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Athens Shade Tree Commission - February 10, 2022
A
A
I
wanted
to
introduce
several
people
who
are
in
attendance
tonight
or
actually
more
correctly,
allow
them
to
introduce
themselves.
So
that
way,
you
know
who
they
are
just
as
a
casual
introduction
for
myself.
A
B
B
E
E
Excellent
chris,
I'm
chris
paul,
I'm
new
to
the
commission
so.
A
But
certainly
not
new
to
the
city,
no,
so
having
people
on
campus
don't
recognize
my
name
but
yeah.
Having
done
many
initiatives,
helping
behind
the
scenes
or
actually
in
front
of
the
scenes,
maybe
more
than
we
are
with
council,
getting
some
really
great
language
in
the
munich
code
for
trees.
So
thank
you.
Ben.
F
G
A
I
A
One
of
the
things
that
we
have
talked
about
with
shadri
commission
for
a
while
is
how
important
it
is
for
the
commission
to
work
closely
with
the
city,
and
I
think
that
since
I
started,
we've
had
individual
relationships
with
each
one
of
you,
but
it
means
a
lot
that
you
are
willing
to
come
out
here
tonight
to
to
join
us,
because
I
think
it's
really
going
to
facilitate
some
of
the
conversations
that
we
want
to
have
in
the
municipalities
towards
the
city
I
mean,
and
a
lot
of
it
is,
is
that
we
are
advisors
to
the
city,
but
we
also
need
to
hear
from
the
city
what
are
your
priorities,
and
how
can
we
help
you?
A
You
know
people
think
about
the
shade
tree
commission
and
they
go.
What
is
that
and
a
lot
of
it
is
caring
for
trees
that
are
in
the
city
right
away,
but
we
also
oversee
other
programs,
including
the
pollinator
garden
program.
Athens
and
bloom
is
also
a
part
of
shade
tree
commission
in
an
unusual
way,
so
we're
going
to
go
through
several
agenda
items
tonight
and
hopefully
we're
just
going
to
have
a
really
good
conversation.
A
There
are
some
things
that
are
on
the
agenda
where
we
be
half
the
table,
because
we
just
don't
have
enough
information
and
then
there
are
other
things
that
we're
gonna.
You
know
just
have
a
lively
conversation,
so
I
would
encourage
everybody
to
participate
okay,
so
the
first
thing
on
the
agenda
is
the
election
of
the
officers
and
major
mayor.
Steve
patterson
was
not
able
to
join
us
today
and
to
swear
in
our
officers,
but
we
have
been
told
that
we
are
all
for
real
and
can
actually
proceed
with
the
meeting
tonight,
which
is
good.
A
We
have
minutes
from
the
december
2021
meeting.
I
was
wondering
if
people
on
council
had
read
those
meeting
minutes
I
have
so.
I
would
like
to
vote
for
approval.
Do
I
have
a
second
second?
Okay?
Does
anybody
have
any
objections?
A
All
in
favor,
aye,
okay,
the
minutes
for
december
2021
are
approved.
As
part
of
that,
I
just
wanted
to
thank
some
of
our
colleagues
who
have
stepped
down
from
their
positions
and
just
to
say
we
are
eternally
grateful,
especially
to
david
ingram,
for
his
leadership
for
many
years.
Trust
me
he
will
be
missed
if
he
were
here.
I
would
not
be
in
the
seat
right
now,
so
we
do
have
our
guests
who
we
have
introduced
and
once
again
I
wanted
to
thank
you
for
being
a
part
of
this
meeting
today.
A
I
The
code
office
doesn't
have
anything
for
the
shade
tree
for
the
title.
33
tree
permits
right
away
issues
or
public
lands,
issues
for
planting.
A
Trees:
okay,
one
thing-
and
you
can
tell
me
dave
if
it
falls
within
that
or
or
title
37
it's
sort
of
in
between,
I
think-
is
the
celebratorian
memorial
tree
application.
You
gave
us
a
copy
of
the
application
and
you're
going
to
be
sending
us
an
electronic
copy
for
our
approval.
That's.
I
Actually
found
in
title
37
landscaping,
ordinance,
okay,
the
celebration
tree
as
well
as
a
couple
of
the
pollinator
garden
stuff.
Those
are
all
title:
37.
I
A
Right
we'll
break
bringing
that
up
as
a
discussion
item
after
if
that's
okay
as
a
separate
issue,
but
yes,
we
will
be
discussing
that
okay.
So
moving
on
from
title
33
back
to
where
I
was
with
the
celebration
memorial
tree,
we
do
have
an
application
which
says
that
somebody
can
purchase
a
tree
for
a
hundred
dollars
payable
to
athens
and
that
tree
will
be
maine
for
three
years.
A
I
can
tell
you
that
my
concern
with
that
is
that
when
we
went
and
looked
at
the
tree
bank
and
we
estimated
the
cost
for
trees
and
also
for
the
maintenance,
the
planting
and
the
maintenance
that
cost
comes
out
to
closer
to
225
dollars
per
tree.
A
I
I
A
So
I'm
not,
I
don't
think
we're
going
to
solve
it
tonight,
but
I
do
think
it's
important
for
us
to
look
and
to
ask
the
city
is
that
a
realistic
cost?
Also
and
and
talking
you
know
with
kevin?
You
know
from
your
area:
it's
not
clear
that
the
city
always
has
the
capacity
to
plant
trees.
A
You
know
there
are
times
where
you
know
grounds.
Crews
have
the
extra
capacity,
but
there's
also
times
when
they
don't,
and
that's
why
we
contracted
externally.
A
H
It
really
is
a
function
of
quantity
in
any
given
year
right,
so
you
know
if
you
have
a
year
where
there's
a
tremendous
interest
in
the
program,
to
the
extent
that
you're
looking
at
you
know
a
dozen
or
a
couple,
dozen
people
who
want
to
purchase
a
tree
and
subsequently
have
the
city
staff
plant
and
maintain
that
creates
a
burden.
It
really
does.
If
it's,
if
it's
less
than
a
dozen,
if
it's
less
than
six
and
if
it's
well
projected
you
know,
we
absolutely
can
do
that.
H
You
know
in
inside
the
the
confines
of
our
of
our
other
duties.
