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From YouTube: Athens Shade Tree Commission - May 12, 2022
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Athens Shade Tree Commission - May 12, 2022
A
Great
thank
you
shade.
2
commission
is
now
started
for
may
12th.
All
members
of
the
commission
are
here
so
the
established
quorum.
We
need
to
approve
the
non-existent
april
2022
minutes
because
nobody
got
did
them,
so
I
will
go
back
and
review
and
make
some
minutes
for
those
from
the
tv
which
brings
us
to
ann.
Will
you
take
minutes
for
tonight.
Thank
you.
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B
B
B
B
So
so,
if
I
could
just
go
a
little
farther
along
that,
thus
the
state
of
ohio
has-
and
maybe
ann
could
help
me
with
this.
But
the
state
of
ohio
has
some
laws
and
regulations
in
place
that
the
tree
that
crosses
a
property
line.
The
neighbor
has
the
right
to
trim
the
limbs
on
that
tree
as
long
as
it
doesn't
hurt
or
damage
the
tree,
and
the
sets
city
has
kind
of
followed
that
policy.
B
B
E
So
I
agree
with
you:
david
local
political
subdivisions
have
the
obligation
and
the
authority
to
maintain
the
public
right-of-way.
But
you
know
it's
a
slippery
slope.
It
sets
a
really
expensive
precedent
to
start
pruning
trees
for
private
interests,
so
it
makes
perfect
sense
to
allow
property
owners.
You
know
with
a
permit
to
to
at
least
trim
branches
back
that
might
be
conflicting
with
their
house
or
their
their
wires.
I
think
it's
a
good
idea
to
still
maybe
provide
some
guidance.
E
You
know
maybe
an
arborist
list
down
the
road,
maybe
maybe
we
even
permit
arborists
kind
of
like
we
permit
plumbers
and
electricians
at
one
time
in
the
city
of
athens.
That
was
done.
So
if
a
homeowner
wanted
to
hire
an
arborist,
you
know
the
city
would
say:
hey.
Well,
here's
the
guys
that
are
girls.
You
know
people
that
are
able
to
do
work
in
the
city.
I
will
say
this
aep
and
their
contractors.
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B
If
I
could
clarify
just
a
little
bit,
the
state
law
says
that,
if,
if
the
trees
on
your
tree,
limb
is
on
your
property,
you
have
the
right
as
a
property
owner
to
trim
it.
That's
not
the
best
way,
and
it
wouldn't
be
my
recommendation
to
do
so.
If
you're
15
feet
away
from
the
tree
trunk
and
you're
trying
to
trim
some
limbs,
that
is
really
not
the
best,
not
the
greatest
for
the
tree.
B
D
Now
the
city
can
say
we
will
not
prosecute
somebody
if
they
cut
a
limb
if
it's
in
their
property
because
we're
following
some
other
guidelines,
but
I
think
that
the
clarification
that
I
would
like
to
make
and
might
have
to
be
made
in
code
is
yes,
this
is
our
tree.
Thank
you.
You've
asked
for
a
permit.
Here's
the
permit
we're
not
doing
the
trimming
ourselves.
According
to
our
guidelines.
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B
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E
Because
the
the
codes
that
drive
a
city
tree
care
program
are
all
about,
protecting
and
managing
that
right-of-way.
Okay,
the
the
code
that
you're
referring
to
is
between
private
property
owners
and
that's
related
to
insurance
and
and
and
liability
issues
like
between
you
know,
neighbors.
It's
called
neighbor
law
and
so
totally
different,
but
I
think
it'll
be
really
clear.
Once
we
go
through
tree
commission
academy,
it's
the
first
thing
that
we
discuss
at
tree
commission
academy.
E
D
I
agree
with
you
and
I
agree
with
you.
I
agree
with
both.
I
guess
what
I'm
trying
to
say
is
is
that
if
we
know
we're
going
to
look
at
tree
maintenance
and
tree
code,
this
is
one
of
those
things
that
if
we
have
to
clarify
that
we
do
encode
and
if
we
have
to
clarify
in
guidelines
which
is
separate.
We
do
that
too.
