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A
B
B
We
had
hoped
for
five
members
tonight.
There
are
only
four
that
are
here.
We
do
have
an
agenda,
though,
of
four
cases.
Whenever
there
are
less
than
five
members,
each
appellant
has
the
opportunity
to
have
their
case
continuance
until
the
next
meeting,
which
hopefully
will
be
the
regular
scheduled
meeting
of
June
13th.
B
It
takes
three
votes
in
the
affirmative
to
have
a
variance
approved
or
a
temporary
use,
approved
or
a
substitution
of
a
non-conforming
use
approved.
There
are
four
board
members
here
tonight.
Just
so
everyone
knows
everyone
in
the
audience.
Greg
Lebel
is
here,
he's
not
feeling
well.
I
spoke
to
Gary
hunter
about.
Would
he
have
the
ability
to
be
in
the
building
and
watch
the
proceedings
on
television
and
then
actually
come
to
vote,
and
gary
said
he
thought
that
would
be
fine,
so
mr.
B
LeBell
is
close
by
and
listening
to
everything
that's
going
on
right
now,
so
there
are
four
cases
tonight.
Thirty
westfield
plays
the
request
for
temporary
use.
18
North
may
Avenue
a
request
for
a
front
setback,
variance
52
Columbia,
a
request
for
a
parking
variance,
and
the
fourth
case
is
1889
Palmer
request
for
substitution
of
a
non-conforming
use,
so
I
suppose
at
this
time
is
there.
B
D
D
The
board
consists
of
five
members
and
one
alternate
that
the
alternate
takes
full
part
in
discussions
of
the
board
and
becomes
the
voting
member
in
the
absence
or
the
count
or
a
conflict
of
interest
of
a
regular
member
present
this
evening
or
mr.
Roger
cruiser
mr.
David
Chaffee
mr.
Greg
Lovell,
who
is
off
there
in
the
other
room
and
he
is
watching
the
proceedings
and
I
am
John.
Gauzy
acting
chair
for
tonight
also
present
on
this
floor
are
mr.
Steve
Pearson,
Athens,
Zoning
Administrator,
and
we
don't
have
the
secretary
okay.
D
B
D
D
D
The
board
has
the
power
to
grant
variances
according
to
the
Athena
City
Code,
section,
23
or
7,
or
3b
Athens,
City,
Code,
section,
23
or
9:10
C
indicates
the
variance
shall
be
granted
in
the
spirit
of
the
code
and
not
contrary
to
their
public
interest
or
public
safety.
In
granting
a
variance,
the
board
is
required
to
find
beyond
reasonable
doubt
that
each
and
every
one
of
the
following
six
criteria
is
met,
one
practical
difficulty
or
undue
hardship.
D
There
must
exist
a
practical
difficulty
or
on
the
you
hardship,
caused
by
exceptional
conditions
pertaining
to
the
specific
piece
of
property
to
exceptional
circumstances.
There
must
exist,
exceptional
circumstances
or
conditions
applying
to
the
property
or
its
intended
use
that
do
not
in
general,
apply
to
properties.
In
the
same
zoning
district
number
three
preservation
of
equal
property
rights.
It
must
be
determined
that
the
literal
interpretation
of
the
code
would
deprive
the
appellant
of
rights
commonly
enjoyed
by
others
in
the
same
vicinity,
while
granting
the
variance
would
not
convey
any
special
privilege
minimum
variance.
D
It
must
be
determined
that
the
variance
is
minimum
required
to
make
possible
the
reasonable
use
of
the
property
number
5
absence
of
detriment.
It
must
be
determined
that
the
granting
of
the
variance
will
not
be
of
substantial
detriment
to
adjacent
properties,
nor
impair
the
principles
of
the
code
number
6,
not
a
general
nature.
The
variance
South
must
not
be
of
a
general
or
recurrent
nature
such
that
the
situation
would
more
reasonably
be
handled
by
changing
the
law.
D
The
board
also
has
the
power
to
hear
and
decide
applications
for
conditional
use,
substitution
for
non-conforming
use,
temporary
uses
and
appeals
where
it
is
alleged
by
the
appellant
that
there
is
an
error
in
the
decision
might
by
the
Zoning
Administrator
regarding
enforcement
and
interpretation
of
the
code,
any
person
who
is
aggravated
or
aggrieved
by
the
decision
of
the
board
may
file
an
appeal
to
the
Court
of
Common
Pleas.
Such
petition
must
be
filed
within
30
days
after
the
mailing
of
the
board's
resolution
to
the
appellant.
D
D
Case
number,
one
in
case
number,
o
6-10
t
address
30
westfield,
place
zone
artery,
cecilia
hansen,
appellant,
a
felony
is
requesting
a
temporary
use
of
one
year
to
permit
conversion
of
an
attached.
Single-Family
dwelling
to
a
rental
house
keeping
unit
with
occupancy
of
two
unrelated
persons
with
one
accessible
and
one
non
accessible
parking
space
were
accessibility
to
all
parking
spaces
is
required.
D
B
Thank
you.
Excuse
me.
This
case
was
heard
three
months
ago
in
a
little
different
format.
Miss
Hanson
was
here
requesting
a
variance
to
to
permit
conversion
to
a
rental
unit
that
she
owns
at
Westfield
place
into
a
rental
and
those
variances
go
forever
with
the
property.
The
problem
here
is
that
the
problems
not
that
there's
not
enough
parking
spaces,
it's
one
for
each
permitted
occupant.
There
are
two
parking
spaces
she's
only
asking
for
two
tenants.
B
The
problem
is
that
in
an
r3
zone
or
any
zone
other
than
an
r1
or
in
our
two
zone,
all
the
parking
all
the
cars
have
to
be
able
to
get
out
to
the
street
without
moving
another
car.
So
for
some
reason,
the
way
the
codes
written
that
accessibility
requirement
is
not
used
driven
at
zone
driven.
If
this
were
in
a
r1
or
r2
zone,
we
wouldn't
even
be
here
tonight,
so
it
has
to
do
with
the
zone.
B
It's
a
problem
with
the
zone
and
not
with
the
use
the
board
refused
the
request
for
a
variance,
I
guess
a
a
couple
meetings
ago,
and
there
was
some
discussion
about.
Was
there
an
alternative
way?
The
miss
Hanson
contemporarily
used
the
property
as
a
rental.
She
had
indicated
that
she
was
her
studies.
B
Her
academic
studies
have
taken
her
out
of
the
area
to
the
Columbus
area
for
about
a
year
a
little
over
a
year
year
and
a
half
I
believe
something
like
that
and
I'd
mentioned
to
the
board
that
a
request
for
temporary
use
could
be
a
possibility.
You
had
recently
reviewed
a
case
like
that
on
West,
8th
Street,
where
mesta
properties,
the
coladas
family,
had
the
the
sons
had
obtained
a
property
where
their
mother
used
to
reside.
B
They
really
didn't
want
to
turn
it
into
a
rental,
but
they
also
didn't
want
to
just
sit
empty
for
an
extended
period
of
time
until
it
was
sold.
So
the
board
reviewed
that
and
granted
a
temporary
use
permit
to
let
them
use
it
as
a
rental,
with
stacked
parking
for
up
to
one
year
that
property
has
cents
sold
and
the
new
owner
is
actually
installed
compliant
parking,
so
they
were
afforded
relief
for
that
short
amount
of
time.
Neither
to
turn
the
property
over
to
sell
it.
B
I
mean
miss
Hansen's
case
just
a
short
amount
of
time.
For
some
relief,
so
she
could
rent
it
until
she
comes
back
to
the
area
temporary
uses,
the
board
can
grant
temporary
uses
in
any
zone
for
a
purposes
that
conform.
The
regulations
provided
that
the
Board
finds
such
used
to
be
of
just
a
temporary
nature,
not
involved
the
erection
of
substantial
structure
and
that
it
is
unlikely
to
cause
substantial
detriment
to
the
public.
B
Temporary
uses
are
granted
for
one
year
and
may
have
a
attach
conditions
to
safeguard
public
health,
safety,
morals
and
general
welfare
permits.
Where
there's
a
require
use
permit
requested
for
an
extension.
More
than
a
year
has
to
first
be
reviewed
by
the
Planning
Commission
and
they
send
a
recommendation
back
to
the
board.
The
board,
then,
can
grant
extension
of
a
temporary
used
permit
for
an
additional
two
years
refer
essentially
then
for
a
total
of
three
year
up
to
three
years.
D
B
Why
I
read
that
section,
the
things
that
you
probably
need
to
discuss?
Okay,
there
are
some
things
here
that
it
that
it's
just
of
a
temporary
nature
which
I
think
has
been
presented,
does
not
involve
the
erection
of
a
substantial
structure
and
there's
no
construction
involved
and
that
it
is
unlikely
to
cause
detriment
to
the
public.
B
The
only
thing
I
could
think
any
detriment
might
be
at
the
at
the
various
request.
Meeting
people
we're
talking
about
traffic
problems,
but
in
you
know,
in
this
case,
there's
no
more
cars
there.
That
would
be
there
if
Miss
Hansen
we're
living
there.
It's
just
that
oddity
about
the
code
about
stacking
cars
behind
each
other.
So
there's
not
it's
not
adding
any
more
car
as
a
matter
of
fact
it
could
be
diminishing
and
those
are
the
three
things
it's
just
temporary
nature,
no
structure
and
no
detriment
to
the
public.
D
E
My
name
is
Cecilia
Hanson
and
I
live
at
I
own
30,
Westfield
place
and
I'm
requesting
a
temporary
permit.
