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A
Good
evening
this
is
a
meeting
of
the
athens
Board
of
Zoning
Appeals.
The
meeting
is
called
to
order
at
this
time,
707
p.m.
on
April
8
2008.
The
board
consists
of
five
members
and
two
alternates
an
alternate
takes
full
part
in
discussions
of
the
board
and
becomes
a
voting
member
in
the
absence
or
conflict
of
interest
of
a
regular
member
present.
This
evening,
our
members
betty
hallo,
roger
grouser,
myself,
muriel,
frederick
and
john
goals
ii.
We
are
expecting
our
alternate
michelle
dreible
very
shortly.
I
hope
also
present
this
evening.
A
A
The
appellant
or
a
representative
then
will
state
the
case
for
granting
the
appeal
testimony
next
will
be
taken
from
those
who
support
granting
the
appeal,
then
those
who
wish
to
speak
in
general
comments
and
those
who
support
denial
of
the
appeal
following
all
testimonies
the
board
will
receive
concluding
remarks
from
the
appellant
discussion
from
the
floor.
Then,
will
be
closed.
The
board
would
deliberate
and
render
a
decision
under
Athens
city
code
section.
A
A
A
Exceptional
circumstances
there
must
exist,
exist,
most
circumstances
or
conditions
applying
to
the
property
or
its
intended
use
that
do
not
in
general,
apply
to
properties
in
the
same
zoning
district.
The
third
is
preservation
of
equal
property
rights.
It
must
be
determined
that
literal
interpretation
of
the
code
would
deprive
the
appellant
of
rights
commonly
enjoyed
by
others
in
the
same
vicinity,
while
granting
the
variance
would
not
convey
a
special
privilege
number
for
a
minimum
variance.
A
It
must
be
determined
that
the
variance
is
the
minimum
required
to
make
reasonable
use
of
the
property
in
the
fifth
an
absence
of
detriment.
It
must
be
determined
that
the
granting
of
the
variance
will
not
be
of
substantial
detriment
to
adjacent
properties.
Norma
t
really
impair
the
purposes
of
the
code
or
the
public
interest
and
the
last
number
six
not
of
a
general
nature.
The
variance
sought
must
not
be
of
a
general
or
recurring
nature
such
that
the
situation
would
more
reasonably
be
handled
by
changing
the
law.
A
When
a
motion
is
made
regarding
a
variance
it
is
generally
made
in
the
affirmative.
Moving
to
grant
does
not
commit
the
board,
it
simply
offers
for
consideration
the
board
also.
Well,
we
don't
we're
not
hearing
anything
else
this
evening,
so
any
person
who
is
aggrieved
by
the
decision
of
the
board
may
file
an
appeal
to
the
Court
of
Common
Pleas.
Such
petition
must
be
filed
within
30
days
after
the
mailing
of
the
board's
resolution
to
the
appellant
tonight.
A
There
are
two
cases
on
the
agenda:
number
0,
8,
0,
5
v
4
for
university
terrace,
which
is
zoned
R
3
Delta
Tau
Delta
is
the
appellant
and
number
0
8
0
6
v
4
7
Byard
Street,
which
is
zoned
r1
and
Sean
Jones,
is
the
appellant.
The
board
is
required
by
law
to
take
testimony
under
oath
anyone
here
this
evening.
Who
wishes
to
speak?
Please
stand
to
be
sworn
at
this
time.
A
A
She's
not
here
within
a
short
time
by
the
time
the
actual
presentations
begin.
If
the
option
exists
for
the
people
who
are
presenting
their
cases
this
evening,
to
request
that
we
hear
it
next
month.
Instead,
however,
with
any
luck
at
all
she'll
be
here
any
minute
now,
Steve
has
gone
to
call
her
again.
I.
Think
I'd
like
at
this
time,
just
to
pause
for
long
enough
for
the
phone
call
to
be
made.
So,
as
you
were
so
sorry,.
A
Okay,
while
we're
waiting
from
his
Dre,
both
who's
been
delayed.
We're
going
we've
just
approved
the
minutes
from
the
March
11
meeting
and
we
are
going
to
come
here
from
Susan
and
Hans
pĂȘche,
who
wrote
to
mr.
Pearson
saying
I'm
writing
to
ask
me
a
bit.
Abby
had
added
to
the
agenda
of
the
Zoning
Board
meeting
on
April
8th
we'd,
like
to
address
the
board
concerning
a
variance
the
Board
granted,
which
affected
a
home
we
own
at
8,
Strathmore
Boulevard,
and
would
you
like
to
come
up
and
state
to
the
podium
barons?
