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From YouTube: Athens Shade Tree Commission - February 11, 2021
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Athens Shade Tree Commission - February 11, 2021
A
Good
evening
this
is
the
city
shade
tree
commission
meeting
for
february
11th
2021.
We
have
no
tree
permit
or
right-of-way
issues
and
I
don't
have
any
landscape
or
landscape
ordinance
issues.
I
see
that
david
riggs
has
joined
us.
I
don't
know
if
you
can
tell
us
david
if
there's
any
plans
coming
our
way
in
the
next
month
or
so.
B
B
Actually
I'll
try
to
get
them
out
to
you
all
tomorrow,
so
you
can
review
it.
There
are
two
developments,
so
there's
a
lot
to
look
at
and
actually
I
just
got
them
today,
so
I
haven't
had
a
chance
to
look
at
them
at
all,
but
I'll
send
you
the
links
to
both
of
those
plans,
so
we'll
have
plenty
of
time
to
look
at
it.
A
Okay,
very
good,
very
good
anything
else.
You
want
to
tell
us
about
at
all.
A
Very
good
okay,
so
we
can
roll
on
to
the
maintenance
of
the
street
canopy
and
the
plans.
I
haven't
done
any
more
with
the
plans
and
what
we
see
in
the
minutes
of
the
last
meeting.
A
A
A
Not
yet
no,
no,
it's
it's.
I
believe
it's
very
close,
because
the
I
saw
an
email
exchange
where
I
think
it
said
the
one
of
the
contractors
had
got
some
time
to
do
it,
and
so
they
were,
they
were
moving
it
up
on
on
the
list,
so
it
should
take
place
in
the
next
week
or
so
I
think.
D
C
A
Well,
all
trees
that
require
a
tree
permit
come
to
us
or
come
to
me
at
least,
and
I
try
to
put
them
on
the
agenda
just
as
a
reminder
of
what's
going
on.
But
if
somebody
goes
straight
to
the
the
service
safety
director
and
it's
an
emergency
to
remove
the
tree
if
the
trees
fall
over
well,
there
is
no
tree
permit.
The
city
just
deals
with
the
removal
and
they
may
or
may
not
tell
me
that
that's
happened.
C
A
Well,
I
just
say,
but
the
service
safety
director's
office
is
supposed
to
keep
track
of
those
things,
and
certainly
when
ron
lucas
was
in
that
office,
he
assured
me
that
we
planted
trees
in
places
where
they,
where
we
removed
trees.
And
if
you
looked
at
the
trees
at
the
usa
report,
you
would
see
that
the
number
of
trees
being
planted
exceeded
the
number
that
would
be.
E
Off
am
I
good?
Yes,
no
you're
good?
Okay!
Sorry
about
that,
I
would
suggest
that
somebody
on
the
commission,
be
you
know
that
that
be
delegated
as
a
commission
duty,
because
I
think
that's
where
we've
missed
out
a
lot
in
the
past
years
of
not
replacing
what's
been
been
removed,.
A
A
E
A
The
idea
was
simply
to
maintain
a
list
of
where
trees
had
been
removed.
E
A
If
the
tree
falls
down
in
the
street,
I
don't
hear
about
it,
just
paraphrasing
a
famous
saying,
because
the
city
doesn't
always
tell
us
that
the
the
the
the
person
remove
a
tree.
C
A
Yeah
I
mean
maybe
I
ca
I
I
can
ask
him
if
he
keeps
a
what
what
log
he
keeps
and
if,
if
he
can
just
every
three
months
just
send
some
send
me.
G
F
A
I
want
to
talk
to
him
anyway
about
I'd
like
to
find
out
how
we
could
get
some
pricing
on
a
contractor
to
do
maintenance
in
the
city
on
the
trees,
because
I
don't
think
there's
any
sign
of
the
city
workers
doing
any
of
this
work
at
all,
and
so
in
terms
of
developing
a
plan,
we
know
what
it
costs
to
plant
trees.
Roughly
we
can
identify
sites
and
so
on.
The
bit.
A
That's
missing
at
the
moment
is
the
planning
for
it's,
not
the
planning,
it's
the
maintenance
aspect
of
the
trees
and
coming
up
with
a
cost,
for
I
don't
know
crown
lifting
20
to
50
trees
a
year
or
something.
C
A
Okay,
so,
while
while
we're
on
the
the
planning
topics
are
the
anything
else
that
we
should
be
thinking
about,.
H
Well,
I
just
wanted
to
bring
up
a
point,
and
that
is
almost
my
understanding
that
the
safety
service
director
will
only
remove
trees
if
they
are
an
imminent
threat.
So
if
it
looks
like
it's
unhazardous,
so
those
are
the
trees
that
they
remove
and
they
don't
have
to
come
to
us.
Is
that
still
true
david?
Do
you
think.
A
Yeah
yeah,
okay,
yeah
yeah.
They
they
they're
supposed
to
consult
with
us
when
when
a
tree
is
not
an
imminent
an
in
in
imminent
hazard
and
obviously
if
a
tree
falls
over
well,
you
know
they.
