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A
All
right,
this
is
a
meeting
of
the
Athens
Board
of
Zoning
Appeals.
The
meeting
is
now
called
to
order.
The
time
is
721
p.m.
on
August
8
2006.
The
board
consists
of
five
members
in
one
alternate.
The
alternate
takes
full
part
and
discussions
of
the
board
and
becomes
a
voting
member
in
the
absence
or
conflict
of
interest
of
a
regular
member
present.
This
evening,
our
members
John
Gould
Z
Greg
Lebel,
David
Shafi
and
I
kneel
Frederick,
the
chair,
vetti,
Hollow
and
and
Roger
gryzor
Betty
Hollow
is
absent.
B
A
C
A
The
board
operates
according
to
the
following
procedures:
the
chair,
names
and
states
that
describes
the
case.
The
zoning
and
minute
administrator
will
cite
the
specifics
of
the
refusal.
The
appellant
or
a
representative,
then
will
stake
the
case
for
granting
the
appeal
testimony
next
will
be
taken
from
those
who
support
granting
the
appeal,
then
those
who
want
to
speak
in
general
comment
and
those
who
support
the
denial
of
the
appeal.
Following
all
testimonies,
the
board
will
receive
concluding
remarks
from
the
appellant
and
discussion
from
the
floor.
Then
we'll
be
closed.
A
The
board
will
deliberate
and
render
a
decision
under
athens
city
code,
section
20305
and
a
3b.
The
board
has
the
power
to
grant
such
variances
from
the
code,
as
will
not
be
contrary
to
the
public
interest,
so
that
the
spirit
of
the
code
shall
be
observed.
Public
safety
and
welfare
secured
and
substantial
justice
done.
A
Pappin
city
code,
23,
section
2309,
1
0
C-
requires
that
variances
from
the
code
shall
not
be
granted
unless
the
Board
makes
specific
findings
effect
based
directly
on
the
evidence
provided
to
it
that
each
and
every
one
of
the
following
six
criteria
are
met,
number
one
practical
difficulty
or
undue
hardship.
There
must
exist
a
practical
difficulty
or
an
undue
hardship
caused
by
exceptional
circumstances
pertaining
to
the
specific
piece
of
property
number
two
exceptional
circumstances.
A
There
must
exist,
exceptional
circumstances
or
conditions
applying
to
the
property
for
its
intended
use
that
do
not
in
general,
apply
to
properties.
In
the
same
zoning
district
number
3
reservation
of
equal
property
rights.
It
must
be
determined
that
literal
interpretation
of
the
code
would
deprive
the
appellant
of
rights
commonly
enjoyed
by
others
in
the
same
vicinity.
While
granting
the
variance
would
not
convey
a
special
privilege,
number
4
minimum
variance.
It
must
be
determined
that
the
variance
is
the
minimum
required
to
make
reasonable
use
of
the
property
number
5
absence
of
detriment.
A
It
must
be
determined
that
the
granting
of
the
variance
will
not
be
up
still
substantial
detriment
to
adjacent
properties,
Norma
T,
really
impaired
purposes
of
the
code
or
the
public
interest
and
last
number
6
not
of
a
general
nature.
The
variant
sought
must
not
be
of
a
general
or
recurring
nature
such
that
the
situation
but
more
reasonably
be
handled
by
changing
the
law.
A
The
board
also
is
empowered
to
hear
and
decide
applications
for
conditional
use
substitutions
in
line
conforming
use,
temporary
uses
and
appeals
where
it's
alleged
by
the
appellant
that
there's
an
error
in
the
decision
made
by
the
zone
administrator
regarding
enforcement
and
interpretation
of
the
code.
Any
person
who
is
aggrieved
by
the
decision
of
the
board
may
file
an
appeal
to
the
Court
of
Common
Pleas.
Such
a
petition
must
be
filed
within
30
days
after
the
mailing
of
the
board's
resolution
to
the
appellant
tonight.
A
There
are
three
cases
on
the
agenda:
number
zero,
six
one,
six
V
for
twelfth
Strathmore
Boulevard,
which
is
zoned
r2
James
karageorge,
is
the
appellant
number
zero.
Six
174
121
Morris
Avenue
zoned
r1
Kimberly
Mathur
is
the
appellant
and
number
zero.
Six
two
zero
V
for
seven
West
Stimson
Avenue,
zoned
r1,
knocking
Valley
Bank
is
the
appellant
on
the
agenda.
A
A
Do
you
swear
the
testimony?
You
will
give
to
be
the
truth,
the
whole
truth
and
nothing
but
the
truth.
Thank
you.
The
first
case
on
the
agenda
this
evening.
His
number
zero
six
one,
six
ve,
four
twelve
Strathmore
Boulevard.
It
actually
was
continued
from
last
month
for
some
additional
information
and
but
last
month,
Betty
hala
was
here
and
is
not
here
tonight
and
we
had
one
member
who
was
not
present
last
month.
So
even
though
Steve
you
did
present
the
specifics
of
the
refusal,
would
you
please
do
it
again
for
us.
E
E
What
was
presented
to
you-
and
there
was
some
discussion
about
the
layout
of
the
proposed
building
and
the
lot
size.
The
file
indicates
dimensions
of
the
lot.
Excuse
me,
the
location
of
existing
structures
that
have
hash
marks
in
one
direction,
an
indication
of
existing
structure
to
be
demolished.