B
B
B
Given
you
two
pictures
of
the
home
and
it
was
a
variance
granted
on
this
home,
we
bought
the
home
about
a
year
and
a
half
ago,
and
at
the
time
the
seller
knew
did
not
tell
us
that
there
was
a
parents
granted
at
that
time
to
to
our
neighbor.
This
is
our.
If
you
look
at
the
the
two
photographs
there,
the
one,
the
one
that
looks
like
this.
This
is
the
addition
that
was
built
and
our
home
is
the
one
on
your
left.
The
other
photograph
is
the
diagram
of
our
main
entrance.
B
This
is
what
we
see
as
a
result
of
the
addition.
We
opened
the
door
and
we
see
a
brick
wall.
That's
20
feet
away
from
where
we
are
at
the
time
when
we
bought
the
home.
There
was
no
one
in
8
Strathmore,
it
was,
it
was
owned,
but
the
owner
was
also
the
realtor
and
he
did
not
disclose
that
there
was
any
building
going
on
when
we
saw
the
the
home
looked
like
a
very
small
ranch
home
looked
very
nice.
We
were
very
happy
with
it.
B
Then
after
we
took
possession
of
the
home,
we
heard
well
there's
this
big
addition
going
on
there.
It's
going
well,
most
of
the
you
know,
begin
the
street
and
so
forth
so
on,
and
we
thought
whoa,
you
know
that
might
have
changed
how
when
we
bought
her
bought
the
home
or
not,
however,
of
the
the
board
acted
appropriately.
We
don't
have
any
gripes
about
that.
The
neighbors
apparently
were
all
aware
of
that
they
had
their
chance
to
talk,
but
there
was
nobody
to
complain.
Actually
there
was
nobody
there
in
that
home.
No
one
said
anything.
B
Our
problem
is
that
we
would
like,
or
our
concern
is,
that
we
would
like
the
board
to
really
think
about
future
tenants.
I
guess
future
owners
of
buildings
I
feel
in
our
case
we
kind
of
fell
between
rock
and
a
hard
place.
We
did
not
know
what
was
going
to
happen.
Although
everything
was
legal,
there
was
nothing
nothing
there
that
was
to
complain
about,
except
that
we
did
not
know.
We
would
ask
the
board
to
very
seriously
consider
in
the
future
to
think
about
future
tenants
of
future
owners.
What
might
might
impact
them?
B
B
Well,
probably
that
would
be
nice
if
the
board
would
have
stipulated
that
when
granting
the
variance
to
say
well,
yes
with,
we
would
like
you
to
build
and
as
we
would
to
I,
think
that
it's
a
very
nice
building,
but
put
something,
let's
put
a
buffer
there,
some
kind
of
landscaping
some
pop
trees,
something
like
that.
If
the
board
had
thought
something
like
that,
I
think
what
would
be
appropriate
and
would
be
a
good
thing
for
future
cases
when
you
grant
variances
and
again
we
we
have
nothing.
B
B
The
requests
are
part
again.
This
is
not
request,
as
I
suggested
is
that
you
as
a
board,
are
very
cautious
when
you
rented,
which
I'm
sure
you
are
but
but
take
a
look
at
situations
of
all
the
cars
where
there
is
no
owner
there
to
ask,
for
instance,
if
the
people
who
living
in
a
kid
Strathmore,
we
ask
do
you
might
have
this
addition,
there
people
six
draft
more
and
all
around
there.
People
say
yes
now
come
to
argue
and
from
the
board
and
so
forth.
B
E
Plan
to
do
milling
to
plant
some
nice
very
narrow,
skyrockets
universe,
because
we
thought,
because
our
garage
is
there.
If
you
look
at
and
see
it
looks
like
our
garage
sticks
out
there
and
there
was
a
nice
12
inch
strip.
So
we
at
our
expense.
We
started
to
plant
some
narrow,
skyrockets
univers,
and
we
were
informed
that
that
was
not
our
property
and
we
could
not
put
them
there.
D
Me
just
say
a
couple
of
things
here
this
case
was
heard
and
because
of
concerns
about
the
size
of
the
addition
that
was
being
considered,
we
asked
to
get
specific
information
from
the
contractor
about
the
specifics
of
the
size
of
the
building.
So
it
was
continued
I
happen
not
to
be
here
when
when
we
did
get
that
information,
but
as
far
as
I
know
from
the
first
meeting,
mr.
karageorge
was
the
appellant
and
I.
Don't
remember
who
represented
him,
but
from
all
we
knew.
C
B
D
Well,
I
see
so
no
one
in
your
house
when,
when
this
case
was
initially
presented,
the
attorney
I
guess
mr.
Carroll
George
was
not
here.
