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Is
a
meeting
of
the
Board
of
Zoning
Appeals
this
time
705?
The
meeting
is
now
called
to
order.
The
date
is
to
October
10
2006.
The
board
consists
of
five
members
and
one
or
two
alternates.
The
alternate
takes
full
part
in
discussions
of
the
board
and
becomes
a
voting
member
in
the
absence
of
a
conflict
of
interest
of
a
regular
member
excuse
me
present
this
evening.
Our
members
John
gol
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Roger
Cruiser,.
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Excuse
me,
Greg,
Lebel
and
Hector
Florez
are
alternate
who
this
evening
is
going
to
be
sitting
as
a
regular
voting.
Member
and
I
am
Uriel
Frederick.
The
chair
also,
president.
This
evening
our
Steve
Pearson
from
the
our
Zoning
Administrator
Paul
issue,
Becker
our
acting
secretary
and
Michael
Miller
from
the
law
director's
office.
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The
board
operates
according
to
the
following
procedure.
The
chaired
means
and
describes
the
case.
The
Zoning
Administrator
cites
the
specifics
of
the
refusal,
the
appellate
or
a
representative,
then
will
cite
the
state
the
case
for
granting
the
appeal
testimony
next
will
be
taken
from
those
who
support
the
granting
of
appeal.
Then
those
who
wish
to
speak
in
general
comment
and
those
who
support
the
denial
of
the
appeal
following
all
testimonies
the
board
will
receive
the
concluding
remarks
from
the
appellant
discussion
from
the
floor
then
will
be
closed.
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So
that
the
spirit
of
the
code
shall
be
observed,
public
safety
and
welfare
secured
and
substantial
justice
done,
Athens
City,
Code,
section
23,
onesie
Rosi
further
requires
that
variances
from
the
code
shall
not
be
granted
unless
the
board
makes
specific
findings
of
facts
based
directly
on
the
evidence
provided
to
it
that
each
and
every
one
of
the
following
six
criteria
are
met,
number
one
is
practical
difficulty
or
unduly
hardship.
There
must
exist
a
practical
difficulty
or
an
undue
hardship
caused
by
exceptional
circumstances
pertaining
to
the
specific
piece
of
property.
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Exceptional
circumstances
is
the
second:
there
must
exist,
exceptional
circumstances
or
conditions
applying
to
the
property
for
its
intended
use
that
do
not
a
general
apply
to
properties
in
the
same
zoning
district.
The
third
is
preservation
of
equal
property
rights.
It
must
be
determined
that
literal
interpretation
of
the
code
would
deprive
the
appellant
from
rights
commonly
enjoyed
by
others
in
the
same
vicinity,
while
granting
the
variance
would
not
convey
a
special
privilege.
The
fourth
is
that
it
must
be
a
minimum
variance.
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It
must
be
determined
that
the
variance
is
the
minimum
required
to
make
reasonable
use
of
the
property.
The
fifth
is
absence
of
detriment.
It
must
be
determined.
The
granting
of
the
variance
will
not
be
of
substantial
detriment
to
adjacent
properties,
nor
materially
impair
the
purposes
of
the
code
or
the
public
interest
and
finally,
not
of
a
general
nature.
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The
variance
thought
must
be
hidden
must
not
be
of
a
general
or
recurring
nature
such
that
the
situation
would
more
reasonably
be
handled
by
changing
it
along
any
person
whose
aggrieved
by
the
decision
of
the
board
may
file
an
appeal
to
the
Court
of
Common
Pleas.
Such
petition
must
be
filed
within
30
days
after
the
mailing
of
the
board's
resolution
to
the
applicant
this
evening.
There
are
four
cases
on
the
agenda.
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D
The
second
case
is
Oh
6
to
5
the
v4
102
West
Union
Street,
which
is
Zone
B,
1,
Abdi,
Sheikh
or
Jake,
is
the
appellant
number
o
6
2
6
V
4
3
5
1
Carroll
road,
which
is
zoned
r1,
Issac
and
Julie
Thomas
are
the
appellant
and
Oh
6
2
7
3
4
20
Graham
drive,
which
is
zoned
r1
Michael
Moulton
is
the
appellant.
The
board
is
required
by
law
to
take
testimony
and
under
oath
anyone
who
is
wishing
to
speak
this
evening,
even
if
you
think
we
might
possibly
speak.
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E
D
E
Finally,
just
yesterday
after
knowing
this
Frederick,
you
were
going
to
be
available
found
that
out
just
yesterday,
I
called
my
goal
and
asked
him
if
he
still
wished
to
have
his
case
heard
tonight.
He
said
that
he
made
withdrawal.
They
may
not
want
to
ask
for
the
sign
that
they're
at
that
was
advertised
on
the
agenda,
for
they
might
want
to
modify
it
so
it'll
either.
Be
modified
or
heard
as
presented
at
the
next
meeting
or.
E
In
a
second
case,
I
tried
to
get
ahold
of
the
appellant
and
the
phone
number
that
I
had
for
him
when
I
called
it
just
said,
this
phone
does
not
receive
incoming
phone
calls
and
he's
from
Columbus,
so
I
thought
about
driving
at
Columbus
over
the
weekend.
But
I
didn't
that's
okay.
So
given
given
the
unusual
circumstance
and
notification
problems,
I
kinda
know
about
you
guys,
but
I
really
don't
have
a
problem
with
him.
Coming
to
the
next.
D
E
E
351
Carroll
road,
to
my
best
of
my
knowledge,
is
the
last
vacant
lot
in
Oakmont
3.
It's
on
that
long
extension
of
Carroll
Road,
headed
back
in
it,
would
be
in
the
last
block,
Carroll
Road
before
you
get
down
to
warwick
between
Dov
and
warwick,
there
are
two
houses
on
the
corner
and
then
2,000
on
the
corner,
one
just
back
from
the
farthest
house
in
this
vacant
lot.
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So
this
is
the
last
lot
to
be
build
on.
The
request
is
for
a
16-foot
setback
instead
of
a
25-foot
setback
and
the
arguments
of
the
opponents
are
contained
in
the
record
and
each
one
of
you
received
a
copy
of
that.
It
addresses
practical
difficulty,
undue
hardship,
exceptional
circumstance,
absence,
a
detriment
and
all
those
issues
that
are
required
to
be
answered
by
an
appellant
and
on
which
the
board
must
basics.
Findings.
F
F
E
The
house
was
built
in
accordance
with
the
required
25-foot
725.
Okay
I've
got
some
calls
from
people
in
the
neighborhood
the
one
to
know
why.
That
house
seemed
to
be
further
in
front
of
the
house
right
next
door
to
it
that
actually
had
received
a
variance.
What
happened
was
the
house
with
the
variance
was
actually
constructed
at
about
28
feet
back
so,
even
though
they
had
at
variance
they
didn't
take
advantage
of
it.
The
house
was
built
where
the
variance
was
denied.
F
E
E
If
you
happen
to
have
a
chance
to
go
up
in
that
neighborhood
and
look
there's
some
very
high
rear
basement
walls
on
a
lot
of
those
structures
right
there
am
I
believing
the
appellant
arguments
in
order
to
meet
the
setback
requirement.
Their
builders
told
them
the
25
horses
of
block
will
be
necessary,
so
at
eight
inches
of
block,
that's
18
feet
approximately
18
feet
of
masonry
back
wall
that
that
height
will
be
diminished.
If
they
can
move
the
house
for.
E
E
E
Of
the
property
the
end
of
the
right
way,
therefore,
the
distance
from
the
back
of
the
sidewalk
to
the
face
of
the
garage
will
be
20
feet
and
I
know.
