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Athens Shade Tree Commission - November 4, 2021
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A
C
C
We
do
include
a
list
of
potential
trees
to
plant
here.
I
know
that
kentucky
coffee
tree
is
just
a
little
bit
there.
I
think
at
the
it's
just
down
the
street
there
a
little
bit
so
I
didn't
know
we
were
looking
for
your
input
on
what
trees
you
thought
would
be
appropriate
for
that
street
to
we
want
to
be
a
good
part,
a
good
part
of
the
community
and
good
community
members,
and
so
we
are
looking
for
your
input.
If
you
say
boy,
it'd
be
really
nice
to
have
this
tree
here.
C
We
are
all
about
that,
so
that
that
was
our
intent
and
then
the
second
page
that
I
gave
you
shows
the
existing
utilities
and
or
proposed
utilities.
There's
there's
a
storm
drain
line
coming
out
from
the
building
there,
and
then
there
is
a
storm
line.
There
appears
to
be
right
at
the
curb
so
that
that
is
what
we
have.
We
do.
The
existing
lawn
area
right
beside
east
state
street
adjacent
to
the
curb
is
existing.
C
There
is
a
spot
there,
just
below
the
just
below
these
parking
spaces.
This
area
here,
the
strip
of
green.
We
were
proposing
that
so
there
would
be
grass
or
a
paint
area
on
either
side
of
the
sidewalk.
We
were
looking
to
include
some
bushes
there
to
help
with
the
headlights
and
to
soften
that
up
a
little
bit
and
then
have
trees
across
there
as
well.
B
A
The
other
thing
that
we
should
note
is
that
there
are,
I
think,
it's
four
crab
battles
existing
in
the
right
of
way
and
just
in
front
of
the
building.
These
are
quite
elderly
crab
apples
and
that
I,
my
recommendation,
is
that
they
be
removed
and
that
these
trees
be
used
to
replace
them,
because
they're
gonna
have
to
be
replaced
soon
anyway,
I
think,
and
obviously
being
small
shade
trees
that
we
would
much
prefer
these
large
ones
yeah.
C
C
F
The
purpose
of
this
ordinance
was
to
shade
parking
lots
so
that
there
wouldn't
be
the
tremendous
heat.
That's
that
is
absorbed
and
then
reflected
from
those
parking
lots
would
be
reduced
by
the
presence
of
the
trees.
I
mean
it's
good
to
have
the
trees,
but
having
trees
within
the
parking.
Lot
is
really
important.
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F
B
B
But
over
here
my
fear
is,
is
that
we
have
feet
of
concrete
and
asphalt,
and
if
we
were
to
expect
any
trees
to
grow
in
that
area,
it
would
be
nearly
impossible.
The
only
thing
really,
we
could
consider,
I
think,
are
raised
planters
and
that,
as
you
know,
is
a
real
difficulty
in
a
parking
you
know.
I
have
been.
F
Amazed
at
the
trees
in
at
the
state
street
at
the
market
on
state,
you
know
because
they
have
planted
there's
a
center
as
you
enter
the
middle
there's
and
those
trees
have
so
little
soil
yeah
and
I
thought
well,
those
are
never
survived.
Now.
It's
been
several
years
and
on
columbus
road,
another
place
where
totally
it's
just
it's
just
rock,
underneath
the
road
and
yet
those
trees.
Most
of
them
have
survived
it's
sort
of
it's
no
guarantee
for
longevity,
but
I
thought
why
why
even
waste
the
effort
but
yeah
you.
E
B
I
think
the
fact
that
they
are
replacing
trees,
which
are
aging
out,
which
they
don't
theoretically
have
to
do.
I
think
that
this
group
has
really
tried
to
take
into
account
the
spirit
of
what
we
are
trying
to
achieve,
and
the
fact
that
they're
also
willing
to
do
an
additional
median,
which
doesn't
mean
shade
tree
requirements
but
does
give
green
space
also
gives
a
permeable
area.
I
think,
is
really
laudable.
The.