That's
hash
mark
in
a
different
direction,
and
then
a
white
or
a
blank
area
indicating
the
additional
footprint
that's
being
requested.
E
The
proposal
required
three
variances,
one
for
a
rear
yard.
Setback
of
just
over
25
feet
or
30
feet
is
permitted
minimum.
So
there's
a
5
foot
variance
needed
for
the
rear
yard,
live
coverage
of
32.4%
where
30
is
the
maximum.
So
that's
a
variance
of
2.4
percent
and
a
website
setback
of
3.9
feet
where
8
feet
is
the
is
the
permitted
minimum.
E
Mr.
Chris
Gehrig
who's
representing
mr.
karageorge,
had
also
provided
a
narrative
statement
addressing
the
points
that
are
required
of
an
appellant.
So
it's
a
written
letter
that
has
to
be
submitted
with
the
appeal
and
included
in
the
file
were
8
letters
of
support
for
mr.
Carey
George.
The
people
in
the
neighborhood
had
asked
that
the
board
favorably
consider
the.
C
E
E
There's
a
21
and
a
half
feet
to
the
property
line
to
the
north,
because
the
additions
going
on
the
opposite
side
of
the
house,
though
you
know
it's
pushing
toward
that
other
southerly
property.
So
there's
no
problem
with
the
combination
yard.
You
have
to
have
at
least
20
feet
in
combination
of
your
two
yards,
so
it's
just
for
one
setback:
variance
on
the
side,
not
a
combination
set
that
hurts
just
because
of
that
large
distance
between
the
existing
home
and
the
home
directly
to
the
north.
E
One
of
the
things
that
the
the
board
I
believe
had
a
question
about
the
last
meeting
was
even
though
the
request
was
for
a
left
side,
step
back
of
3.9
feet.
How
far
was
that
actually
from
structures
on
the
adjacent
line
and
the
additional
information?
The
only
additional
information
that
I
provided
to
you
was
a
drawing
that
I
did.
I
went
out
to
the
site.
Mr.
karageorge
was
gracious
enough
to
show
me
around.
E
Show
me
what
he
wanted
to
do
and
from
that
visit
that
we
had
then
I
generated
that
drawing
I
think
there
was
a
question
at
the
last
meeting
about
how
close
the
garage
was
on
the
adjacent
property.
That
garage
is
basically
right
on
the
property
line.
It's
a
grandfathered,
non-conforming
setback.
It
was
something
that
evidently
was
built
before
the
code,
and
it
illustrates
two
that
assess
restructure
non-living
structure
and
how
close
it
is
to
the
property
line
or
to
the
hand
to
the
addition
proposal.
E
A
E
It's
all
downhill,
so
they're
screaming
all
the
way
out
there
and
their
response
time
is
right.
Around
I
believe
right
around
three
minutes,
I'm
in
case
of
a
fire.
Another
thing
I
wanted
to
point
out
on
the
drawing
the
part
that
mr.
karageorge
wants
to
build
on
the
back.
It's
like
a
covered
patio
and
it's
not
enclosed,
doesn't
have
sides
on
it.
That's
what's
adjacent
to
the
garage,
excepting.
G
E
E
E
The
measurement
requirement
is
not
from
a
structure
on
an
adjacent
lot,
it's
from
a
structure
but
from
the
property
line.
So,
for
example,
you
could
have
two
vacant
lots.
You'd
have
a
property
line
right
down
the
middle
and
people
could
build
on
each
one
of
those
Lots
and
have
their
building
16
feet
apart.
That
would
be
permitted.
E
Also,
if
you
build
a
garage,
it
can
be
like
its
permitted
or
legally
as
close
as
five
feet
to
a
property
line
so
long
as
it's
detached
from
the
from
the
house.
So
you
could
really
get
someone
who
built
if
your
house
was
compliant
at
8.
The
neighbor's
garage
was
compliant
at
5,
like
with
a
blank
slate.
I
could
permit
a
10
13
feet
between
a
detached
garage
and
a
house.
The.
A
A
E
The
area
of
their
driveway,
it
comes
back
to
their
garage
and
the
way
the
code
is
written.
Now,
if
you
change
your
structure,
remodel
it
change
it
in
any
way
you
have
to
meet
or
maintain
the
parking
requirement.
So
if
you
build
an
addition,
there
may
or
may
not
be
compliance
with
parking
regulations.
I
would
say
now.
I'm
thinking
about
the
house
is
35
feet
back.
You
might
get
to
get
two
cars
in
the
driveway,
so
it
could
be
a
loner
occupied
home
or
rental
for
two
people,
not
for
three.
E
E
Assuming
that
the
zoning
code
had
some
kind
of
thought
about
fire
safety,
I
guess
what
I
was
saying
was
it
doesn't
say
that,
but
in
practical
terms,
I
think
there
are
those
kind
of
considerations.
I
think
we're
very
fortunate
that
we
have
a
fire
department
that
does
have
such
a
high
ISO
rating
I
mean
it
helps
everybody's
insurance
that
we
can
respond.
It's
much
different
than
volunteer
fire
departments
that
have
extended
response
times.
So
residents
of
the
city
are
fortunate.
We
have
a
full-time
fire
department
for
that.
E
Another
thing
that
I
noticed
this:
this
is
a
pre-code
construction,
neighborhood,
not
that
that
makes
any
difference
the
houses.