I.
Just
today
received
a
letter
from
a
neighbor
lived
right
across
the
street
I
believe
she
told
me
her
letter
as
opposed
to
granting
the
variance
and
I
think
part
of
her
argument,
or
at
least
in
our
discussion.
Part
of
the
argument
was
the
distance
from
the
face
of
the
garage
back,
what
a
vehicle
block
the
sidewalk.
E
E
Working
the
driveway
would
be
in
the
right
away
and
not
share
in
common
an
area
with
the
sidewalk,
which
is
an
area
for
HIPAA
good
from
parking
in
any
area
common
to
a
sidewalk
in
a
driveway.
You
can't
walk
in
anyway,
so
from
one
from
an
area
that
you
can't
walk.
Far
aside,
the
backside
of
the
sidewalk
to
the
face
of
the
garage
will
be
20
feet,
4
feet
or
right
away,
16
feet
of
actual
property.
C
J
J
J
But
one
of
the
things
I
want
to
mention
is
that
our
black
is
actually
12
inches
instead
of
8,
which
helps
right
now
we're
at
20
courses,
and
it
will
be
at
least
25
courses.
High
and
I
know
that
a
lot
of
the
neighbors
have
mentioned
that
they
all
of
the
neighbors
on
Warwick
of
all
their
backyards.
Look
at
the
back
of
our
house,
and
they
were
telling
me
that
they
much
rather
have
shorter
back
wall
to
look
at
for
their
view
and
worry
about
the
front
which
is
minimal
to
them.
J
They
drive
by
it
every
day.
It
wouldn't
change
their
view
for
driving
or
anything
there's
a
letter
from
someone
else
right
across
the
street
from
us
as
well
and
there's
one
from
neighbors
that
are
right
next
to
us,
and
then
there
are
two
more
that
are
farther
down
so
they're
all
different.
They
have
a
different
point
of
view
from
where
our
house
is.
J
This
house
on
yeah,
okay,
this
well,
the
all
the
Lots
in
this
subdivision,
were
put
there.
They
were
a
bit
made
available
so
that
anyone
can
build
a
home
on
them
and
when
we
went
we
had
the
plan
figured
out,
but
when
we
went
to
actually
do
mistakes
and
figure
out
where
the
house
would
go
its,
we
found
out
that
actually
having
the
wall,
that
high
wouldn't
be
more
detrimental
to
the
structure
of
the
house.
We'd
have
to
bring
a
lot
more
fill,
which
and
I
wasn't
I
didn't
seem
to
me.
J
D
That's
that's
the
problem
is
that,
though,
when
it
was
plaited,
the
implementation
was
that
whoever
built
on
it
would
do
that
sort
of
wall
and
so
forth.
Did
you
considered
any
any
point
any
kind
of
a
building,
a
design
that
would
take
advantage
of
the
of
the
hill,
the
slope
of
the
hill,
so
that
you're
you're?
J
We've
thought
about
that,
but
we
wanted
to
make
sure
we
had
a
two-story
home
with
a
basement
that
was
gonna,
walk
in
and
also
have
a
home
that,
like
everyone
else's
that
lives
there,
they
have
the
that
table
and
we
didn't
feel
we
should
have
to
change
the
whole
structure
of
our
house
to
have
a
house
that's
similar,
likeness
to
everyone
else's
in
the
subdivision.
We
know
it's
in
deed
restrictions,
that's
something
that's
very
important
to
everybody
there.
They
wanted
them
to
have
the
likeness.
So
you
thought
you
know
you.
H
D
C
D
D
D
Let's
see,
I
got
the
one
from
Michael
and
Theresa
Meyer
at
three
five
three
Carroll
Road
and
says
we're
writing
this
memo
in
support
of
Julie
and
Isaac
Thomas,
who
are
attempting
to
gain
variance
on
the
construction
of
their
new
home.
We
will
be
living
next
door
to
Thomas
to
the
Thomas's
and
believe
that
eight
to
nine
feet
will
in
no
way
impact
the
appearance
of
the
home
in
the
neighborhood
or
have
any
negative
impact
on
the
neighborhood.
D
We,
the
owners
of
the
property
at
three
five
for
Carroll,
Road,
Jeffrey
and
jedicon
Wisner,
have
no
objections
to
the
request
request.
We
believe
a
modified
setback
of
16
feet
would
not
be
detrimental
to
the
properties
of
our
street
and
they
before
the
steep
slope
of
the
hill,
makes
the
need
for
fill
necessary
and
a
greater
setback
with
Ruth
bar
greater
fill,
which
could
have
an
adverse
it's
instability.
We
want
this
requested
or
variance,
is
granted.
D
Against
and
then
two
more
in
favor
and
the
one
from
three
five
two,
which
is
a
directly
across
the
street
from
us
property
dear
and
and
the
writer
is
Sophia
stars.
Ik
I
will
not
be
able
to
attend
the
public
hearing.
Concerning
the
requester
of
variants.
That's
been
filed
for
property
at
three
five,
two
Carroll
Road
I
leave
it
there.
L
D
Three
500
is
your
property
right.
Three,
five
one:
three
five
one:
okay
I
live
at
three
five,
two
Carol
Road
in
Athens
Ohio.
My
house
is
situated
the
garage
exactly
across
from
the
property
hurtness.
This
gem
is
Thomas
plan
to
build
their
family
house.
I
wanted
to
express
my
concerns
about
the
approval
of
the
16
foot,
front
yard
setback.
I
think
the
variance
would
result
in
a
negative
visual
impact
on
our
neighborhood.
This
is
a
well-established
neighborhood
at
this
point
and
giving
a
variance
will
be
a
special
privilege
given
to
the
applicant
mr.
D
MS
Thomas
decided
to
build
their
house
in
this
well-established
neighborhood
and
they
should
meet
the
compatibility
standards
they
should
try
to
blend
into
our
environment
and
fit
in
the
flavors
and
the
positive
rather
than
a
negative
impact.
I
do
not
see
reasons
for
justifiable
reasons
for
a
reduction
of
the
minimum
front
yard
setback.
The
house
loaded
located
at
three
five
three
Carroll
Road
has
been
built.
According
to
the
city
at
the
city
zoning
code,
reducing
the
front
yard
setback
will
put
the
house
less
than
five
meters
from
her
side.
D
Water
I'm
concerned
that,
if
applicants
will
choose
to
park
their
vehicle
in
their
driveway,
it
will
not
be
an
adequate
area
department
obstructing
the
sidewalk.
Furthermore,
Carol
Rhodes
point
Mero.
If
there
has
being
only
16
feet
from
the
road
I
will
not
be
able
to
fully
enjoy
my
house
I
fear.
It
may
also
have
a
negative
impact
on
the
real
property
value
should
I
need
yourself.
I
would
like
to
emphasize
that
granting
the
variance
will
not
be
beneficial
to
our
neighborhood
I'm.
Certainly
mr.
D
and
miss
Thomas
will
be
able
to
have
a
reasonable
use
and
enjoyment
of
the
property
without
the
variance
and
thank
you
for
your
consideration
and
then
from
Jeff
and
Mariah
short
at
15
Warwick
Lane
in
reference
to
case
Oh,
6,
6,
VAR,
Agusta,
variance
for
Isaac
and
Julie
Thomas
for
the
property
at
three
five
one
Carroll
road.
We,
the
owners
of
fifteen,
were
with
Blaine,
Jeff
and
Mariah
short,
have
no
objections
to
this
request.
We
believe
the
setback
of
16
feet
with
nothing
a
problem
to
the
properties
in
our
neighborhood.