A
They
certainly
don't
bother
consulting
us
on
those,
but
on
the
the
ones
like
141
morris
avenue,
where
the
adjacent
owner
reported
a
problem,
and
I
looked
at
it
that
that
that
involved
a
tree
permit
and
that's
more
typical
of
where,
where
the
tree
commission
comes
in,
because
I
made
a
recommendation
to
the
city
about
it
and
they
agreed,
it
needs
to
be
removed.
C
So
so
is
this
a
place
where
we
could
talk
about
the
the
draft
of
the
of
the
new
ordinance.
A
Let's
see
that
under
other
business-
okay-
oh
let's
finish
talking
about
planning
for
the
moment
and
then
we'll
move
on
to
the
next
item,
which
is
other
business.
I
just
got
one
announcement
under
that
and
then
and
then
we
can.
We
can
talk
about
those
documents
that
that
I
circulated
yeah.
C
Well,
in
terms
of
the
planning
we
talked
briefly
or
I'm
not
sure
where
it
ended
actually
about
dividing
up
the
city
in
some
way
and
and
finding
the
ways
of
counting
spots
where
trees
could
be
considered
for
replace,
not
replacement
for
new
trees.
Yeah.
A
Yeah
we
we
can
do
that.
One
thing
that
we
can
think
about
is
is
what
which
areas
are
easiest
for
us
personally
to
look
at.
You
know
roxanne
lives
on
the
south
side,
so
that
would
make
sense
for
her
to
be
looking
in,
I'm
not
not
necessarily
the
hole
in
the
south
side
but
part
of
it,
I'm
in
the
near
east
side.
So
that's
that's
an
obvious
one
for
me.
Thank
you
very
soon.
A
You're
at
your
far
east
side
and
and
lea,
is
up
on
the
hill
and
david
with
david.
So
we've
got
plenty
of
coverage
up
there.
D
James,
I
need
this.
I
don't
know
these
names,
so
I'm
new
to
the
city,
I'm
guessing
is
where,
where
these
places
are,
but
I
lived
by
kindred
market
back
behind
them,
I
think
that's.
A
Actually
that
that's
an
interesting
one,
because
that's
on
the
other
side
of
east
8th
street,
from
where
I
am
and
that.
A
C
G
A
Typically,
have
20
trees
planted
that
that's,
so
that's
that's
the
number
I
seem
to
remember
and
what
we
said.
I
think
a
few
meetings
back
is
that
in
a
plan
we
should
have
a
target,
and
I
and
I
think
I
said
that
we
should
aim
to
plant
at
least
20
more
trees
than
we
remove
every
year
and
so
that
that
again
gives
the
city
an
idea
of
the
sort
of
budget
that
we
need.
A
It
it
varies
a
lot
I
mean
we've
with
the
emerald
ash.
Borer
we've
been
taking
out
probably
more
trees
than
we've
actually
planted
in
some
years,
but
I
think
overall
we
we
certainly
when
ron
lucas
was
there.
We
tried
to
maintain
the
number
as
a
minimum.
A
Yeah
and
occasionally
there
would
be
a
grant,
although
it
would
be
a
project
like
the
richmond
avenue
one.
I
think
that
has
some
trees
in
it.
I
think
the
west
union
street
project
does
and
so
does
the
stimson
avenue
project.
C
A
Yeah
columbus
road
was
another
one,
and
so
all
of
these
are
examples
of
where
there
are
trees
built
into
the
project
cost.
But
the
the
issue
again
is:
we
are
not
planning
to
maintain
trees,
we're
planning
to
plant
trees,
and
that
was
one
of
the
things
that
alan
swift
pointed
out,
that
you
need.
C
How
many
do
you
think
we
should
go
for
to
to
try
to
get
ahead
of
the
game.
A
Well,
I
I
said
a
number
like
20
more
more
than
we
than
we
remove.
A
A
H
Well,
for
in
a
plan
you
have
to
have
like
x,
plus
20
x,
representing
the
number
of
trees
removed.
You
know
we
can
work
on
how
we
get
that
number
later.
But
that's
the
goal
you
know,
and
so,
but
we
can't
go
to
the
city
and
say
we
want
money
to
plant
trees.
They
want
to
see
a
plan,
they
want
to
see
rationale.
H
E
Well,
I
I
don't
want
to
throw
any
wrenches
anywhere,
but
I
missed
this
meeting,
but
before
that
we
were
discussing
needing
to
find
homes,
for
I
think
272
trees
that
menards
had
offered
the
city
is:
what's
the
status?
Does
that
fit.
A
Into
this,
that's
not
going
anywhere
at
the
moment
until
until
we
get
the
money
from
menards
to
do
it
or
menards,
actually,
the
other.
The
alternative
is
that
they
will
plant
trees
in
sites
that
we
agree
that
they
can
plant
trees
in
and
they
they
may
do
that,
but
david
riggs
was
the
one
dealing
with
the
negotiations
on
that.
I
don't
know
david.
Have
you
got?
Are
you
still
with
us?
If
you
want
to
comment
on
that,
one.
B
Yeah,
I'm
still
here
that
that
is
correct.
There
are
those
trees
that
will
be
available
once
we
decide
the
best
location
to
plant
those
there's
a.
I
can't
remember,
I'm
sorry,
I
can't
remember
the
exact
number
up
front,
but
there's
a
significant
number
of
trees
that
they've
agreed
to
plant
for
the
city.