You
know,
typically,
when
you
plant
trees,
you
plant
them
early
in
the
spring
or
late
in
the
fall,
I
mean
that's
the
time
frame
that
you
really
want
to
put
trees
in
the
ground,
and
so,
if
there
is
a
applicant
who
wants
to
do
this
and
who
approaches
the
city
in
advance,
you
know
several
months
in
advance
and
and
this
this
body
gets
a
chance
to
review
it
suggest
locations
and
then
and
then
use
the
program.
I
think
we
can.
H
We
can
put
it
in
the
in
in
the
queue.
Basically,
the
other
work
that
we
do
and
allow
the
applicant
to
purchase
it.
They
pay
their
application
fee
and
then
we
get
it
all
scheduled
and
planned
and
and
the
city
plants
it.
And
but
if
we
have
a
situation
where,
where
someone
comes
and
say
hey,
I
want
to
buy
12
trees
and
put
them
in
the
ground
next
week,
and
I
want
you
guys
to
put
on
the
ground
next
week.
H
We
can't
do
that,
and
so
that
would
be
where
I
would
say
you
know,
I
don't
somebody
who's
interested
in
purchasing
a
tree
under
this
program.
I
don't
want
to
dissuade
them
by
making
it
onerous
it's
just.
I
can't
do
you
know
lots
of
them,
and
that
would
be
where
I
guess
I
would
I
would.
I
would
draw
the
line.
E
One
one
of
the
discussion
that
we
did
have
when
we
were
developing
this
program
was
that
you
know
you
can
have
a
certain
number
of
slots
per
you
know
growing
or
or
planting
you
know,
there's
four
each
spring
and
four
each
you
know,
and
people
just
sign
up
for
them.
E
The
other
thing
is
is
that
we
did
think
some
about
a
sliding
scale,
with
with
some
help
for
people
who
were
lower
income
and
stuff,
and
that's
something
you
know
with
some
of
the
other
programs
that
we've
done
with
the
sliding
scale,
which
is
something
that
we
can
do
as
a
as
a
community
service
sort
of
thing
too,
because
I
wouldn't
want
to
always
have
this
other
issue
of
always
having
it
so
expensive.
So
thank
you.
A
A
I
also
hear
what
you're
saying
andy
about
you
know
resources,
but
is
a
hundred
dollars
the
right
number,
and
I
don't
know
that
it
is,
and
I
think
that
what
I
would
ask
is
is
that
before
we
put
out
this
revised
document
that
we
do
think
about
that,
because
once
it's
on
that
document,
it's
on
that
document,
and
I
think
that
what
you're
hearing
from
at
least
me
on
shade
tree
and
others
is-
is
that
that
that
cost
should
be
considered.
I
H
For
approval
just
make
sure
we
take
that
to
that
point
I
don't
mean
to
speak
over
david.
A
Well,
as
I
said
right
now,
we
we
have,
you
know
a
bid
from
an
external
contractor
that
says
it's
closer
to
150
and
that's
assuming
that
it's
not
the
price
of
the
tree.
It's
it's
the
planting
and
the
maintenance
for
one
year
and
you're
doing
it
for
three
years.
So
I
think
that
150
is
probably
the
lowest
that
you
want
to
go
so
that
that's
would
be
my
recommendation.
How
how
do
you
all
feel
about
that.
B
B
E
Possibly
a
memorial
plow.
That
was
the
other
one
of
the
other
discussions
about
where
that
funding
comes
in
and
how
much
more
that
would
be
for
the
people.
If
you
want
to
have
a
plaque
with
it,.
B
A
So
at
this
point,
if
this
is
going
to
require
not
only
revisions
to
the
document,
does
it
require
changes
to
code,
in
addition
and
then
also
it
needs
to
go
before
council.
You
know
at
this
point.
E
F
A
H
A
Okay,
we
can
do
that:
okay,
okay,
excellent,
okay,
any
other
title,
37
landscape,
ordinance
issues.
I
know
of
one.
A
We
have
a
pollinator
application
request
and
it's
actually
from
me
and
it
went
to
code
and
it's
back
now
in
our
hands.
So
we
haven't
had
a
chance
to
look
yeah.
A
We
haven't
had
a
chance
to
review
it
yet,
but
that
will
be
reviewed
by
one
of
our
shade
tree
commissioners
other
than
me,
and
that
will
go
back
to
david.
Now
as
part
of
the
pollinator
garden,
we
did
post
the
guidelines.
They
are
on
the
shade
tree
commission
webpage
now,
along
with
several
references
and
resources
for
people
who
are
interested
in
pollinator
gardens.
A
I
D
E
D
E
A
So
david,
can
I
task
you
with
that
too.
Just
as
an
update
to
the
committee
for
the
next
meeting,
I
will
update
you
on
or
any
other
plaques
that
seem
appropriate,
okay,
good
anything
else
on
title
37,
all
right,
so
we're
always
talking
about
the
maintenance
of
the
tree
canopy-
and
I
don't
know
if
it
exactly
fits
in
here.
It
might
have
fit
somewhere
else,
but
we
do
have
one
thing
where
we
did
get
a
list
from
andrew.
A
It's
the
list
from
aep
that
lists
all
the
streets
in
athens
that
will
be
having
tree
trimming
within
the
next
several.
I
guess,
weeks
months
we
have
lists
of
streets,
but
we
don't
actually
have
times.
A
In
addition,
we
have
had
an
issue
in
the
past
where
we're
pretty
good
at
planting
trees
and
even
maintaining
them
for
their
first
year,
but
then
we
don't
prune
them,
and
that
has
led
to
a
few
issues
for
trees
and
we
have
talked
about
a
maintenance
plan.
A
That's
important
now
my
concern
is:
is
that
while
shade
tree
is
advisory,
we
don't
actually
go
out
and
do
the
planning
and
the
pruning,
and
that
is
something
that
the
city
does,
and
I
think
what
I
would
suggest
is
that
the
city
come
up
with
a
plan
and
then
tell
us
where
we
can
be
of
assistance,
whether
it
be
that
you
know
we
or
the
city
needs
to
go
and
have
training
to
actually
provide
this.
Some
of
us
have
gone
through
some
pruning
training.
A
I
don't
know
how
the
rest
of
you
feel,
but
I
would
like
the
city
to
come
to
us
with
the
plan
rather
than
us
necessarily
dictating
the
plan.
