
around
valuable
trees
and
you
know
if,
if,
if
you
want
those,
let
me
know.
A
Thanks
ann:
is
there
anything
else
on
these
two
properties?
I
guess
one
question
I've
got
for
mark
is
how
quickly
do
you
think
you
could
do
the
some
of
the
revisions
that
we've
just
been
talking
about.
G
A
I
think
so
because
if
if
we
get
back,
if
we
hear
back
from
the
planning
commission
that
they
want
us
to
make
our
decision
before
they
meet,
which
I
think
david
said
was
the
first
of
april,
then
we'd
have
a
window
in
which
we
could
hold
a
special
meeting
just
for
this
project,
okay,
and
so
that
that
will
work.
Yes,
yep
good.
G
A
G
And
ann
and
and
and
joe
I
want
to
make
sure
you
take
a
review
of
that
as
we
go
through
that.
Obviously,
so
we
can
get
that
down
there
too.
Then.
A
And
if
you've
got,
questions
in
the
meantime
feel
free
to
just
contact
me
and
I'll
try
and
clarify
things
and
I'll
make
sure
I
copy
any
of
that
to
david
riggs
in
the
process.
C
A
C
Address
a
question
yeah
regarding
all
this,
which
really
it
bothers
me
quite
a
bit
without
a
policy
in
place
for
banking.
A
E
A
Okay,
I'm
gonna
share
this
document.
If
I
can
figure
it
out
yeah
it's
this.
C
A
It
would
help
if
the
council
people
involved
would
actually
consult
with
us
and
with
the
representative
of
council
through
on
this
on
this
committee
anyway,
the
the
the
at
the
top
there.
You
said
that
this
is
a
policy
that
was
adopted
by
the
by
the
tree
commission
to
in
order
to
try
and
implement
this
thing,
and
it
could.
It
quotes
there,
the
particular
section
of
the
code
in
a
and
then
the
procedure
is
that
two-thirds
of
the
members
eligible
to
vote.
A
So
the
reason
for
stating
it
that
way
is
that
we
have
five
full-time
members
and
two
alternates
and
so
depending
on
who
is
present
and
so
on,
because
quite
often
the
ultimates
are
present.
A
If
there
were
five
full-time
members
present,
the
alternates
wouldn't
be
eligible
to
vote,
so
it
would
be
two-thirds
of
that
five
would
have
to
vote
in
favor
of
this
and
the,
and
it
does
talk
about
including
the
possibility
of
allowing
trees
to
be
planted
closer
together
or
closer
closer
to
buildings
that
is
given
in
title
37.
C
My
real
question
david:
unless
you
want
to
go
through
everything
for
everybody,
is
it
says
the
owner
will
pay
to
the
city
a
fee
for
each
large
tree.
I
A
Exactly
we,
we
have
no
power
to
set
that
fee.
A
A
B
Yeah,
so
we've
we've.
Actually,
the
city
has
actually
not
done
as
far
as
I
know,
tree
bank,
where
we,
where
we
have
accepted
money
from
a
developer
in
lieu
of
installing
or
planting
trees
on
the
site,
menards,
had
an
odd
agreement
where
they
agreed
to
give
the
city
a
certain
number
of
trees.
B
But
there
wasn't
a
dollar
amount
associated
with
that,
and
that
was
that
was
an
agreement
I
think
between
the
city
and
menards.
I
don't
know
that
the
david,
the
shade
tree
wasn't
involved
in
the
network.
Were
they
do
you?
Do
you
remember
that?
B
So
so
the
roxanne,
so
we've
nev
we've
not
done
that
in
any
at
any
for
any
project
that
I
know
of
I
I
believe
that
the
information
that
david
ingram
has
here
you
could
do
that,
but
I
don't
know
whether
you
would
come
up
with
a
value
per
tree,
a
cost
per
tree
or
if
that
would
come
through
the
from
the
from
the
from
a
city
recommendation.
I.
C
Well,
it
would
seem
to
me
david,
and
I
might
be
wrong
if
we
go
with
225,
which
is
what
council
is
suggesting
to
put
in
the
policy,
then
that
is
appropriate,
but
the
problem
is
is
that
the
policy
will
not
be
in
place.
That's
correct
prior.
So,
therefore,
I
would
suggest
that
we
need
to
have
additional
language
as
part
of
the
contract
with
this
company,
that
that
is
the
cost.