A
So
they're
so
david,
are
they
they
waiting
for
us
to
identify
sites?
Then.
B
A
G
F
H
G
H
A
I
G
A
A
Let's
say
I
put
120
percent
in
one
year,
we
we
remove
two
or
three
hundred
trees.
The
city
may
turn
around
and
say
no.
We
can't
afford
to
do
it.
Tough.
A
G
G
A
Yeah,
I
seem
to
remember
in
prior
to
the
emerald
ash
borer.
We
only
removed
something
like
10
to
20
trees
a
year
and
so
that
my
number
was
a
significant
increase
in
that
on
that
basis,
so
that
that
was
where
I
was
going
with
it.
But
what
what?
What
did
I
think
the
city
could
maybe
afford
in
terms
of
tree
so.
C
David
riggs
is
there
any
kind
of
time
frame
that
menards
has
agreed
to
do
this
or.
C
B
That
the
sooner
we
do
it,
the
more
the
easier
it
would
be
to
get
those
trees.
I
think
if
we
would
wait
five
years
or
ten
years
be
very
difficult
to
do
it
so,
the
sooner
the
better.
I
think.
A
But
yeah
and
the
the
other
issue
we
need
to
be
thinking
about
is
the
care
of
these
trees
as
well,
because
that
again
is
one
of
the
issues
that
we
don't
really.
A
So
yeah
we
would,
I
mean
we
wouldn't
want
to
try
planting
200
trees
in
one
go
yeah,
because
we
we
just
couldn't.
We
couldn't
maintain
that
that
many
so.
G
A
Yeah
one
of
the
thoughts
is
that
there's
a
lot
of
space
for
trees
along
east
state
street
near
near
menards,
and
that
that
may
be
a
a
good
site
to
try
and
put
trees
on
we
a
few
years
ago.
We
planted
clusters
of
trees
along
there,
and
some
of
them
have
done
have
done
quite
quite
well,
and
that
again
may
be
a
good
strategy
for
planting
along
there,
rather
than
have
an
avenue
of
evenly
spaced
trees.
Oh.
C
Here's
a
follow-up
to
that
that
plant.
I
think,
that's
a
great
idea
what
about
if
we
have,
after
that,
that's
so
many
trees
and
then
the
next
stage
we'll
have
it
and
so
many
in
the
furry
side.
So
many
in
the
south
side,
you
know
so
that
we
move
from
area
to
area
yeah.
G
Forgive
my
ignorance:
are
we
allowed
to
plant
trees
at
the
community
center
or
is
that
not
our
purview,
yeah.
A
Any
anywhere
anywhere
within
the
city
that
is,
public
property
comes
under
us.
However,
we
have
to
work
through
the
service
safety
director's
office
to
get
to
get
those
sites
approved
by
the
city.
I'd.
G
A
The
one
thing
we
have
to
be
careful
of
with
that
site
is
that
the
runways
were
left
in
place
in
many
areas,
and
so
there
isn't
the
depth
of
soil
that
you
need
the
trees.
You've
got
to
be
very
careful
about
where
you,
where
you
try
to
try,
planting
trees
or
you've,
got
to
dig
big
holes
through
some.
G
No,
they
are
not
usable
anymore,
the
the
surface
is
cracked
and
the
the
nets
have
been
removed.
No,
I
never
know
it's
been
a
problem
for
the
city,
so
turning
it
back.
I
would.
C
I
E
There
are
two
catalpas
next
to
the
tennis
court
and
those
came
from
my
flower
beds
a
hundred
years
ago.
I
don't
know
when,
but
when
I
was
young,
I
gave
them
to,
I
think
kevin
swartz-off
when
he
was
and
they
were
just
little
pups.
You
know
that,
but
another
place,
if
we're
making
a
loose
a
loose
list
of
tree
planting
sites
and
again
I
always
say,
plant
the
easy
sites.
First,
west
state
street
ball
diamond
entrance,
just
lost
a
bunch
of
trees
due
to
an
aep
or
or
if
they
haven't
been
cut
down.
I
They
did
actually
they.
They
are
they're
not
on
the
the
edge
by
the
road.
They
are
in
the
middle
between
the
concession
stand
and
the
ball
field.
E
First,
ball
field:
great
news:
that's
jessica,
at
work!
She's
awesome!
I
still
contend
if
you
go
up
west
state
street
through
the
public
services
buildings
that
are
owned
by
the
city
and
even
across
the
road,
it's
really
barren
and
there
are
wires.
So
we'd
have
to
be
creative,
but
I
think
you
know
clusters
of
evergreens
some
unconventional
stuff.
Would
you
stand.
F
H
H
Real
estate,
you
know,
keeps
the
value,
and
so
that's
it's
really
important.
C
Yeah,
I
have
a
a
vested
interest
because
I
walk
every
day
in
this
area
and
I
sure
would
like
to
have
some
more
trees,
especially
when
it
gets
to
be
about.
May
yeah.
G
E
C
C
And
you
just
write
the
address
down
so
on
like
a1
street
is
my
street
avon
street
would
have
ones
needed
at
the
seven
and
nine
eleven
like
that
very
easy.
A
Well,
it's
easy
when
all
the
houses
are
numbered,
as
they
are
on
the
on
the
the
the
far
east
side
and
also
where
I
live,
but
the
area
that
anne
was
describing,
I
think,
is
a
little
bit
more
of
a
challenge.