There
are
a
lot
of
plans
out
there.
Various
cities
have
various
maintenance
plans,
I
mean
we
can
provide
them
to
you
and
bonner
has
given
them
to
us
and
at
first
we
were
just
gonna
go.
This
is
what
we
should
do.
You
know
every
year.
We
should
be
doing
this,
but
if
we're
not
actually
doing
the
work,
does
it
make
sense
for
us
to
be
dictating
the
terms?
E
I
think
that
we
can
dictate
terms
to
the
point
where
you
identify
the
best
management
practices
that
have
to
be
done
all
the
management
practices
that
have
to
be
done
for,
for
example,
having
an
arborist
sort
of
thing,
that
that
would
be
what
we
would
like
to
see
when
they
do.
D
E
Management,
I
I
think
that
there's
maintenance
planning
that
needs
to
happen
and
some
of
the
other
type
of
planning,
just
general
management
planning
on
some
of
these
areas.
D
E
F
I
think
it's
pretty
fair
to
maybe
a
little
bit
of
give
and
take
you
know.
I
mean
it's
important
for
this
commission
to
help
inform
the
city
on
how
it
makes
decisions
with
trees,
that's
sort
of
the
role
of
this
body,
but
it
is
also,
of
course,
important
to
take
into
account.
You
know
the
finite
resources
that
the
city
has
for
maintaining
all
kinds
of
things
already.
So
finding.
E
We
need
to
hit
make
a
budget
ask
for
a
budget
for
this
sort
of
thing,
so
that
it's
a
line
item.
I
know
that
the
budgeting
process
already
went
through,
but
something
like
that
for
all
the
maintenance
and
all
the
other
programic
activities
that
hopefully
will
help
be
happening.
I
think
that
that's
something
that
anne
and
I
talked
before
in
the
meeting
and
she's
she
said
budget
yeah.
She
kept
saying
she
kept
saying
budget.
A
That's
it!
No.
I
agree.
You
know
when
I,
when
I
joined
and
one
of
the
things
that
you
know
the
mayor
had
specifically
asked
me
to
bring
to
the
committee
when
I
joined
was
that
we
had
this
enormous
tree
bank
and
we
weren't
using
the
trees,
and
it
became
apparent
really
quickly
that
one
of
the
reasons
why
we
weren't
using
them
was
because
we
didn't
have
the
money
to
plant
them.
I
mean
the
trees
in
the
tree
bank.
Just
so,
you
know,
are
two
inch
diameter
at
breast
height.
A
Just
to
give
you
an
idea,
that's
like
300
pounds
of
tree
they're,
big
trees,
they're,
not
little
itty-bitty
trees,
and
so
they
really
do
take
quite
a
bit
to
to
plant
and
to
to
maintain-
and
you
know
so-
I
did
work
with
steve
and
we
got
our
five
thousand
dollar
budget.
It
wasn't
actually
a
line
item.
It
was
something
that
andrew
chickie
just
was
able
to
sneak
in
there
and
you're
right
the
same
thing.
This
year
we
were
told
five
thousand
dollar
budget,
but
once
again
it
wasn't
a
line
item.
A
So
I
think
that
that
is
something
that
we
need
to
work
towards,
because
andrew's,
like
you
know,
I
can
sort
of
sneak
five
thousand
dollars
into
the
budget.
But
if
I
know
it's
a
line
item,
we
can
actually
give
you
more
money,
and
we
know
that
shade
tree
did
give
the
city
recommendations
where
they
thought
trees
should
go,
especially
in
the
near
east
neighborhood.
A
But
in
addition,
the
city
also
has
priority
for
planting
trees
and
the
west
state
park,
so
the
trees
that
we
purchased
last
year
have
not
been
planted
yet
because
construction
was
not
done
and
then
the
ground
froze,
hopefully,
construction
will
be
done.
Ground
will
thought,
please
god
and
then
we'll
be
planting
some
trees
right.
G
Are
you
talking
about
west
state
street
park?
Yes,
those
trees.
A
D
D
A
A
Okay,
so
now
we
have
a
couple
discussion
items
I
did
mention
the
asplun
update
on
the
work
for
aep,
so
we
will
be
having
trees
being
maintained.
A
Okay,
moving
on
neighborhood
tree
planting
in
the
right-of-way
review
draft
letter
to
property
owners,
so
andrew
did
draft
a
letter
that
basically
he
believes-
and
I
concur
that
it's
really
important
for
the
city
to
work
with
the
neighborhood
when
they
want
to
plant
a
tree.
A
Ideally,
you
know
the
people
want
to
have
a
tree,
believe
it
or
not.
There
are
actually
people
who
don't
want
trees
in
their
property.
That's
probably
none
of
us,
but
the
thought
is
is
that
if
we
involve
them
in
the
process
and
and
let
them
help
decide
what
trees
are
being
planted,
that
they
will
keep
an
eye
on
those
trees
and
help
maintain
them
and
assume
ownership
of
them,
even
if
they
are
in
the
the
cities
right
away?
So
I
don't
know
if
anybody
looked
at
the
draft.
I
also
suggested
some
changes.
A
E
I'd
like
to
make
yeah
please
some
of
some
of
the
things
that
will
probably
come
forward
when
we
talk
about
some
of
the
other
projects
like
arbor
day
and
stuff
have
been
probably
being
floated
around
for
the
last
three
years
from
you
know,
athens
beautification
day
not
happening
and
those
sort
of
things
which
I
think
we
can
reuse
all
those,
but
something
that,
like
nancy
walker-
and
I
were
talking
about
with
the
letter-
is
that
if
we
also
make
a
very
educational,
bling
bag
to
go
with
it
and
they
get
a
t-shirt
and
a
coupon,
a
brochure
on
how
to
prune
the
tree
and
some
information
like
that,
so
that
you
know
they
can
talk
about
it
and
it's
an
exciting
kind
of
event
for
them
and
that
they
would
be
our
own
best
ambassadors
afterwards.
E
But
some
other
towns
do
that
sort
of
thing
and
we
have
people
who
make
you
know
reusable
bags
out
of
feed.
You
know
bee
bags
and
stuff.