Just
till
I
can
complete
my
clerkship,
which
will
be
at
the
end
of
next
year,
and
I
will
be
back
here
summer
of
2007
to
return
back
to
my
home,
and
so
it
is
just
for
a
temporary
relief
until
I
can
come
back
to
the
Athens,
which
I
am
definitely
gonna,
be
doing
so
I
guess
I
just
want
to
thank.
E
F
B
B
Just
so
you
know
the
the
code
does
allow
for
occupancy
of
a
structure
by
someone
other
than
the
owner
for
up
to
six
months.
If
you
go
on
an
extended
vacation
or
you
go
on
sabbatical,
you
don't
need
a
rental
permit
for
up
to
six
months.
So,
essentially,
that's
the
timeframe.
Miss
Hanson
is
working
in
right.
Now,
it's
just
that.
It's
going
to
be
extended
beyond
that
six
months,
that's
permitted
before.
Essentially
someone
just
a
house
keep
for
you
until
your
return.
B
D
E
B
G
Hola
three
Merritt
Street
I
think
the
biggest
concern
I
was
hearing.
The
last
me
and
I
was
at
that
meeting.
Three
was
there's
only
three
months
ago
was
the
permanence
of
a
variance,
and
you
can
see
this
being
a
temporary
nature
is
not
the
concern.
I
think
they
were
saying.
There
was
no
problem
right
now,
but
you
know
the
longevity
of
Aaron's
going
with
the
property.
So
it
sounds
like
it's
a
different
okay.
D
E
For
the
most
part,
I
think
everything
has
been
for
me
perfectly
clear,
I
appreciate
you
guys
hearing
me
the
last
time
and
then
bringing
me
back
this
time
and
it
really
isn't
I
don't
want
to
change
and
I
want
a
variance
I.
Really
it's
just
a
special
circumstance
which
will
resolve
after
June
of
or
summer
of
2007.
I
will
return
back
to
my
home.
So
this
will
not
be
a
problem
and.
D
A
A
F
D
H
D
Case
number
two
case:
Oh
6-11
V
for
variance
property
at
18,
North
may
Avenue,
the
appellant
is
Douglas
rezoned.
All
a
parent
is
requesting
a
variance
from
section
23
point:
11
table
a
schedule
of
all
controls
to
permit
the
addition
of
a
front
porch
to
an
existing
single-family
dwelling,
where
the
front
yard
setback
of
twenty
two
point:
five
feet:
where
25
feet
is
the
permitted
minimal
state.
Please.
D
D
B
First
thing,
and
then
you
guys
and
look
at
this
right
here
is
a
footprint
at
the
existing
house
for
a
couple
additions
right
here.
There
was
already
a
stoop
in
front
of
the
house,
but
it
didn't
have
a
roof
and
that's
kind
of
what
was
there
and
what's
going
to
be
added
on
Planet
a
little
more
detail
in
just
a
second
and
then
there's
a
little
more
specific
detail.
B
There's
mr.
Whitson
doll
owns
an
existing
house,
18
North
may
Avenue.
He
came
my
office
quite
a
few
weeks
ago
and
presented
to
me
a
plan
to
renovate
and
add
to
the
home.
Everything
looked
pretty
good.
Setbacks
were
fine,
a
lot
coverage
was
okay,
but
he
wanted
to
put
a
roof
over
a
stoop
that
was
on
front
on
the
front
of
the
house.
B
The
house
is
sitting
and
has,
since
its
construction
been
in
compliance
with
the
25-foot
front
setback,
but
it
was
built
without
a
covered
front
porch
and
what
he
would
like
to
do
would
be
to
had
a
porch
I
believe
it's
four
and
a
half
feet.
It's
just
four
and
a
half
feet
deep
from
the
front
of
the
house,
essentially
just
enough
to
get
you
out
of
the
rain
when
you
come
up
to
the
front
door,
so
the
house
is
sitting
say
at
27
feet
and
the
four
and
a
half
the
you
know
takes
it
down.
B
B
B
It's
a
fairly
wide
wide
open
plenty
of
parking
on
the
street
kind
of
a
thing
where,
actually
to
be
honest
with
you,
two
and
a
half
feet
is
pretty
minimal
variance,
in
my
opinion,
to
ask
for
just
to
cover
the
front
stoop.
The
board's
heard
some
kata,
not
that
you
sent
precedent
or
anything
like
that.
B
I
don't
want
to
give
that
impression,
because
each
case
is
a
little
bit
different,
but
the
board's
heard
cases
recently
on
Morris
Avenue,
maple
wood
in
Ohio,
Avenue
and
variances
were
granted
for
those
now,
there's
been
other
situations
where
variances
were
denied,
but
each
case
has
its
own.
You
know
particular
differences.
Its
there's.
F
D
I
B
C
D
J
I'm
a
little
embarrassed
because,
as
I
read
through
my
submission,
I
see
I'm
looking
for
a
twenty
two
and
a
half
foot
setback
in
one
place
and
I
say
22
feet
in
another.
But
the
the
depth
of
this
porch,
which
would
be
enclosed,
is
four
and
a
half
feet
which
I
guess
is
about
that.
But
it's
at
there's
already
because
of
the
configuration
a
half
feet
starts
something
like
23
feet
back
or
22,
and
a
half
of
23
and
a
half
feet
back
from
I'm,
sorry,
28
and
a
half
feet
back
from
the
tub.
J
The
lot
line,
in
other
words
there
is
a
the
house-
is
recessed
at
the
point
where
I'd
like
to
build
out
four
feet.
So
it
actually
only
encroaches
two
and
a
half
or
three
feet
into
the
setback
area,
depending
on
which
place
I'm
right.
In
my
submission,
seventies,
safe
twenty-two
feet
would
be
best,
but
I
can
live
with
the
twenty-two.
J
Well,
the
situations
as
follows:
I've
been
granted
a
building,
permit
to
remodel
and
expand.
My
house,
and
this
particular
portion
of
the
house,
is
currently
a
breezeway.
It
has
no
front
porch,
it
has
a
brick
wall
and
with
an
archway
going
into
the
breezeway
with
the
remodeling,
that's
been
approved
that
front
area
will
actually
be
a
living
space.
So
without
this
small
entrance
way,
I
will
walk
directly
from
outside
directly
into
a
living
area,
with
absolutely
no
shelter
or
anything
over
it.
J
I
have
not
done
measure
of
my
neighbor's
houses,
but
as
I
sight
down
the
front
of
my
house
down
the
block.
I
see
everybody's
got
a
covered
porch.
That
extends
at
least
the
four
feet
in
or
more
so,
I'm
actually
probably
asking
for
a
little
less
than
what
most
of
my
neighbors
have
and
as
I
say,
the
setback
from
the
lot
line,
instead
of
being
the
25
feet
required,
would
be
22
and
a
half
or
22,
preferably
feet.
J
A
D
B
F
B
I,
as
I
mentioned
I'll,
just
give
you
an
example.
If
I'm
pretty
sure
met
North
maze
fifty
feet
right
away.
Let's
say
that
there's
twenty
four
feet
of
pavement,
I'm,
just
gonna-
guess
because
an
average
lanes
twelve
feet
when
you
subtract
24
from
50
that
leaves
26
in
generally
speaking,
the
pavements
in
the
center,
the
right
away.
So
there's
a
reservation
of
grass
area
for
pedestrians
to
walk
for
installation
of
public
utilities,
water,
sewer,
streetlights,
buried
electric.
B
So
in
a
platted
subdivision,
your
property
doesn't
go
to
the
curb
line
of
the
street.
It's
back
in
the
yard
a
little
bit.
So
in
that
particular
scenario
that
I
gave
you
there
would
be
13
feet
of
grass
back
from
the
curb
line
to
the
property
line,
and
then
the
setbacks
requires
would
be
an
additional
25
feet.
I
think
if
mr.
Whiston
doll
was
alluding
to,
if
that
were
the
case,
25
35
37
38
feet
back.
Okay,.
F
B
Someone
applies,
they
have
to
provide
us
the
information
we
base
it
on
the
application
that
they
submit
to
us.
So
we
basically
put
the
onus
on
them
to
determine
where
the
property
line
is
that,
if
that's
not
possible,
we
try
to
do
the
best
we
can
with
best
available
data
city,
GIS,
Athens,
County
GIS
a
lot
of
times.
B
My
office
has
been
doing
minor
lots
blitz
since
1996,
and
there's
records
clear
back
to
1987
here
in
City
Hall,
so
a
lot
of
times
I'm
even
able
to
go
back
and
pull
out
actual
surveys,
but
in
this
case,
and
it's
fairly
common
on
the
east
side
of
town,
where
the
topography
is
generally
flat
that
those
pavement
areas
are
centered
in
that
right
away.
Okay,.
F
B
F
J
D
A
H
Move
in
the
case
of
eighteen,
North
may
Avenue
case,
zero
6-11
V
zone
are
one
that
we
consider
a
request
for
a
variance
from
section.
Twenty
three
point:
eleven
table
a
schedule
of
bolt
controls
to
permit
the
addition
of
a
front
porch
to
an
existing
single-family
dwelling
unit
with
a
front
yard
setback
of
twenty
two
and
one-half
twenty
two
feet.
Where
twenty
five
feet
is
the
permitted
minimum.
F
D
A
D
H
D
Preservation
of
equal
property
rights,
it
must
be
determined
that
literal
interpretation
of
the
code
would
deprive
the
appellant
of
Rights
commonly
enjoyed
by
others
in
the
same
vicinity.
While
granting
the
variance
would
not
convey
any
special
privilege
as
appellant
stated
I
guess
they
all
have
torches,
and
you
should
have
minimum.