His
attorney
represented
him
and
he
mister
mr.
Garre
said
that
he
was
unaware
of
any
opposition
to
the
variance,
and
he
also
presented
evidence
that
trying
to
find
that
that
the
neighbors
in
general
supported
it
I'm
trying
to
find
where
he
named
number
of
people
who
supported
it.
But
according
to
him,
there
was
no
problem
with
the
neighbors
who
presumably
had
been
consulted.
D
However,
we
were
told
I
specifically
said
that
I
thought
that
together,
the
variances
were
significant.
Mr.
grosser
was
worried
that
the
addition
might
be
too
big.
As
was
I.
We
were
told
that
it
would
be
a
garage
with
rooms.
Above
it
it
was
supposed
to
be
a
two
and
a
half
cost
size
garage
and
above
it
would
be
a
master
bedroom,
a
closet,
the
bathroom
and
an
office.
I
think
perhaps
we
were
just
as
surprised.
I
was
just
as
surprised
as
you
when
suddenly
an
addition
appeared
that
was
certainly
larger
than
the
house
actually.
E
You
anyways,
we
won't
be
able
to
be
heard.
We
defend
his
right
to
build,
we
believe
in
his
right
to
build
it's
just
that
we
would
have
liked
if
there
was
something
that
where
we
didn't
open
our
door
and
just
see
the
brick
wall,
you
know
if
it's
serve.
An
IV
on
there
are
bushes
are
something
that
would
have
softened
that
view.
That
is
far
even
though.
F
D
Well,
all
I
can
say
is
that
I
think
neighbors?
They
add
that
I've
talked
to
him.
Do
now
share
some
of
you
and
I
certainly
do
and
I
can't
say
that
the
case
was
misrepresented
to
us,
because
I
did
not
hear
the
second
meeting
when
they
came
in
actually
told
no
I
think
it
was.
We
were
asked
to
give
a
variance
for
that
side.
Setback.
D
B
B
G
G
B
B
H
B
H
H
H
D
Well,
mr.
Kerry
George
ed,
you
said,
there's
a
reasonable
person,
so
perhaps
we
can
speak
to
them.
Wait
would
say
that
one
of
the
things
that
always
is
considered
when
we're
giving
a
variance
is
what
will
happen
to
this
property
in
the
future.
During
the
current
Nona
is
no
longer
habit.
How
will
it
be
treated?
What
would
be
the
consequences
to
changes
right.
B
So
and
then
that's
an
important
thing,
that's
why
we're
here,
I
guess
what
you're
saying
right
now
is
that
that's
very
important
what's
going
to
happen
in
the
future,
when
the
current
orders
are,
as
I
said,
there
wasn't
a
war
on
there,
we're
there
now
and
how
how
will
affect
people
down
the
line
and
then
that's
that's
kind
of
okay.
Thank.
B
C
A
For
for
University
Terrace
and
they
are
requesting,
but
this
is
a
case
that
was
heard
before
and
is
back
because
the
various
that
they
had
received
had
a
deadline
of
one
year
and
it
has
expired.
It
had
was
supposed
to
have
been
done
by
September
of
last
year.
So
is
there
anything
beyond
that
that
you
need
to
add
before
we
begin
to
hear
the
case
again,
Steve.
G
Yes,
my
name
is
Steve
Pearson
I
have
this
morning:
I'm
Zoning
Administrator
for
the
city
of
Athens,
Ohio
I,
provided
you
with
new
drawings,
related
to
the
renovation
of
property,
rivers,
larger
larger
sheets.
What
I,
provided
you
previously
in
the
package,
is
the
same
information
that
was
considered
in
September
2005
case
number,
five
16v.
G
Originally
the
application
was
refused
because
it
was
going
to
be
an
addition
to
the
structure
at
the
city
code.
23:08
o1c
says
that
any
change
or
addition
to
an
existing
structure,
including
request
for
increased
occupancy
and
residential
uses
parking,
shall
be
required
to
meet
the
requirements
for
all
the
uses
of
the
premises
so
written.
The
plan
did
have
addition
to
the
building
and
therefore
this
section
of
the
code
became
effective.
My
understanding
now
from
talking
to
the
architect
of
the
project,
mr.
G
Richard
dieback,
is
that
he
was
going
to
be
added,
is
not
now
going
to
be
yet
so
there's.
No
addition,
there
will
be
some
change
and
I
will
let
mr.
dieback
explain.
You
know
the
details
of
the
differences
between
the
previous
plan,
which
did
require
a
variance
in
this
one,
which
is
not
an
addition,
but
could
be
considered.
A
change
require
important.
There
are
38
tenants
in
the
building.