But
for
this
specific
situation,
I
really
like
what
you
said.
Thank
you,
for
you
know
submitting
your
tree.
Permit
you
did
it
exactly
right.
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E
Yeah
roxanna-
and
I
I
think
just
to
kind
of
summarize
what
you're
saying,
because
we
want
those
trees.
The
city
is
liable
if
the
tree
falls
down
and
hurts
somebody
in
the
right
of
way.
So
if
there
is
a
motivation
that
the
city
would
have,
even
if
there
is
a
branch,
that's
on
private
property,
because
we
want
those
trees
to
be
pruned
properly,
that's
correct
and
and
that'll
actually
help
if
they're
pruned
properly
they're
going
to
help
with
whatever
issue
that
property
owners
want.
D
D
Okay,
I
have
a
suggestion.
We
can
always
do
these
at
meetings,
which
is
once
a
month
I
sort
of
liked
it
in
the
past,
where
you
also
just
shot
us
an
email
that
said
hey.
You
know
this
is
something
that
needs
to
be
done.
You
know
get
it
done.
Maybe
it
goes
to
chris
if
chris
is
willing
to
be
the
wrangler
or
somebody
else,
but
I
hate
to
think
that
you
know
somebody
puts
in
a
permit
tomorrow
and
you
go
oh
well,
we'll
get
back
to
you
in
29
days.
D
A
E
Just
to
give
you
guys
some
ideas
of
what
other
cities
they
typically
do.
Try
to
respond
as
they
come
in
chillicothe,
for
example,
will
kind
of
appoint
every
tree.
Commissioner.
They
do
it
in
groups
of
two.
They
have
a
week
of
the
month
that
it's
their
job
to
review
tree
permits,
and
and
so
they
they
don't
they
they
don't
even
discuss
those
at
their
tree
commission
meetings,
they
they
make
their
recommendations,
they
go
to
the
service
director
and
then,
ultimately,
the
service.
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Come
on
now,
okay,
thank
you,
yeah,
I'm
matt.
Back
most
of
you
know
me,
I
teach
in
plant
biology
and
among
other
things,
I
look
at
urban
forest
and
athens
is
a
nice
convenient
site
to
my
thinking
to
understand
the
urban
forest.
You
have
to
think
about
it
in
terms
of
processes
of
births
of
entry
into
the
urban
forest
and
deaths
minus
from
it.
It's
sort
of
a
demography
of
the
urban
forest
now
births
means,
of
course,
planting
or
it
can
just
mean
recruitment
of
trees.
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G
G
Okay-
and
this
is
the
sort
of
data
they
get
if
this
axis
here
is
time
in
years,
and
the
vertical
axis
here
is
the
number
surviving,
the
log
of
the
number
of
surviving.
This
was
what
an
ecologist
would
call
a
survivorship
curve.
They
found
really
severe
mortality.
Okay.
That
means
the
curve
is
really
steep
here
and
most
of
the
mortality
is
due
to
planting
related
issues.
Okay,
the
trunk
is
scarred
or
it's
planted
too
deep
or
it's
planted
too
shallow,
or
something
like
that.
G
Okay,
this
sapling
we
just
put
in
is
a
great
deal
like
that
in
its
its
situation,
its
planning
circumstances
and
that's
just
not
the
nature
of
a
real
urban
forest.
So
a
proper
study
would
deal
with
variation
in
environmental
conditions,
and
I
suggest
that
a
good
way
to
approach
this
rather
than
marking
and
watching
individual
trees
is
to
use
aerial
photographs.
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It
covers
about
270
points
and
I
just
go
through
the
grid
and
I
look
at
the
ground
cover
at
each
grid.
Point
okay,
which
allows
me
to
describe
in
a
summary
fashion.
What's
what
we've
got
here
and
then
I
can
take
the
grid
and
I
can
go
back
20
years.
I
can
establish
the
same
grid
on
aerial
photographs
from
2000,
1980,
1960
and
1939,
so
we
can
see
how
land
use,
including
trees,
has
changed.