Basically,
even
though
this
is
a
little
different,
but
most
of
them
are
built
right
at
the
25
foot
setback
on
the
front,
but
for
some
reason
they
all
seem
to
be
pushed
way
over
to
the
side,
including
their
accessory
structures.
A
A
E
E
E
Mr.
carriage
or
dispense
it
is
approximately
two
feet
on
his
property.
That's
my
estimation
of
where
it's
at
and
that
way
he
has
the
ability
to
maintain
the
fence.
Without
going
on
to
the
neighboring
property,
you
can
get
on
the
backside
of
it.
Maintain
his
parents
take
care
of
it.
So
that's
not
a
problem.
The
code
allows
the
fence
is
built
right
on
the
property
line,
but
it
gets
a
little
problematic
if
you
have
to
go
next
door
to
do
maintenance
on
the
fence.
A
C
H
President,
before
Frederick
other
members
opportunity
to
appear
tonight,
I'm
Chris
Gary,
serving
as
counsel
for
mr.
Jim
Carrey
George
here
tonight
in
regard
to
his
those
variants,
I
will
not
go
through
the
entire
presentation.
I
gave
last
time
because
most
of
you
have
heard
it,
but
I
would
like
to
take
the
opportunity
to
emphasize
a
few
points
and
add
to
the
materials.
From
the
last
time
we
were
here.
Don
did
all
of
the
board.
Members
have
an
opportunity
to
see
a
copy
of
the
sketch
that
mr.
Pearson.
H
H
C
G
H
C
H
Did
all
the
board
members
then
have
an
opportunity
to
see
the
schematic
that
mr.
Pearson
prepared,
because
I
did
bring
several
copies
with
me
here
tonight
as
well?
I
also
wanted
to
take
the
opportunity
to
present
to
the
board
you've
you've
seen
that
the
project
is
without
opposition
within
the
neighborhood
I
have
five
additional
letters,
people
in
the
neighborhood
that
were
so
interested
in
this
project
that
they've
actually
asked
for
the
opportunity
to
present.
H
Finally,
it's
rare
that
I
appear
before
the
warden.
A
multimedia
presentation
back
on
I
actually
have
several
pictures
that
I
can
brought
with
me
here
tonight,
but
I'd
like
to
introduce
an
evidence.
I
think
this
might
help
illustrate
in
the
event,
you've
not
had
a
chance
to
make
it
out
to
the
site
exactly
what
we're
talking
about
here.
I'll
go
through
the
lump
I
want
and
then
turn
it
over
for
the
board
to
consider
that
the
first
one
is
the
front
that
mr.
Kerry
George's
house
the
structure
itself
right
now.
H
You
can
see
that
it
is
a
brick
structure,
constructed
in
a
pretty
solid
manner
and
and
I
thought
that
might
do
a
good
job
of
showing
you.
The
appearance
and
the
the
tenor
of
this
structure
will
be
maintained
under
the
plan
that
we're
presenting
here
tonight.
The
second
one
actually
demonstrates
for
you
the
adjoining
lot
that
we're
going
to
be
moving
closer
to.
You
can
see
the
adjoining
house
the
separated
structure
of
the
garage,
and
then
you
also
have
a
representation
of
where
mr.
Peres
George's
house
would
be
built
into.
H
As
far
as
that
goes
just
a
point
of
reference
for
the
board,
the
house
that
he's
building
next
to
actually
has
a
very
similar
scenario
to
what
he's
talking
about
here,
which
is
a
building
that
actually
encroaches
within
8
feet.
They
separated
garage
and
then
another
structure,
I'd
like
to
emphasize
once
again
mr.
Cairo
Georgia
structure
Elijah
to
be
further
apart
and
what
the
adjoining
house
is
to
his
on
the
other
side.
H
I
would
also
like
to
point
out
I,
don't
know
why
the
house
was
built
where
it
was
on
these
two
Lots,
but
there's
an
abundance
of
area
on
the
other
side
of
the
house.
You
simply
cannot
redo
the
main
structure
of
the
house,
or
else
we
would
not
be
here
for
the
board
tonight,
but
this
does
I
think
helped
illustrate
how
much
yard
is
on
the
other
side
of
the
house.
H
Finally,
we
have
a
close-up
of
how
close
things
are
on
that
other
structure,
just
just
for
reference
to
the
board.
I
have
on
a
variety
of
other
pictures
that
serve
to
illustrate
some
of
these
points
as
far
as
other
houses
in
the
neighborhood,
but
rather
than
take
up
the
board's
time
going
through
two
by
one
I'll
just
keep
those
in
reserve.
If
there's
any
further
point
of
discussion
would
like
to
have.
H
There
as
well,
finally,
the
last
time
I
appeared
before
the
board.
It
was
the
opinion
of
the
board.
I
think
that
you
wanted
to
be
able
to
speak
to
the
Builder
himself
to
hear
why
the
plan
was
designed.
The
way
it
was
I
won't
presume
to
steal
mr.
Lipson
thunder,
but
after
speaking
to
him,
a
little
more
I
would
like
to
emphasize.
It
is
his
opinion
and
mr.
H
Carter's
opinion
that
the
the
structure
has
already
been
trimmed
to
the
maximum
that,
because,
in
his
opinion,
that
it
can
be
allowed
to
do
that
in
order
to
have
a
two-car
garage
that
would
be
able
to
handle
the
larger
vehicles,
the
SUVs
that
we
have
that
we
commonly
have
today
and
also
the
storage
space.