D
D
A
F
F
D
K
D
A
B
Guess
if
I
could
expand
on
a
little
bit,
mr.
Kerr
has
been
in
my
office
looking
at
the
parking
requirements
in
looking
at
the
possibilities
of
installing
parking
somewhere
on
the
lot.
Although
I
don't
have
an
application
for
installation
of
additional
parking,
there
is
the
potential
to
install
parking
at
the
rear
of
his
property
off
of
a
plaited
alley.
It's
posted
on
each
end
that
it
be
kept
clear.
So
it's
there's!
No,
no
one
can
park
right
on
the
alley
or
encumber
the
alley
in
any
way.
D
K
K
D
Shouldn't
really
be
discussing
this
off
the
record
that
so,
let's
just
proceed
with
the
case.
Okay
case
number
306
13,
v4
variance,
52
Columbia
Avenue,
the
appellant
is
Gary
Kerber
zone.
R1
appellant
is
requesting
a
variance
from
section
23
point:
11
table
B
office,
3
parking
requirements
to
permit
conversion
of
a
single-family
residence
to
owner
occupied
with
rumors,
where
for
parking
spaces
are
required
and
none
are
provided
stadium.
B
More
to
say,
hopefully,
each
of
you
have
some
information
about
this
case,
one
of
the
first
things
to
go
back
to
questions
you'd,
ask
about
the
relationship
of
the
right
away,
the
structures
and
where
that
might
be
located.
This
I
think
this
case
is
a
very
good
example
of
that.
If
you
would
look
at
the
drawing
that
shows
the
footprint
of
the
house
and
relationship
to
the
property.
B
It
looks
like
this
right
here
in
this
section
of
columbia.
Avenue
has
a
60-foot
right
away,
and
so
there's
quite
a
bit
of
distance
from
the
curb
line
back
to
the
to
the
structure,
although
that
distance,
if
it's
used
for
parking,
cannot
be
counted
toward
a
parking
requirement.
Unless
city
council
grants
a
revocable
license
for
that,
we've
had
several
properties
in
town
that
didn't
have
a
required
amount
of
park,
even
when
they
were
converted
and
in
several
cases
city
council
has
granted
a
request
to
use
the
ride
away
for
parking
and
you've.
B
Never
the
board
has
never
even
heard
those
cases
so
that
this
drawing
right
here
is
a
good
example.
You
can
see
that
the
short
distance
of
the
driveway
from
what
used
to
be
the
garage
which
says
concrete,
that's
the
driveway.
This
is
the
driveway
service-
is
a
lot
longer
than
that
out
to
the
street.
It's
just
that.
There's
not
enough
technically,
not
enough
room
there
to
park
a
car.
B
I'm
in
an
r1
single-family
zone
or
any
other
zone
where
residential
use
is
permitted,
there
are
three
principally
permitted
uses
of
property:
one
is
owner
occupied,
so
an
owner
can
live
there
and
their
family,
those
related
by
blood,
marriage
or
adoption.
That's
the
first
property
right
that
you
have
in
an
r1
zone.
The
second
property
right
that
you
have
in
an
r1
zone
is
to
rent
a
property
to
what's
called
a
housekeeping
unit
and
an
r1
zone.
B
A
housekeeping
unit
is
a
maximum
of
three
persons,
any
one
of
which
is
unrelated
by
blood,
marriage
or
adoption.
So
that's
your
second
use
permitted
by
right
in
an
r1
zone.
Your
third
use
permitted
by
right
is
to
have
an
owner
occupied
house
and
keep
up
to
two
rumors
with
you.
If
you
have
the
floor
area
and
the
parking
for
that,
so
we've
probably
got
I
think
it's
probably
about
twenty
owner
houses
in
town
that
also
rent
rooms
out.
B
So
it's
kind
of
like
a
mini
rooming
house,
but
again
an
owner
or
which
is
just
a
single
person
or
it
could
be
a
family
who's
allowed
to
have
up
to
two
additional
people.
Unrelated
to
them
living
with
them
now
the
catch
with
that
is,
there
has
to
be
at
least
two
parking
spots
provided
for
the
family.
John
doesn't
matter
if
it's
a
family
of
ten
or
a
family
of
one
right,
two
parking
spots
required
an
amendment
and
then
one
for
each
additional
rumor
for
each
additional
occupant.
B
B
Mr.
Herbert
originally
proposed
that
he
be
allowed
to
be
permitted
to
rumors
and
that's
where
I
had
initially
refused
it
on
needing
four
parking
spaces,
two
for
himself
and
one
for
each
rumor
total.
For
what
I
provided
you
tonight
right
before
the
meeting
was
a
letter
that
I
received
several
days
ago
from
mister
Kerber.
He
is
now
requesting
that
his
occupancy
or
the
number
of
rumors
be
reduced
from
two
to
one,
so
that
reduces
the
parking
requirement.
B
Know,
as
a
matter
of
fact,
when
you
have
a
owner
occupied
with
rumors,
it
can't
be
set
up
like
a
duplex.
In
other
words,
there
has
to
be
free
passage.
You
can't
wall
it
off
completely
separate
it
now,
there's
you
know,
there's
no
problem
with
adding.
You
know,
that's
another
study
area
for
rumors
or
adding
another
restroom.
What.
B
Can't
duplex
it
and
the
definition
generally
entails
on
the
definition
of
a
kitchen
and
there's
three
there's,
there's
actually
four
different
things
that
you
have
to
have
to
have
a
kitchen
lacking
any
one
of
those
four
cabinets:
a
sink
with
running
water,
a
cooking
device
in
the
refrigerator
one
of
those
lacking.
It's
not
really
than
a
kitchen.
B
B
By
residents
of
the
neighborhood,
it's
a
three-page
document
that
I've
provided
to
you.
Mr.
Kerber
has
also
been
provided
a
copy
of
this
document,
and
you
also
got
a
copy
of
his
request
to
reduce
it
from
two
down
to
one
and
I
received
correspondence
from
a
neighbor
across
the
street.
Does
it
morning
she
came
to
my
office
and
we
also
emailed
back
and
forth
so
there's
written
documentation
of
her
concerned
about
it
and
again.
B
B
To
read
them
into
the
record,
if
that
was
the
case,
you'd
be
reading
every
document
that
was
submitted.
It's
been
these.
These
documents
have
all
been
in
the
case
file
and
available
to
the
public.
You
know
every
day
since
the
original
application
came
in,
although
be
it
some
of
them
just
at
the
last
minute.
B
B
Kerber
then
asked
me
what
the
possibility
was
or
how
was
there
a
way
that
he
could
keep
the
use
of
this
area
of
his
house
that
he
had
started
and,
of
course,
the
only
way
to
do
that
is
for
your
first
course
of
administrative
relief
or
your
first
action
in
due
process
is
to
ask
the
board
for
a
variance
first.
So
that's
that's.
Why
we're
here
tonight?
Okay
and
again,
essentially:
what's
what
happened?
Was
mr.
B
shurberg
converted
his
garage
area
to
to
a
small
additional
living
area
for
and
at
this
time
he's
requesting
them
just
wanting
room
rather
than.
D
D
H
We
have
an
email
from
a
Kelly
puro,
51,
Columbia,
Avenue
and
I'll.
Just
read
a
selection
from
it.
It
says:
I
live
directly
across
from
52
Columbia
I
just
found
out
last
night
that
the
BCA
meetings
going
to
happen
tonight
do
tubes
for
Heart
Association
able
to
attend.
I
want
my
voice.
My
opposition
to
mr.
Kurvers
request
for
a
variance
living
on
Columbia
Avenue
parking
is
often
a
challenge
even
now,
I
feel
if
mr.
Kerber
is
granted
more
spaces,
the
problems
I
have
with
guest
parking
now
will
only
increase
as
it
is.
H
If
someone
on
our
street
has
friends
or
family
over,
our
street
is
crowded
with
cars.
Typically,
when
I
have
a
guest
over,
they
have
to
park
way
up
the
street
or
down
the
street
like
most
houses
on
that
street
I
do
not
have
a
driveway
I
have
no
other
options
for
parking
except
the
street
I
feel
that
granting
mr.
Kerber
more
parking
spaces
on
the
street
will
not
only
impact
me
but
others
around
us
as
well.
So
that's
that's
the
email
from
the
neighbor
across
the
street
and
then
there's
another
letter
signed
by.
H
By
20
residents,
all
on
Columbia
know
mostly
on
Columbia
Avenue,
see
one
other
address
on
Garfield,
and
it
says
we
the
undersigned,
our
residents
of
Columbia
and
Garfield
Avenue,
and
we
oppose
the
grant
of
the
requested
variance.
It
cannot
legitimately
be
claimed
that
the
issue
is
not
of
so
general
or
recurrent
in
nature
as
to
make
reasonably
practice'
ball
the
formulation
of
a
general
regulation
for
the
condition
presented.
There
are
many
situations
in
the
city
where
the
number
of
on-site
parking
spaces
required
by
the
number
of
rental
units
contemplated
is
not
possible.
H
The
Board
of
Zoning
Appeals
has
repeatedly
denied
requests
for
variances
in
these
situations.
That
should
continue
to
do
so.
The
City
Council
and
its
wisdom
determined
that
in
such
situations,
offsite
parking
would
not
be
appropriate
for
rentals
in
our
one
districts.
The
legislative
determination
should
be
respected
as
the
results
of
the
same
facts.
H
It
is
respectfully
suggested
that
this
is
not
always
the
case,
but
beyond
that,
although
it
must
be
admitted
that
the
parking
situation
on
Columbia
is
not
what
it
currently
is
on.