D
The
slope
of
the
hill
will
make
it
necessary
for
a
large
amount
of
fill
dirt
to
share
the
homeless
stabilized
poplar.
This
will
not
impair
our
view
as
we
drive
by
the
house.
It
will
only
enhance
it.
We
hope
this
move
because
for
a
variance
is
granted
and
then
actually
this
is
from
this
one
letter
is
assigned
by
two
different
families
from
7,
Warwick,
Lane
and
8,
dubbed
thrive,
its
James
and
Angela
Thomas
and
Jeff
and
D
Morgan
I
understand
our
future.
D
Neighbors
Isaac
and
Julieta
Julie
Thomas
are
seeking
a
variance
for
their
property,
we're
in
supportive
of
approving
this
variance,
allowing
a
setback
of
16
versus
25
feet,
we're
neighbors
living
on
the
side,
streets
of
Devon
Warwick.
From
our
perspective,
we
will
be
looking
at
their
back
yards.
We
understand
their
back
yard.
We
understand
no
matter
what
the
setback
will
be
at
the
front
of
the
house,
we'll
have
the
same
two
storey,
height
and
curbside
appeal.
As
for
the
back
of
the
house,
a
further
set
back
will
significantly
increase
the
height
of
the
lowest
level.
D
This
height
difference
will
not
be
uniform
when
comparing
all
the
other
houses
under
Warwick
and
our
neighbors
and
five
Warwick
Lane
had
a
variance
that
allowed
the
Murphy's
to
be
closer
to
the
road.
I.
Do
not
feel
this
distance
has
disturbed
the
curbside
appeal
of
their
property.
I
understand
throughout
the
Oakmont
subdivision
that
having
a
minimal
setback
there
are
properties
with
furnaces.
D
We
have
to
allow
a
hospital
closer
to
the
road
we're
in
favor,
of
including
this
property
to
be
approved
for
variance
the
house
will
fit
appropriately
on
the
steep
slope
of
three
five
one
Carroll
Road
and
those
are
our
letters
from
all
your
new
neighbors,
and
there
is
one
question
that
I
wanted
to
ask
Steve
anyway
later
about
whether
or
not
the
yeah
the
reference
about
the
reference,
but
anyway,
now
that
we've
got
all
the
letters.
Does
anybody
have
anything
that
they
need
to
ask
about
this
property?
It's
a
beautiful
location
out
there.
E
C
J
Lot
to
go,
a
ton
of
builders
have
been
building
houses
and
none
of
them
have
touched
this
lot.
Yep,
so
they've
all
been
leaving.
They
were
gonna,
take
it
off
the
market
because
it
wasn't
selling
and
I
talked
to
some
of
the
builders,
and
they
were
saying
there's
way
too
many
difficulties
and
they
didn't
want
to
deal
with
it
or
someone
else.
There
are
other
houses
that
are
being
sold
just
fine
with
with
some
houses
around
them,
having
a
distance
being
different
I,
don't
know.
D
H
M
Julie
said
my
name
is
Bob:
Edwards
I
represent
K
of
Ninian
homes
will
be
building
the
home
I.
Don't
really
have
anything
to
add
other
than
what's
going
to
discuss,
certainly
whether
the
variance
is
granted
or
not,
the
lot
is
buildable
it
would.
It
would
be
a
I'm
going
to
use
the
term
easier.
Do
a
more
feasible
do
if
we
could
move
the
house
forward.
I
think
for
a
lot
of
reasons
and
again,
Steve
was
saying
we
were
actually
going
to
use
12-inch
block
rather
than
8.
M
C
F
M
M
F
It's
I.
M
Do
is
more,
it's
more
doable
structurally,
it
would
look,
it
would
look
better,
it
would
be
more
sound
and
I
understand
and
people
have
built
within
those
standard
setbacks,
which
is
that's
their
prerogative.
Also
I
mean
the
the
appeals
process
where
the
variance
process
is
in
place
for
a
reason,
and
maybe
they
didn't
exercise
their
their
opportunity
to
even
apply
for
aberrancy
I,
don't
know
that
situation,
but
again,
that's
why
we're
here.
M
D
All
right,
thank
you
and
you'll
have
an
opportunity
at
the
end
having
fun
you
get
the
last
word
so
we're
gonna
hear
from
some
other
folks
now,
perhaps
okay,
alright
I,
probably
should
have
done
that
in
Tennessee.
I
probably
should
have
done
the
letters
at
this
court,
but
this
is
the
point
at
which
we
can
hear
from
others
in
favor
of
granting
the
variance
and
we've
already
read
the
letters
but
or
we
have
an
opportunity
for
general
comment.
If
we
don't
have
anybody
here,
who's
wanting
to
speak
in
favor.
O
D
O
Guess
the
thing
to
remember
is
it's
like
a
triangle
and
the
farther
out
you
bring
the
one
of
the
bases
that
the
area
increases
geometrically,
but,
of
course
the
the
volume
is
increasing
by
the
cube.
So
the
farther
out
it
goes
from
the
road,
the
bigger
the
triangle
or
the
the
volume
increases
and,
of
course,
inversely.
If
it's
closer
to
the
road,
the
less
that
you
need.
O
In
the
end,
the
thing
that's
probably
most
distracting
about
media
homes
that
had
to
go
the
full
25
feet
back
is
that
when
you
are
behind
the
house,
it
looks
like
a
very
large
wall.
It
don't
even
look
like
a
home
at
all.
It
was
flat
on
the
back
and
in
some
cases
you
can
put
a
jack
out
on
it,
but
it
looks
rather
rather
odd
compared
to
the
other
homes.
D
K
P
P
G
G
N
P
K
P
Do
not
know
I
can't
tell
because
it
was
dusk
I
think.
Are
you
the
two
people
that
helped
me
find
the
place
over
here
this
mr.
Reiser?
Okay,
there
was
a
man
and
a
woman
walking
and
I
had
a
map,
and
they
showed
me
and
I
thought.
Maybe
you
were
the
ones
her
husband.
Thank
you
that
I
was
going
to
say
they
were
very
courteous
to
try
to
help
me.
She
looked
at
the
map
and.
C
P
P
A
picture
on
the
front
I
stood
on
the
sidewalk
where
and
where
the
hill
is
and
then
I
took
another
picture.
Looking
into
the
distance
around
the
curb
there
was
a
post
over
here.
This
helps
me
get
or
him
no
I
listened
carefully
to
the
comments
about
moving
back
and
forth,
and
so
on.
These
are
technical
questions.
P
P
I
always
would
go
out
and
look
and
do
my
homework
and
I
would
say
to
myself
suppose
I
was
from
outside
of
Athens,
and
somebody
drove
me
up
to
this
property
and
said:
what
do
you
think
you
can
do
with
it
and
I'd
look
at
it
and
I'd
say
well
this
that
well,
no
there's
a
condition
you're
going
to
have
to
build
a
place
on
it.
It's
going
to
be
built,
it's
buildable.
P
It
meets
the
requirements
for
within
the
city
limits
and
all
that
so
far
now
the
thing
that
I
tried
to
visualize
with
these
drawings
that
mr.
Pearson
mr.
Pearson
draws
up
a
file
for
me
so
that
I
can
do
my
homework,
which
I
do
before
I
come
I
tried
to
figure
out.
If
that
particular
house,
the
way
it
was
placed
would
be
the
high
point
in
front
of
this
house
across
the
street,
and
the
house
across
the
street
is
elevated.
Now,
I
didn't
bother
walking
up
the
driveway,
but
I
tried
to
imagine.
P
P
I
would
only
have
concern
about
one
thing
when
I
got
finished.