That's
a
fraternity
house,
Delta
fraternity.
G
A
C
G
A
J
J
J
J
Not
only
has
it
taken
a
while
to
get
the
money,
but
it's
a
little
less
money
than
the
project
originally
cost,
so
we
were
looking
for
some
ways
to
reduce
the
cost
of
the
projects,
and
so
what
we
arrived
at
was
this
scheme
that
you
received,
which
was
the
we'll
call
the
current
version.
If
you
look
at
the
plans,
which
I
hope
aren't
too
confusing
their
first
level
second
level,
four
little
fourth
level,
and
if
you
want
to
know
how
that
relates
to
the
building
when
you
cut
through
the
building,
that's
what
this
drawings
about.
J
J
We
tore
out
the
center
section
of
the
age,
well,
we'd
like
to
tear
out
the
second
Center
section
on
the
aged
and
replace
it
in
such
a
way
that
the
floors
line
up
through
the
entire
building,
so
we
don't
have
to
build
around
to
get
wheelchair
access
through.
You
come
in
the
front
door
and
you
can
go
straight
through
to
the
back
section.
So
this
entire
construction
in
the
center
is
in
effect,
kind
of
like
an
addition.
I
mean
we're
tearing
it
out
and
rebuilding
it,
but
it's
it's
within
the
footprint
of
the
existing
building.
J
F
D
J
Lowest
level
of
that
site,
the
what
you
would
have
is
this
one
section
of
the
building
this
the
rest
of
this.
That's
all
shaded
Gray's
into
the
hill
that
doesn't
it's
not
it's
not
part
of
the
building,
I
mean
at
that
level.
Okay,
you
move
up
to
the
second
floor
at
the
same
section,
and
then
the
center
section
is
roughly
26
by
30
foot,
rectangle,
okay,.
J
K
D
J
I
J
J
It
just
turned
out
that
the
third
level
on
the
east
side
is
the
same
level
as
the
entry
level
on
the
west
side,
when
the
building
was
originally
built.
That
center
section
was
halfway
between
kind
of
like
a
tri-level
house
would
be
so
you
always
had
a
half
a
level
self
steps
to
go
up
down,
one
where
I
do
to
get
to
any
of
these
levels.
That,
obviously,
is
not
wheelchair
accessible,
and
so
we
had
to
accommodate
meet
those
requirements.
I
C
J
I
I
J
In
okay,
I
guess.
E
C
J
J
E
J
So
I
guess,
in
summary,
what
we're
asking
for
is
what
was
the
same
variance
that
we
had
year
and
a
half
ago
in
principled
design
hasn't
changed
very
much
right.
You
were
accommodating
one
less
resident,
37,
plus
the
Resident
Advisor
and,
as
I've
stated
before,
it's
physically
impossible
to
really
comply
with
the
parking
requirement.
K
J
A
L
I
was
I,
stood
up
there.
I
know
to
do
that,
and
the
notice
says
that
this
is
a
question
of
parking
off
of
street
parking
and
my
property
is
at
14
University
Terrace
and
we're
actually
next
to
each
other,
because
they
didn't
number
of
right
and
I
kept
telling
them.
They
didn't
number
it
correctly,
but
they
didn't
but
we're
next-door
neighbors.
My
husband
was
on
the
house
company
when
the
Beta
Chapter
built
that
new
house
I
was
on
the
we
did.
L
L
I
give
you
the
horror
story
when
I
went
before
the
Board
of
Zoning
Appeals
at
that
time
about
getting
that
building
put
in
there,
but
we
do
not
have
any
parking
at
14,
University
Terrace
and
we
were
approved
in
the
beginning
for
62
people.
I.
Think
we're
now
down
to
a
monstrous
team
is
at
53
or
50
to
53.
I.
Think
I.
Think
it's
53
is
we've
reduced
it
because
the
space
says
you
can
do
it,
but
we
have
53
people
plus
a
housemother.
L
We
rent
space
at
the
parking
garage
for
the
house,
mother
and
the
rest
of
the
girls
who
have
cars
go
down
to
most
of
erect
Reister
King.
My
feeling
on
this
is
that
when
we
both
went
in
there,
both
the
delts
and
the
Alpha
gams,
we
were
allowed
to
go
in
there
with
a
variance
knowing
we
did
not
have
parking
and
I
grant
you
that
not
everybody
had
a
car
back
in
those
days
for
all
these
years,
none
of
us
have
had
any
parking
and
I.
Don't
think.