E
So,
okay,
I
think
that
one
thing
the
city
does
not
a
good
job
of
is
advertising
and
making
known
our
amazing
projects
that
we
do,
and
so,
if
we
do
things
like
that,
they're
more
likely
to
get
a
little
bit
of
unearned
media
or
earned
media
or
something
maybe
they
won't
ignore
us,
but
that
that's
something
that
we
do
have
to
think
about
when
we're
doing
these
projects.
A
A
Arbor
day
is
on
the
next
one
on
the
agenda.
Yes,
maybe
we
can
kill.
A
Yeah,
yes,
that
could
absolutely
happen.
Shadri,
commissioners,
ourselves
do
not
need
to
do
it,
but
there
has
to
be
somebody
from
shade
tree
commission
who
is
willing
to
take
lead
that
initiative,
because
that's.
E
Again
that
we
have
to
do
first
for
the
tree
usa
program
right
the
arbor
tray
arbor
day,
programs
that
we
have.
E
C
E
We
have
to
do
some
type
of
arbor
day
event
this
year
in
order
to
fulfill
our
tree
commission,
our
tree
usa
program.
So
that's
something
that
I
know
that
that
that
why
I
know
that
is
because
and
said
it
to
me
multiple
times.
So
that's
why
I
have
it
in
my
mind.
I
Technically,
what
happens
with
most
shae
tree
commissions
is
that
the
shade
tree
commission
does
that
that's
part
of
their
duties
is
to
actually
do
the
arbor
day
events,
so
that
then
they
can
have
the
the
application
that
goes
through
the
mayor
to
ann
and.
A
We
on
the
shade
tree
commission
have
at
least
four
main
duties
that
we
do
and
right
now
we
have
a
committee
of
active
members
of
about
four
members,
so
that
means
that
each
one
of
us
is
already
assigned
to
one
of
our
major
duties
that
we
must
cover
because
of
code,
and
I
think
I
will
speak
on
behalf
of
the
commission.
A
If
that's
okay,
we
are
very
eager
to
do
more,
but
we
need
more
people
up
here
in
order
to
help
us
do
that,
and
I
he
you
know,
I
think
that
we
need
to
prioritize
what
is
in
code
and
then
we
then
can
proceed
to
what
we
think
is
the
next
best
thing
to
do
and
sha
the
the
tree
city.
You
know,
usa,
I
think,
is
important.
A
A
Having
already
overseeing
the
pollinator
garden
initiative
in
athens
and
bloom,
and
you
know,
I
think
that
the
commissioners
may
begin
to
volunteer
for
other
activities
so
david.
I
I
absolutely
hear
what
you're
saying
and
if
that
is
the
city's
priority,
as
the
next
thing
that
shade
tree
should
do
that
fifth
item,
then
we
need
to
have
that
discussion
and
we
need
to
to
commit
to
that.
A
A
E
One
thing
we
did
with
the
sustainability
commission:
they
started
out
having
five
people
and
they
were
doing
such
an
awesome
job.
We
gave
them
more
city
council
can
do
that
through
the
whatever.
I
think
that
that
could
be
a
totally
logical
thing
too,
of
having
more
people
just
not
not
five.
There's
five
right
now,
five
voting
members,
two
alternates,
don't
know.
E
Maybe
we
make
the
alternets
real
members,
because
you
know,
but
that's
something
I
agree:
sustainability
commission
did
awesome
stuff
after
they
got
the
extra
two
people,
one
of
the
things
that
the
commission
is
that
it
can
have
one
person
outside
of
the
city
be
on
it.
E
How
the
code
that
that
gives
birth
to
the
commission
is
written,
so
I.
E
A
So
david,
I
hope
I'm
not
being
unfair,
and
I've
definitely
heard
you
say
and
andrew
has
also
expressed
real,
a
real
desire
to
have
shade
tree
to
take
that
over
and
I'm
not
saying
no
I'm
just
saying
I
personally
would
not
have
capacity
and
other
members
would
have
to
step
forward
and
say
that
that
was
something
that
we
would
do
before.
We
wrote
it
into
code
and
said
that
we
would
do
it
so.
I
D
Who
has
a
city
forest.
I
Program
or
you
have
a
tree
commission
that
takes
care
of
the
arbor
day.
Those
are
the
only
two
ways
you
can
have
a
tree
city,
usa,
and
that
I
I
thought
would
have
been
the
one
the
base
requirements
or
the
base
needs
for
the
city.
If
you
wanted
to
maintain,
excuse
me
maintain
a
tree
city.
Usa.
You
have
to
have
the
tree
commission.
A
D
H
And
and
roxanne,
if
you
don't
mind,
if,
if
I
can
go
ahead
and
jump
in
and
give
you
a.
D
H
History
from
my
perspective,
so
I've
been
with
this
city
since
november
of
2003
in
a
variety
of
different
capacities
and
what
I've
watched
from
a
city
staff
perspective.
H
We've
had
an
arborist
not
because
there's
a
position
for
a
city
arborist
on
the
books,
but
because
somebody
in
a
department
at
a
given
point
in
time
has
gone
ahead
and
sought
the
education
and
certification
to
be
that
yep,
and
then
they
move
positions
to
somewhere
else
to
where
they
they
no
longer
was
it
appropriate
to
be
in
that
in
that
position.
I'll
give
you
some
some
background
on
that,
so
the
first
city
arborist
since
I've
worked
here
was
ron
lucas.
H
Many
of
you
know
ron
lucas
and
he
was
the
street
labor
supervisor
and
because
there
was
a
you
know,
a
certain
amount
of
the
city-owned
trees
fell
in
the
maintenance
responsibility
of
the
street
crew.
Specifically,
we
were
talking
about
trimming
in
rights-of-way.
H
Subsequently,
ron
got
named
to
be
the
deputy
service
safety
director
and
this
would
have
been
back
in
the
you
know,
the
2010
era,
time
frame
and,
and
he
carried
that
role
of
city
arborist
and
functionally
the
liaison
for
programs.
H
You
know
related
to
things
like
tree
city,
usa,
american
bloom
and
a
variety
of
other
efforts
and
initiatives
to
that
role.
As
the
deputy
service
safety
director,
it
wasn't
traditionally
in
that
particular
spot.