That
would
be
expected
for
a
garage
of
this
nature,
you're
really
going
to
need
to
have
what's
being
proposed
here
tonight.
H
A
I
Hi
I'm
Scott
Brooks,
with
Brooks
Builders
I,
was
hired
by
mr.
karageorge
several
months
ago
to
design
a
in
addition
to
his
house
with
the
primary
concern
to
obtain
a
decent-sized
garage,
but
both
cars
in
and
to
maintain
some
storage
space.
We
looked
at
the
existing
structure
and
picked
the
logical
point
to
demolish
what
we
could
off
the
existing
house
going
any
further
would
would
not
be
feasible.
I
Then
we
designed
a
structure.
What
I
would
design
by
normal
standards,
which
came
out
larger
than
what
her
final
decision
is.
We've
revised
us
several
times
spent
several
months
working
on
it
and
to
maintain
a
garage
suitable
for
two
cars,
especially
the
SUV's
and
stuff
you
get
today
and
Jim
does
own
one
and
be
able
to
make
it
functional.
I
A
I
Main
garage
area
overall
inside
is
30
feet,
8
inches,
but
part
of
the
laundry
room
and
stuff
what
routes
out
into
it.
So
he's
going
to
be
able
to
maintain
a
minimal
amount
of
storage
for
a
lawnmower
and
stuff
on
the
right
side.
24
feet
is
pretty
much
minimum
to
get
vehicles
in
without
banging
doors
into
the
walls
or
into
each
other.
I
G
I
C
J
A
And
it
shows
this
is
the
current
house:
did
you
get
a
chance
to
go
out
and
see
it
yeah?
This
is
the
garage,
and
this
is
the
little
setback
area
and
the
main
house
and
then
essentially
you're
adding
they're
going
to
demolish
this
and
add
on
an
additional
the
same
size
of
the
house.
It
essentially
doubling
the
footprint
of
the
house
so.
I
C
C
B
A
F
I
I
C
A
A
A
B
A
G
A
A
Well,
let's
see
that
would
conclude
the
presentation
for
is
there
anyone
here
who
wants
to
speak
in
general
comment.
D
I'm
Joseph
Richard,
Sligo
and
I
live
at
102
North
Lancaster
Street
every
once
in
a
while.
Somebody
asked
me:
why
are
you
interested
in
something
is
a
next
door
to
you?
Well,
when
I
served
on
the
board
for
two
years,
I
was
interested
in
the
city
of
Athens
and
I
still
am
and
I
continue
to
now.
If
you'll
recall,
the
continuation
and
the
minutes
make
it
clear,
we
wanted
the
Builder
here
to
explain
why
he
had
to
build
the
way
he
did.
D
D
Sometimes
it's
very
difficult
to
make
decisions,
especially
when
the
neighborhood
is
in
favor
of
it.
However,
I
think
the
board
has
to
remember
its
mission
and
its
duty,
and
all
I
would
do-
is
urged
the
board
to
give
very
careful
consideration
before
votes
to
grant.
The
variance
would
involve
the
footage
that
I
raised
a
question
about
the
last
time.
You
remember
the
3.9
feet
of
river
was
now
the
diagrams
that
I
saw
mr.
Geary.
D
However,
I
saw
enough
of
them
from
the
side
that
I
don't
need
to
ask
the
chair
for
permission
to
look
down
I'm
quite
familiar
with
a
property.
Mr.
Terry
George
will
be
a
very
good
citizen,
I'm
sure.
While
he
lives
there,
and
so
are
the
neighbors.
Now
with
that
may
I
say,
is
that
there
are
two
other
variances
that
were
asked
for
I'm,
not
speaking
about
those
as
far
as
I'm
concerned,
I,
don't
the
major
problem
with
it.
D
Garre
for
the
first
time
that
came
as
a
new
lesson
in
law
to
me
and
I
think
that
if
the
case
would
be
appealed
with
any
reason,
a
judge
would
look
at
that
and
say
well
he's
it
he's
an
attorney
he
ought
to
know
he
was
under
oath,
so
to
speak.
I
made
it
wrong.
Anyhow,
I
urge
the
board
to
give
a
thoughtful
consideration
to
what
the
donor
had
said
and
what
mr.
Garre
said,
and
even
though
mr.
D
their
courage
or
does
not
appear
and
also
I,
did
not
follow
the
question
about
the
footage
on
the
garage
I
did
I
was
changing.
My
hearing,
aid
and
I
did
hear
mr.
cruisers
say
he
didn't
want
to
be
argumentative
and
I'm
sure
he
doesn't.
Thank
you
for
credible
chairman
for
permit
madam
chair
for
permitting
me
to
omit
I
appreciate,
mr.,
whose.
A
H
I
think,
mr.
slight
certain
phrases
good
points.
We
would
like
to
emphasize,
however,
that
the
nature
of
our
variance
in
this
case,
even
included
in
the
write-up,
is
one
of
a
very
select
major
part
of
our
factor
right
up
emphasized.
This
is
an
unusual
circumstance.
It
applies
just
to
the
specific
nature
of
the
variance
requested
here
tonight
we
would
submit
based
on
the
write-up
we
have
submitted
to
tonight,
that
we
are
not
seeking
to
suppress
the
city
of
Athens.