Grosvenor
Street,
Congress
seat
or
Franklin
Avenue
applicant
miss
calculates
the
effect
of
a
decision
in
his
favor
here.
A
decision
in
his
favor
would
be
a
precedent
for
if
the
effect
or
would
be
a
precedent
for
life
decisions,
if
not
all
over
the
city,
at
least
on
Columbia
Avenue.
H
If
multiple
houses
on
Columbia
were
given
a
similar
variance,
the
parking
situation
on
Columbia
would
approach
the
situation
on
Grove,
Congress
and
Franklin.
The
point,
of
course,
relates
back
to
the
point
that
applicants,
or
that
the
applicant
should
seek
relief
through
the
City
Council,
not
this
board.
Finally,
there
is
no
question
that
the
preservation
of
equal
property
rights,
the
property
at
52,
Columbia
Avenue-
may
be
used
as
may
any
other
property
similarly
situated
and
it's
signed
20
names,
and
this
is
in
the
record
thank.
D
K
K
K
K
There
is
one
parking
space
in
the
right
away
that
has
17
feet
at
seventeen
by
ten
to
the
sidewalk.
There
is
also,
let
me
see,
two
houses
down.
She
has
one
parking
space
and
it's
only
15
6
by
8
and
I
found
a
document
when
this
property
was
a
rental
and.
K
It
had
two
parking
space
listed
before
it
was
converted
over
to
an
owner
property,
so
I
would
like
to
have
that
grandfathered
in.
If
that's
possible,
I,
don't
know
that's
possible,
but
the
other
option
is
that
I
can
tear
down
a
part
of
my
house
and
one
foot
and
but
put
a
parking
space
in
there.
So
I
can
have
three
parking.
Space.
I
have
always
parked
on
the
street,
which
most
people
on
Columbia
Avenue,
though
do
and
I
really
have
really
have
never
had
any
problems
with
getting
to
my
residence.
What.
A
K
Yeah
but
my
house
is
situated
between
two
lots
and
there
was
like
five
residents
over
a
225
square
of
225
min
of
your
feet
of
street
parking,
three
curb
cuts
for
driveway,
that's
195,
linear
feet
and
there's
also
seven
off
street
parking
places
within
those
five
residences.
So
that's
like
seventeen
parking
spaces
that's
available
now,
if
everyone
who
lived
in
those
five
places
had
three
people,
three
cards
that
that's
15
parking
spaces
to
fill,
that
space
and
I've
never
had
any
problems
getting
to
my
house,
I
think
twice
in
three
years
and
that's
the
truth.
K
K
D
K
There
are,
if
you've
been
on
Columbia,
there's
a
lot
of
garages
that
are
used
for
storage.
We
don't
use
them
for
parking,
at
least
on
the
south
side.
On
the
north
side,
the
parking
is
better.
They
have
off
street
garages,
except
for
the
neighbor
across
who
only
has
one
parking,
space
and
I've
never
complained
about
anybody
parking
in
front
of
my
house
and
then
I
I,
don't
know
anybody
else
that
that
you
know
it
affects,
but
I
talked
to
all
three
of
my
name's
that
it
would
affect
them.
One
does
mine.
L
My
name
is
Bill
sue,
Franek,
34,
Grosvenor
Street,
when
this
matter
was
originally
scheduled,
I
I
didn't
plan
to
speak,
but
notice
has
been
short
and
I
submit
that
that's
kept
down
the
number
of
people
who
are
appearing
here
to
speak
and
so
I
took
it
upon
myself
to
come
and
I
did
prepare
this
document.
So
that's
gives
me
some
insight
into
it's
going
on
the
court.
I
mean
the
board
has
read
the
document
into
the
record.
L
You
know
I
really
submit
that
the
the
biggest
point
is
the
first
one.
You
know
it
just
cannot
be
claimed
that
this
kind
of
issue
is
not
of
a
general
recurrent
nature.
It
comes
up
all
the
time.
This
board
knows
this
kind
of
issue
comes
up
all
the
time.
Within
my
you
know,
memory
dealing
with
cases
that
are
in
sort
of
my
general
neighborhood
and
I
sort
of
come
ass,
up,
I'm,
just
I'm,
not
up
on
Columbia
I'm,
but
I
am
of
the
general
neighborhood
sort
of
the
Anna
neighborhood
there's
been
one
on
well.
L
There
was
one
on
another
one
on
Grosvenor
that
the
appellant
had
the
good
sense
to
see
that
he
wasn't
going
to
win
and
pulled
it.
That
was
150
Congress.
The
first
one
was
108
Congress,
the
second
one
Louis
and
I.
The
number
gets
away
from
me,
the
one
on
Congress,
but
there
was
one
away
Grosvenor
and
then
150
Grosvenor.
That
was
pulled
and
at
the
same
time
same
day
that
when
a
wait.
L
Grover
Nura
came
up,
there
was
one
on
Congress
and
I'm
gonna,
guess
135,
but
I
think
that's
that's
gone
away
from
me.
It
comes
up
all
the
time.
If
somebody
wants
a
change
of
this
time,
our
court
sort
their
course
is
to
go
to
City
Council
and
see
if
they
can
get.
The
change
you
know
about
the
most
of
these
are
just
hard-nosed
legal
issues,
but
the
question
about
materially
undermined
the
public
interest.
L
L
In
that
connection,
the
point
that
the
appellant
miscalculates
the
effect
of
a
decision
in
his
favor
in
this
case,
because
it's
a
decision
in
his
favor
in
this
case
isn't
just
gonna
come
on
his
case
is
going
to
be
cited
again
and
again
again
by
other
residents
of
Columbia.
And
you
know
the
letter
from.
L
L
L
The
construction
was
at
least
begun
if
not
completed
before
there
was
a
building
permit
and
the
people
were
moved
in.
You
know
and
that's
a
real,
equitable
consideration
here.
I
mean
this.
Is
not
the
situation
miss
Hansen
here
you
know
the
chair
asked
the
question:
did
you
move
people
in?
Yes?
She
had,
but
there
was
another
section
of
the
code
that
allowed
her
to
do
that.
She
was
not
in
violation
of
the
law.
That's
not
the
situation
with
mr.
Kerber
he's
in
violation
of
the
law.
I
submit
that
on
all
the
considerations,
legal,
equitable.
Anything.
L
B
B
L
H
L
You
know
I,
you
know
what
are
they
gonna
do
you
know
I
mean
that's
not
generally
communicated
to
them
right.
You
know
they
present
their
ups
and
it's
would
it
really
make
a
difference
to
them,
because
if
you
look
at
the
cumulative
effect
that
a
variance
you
know
the
variance
is
granted
now.
You
say
well
he's
parking
on
the
street
himself
anyway,
but
so
you're
really
adding
only
one.
You
know,
but
it's
not
just
the
only
one
because
of
the
effect
of
the
precedent.
L
D
I
I
It's
been
our
experience
that
at
times
there
is
significant
difficulty
in
finding
parking
places
there.
If
we
don't
have
the
opportunity
to
park
in
our
own
driveway,
the
people
on
the
north
side
of
Columbia
Avenue
don't
have
any
parking
spaces.
They
have
to
rely
on
what's
available
on
the
south
side
of
Columbia
Avenue.
As
such.
I
That
means
that
those
parking
spaces
there
are
not
just
for
the
people
on
the
south
side
that
half
of
the
park
there,
but
for
those
people
on
the
north
who
also
may
have
guests,
as
ms
Poirot
noted,
she
has
a
garage
that
has
room
for
her
car.
There
isn't
enough
driveway
for
a
guest
to
park
and
so
that
individual
ends
up
having
to
park
on
the
street.
So
we're
opposed
to
this
kind
of
a
variance
because
of
congestion,
and
we
also
have
some
consideration
and
concern
about
property
values.
I
When
you
start
doing
these
kinds
of
things,
there's
been
a
lot
of
work
done,
at
least
in
the
time
that
we've
been
here
to
fix
up
the
street.
We've
done
a
lot
of
work
ourselves
to
make
it
look
nicer
to
bring
bring
it
up
now.
In
mr.
Kirby's
case,
he's
done
some
very
nice
yard
work
in
the
front
of
his
house
and
that's
very
much
appreciated,
but
putting
four
parking
spaces
into
that
very
small
footprint
and
the
property
cannot
do
anything
positive
for
Columbia
Avenue
and
that's
so
that's
our
opinion
on
short
notice.
I
H
I
K
To
begin
with,
mr.
Hanlon
ohms
to
other
properties
right
next
to
his
residence
and
I
would
like
him
to
answer
how
many
off-street
parking
spaces
those
both
Reynolds
have,
and
secondly,
because
I
know
I
would
I
would
say
there
there's
two
apiece
and
they're
not
even
close
to
my
residence
and
when
they
do
partly
park
next
next
door.
You
know
when
they
do
have
a
meeting
or
a
gathering.
K
Oh,
it
was
never
ever
my
intention
to
put
parking
spaces
in
the
front
yard
when
this
variant
or
when
the
petition
was
being
generated,
I
heard
from
neighbor
that
they
were
using
that
as
a
way
to
get
our
position,
I
mean.
If
you
look
at
my
front
yard,
there's
been
tons
of
work
put
in
there.
You
know
why
would
I
you
know.
So
there
was
a
lot
of
assumptions
and
promotion
of
this
idea
that
I
was
going
to
tear
down.
You
know,
put
two
parking
spaces
in
the
front
yard.
K
No
one
talked
to
me:
no
one
asked
my
opinion.