Looking
at
this
case
now,
I
don't
vote.
I
don't
have
that
much
influence
to
the
board.
The
board
doesn't
pay
attention
to
me.
Sometimes
they
do
sometimes
they
don't.
The
only
thing
that
caught
my
eye
in
the
letter
was
the
paragraph
next
to
the
last
one
and
I
want
to
refer
to
it,
because
it
is
an
issue
that
occurs
every
place.
I
happen
to
live
in
Arizona
for
part
of
the
year
and
I'm
quite
aware
of
this
apartment.
P
P
P
Sometimes
it
does
make
a
difference,
and
sometimes
it
doesn't
I
am
sure
the
board
and
all
of
its
wisdom
will
take
that
into
account
and
I
just
draw
your
attention
to
it.
Other
than
that
this
looks
to
me
like
a
useable
site
and
the
Builder
explained
why,
when
the
chairperson
asked
about
moving
it
back
and
doing
this,
it
has
to
do
with
the
grading.
P
D
P
P
H
D
E
As
I
mentioned,
I
went
out
there
and
did
a
site
review
based
on
the
concern
from
the
property
owner
across
the
street
and
our
conversation.
It's
not
actually
stated
in
the
letter,
but
the
conversation
was:
could
you
actually
park
a
car
in
the
driveway
and
not
block
the
sidewalk
in
reference
to
Carroll
Road
being
a
very
narrow
road,
I'd
say
to
the
contrary,
it's
24
feet
of
pavement,
plus
curb
and
gutter.
E
H
E
E
D
E
C
D
K
D
E
C
E
E
Then,
anytime,
that
you're
building
on
fill
you
have
to
have
proper
compaction.
You
can't
just
drop
it
there
and
start
building
on
it
and
high
walls.
I
was
glad
to
hear
that
they
didn't
have
a
blowout
of
a
back
wall,
because
the
garage
was
on
the
front
rather
than
on
the
back.
I
used
to
be
a
superintendent
for
ryan
homes
and
I
had
a
house
on
a
cul-de-sac.
One
time
it
was
about
twenty
five
horses.
E
H
D
E
D
K
E
D
C
F
F
Probably
wouldn't
make
it
unfair
to
those
people
who
didn't
develop
it,
and
we
also
denied
the
case
on
the
same
street
and
when
the
Builder
said
he
was
a
professional
building
on
his
opinion.
It
was
not
unbuildable
and
was
available
and
when
we
denied
it,
he
found
a
way
to
do
it
and
it
came
real
nice.
You
know,
instance
matter
what
it
was
supposed.
M
D
F
D
D
Then
there
may
be
some,
but
this
is
a
fairly
obvious
case
of
a
practical
difficulty,
but
is
it
an
undue
hardship
caused
by
exceptional
conditions
pertaining
to
this
specific
piece
of
property?
I.
Think
you've
already
said
that
you
feel
that
there
were
other.
They
were
conditions
similar
in
right
down
the
street
that
were
dealt
with
by
well.
D
K
F
D
K
D
B
D
D
D
D
D
Yeah,
okay,
I
live
in
a
monthly
neighborhood,
all
right,
I
grant
you
is
it
in
general,
in
a
development
like
that,
it
is
considered
to
be
an
advantage
to
have
all
the
houses
all
lined
up,
Thanks
trick
or
treating
easier,
not
of
a
general
nature,
would
the
variance
that
they
seek
be
something
general
or
recurring.
Such
the
situation
would
be
more
easily
handled
by
changing
the
law
and
I
would
say
that
this
is
another
step.
N
C
D
One
is
one
we
can
find:
there
is
nothing
general
or
recurring
about
this.
Well,
maybe
it
is.
Is
this
something
that
we
from
I?
If
you
were
going
to
change
this,
would
you
think
that
a
change
in
the
law
would
be
the
appropriate
thing
to
do?
Okay,
all
right,
then,
I'll
be
ready
to
take
a
vote.
Nope,
let's
see
and
know.
D
G
N
D
N
H
N
D
Okay,
and
so
you
have
one
vote
in
favor,
but
you
do
not
I'm
afraid
get
the
variance,
even
though
it
would
be
a
lot
easier.
A
lot
less
expensive,
it'll
be
a
nice
neighborhood
to
live
in
when
you've
got
it
done
anyway.
So
if
you'd
like
to
content
it
in
any
way
you
need
to,
when
you
get
your
letter
from
the
code
enforcement
office
stuff,
you
need
to
do
it
within
30
days.
D
Yep
the
next
one
would
be
3/5
case
number
o
6
to
7
V
for
20
grand
drive.
Ron
is
requesting
a
variance
to
perfect
construction
of
a
fence
which
would
have
a
zero
setback
on
one
side
and
four
feet.
Setback
from
another
where
12
and
a
half
and
25
feet
are
the
permitted
minimums
and
sleep
data.
Tell
us
the
specifics
of
this
reducer
20.
E
The
house
is
elevated,
essentially
especially
from
Jacobs
slopes.
The
land
slopes
up
to
the
house,
I
added
sections
in
the
packet
I
gave
you
I
believe
about
the
setback
requirements.
This
is
similar
to
the
case
that
was
just
heard
meeting
or
two
ago
corner
of
Morris
and
Campbell,
where,
when
you
have
a
corner,
lot,
have
two
setbacks.
That
subdivision
was
plaited
before
1960
before
the
original
zoning
code,
so
on
the
off
street
or
on
the
non
front
side
that
be
jacobs.
That's
the
side
of
the
house.
E
E
When
we're
looking
at
places
on
a
corner,
they
are
somewhat
limited
in
the
area
they're
allowed
to
fence
in
or
develop
because
they
have
two
fronts
where
other
properties
only
have
one
front,
so
they
lose
quite
a
bit
of
their
property
to
the
setback
requirements
being
on
a
corner
included
in
the
packet
is
a
drawing
that
that
I
came
up
with
based
on
a
drawing
that
mr.
Moulton
had
given
me,
and
then
we
talked
about
where
he
wanted
to
locate
the
fence
and
that's
how
that
that
drawing
came
up.
E
So
the
part
of
the
fence
that
you
see
along
Jacob
sits
right
on
the
property
line.
The
request
isn't
put
on
two
sides
fence
right
on
the
property
line.
Also,
that
is
permitted
long
fences
you're
over
60
tonight
and
I
believe
this
is
a
request
for
a
fence
all
the
way
around
six
feet,
tall
on
the
front
side
or
on
the
ground
side.
E
There's
a
four
foot
setback
request,
rather
than
being
right
on
the
property
line
or
right
on
the
right
away
line
back
four
feet:
there
is
from
the
back
side
of
the
sidewalk
toward
the
property,
there's
six
feet
of
grass
area,
that's
actually
in
the
street
right
away.
Grandmas
has
a
40-foot
wide
right
away
and
the
pavement
as
I
recall
not
exactly
what
it
was.
E
It
was
around
22
feet,
I
believe
what
I
did
was
measured,
measured
the
width
of
the
pavement
of
the
street
deducted
that
from
the
40
foot
right
away,
then
divided
by
two
making.
The
assumption
of
the
street
was
centered
in
the
right
away.
If
that
be
the
case
from
the
back
side
of
the
sidewalk
toward
the
property
or
toward
the
front
of
the
house,
there's
six
feet
of
right
away.
The
request
is
four
feet
back
from
that,
so
ten
feet
back
from
the
edge
of
the
sidewalk.
E
The
one
thing
that
I
noticed
in
particular
there's
a
large
mm-hmm
looks
like
probably
it's
a
conifer
tech
tree
is
probably
a
norway,
spruce
or
something
like
that.