It
was
just
that
he
carried
it
because
he
became
the
arborist
and
then
that
was
an
interest
area
and
then
he
subsequently
moved
to
deputy
service,
safe
director
and
then
and
then
served
and
and
ron
god
bless
him.
You
know,
he'll,
never
tell
you!
H
No,
you
know
you
ask
him
to
do
something
and
he's
like
oh
yeah,
well
I'll
I'll
pick
that
up
and
I'll
try.
You
know
now
to
the
to
the
instrument.
Ultimately,
because
you
know
when
you,
when
you
have
too
many
things
to
do,
you
can't
do
any
of
them.
Well,
I'm
not
saying,
rather
than
do
things
well,
I'm
just
saying
that
that's
that's
one
of
the
challenges
that
comes
with
you
know.
You
know
people
always
giving
you
extra
things
to
do.
H
Ron
subsequently
has
moved
on
to
be
that
human
resources
director
for
the
city,
so
it
is
absolutely
inappropriate
for
him
to
have
anything
to
do
because
he
has
with
with
trees
and
tree
commission,
because
he
he
he
has
a
million
other
things
to
do
so.
H
Our
thinking
at
the
time
a
couple
years
ago
was
to
to
slot
the
arborist
role
in
the
in
in
the
lands
portion
of
the
city,
and
so
we
had
a
young
man
who
got
himself
trained
and
took
the
test
to
be
an
arborist
and
he
was
doing
a
great
job
in
that
capacity.
H
Not
because
deputy
service
safety
director
is,
is
the
appropriate
person
to
fit.
You
know,
liaison
to
the
degree
commission
in
and
so
a
goal
of
mine
in
the
in
the
in
the
coming
months,
especially
with
some
of
the
turnover
of
folks
on
this
is
to
matriculate
that
liaison
probably
to
to
katherine
anne's
department.
Now
it
might
not
be
catherine
ant
specifically
and
it
might
not
be
aaron
specifically,
it
might
be
another
employee
that
they
have
in
their
department
that
will
serve
as
ultimately
the
liaison
to
the
tree
commission
for
things.
H
Non-Regulatory
david
will
always
be
the
regulatory,
a
liaison
to
the
treaty
commission
when
it
comes
to
things
related
to
permits
and
and
things
where
the
tree
commission
is
advising
the
city
administration
on
regulating
the
tree
canopy
within
the
city,
whether
it
be
right-of-way
permits-
or
you
know,
title
37.
H
You
know
you
know
folks
comply
in
compliance
with
with
title
37,
but
when
it
comes
to
initiatives
like
like
tree
city,
usa
or
an
arbor
day
celebration,
I
really
think
the
right
spot
probably
is
with
the
lands
component
of
the
city
and
that
land's
component
falls
inside
catherine
department
right
now.
Kevin
who
everybody
knows
and
loves
is
the
labor
supervisor
for
the
arts,
parks
and
recreation
has
a
million
things
to
do
and
take
care
of,
and
he
is
not
an
appropriate
employee
not
because
he's
a
bad
guy.
H
But
because
I
you
know,
I
don't
expect
kevin
to
come
to
three
commission
meetings
and
take
notes
and
go
manage
projects.
I
need
him
to
take
employees
and
part-time
employees
and
full-time
employees
and
chainsaws
and
trucks
and
and
go
and
fix
things.
That's
what
I
need
him
to
do.
I
don't
need
him
to
manage
programs,
and
so
we're
going
to
talk
internally
about
where
is
the
right
spot
for
a
person
to
attend
your
meetings
and
because.
D
H
Don't
call
it
arborist
because
I
can't
say
they're
going
to
get
certified
in
being
arbor,
so
we
may.
We
just
may
not
have
that,
but
that
is
what
I
see
six
months
from
now
us
landing
and
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
I
wanted
catherine
anne
to
come
tonight
introduce
herself
to
you.
So
you
kind
of
knew.
Yeah
and
you
know
she's
got
a
million
different
interest
groups.
You
know
grabbing
on
her
going
hey.
I
want
my
thing
prioritized
whether
it
be
soccer
or.
H
H
H
You
know
it's
a
goal
of
mine
to
kind
of
not
make
andrew
chicky,
the
the
you
know
the
guided
call
for
all
things
tree,
because
that's
that's
really
not
gonna,
be
the
role
going
forward,
but
he's
done
a
good
job
to
date,
because
you
know
he
picked
it
up
because
he's
that
kind
of
guy.
That
would
that
would
do
that.
D
H
But
but
you
know
back
to
the
original
question
here
related
to
this,
is
you
know
how
do
we
want
to
do
for
tree
city,
usa
and
arbor
day
celebration
and
who
needs
to
be
the
lead
in
that?
I
will
have
an
answer
by
the
next,
because
every
day
is
14
april.
Is
that
or
mid
april?
Is
that
yeah.
E
H
H
Think
it
will,
you
know,
typically
the
catalyst
for
that
is
a
university
program
right
and
the
last
couple
years
because
of
kovid,
that's
kind.
E
H
I
think
I
I
there's
a
great
interest
in
making
things
look
nice
going
into
this
spring
and
because
you
know
as
we
as
we
emerge
from
the
pandemic,
and
we
expect
a
lot
more
visitors
to
athens
and
to
ohio
university,
I
think
beautification
day
will
happen.
I
don't
know
that
it
will
coincide
with
arbor
day
per
se,
but
but
those
two
things
I
think,
councilmember
crowd,
has
a
comment
as
well.
Yeah.
C
Of
yeah
she
is
still
at
the
university
she
reached
out
to
the
office
of
sustainability
to
see
if
we
could
collaborate
on
athens
beautification
day.
Now,
I'm
aware
of
the
previous
efforts
by
the
university
of
the
city,
which
have
been
massive,
you
know
upwards
of
eight
hundred
to
a
thousand
volunteers.
Out
doing
you
know
great
incredible
work
and
and.
C
That
scale
was
not
on
my,
I
didn't
have
the
time
to
to
do
something
on
that
scale,
but
I
could
certainly
help
try
to
find
projects
right
and
in
a
conversation
with
her.
We
basically
settled
on
is
not
a
specific
day,
but
what
we're
calling
athens
beautification
days
and
they
will
be
scattered
different
projects
throughout
the
month
of
april.