E
E
C
So
the
rear
portion
will
be
two
floors:
the
existing
brick,
it's
an
existing
brick
at
the
rear
and
the
addition
we're
going
to
remove
the
roof,
and
so
it's
going
to
lower
that
floor
quite
a
bit,
and
so
the
addition
will
pop
up.
I
don't
know
we
don't
have
it
completely
figured
out
six
eight,
maybe
ten
feet
above
it's
not
going
to
be
a
huge
amount
above
that
existing
brick
back
there
I'm
excited
about.
I
think
it's
really
going
to
fit
in
nicely
with
that
neighborhood,
specifically
with
the
residential
and
behind
it.
C
C
C
C
E
A
E
A
A
A
F
A
A
A
C
So
so
the
dumpster
area
that
we
have
proposed
there's
an
existing
outbuilding
up
here
in
this
top
left
corner
in
our
intent,
was
to
to
just
simply
extend
a
couple.
I
was
thinking
of
some
couple
block
walls
or
something
that
could
have
all.
I
guess
we
haven't
really
got
to
that
far,
but
we
certainly
were
intending
to
screen
in
some
form
of
action,
because.
A
That
that
that
is
part
of
it
and
the
other
thing
that
has
been
brought
to
us
now
with
the
city
council's
revisions
are
that
any
plants
that
are
supposed
to
be.
You
meet
the
requirement
for
native
trees,
but
the
the
current
code
actually
requires
the
any
other
plantings.
I'm
trying
to
find
the
wording
quickly
here.
B
A
C
A
H
A
H
H
Part
of
those
are
the
street
trees
that
are
allowed
to
count
towards
those
which
21
street
trees
are
required.
We
have
18
large,
shade,
trees
and
10
small.
Due
to
the
helistop.
We
can't
have
any
shade
trees
around
the
the
heliport.
So
then
our
we
calculated
the
permeable
area
and
we
added
more
permeable
area
to
the
actual
site
to
allow
us
to
count
91
existing
trees
towards
the
83
required.
H
All
of
our
trees
were
chosen
from
the
athens
shea
tree
commission
list
a
lot
of
natives
in
there,
some
other
hardy
urban
trees
dispersed
along
the
site
as
best
we
could.
The
reason
we
went
and
counted
the
trees
in
the
forest
is
existing
with
30
foot
on
center
distance
requirements.
There's
just
not
enough
space
on
what
we
are
developing
to
simply
put
more
trees
back
in
there.
So
we
counted
the
trees
that
were
existing
towards
that.
E
B
H
A
Now
the
question
I
had
was
that
I
couldn't
from
the
original
plans,
but
I'm
still
having
difficulty
with
this.
One
is
understanding
what
is
the
area
of
the
of
the
property,
because
it's
the
property
area
that
is,
is
the
key
to
the
whole
thing.
As
far
as
I'm
concerned,
I
can
see
on
this
diagram
that
you've
got
a
a
dash,
dash,
rectangle
marked
out
and
then
beyond
it.
I
can
see
it
says:
site
boundary,
yes,
so,
which
is
the
property
line,
property
boundary
and
the
boundary
of
disturbance
are
different.
H
A
We
then
look
at
the
permeable,
the
impermeable
area
and
calculate
how
many
of
those
trees
are
actually
going
to
finish
up
being
associated
with
that
permeable
area.
Sorry
impermeable
area
right,
and
so
that's
where
I'm
having
a
little
bit
of
a
difficulty,
because
I
can't
see
that
how
that
calculation
has
been
done.
A
G
We
discussed
this
with
planning,
commission
and
safety
service
director
and
the
vast
majority
of
that
site
won't
be
disturbed,
and
so
planning,
commission
and
safety
service
director
set
out
at
what
they
consider
to
be
the
site
rather
than
the
property.
This
is
kind
of
an
unusual
parcel
here
where
most
most
developments
will
use
the
majority
of
the
of
the
property
that
they've
purchased
in
this
case
they're
not
and
what
they
did.