I
have
the
other
option
of
using
the
the
rear
alley
to
put
two
parking
spaces
that
would
look
terrible
in
the
neighborhood
I
agree.
You
know,
I,
don't
want
to
do
that.
I,
don't
want
the
neighborhood
to
be
in
a
detrimental.
You
know,
and
I
just
want
that
the
one
parking
space
to
be
that's
there.
K
That
was
there
previously
when
it
was
a
rental
before
it
was
turned
over
to
our
owner
property
to
be
considered
one
parking
space
I
do
have
some
reservations
about
this
petition
and
I.
Think
I
noted
that
in
the
paper
work
I
gave
you
I
mean
there
is
27
houses
on
the
direct
flock
that
counts.
The
houses
on
north
Congress
are
ignored
Lamia,
but
I
want
to
back
up
first
okay,
so
the
only
person
who
has
one
parking
spaces
on
the
north
side
of
Columbia
is
mrs.:
Paroo,
miss
Paroo
and
that's
out
of
five
houses.
K
Everyone
else
has
double
parking
off
street
parking.
She
is
the
only
one
who
generates
a
need
for
on
street
parking.
Okay
Columbia
has
20
the
block
that
I'm.
If
you
look
at
the
map,
considering
North
Columbia
the
houses
on
South
Columbia,
the
houses
on
this
side
of
Garfield
and
the
two
houses
on
Highland,
there
is
27
houses.
Well
of
those
are
rentals
and
and
and
I
broke
that
down,
for
you,
I
mean
there's.
K
People
who
applied
for
variances
have
been
accepted
for
variances,
that
there
were
two
people
or
three
people
on
that
petition
who
were
appellant
and
were
granted
variances
for
their
property,
but
they're
they're
objecting
to
you
know
my
variance.
You
know
which
is
minimal
to
me.
That's
end
up
so
that
that
reduces
the
signatures.
I
would
think,
and
they
got
renters
to
it
to
mr.
Eden's
renters
sign
that,
and
so
it
really
diminishes.
How
many
addresses
are
addressing
this
petition.
I,
don't
think,
there's
that
much
support
as
they
they
put
on.
K
D
F
K
K
D
K
D
K
K
B
First
thing
was
mr.
Kerber
looted
to
a
previously
issued
rental
permit,
452
Colombia,
that
indicated
there
were
two
parking
spots
that
permit
was
issued
prior
to
the
time.
Parking
was
even
an
issue
at
the
time.
Parking
requirement
was
one
and
a
half
per
unit.
In
other
words,
you
could
have
one
and
a
half
parking
spots
required
for
five
people
in
a
rental
council.
In
it's,
a
1997
ordinance
adopted
in
1998
is
the
ordinance
that
created
this
higher
requirement
for
conversion
since
1998.
B
That
number
really
didn't
didn't
mean
anything
because
there
was
no,
it
wasn't
a
requirement,
so
a
code
officer
looked
there
and
he
didn't
see
a
distance
from
the
sidewalk
to
the
face
of
the
garage
it
looked
like
a
car
could
park
there
and
in
a
car
in
a
garage.
That's
where
there's
an
indication
of,
but
as
on
the
drawings,
as
indicated
in
mr.
kirbridge,
asked
for
some
relief
related
to
a
grandfathering
for
that
parking
spot.
That's
not
possible.
Only
city
and
city
council
has
done
it
say,
for
example,
he
needs
three
parking
spots.
B
B
They
just
never
acted
on
it,
and
just
so
you
know
to
what
the
people
at
15
Garfield
did
was
they
proposed
a
parking
lot
off
the
same
alley,
which
met
the
requirement
and
I
was
in
the
process
of
issuing
a
permit
in
order
to
allow
the
conversion
to
rental,
because
we're
installing
the
right
amount
of
parking
spaces
and
it
caused
quite
a
people
in
the
neighborhood
I
think,
as
mr.
kerb
were
deluded
to
eventually
15
Garfield.
They
just
poked
the
backend
out
of
their
driveway
in
an
r1
zone.
B
You
can
stack
Park
and
that's
how
they
come
up
with
a
requirement.
But
there
is
a
public
alley
there
that
you
know
that
could
be
used
to
access
parking
as
mr.
Kerber
alluded
to,
but
he
would
have
to
have
three
parking
spaces
back
there,
not
two
plus
a
there's,
no
grandfathering
for
the
one
in
the
front
and
take
a
revocable
license
of
council
to
allow
that
to
count
as
one
space.
B
Mr.
Gould's
you'd
said
something
about
two
spaces
be
required.
If
a
family
moved
back
in,
there's
no
requirement,
there's
no
parking
requirement
for
existing
residential
structures
if
they
go
from
rental.
Back
to
owner-occupied,
if
they
have
no
parking,
there's
no
parking
requirement
that
that
owner-occupied
requirement
is
only
for
new
construction.
If
that
were
the
case,
there's
a
lot
of
places
in
town
with
no
parking
and
we'd
have
a
line
out
the
door
hearing
that
many
cases.
B
So
there
is
no
law
related
to
that
converting
from
rental
back
to
owner-occupied.
There
was
some
allusion
to
the
possibility
of
leasing,
offsite
parking.
The
board
has
considered
that
on
occasion,
but
when
it's
in
some
proximity
to
a
zone
where
parking
lots
are
permitted
in
r1
and
r2
zones,
parking
on
a
lot
is
for
the
exclusive
use
of
the
resident.
So
if
you
recall
that
was
the
same
situation,
I
think
mr.
su
Franek
alluded
to
up
on
Congress,
because
in
that
case
the
neighbors
had
talked
the
lady
next
door.
B
There
was
an
alley
that
went
down
to
a
garage
that
she
didn't
use,
and
that
was
another
one
of
the
variances
that
was
required
on
that
property
to
allow
parking
off
site
in
a
zone
where
parking
was
only
permitted
for
the
exclusive
use
of
the
resident.
So
there's
really
no
the
lease
the
ability
to
lease
parking
would
be
somewhere
down
on
Columbus
Road
or,
let's
see
further
down
the
street
at
the
intersection
of
Lancaster
and
second
well,
actually,
its
second
Lancaster
Columbus
Road.
There's
a
lot
of
things
going
on
that
intersection.
K
A
Yeah
movie
grand
of
variants
and
case
number
Oh
six
days,
13b
ozone
are
one
located.
52
Columbia,
Avenue,
Gary,
Gerber
Kerber
is
the
appellant.
The
appellant
is
requesting
a
variance
from
section
23
point:
11
table
B
off-street
parking
requirements
to
permit
conversion
of
a
single-family
residence
to
owner
occupied
with
rumors,
where
three
parking
spaces
are
required
and
none
are
provided.
H
F
H
D
D
A
D
H
D
G
D
B
D
A
B
C
C
C
D
B
At
the
beginning,
when
you've
read
through
the
jurisdiction
of
the
board,
the
first
thing
normally
at
the
board
does
is
consider
requests
for
variances,
but
you
also
consider
temporary
use
substitution
of
non-conforming
use
and
appeals
or
the
decision
of
zoning
inspectors
in
questions.
So
this
isn't
one
of
those
kind
of
off
categories.
I'm
substitution
and
non-conforming
use.
I.
Think
the
last
case
you
heard
like
this
was
down
on
foster
place.
B
Greg
Chapman
had
a
had
two
houses
down
there,
that
didn't
have
very
much
parking
at
all
and
you
allowed
him
to
substitute
the
construction
of
a
brand
new
building
for
the
demolition
of
these
two
small
or
approximately
a
hundred
and
twenty
one
hundred
thirty
year
old
structures.
So
that's
the
last
time
the
boards
heard
one
of
the
substitution
type
cases
there's
a
possibility
of
looking
at
this
in
two
different
ways
and
at
first
in
mr.
Chapman's
case,
said
no.
B
B
There's
a
house
in
the
front.
A
single-family
home
oxygen,
see
right
now
of
I.
Believe
it's
three
three
tenants
in
the
front
house
there's
a
garage
in
the
back
that
has
a
grandfathered
garage
apartment
or
a
second
residential
structure.
So
that's
the
existing
nonconformity,
the
occupancy
there
is
for
two
people.
B
B
K
B
Parking
is
not
a
problem,
he
parking
can
be
deed,
restricted.
This
is
an
r3
zone
and
parking
can
be
deed,
restricted
so
long
as
it's
in
an
our
three
or
higher
same
ownership
and
within
two
hundred
and
fifty
feet.
So
the
parking
here
is
not
an
issue.
There'll
be
no
need
to
expand
any
of
the
existing
parking
areas.
B
The
question,
though,
is
increasing
the
occupancy
from
two
to
I
believe
what
he's
requesting
is
ten
people
in
this
newly
constructed
building,
so
basically
nothing's
going
to
change
except
one
building,
is
going
to
get
substituted
for
almost
exactly
the
same
size
ability.
The
big
question
is:
is
it
all
right
to
go
from
two
tenants
up
to
a
total
of
ten
or
an
increase
in
eight.
B
B
B
I
B
Through
its
creation
with
Pogo
Meier
and
associates
from
Bowling
Green
Ohio,
the
Planning
Commission
is
about
to
send
their
review
of
it
back
to
City.
Council,
that's
going
to
happen
just
in
the
in
the
next
few
weeks,
so
but
I
just
wanted
to
give
you
an
idea
about
the
direction,
at
least
that
the
draft
comprehensive
plan
is
looking
at
in
this
particular.