G
G
For
example,
there
we
have
the
the
central
core,
okay
of
the
city,
on
the
bluff
there
above
the
river
and
that's
distinctly
different
from
this
zone
up
here,
which
is
a
zone
of
steeper
slopes,
okay
and
then
we
of
course,
have
the
obvious
zone
there,
the
floodplain
okay.
So
I'm
asking
using
these
data:
how
are
trees
appearing
in
the
city
in
each
of
the
zones
and
how
are
they
disappearing
in
each
of
those
zones?.
G
G
Okay,
there's
actually
quite
a
lot
of
bare
ground
up
there,
which
is
pasture
now
between
so
in
1939.
You
could
even
call
us
an
agricultural
city,
although
we
don't
think
of
ourselves
in
those
terms
today,
between
1939
and
today,
2014
is
the
most
recent
imagery
I've
used.
A
lot
has
happened
in
athens.
The
population
has
at
least
doubled
in
1939.
We
had
about
12
000
people
in
the
city.
Today
we
have
something
like
26,
27
000..
G
You
can
see
that
this
texture
down
here
lawn
or
pasture-
I
can't
really
distinguish
them
in
aerial
photographs.
They're
lumped
together,
has
decreased
from
about
35
percent
of
the
landscape,
down
to
perhaps
10
percent
oldfield,
which
means
abandoned
agricultural
land
in
the
upper
left
here,
has
completely
disappeared.
G
At
the
same
time,
we
have
increased
the
amount
of
roof,
okay,
so
there's
more
construction
going
on
and
we
have
increased
the
amount
of
pavement
at
the
expense
of
the
old
field
and
the
the
pasture
and
the
amount
the
amount
of
trees.
The
coverage
by
trees
has
actually
increased
somewhat
after
going
through
a
pinch
point
here
around
1980.,
so
to
break
this
down
by
each
of
the
zones.
I
recognized
that's
what's
going
on
in
the
urban
core.
G
G
If
you
compare
that
with
the
flood
plain,
you
see
the
same
pattern,
except
very
little.
Rather
little
increase
in
roofs,
an
enormous
increase
in
pavement
between
1960
and
1980.,
so
we
have
the
same
pattern
of
economic
development,
but
it's
expressed
differently
in
the
urban
core
than
the
floodplain.
The
one
is
about
construction
building
out
buildings
and
in
the
the
floodplain
it's
about
pavement
now,
something
entirely
different
is
going
on
on
the
slopes.
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That
line
represents
all
the
trees
which
were
present
in
the
oldest
photograph.
Okay-
and
you
see
their
number
declines
through
time.
They
are
dying,
keep
in
mind.
This
is
a
log
scale.
So
the
the
decline
is
not
a
linear
representation
of
the
number
but
they're
dying
at
along
a
straight
trajectory,
more
or
less
straight,
which
means
they're
dying,
probably
for
random
reasons,
independent
of
one
another
and
they're
dying
at
a
constant
rate
through
the
study
period.
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G
So
if
we
separate
them
out
and
then
look
at
all
the
trees
that
were
first
appeared
in
the
photo
from
1960,
that
gives
you
the
second
curve
there
and
again
they're
dying,
they're
dying
along
a
straight
line
which
suggests
a
constant
rate
of
mortality
and
it's
more
or
less
parallel
with
the
the
first
curve
suggesting
that
they're
dying
for
much
the
same
reasons,
and
we
can
then
compare
that
with
those
that
first
appeared
in
the
2000
photos.
Now
you
may
notice
that
one
interval
is
is
missing
there.
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G
Come
on
do
it
there
we
go
the
second
bar.
There
are
all
the
trees
which
were
not
present
in
the
first
photo,
but
first
appeared
in
the
second
photo.
The
1960
photo
and
wow.
Look.
How
big
that
is.
That's
almost
as
many
trees
appeared
between
1960
and
1980,
as
were
present
in
the
first
set
of
photos.
So
there
were
a
lot
of
tree
recruitment
between
1939
and
1960.
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G
On
the
other
hand,
if
we
compare
that
with
the
floodplain
wow,
trees
are
dying
on
the
floodplain,
especially
old,
trees.