E
A
An
alternative
way
of
dealing
with
this
is
that
we
will
make
it
a
firm
note
in
our
proceedings
that
they
that
no
development
and
no
tree
clearing
will
be
permitted
on
the
rest
of
the
site.
I
think
that
would
be
appropriate,
because
that's
the
only
way
that
we
can
really
do
this,
because
in
the
past,
where
we've
had
large
developments
and
people
have
you
know
it's
unreasonable
to
go
around
counting
all
the
trees.
A
A
B
B
H
Yes-
and
they
are
so
we
needed
21
so
for
the
street
trees
we
need
21
large,
shade
trees.
Then
we
have
18
large
and
then
10
small,
which
I
was
using.
The
service
varies
to
count
for
small
to
make
up
the
extra
ways.
We
need
nine
to
balance
three
per
one
to
get
to
21,
okay
and
the
same
thing
was
done
for
the
ser
or
the
magnolias
around
the
building.
They
are
beyond
the
requirement
and
they're
counted
three
to
one.
F
F
B
B
Impervious
okay,
so
that
means
that
you
actually
are
required
to
have
139
okay
and
then
so.
The
plant
schedule
is
showing
71
trees
correct,
but
some
of
them
don't
count
as
full.
They
count
as
half
because
they're,
medium
or
small
right
right.
So
are
you
asking
for
us
to
grant
a
tree
bank
of
139
minus
approximately
70
trees?
Is
that
what
I'm
understanding.
H
F
H
We
took
the
site
of
disturbance
and
then
surveyed
some
trees
off.
You
know
that
are
on
our
parcel.
We
tried
counting
those
and
that's
when
sam
was
presenting
you.
That
was
how
the
plan
was
drawn.
We
worked
with
mr
riggs
and
because,
if
we
were
going
to
count,
trees
that
were
on
our
parcel
were
not
part
of
the
site,
we
would
need
to
include
that
square
footage
in
our
calculations.
So
I
took
the
extra
square
footage
where
we
surveyed
connected
that
to
our
site
of
disturbance
and
then
added
that
into
our
total
calculations,
to
balance.
H
B
You
were
71
trees,
short
from
the
number
that
you
said
that
you
were
to
plant,
which
is
139
because
we're
counting
the
21
right
and
then
the
plant
schedule,
I
believe,
is
the
equivalent
of
68
trees
and
some
of
them
only
count
as
half
leaving
you
a
balance
of
71
trees,
but
because
your
existing
tree
survey
is
greater
than
that
you're
asking
for
us
to
count
that
which
seems
appropriate
and
the
trees
that
are.
There
are
natives
and
they
are
large,
shade
trees.
B
B
A
D
B
B
B
A
F
B
A
B
A
C
A
H
B
D
A
D
H
D
B
E
B
B
B
B
B
A
F
B
A
E
A
B
A
H
H
Right
now,
that's
in
the
architect
sucks.
I
think
it's
going
to
be
masonry.
If
not,
it
would
be
screened
with
some
sort
of
evergreen
yeah
as
required
yep,
because
we
don't
have
finished
facades
of
the
building
exactly
yet.
We
have
not
done
the
foundation,
plantings
and
sort
of
dress
up,
and
that's
the
next.
B
A
F
F
F
B
B
A
B
B
D
A
F
A
G
On
the
west
side,
that's
the
easiest
way
to
define
it.
It's
it's
as
it's
before
you
get
it's
as
you're
going
northwest
before
you
get
to
green
leaf,
it's
going
to
be
on
the
on
the
left
side
and
there's,
like
I
said,
a
big
old
case,
bulldozer
sitting
there
resting
away
and
that's
exactly
where
the
site
is.
A
E
G
Yes,
you
should
see
a
wota,
the
680
682
residential
project.
They
had
phase
one
and
phase
two
that
you
reviewed
and
approved
they
are,
they
are,
are
coming
back
or
they've
told
us.
They
want
to
come
back
with
two
more
phases:
phase
three
and
phase
four
on
that
same
property,
so
they'll
have
a
total
of
four
buildings
on
that
site.