Yeah
the
in
the
residential
areas.
On
the
west
side,
it's
certainly
possible
once
you
get
out
of
that
ball
field,
identifying
where
to
put
trees
there,
it's
a
much
more
difficult
one.
It's
a
bit
like
the
east
state
street
one.
It's
well.
A
No,
I
I'm
just
trying
to
describe
brand
that
there
are.
The
basic
approach
is
what
you
describe
nancy
of
just
a
list
of
streets
with
the
house
numbers
closest
to
where
you
think
the
site
is,
and
just
adding
to
to
the
list
that
alby
and
I
started.
A
A
We
can
we,
we
can
put
the
I
mean.
We
we've
now
got
the
list
that
alby
and
I
did
that.
That's
in
the
minutes
a
couple
of
meetings
ago.
A
H
I
getting
back
to
the
maintenance
before
mason
chambers
who
has
planted
trees,
we
there's
a
contract
with
him
and
he
comes
around
and
takes
care
of
those
trees
for
a
year
and
will
replace
the
trees
that
don't
make
it.
And
I
don't
know
whether
that
contractors
for
one
year.
But
that
is
something
that
a
lot
of
cities
do
not
do,
and
that
is
one
of
the
reasons
that
they
lose
so
many
trees
because
they
don't
have
care
for
them
in
the
first
year.
C
A
Well,
that's
not
far
off
the
price
that
the
city
is
placing,
I
think,
on
the
yeah
225
dollars
a
tree
is
what
they're,
what
they're
looking
at.
E
A
Well,
that's
this,
of
course,
is
the
concern
that
we've
got
with
the
with
the
tree
banking,
that
that's
that's
a
way
to
transfer
the
maintenance
over
to
the
the
city,
and
so
that's
why
I'm
always
reluctant
to
think
about
tree
banking
unless
you
really
have
to
do
it.
G
A
This
was
one
of
the
arguments
that
alan
got
in
addressed
in
his
talk,
and
it
made
me
realize
that
trying
to
get
the
city
to
do
any
maintenance
of
themselves
is
probably
a
bigger
challenge,
just
because
of
the
sheer
cost
of
people
rather
than
you
know,
so
what
I'm
thinking
of
it's
probably
easier
for
them
to
let
a
a
maintenance
contract
of
the
order
of
ten
thousand
dollars
than
it
is
to
hire
somebody,
and
so
that's
why
I
think
going
for
contractors
to
do
it
to
do
this
work
is
the
way
I
would
like
to
go
in.
C
A
Of
planning-
and
maybe
if,
if
we
get
to
a
point
where
we're
spending
enough
money,
then
they
may
think
we
should
be
doing
this
ourselves,
but
I
think
the
first
first
phase
is
to
get
the
plan
get
a
plan
established.
It
includes
maintenance
and
see
see
where,
where
where
we
can
go
with
that,
it's
not
going
to
be
perfect.
The
first
time
we're
going
to
have
to
keep
on
adjusting
it.
G
I'm
just
curious:
does
anybody
know
what
the
training
is
like
to
become
a
certified
arborist?
I
can.
E
One
of
my
my
personal
goals
was
to
help.
I
mean
one
of
the
things
in
my
job
is
I
try
to
get
people
to
become
certified
arborists,
whether
you
know,
typically
in
a
commercial
end
but
oftentimes,
and
one
of
my
goals
was
to
get
some
of
the
cities
that
are
struggling
and
main
maintaining
their
trees.
E
The
idea
that
if
they
could
get
a
certified
arborist
on
staff,
you
know,
then
all
of
a
sudden
this
person
would
be
an
advocate
and
able
to
help
when
decisions
are
made.
You
know
we're
gonna,
redo
water
lines
in
this
neighborhood
and
they
would
be
like
wait.
Here's
trees
and
here's
other
ways
to
do
it.
E
So
far
I've
been
striking
out.
I
mean
we
have
had
a
couple
certified
arborists
within
the
city.
I
don't
ran
them
off
and
they,
but
now
the
latest
thing
that's
happening
is
there
are
two
guys
that
do
have
an
interest
in
in
urban
forestry.
One
is
kevin,
skurlock
and
the
other
guy
is
works
underneath
him.
I
cannot
think
of
his
name
right
now.
I
haven't
got
to
meet
him
yet
they're
going
to
attend
the
ohio
tree
care
conference.
E
This,
the
the
arborist
training
it's
online
this
year,
it's
a
good
introduction
to
see,
if
maybe
they
would
be
interested
and
if
they
can
kind
of
fill
that
role
in
the
city.
It
would
be
great,
but
you
know
it
has
to
be
the
right
person
that
is
willing
to
take
this
on
with
all
their
other
duties
and
and
and
a
clear
chain
of
command,
and
I
think,
proving
to
be
a
little
bit
more
complicated
than
I
originally
thought.
E
Have
three
years
experience
in
the
landscape
tree
care
industry
so
that
you
know
you
worked
at
a
nursery,
you
worked,
you
know,
or
you
have
a
four-year
degree,
that
kind
of
two-year
degree
plus
one
years
of
experience,
one-year
experience,
and
then
you
have
to
take
a
test
and
it's
like
a
200
question
test
takes,
I
think,
four
hours
it's
it's
written
on
an
eighth
grade.