H
A
H
I
felt
compelled
to
at
least
get
that
into
the
record
persons
yeah.
There
had
been
a
general
comment
office,
and
that
thing
would
finally
like
to
note
for
the
board
that
this
is
a
project.
As
far
as
the
neighborhood
is
concerned
that
we
very
much
wanted
to
see,
you
are
hard-pressed
to
find
anyone
to
review
against
and
in
fact
several
people
have
taken
their
time.
B
H
Hardship
in
this
nature
is
you
have
to
long
with
a
structure
that
was
constructed
prior
to
the
code
and
they,
when
they
built
this
structure
back
and
I,
think
I
put
it
into
my
write-up.
It
was
well
before
the
code
was
passed.
No
one
could
have
dreamed
that
if
you
ever
wanted
to
make
an
improvement
to
allow
for
a
larger
size
that
the
fact
that
they
built
a
house
on
two
Lots,
too
close
to
one
side,
would
have
any
kind
of
meaningful
impact.
This
is
a
brick
structure.
H
There's
a
grid
structure
that
is
located
too
far
on
one
side
of
two
lots
to
allow
you
to
do
anything
if
you
do
want
to
change
the
nature
of
the
building,
but
to
ask
the
board
for
a
various
here
tonight.
You
very
clearly
the
main
part
of
the
house
right
now.
The
very
nice
structure,
with
mrs.
Frederic
references
made
out
of
brick,
is
not
going
to
be
movable
and
needs
to
be
preserved.
H
A
Would
like
you
to
address
number
four,
the
minimum
variance
but
I
don't
have
a
problem
myself
with
anything
else.
Accepting
I
don't
see
how
I'm
having
trouble
with
the
minimum
with
it
being
minimal.
It's
you
know
the
determining
that
it's
the
minimum
required
to
make
reasonable
use
of
the
property
I
don't
see.
Could
you
explain
to
me
why,
given.
H
The
dollars
that
are
going
to
be
committed
to
this
project,
given
the
nature
of
the
design
you've
heard
mr.
Biggs's
testimony
tonight
that
it
is
his
professional
opinion.
Then
it
must
be
this
size
in
order
to
accomplish
this
vulnerable,
he
has
already
trimmed
the
size
of
the
project
from
what
he
felt
professionally
would
be
an
acceptable
size.
For
this
juncture,
the
the
what
we
asked
for
in
his
professional
opinion
is
the
minimum
that
could
be
given
if
the
project
was
to
be
done
in
the
manner
that
he
is,
a
professional
fuels
should
be
pursued.
Do.
A
H
H
A
Part,
that's
it
Klein's
me
to
feel
it
seems
like
it
would
look
good
and
it
would
not
be.
It
wouldn't
be
looking
exceptional
in
the
neighborhood.
It
would
look
like
other
houses
in
the
neighborhood,
but
we're
supposed
to
find
that
this
is
the
minimum
to
make
possible
the
reasonable
use
of
the
property
and
that's
if,
if
that's
the.
C
C
H
A
A
A
E
A
B
A
E
A
B
H
A
Thank
you,
okay.
Thank
you.
I.
Don't
think
in
I
believe
that
in
the
past
Steve,
when
we've
had
multiple
we've
treated
them
as
sort
of
multiple
parts
of
a
variance
one,
it's
a
single
Rick,
we're
gonna
we're
gonna
deal
with
the
requests,
but
you
know
we
can.
We
can
craft
it
in
such
a
way
that
it's
all
part
of
the
same
request,
even
though
it's
multiple
variants
is
required
for
them,
for
the
request
for
the
property.
E
C
A
E
A
E
What
I
was
thinking
of
was,
for
example,
if
that
was
the
most
objectionable
and
the
other
two
were
not
the
other
two
were
viewed
favorably
and
the
side
was
not,
then
mr.
character
would
have
a
rear
setback,
variance
and
a
lot
coverage
variance
and
could
possibly
redesign
without
having
to
come
back
to
the
board.
That
was
what
I
think
you
know
that
I
know
that's
a
little.
If.
A
C
E
In
that
direction,
but
if
you
would,
if
you
would
deny
the
entire
thing
as
a
package
and
he
revised
the
garage
on
the
side,
he'd
still
have
to
come
back
for
that
career
variance
and
maybe
not
a
coverage
variance,
but
he
would
at
least
have
to
come
back
to
the
board.
So
that
was
my.
That
was
just
my
thing,
not.
E
A
A
H
E
E
A
Requesting
variances
and
we
have
to
address
his
request
so
he's
requesting
variance
from
2311
table
a
to
commit
a
structure
with
a
left
yard
setback
of
three
point:
nine
two
four
eight
is
committed
there.
That's
part:
a
rear
yard.
Setback
of
twenty
five
point,
zero
ones
see
430
feet
is
limited.
Minimum
and
lot
coverage
is
32.
Okay,.
B
A
C
I
C
K
K
Enjoyed
it,
this
was
supposed
to
be
smarter
house
what
I
bought
it.
My
mother
was
very
close
to
the
neighborhood
mother
was
very
close.
More
eggs,
I'll
head
into
town
I'd
like
to
stay
here,
but
I'm
flying
I'm,
losing
closet
space
and
you've
got
an
outbuilding,
the
tress,
the
lawnmower
in,
and
things
of
that
nature
and
I
feel
like
I've
got
an
SUV
during
the
car
and
the
garage
that's
currently
built.