Four
different
developments.
G
F
E
F
G
Actually,
there
is
wetlands
back
there
that
there
that
they
have
to
leave
undisturbed,
they
are
disturbing
a
little
bit
of
it
and
they
did
a
wetland
bank.
As
my
understanding,
they
did
a
wetland
bank
for
a
little
bit
of
disturbance
that
actually
did
great
in
the
wetland
area
back
there.
They
also
retook
the
pond
and
relocated
all
the
turtles
that
were
in
that
pond
to
their
to
the
wetland
area
that
the
city
created
or
had
created
behind
little
fish.
F
A
A
B
I
think
you're
right.
We
have
to
work
on
that,
but
I
think
even
more
important
is
that
we
need
to
make
sure
that
all
the
information
that
we're
supposed
to
have
posted
for
the
pollinator
gardens
is
up
still
working
on
that
yeah
and
so
that
that's,
I
think
you
know
we
have
time.
People
are
going
to
work
on
this
in
the
spring,
but
let's
try
and
set
it
so
we're
really
ready
in
april.
We
we
don't
control
it
yeah,
but
I
think
that
we
can
help
provide
the
information.
A
B
B
E
B
E
B
G
G
G
D
B
Yeah,
it
sounds
like
it's
root
damage,
so
the
question
is:
is
who
makes
that
decision?
If
the
shade
tree?
I
guess
it's
our
decision
to
agree
or
disagree
that
it's
root
damage
due
to
that
tree.
That's
causing
the
issue
of
small
trees.
Well,
but
then
it,
but
then
it
goes
to
the
city
to
decide
the
liability
right.
F
Well,
let
me
just
bring
up
a
point
here,
speaking
as
a
botanist
yeah,
with
a
special
interest
in
trees
and
being
trained
somewhat
by
ann
bonner,
that
trees
do
not
seek
areas
where
there's
no
air
or
water.
So
if
that
wall
has
developed
spaces
where
there's
air
or
water
is
getting
into,
then
the
roots
might
be
going
in
there.
But
if
that
wall
is
intact,
then
there
shouldn't
be
root,
damage,
see
often
people
will
say:
oh
see
the
sidewalk
up,
it's
the
roots
that
are
causing
it,
but
what's
actually
happening
according
to
research.
F
A
B
B
B
They
are
not.
The
application
is
now
on
on
the
web
page,
but
what
I
propose
is
that
it
stays
on
your
site
where
the
forms
are,
but
it
actually,
the
majority
of
the
information
will
be
on
the
sha
tree
commission
site,
where
we
can
have
the
form
and
all
the
other
lists,
and
then
you
refer
back
to
shade
tree.
D
B
A
But
so
what
I
think
would
be
useful
is
if
we
could
draft
up
a
document
that
actually
has
a
pic
it
sort
of
envisages
what
we
think
the
site
looks
like,
and
I
don't
think
that's
for
the
oh,
oh,
what
would
I
mean
there's
going
to
be
the
the
garden
application
and
then
there's
presumably
going
to
be
links
underneath
it
for
these
things,
and
we
need
to
list
what
each
of
those
links
is
supposed
to
do.
Yep,
and
that
is
the
case,
is
making
sure
those
links
do
what
they
do
right.
D
B
The
blanks,
if
we
feel
like
we're,
missing
any
information
and
you
guys
can
look
at
it
all
right.
I
will
commit
to
doing
that
good.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Okay.
I
do
have
one
last
question,
so
the
trees
were
received
from
the
nards.
What
are
they
being
stored
now
and
when
will
they
be
planted
by
the
city.
G
E
A
E
G
D
B
A
B
F
A
A
So
are
there
any
objections
to
approving
the
minutes
of
the
last
meeting
nope
hearing?
None,
we
have
minutes
of
our
last
meeting.
Our
next
meeting
will
be
the
9th
of
december
in
just
over
5
weeks
time.
There
will
be
no
meeting
next
week
because
it's
veteran's
day
with
that
we're
adjourned.
Thank
you.