It's
on
the
uphill
or
the
north
side
of
the
lot
facing
the
RAM.
The
fence
will
essentially
be
right
at
where
that
tree
stops
branching
out
that's
ten
feet,
er
back,
so
the
fence
will
be
right.
That
tree
will
be
included
inside
the
fenced
area
rather
than
outside
the
fenced
area.
E
It's
kind
of
an
unusual
property,
it's
three
different
parcels
and
it
looks
like
it
probably
was
not
part
of
either
one
of
the
subdivisions
in
that
area
with
some
kind
of
a
residual
parcel.
It
looks
like
and
that's
why
it's
a
little
more
oddly
shaped
than
the
rest
of
the
properties
in
that
neighborhood.
It's
essentially
very
wide,
but.
E
C
E
D
E
Cause
any
detriment
to
adjacent
properties
pulling
out
of
the
driveway
say
the
next
property
north,
where
there's
a
driveway
there
right
now
is
you'd
back
out
of
that
driveway
you're.
Looking
at
that
tree
as
you're
backing
out-
and
there
was
a
clump
of
pampas
grass
or
something
else
growing
there
even
closer
to
the
street,
so
I
don't
know,
trees
are
permitted
out
in
the
right
away.
Fences
are
just
an
observation
about
line
of
sight
for
backing
out
of
adjacent
property.
E
D
H
E
D
Q
H
C
K
B
C
A
A
A
We
cannot
meet
the
setback
requirements
of
the
city
code,
the
six-foot
safety
/
privacy
fence
would
be
built
four
feet
from
the
curb
on
Graham
Drive
and
on
the
right-of-way
line
on
Jacob
Street,
which
is
approximately
love
and
a
half
feet
from
the
edge
of
the
road
extending
from
the
southeast
corner
of
the
house.
Do
the
where
the
house
is
situated
on
the
lot
to
help
the
side
yard
is
larger
than
the
back
yard.
The
portion,
the
backyard,
will
soon
be
occupied
by
a
much-needed
addition
to
the
home.
A
The
bulk
of
useable
yard
space
for
our
children
and
dogs
to
safely
play
is,
and
will
continue
to
be
located
directly
north
of
the
house
along
Graham
drive
a
large
plank
tree,
which
is
a
Colorado
blue,
spruce
I,
believe
is
located
near
the
northeast
corner
of
the
property,
and
the
variance
would
enable
the
safe
inclusion
of
it
with
the
rest
of
the
yard,
while
leaving
four
feet
of
green
space
between
the
fence
and
the
curve
along
Jacobs
Street.
There
is
a
row
of
evergreen
trees
on
our
property
that
we
wish
to
keep
within
the
yard.
A
This
would
leave
approximately
eleven
and
half
feet
of
green
space.
Defense
will
not
impair
the
supply
of
light
or
air
to
the
adjacent
properties
or
adversely
affect
them
in
any
way,
since
the
variance
requested
is
for
the
portion
of
the
fence
or
during
Graham
and
Jacobson,
the
variance
will
not
be
injurious
to
the
area
or
detrimental
to
public
welfare,
but
will
serve
to
contain
and
protect
our
young
children
visiting
children
in
any
pets
that
inhabit
the
property.
A
This
includes
a
mentally
and
physically
just
a
handicapped
child
who,
in
the
absence
of
a
substantially
large
area
in
which
to
safely
flake
wanders
into
the
street,
keeping
our
children
and
pets
on
our
property.
So
they
are
not
a
nuisance
to
neighbors
or
a
hazard
in
the
roadways
will
ultimately
be
a
benefit
to
the
neighborhood.
Finally,
there
are
two
other
corner:
Lots
other
corner
lot
properties
in
the
immediate
vicinity,
corner
of
South
Warren
Jacobs.
They
clearly
do
not
meet
the
setback
requirements
for
their
fences.
A
A
So
anyone
looking
at
the
map
and
not
knowing
if
all
these
all
the
grammars
while
drawing
the
map
I,
should
have
put.
If
you
look
at
the
line
that
represents
the
right-of-way
on
Graham
Drive,
as
well
as
the
right
away
on
Jacobs
Drive
Jacobs
driving,
while
looking
at
the
line,
that
line
represents
the
right-of-way,
which
is
40
feet
wide
or
20
feet
from
the
center
of
the
of
the
road
it
does
not
represent.
Where
currently
the
edge
of
the
curve
is.
A
So
one
may
look
at
this
and
feel
there's
going
to
be
a
fence
right
on
the
property
right
on
the
pavement.
That's
not
the
case
at
all.
As
Steve
person
has
pointed
out,
this
line
represents
and
what
I
should
have
done
well.
Creating
this
map
or
this
plan
of
the
property
I,
should
have
also
included
a
line
down
here
somewhere,
which
would
have
been
11
and
a
half
feet.
A
I
believe
or
excuse
me,
13
believe
it's
13
and
a
half
feet
from
the
middle
of
the
road
to
the
edge
of
the
pavement
13
and
a
half
feet
so
that
the
right-of-way
starts
approximately
7
feet
back
from
the
edge
of
the
pavement.
So
we're
looking
for
the
fence
to
be
back
beyond
that
property.
So
there's
a
much
more
green
space
there
than
probably
is
shown
by
the
by
the
property.
A
A
F
A
D
I
would
like
to
be
able
to
put
them
forward
athlete
of
the
house,
but
the,
but
the
code
states
fairly
clearly
that
they
not
be
and
I
recognize
that
you're
telling
us
the
reasons
why
you
think
you
should
have
a
variance
from
the
code.
That's
what
you're
here
for,
but
one
of
the
things
we
have
to
find
is
for
whether
it's
the
minimal
amount
required
for
reasonable
use
of
the
property.
And
then
again
you
know
I
understand
using
as
much
of
your
property
as
possible.
D
To
me
is
reasonable
and
I
am
in
favor
of
fences
and
I
would
want
to
do
the
same
thing
you're
doing
here.
But
what
I'm
going
to
have
problem
with
later
on
is
finding
it
minimal.
When
you
could
line
up
your
fence
with
the
with
the
garage
and
still
be
enclosing
a
very
large
area
anyway,
you'd
be
just
leaving
that
you
just
be
having
it
straight
across
the
front.
The
way
you
know
the
code
is
guts
set
up
and.
G
D
A
A
A
D
A
The
house
I
don't
know
if
this
is
relevant
and
remain
at
all
to
this
discussion,
but
I'll
just
comment
on
this:
I
spent
we
spent
about
a
year
and
a
half
looking
for
a
home
actively
looking
for
different
houses.
I
feel
like
have
a
very
good
feel
for
the
property
values
in
the
Athens
area
in
particularly
what's
referred
to
as
the
Near
East
Side
in
this
neighborhood,
where
the
two
neighborhoods
we
were
most
interested
in.
A
In
my
opinion,
the
house
was
overpriced
dramatically
based
on
the
home
and
the
property,
unless
you
include
the
fact
that
it
has
this
big
yard.
So,
essentially,
what
we
bought
was
what
would
be
equivalent
of
three
Lots.
We
did
in
fact
buy
three
Lots
and
the
reason
we
paid
what
would
be
potentially
a
premium
price
or
Nick
and
that's
a
matter
of
opinion,
but
what
might
be
considered
a
premium
price?
The
reason
we
paid
that
was
in
order
to
have
a
large
yard
for
our
four
children
to
play
in
now.