C
K
Something
together
for
those
but
based
on
the
stories
that
I
have
the
dimensions
of
the
house
I
feel
that
I
need
all
three
to
be
able
to
build
this,
my
professional
builder.
It
believes
the
same
thing
you
know
I
just
can't
say
any
other
way.
If
I
could
grab
the
house
and
move
it
to
the
right
hand
side,
it
would
be
wonderful
but
you're,
looking
at
a
brick
structure
that
was
built
right,
smack
dab
in
the
middle
of
two
blocks
and
the
bedrooms
are
on
the
right-hand
side.
K
So
if
you
were
to
build
on
that
side,
it
would
be
attractive
yeah,
you
could
take
it
higher,
but
it
would
look
terrible
design
aspects
of
saying
you
know
forget
about
the
side:
let's
build
it
up,
to
be
quite
honest:
I've
had
70
operations
and
I'm
looking
handicapped,
toilets
and
things
of
that
nature,
because
I
would
have
to
have
two
knee
replacements
of
my
age.
You
know
I
need
to
make
sure
that
there's
enough
slope
of
the
steps
that
I
can
use
the
structure
of
ten
years
nail
growth,
otherwise
many
think
it's
worth
expensive.
K
A
A
F
Move
that,
in
the
case
of
case
six
16
V
zone,
are
212
Strathmore,
Boulevard,
James,
karageorge
appellant,
that
we
grant
a
variance
or
variances
from
section
23
2011
table
a
schedule
of
hope
controls
to
permit
it.
In
addition
to
an
existing
single
family
structure,
with
a
left
yard
setback
of
3.9
feet
where
8
feet
is
the
required,
the
permitted
minimum,
a
rear
yard
setback
of
twenty
five
point:
zero
one
seven
feet
where
30
feet
is
the
permitted
minimum
again
block
coverage
of
32.4%
where
30
percent
is
the
permitted
maximum.
A
Well,
I
think
we've
discussed
fairly
thoroughly
what
that
would
be
it's
the
fact
of
it.
Who
knows
the
to
Lots
position
of
a
brick
house
just
at
the
position,
so
in
such
a
way
that
it
is
too
close
to
one
side
it
wasn't
put
in
the
center
of
the
two
Lots.
It
was
put
off
to
one
side
and
that's
the
exceptional
condition
and
exceptional
circumstance
also.
A
J
A
A
It
doesn't
seem
unreasonable
what
they're
asking
for
actually,
when
you
look
at
what
they
currently
have
and
what
they're
trying
to
live
with
its
most
people
expect
to
be
able
to
find
a
place
for
their
lawnmower.
Most
people
expect
to
be
able
to
find
a
place
to
put
the
Christmas
tree
ornaments
when
they're
through
using
them
to
have
some
storage
space,
and
this
house
has
no
attic
and
no
cellar.
The
attic
is
sleeping
space
and
what
I
can
gather
and
it's
on
a
slab.
So
SUV.
B
A
I'm
Betty
shared
with
me
her
concern
that
she
wasn't
gonna
be
able
to
be
here
to
say
that
she
didn't
find
that
each
one
individually
was
minimal.
She
found
that
taken
and
the
aggregate
she
wasn't
so
sure
about
that.
G
C
A
Then
detriment
all
of
the
neighbors
who
sent
us
letters
seem
to
find.
There
is
no
document
and
looking
at
the
pictures
and
looking
at
the
property
itself,
I
can't
see
that
it
would
cause
a
detriment.
It's
not
going
to
be
getting
in
the
way
any
more
than
any
of
the
other
houses
are
in
the
way
of
each
other
that
are
even
closer
together.
A
A
A
A
J
A
E
E
But
the
last
minute
I
know
the
board
wondered
why
the
appellant
was
not
present
and
I'd
indicated
and
looking
at
the
file
that
I
had
done
all
the
written
notifications.
What
happened
was
I
received
a
call
the
day
after
the
meeting
and
the
appellant
was
out
of
it
had
been
out
of
town
didn't
realize
not
being
from
the
area.
You
know
they
don't
know
the
second
Tuesday
of
every
month
when
the
Zoning
Board,
because
they
just
knew
they
had
a
hearing
coming
up
Wednesday
after
the
meeting
they
opened
their
mail
that
had
been
accumulating.
E
While
they
were
gone
and
went,
oh,
we
should
have
been
at
the
Zoning
Board
last
night.
So
that's
what
happened.
It
wasn't
neglect
or
they
didn't
just
forget
about
it
or
something
like
that.
It
was
just
an
unfortunate
circumstance.
What
happened
in
that
same
conversation,
though,
was
they
were
also
not
going
to
be
able
to
be
in
town
tonight,
and
it
asked
that
the
case
be
continued
just
until
the
next
meeting
well.
A
E
The
sign
ordinance
was
revised
prior
to
the
revision
of
the
2003
revisions
to
the
zoning
code,
and
those
changes
were
sponsored
by
the
Athens
Area
Chamber
of
Commerce
I'm.
The
original
sign
ordinance
was
was
adopted
or
our
existing
ordinance.
With
that
many
revisions
in
1989
some
jurisdictions
have
certain
signs
that
are
specifically
prohibited
and
there
is
a
list
in
the
Atmos
it
code
pertaining
to
signs
about
certain
signs
that
are
prohibited.