D
F
B
B
B
B
Included
in
in
your
considerations
for
not
more
objectionable
use,
there
are
setbacks,
also
that
are
that
are
non-conforming,
but
the
reason
that
I
didn't
even
met
I
mean
just
mentioning
them
now,
because
the
back
of
that
building
is
not
40
feet
away
from
from
landmark,
but
it's
not
more
objectionable.
What
he's
requesting,
but
I
did
want
to
bring
it
to
your
attention
that
the
back
of
the
existing
building
is
right
just
about
on
the
property
line.
Well,
it's
not
landmark.
B
Now
it's
proposed
to
to
have
new
new
residential
construction
at
the
site
that
most
current
developers
kind
of
dropped
out,
but
the
Planning
Commission
meeting
on
June
1st,
the
owners,
Hayes
and
Cornwell,
will
be
at
the
Planning
Commission,
with
a
new
proposal
for
the
development
of
the
area
just
adjacent
to
this
or
just
to
the
west.
Oh
and.
C
A
D
B
D
B
Correct
okay,
but
what
we
looked
at
and
the
thing
we'd
consider
too
non-conforming
buildings
can
only
be
improved,
no
greater
than
65%
of
the
county,
auditor's
value
assessed
or
value
determined,
and
we
figured
that
calculated
that
to
be
just
about
$35,000.
So
mr.
Faron
could
improve
that
property
and
increase
the
occupancy
with
restriction
for
the
parking
up
to
$35,000.
B
The
building
is
also
located
in
a
special
flood
hazard
area.
Those
regulations
say
that
a
non-conforming
building,
which
this
is
the
first
floor,
is
below
the
base.
Flood
elevation
can
only
be
improved
50%
of
the
market
value
of
the
building.
Again
we
took
auditors
values
and
made
some
calculations
based
on
market
value
being
a
little
higher
than
the
auditors
value.
It
still
didn't
come
out.
It
was
still
below
$40,000
one
of
the
benefits
of
this
reconstruction.
As
far
as
flood
damage
prevention
is
concerns.
B
The
new
construction
will
have
to
be
flood
proofed
or
flood
compliant,
so
that
first
floor.
New
construction
will
have
to
be
at
the
base.
Flood
elevation
plus
one
foot,
so
you
know
that's
just
floodplain-
is
an
overlay.
District
has
different
requirements.
As
I
mentioned,
zoning
code,
65%
improvement
to
non-conforming
the
overlay
zone,
flood
hazard
area,
50%
improvement
and
those
numbers
just
didn't
seem
reasonable
to
take
a
building
in
that
condition,
and
just
I,
wouldn't
I
would
necessarily
describe
it
as
band-aid.
It
to
you
know
just
to
increase
the
occupancy.
B
A
B
B
B
A
B
And
again,
you
may
see
some
things
around
town
where
it
looks
like
a
building
is
almost
totally
hit
the
ground
and
you've.
Never,
you
know,
there's
no
requests
for
anything
like
this
and
again,
usually
that
has
to
do
with
some
nonconformity
of
the
building.
Where
that
65%
improvement
is
the
threshold
for
having
to
come
in
and
speak
to
the
board,
you
can
keep
those
numbers
below
65%.
B
You
know,
that's
why
you
see
some
of
these
buildings
that
look
like
they
should
have
gone
ahead
and
hit
the
ground
end
up
being
reconstruct
and
in
a
lot
of
cases,
I
think
the
people
that
do
that
wish
they
would
have
gone
through
the
process
and
just
started
from
scratch
and
asked
for
a
couple.
Variances.
J
B
We'd
still
have
the
same
situation,
because
if
you
have
two
or
more
residential
structures
on
a
lot
right
now,
that's
described
as
a
Planned,
Unit
development,
so
I
suppose.
If
you
really
want
to
spin
it
hard
these
two
two
structures
on
one
lot
by
definition
or
a
Planned
Unit
development,
just
like
University
Commons,
is
or
a
university
courtyard
or
river's
edge,
because
once
you
get
the
two
buildings,
then
you're
a
Planned
Unit
development.
I.
Don't
that's
not
going
to
change
the
the
comprehensive!
B
It
does
and
in
some
aspects,
address
multiple
units
in
single
structures
so
again
that
the
key
to
why
we're
here
and
looking
at
it
as
a
non-conforming
use
is
because
we
have
two
buildings,
mr.
Fairey,
and
could
tear
down
that
building
in
the
back
and
build
an
addition
on
the
front
house
so
long
as
he
didn't
encroach
in
any
of
the
yard
requirements
go
over
the
heights
requirement
or
the
lock
coverage
requirement
and
not
encroach
into
the
rear
yard
requirement.
B
F
B
B
A
lot
of
them
down
there
that
just
straight
out
got
permits
by
right
and
even
though
they
were
able
to
do
that,
it
may
not
have
been
the
most
positive
thing
for
the
area.
It
may
not
have
been
the
the
most
efficient
construction
technique,
but
it
did
accomplish
what
those
people
wanted
to
do,
which
was
have
as
many
people
on
that
property
as
they
could,
but
not
have
to
come
to
the
Board
of
Zoning
Appeals.
So
you
know
in
that
respect,
I
think
mr.
B
Ferris
being
right
up
front
with
us
here
he
could
do
the
same
thing
on
Palmer
Street
to
quite
a
few
people
have
done,
tear
that
building
down
the
back
and
add
on
to
that
house
the
front
that
was
a
single-family
home
mr.
and
mrs.
feel
it
there
I
met
them
when
I
first
came
here
that
was
there
that
was
his
wife's
family
home
when
there
were
families
on
Palmer
Street
and
there
were
families
that
lived
on
Palmer,
but
I,
don't
think
you
could
identify
any
of
those
houses
now
has
ever
been
owner
occupied.
B
D
M
M
M
To
the
consistency
of
the
neighborhood,
you
know
and
the
way
the
home
looks
it's
a
nice
house
the
way
it
is
like
Steve
elaborated,
it's
an
old,
it's
a
family,
more
more
like
a
family
home
than
actually
a
student
home.
So
basically
me
taking-
and
you
know,
reclaiming
and
putting
a
new
building
in
the
back
where
the
old
existing
building
is
is
I.
Think
that's
you
know,
gonna
remain
with
the
consistency
of
the
neighborhood,
as
per
se,
where
the
building
is
act
as
opposed
to
adding
on
to
the
existing
front,
building
I.
N
M
Homes
that
I
have
right
now
over
there
I'm
sorry
I
thought
I
had
that
off
the
homes
that
I
have
over
there
now
I
have
resided
all
of
them
and
concrete
parking
lot
and
made
everything
look
nice
over
there.
So,
except
for
this
one
garage
apartment
that
I
have-
and
you
know
making
tearing
it
down
and
making
it
look
good.
The
rest
of
the
buildings,
I
think
would
be.
M
You
know,
look
better
for
the
neighborhood
recently
local
delegates
paid
handsomely
for
the
comprehensive
plan
and
which
has
been
scrupulously
covered
in
local
newspaper
and
recently
praised
for
its
thorough
research
and
overall
professionalism.
This
comprehensive
plan
was
created
with
the
help
of
several
local
council
and
planning
commission
members,
among
others,
the
C
plan
ad
s
address
several
key
developmental
issues
for
the
city
of
Athens
poised
for
growth.
C
M
Are
several
suggestions
and
points
of
a
discussion
outlined
in
the
C
plan
which
I
intend
to
touch
upon
here
in
my
proposal
since
the
city
has
invested
so
many
resources
into
the
C
plan?
I
will
put
great
emphasis
on
its
content
to
be
used
as
referenced
here.
The
proposal
of
this
project
is
to
perform
a
substitution
for
the
current
structure
at
18
and
1/2
Palmer
Street
under
Section
2
3.0
75.0
2
of
the
Athens
Revised
Code.
The
overall
dimensions
of
the
current
structure
follow
a
42
by
32
footprint.
M
The
overall
dimension
of
the
proposed
proposed
structure
will
follow
a
40
by
30
footprint,
much
smaller
and
identical
to
the
one
beside
it.
It
will
be
a
two-story
residential
duplex
that
will
accommodate
roughly
10
residents
in
total
since
I
own
properties.
The
only
property
is
located
at
16,
18,
20
and
22
part
Palmer.
Street
parking
for
all
current
proposed
residents
will
be
no
problem,
as
indicated
in
my
attached
drawings.
M
According
to
chapter
neighborhood,
development
of
the
C
plan,
the
land
in
the
Mill
Street
neighborhood
is
predominantly
multi-family
housing
with
buildings
and
conditions
categorized
as
marginal
to
average.
It's
a
neighborhood
conveniently
located
for
students
living
off-campus
with
excellent
circulation.
M
The
sea
plane
continues
by
stating
that
this
region
is
targeted
for
intensive
retreat,
evelopment,
where
a
higher
density
of
residential
development
is
encouraged
all
over
the
location,
essentially
keeping
the
students
in
one
area,
as
opposed
to
other
areas
such
as
you
know,
over
off
a
Morse
Avenue,
and
you
know
trying
trying
to
keep
these
as
more
family
housing
and
trying
to
define
a
more
area
for
the
students.
The
C
plan
calls
for
residential
density
of
30
units
per
acre
in
an
area
where
1450
foot
is
considered.
M
High
density
I
am
only
proposing
about
eighteen
point:
five
units
per
acre
and
an
area
consisting
of
twenty-three
twelve,
two
thousand
three
hundred
and
twelve
foot
slightly
more
than
half
of
the
C
plans,
density,
recommend,
recommendations
and
an
access
of
square
footage.