Reading
it's
on
a
eighth
grade.
E
Reading
level
we
have
training
classes
to
there's
12
standards
that
you
have
to
kind
of
understand,
from
biology
to
cabling
to
lightning
protection
stuff
like
that,
but
the
kicker
is
that
to
be
a
certified
arborist,
and
this
is
why
it's
such
a
struggle
in
the
commercial
world
is
you've,
got
to
take
classes
and
stay
up
to
date
regularly
and
you
have
to
pay
a
membership
and
it's
it's.
You
know
like
your
any
industry
standard
and
what
happens
is
you
know?
People
don't
have
time
to
keep
up
with
their
ceus.
E
E
E
Abort
culture
is
different
than
urban
forestry.
You
know
somebody
that
has
that
training.
You
can
assume
that
they
know
how
to
take
care
of
one
tree
at
a
time,
but
a
little
bit
more
know-how
and
vision
and
planning
to
to
be
managing
a
population
of
trees
and
not
that
it's
rocket
science.
I
mean
we
can
all
do
this,
but
somebody
wanting
to
okay.
E
What
do
you
mean?
What
do
you
mean?
Don't
I
yeah
I
mean
I'm
there
to
kind
of
support
and
help
with
the
difficult
ones,
but.
C
E
Okay,
oh
it's
all
there
too,
I
mean
we
gosh
there
are.
There
are
best
management
practices.
We
have
antsy
standards
for
how
to
plant
and
care
for
trees
and
how
to
prune
them
properly.
A
lot
of
cities
have
great
management
plans
that
you
can.
You
know,
copy
and
adapt
to
to
meet
your
needs.
E
E
Well,
roxanne:
let's
you:
why
don't
we
I
don't
want
to
you
know,
use
it.
We
can
meet
afterwards,
call
me
tomorrow
or
monday,
and-
and
I
can
start
sharing
resources
with
you.
We.
A
Yeah,
I
I
think
the
one
site
that
we'll
be
able
to
use
is
the
isa
site,
because
I
think
they've
got
information
there
on
how
to
become
a
certified
arborist
and
that's
isa.
A
D
A
Yeah
look
around
your
area
and
see
see
what
you're
willing
to
take
on
and
then
report
back
each
meeting
if
you've
got
a
list
and
I'll
put
them
in
the
minutes.
Okay,.
H
C
So
david
riggs
can,
can
you
can
you
let
let
menards
know
that
we're
working
on
a
plan,
so
they
don't
feel
like
we.
I
E
A
Yeah
I
I
yeah,
I'm
not
gonna,
try
and
rush
to
do
an
order
immediately,
but
this
is
april
too
late.
E
H
It's
a
better
time
to
plant.
Unless
we're
going
to
plant
conifers
yeah,
you
know
we
should
be
planting
deciduous
trees
in
the
fall
right,
ann
well,.
C
C
C
C
E
B
Actually-
and
I
I
let
my
my
certificate
expire,
so
I
am
no
longer,
I.
B
I
could
I'd
have
to
check
with
a
safety
service
director
to
see
what
direction
they
wanted
me
to
go.
But
yes,
that's
possible,
but
that's
part
of
the
reason
I
did
not
renew,
because
we
hadn't
discussed
that.
E
I
didn't
mean
to
put
you
on
the
spot
about
the
certified
arborist,
but
in
your
conversations
with
menards,
would
it
be
possible?
You
know
if,
if
you
said
we
wanted
to
start
the
process
of
drawing
down,
you
know
their
their
their
tree
bank
for
us
or
their
or
their
collection
of
trees.
For
us
would
it
be
possible
for
us
to
get
20,
pin
oaks
and
20
swamp
white
oaks
and
then
find
you
know
we
can
find
homes
for
those
or
something
I
mean
I'm
throwing
that
out.
There.
B
I
have
to
go
yes,
I
can
do
that.
I'd
have
to
go,
look
and
see,
I
think
they're
they're
getting
deliveries
right
now
for
their
for
their
trees
and
plant
material.
That
usually
happens
this
time
of
year.
So
let
me,
let
me
check
with
them,
and
I
can
I'll
get
back
with
you
next
meeting.
E
David
and
that
might
be
maybe
david,
if
that's
helpful,
for
them
to
give
us
large
quantities
of
one
thing,
and
I
know
that
that's
always
a
concern
about
diversity,
and
I
want
to
just
put
this
out
there
if
you're
having
a
plan,
a
planting
program
where
you're
planting
every
year,
it's
okay
to
do
all
hackberries
one
year
and
all
pin
oaks
the
next
year
and
all
kentucky
coffee
trees.
You
know,
okay,.
H
Cool
yeah
grand
and
we
really
emphasize
not
getting
alien
trees.
You
know
getting
trees
that
are,
if
not
native
or
at
least
because
that's
so
important
for
the
rest
of
the
wildlife.
As
as
we
know,
those
of
us
who've
been
watching.
The
living
landscape
series
knows.
F
E
Yeah,
I
that's
why
for
david,
I,
if
he
could
ask
cards
for
swamp,
white
and
pin
oak,
not
because
I
I
I
think,
pin
oak's
an
awesome
tree,
but
it's
easy
for
this.