Okay,
for
some
reason,
it
is
particularly
risky
to
be
a
large
tree
on
the
floodplain,
and
the
pattern
of
recruitment,
though,
is
strongly
episodic,
similar
to
the
urban
core
so
into
each
of
these
environmental
zones.
G
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G
In
contrast,
mortality
has
been
more
or
less
consistent
over
the
last
80
years
and
there's
a
strong
contrast
between
the
different
regions
of
the
city,
and
you
can
understand
them
in
terms
of
two
general
processes:
first,
economic
development
and
second
natural
ecological
succession.
So
there
are
two
at
least
two
drivers
here
and
working
together.
They
result
in
very
different
age
structures
and
density
of
trees
in
different
parts
of
the
city,
so
mortality
and
births
come
together
to
create
the
overall
structure
of
the
forest.
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A
E
A
A
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E
E
E
Chillicothe
probably
does
about
a
hundred
and
logan's
had
years
where
they
did
around
100,
but
I
think
consistently
logan
started
out
doing
25
or
50.,
and
it
was
what
they
could.
You
know
they
they
only
planted
where
people
wanted
them
and
were
people
committed
to
taking
care
of
them.
That
was
key.
You
know
they
didn't
start
out
by
saying
we're
going
to
plant
40,
trees
up
and
down
main
street
and
then
watch
them
all
die
over
the
next.
You
know
you
guys
have
actually
done
really
well
with
some
of
your
big
plantings.
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G
D
So
we
we
talk
about
three
zones
and
I
think
that's
important,
but
also
athen
is
composed
of
neighborhoods.
Yes,
and
you
know,
when
we
listen
to
rachel
and
she
talked
about
equity
in
neighborhoods,
I'm
wondering
can
we
look
at
the
data?
You
have
and
also
look
at
coverage
within
the
neighborhoods
and
whether
or
not
there
is
equity
of
the
tree.
Canopy
coverage.
G
D
But
I
would
imagine
that
it,
you
could
probably
look
at
it
at
the
greater
scale
and
then
decide
whether
or
not
you
wanted
to
go
to
a
finer
scale.
I
I
would
imagine
that
it
might
be
a
gross
difference
or
you
know,
and
I
yeah
so
I
I
would
be
interested
in
that,
because
we
certainly
have
people
in
the
east
neighborhood
who
have
been
definitely
talking
about
inequities
there.
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D
A
Be
home
later,
honey,
okay,
so
feed
the
kitties,
so
okay.
So
what
I
I
now
would
like
to
to
have
this
discussion
that
we
started
a
couple
times
with
what
glenn
was
doing
and
talking
about
what?
What
I'd
like
to
do?
I
kind
of
thought
of
the
idea
of
flushing
out
a
like
a
calendar
for
our
year,
because,
what's
happened
in
the
past
is
arbor
day
comes
around
in
our
october,
our
arbor
day
or
that's
when
the
application
is
due
for
tree
city
and
then
it's
like.
A
A
In
addition
to
looking
another
section
that
we
have
to
review
is
all
our
processes
and
our
paperwork
sort
of
prop.
So
that's
a
that's
another
area
that
we
need
to
review
and
then
that's
the
procedures
and
the
permits
and
make
sure
that
we
know
what
we're
doing
and
that
will
include
lisa
and
some
that
will
result.
Maybe
in
some
code
changes
and
so
does.
The
education
part
include,
I'm
let's
wait
and
then
then
the
third
one
is
my
notes.
Wait
wait
again
date,
one
number
two:
okay,
education.
A
D
A
J
E
C
J
A
So,
stakeholders
right
yeah,
right,
okay,
so
one
of
the
things
that
catherine
and
I
did
was.
We
went
and
talked
with
andrew
about
the
process
of
doing
the
tree
city
process
and
making
sure
that
we
calendarize
it
so
that
we
can
make
it
so
katherine's
been
doing
some
work
on
that
so
she's
going
to
give
a
little
talk,
I
think
maybe
what
we
might
want
to
do
after
catherine.
Talks
about
the
tree
city
thing
is
to
have
a
discussion
about
what
sort
of
events
we
would
maybe
want.