L
L
I
certainly
am
in
favor
of
them
going
in
there
and
doing
the
house
over
because
it
looks
it
doesn't
look
very
good
and
our
house
looks
fine
and
we
are
in
two
weeks
celebrating
our
100th
anniversary
at
Ohio
University,
and
we
would
have
liked
to
seen
that
house
off
the
Delft
House
already
completed,
but
the
Alpha
gams
do
not
have
any
parking.
Brian
Hall
is
the
next
building
on
the
Alpha.
Gams
have
the
delts
on
one
side
and
Brian
Hall
on
the
other
side
and
I
do.
B
L
Know
but
when
I
was
a
resident
counselor
earlier,
I
had
250
people,
there
are
not
250
parking
spots
and
I
grant
you
at
the
university
building,
but
I
have
I
felt
that
they
should
be
held
to
the
same
requirement
that
everybody
else
is
so
parking.
I
would
not
not
like
to
see
them
denied
the
ability
to
do
this
because
of
perking
alpha
gams.
Have
it
if
you
take,
if
you
say
they
can't
do
it,
you
really
should
take
it
away
from
us
too.
Plus
I
have
been
in
negotiation
with
them.
L
L
It
was
blocked
off
first
by
the
University
and
second
by
Jeff,
Hall
Jeff
Hill
being
closed
and
I'm
still
not
happy
about
that,
because
I
still
say
we
have
access
to
the
back
of
our
property,
and
each
of
us
could
have
put
in
at
least
the
doubts
could
put
more
in
there,
but
we
could
put
six
in
ours
and
I.
Think
you
could
probably
put
eight
so
that
you
could
have
some
parking
for
people,
that's
something
that
still
has
to
be
resolved,
but
I
would
certainly
urge
you.
L
L
When
the
girls
come
in
and
I'm
sure
the
young,
where
the
men
come
in
there,
they
know
there
is
no
place
to
park
and
it's
made
pretty
very
clear
to
them,
and
you
have
to
understand
that
the
people
who
live
in
fraternity
and
sorority
houses
this
the
seniors,
don't
want
to
live
there.
So
they
take
off
their
out
Makenna
in
the
city,
some
juniors,
but
mostly
you
get
sophomores.
They
listen
to
everything.
You
say
you
say
you
can't
have
a
car
here.
L
So
we
have
not
had
problems
with
people
trying
to
park
getting
parking
tickets
in
front
of
the
building
on
University
tears
when
they
have
the
move-in
and
the
exit
it's
no
more
difficult
than
Brian
Hall,
which
has
no
place
to
park.
It's
no
more
different
difficult
than
is
it
wrongly
or
polygem,
whichever
it
is
right
now
it's
no
more
difficult
than
anyplace
else,
and
so
they're,
certainly
not
creating
a
hardship
on
University
Terrace
for
anybody
else
and
I
have
not
I've
been
working
with
them
since
well,
more.
C
L
H
L
Know
before
they
go
in
there,
then
there
isn't
any
there.
So
if,
if
they
did
I
mean
if
they
don't
want
to
go
there
and
they're
required
to
do
it,
you
remove
them
from
the
group
have
to
follow
the
rules,
but
they
I
think
I,
don't
know
neither
one
of
you
or
delsar.
Are
you
dealt?
Do
you
know
of
any?
Are
you
a
beta
chapter?
W-What
year,
kids,
we
didn't
come
back
till
63,
but
then
you
were
at
32
president's
treatment.
So
that's
you
can't
compare
that,
but
I
think
all
those
years
no
problem.
F
F
F
F
C
A
G
I
have
provided
you
the
minutes
of
the
previous
hearing,
which
has
the
discussion
related
to
the
property,
its
topography
and
the
findings
of
the
board.
So
there
is
that
additional
information
that
you
know
has
been
presented
previously
but
may
not
have
been
presented
tonight.
So
that's
why
I
want
you
you
to
have
a
copy
of
those
previous
minutes.
A
G
G
G
G
G
A
A
Mr.
Trebek,
do
you
have
anything
further
that
you'd
like
to
add
before
we
close
discussion
from
the
floor
and
begin
to
consider
the
case
when
at
this
time,
then,
the
discussion
from
the
floor
is
closed
and
ready
to
consider
whether
one
we
need
to
provide
a
variance
for
this
construction
that
they're
planning
and
if
we
do.
A
Yeah,
a
good
question:
Roger.
A
I
I
A
E
I
D
D
D
Well
again,
it's
the
location
in
the
typography
and
the
fact
that,
when
Miz,
Presley
and
others
pocket
for
the
location
of
these
buildings
at
this
space
in
1968,
they
were
granted
permission
to
do
with
it.
And
if
you
now
denied
that,
basically
you
would
have
an
empty
building.