So
we
can
only
conclude
that
by
granting
of
the
substitution
is
an
accord
with
the
general
purpose
and
intent
of
the
code
for
the
zone
in
which
the
property
is
located.
M
The
granting
of
this
substitution
will
not
be
detrimental
to
the
locale,
but
will
attain
the
highest
and
best
use
for
the
property
by
inserting
a
brand
new
multi-family
home
comparable
to
those
around
it.
These
circumstances
already
applied
to
this
vicinity
because
the
proposed
building
will
be
identical
to
the
adjacent
building
in
every
manner
which
you
happily
approved
to
only
a
few
years
in
the
past.
These
are
the
same
building
plans.
M
Let's
see
here
currently
the
two
structures
look
unbalanced
substituting
this
old
building
with
the
mirror
image
of
the
structure
to
the
south
will
create
uniform,
uniform,
curb
appeal
and
help
improve
the
buffer
between
the
residential
zone
on
Palmer
and
the
commercial
zone
to
the
west.
At
the
old
landmark,
the
greening
of
the
substitution
will
not
substantially
increase
congestion
on
public
streets
because
it
creates
more
off
street
parking
in
a
district
that
already
has
enhanced
pedestrian
and
traffic
circulation.
M
Public
safety
should
increase
with
the
replacement
of
a
deteriorating
building
with
a
brand
new
one
and
by
assembling
more
of
the
students
into
an
in
clave
that
best
suits
their
needs.
There
are
no
special
privileges
being
conferred
to
me
here,
as
I've
already
done
this
before
and
wish
to
follow.
The
same
course
of
action
this
time
around.
M
Palmer
Street,
as
I've
indicated
in
my
drawings,
and
on
the
tax
card,
I
am
proposing
a
higher
density
residential
development
in
a
neighborhood
where
this
is
encouraged
word-for-word
by
the
Comprehensive
Plan
I
am
only
trying
to
accomplish
the
goals
outlined
in
the
Comprehensive
Plan
within
the
Athens
code
office
requirements
to
achieve
the
highest
and
best
use
for
this
property.
I.
D
N
M
A
M
M
D
Are
we
going
to
be
discussing
after
you
sit
down?
Is
that
if
this
is
more
objectionable
use
than
what
it
was,
what
presently
is
in
your
thoughts
on
that
I'm
sorry,
surgeon
is:
is
this
new
your
proposal?
Is
it
more
objectionable
use
than
what
it
is
now?
This
is
what
we
have
to
discuss.
We
have
to
see
if
this
your
proposal
is
more
objectionable,
I'm.
M
D
You
can't
just
be
counting
on
the
parking
on
the
other
properties
that
you
have
within
this
property,
so
I
don't
have
any
number
for
how
many
other
people
are
in
the
other
properties
and
how
many
parking
there
is.
But
we
have
to
live
collectively
how
many
people
there
are
and
how
many
parking
right.
M
If
you
look
at
the
area
back
there,
it's
pretty
it's,
it's
almost
like
a
parking
lot.
The
way
it
is
back
there.
You
know
to
say
that
people
on
twenty-two
Palmer
when
they
go
back
there
aren't
parked
over
behind
eighteen
Palmer
Street
people
at
60,
Palmer
Street,
may
be
parked
behind
20
Palmer
Street
is
pretty
much
a
collection.
You've.
A
B
B
B
F
D
B
B
M
M
H
M
Yeah
yeah
I'd
include
this
whole
area
basically,
would
be.
There
is
21
current
parking
spaces
in
this
area
right
here
and
then
in
this
area
right
here,
there's
currently
20
parking
places,
so
you
can
see
where
they
can.
You
know
kind
of
jump
back
and
forth
and
park
right
in
here
or
go
from
here
over
in
here.
You
know,
like
I
said
it's
almost,
you
know
concreted
this
whole
area
and
defined
it
with
stripes.
So
you
know
people
can
kind
of
flow
in
and
flow
out.
M
M
I
think
I
think
that
I've
tried
to
touch
upon
everything
you
know
adequately
and
basically
gets
the
rest
is
in
your
hands.
Let's
just
decide
whether
I
want
to
fix
up
the
old
building
or
tear
it
down
and
add
to
the
other
building
which
some
other
people
did,
which
I
wouldn't
require
a
variance
or
come
to
you
and
try
to
do
it
the
right
way.
Okay.
Thank
you,
sir.
Thank
you.
D
D
A
We
grant
a
substitution
of
non-conforming
use
to
encase
number
Oh
6
15s
zone
are
three
located
at
18
and
18
and
1/2
Palmer
Street,
Anthony,
Ferren
appellant.
The
appellant
is
requesting
a
substitution
of
a
non-conforming
use
to
principal
structures
on
one
lot,
with
a
total
of
five
tenants
where
a
maximum
of
one
principal
structure
is
permitted
for
a
not
more
objectionable
use,
two
structures
with
a
total
of
13
tenants
with
parking
deed
restrictions.
H
C
H
H
F
D
A
B
D
B
B
I
had
recommended
what
I
was
thinking
about
recommending
to
the
board
was
not
because
we've
been
going
for
almost
a
month
trying
to
figure
out
days.
We
could
hold
two
meetings.
Finally
came
up
with
a
night
where
we
thought
we
could
hold
one
meeting
and
really
we're
just
barely
able
to
do
that.
So
I'd
recommend
that
we
wait
and
have
the
four
cases
that
are
remaining
from
the
two
agendas
scheduled
for
the
regular
meeting
on
the
13th.
That's
only
about
two
weeks
away
that.
B
H
B
A
B
Well,
I,
guess
that's
why
I
wanted
to
have
the
discussion
at
this
meeting
tonight?
When
can
we
have
another
meeting?
I
don't
want
to
see
it
really
makes
it
hard.
Although
I
know
it's
hard
on
a
penance
and
you
want
to
have
their
cases
heard,
trying
to
notify
all
of
them
and
really
get
good
sufficient
notice
to
the
parties.
D
A
D
Make
a
comment
in
here
publicly
that
I
think
our
chair
should
take
a
more
active
role
in
the
organization
of
this
whole
meeting.
That's
what
all
of
it
sure
is,
and
it
sure
should
really
be
in
charge
of
scheduling
and
because
I
know
this
is
it
difficult
for
you
have
to
deal
with
us
and
with
the
appellant
is
not
fair
to
their
parents?
D
It's
not
talk
to
us
and
that's
something
that
if
this
responsibility
she
cannot
do,
we
have
to
have
a
sign
somebody
who
can
be
in
charge
of
their
scheduling
and
in
contacting
with
people.
The
number
of
emails
I
get
from
the
chair
is
very
minimal
and
information
I
get
through
you
and
some
of
them
are
you
know
not
everyone
is
informed.
Sometimes
you
know-
and
this
is
not
fair
to
the
people
who
come
in
here-
to
have
to
wait
four
months.
B
B
It
takes
a
tremendous
amount
of
time
and
energy
to
look
up.
All
these
addresses
find
all
these
people
make
all
these
phone
calls
send
all
these
letters
and
to
have
to
do
it
over
and
over
and
over
again
I
don't
mind
doing
it,
but
putting
it
into
really
tight.
You
know
constraints
timeframes
where
I'd
originally
thought
yeah.
If
we
could
bang
bang
out
a
couple
meetings
like
that,
that
might
be
a
good
thing.
It's
ended
up
as
we've
gone
through
just
trying
to
arrange
for
this
meeting.
D
B
I
spoke
yesterday
afternoon
to
mr.
hunter
about
this
particular
situation,
just
to
confirm
that
everything
that
I
was
doing
was,
in
his
opinion,
proper
and
what
I
had
mentioned
to
him
and
what
he
recommended
I
should
do
is
at
the
Planning
Commission
make
a
recommendation
to
them
that
they
revised
the
zoning
code,
section
that
talks
about
membership
of
the
board
and
add
at
least
one
more
alternate,
because
there
that's,
where
the
problems
come
in,
when
we
can't
get
five
people,
and
that
happens
probably
well.
I
won't
say
half
the
time,
but
I
bet.
A
B
Have
three
or
four
meetings
a
year
that
are
postponed
or
delayed
because
we
don't
have
five
members
so
hopefully,
if
I
can
get
that
passed
and
get
one
more
alternate,
we'll
have
a
better
chance
to
get
five
people
out
of
seven.
Then
we
do
five
out
of
six
right
now,
because
it's
hard
to
I
mean
there's
just
so
much
contact.
B
A
B
D
B
We've
had
this
discussion
more
often
than
I'd
like
to
think
about,
if
any
board
member,
for
any
reason
at
all,
it's
not
going
to
be
available
for
a
meeting
that
they
contact
me
immediately
when
they
know
that
information
and
that
way,
I
can
stop
a
mailing.
Stop
a
notification,
stop
a
public
notice
in
the
newspaper
and
try
to
arrange
another
day.
B
There
are
some
times,
I
mean
to
be
real
honest
with
you
when
I
talked
to
mr.
LaBelle
this
afternoon,
at
first
he
told
me
he
said
I'm
ill
and
won't
be
able
to
attend
the
meeting,
and
that's
when
I
thought.
Mrs.
Frederic
would
be
here
too
so,
right
there,
without
even
known
at
all
a
board
member
who
was
well
intended
comes
to
just
about
every
meeting.
All
of
a
sudden,
it's
very.
A
B
So
I
just
like
to
say
that
again
anytime,
you
know
you're
not
going
to
be
here.
Let
me
know
just
as
far
in
advance
as
possible,
because
I
can
offer
the
appellant
the
option
of
having
their
case
continued
before
we
even
come
to
this
meeting
and
more
often
than
not,
that
is
what
happens.