First,
we
want
to
make
it
easy
for
menards.
We
want
to
make
it
easy
for
ourselves,
pin
oaks,
they
they
are
adaptable
and
you
know
so
that's
why
I
just
kind
of
threw
that
out
there.
C
A
Okay,
so
let's
move
on
to
the
other
agenda
items,
there's
a
tree
city,
usa,
virtual
conference,
so
I
put
in
the
agenda
as
a
reminder
for
people
and
tells
me
that
it's
not
easy
to
register
for
this
event,
but
it's
certainly
something
I
think
just
based
on
the
on
the
agenda
for
it.
It
looked.
It
looked
very
interesting.
Unfortunately,
it's
when
I
am
busy-
and
I
can't
get
to
it
live,
but
I
may
try
and
register
for
it
if
it
means
I'll
be
able
to
get
to
see
them
later.
E
There
are
two
more
they're
wednesdays.
Who
has
anybody
registered
yeah,
no
one's?
Oh
you
registered
yeah.
Were
you
able
to
watch
that
watch
it
yesterday?
Well,
like
I.
E
You
will
know
if
that
is
so
the
the
discount
code.
So
it's
thirty
dollars.
But
if
you
three
cities
account
code
tree
city,
all
one
word
lower
capacity,
you
should
be
able
to
register
if
some
people
have
been
having
trouble
with
it
yesterday,
they're
having
a
lot
of
trouble.
If
you
do
when
you,
when
you're
on
that
page,
underneath
that
register
button,
there's
some
text-
and
it
says
if
you
have
trouble
email
and
it's
tree
city
arbor
day,
dot
org.
E
A
Okay,
so
that's
something
for
us
to
have
a
look
at
independently
and
then
somebody
raised
the
issue
of
the
the
status
I
think
of
the
various
ordnance
changes
that
have
been
proposed
by
chris
fahl.
With
the
minutes.
Yesterday
I
circulated
the
items
that
she
is
planning
to
include,
I
think
in
title
ix
with
some
more
definitions
to
do
with
noxious
weeds
and
so
on,
and
then
entitle
one
talking
about,
or
maybe
it's
adding
it
to
title
time
37.
A
I
I
don't
really
understand
the
the
language
that's
used
there,
but
because
it
references,
title,
37
and
the
and
the
mitigation
fee
of
225
dollars
per
tree
and
then
they're
talking
about
a
celebration
for
application
celebration,
tree
program,
application
fee
of
a
hundred
dollars
and
then
a
native
and
pollinator-friendly
program,
registration
fee
of
twenty-five
dollars,
so
you've
seen
all
seems,
seems
remarkably
cheap
to
me.
But
there
you
go
then
the
other
document
I
circulated.
A
This
is
more
by
way
of
information
to
those
of
you
who
have
lost
track
of
the
proposed
changes
to
title
37
that
chris
fowle
had
introduced
or
was
planning
to
introduce
last
year,
and
I
believe
they
were
sent
to
the
law
director
for
review.
And
I
really
don't
know
what
the
status
is.
But
I
thought
I
might
as
well
send
that
out
as
well
with
the
minutes
from
from
from
yesterday.
So.
G
In
looking
at
title
or
chapter
nine,
besides
the
fact
that
there's
a
typo
in
the
definition
of
invasive,
I.
H
G
G
G
A
Yeah,
that's
under
the
noxious
weed
piece.
I
think
where
it
talks
about
noxious
weeds,
include
stateless
and
invasive
plant
species.
A
Yeah,
but
it
would,
it
would
have
to
be
on
the
state
list,
and
I
don't
know
if
there
are
any
native
noxious
weeds
listed.
G
A
Example:
okay,
but
yeah
I,
this
is
much
broader
than
than
just
trees.
This
is
this
was
to
do
something
else
within
the
city.
I.
G
I
E
The
right
trees
in
the
right
places
are
fine
and
we
don't
want
to
limit
ourselves
back
in
the
day.
You
know
you
weren't,
allowed
to
plant
silver
maple,
because
silver
maples
were
planted
on
the
streets.
E
Well,
there's
a
lot
of
really
appropriate
places
where
we
could
be
planting
silver,
maple
like,
for
example,
in
riparian
areas
or
down
in
our
flood
plains
or
natural
light
parks.
Like
the
wetland
area,
I
mean
they're
in
a
magnificent
tree,
a
long-lived
tree
a
tree
that
doesn't
require
any
maintenance,
because
you
know
they
they
they
got
into
some
clay
tile
pipes
across
america,
yeah
and
then
yeah.
E
E
Let
the
state
take
the
lead
on
that.
We
just
follow
the
industry
standards
or
the
state.
You
know
the
state
scientists.
G
G
G
C
E
Already
so
the
city,
I'm
pretty
sure
the
city
of
athens,
already
has
a
list
of
prohibited
species
in
the
right-of-way,
and
we
typically
try
to
discourage
against
that
in
the
code,
because
plants
and
our
own
engine
and
everything
I
I
think
it's
something
that
belongs
in
your
policies,
not
your
code
yep,
but.
I
E
Yeah
so
yeah
we
wouldn't
want
to
plant
black
or
black
walnut,
maybe
down
main
street
or
down.