I
thought.
F
Oh
yeah,
well,
I
was
also
gonna
backtrack
and
say
it's
probably
a
good
thing.
David
gave
us
our
codified
duties
and
responsibilities,
and
it's
good
to,
I
think,
helpful,
to
link
all
these
things,
we're
going
to
do
with
the
priorities
that
we're
required
to
do,
which
I
think
they
do
fall,
but
I
just
keep
seeing
a
little
list
of
points
as
far
as
tree
city.
The
application
opens
in
september
the
process,
but
I
think
it's
way
too
early
for
us
to
submit.
F
F
A
community
forestry
program
that
spends
at
least
two
dollars
per
capita
annually
and
andrew
can
he's
got
all
his
numbers
at
his
fingertips
and
it
adds
up
pretty
quickly
and
then
the
proclamation
and
celebration
of
arbor
day.
Let's
see
so,
I
wondered
in
sending
out,
I
sent
out
a
thing
today
to
everyone
and
it
didn't
get
to.
F
F
J
F
But
for
the
large
data
sets
that
we
are
sending
around
they,
they
won't
go
on
some
emails.
That's
just
that's
totally.
That's
a
side
point
we
are
also.
Maybe
this
is
a
decision
we're
also
eligible
for
a
tree,
a
tree
city,
growth
award
and
they're.
I
counted
up
there's
like
87.
They
have
a
list
of
87
things
and
you
had
and
you
could
have
in
order
to
earn
10
points.
I
think
it
would
be
pretty
easy
for
us,
as
I
look
at
the
list
to
do
that.
F
D
F
F
D
J
J
D
A
And
whatever
other
things
that
we
decide
with
our
discussion
with
our
other
stakeholders,
which
could
be
neighborhood
associations
and
those
sort
of
things.
So
as
a
subcommittee
there,
catherine
and
I
and
whoever
wants
else
to
be
on
that
subcommittee
and
then
we
can
make
a
report
like
next
meeting,
perfect
and
stuff.
A
A
With
that,
too,
totally
happy
to
have
you,
okay
and
then
the
actual
tree
numbers.
I
think
what
we
want
to
do
at
some
point.
We're
going
to
want
to
look
like
and
you
you
send
us
plans
all
the
time
tree
plans
all
the
time,
and
I
think
it
would
help
for
everybody
to
look
at
those
and
see
which
ones
you
know
sing
to
us
about.
You
know
either
how
they
do
it,
how
it's
presented
the
type
of
data
and
how
they
present
it
so
that
we
can
get
the
best.
A
E
A
C
J
F
E
A
I
E
E
D
D
But
what
should
happen
is
is
that
everything
that
you
send
should
go
into
like
a
folder
tree
plan
procedure,
and
so
that
way,
when
we
actually
need
it
in
real
time,
we
can
go
back
and
go
that's
right
and
put
that
dump
that
in
this
folder
and
now
it's
there
rather
than
me,
sorting
through
the
emails.
Looking
for
what
what
you
actually
have
given
me.
So
you
don't.
A
D
B
D
A
E
And
any
time
that
you
can't
find
something-
and
you
just
want
something-
just
take
a
shot
and
email
me,
because
my
phone
is
always
on
me
and
I'm
I'm
happy
to
you
know:
I've
got
calendars,
you
know
sample
calendars
and
all
that
which
I'm
gonna
send
you
when
I
get
home
but
yeah.
So
I
apologize
for
that
yeah!
No!
That's
because
you're
right,
it's
hard
to
look
at
them
when
they're
all
lined
out
and
there's
four
things.
Four
attachments.
A
H
E
F
E
Did
you
send
those
out
so
that
was
done
in
1992
and
that
was
tree
by
tree
and
then
in
the
early
2000s,
jackie
klopfer,
yeah
yeah,
so
she
she
did
a
quite
a
bit
of
work
and
compared
the
two.
It's
quite
fascinating.
I
mean
you
have
enough
data,
you
know
a
lot
like
I
mean
just
just.
I
think
you
know
more
than
most
of
the
towns.