Yeah
we'd
have
to
go
to
some
total.
D
D
A
K
K
A
Will
yeah,
then
that's
why
they
need
to
have
approval
for
continuing
they're
grandfathered
status
on
the
parking?
It's
because
they're
making
a
change
in
when
they
make
a
major
change.
They're
supposed
to
come
back
for
an
opportunity
to
make
sure
that
this
is
still
an
appropriate
exception.
But
it
seems
to
me
it's
a
still
an
appropriate
exception
for
a
building
like
that
from
built.
Specifically
for
that
purpose,
and
given
the.
D
A
Okay,
so
that's
the
exceptional
circumstances,
the
location
of
the
property
and
the
preservation
of
equal
property
rights.
Well,
it's
been
testified
that
other
buildings
in
the
same
vicinity
have
the
same
situation.
There
is
no
parking
for
the
neighboring
buildings,
so
it
wouldn't
be
a
privilege
for
them
to
be.
C
A
A
A
All
right,
our
next
case
is
number
zero.
Eight
zero,
six
V,
its
four
seven
fired
Street,
which
is
our
one
and
Joneses,
are
appellant,
requesting
a
variance
from
2004
see
to
increase
interior
comes
the
cubic
content
of
a
non-conforming
building
where
that
kind
of
increase
is
prohibited
and
Steve.
Could
you
give
us
the
details
on
this
refusal?
Sure.
G
I'm
again,
my
name
is
Steve.
Pearson
I
have
been
sworn
in,
I'm
a
Zoning
Administrator
for
the
city
of
Athens
Ohio.
The
particular
non-conforming
use
on
this
property
is
not
that
the
buildings
are
being
occupied
or
used
in
a
non-conforming
manner.
There
are
both
single-family
residential
homes,
each
with
occupancy
of
two.
They
both
have
run
off
limits
on
them.
27
Pratt,
7
buyers
are
on
the
same
lot.
So
that's
where
the
nonconformity
was.
L
G
G
G
G
Provides
you
with
information
that
shows
the
existing
footprints
just
a
single
floor,
single-story
home
right
now,
mr.
Jim
generated
destroyed.
It
shows
the
size
of
the
two
bedrooms,
the
living
room
in
the
kitchen.
Currently,
the
next
sheet
shows
the
same
floor
as
it
would
be
renovated
and
then
the
third
sheet
that
you
should
have
shows
a
change
in
the
info.
If
the
increase
in
cubic
content
is
permitted,
the
second
floor,
which
is
just
an
attic
nano,
will
be
converted
or
changed
to
the
second
bedroom.
G
G
So
the
increase
will
be
increase
in
cubic
content,
so
these
are
rental
properties.
They
both
yes,
have
valid
relevance:
they're,
not
owner
occupier;
no,
they
are
not
owner
occupied
and,
as
I
mentioned
currently
there's
the
permits
are
for
to
residents
in
each
property.
With
this
application,
there's
no
request
for
increased
occupancy.
The
section
I
mentioned
before
2308
o1,
see,
if
you
it
specifically
says
if
you
request,
increased
occupancy
that
also
kicks
in
the
requirement
for
additional
parking.
But
in
this
particular
case
it's
just
an
expansion.
The
cubic
area
of
this
second
building
so.
G
G
That's
really
six
twelve
uses
as
a
common
pitch,
but
he
would
like
to
increase
the
pitch
to
twelve
twelve.
Essentially,
it
makes
the
peak
of
the
roof
low
right
triangle
and
then
creates
quite
a
bit
more
usable
area
as
opposed
to
a
roof.
That's
flatter!
612!
Isn't
that
down
about
like
about
like
that.
It's
pretty
hard
to
stand
on
twelve
twelve,
almost
impossible
to
stand
on
a
creative
right
angle,
so
you
have
that
increased
ceiling,
height
potential.
G
And
with
that
increase
in
ceiling
height,
then
you
do
have
the
ability
or
potential
ceiling
height
to
create
living
space.
Generally
speaking,
this
can
be
done
with
either
the
top
connector
of
a
prefabricated,
truss
or
a
collar
tie
between
site
cut
rafters,
which
essentially
creates
the
Baltic
area
and
the
Epis
you've
seen
Cape
Cod
houses
with
the
vaulted
ceiling,
I
suspect.
In
effect,
that's
the
you
know,
that's
what
will
be
created
in
this
upstairs.
I
I
A
D
I
I'm
reading
here
chilling
his
letter
that
he
sent
to
the
board
members
is
that,
basically,
this
house
isn't
very
poor
repair.