C
E
The
the
couple
years
ago,
right
before
covid
barb
and
I
and
mary
reed
and
some
people
from
other
people
from
the
university
were
divine
that
it
was
all
on
the
books
of
being
the
beautification
month
with
built
like
planting
500
trees
in
athens,
and
so
there
were
some
little
nuggets
of
programs
that
had
been
started
and
the
idea
wasn't
that
there
was
going
to
be
5
000
people
going
out
on
one
day
that
it
would
be
this
sort
of
thing
just
centered
around
trees,
and
you
know
so.
E
She
knows
some
of
the
issues,
some
of
the
other.
You
know
the
things
with
the
oak,
the
oak
that
could
go
into
it
too,
but
one
of
the
projects
was
to
go
to
the
going
and
get
fish
and
not
fish
and
wildlife,
soil
people
and
buy
a
bunch
of
trees
and
give
them
out
with
a
you
know,
with
workshops
on
how
to
plant
them,
and
that
was
going
to
help
kind
of
equalize.
The
trees
across
the
city
sort
of
thing.
A
A
Is
we
can
say
that,
as
part
of
athens
beautification
day,
we
would
like
to
see
that
trees
are
planted
in
the
city
right
away
absolutely,
and
if,
if
that
is
what
I
think
we're
saying,
then
is
there
anything
that
we
need
to
do
as
a
shade
tree
commission
other
than
to
say
in
our
in
our
meeting
today
and
in
our
meeting
minutes
that
shade
tree
commission
recommends
that
athens
beautification
day,
which
is
a
collaboration
between
the
city
and
the
university,
consider
planting
trees
in
the
city
right
away,
and
that,
if
that
moves
forward,
that
you
then
come
back
to
shade
tree
and
ask
our
recommendations
for
what
trees
might
be
planted
in
what
areas
did
I
get
that
right?.
H
A
G
Just
to
interject,
this
is
a
good
example
of
how
we
the
importance
of
communicating
between
shade
train,
commission
and
arts
parks
and
recreation,
because,
if
you're
thinking
of
certain
spaces
that
could
be
useful
for
trees,
it
would
be
really
important
to
start
having
that
discussion
with
myself
early
on
before
we
decide
hey.
This
is
an
oral
recommendation
just
because
as
we're
as
we're
figuring
out
how
we
are
going
to
work,
the
land,
especially.
A
That
would
be
especially
in
the
parks,
yes,
the
specific
parks
we
just
go
around
and
we
say
we
think
a
tree
can
go
here
and
then
what
happens
is
that
that
list
is
then
given
to
you
and
our
job
ends
there,
and
then
you
can
put
it
into
your
plan
as
you
see
fit.
The
only
thing
that
we
ask
is
is
that
if
it,
if
you're
planting
in
the
city
right
away,
then
when
you
develop
your
plans,
you
come
back
to
us
and
say
this
is
the
property
where
we're
thinking
about
having
the
trees?
A
E
Plan
written
for
the
urban
trees,
okay,
because
I
think
that
might
be
a
good
place
to
start
to
see
how
well
we
did
before
I
know
there's
one
floating
around.
I
will
ask
anne
on
that
one.
It's
always
good
to
start
from
something
right,
but
I
think
that
we
also
want
to
be
more
proactive,
too
of
saying
we
want
these
trees
here,
sort
of
thing.
A
E
We
really
need
to
make
like
the
same
time,
so
we
don't
have
like
my
concern
is
if
we
go
back
and
forth
with
here
are
good
places,
and
then
they
say.
Oh
that's
great.
What
kind
of
trees
we
can
say
here
are
good
places
for
these
types
of
trees,
there's
a
menu
of
those
that
would
be
good
for
for
when
we
do
put
one
forward.
I
think
that
that
might
help
people
too
yeah.
A
We
could
give
yeah
a
menu
saying
if
it's
wet.
You
know
these
are
the
good
trees,
but
I
think
we
don't
have
a
lot.
It's
basically
two
tons
a
year
where
we're
basically
gonna
plant
trees
and
if
we
were
to
make
suggestions
and
then
you
were
to
come
to
us
two
meetings
a
year
and
just
say
just
like
any
developer
would
come
to
us
and
say
here's
the
planting
plan.
Do
you
have
any
recommendations?
A
I
I
don't
think
that's
a
lot
of
back
and
forth.
I
think
where
we've
run
into
problems
before
if
I'm
at
the
modest
chris
is,
is
that
we
didn't
have
them
at
the
meetings
right,
and
so
you
know
it
would
sort
of
be
like
hey
david,
we're
going
to
give
you
a
mandate
to
go
reach
out
to
your
people
and
then
at
the
next
meeting,
tell
us
what
they
say
and
then
we
would
sort
of
comment
on
that
and
then
it
would
go
back
and
forth
that
way.
C
Rock
science
question
yeah,
please
so
help
me
understand.
You
know.
I
know
that
there
is
a
lot
of
responsibility
for
the
commission
and
and
you're
sort
of
spread
thin
but
and
the
other
there.
There
are
two
other
permanent
members
correct
who
aren't
able
to
be
here
tonight:
okay
and
then
there's
two
alternates
as
well.
A
A
E
Yeah,
I
think
I
think
that
looking
at
all
these
in
their
original
code
and
finding
which
lines
connect
with
these
each
question-
and
I
could
do
that-
I
started
looking
at
that
anyway-
yeah
because
I'm
weird
so
you.
A
A
That's
why
we
wanted
you
so
badly
here
you
were
actually
recommended
by
the
people
who
are
here,
okay,
so,
okay,
I
think
we
got
through
that
the
next
one's
kind
of
a
contentious
thing,
but
I
don't
know
that
we
can
say
a
lot
about
it.
It
has
to
do
with
the
athens
county,
courthouse
removal
of
trees,
and
I'm
going
to
summarize-
and
you
all
can
tell
me
if
I
got
it
right
or
wrong.
A
A
A
A
I
don't
you
know.
Sometimes
I
worry
about
you
know
spending
too
much
time
on
something
that
is
a
one-off.
You
know.
How
often
does
this
kind
of
a
thing
really
happen?
Do
we
want
to
spin
our
wheels
just
to
deal
with
something
that
doesn't
happen
very
often,
but
part
of
me
thinks
that
you
know
it.