Roof
mounted
sign
is
not
one
that
is
specifically
prohibited.
E
E
When
you
pull
up
to
the
back
porch
before
you
go
in
the
building,
they've
got
like
a
little
awning
or
if
it
comes
out
and
the
building's
very
tall
and
there's
a
sign,
that's
mounted
on
the
roof
of
the
little
porch
before
you
go
in
to
go
into
economy.
The
only
other
sign
that
I
can
think
of.
That's
mounted
on
a
roof
is
right
up
the
street
here
on
Court
Street,
on
top
of
mr.
E
Larousse
building,
halfway
up
the
block
on
the
right-hand
side
or
the
east
side,
that's
a
flat
roof,
and
it
has
a
sign
that
kind
of
projects
up
like
a
little
miniature
billboard.
You
can
call
whatever
you
want
to
call
it,
but
it
sticks
way
up
above
the
structure
much
higher
than
the
roof
structure.
So
those
are
the
only
two
I
can
think
of
that
do
exist
in
town.
The
reason
that
roof
signs
would
be
prohibited
for
some
reason,
I'm,
not
the
only
reason
I
can
think
of
is
possibly
you
know.
E
Most
of
these
would
be
imagined
to
be
well
above
the
roof.
Everything
just
like
the
one
up
here
on
Court
Street
that
may
or
may
not
be
the
case.
That
might
be
why
they're
specifically
they're
prohibited,
saying
all
that
I
I.
Think
if
you
look
at
the
drawings,
there's
color
drawing
it's
a
little
larger
I
photocopied
that
and
it's
smaller,
but
that
should
give
you
a
better
idea
of
what
this
particular
roof-mounted
sign
is
going
to
be.
Those.
E
E
This
these
two
particular
signs
are
about
3
feet
by
12
feet,
so
they're,
not
excessively
large,
they
are
lighted.
One
sign
you'll
be
able
to
see
coming
up.
Palmer
Street,
you
won't
be
able
to
see
it
on
Stimson
it'll,
be
on
the
back
on
the
roof
over
the
drive-thru
and
basically
that
whole
side
of
the
building
is
drive-thru.
On
the
other
side,
same
size,
sign,
it'll,
be
facing
toward
the
post
office.
G
A
E
A
E
B
E
E
Two
months
ago,
I
presented
information
to
the
Planning
Commission
concerning
changeable
copy
signs,
because
Athens
sign
ordinance
does
allow
changeable
copy,
sadly
knows
you're
having
an
evolution
in
the
industry
and
electronic
signs
not
hand
change
signs
are
starting
to
I,
don't
know
why
they
haven't
made
it
here.
Yet,
if
you've
done
to
other
towns
they're
there
all
over
the
place
and
a
lot
of
other
towns
sign.
G
E
Well,
I
think
time
and
temperature
designs
changing
electronically
were
one
of
the
first
things
we're
done.
They
are
permitted
by
the
code.
They
can
change
every
minute
changeable
copied,
though
our
code
does
not
distinguish
between
manual
changeable
and
electronic
changeable.
Like
I
said,
I
presented
this
the
Planning
Commission
two
months
ago,
so
hopefully
they'll
consider
some
concern.
Some
consideration
about
revising
our
current
code
or
those
type
side
is
going
to
be
permitted
or
not
right.
Now,
I,
don't
think
I
can
cannot,
can
deny
them
they're
they're
changeable
copy.
The
question
then
became.
E
How
often
can
the
sign
change
without
violating
the
section
that
says,
motion
to
create
attention
is
not
permitted.
The
Planning
Commission
at
their
last
meeting,
gave
me
some
guidance
and
said
so
long
as
the
sign
doesn't
change
any
more
often
than
once
per
day,
essentially
changing
the
same
as
if
you
had
a
hand,
change
copy
sign,
hopefully
there'll
be
some
consideration
to
revise
the
code,
because
these
electronic
signs
are
they're
coming
they're,
the
you
know,
they're
the
way
long
john
silver's
wants
to
put
one
up
right
now.
I
talked
to
the
company
in
Mississippi.
E
B
E
You
could
view
the
board's
allowed
to
attach
any
kind
of
conditions
or
restrictions
they
want
on
a
variance
to
safeguard
the
integrity
of
the
code,
and
so
yes,
you
can
say
that
they
could
not
be
changed
out
or
they
couldn't
be.
This
was
a
permit
for
the
sign,
as
specifically
requested
and
I,
think
that
would
be
sufficient.
I
think
the
language
of
boards
used
in
the
past
is
in
accordance
and
substantial
compliance
with
the
plans
is
submitted.
So
an
electronic
changeable
copy
sign
would
be
much
different
for
those.
C
J
Scott
nicely
president
Baca
Valley
Bank,
seven
Wisconsin
Avenue,
and
from
why
I
understand
the
request
that
we
have
made
is
primarily
because
there's
nothing
in
the
code
that
dressing,
but
wanting
to
do
down
there,
as
you
can
see
from
drawing
it's,
it's
mounting
a
sign
on
a
pitch
roof
and
he's
self-explanatory.
What
we're
asking
I
think
it's
in
the
way
it's
being
presented
to
the
spirit
of
the
sign
ordinance,
as
I
stated
in
my
response
to
you
that
that
it's
not
overbearing,
it's.
J
Not
going
to
be
winking
and
flashing
at
you
and
things
of
that
nature,
we
have
no
desire
to
do
that.