L
B
For
example-
maybe
I
didn't
mean
this
to
step
on
your
day,
but
I
would
maybe
recommend
that
you,
you
have
some
kind
of
an
agreement
letter
and
it
could
be
between
the
the
developer
and
the
shatri
commission
of
the
developer
in
the
city
that
that
there
is
an
agreement,
a
written
agreement
that
that
gets
signed
by
the
mayor
and
or
the
shake
tree
commission
and
the
developer.
I
think
that
would
be
the
cleanest
way
to
do
this.
Mr
ingram,
I
didn't
know
what
you
thought
about
that.
Does
that
sound
like.
A
I'm
fine
with
it
anything
that
we
we
can
come
up
with
that's
an
official
instrument
I
am
in
favor
of
because
I
it
was.
It
was
one
of
my
goals
when
you
can
see
that
this
was
done
in
2012,
so
this
has
been
hanging
around
for
almost
10
10
years
that
we've
been
trying
to
get
the
the
city
to
come
up
with
procedures
and
I
think
you've
just
given
us
a
possible
procedure
that
we
can
follow.
Certainly
in
the
meantime,
but
eventually,
hopefully
we
will
get
the
city
code
changed.
A
A
C
B
Have
a
little
bit
of
money
in
the
general
fund
for
reimbursements.
This
is
this
has
to
do
with
accounting
and
the
city
auditor.
It's
really
hard
to
take
in
money
and
then
give
it
back
out.
It's
just
a
procedure
that
I
found
david.
C
Know
whatever
it
is,
but
recently
I
have
been
talking
with
the
mayor
and
the
mayor
has
big
plans
for
trees
and
he's
aware
of
menards
the
300
trees,
and
what
we
have
found
is
that
menards
is
responsible
for
supplying
two
inch
trees.
They
do
not
pay
for
them.
They
do
not
maintain
them,
they
do
not
cage
them,
and
it
is
not
clear
at
this
point
whether
the
city
has
the
resources
or
the
funds
to
plant
trees.
C
So
being
the
blunt
person
that
I
am
I
went
to
steve,
I
hear
you
you've,
given
us
three
areas
of
priority
for
plantings,
and
I
can
discuss
that
in
a
minute,
but
now
you're
telling
me
that
you
might
not
be
able
to
pay
for
them
or
maintain
them
and
I'm
like
don't,
spend
our
wheels.
We're
not
gonna
come
up
with
plans
if
you
can't
pay
for
them,
and
so
there's
got
to
be
a
mechanism
by
which
this
city
has
funds
to
plant
trees.
C
And
maintain
them
yes
and
so
david.
What
I'd
like
to
do
when
we
get
into
new
business
is
to
talk
about.
You
know
the
mayor's
vision
for
the
three
areas
so
tree
commission
can
hear
it,
but
one
of
the
questions-
I
don't
know
if
it's
you
or
probably
andrew,
but
somebody's
got
to
decide
to
even
have
any
resources
to
even
consider
any
of
these
plantings.
C
I
hope
I'm
not
being
unfair,
but
I
just
want
us
to
feel
like
if
we
come
up
with
a
plan
that
we
have
the
resources
to
follow
through
on
them.
E
A
Let's
finish
up
first,
the.
Let
me
stop
sharing
this
thing.
Let
me
get
back
to
the
agenda.
We've
got
well.
We
could
actually
deal
with
this
under
the
next
item,
because
the
next
item
on
the
agenda
is,
I
can
put
the
agenda
back
up,
is
plans
maintenance
and
tree
canopy,
okay,
and
so
we
could.
A
We
can
discuss
that
what
you're
talking
about
under
this
and
by
the
sound
of
it
we're
getting
into
a
chick
in
an
egg
situation
that
we
don't
have
any
definite
plans
at
the
moment.
The
I
answered
some
questions
at
the
last
meeting
as
to
how
many
trees
you
want
to
plant-
and
I
said
20
more
than
we
can
we
remove.
A
C
Okay,
so
specifically,
each
of
us
was
tasked
to
go
through
our
neighborhoods
and
come
up
with
plans
and
anne
bonner
and
I
have
been
making
a
plan
for
west
state
based
on
the
committee's
recommendations
and
right
now
it
seems
like
between
20
and
30
large
trees
and
a
medium
trees
could
be
placed
there.