It
is,
and
it's
moldy
and
there's
a
lot
of
health
issues,
possibly
I'd
be
worried
about
the
foundation
and
so
he's
basically
wanting
to
you
know,
improve
the
existing
structure
and
by
doing
that,
he's
looking
at
making
it
a
little
larger
as
well.
Maybe.
I
D
I
think
the
thing
that's
the
bottom
line
is
that
non-conforming
properties
are
supposed
to
disappear
eventually
and
that's
why
it
says
that
you
can't
do
more
than
just
general
repairs
on
them:
you're
not
supposed
to
put
a
whole
lot
of
money
in
them
and
make
them
really
better,
so
they
last
a
long
time
they
are
supposed
to
disappear
and
I'm
not
sure
whether
this
property
has
been
occupied
for
the
previous
year
or
not.
Is
it
out
right
now?
Yes,.
D
G
D
G
Repairs
are
permitted
under
that
section,
the
code
about
65%
of
the
value
of
a
non-conforming
use.
However,
there
is
that
exception
for,
but
you
cannot
expand
the
cubic
here
right.
Okay,
so
even
when
you
do
have
a
non-conforming
use
or
non-conforming
building,
you
are
allowed
to
do
renovations
and
improvements
to
it
up
to
65
percent
of
the
value.
D
D
I
D
I
A
C
M
M
I
bought
these
two
houses
must
been
20
years
ago
and
shortly
after
buying
seven
Meyer
Street,
we
renovated
at
a
time
and
those
sort
of
things,
but
really
not
much
has
been
done
to
it
that
time
it's
showing
it
itself,
it
needs
new
purpose.
That's
what
I
say.
One
of
the
problems
is
we
notice
that
the
old
metal
roof
even
leaking,
as
we
were
crawling
around
up,
the
Attic
looking
for
rafters
are
all
kinds
of
goofy
different
directions.
Broken
inception
bowed,
so
it
occurred
to
us.
M
Well,
the
main
problem
this
house
has
always
had
is
that
the
bathroom?
This
thing
is
just
tiny.
Obviously
somebody
added
it
on
you
know
40
years
ago,
or
something
and
it's
just
it's
a
focus,
and
so
it's
a
non-stop
molten
problem
with
that
place,
and
so
it
occurred
to
us
that
if
we
had
moved
one
of
the
bedrooms
up
into
the
attic
space
that
it
would
end
up,
freeing
up
a
lot
of
space
downstairs
make
a
bathroom
down.
M
There
I
think
it's
a
person
up
students,
their
own
bathroom
and
one
of
the
reasons
that
we
decided
that
to
apply
for
the
building
program.
Was
there
wouldn't
be
to
really
do
the
roof
right?
It
would
be
easier
almost
if
to
take
the
whole
thing
off
and
just
replace
it
with
classes.
Then
that's
gonna
be
straight.
It
can
ease
it
in.
It's
like
it's
gonna,
be
something
L
last
its
just
sort
of
jingling
it
over
or
patching
it,
and
we
thought
well
frigging.
Do
that
much
effort.
M
Why
not
go
ahead
and
invest
the
thirty
forty
thousand
dollars
in
repairing
the
house
and
see
if
we
can
do
with
the
city
and
they're
talking
about
repairing
the
foundation?
Those?
So
that's
when
we
ran
across
the
problem
of
being
non-conforming
cuz,
we
had
two
buildings
in
the
same
lot:
I
don't
know
when
these
things
were
built,
but
I
drove
it
for
20
years,
and
they
were
all
done
now.
I
guess.
The
thing
I
really
want
to
stress
here
is
not
increasing
the
footprint
of
this
building.
In
any
way,
I
mean
the
building.
M
Footprint
is
exactly
the
same,
and
the
only
thing
that
you're
gonna
see
different
from
looking
the
outside
is
that
the
pitch
of
the
roof
changes
slightly.
It's
gonna
be
slightly
steeper.
That's
what's
gonna
happen
to
accommodate
the
other
room.
The
Attic
and
one
of
the
things
that
we'd
like
to
do
is
that
we
really
want
to
make
it
like,
like
23
Pratt
Street,
and
that
we're
gonna
try
to
take
advantage
of
that.
So,
as
you
walk
in
to
see
sort
of
a
cathedral
ceiling,
the
first
part
in
the
stairway
to
wrap
around
it
goes
nothing.
M
M
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M
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M
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M
M
A
A
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M
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A
K
K
Guess
I
could
do
that
I
moved
to
grant
a
variance
to
the
property
at
seven,
how
to
pronounce
buyers
Street
from
section
20305,
o
4c,
to
increase
the
cubic
content
of
a
non-conforming
building
where
such
increase
in
cubic
containers
prohibited,
provided
that
the
proposed
plan
provides
a
12
by
12
rough
pitch,
with
no
doors
and
a
second
door.