If
we
would,
we
would
be
asking
for
that
kind
of
sign.
Okay,
it's
also
the
other
son
who
has
the
fact
that
it's
lit
from
the
back
and
Larry
can
explain
to
you
the
mechanics
of
how
it
works,
but
it's
not
gonna
project.
It's
just
gonna!
It's
gonna
be
able
to
see
that
the
logo
in
the
it's
pretty
simple.
A
J
J
J
J
Good
and
we
would
we
would
accept
the
condition-
we're
not
gonna
pretty
light.
No,
no,
we
did
put
a
time
and
temperature
sign
back
on
the
Sara
Hendrick
was
in
and
for
Stieg
was
even
here
we
did
get
turned
down.
We
won
got
a
variance,
so
when
that
sign
was
put
on
the
State
Street,
we
did
go
through
the
process
of
doing
that.
We
would
be
the
same.
G
L
L
A
L
Really
is
the
sign:
is
it
that's
a
glass?
Is
it
the
cabinet,
bead
xperia
de
lumina
living
them
tube
framing?
If
you
look
at
the
front
there,
your
normal
signs
about
95%
of
them,
you
see
as
a
polycarbonate
front,
which
fully
illuminates
this
situation.
You're
going
to
have
probably
pretty
close
to
forty
percent
of
that
sign
block.
The
light
will
be
blocked
out
because,
oh
you
will
be
illuminating,
is
the
actual
hvv
logo,
the
rest
of
it
will
be
completely
blocked
out.
So
what
you
see
green
there
will
be
lit.
L
B
C
C
D
A
D
D
D
I
remember
now:
I
wish
I
had
made
a
tape
recording
of
everything
that
happened
in
the
discussions,
because
let
me
just
point
out
something:
I
live
in
102
North,
Lancaster
Street,
my
first
reaction
when
I
looked
at
this,
no
wait
a
minute:
where
do
you
need
those
signs?
That's
my
first
question:
why
do
you
need
any
sign
at
all,
because
when
I
go
down,
Stinson
I
see
the
bank
sign,
I
know
the
bank,
sir
I
know
what
it
looks
like
well.
The
answer
is,
he
has
to
tell
people
that
are
on
Palmer
Street.
D
L
L
G
D
A
D
F
D
Novelists,
the
novel
writers
have
novel
that
invent
conversations.
I,
don't
do
that
I,
don't
say
well,
we
had
a
discussion,
and
this
is
what
happened.
I
do
remember
this
much
about
this
roof
sign
business.
There
were
more
places
that
had
signs
that
went
above
the
roof
there
used
to
be
one
by
the
BP
station.
As
you
go
down
toward
the
barbershop
on
the
right.
There
used
to
be
a
sign
sitting
up
there.
A
D
G
D
That's
like
the
rebuild
okay.
Now,
what
I'm
leading
up
to
is
I
think
the
signs
are
in
good
shape.
Good
taste
I
did
not
understand
until
now
why
you
needed
the
signs
that
it
I
understand
what
I'm
saying,
because
I'm
used
to
seeing
Stimpson
Avenue
the
bank's
there
and
then
when
the
traffic
on
Palmer.
Why
would
it
have
no
but
I'm
not
going
to
oppose
it
on
that
ground,
I'm
going
to
simply
say
that
one
of
the
things
we
tried
to
do
when
we
wrote
the
sign
ordinance
you'll
be
interested
in
this
remark.
D
We
didn't
want
to
become
like
Nelson.
There
was
at
the
time
now.
You
won't
find
that
in
the
public
record,
but
what
we
were
worried
about
these
signs
that
were
flashing
as
you
came
down
the
main
street
of
Nelsonville
in
other
places.
That's
what
we
were
really
concerned
about
and
then
about
the
flickering
lights
on
the
signs.
I
remember
we
didn't
want
flashing
signs
of
any
time
and
all
I'm
simply
going
to
say
is
well.
D
If
you
feel
you
need
to
sign-
and
it's
not
all
that
bright-
it's
not
going
to
bother
the
neighborhoods
and
mr.
Pearson
and
I
discussed
this
today,
because
I
did
not
realize
that
b3
were
so
different
from
the
other
zones.
With
respect
to
the
lighting,
so
I
see
no
I
think
I
want
to
compliment
the
people
that
did
this.
This
is
the
first
time
that
I
think
a
business
has
ever
committed
with
such
beautiful
pictures
that
I
can
understand.
D
A
You
all
right
there
being
no
further
discussion
from
opposition
and
doesn't
say:
would
you
have
anything
further
that
you
want
to
say,
because
this
is
the
point
that
you
can
make
a
summation
if
you
care
okay,
then
the
discussion
from
the
floor
is
closed
and
we're
ready
to
give
our
decision.
Would
somebody
like
to
make
a
motion
comic.
A
A
A
A
J
G
C
A
A
A
A
G
A
A
A
A
A
F
A
A
A
I,
don't
think
a
whole
lot
of
people
are
at
least
they
don't
seem
to
be
a
whole
lot
of
instances
where
buildings
are
constructed
in
such
a
way
that
they
can't
put
the
sign
on
the
building
itself.
I
think
that,
generally,
is
the
preference,
so
I.
Don't
really
think
that
it
needs
to
have
the
law
change,
but
we
might
find
differently
in
a
week
in
a
month
or
two.