You
know,
east
state
street.
There
are
certainly
places
where
we
could
use
it.
You
know
where
it
might
be
a
really
good
tree
and
in
the
woods
they
grow
in
concert
with
a
lot
of
different
species.
That's
actually
a
little
bit
of
they're
allele
pathy
is
is
somewhat
narrow.
There's
only
a
few
groups
of
plants
that
are
actually
impacted
by
that
yeah.
C
One
thing
that
they
do
is
when
they
lose
their
nuts.
They
are
hazardous
to
your
walk.
F
A
I
I
don't
want
to
pour
water
on
this
one,
but
I'm
just
looking
at
our
list
of
large
tree
species
and
eugene's
niagara
is
on
there.
So
black
walnuts
they're
on
our
list.
A
Yeah
and
it's
the
case
again,
it's
it's
this
thing
that
andy
has
pointed
out.
It's
it's
a
case
of
choosing
the
right
tree
flip
for
the
right
site.
I
have
no
problems,
putting
black
walnuts
in
the
city
box
again
in
the
right
places,
yeah
they're,
gorgeous
trees,.
H
Actually,
I
think
roxanne
has
a
really
good
point
and
I
think
weed
is
inappropriate
there.
I
think
plant
from
what
I
sitting
from
here.
I
haven't
read
it
closely,
but
I
think
we
could
would
be
good
idea
to
suggest
that
we
put
plant
in
instead
of
weed
because.
D
D
A
I
don't
know
where
the
the
words
in
in
quotations
are
coming
from
I,
but
I
I
mean
it
looks
like
that
they're
trying
to
define
that
that
phrase
noxious
weaving
and
it
says
any
plant
at
that
point.
A
And
the
nature
swedes
include
the
stateless
invasive
plant
species,
so
I'm
not
sure
that
there
is
any
real
issue
with
that:
okay,
all
right
with
that
definition
and
the
invasive
plants,
one.
I
can
see
an
issue
there,
but
again
it's
a
plant
species,
but
it's
here
it
says
not
not
native
and
well
yeah
there
could
be
plants.
You
might
consider
invasive.
A
C
A
Let
me
share
my
screen,
so
you
can
see
what
what
I'm
talking
about.
G
Another
thing
that
I
thought
was
really
funny
is
that
it
says
that
an
owner,
alicia
agent,
tenant
or
other
you
know
cannot
have
noxious
weeds
to
grow
more
than
eight
inches.
So
I'm
like
goody,
so
we
could
have
a
whole
bunch
of
noxious
weeds
that
are
lessened.
A
A
So
I
that
that's
where
I
think
that
the
eight
inches
is
coming
from.
So
this
is
the
document
that
I'm
reading
it
from
and
it's
it's
to
amend,
title
nine
general
yeah.
I.
A
D
G
No,
no,
yes,
so
yeah
a
weed
would
be
herbaceous,
that's
a
good
way
to
say
it.
It
wouldn't
be
a
tree,
and
so
it's
just
weird
well.
A
C
The
thing
that
was
hardest
for
me
to
to
to
understand-
and
I
and
I
think
you've
done
this
for
us
on
the
past-
is
how
to
figure
out
the
planning
spaces.
C
A
A
That
number
the
yes,
I
get
1767
square
feet.
It
comes
about
by
thinking
of
the
spacing
in
part
of
the
city
ordinances.
To
do
with.
A
I
think
it's
subdivisions
where
it
says
the
the
trees
should
be
30
feet
apart,
and
so
the
presumption,
then,
is
that
well,
you've
got
a
30
foot
circle
and
that
30
30
foot
circle
gives
you
a
certain
area
for
one
tree
to
occupy,
and
then,
if
you
want
a
40
coverage
that
that
tells
you,
then
how
many
trees
per
acre
or
how
many,
how
big,
how
big
a
space
one
tree
should
should
should
occupy.
A
And
that
that
that
that
was
where
that
1767
came
from
and
then
the
well,
you
take
full
40
percent
of
any
area
and
you
say
that
it's
going
to
be
covered
in
trees
and
you
look
at
that
area.
That's
going
to
be
covered
in
trees
and
you
cover
it
in
circles.
30
feet
diameter.
A
And
that's
what
what
effectively
we
were
trying
to
do
with
the
with
the
ordinance
and
then
there's
a
slight
variation
when
it
talks
about
impermeable
surfaces,
where
we
make
an
allowance
in
the
sense
that
they're
supposed
to
cut
a
240
foot
square
foot
hole
in
that
in
impermeable
area,
which
side
now
becomes
permeable?
And
then
you
add
in
the
15,
whatever
is
left
over
1500
and
twenty
seven
square
feet
and
that's
the
impermeable
surface
that
you're
taking
out
with
a
tree.
A
So
the
numbers
all
hang
together
eventually
and
they
have
a
justification
which
is
always
good
with
these
things.
Well,
I'm
glad
I'm
glad.
C
A
Well,
the
the
history
of
this
is
that
it
replaced
an
ordinance
that
was
very
prescriptive
about
how
many
trees
you
had
to
plant
along
borders
and
in
parking
lots
and
so
on,
and
we
we
just
kept
having
to
get
variances
and
in
the
process
of
trying
to
figure
work,
a
better
version
of
that
ordinance.