It's
a
contract
issue
and
david
I'd
be
curious.
What
you
think
I
mean
you
run
code,
I'm
not
sure
it's
just
the
person
who
paid
to
have
it
done
it
to
me.
A
I
I
A
A
H
F
H
H
A
H
A
criminal
violation
under
state
code
and
you
bring
criminal
charges
against
a
county
employee
who
was
told
by
an
elected
official
to
do
something,
or
do
you
bring
criminal
charges
against
that
elected
official?
I
don't
know
that
we
want
to
do
that
yeah.
I
don't
know
that
the
judge
would
even
entertain
something
like
that
and
that's
yeah.
That's
a
great
question
for
the
for
the
law
director.
Ultimately,.
A
E
Well-
and
we
have,
we
do
have
that
contractor
registration.
E
That's
been
on
the
books
for
a
long
time
that
does
help
some
of
these
yee-haws
who
come
down
and
say
ooh.
Your
tree
is
looks
so
sad.
You
want
to
cut
it
for
250,
give
me
money
now
and
I'll
cut
it
then.
So
that
might
help,
and
we
may
be
able
to
put
something
in
some
place
about
best
management
practices
or
certified
arborist
management
practices.
We
could
probably
find
something
like.
H
You
know
a
requirement
for
if
someone
is
going
to
cut
a
tree
in
a
lot
in
the
right
of
way
that
they
have
to
maintain
a
certain
level
of
certification
yeah.
Whatever
that
certification
is,
you
know,
I
certainly
would
look
to
this
commission
to
make
that
recommendation,
and
then
you
know
we
could
waive
it
if
there
was
a
need,
but
by
and
large
I
think
it's
not
a
bad
approach.
H
You
know,
one
of
the
things
that
we've
experienced
is
tree.
Care
contractors
are
hard
to
come
by,
particularly
when
it
comes
to
large
trees
and
any
people
who
have
the
capability
to
do
it,
and
and
we
struggle
to
find
folks
to
to
come
dead
trees
to
trim
large
simply
because
they're
in
such
high
demand
yeah,
and
so
I
don't
know
that
I'd
want
to
make
it
too
onerous
to
the
point
that
you
know
nobody
was
qualified
to
do
it
because
then
I'd
be
waving,
it
all
the
time.
H
A
H
I
mean
certainly,
contractors
are
supposed
to
be
registered
if
they
work
in
the
city,
and
I
and
I
would
contend
most
of
our
tree
care
contractors
that
work
in
the
city
have
registered
on
a
given
year,
and
so
it
means
they're
bonded
yeah.
It's
rare
rare
that
we
would
have
somebody
to
come
in,
but
it's
not
unheard
of
so
yeah.
You
know.
A
Okay,
so
because
we
seem
to
agree
that
this
is
something
we
should
look
into
and
it's
becoming
an
action
item
whose
action
item
is
it?
Is
there
somebody
from
the
commission
who
should
be
assigned
to
work
with
the
city,
or
is
it
something
that
the
city
just
wants
to
think
about
whether
or
not
they
would
like
to
have
code
updated,
that's
sort
of
falling
within
code
office
david?
I'm
looking.
I
E
What
what's
the
registration,
bonding
requirements.
I
E
With
the
contractor
language,
we
can
review
that.
I
think
that
the
right
away,
permit
kind
of
I
think
we
need
to
be
really
sure
on
that.
It
says
in
bold,
dumb,
hello,
dummies,
that
there
is
a
permit
that
you
have
to
get
you
have
to
put
it
on
the
tree
for
24
hours.
E
A
A
Okay,
I'm
not
gonna
talk
on
behalf
of
shade
tree,
but
I'm
gonna
tell
you
my
personal
perspective,
so
I
bumped
into
steve
this
evening
coming
in
and
I
said
what's
going
on,
and
he
said
he
hadn't
heard
yet,
and
I
said
you
know
you
need
to
give
them
a
timeline
by
which
they
will
respond,
and
if
they
do
not
respond,
then
the
city
needs
to
decide
what
they
want
to
do
with
their
right
away,
and
my
recommendation
was
to
clear
out
the
trees
because
they
were
not
actually
totally
removed
and
to
replace
them
at
our
cost.
A
But
or
you
know,
on
our
dime,
but
basically
saying
we
told
you
you
were
liable.
This
is
what
you
are
specifically
liable
for,
pay
it
or
don't
pay
it
you're
going
to
make
that
decision,
and
then
the
city
would
decide
whether
or
not
to
sue
for
those
funds.
But
I
personally
think
that
it
would
be
important
for
us
to
replace
those
trees
one.
It
establishes
our
right
that
this
is
our
right
away
and
two
those
trees
were
planted
for
a
very
specific
purpose.
A
They,
they
are
part
of
our
beautification
plan
for
uptown
athens.
So
that
was
just
what
my
recommendation
is,
but
at
this
point
it's
not
within
shade
tree's
purview
to
do
anything
according
to
code.
Basically
code
says
that
when
there
is
this
violation,
we
make
an
assessment
of
the
value
of
the
trees
and
for
the
replacement
of
the
trees
and
that
that
information
is
then
given
back
to
the
city,
and
that
has
happened.
So
as
far
as
I
know,
do
you
guys
agree.
A
I
think
that
we
have
fulfilled
our
obligation
to
the
city
on
this
on
this
matter.
Now
me
as
a
just
a
regular
citizen,
I
would
love
to
go
and
pick
it
in
front
of
them
and
make
their
lives
miserable,
because
I
actually
planted
for
amer
athens
and
bloom.
I
planted
the
county
gardens
over
there,
which
were
gorgeous
granted.
They
took
really
good
care
of
them,
but
part
of
me
feels
like.
Are
you
kidding
me?
H
So
we'll
you
know
make
that
inquiry
again.
A
A
H
I
agree
with
you.
I
absolutely
agree
with
you
and
we'll
put
that
into
our
next,
our
next
treaty,
to
the
to
the
county
commissioners,
but
you
know
I
mean
you
know.
Some
of
this
is
a
is
a
is
a
just.
You
can't
make
us
between
two
political
subdivisions,
ultimately
and
and
that's
unfortunate,
that
that
that's
the
nature
of
the
situation,
but
that's
what
the
nature
of
the
situation.