A
If
I
may
address
quickly
the
the
four
children
we
do
have
four
kids
ages,
nine
and
a
half,
seven
three
and
a
half
and
one
who's,
just
starting
to
walk
and
toddle
and
has
managed
to
toddle
into
the
street,
but
most
specifically
I
like
to
dress
our
oldest
child
yeah,
because
she's,
nine
and
a
half
years
old,
she's
a
special-needs
child,
both
mentally
physically
handicapped.
She
has
lots
of
needs,
lots
of
developmental
needs
and
one
of
the
things
that's
very
therapeutic
and
beneficial
to
her
is
to
be
able
to
be
outside
in
to
play.
A
She
she
tends
to
wander,
and
if
we
don't
keep
an
eye
on
her
at
all
times,
she
will
wander
a
long
ways
away.
So
having
a
yard,
a
large
yard
in
which
to
play
is
one
of
the
reasons
we
moved
to
that
that
particular
home
in
that
neighborhood.
We
love
the
neighborhood.
We
think
it's
a
great
neighborhood
in
so
many
different
ways:
great
location,
great
neighbors,
so
we're
real
excited
to
be
in
that
neighborhood.
We
just
would
like
to
have
a
larger
yard
before
our
childhood
playing.
A
C
K
A
question
sorry,
the
third
paragraph
in
the
letter,
the
choose
write
scripts,
because
this
is
a
corner
lot.
We
cannot
meet
setback
requirements,
I,
don't
understand.
A
K
C
R
A
R
K
R
The
the
trees,
an
inclusion,
safe
inclusion
of
the
trees
in
the
property
is
also
he
also
I
believe
to
the
property's
value.
What
we're
doing
to
the
house
with
the
addition?
It
does
raise
the
value
of
the
properties
in
the
neighborhood,
and
so
because
of
that,
then
we
are
now
meeting
more
of
our
side
yard
space,
and
so
therefore,
that's
why
we're
requesting
this
variance,
which,
like
we
stated
there,
is
a
precedence
of
for
this
type
of
fence
in
the.
K
D
A
We
would've
lied
if
it
was
a
nice
place,
but
it
was
a
fairly
plain,
simple
house,
simple
architecture
and
fairly
plain
landscape,
also
just
essentially
just
grass
and
what
we
our
intention
is
to
build
a
nice
addition
that
will
absolutely
increase
the
value
of
the
home
are
also
intention.
Is
we
have
lots
of
plants
luxe
plans
for
landscaping
and
to
make
the
property
nice?
So
one
of
what
I
look
at
defense
and
the
overall
property
value?
I.
F
A
B
A
In
the
neighborhood
is
by
so
doing
we're
keeping
that
big
tree
outside
the
fence,
creating
a
segmented,
smaller
backyard.
I
know
when
they
need
at
some
point,
we'll
probably
resell
and
people
will
go,
look
at
the
property
and
go
boys
too
bad,
there's,
not
a
big
yard.
Why
did
they
build
a
fence?
There
it'd
be
nice
to
have
that
big
nice
as.
D
R
M
E
A
Is
a
cruiser
I
believe
the
reason
I
brought
that
up?
Why
I
believe
it
to
be
your
mr.
guzik,
correct,
yes,
I
believe
I
believe
the
reason
I
brought
that
the
reason
I
brought
that
up
is
because
I
believe
looking
at
the
map,
people
may
be
concerned
that
the
fence
is
going
to
be
right
on
this
street
right
on
the
road
and
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
that
it's
really
not
on
the
road.
It's
set
back
quite
a
ways
from
from
what
would
be
considered
the
pavement
or
the
road.
D
P
To
Lancaster
Street
and
the
thing
that
struck
me
about
this
was
the
fact
that,
as
you
look
at
the
existing
house,
the
front
of
it
was
that
big
chunk
of
the
fence.
That
is
like
20
feet
by
let's
see
if
one
squares,
5
feet:
1
2,
3,
4,
5,
6,
7,
8,
9,
10,
11,
13,
that's
65,
feet,
I!
Think,
isn't
that
right
did
I
measure
right.
Yes,.
H
P
You
still
couldn't
put
a
fence
in
those
areas
that
I'm
talking
about
right
and
I.
Think
the
board
has
to
seriously
consider
granted
the
assumption
that
the
addition
that
improves
and
all
that
and
I
see
no
problem
on
Jacob
Street,
because
that
Jacob
drivers
had
nothing
there
retreats
there
are
no
sidewalks
there
are
there.
C
P
That
side,
no,
there
are
sidewalks.
No,
the
point
is
I
would
urge
the
board
to
consider
why
you
have
to
have
that
much
offense
they're
made
very
good,
be
very
good
reasons
which
the
board
can
find
out
by
questioning
the
applicants
that
I
would.
That
would
seem
to
me
and
we
beat
too
far
out
of
line
I
know
you
try
to
maximize
the
yard
when
you've
got
it
and
it
is
a
hangover
from
three
Lots.
Maybe
mr.
Pearson
can
speak
about
that.
P
That's
the
only
concern
I
have
plus
the
fact
that
you
have
a
six-foot
fence
all
around
the
property.
Apparently
in
that
part
of
town.
That
would
not
be
a
problem,
but
I,
don't
know
very
many
six-foot
fences
out
there
I
know
you
they're
open
they're,
like
wire
fences
that
you
can
see
through
some
people,
don't
like
so
I.
Just
would
urge
the
board
to
give
careful
consideration
if
you
grant
that
and
I
also
want
to
say
something
else.
D
P
D
L
Q
L
L
L
In
the
back
of
my
property,
continuing
my
neighbor's
chances
to
keep
my
dog,
but
of
course
there
is
the
the
whole
question
here
of
you
know
this
addition
that's
being
put
on
I,
don't
know,
I
mean
I,
you
know,
I
am
we've
not
seen
anybody
breaking
ground
here,
so
I
I
presume
it
will
affect
our
property
values,
and
you
know
perhaps
the
addition
could
have
been
put
to
the
to
the
north.
Even
back.
L
You
know
to
the
to
the
west
of
the
garage
into
the
north
and
using
up
some
of
that
land
as
opposed
to
leading
some
of
them,
but
it
wasn't,
and
so
it's
going
back.
I
was
very
confused.
Steve
about
your
presentation
about
this,
this
property
line
and
the
four
feet
and
it's
still
a
little
confused
about
it.
So
what
you're
saying
is
actually,
first
of
all
your
comments
about
the
slope.
L
If
you'll
excuse
me,
I
just
wanted
to
correct
you
a
little
bit
because
they
think
the
slope
the
way
I
look
at
it
when
I
walk.
My
dog
on
Graham
is
a
much
steeper
slope
than
from
Jacob
Jacob's.
If
it
seems
much
steeper
so
I'm
a
little
wondering
what
that
fence
is
going
to
look
like,
because
it
is
a
steep
slope
coming
up
from
Graham
and
in
that
elevation
of
that
house,
so
I'm
a
little
confused
about
how
much
of
a
setback.
L
P
L
K
L
So
so
that's
what
it's
still
a
little
confusing
to
me.
I
I,
understand
the
need
for
fencing
with
children
and
dogs,
and
so
I
do
understand
that
6
feet
just
seems
awfully
high
I
guess
my
my
question
is
you
know
it's
really
I
think
to
say:
there's
no
adverse
effect
on
the
properties
I
would
really
have
I'd
have
to
I'd
have
to
deny
that.
L
Maybe
because
I
don't
know
that
there's
an
adverse
effect
I
bought
my
house
in
hopes
that
maybe
it
would
be
a
good
investment
for
me
and
and
I
don't
see
any
other
fences
upland
diagrams
right
now.