There's
also
a
plot
of
land
up
in
the
south
neighborhood
when
they
did
the
plantings
on
in
carroll
road.
C
There
was
a
property
that
was
left
open
that
was
donated
to
the
city.
It's
0.4
acres,
it's
contiguous
with
woods,
it's
in
the
mayor's
neighborhood
as
well
as
my
neighborhood,
and
we
spoke
to
chris
nicely
and
I
she's
a
head
of
city
council
and
I
spoke
with
the
neighbors
and
they
are
welcoming
of
having
trees
in
the
neighborhood
and
then
the
other
priority
for
the
mayor
is
1804
away.
C
That
trees
have
actually
been
planted
by
the
university.
Steve
was
asking
whether
or
not
it
would
make
sense
to
have
additional
plantings.
But
at
this
point
it
does
not
see
that
seeing
that
it's
large
tree
planting,
so
it
probably
would
not
be
within
the
purview
of
the
tree
commission.
It
would
probably
be
a
part
of
athens
and
bloom,
so
so
the
mayor
started
with
three
priority
areas:
we're
probably
down
to
two
that
would
cover
us.
C
The
thought
is
is
that
we
would
use
the
trees
from
menards.
The
issue,
though,
is,
is
that
in
the
west
state
street
area,
as
well
as
on
the
south
side,
we
have
deer,
and
so
there
are
significant
costs
for
not
only
putting
the
trees
in,
but
also
caging
them
and
maintaining
them.
And
so
my
question
to
the
mayor
was
who's
going
to
pay
for
this
and
that's
when
we
got
into
a
bit
of
a
chicken
and
an
egg
conversation
david.
C
We're
oh
we're
going
to
have
you
know
this
issue
with
225
dollars
being
banked.
I
said
that's
great.
That
will
help
us
with
future
plantings,
but
how
are
we
going
to
ever
use
the
bank
that
we
have
with
minorities?
Do
we
have
a
budget,
and
so
I
was
instructed
by
him
to
by
the
mayor,
to
come
back
to
the
committee
to
see
whether
or
not
the
committee
wanted
to
move
forward
with
these
two
ideas.
C
If
so,
I
think,
rather
than
coming
up
with
a
plan
for
those
areas,
what
we
can
do
is
just
say
generally,
each
of
those
areas
can
take
between
20
and
30
trees.
L
C
C
There
could
be
a
plan
nancy
that
was
just
what
the
mayor
declared
as
his
priorities.
It
doesn't
mean
that
we
have
to.
C
They
wanted
to
put
a
park
in
there
and
the
neighborhood
rejected
that
plan
a
few
years
back,
and
so
then
we
went
informally
to
ask
about
trees.
So
I
think
that
yes,
it
is
because
we
brought
them
up
again,
but
I
think
both
of
those
areas
were
things
that
had
been
discussed
prior,
but
I
don't
know
that
the
shade
tree
commission
is
really
bound
by
what
the
mayor
you
know
what
their
his.
C
D
As
long
as
as
as
the
money
is
involved,
I
think
we
need
to
all
be
concerned
about
what
the
mayor
wants
to
have
done,
because
he's
going
to
say
yes
or
no
to
the
funding
and
that's
and
the
time
and
the
time
of
people
to
do
it.
I
mean
he
has
to
to
agree
to
to
allow
city
employees
to
do
some
of
the
work.
C
D
Well,
I
guess
what
I'm
saying
is:
you've
you've
said
that
there's
a
space
for
so
many
trees
in
those
two
areas
that
doesn't
take
up
all
of
the
200
some
trees
at
menards,
supposedly.
C
No
nancy,
I
think
what
I'm
telling
everybody
is
it's.
You
know
I
realistically
don't
think
we're
going
to
be
able
to
plant
300
trees
any
time
in
the
near
future
unless
we
begin
to
have
a
policy
that
allows
us
to
allocate
funds
for
planting
and
maintenance,
because
that
was
not
in
the
contract
with
bernards.
C
C
C
E
C
C
You
know
ahead
of
time
and
just
say:
okay,
andrew
how
many
trees,
how
many
sites
do
you
realistically
think
that
you
can
handle
and
then
we
can.
If
he
says
I
can
handle
one
site,
then
we
make
a
plan
for
one
site.
If
he
says
two
sites
we
make
a
plan
for
two
sites.
I
just
don't
see
the
benefit
in
us
making
plans.