I
mean
really
it's
just
a
matter
of
the
odds,
it's
easier
to
get
three
out
of
five,
that
it
is
three
out
of
four
or
three
out
of
three.
D
F
B
Far
as
I
know,
because
the
emails
we
sent
back
and
forth
had
to
do
with
our
everybody's
availability
prior
to
the
13th
and
now
I'm
bringing
up
something
in
between
the
June
meeting
in
the
July
meeting,
which
I
have
no
idea,
I
think
mrs.
Holly
will
be
back.
She
told
me
she
as
I
recall
she's
supposed
to
be
back
on.
The
fifth
should.
B
Mr
Gru's
er,
if
you
can
be
here
and
mr
goel
z
yeah,
we
can
change
it
to
a
Monday,
a
Friday
but
I
just
say:
try
to
keep
it
about
two
weeks
away
from
now
their
own.
That
way,
it
would
give
me
plenty
of
time
to
do
see
that
the
next
set
of
meetings
out
in
between
I
still
haven't
done.
The
public
notification
on
that.
Yet.
B
B
B
B
Them
if
I
advertise
this
coming
Wednesday
for
those
additional
cases
that
I
have
then
the
meeting
could
be
one
week
away.
Okay,
so
that
could
be
on
the
20th.
Let's
say
just
in
theory
on
the
20th.
Now
that
I'd
still
have
time
to
do
that,
it
would
give
me
a
little
more
cushion
to
get
all
the
mailing
out.
If
we
went
two
weeks
we're
about
two
weeks
out.
D
H
B
B
B
B
B
You
know
in
the
course
of
due
process,
I
can't
force
you
to
stop
doing
something.
The
first
thing
you're
allowed
to
do.
Is
you
have
the
right
first
to
appeal
my
decision,
in
other
words,
I've
made
a
poor
interpretation
or
an
inaccurate
estimation
or
an
appraisal.
The
second
thing
of
someone
that
gets
a
note
of
a
violation
can
do
is
ask
for
a
variance
so,
and
these
are
the
same
kinds
of
situations
where
people
have
done
things
without
permits
and
now
essentially
are
exercising
their
right
to
appeal.
Would.
D
D
D
B
B
F
F
D
L
There's
been
talk
about
the
the
unfairness
to
appellant
of
the
of
the
way
that
you
know
the
procedures
been
going
and
to
the
board.
You
like
to
raise
another
issue,
which
is
the
the
unfairness
to
people
in
the
community.
Who
would
like
to
object.
I
question
the
rule
that
it's
okay
to
just
post
notice,.
L
L
If
and
this
isn't
the
best,
but
if,
if
there's
no,
what
happens
is
notice
that
the
cancellation
doesn't?
Actually
people
don't
receive
notice
of
the
cancellation
because
they
come
and
they
see
the
notice
on
the
board.
It
comes
out
an
hour
or
two
earlier,
or
maybe
even
a
half
a
day
or
sometimes
the
whole
day,
and
so
people
just
don't
show
up,
but
they
don't
go
and
see
anything
on
the
book
on
the
door
there.
Nobody
shows
up
because
they
they
check
and
recheck
on
the
phone
calls.
L
L
But
you've
got
notice
ahead
of
time
when
the
new
hearing
is
because
it's
been
set
at
the
time
or
the
other
ones
been
canceled
another
way
of
approaching
it
be
you
know,
maybe
maybe
if
you
do
want
to
send
out
a
notice
ahead
of
time
that
it's
been
cancelled,
so
people
don't
show
up.
Maybe
people
can
register
somewhere
that
they
want
to
get
notice
of
it.
Specifically,
you
know
and
so
that
they
all
those
people
at
least,
can
get
notice
and
be
hopefully
advised
more
than
just
one
day
I
mean
yeah.
L
I
was
I,
think
heard
Kiki
ten
days
notice,
like
the
second
time.
I
was
wrong.
I
guess
but
I
was
you
know
we
were
in
another
meeting
about
something
totally
unrelated
and
I
asked.
If
you
know
what
about
rescheduling
these
things
and
mr.
L
D
D
D
Been
on
the
board
for
almost
eight
nine
years
now
and
I
think
this
is
maybe
two
second
or
third
time.
You
know
it's
not
a
common
thing.
You
know
we
always
have
had
a
meeting
and
there
has
been
no
cancellation,
maybe
once
in
the
past
or
twice
maybe
that
I
came
to
the
here
and
found
out.
There
was
no
meeting,
it's
very
rare.
You
know
this
is.
L
D
As
long
as
we
still,
you
know
the
field
that
we
need
to
be
here
on
the
second
Tuesday
of
every
month
and
give
advance
notice,
that's
perfect,
you
know,
and
the
second
alternate
would
be
helpful.
Also,
but
again
as
I
mentioned,
this
is
a
very
rare
occasion.
You
know
one
time
we
cancel
because
the
power
was
out
I
believe
that's
the
last
time,
I
remember
and
we
couldn't
come
to
the
building.
Actually
so,
but
I
do
that
great.
We
get
you.
L
A
journey
that
we
scrambled
well-
and
we
just
I
mean
I-
was
coming
down
here
with
the
notion
of
you
know:
I
might
I
might
object
to
the
notice
and
then
I
decided.
Now
you.
B
Just
so
everyone
knows,
I
do
have
a
request
list,
just
as
the
Planning
Commission
does,
when
an
agenda
is
set
whatever
time
that
might
be,
that
agenda
is
emailed
to
people
who
have
an
ongoing
interest
right
now.
My
email
list
includes
all
the
board
members
quite
a
few
in
individual
citizens,
and
at
least
one
representative
of
every
Neighborhood
Association,
so
I'm
doing
the
best
that
I
can
right
now
on
trying
to
get
that
notice
out
as
quickly
to
the
key
people
who
then
have
phone
trees
or
whatever
to
you
know,
to
get
it
out.
B
So
I
am
in
contact
with
I
hope,
hopefully
are
the
key
people,
especially
in
the
neighborhood
associations.
I
talked
to
mr.
hunter
yesterday
to
to
remind
him
that
he
had
said
that
he
would
do
some
training
for
the
board
in
your
procedures.
Your
operational
kinds
of
things,
questions
you
might
have
I
confirmed
with
him
yesterday
that
he
still
wants
to
do
that
very
shortly
within
the
next
few
weeks.
B
You'd
also
discuss
too
that
it
might
be
a
joint
workshop
with
Nelsonville
planning.
Commission
Nelsonville
board
his
own
appeals,
but
mr.
hunter
still
does
intend
very
shortly
to
go
through
that
training
session.
I
think
this
would
be
a
good
question
for
him
at
that
time.
Is
there
something
that's
locked
in
legally
that
has
to
be
done,
or
is
this
something
that
could
just
be
amended
through
the
policies
and
procedures
of
the
board.
B
About
seven
years
ago,
I
took
over
the
function
of
the
housing
and
Zoning
Appeals
Board
secretary,
that
was
a
20-hour
part-time
job
that
the
city
had.
We
were
kind
of
in
a
budget
crunch
at
the
time,
and
I
voluntarily
absorbed
that
half
time
position
between
the
hours,
Paul,
Eschenbach,
ER
and
I
put
in
two.
If
there's
a
lot
of
other
things
we
should
be
doing,
it
just
adds
to
our
workload.
We
don't
mind
doing
it.
B
We
understand
the
city
has
budgetary
constraints,
and
we
also
know
that
we
have
to
provide
a
certain
level
of
service
to
the
community,
but
I
think
what's
happening
here,
it's
being
Illustrated
that
our
service
levels
diminishing
and
how
far
do
we
want
it
to
go
down
before
it's
not
acceptable.
So
I.
B
F
B
Not
been
mentioned,
I
don't
know
if
that
position
still
exists
in
the
staffing
ordinance.
I,
don't
know
if
there's
any
money
there
for
that
or
not
my
office
used
to
have
two
full-time
and
three
part-time
clerical
people
I
have
one
full-time
in
one
part-time
now,
so
the
trend
is
not
toward
more
clerical
help.
A
D
F
B
I
always
sent
whenever
I
do
establish
an
agenda
part
of
that
notification.
Email
lists
what
I'm
talking
about
that
I
send
out
just
as
quickly
as
possible,
is
the
government
channel
and
they
run
the
agenda
on
the
government
Channel
see
because
I
can
get
that
on
instantly.
It
takes
me
four
or
five
days
lead
time
to
get
an
ad
in
the
paper.
B
If
you
have
concerns
about
the
city
website,
Forrest
is
essentially
the
webmaster
for
that
he's
been
working
on
some
changes,
because
I
believe
counsel
had
concerns
about
the
format
that
the
website
used
to
be
in
Ron
has
converted
it
to
a
different
type
of
format,
which
was
quite
a
process.
I
understand
for
him
to
do,
and
there
are
just
some
of
those
things
where
he's
just
not
able
he's
not
been
able
to
get
back
to
them.
B
B
B
Those
revisions
are
almost
up
to
right
up
to
date,
where
we
had
a
four
year
lag:
the
law,
directors
offices,
particularly
mr.
Miller,
who's.
Now
updating
that
as
things
come
out,
that's
one
attempt
you
know
to
try
to
get
the
best
information
and
most
accurate
information
available
out
to
people,
but
it's
hard,
it's
hard,
there's
just
I,
don't
want
to
kind
of
a
moan
it,
but
there's
just
lots
to
do
and
few
of
us
to
do
it.
It's
not
that
we
don't
want
to
do
it.
Believe
me.