That
doesn't
mean
that
I
wouldn't
agree
to
it.
Fans
here
around
this
property,
but
I
think
that
the
fence
definitely
could
affect
my
property
value.
Let's
be
very
clear
about
that.
Particularly
a
six-foot
fence
depends
on
what
materials
were
talking
about,
we're
talking
about
a
fence
that
we
can
see
through
we're
talking
about
chain
lengths.
L
D
If
they're
asking
for
any
kind
of
variance
for
the
height
I,
think
the
height
is
not
anything.
That
is
an
issue
here,
because
6
foot
is
and
accepted
is
it
is
maybe
the
maximum,
but
it
is
the
except
height
of
a
standard
fence.
That's
the
height
that
usually
are
so.
The
height
of
the
fence
is
not
an
issue
here.
It's
the
look
at
the
position,
the
location.
L
D
Know
you're
not
asking
for
that.
I
appreciate
the
fence
is
not
an
issue
and
we
wouldn't
determine
the
height
of
the
fence.
In
any
case,
that's
for
them
to
decide
as
long
as
they
don't
exceed
six
feet.
Caisson
is
but
they're
permitted
by
law,
but
they're
not
permitted
is
to
is
to
build
a
fence
right
beyond
a
certain
setback
area
and
that's
what
they've
come
to
address
right.
D
L
L
L
L
Well,
yes,
I
guess:
I
I
would
I
mean
I
understand,
certainly
their
reasoning
for
putting
it
down
this
close
to
the
street
because
they
want
to
maximize
the
use
of
that
property.
I.
Don't
know
that
the
Pinetree
figures
into
it
it
moves
for
me
at
all
or
for
the
you
know,
future
sale
of
that
property
really,
but
I
think
the
fence
probably
figures
into
it
more
than
them
whether
they
getting
pine
tree
is
included
or
not
to
be
honest
with
you
Mike,
but
anyway,
that's
all
I
have.
D
F
D
K
K
Jacobs
Drive
diagonally
across
this
property
and
I
have
a
couple
of
concerns,
as
she
has
already
mentioned,
the
construction
of
it
is
it
going
to
be
wood,
and
some
of
those
deteriorate
fairly
rapidly
would
be
kept
up
so
forth
and
so
forth,
like
that,
but
I'm,
also,
along
with
what
you
were
asking,
is
why
the
need
of
the
extra
space
down
there
I
did
some
figuring
and
it's
based
on
this
and
the
human
extrapolations
and
so
forth.
But
I
have
square
footage
with
no
variance
and
the
proposed
additions
are
left
out
of
this
too.
K
The
square
feet
with
the
added
addition
with
the
variance
would
be
another
20
237
feet
for
a
total
of
about
10,000
561
and
I
figured
out
that
2200.
The
extra,
in
other
words
just
back
here
on
that
part
and
the
front,
would
be
about
22%
and
I'm
with
you
I.
Don't
really
see
that
it's
going
to
make
that
much
difference
and
I'm
with
milena
on
this
one
that
steep
goes
up
there.
K
D
H
E
E
Properties
that
I
have
pictures
of
in
my
mind,
sidewalk,
is
quite
a
bit
of
detail,
but
the
actual
measurement
I
went
out
there
and
did
it.
This
evening,
I
took
as
I
explained.
I
took
the
street,
assuming
it
was
centered
in
a
40-foot
right
away.
Measured
the
pavement
curb
the
curve
deducted
that
pavement
measurement
from
40
feet,
assuming
the
street
centered
in
the
right
away,
divided
that
by
2
and
then
busted
out
each
way
so.
E
E
The
fence
is
proposed
to
be
an
additional
four
feet
back,
so
that
be
at
least
10
feet
through
his
life,
and
it
essentially
lines
up
with
the
front
of
that
spruce
tree
in
that
neighborhood
to
just
have
a
picture
in
my
mind,
because
Jacobs
is
basically
running
along
the
toe
of
the
slope
and
all
the
streets
then
take
take
off
pick
up
from
there.
So
I
do
remember.
As
I
went
up
grande,
it
was
going
up
that
may
have
been
a
bad
assumption
at
the
house.
C
C
E
It
wouldn't
matter
if
the
fence
were
four
feet
high
if
it
was
solid
wood,
if
it
was
vinyl,
if
it
was
picked
it
if
it
was
chain-link,
no
fence
of
any
height
of
any
type
material
was
permitted
in
the
front
yards.
Addition
I
probably
want
my
one
of
my
make
a
clarification
too.
There
is
known
in
Athens.
There
are
no
restrictions
about
what
fences
can
be
constructed
of,
they
can
be
constructed
of
wood
used,
pallets,
expensive,
vinyl,
chain-link
woven
chain-link.
E
H
E
Are
some
subdivisions
that
have
restrictions
on
chain-link
fence
they're
not
permitted?
There
are
some
jurisdictions,
municipalities
and
other
political
subdivisions
that
prohibit
such
things
as
chain
later,
but
in
Athens
there
are
no
regulations.
You
can
build
your
fence.
Out
of
anything,
you
want
together.
Thank.
H
C
S
Name's
Robert
Hanley
I
live
at
73
all
wood
place,
but
I
own
in
the
property
at
the
24
grand
which
is
Right
adjacent
to
this
property
and
I
would
like
to
speak
on
behalf
of
not
accepting
this
variance,
the
main
reason
being
and
I'm
still
confused
with
Steve
and
his
dimensions
about
that
tree.
The
tree
tis
in
or
out
of
the
fence.
I
I
E
S
I
S
Against
it,
just
because
of
a
safety
issue
with
the
driveway,
our
house
sets
above
his
house
and
the
driveway
coming
down
the
driveway,
though
I'm
concerned
about
the
fence
impacting
vision
on
the
street
for
one
number,
two
I
I
find
it
interesting
that
the
purchase
price
on
that
property
included
the
house
and
two
lots
and
there's
plenty
of
property
already
there
to
be
fenced
in
without
asking
for
a
variance
with
the
children.
That's
my
thoughts
and
he's
so
concerned
about
increasing
the
values
of
the
properties
with
this
fence.
I
did
I.
S
My
personal
opinion
is
that
he
would
impact
the
values
of
the
properties
negatively,
but
maybe
increasing
the
value
of
his
property,
so
I'm
looking
out
and
I
think
it'd
be
interesting
for
Steve
Orsini
for
Mike
and
his
wife
to
know
some
of
his
neighbor's.
He
spoke
that
he's
had
a
lot
of
neighbors
speak
highly
of
all
this
going
on
and
all
this,
but
I
think
he
needs
to
to
meet
some
of
the
people
that
are
concerned
about
the
property
values
being
impacted
negatively
who
live
real
close
to
you
could.
D
B
B
I'm
Finn
Sexton
I
live
at
17
gram
drive
last
20
years.
I've
always
enjoyed
the
view
going
when
I
come
home
from
work.
Looking
up,
East
epigram,
it's
green
lots
of
trees
and
I
think
the
proposed
offense
would
dominate
this
view.
It
would
stick
out
like
a
sore
thumb,
I'm,
not
sure
if
that's
wood,
it
will
deteriorate
and
look
worse
over
the
years.
B
T
Good
evening
my
name
is
David
fry
I
Crowley
reside
at
20
Euclid
place
which
sits
on
the
corner
of
Euclid
and
Jacobs
Jacob.
My
guess
is:
I
wasn't
close
enough
to
get
a
letter,
but
I
found
about
this
through
some
of
the
other
neighbors
I
have
appeared
before
the
board
before
and
professional
capacity
I'm.