A
A
And
I
think
that
there
is
something
to
be
said
about
steak
and
putting
a
steak
in
the
ground
and
saying
this
is
our
property
now
jim,
you
know
far
more
about
trees
than
I
do
if
they
were
to
do
a
city
plan,
would
you
work
with
and
maybe
to
come
up
with
some
trees
that
would
be
responsive
to
maybe
the
county's
concerns
about.
You
know
foundation
issues.
You
know
a
lot
more
than
I
do
about
and
tree
interactions
with
buildings,
and
I
don't
know
much
about
that.
A
Maybe
work
with
anne
and
then
david
and
andy,
if,
if
it
gets
to
that
point
where
you
need
shade
tree
recommendations
for
trees,.
D
E
I
found
it
just
really
sad
that
you
know
this
will
episode
happen
and
that
whole
corner
has
has
gone
from
something
that
was
fairly
lively
to
now.
It's
all,
it
seems
like
it's
now
all
cement
and
that
are
one
green
space
where
we
cannot
actually
connect
and
and
hang
out,
because
we
don't
really
have
a
town,
common
and
stuff
has
has
kind
of
been
just
taken
over
by
cement,
and
then
this
is
like
the
kind
of
final
little
poke
in
that
corner.
E
I
would
like,
for
you
know
in
the
future,
to
be
able
to
work
with
the
uptown
people
and
the
people
of
town
looking
at
those
sort
of
issues
too,
because
they
have
a
stake
in
this
too,
and
that
this
is
the
special
improvement
district
because
they
probably
have
a
lot
with.
They
have
some
issues
and
some
plans
too,
and
so
we
should
probably
bring
them
in
the
discussion
at
some
point
about
stuff.
So.
A
I
guess
I'm
going
to
say
something:
that's
also
really
difficult,
there's,
obviously
a
conflict
of
interest
here,
cities
legal
is
married
to
one
of
the
county
commissioners
and
I
have
no
idea
how
this
went
down,
but
I
would
hope
that
there
may
be
somebody
willing
to
look
into
whether
or
not
that
was
a
potential
issue,
and
I
guess
what
I'm
saying
is
is
that
you
know
I
feel
for
the
spouse
of
the
potentially
the
person
who
was
one
of
the
perpetrators,
and
you
know
when
the
city
makes
the
decision
whether
or
not
to
pursue
legal
issues.
A
H
Yeah
and
if
I
can
respond
in
my
observation,
so
you
know
our
city
law
director
is
absolutely
outstanding.
She.
H
H
Where
the
where
the
city
I
mean
I've
worked
with
one
of
the
county
prosecutors
to
function
as
our
leader
council
in
regards
to
that
interaction
for
the
last
several
years,
and
so
I
I
I
want
to
definitely
say
that
I
don't
believe,
there's
any
issue
related
to
that
particular
relationship
in
this
situation.
H
Now
the
other
thing-
and
this
is
just
an
external
observation,
but
it
seems
as
though
with
the
various
county
commissioners
that
you
know
each
of
the
three
take
different
areas
and
tend
to
focus
on
that,
and
I
don't
believe
that
that
that
particular
county
commissioner
was
involved
in
this
in
this
decision
making
related
to
this
situation.
So
you
know
I
would
say
in
this
situation
that
conflict
is
irrelevant
well,.
A
Yeah,
thank
you.
I
think
that's
also
really
important.
Okay.
The
last
item
that
we
have
to
discuss-
I
know
we're
having
a
longer
than
usual
meeting,
is
the
permit
draft.
Chris.
E
Well,
I
put
it
out,
I
didn't
like
bring
it
because
I
wasn't
sure
if
we
wanted
to
go
forward
with
a
big
draft
to
change.
I
wanted
to
hear
what
other.
A
People
said
is
that
this
is
specifically
related
to
the
code
and
the
removal
of
trees.
E
In
the
right
of
way,
looking
at
the
permit,
okay,
but
also
looking
at
well,
we
might
as
well
look
at
the
code
that
constituted
us
and
and
we
can
do
a
little
review
and
then
we
can
put
those
four
areas
out:
make
sure
that
we
know
our
our
role
and
our
job
descriptions
and
if
they're
not
fluffy
enough,
not
fluffy
full
full
enough.
We
we
may
want
to
make
some
of
those
job
descriptions
a
little
more
set
and
maybe
identifying
our
new
liaison
people
in
those
two.
So
I.
E
The
job
description
of
what
we
do
as
a
commission
are
four
areas:
those
sort
of
things.
Oh.
A
E
Good
to
oh,
since
we're
kind
of
new,
this
is
kind
of
what
I'm
getting
it's
good,
to
look
at
our
birthday
cards
from
years
past,
to
make
sure
that
that
we
still
are
up
to
speed
with
what
we
need
to
do,
and
so-
and
it
may
be,
that
we
don't
do
one
of
the
things
that
we've
never
done.
One
of
the
four
things
very
well
and
we
want
to
not
do
it
anymore,
sort
of
thing.
You
know
what
I
mean:
okay,.
A
A
I
Just
I
I
missed
this
earlier,
we
were
talking
about
contractors
that
need
to
be
registered
to
do
pruning
yeah.
It
does
say
in
330103
that
the
shade
tree
commission
will
maintain
a
list
of
qualifications
that
persons
or
companies
shall
meet
in
order
to
perform
work
on
pruning,
removing
or
planting
a
tree.
So
that
is
one
of
your
tasks.
I
H
I
know
that
ann
bonner
had
mentioned
that
there
is
a
tree
commission
academy
in
june,
yes,
and
I
would
highly
recommend
that
as
many
commissioners
as
possible
could
attend
that
it's
going
to
actually
be
in
logan.
So
it's
not
a
very
long
drive
to
go
to
that.
Also,
speaking
with
the
mayor,
it's
important
to
reiterate
that
that
any
training
event
that
is
desired
by
this
body
for
the
body
to
participate
in
it
costs
money,
we're
empowered
to
pay
for
that.
H
H
I
was
wrong.
It
was
july,
but
and
and
had
sent
out
something
about
it.
A
F
I'm
gonna
give
you
a
big
old
fat.
Maybe
on
that
one,
okay,
oh
camping,
I'm
out
I
sleep
in
a
bed.