M
C
M
D
C
I
think
it's
two
part
nancy
is
one:
can
we
take
trees
from
menards
and
sell
them
and
the
answer
might
be?
Maybe
if
we
mandate
that
they
are
planted
within
city
property,
because
there
might
be
something
in
the
original
contract
that
says
that
the
city
has
to
plant
the
trees
and
then
the
second
question.
The
follow-up
would
be
okay.
If
we
have
to
mandate
that
they're
planted
will
legal
give
us
a
contract
that
people
have
to
sign
when
they
get
the
trees,
yeah.
C
Of
it,
david
shared
some
of
the
language
from
it.
C
B
B
I
could
I
could
get
that
again
if,
if
mr
ingram
is
inclined,
I
can
get
that
to
him
and
he
can
pass
it
along
to
everybody.
Yes,
if
he
could.
I
I.
B
There
are
370
trees
that
menards
has
agreed
to
supply
to
the
city
of
athens
and
I
believe
it's
in
a
certain
amount
of
the
sort
of
there's
a
certain
time
limit
on
it,
but
there's
370
trees
of
two
inch.
It's
called
dbh
diameter
at
breast
height
right
and
I
think
it's
a
species
that
hap
that
the
species
has
to
be
approved
by
the
shade
tree.
Commission-
I
I
I
believe,
that's
the
case
I'll
get
the
details
and.
E
And-
and
I
thought
the
plan
was
or
what
we
are
thinking
was
that
we
don't
try
to
plant
them
all
in
one
year
I
mean
always
assuming
that
we
could,
but
rather
that
these
be
planted
over
a
period
of
time,
staggered
so
that
we
don't
have
370.
Whatever
is
trees
that
will
be
reaching
the
end
of
their
lifespan,
all
within
a
short
time
period.
E
That
that
was
a
question,
but
when
we
were
talking
about
it
back
when
we
were
discussing
it
and
bonner
brought
up
that
point
and
even
though
the
trees-
but
you
know
absolutely
right,
the
trees
are
spread
over
the
city.
It
may
not
make
that
much
difference,
but
I
have
a
feeling
that
we're
going
to
have
to
do
this
within
a
short
time
frame
like
two
or
three
years,
or
else
these
things
have
a
way
of
not
happening.
C
G
C
D
C
A
A
So
I
I
think
we've
got
I'd
like
to
move
us
along
because
we're
hitting
at
nine
o'clock
now
the
this
is
one
of
our
records.
I
A
Meeting
so
if
if
roxanne
can
go
to
andrew
tomorrow
and
approach
some
of
these
questions
to
him
and
then
report
back
to
us,
I
think
that
would
be
a
good
thing
to
do.
I
don't
think
there's
any
much
more.
A
We
can
do
in
terms
of
planning
at
the
moment,
although
I
still
think
it's
a
good
idea
and
I'm
going
to
try
and
have
a
look
at
this
myself
as
to
look
at
east
state
street
towards
the
intersection
with
50
to
see
what
trees
could
be
planted
along
there,
because
I
know
that
there
are
a
lot
of
spaces
left
along
quite
a
bit
of
space,
yeah
yeah.
D
A
Yeah,
but
one
of
my
concerns
about
doing
it
on
east
8th
street
is
trying
to
identify
places
along
there
in
the
same
way,
because
obviously,
you've
got
very
fairly
large
properties
that
extend
with
extensive
fronts
on
there.
Yeah.
D
C
C
I
don't
know
what
their
inventory
is.
I
think
that
might
be
a
really
good
question
for
you
to
ask
david
is:
is
there
a
possibility
for
spring.
B
D
E
Right
yeah
no
fall
is
for
deciduous.
Trees
follows
the
time.
B
Well,
the
other
thing.
The
other
point
I
wanted
to
make
was
that,
do
you
guys
know
what
2021
is
it's
the
year
I
think
of
the
17-year
locust
and
when
they
come
there
they
do
a
significant
amount
of
damage
to
young
trees.
They.
B
The
well
they
call
it
brood
x,
20,
it's
a
17-year
locus
the
ones
with
the
red
eyes,
and
there
there
will
be
thousands
of
them
what
they
do
on
this
branches
of
small
trees.
Is
they
create
a
split
I
wish
anne
was
here?
She
could
be
able
to
oh.
C
Something
like
that
or
cicadas.
Nothing
like
nothing.