T
Here,
simply
as
a
interested
citizen
this
evening,
when
I
come
to
these
meetings,
though
I'm
always
amazed
at
how
much
irrelevant
chitchat
there
is
and
how
much
value
judgment
is
discussed
and
whether
you
like
fences
or
you,
don't
like
fences
but
to
cut
to
the
chase
here,
and
let
me
say
that
I
have
lived
in
that
neighborhood
or
and/or
owned
property.
For
32
years
we
raised
three
children
and
had
dogs
didn't
have
a
fence
I.
T
Remember
when
that
was
still
a
vacant
lot,
when
the
property
was
on
the
on
the
market
this
summer,
someone
suggested
that
I
ought
to
look
at
it
myself
because
they
thought
it
was
a
real
good
value.
The
price
was
a
design
for
a
quick
sale,
I'm
told
and
based
upon
what
I
know
of
these
price,
the
asking
price
and
the
values
of
the
properties
in
that
area.
It
was
a
very
good
price.
I
would
simply
wasn't
interested
in
a
house,
another
house,
but
to
cut
to
the
chase
here.
T
T
The
fact
that
they
have
what
they
consider
to
be
exceptional
means
doesn't
mean
anything
they
bought
the
property,
knowing
what
the
property
was
knowing
what
their
needs
were
going
to
be
and
the
fact
that
the
property
doesn't
fit
their
needs
is
totally
irrelevant
and
so
just
to
cut
to
the
chase
here
and
try
to
direct
board
to
what
it
has
to
do
and
what
it
always
does.
In
all
these
cases,
you
consider
the
six
criteria
and
you
look
at
the
six
criteria
objectively,
without
bias,
they
don't
come
close
to
meeting
any
of
the
first
four.
D
T
Discussion
practically
no
discussion
about
the
specifics
of
the
criteria.
I
think
Roger
has
asked
a
question
or
two
about
the
specifics,
but
that's
what
it
really
boils
down
to
and
I
think
if
you
want
to
look
at
it
objectively
and
if
you
want
to
look
at
it
from
a
standpoint
of
what
your
responsibilities
and
duty
as
a
board
don't
come
close
to
any
of
the
four
first
four
criteria.
T
A
D
C
F
Q
Am
Jackie
and
I
am
hoping
to
live
in
the
home
and
that
mist
belongs
to
mr.
Hanlon.
My
father
is
planning
to
purchase
the
home
for
me,
and
so
I
will
be
the
one
living
right
next
door
to
the
fence.
Okay,
so
I
have
a
tiny
little
drip.
Diagram
I
was
like
it's
not
accurate,
but
it's
it's
general
and
I
was
wondering
if
you
would
be
able
to
look
at
it.
We.
Q
C
L
Q
The
driveway
would
be
a
matter
of
I,
don't
know
very
few
feet:
I'm
thinking,
six
feet
from
the
fence
or
less
or
something
I'm,
not
sure,
maybe
less
than
four
to
six
feet
when
I'm
pulling
out
the
neighborhood,
as
you
know,
is
inundated
with
children,
biking
and
I'm
concerned.
That
only
often
is
he
be
able
to
see
children
lighting,
their
bikes
or
families.
It's
very
popular
for
people
to
walk
up
and
down
the
street
and
I'm
very
worried
about
having
City.
If.
D
I
C
Q
C
N
D
N
C
N
N
Now
I
know
with
yours
won't
come
clear
out
on
Jacobs,
but
those
two
fences
I
mean
I've,
seen
kids
hit
by
bicycles
because
they
don't
stop
and
the
cars
are
coming
because
the
kids
can't
see
the
because
of
this
don't
fence.
So
that
worries
me
a
lot
that
way
of
the
tall
fences
and
we
have
a
tall
fence,
but
we
we
got,
we
didn't
get
a
variance
or
anything,
but
we
went
in
25
feet
on
our
side
right.
So
you.
N
N
A
In
fact,
that's
every
bit
of
our
intention
in
moving
this
neighborhood
and
the
bands
we
have
for
building,
in
addition,
is
to
increase
the
value
of
of
our
property
and
in
the
entire
neighborhood
I've
also
been
the
business
world
long
enough
to
know
that
by
increasing
the
value
of
my
property
does,
in
fact,
increase
in
fact
increase
the
property
of
the
value
of
the
adjacent
properties,
so
that
is
as
a
business
person.
That's
that's.
My
intention
is
to
bring
the
values
up
of
the
neighborhood.
How.
A
A
A
And
I'll
address
your
question
along
equipment.
She
just
said
when
people
go
to
look
at
homes,
they
look
for
different
things.
Some
people
like
this
type
of
home
that
type
of
home,
but
we
were
going
to
look
at
homes.
The
value
of
a
property
is
increased
if
we
see
a
large
yard
we're
not
unique
in
that
situation.
A
C
A
I
was
just
gonna
tell
Joyce
I.
Thank
you,
because
I
do
believe.
There
is
some
concern
about
the
type
of
the
fence,
our
intention.
In
fact,
we
went
out
today
and
purchase
building
materials,
although
we
didn't
purchase
enough
at
the
variants
purchase
stuff
for
the
the
backyard
besides
art,
but
defense
were
painted,
but
put
in
is
a
six-foot
wooden
fence
like
nice
wooden
fence,
you
can't
see
to
it
not
Cassie,
for
it.
That's
right.
R
R
A
R
A
G
G
A
H
G
C
H
A
M
A
A
A
D
I
A
C
A
Can
back
down
that
driveway
and
get
beyond
the
grass,
which
would
be
in
fact
well
beyond
the
defense?
You
come
back
down
that
driveway
stop
in
your
car
that
the
Kirkland
I
go
into
the
road
and
easily
see
up
and
down
the
street,
both
directions.
So
this
is
more
of
the
city.
It
is
that
respect
some
of
their
element.
You
can
see
the
road
completely
blowing
down
the
intersection.
I
D
R
We
didn't
know
we
could
get
these
rally
the
troops
in
support
of
this,
and
we
didn't
know
that
was
an
option
and
we
we
just
moved
to
the
neighborhood,
and
so
that
being
said,
you
know
I
feel
like
there
are
quite
a
few
more
people
that
are
saying
that
they
don't
want
this.
Then
then,
those
of
us
that
are
here
saying
we
want.
A
R
R
C
A
Want
to
make
sure
that
our
neighbors
and
I
guess,
what's
back
in
the
hands
of
the
board
now
but
I
wanna
make
sure
that
our
neighbors
to
know
that
our
fence
were
intending
and
hoping
to
build,
whether
it's
on
a
setback
or
not.
It's
going
to
be
a
nice
fence.
It's
gonna,
be
a
wooden
fence.
It'll
be
maintained,
just
as
the
rest
of
the
house
will
be
maintained.
A
Comments
on
the
architecture
of
question
was:
could
we
have
built
their
fence
the
house
on
that
side,
the
property
and
maintain
the
backyard?
We
looked
at
over
40
different
architectural
options?
It's
the
best
thing
for
maintaining
the
property
and
having
a
nice
yard.
Boys
hanging
put
the
house
and
back
yard
in
one
point
of
clarification,
to
make
sure
because
I
even
have
to
Steve
clarified,
there's
still
some
confusion.
That
fence
is
gonna,
be
set
well
back
from
the
street,
not
right
on
the
pavement.
D
D
Is
you
just
a
sec
sure,
one
of
the
things
that
we
had
he
and
I
anyway,
he
discussed
earlier
or.
G
D
Just
briefly
just
across
to
was
he
possibility
of
dividing
doing
two
separate
variances
one
for
the
side
yard
and
one
for
the
front
yard.