A
We
discovered
that
small
property
owners
were
hit
harder
than
large
property
owners
were
in
terms
of
the
number
of
trees
per
acre,
and
so
the
that
that
that
was
where
we
came.
We
then
came
up
with
this
uniform
formula,
which
means
that
even
somebody
who's
just
dealing
with
with
one
apartment
basically
or
a
building,
that's
going
to
be
multiple
apartments.
I
guess
on
a
single
lot
has
to
plant.
A
No,
the
the
tree
spacing
is
for
30
feet,
yeah
and
if
you've,
you
know
many
of
the
lots
around
here
of
the
order
of
about
5
100
square
feet,
and
so
that's
three
three
trees.
And
if
you
go
up
to
dealing
with
acres
of
lots,
then
it's
so
many
trees
per
acre.
And
I
forget
the
number
at
the
moment
offhand
that
they
that
they
need
to
plant
to
get
the
coverage
that
we're
aiming
for.
C
C
A
Are
there
any
other
questions
comments
about
these
things?
As
I
say,
if,
if
you
want,
you
can
send
your
comments
to
me
and
I
will
forward
them
on
to
chris
file
or
you
can
send
them
directly
to
her
and
perhaps
just
just
copy
me
on
them.
J
I
I
do
not
at
this
point.
We
discussed
it
in
committee
again
this
year
and
I
thought
it
was
going
to
come
forward
the
following
monday
and
that's
when
you
and
I
both
received
that
that
email
saying
that
it
was
not
coming
to
to
first
read
so
we're
still
still
waiting
for
it
to
to
come
down.
Okay,
okay,
fine!
Thank
you.
C
J
That
could
yeah.
I
believe
that
is
going
to
be
the.
I
think.
At
this
point
there
was
from
the
far
east
side,
neighborhood
association.
There
was
a
little
bit
of
pushback
not
about
any
of
the
tree
stuff,
but
it
was
mostly
about
the
pollinator
gardens,
which
is
something
that
that
member
fall
is
trying
to
trying
to
address
in
this
legislation
because
burst.
J
You
know,
because
technically
right
now,
the
the
issue
an
incident,
I
think
that
drove
it
was
there
was
there
was
a
citizen
that
had
a
pollinator
garden
and
they
got
fined
the
the
fee
for
their
grasp
being
too
tall,
and
then
the
city
also
came
out
and
mowed
it
down.
Oh
gosh
yeah.
So
that
was
that
that
kind
of
that
situation
really
highlighted
that
that
there
was
a
new.
You
know
a
new,
a
new
format
that
people
wanted
to
participate
in.
J
You
know
in
their
yards
and
the
city
was
not
designed
for
it.
City
code
is
not
designed
to
handle
right
now
and
it's
a
complaint
driven.
You
know
situation.
So
if
you
have
a
neighbor
that
doesn't
like
the
look
of
your
pollinator
garden
technically
right
now,
they
could
they
could
they
could
phone
it
in
and
and
that's
when
the
city's
gonna
spring
into
action.
C
H
He
was
the
interim
one
and
he
said
as
long
as
you
tell
the
city
what
your
intentions
are,
then
they
will
basically
leave
you
alone,
but
she
had
gotten
some
notices
and,
and
she
hadn't
she
hadn't
been
able
to
resolve
it.
But
then,
after
we
went
in
together,
it
did
seem
to
be
the
end
of
the
the
problems
I
mean
she
was.
H
I
went
out
a
couple
of
times
and
saw
what
she
was
doing
and
she
was
basically
establishing
a
pollinator
garden
and
and
keeping
that
the
area
neat,
but
she
was
allowing
things
like
queen
anne's
lace
and
some
other
some
other
plants
that
had
arrived.
Naturally,
she
didn't
plant
them,
but
she
just
eliminated
the
other
plants
sort
of
edited.
J
Area
and
so,
and
my
understanding
was
the
pushback
was
that
they
there
was
fear
that
say
a
landlord
could
purchase
the
permit
to
have
a
pollinator
garden.
J
J
Than
incurring
the
the
you
know,
the
fine
that
you
would
get
if
you
you
let
your
lawn
grow
too
high.
C
I
wonder
if
the
complaint
is
now
running
against
her,
as
as
as
a
candidate.
A
Any
other
things
we
need
to
discuss
on
this
particular
item,
or
is
there
any
other
items
we
need
to
discuss
other
than
the
minutes
of
the
last
meeting.
A
A
A
We
we
just
passed
a
motion
which
it
doesn't
actually
say
that
it
just
says
a
motion
to
thank
commission
was
passed
unanimously.
I
need
to
put
that
into
the
minutes.
I
guess
that's
interesting.
H
Did
you
want
me
to
write
him
an
official
note
thanking
him.
A
A
Are
there
any
objections
to
approving
the
minutes
of
the
last
meeting
hearing
done?
We
have
minutes
of
our
last
meeting.
Our
next
meeting
is
planned
to
be
march,
the
11th,
and
as
soon
as
I
get
those
plans
from
david
riggs,
I
will
forward
them
on
to
people,
and
I
think
we
will
presume
that
they
will
be
on
the
agenda
for
that
march.
Meeting.