D
D
A
Good
anyway,
yeah
fall
is
the
best
time
I
think
for
for
this.
We're
really
too
far
into
spring
now
to
think
about
planting
unless
andrew's
going
to
offer
to
keep
things
watered,
because
that
may
have
to
be
part
by
your
discussion
with
him
as
to
exactly
what
does
he
understand
by
maintenance
of
trees.
L
C
E
You
know
david,
I
thought
in
the
past
that
mason
chambers
had
not
only
provided
the
trees,
but
he
planted
them
and
then
he
watered
them.
So,
although.
E
E
Again,
what
I'm
saying
is
the
city
has
paid
him
before
nancy.
The
city
has
used
mason
chambers
before
for
planting,
so
I
I
know
he's
expensive,
but
well
he
does
a
good
job
and
the
tree
survives
so.
I
A
Okay,
do
we
want
to
talk
about
planning
any
more
tonight
or
can
we
move
on
and
deal
with
any
immediate
questions
and
hopefully
approve
the
minutes
of
the
last
meeting
which
are
extensive
as
you've
seen
them
move
on?
Okay,
thank
you.
Yes,
so
is
there
any
other
business
that
we
need
to
consider
tonight?
A
I
A
A
There
we
go
so
we
didn't
have
any
tree
permit
issues.
At
the
last
meeting
we
had
noticed
that
we
would
be
receiving
these
two
plans.
We
then
went
through
a
fairly
extensive
discussion
about
how
we
might
develop
a
plan
in
abstract.
A
And
the
we
divided
up
the
city
into
various
zones
for
people
to
have
a
look
at
and
we're
already
seeing
the
fruits
of
that.
We've
got
reports
back
from
nancy
and
roxanne
about
what
they've
done
and
that's
good
and
that
will
meld
with
the
next
item,
which
was
to.
A
There
was
further
discussion
about
identification
of
sites
and
I
did
follow
up
with
andrew
chicky,
and
he
said
it
was
okay
for
me
to
go
out
and
solicit
a
an
estimate
or
a
quote
for
maintenance
of
trees.
A
A
So
I'd
have
to
talk
to
jessica
aldean,
who
has
been
very
supportive
of
what
the
tree
commission
does
so
we'll
see
what
happens
if
I
do
manage
to
come
up
with
some
sort
of
estimate
or
quote
from
a
a
maintenance
company
to
do
some
pruning
and
lifting
of
some
of
the
trees
in
the
city.
A
We
had
a
discussion
about?
Where
does
the
767
come
from
I've?
I've
documented
that
again
in
here,
and
there
was
a
tree
conference
that
anne
had
told
us
about-
I
don't
know
if
any
any
of
you
were
able
to
get
to
that
any
of
those
meetings.
In
the
end,
we
had
a
quick
review
of
the
title,
one
and
title
nine
changes
that
chris
fowle
is
proposing.
A
I
don't
know
roxanne
if
you'll
have
chance
to
discuss
with
anyone
about
the
pricing
and
whether
that
really
does
include
a
sufficient
amount
for
maintenance
of
any
trees
that
are
planted
in
their
first
year,
because
it
was
certainly
the
objective
that,
when
we
came
up
with
that
original
figure
was
that
they,
it
would
be,
as
I
described
as
having
a
contract
with
mason,
that
when
we
have
a
contract
with
him,
is
to
plant
the.
C
C
A
Now
the
the
this
is,
the
people
who
are
in
the
east
wing
of
cliffinger
are
being
relocated
to
lindley
when
the
renovations
started.
C
E
A
Very
good,
thank
you.
So
are
there
any
questions
about
items
on
the
minutes
at
all.
A
Okay,
so
I
have
a
motion
to
approve
from.
Was
that
nancy?
Yes,
thank
you.
Thank
you
roxanne
any
further
discussion
on
the
minutes.
If
not,
are
there
any
objections
to
approving
the
minutes
hearing
none.
We
have
minutes
of
our
last
meeting
and
our
next
meeting
will
be
april.
The
8th,
unless
we
hear
to
the
country
from
the
david
riggs
and
the
planning
comm
planning
commission
that
they
need
us
to
meet
before
their
meeting
yeah.
A
A
I'm
sorry
it's
all
right,
so
the
as
I
said,
the
next
meeting
will
be
april.
The
8th
at
7
p.m.
On
zoom.