You
know
that
I
serve
so
that's
that's
a
lot
right.
A
That,
yes
and
we
need
to
be
able
to
that's
the
equity
issue
yeah,
we
need
to
be
able
to
figure
out
how
we're
going
to
collect
the
data
and
whether
you
know
the
imagery
or
doing
what
glenn
does
and
write
the
questions
down.
You
know,
like
the
equity
question,
is
a
really
important
one.
An
age
question
might
be
really
important.
You.
H
D
E
And
the
purpose,
so
I
see
I
I
would
approach
it
completely
different
and
and
that
and
I'm
not
necessarily
right
what
I
would
think
is
you
guys
need
to
establish
a
budget.
So
to
be
a
tree
city.
You
got
to
spend
two
bucks
per
capita.
You
should
be
planting
trees
every
year,
so
you
know
you've
got
all
summer
to
find
tree
planting
spots,
but
yeah.
D
E
E
I
mean
I'm
not
trying
to
discount
the
equity
stuff
and
all
that
it's
all
important,
but
you
have
go
where
there's
good
soil,
where
you
know,
people
that
will
take
care
of
them
start
out
with
do
do
do
ten
trees,
this
fall
and
see,
and
let's
not
wait
and
you
did
a
great
job
with
west
state
street,
but
remember
how
like
that
was
so
frantic
and
it
was.
But
but
this
you've
got
time
well.
D
You
know,
could
would
you
be
willing
to
watch
the
tree
if
we
planted
it
and
then
the
recommendation
from
shade
tree
was
don't
do
it?
That
way,
have
people
come
to
you
and
say
that
they
want
the
trees?
So
I
I
hear
what
you're
saying
and
we've
already
accounted
for
40
trees
that
are
going
to
be
planted.
D
A
leftover
from
last
year,
but
you're
absolutely
right
that
in
the
future,
but
here's
my
caution
when
we
had
katherine
ann
here-
and
we
were
talking
about
tree
planting
priorities-
she
got
irritated
with
us
because
she
said
that
was
her
purview
and
that
we
could
make
recommendations.
But
she
very
much
wanted
to
be
the
decision
maker
on
the
park.
Trees.
D
D
So
whoever
is
on
this
third
committee
has
to
understand
that
there's
going
to
be
some
interfacing
with
ann,
because
she's
going
to
be
able
to
tell
you
soil
structure
and
where
the
trees
are
going
to
do.
Well,
you
have
to
interface
with
catherine
ann.
You
have
to
interface
with
building,
because
that's
where
we
ran
into
problems
with
west
state
street
was
is
that
we
didn't
get
their
building
plans
properly.
E
D
J
C
A
J
C
And
I
was
thinking
that
we
could
maybe
identify
some
place
that
we
could
see
that
in
the
future.
By
planting
a
few
here
and
a
few
there,
and
maybe
some
of
the
celebratory
trees
build
a
beautiful
spot
in
our
in
our
community.
That
people
could
really
pressure
treasure
in
and
look
up
to,
and
we
could
sell.
J
A
J
D
I
F
D
A
D
H
E
E
Usually
the
right-of-way
again
it's
going
to
vary
and
david
would
be
the
person
on
this,
but
usually
it'll
go
a
foot
or
two
behind
the
sidewalk
but
cities.
There
is
a
precedent
for
planting
behind
sidewalks,
even
on
private
property,
with
public
trees.
A
lot
of
cities
are
doing
that
because
the
they
do
trees
do
so
much
better
and.
E
D
We
for
33
of
them
right
now
yeah,
but
it's
just
that's
assuming
that
the
city
sticks
to
their
plans
and
wants
to
fill
out
the
rest
of
west
state
but
they're
they
haven't
finished
the
construction.
So
I
don't
know
if
they're
going
to
be
ready.
It
might
be
that
we
have
to
come
up
with
alternate
planning
planting
sites
so
yeah,
that's
something
we'll
have
to
look
into.
But
right
now
the
mayor
had
stated
when
he
gave
us
the
five
thousand
dollars
that
he
did
want
most
of
that
designated
to
west
states.
So.