Okay,.
K
K
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K
I
K
If
they're
gonna
be
spending
I
mean
they
can,
is
there
any
rule
that
how
much
money
can
expand
before
there's
any
change?
Sixty
five
percent
sixty
five
percent-
if
he
is
going
to
spend
more
than
sixty
five
percent
of
the
costs
of
their
building
to
renovate
that
it
still
is
gonna
end
up
with
the
present
two
by
two
bedroom.
So
then
there
is
no
variance
for
that.
If
there
is
no
change
in
the
cubic
feet,
12
cubic.
A
K
E
G
That's
the
beginning
section:
it's
about
repairing
replacement,
damaged
buildings
when
such
non-conforming
structure
is
damaged,
destroyed
or
falls
into
disrepair
to
extent
of
65%
or
less
no
repairs
or
rebuilding
shall
be
permitted,
except
in
conformity
with
all
applicable
regulations
in
the
following.
So
if
mr.
Jones
were
not
expanding
the
cubic
content,
he
could
improve
the
property
up
to
65%
if
number
one,
the
zoning
permit
pertaining
to
such
restoration
shall
be
applied
for
an
issue
within
one
year
of
such
destruction.
G
A
portion
of
a
structure,
continued
non-conforming
use,
work
may
be
done
on
ordinary
repairs
or
on
repairs,
a
replacement
of
non
load-bearing
walls,
fixtures,
wiring
or
plumbing,
and
then
here's
the
kicker
provided
there's
a
cubic
content
existing
when
it
became
non-conforming
shall
not
be
increased.
So
if
he
were
not
expanding
it,
he
could
obtain
a
permit
is
to.
C
G
D
D
And
I
guess
I
could
also
say
and
I'm
perfectly
willing
to
argue
both
sides.
So
in
some
some
ways
the
exceptional
circumstances
are
that
the
two
houses
were
built
under
the
law
up,
probably
quite
some
time
ago,
and
the
lot
is
too
small
really
for
a
split,
especially
considering
that
parking
problems
would
accrue
from
a
split
if
that
were
done.
In
addition
to
making
to
quite
undersized
Lots.
D
K
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H
Curious
about
something-
maybe
this
is
an
appropriate
time
to
ask,
but
it's
I
don't
think
of
it
often
enough
to
ask
you,
on
the
other
circumstances,
how
many
cases
during
course
of
a
year
comes
to
your
attention
where
there's
more
people
staying
in
a
unit
than
what's
allowed
by
the
code
once
twice
three
times
a
year?
Never.
G
I
could
be
real
candid
with
you
coming
up
this
spring,
we'll
have
quite
a
few
tenants
who
will
try
to
be
trying
to
get
back
their
deposits
and
break
their
leases,
and
they
will
present
to
the
code
enforcement
office,
copies
of
lease
agreements
that
list
four
or
five
people
and
that's
the
that
would
be
the
only
way,
though,
that
we
would
have
that
information.
So
in
some
cases
and
in
particular
coming
up
now,
it
will
be
where
there
have
been
too
many
there
and
they've
signed
a
lease.
H
I
G
Lot
of
times
what
will
happen
to
is
and
just
from
the
other
side
of
it,
there
are
a
lot
of
landlords
who
very
strictly
regulate
the
number
of
people
and
are
very
diligent
and
posting
their
occupancy.
Permit
that's
required
by
the
housing
code.
You
know
the
maximum
number
of
people
that's
permitted
there.
You
get
a
card
that
you're
supposed
to
post
at
a
rental
property,
because
if
you
have
more
than
the
permitted
maximum
number
of
people,
that's
a
lot
of
extra
wear
and
tear
on
the
property
you
know
they
can
see
is
bad.
G
What
evidence
would
be
quired
be
required
to
prove
a
municipal
court
over
occupancy,
for
example,
if
I
have
a
lease,
that's
pretty
much
a
head,
an
affidavit
or
sworn
testimony.
You
get
you
got
a
winner
there,
but
how
often
you
get
that
information?
It
doesn't
come
up
very
often
on
the
flip
side
to
get
back
to
where
I
was
mentioning
if
you've
got
a
four
or
five
bedroom
house,
but
it's
in
the
zone
that
only
allows
three
I
think
if
I
was
paying
the
rent.
My
resources
were
limited.
G
A
G
You
know
extra
rooms,
though,
for
example,
are
nice
for
mom's
weekend,
dad
weeks
and
subs
weekend
friend,
coming
over
from
another
college
to
spend
the
weekend.
It's
really
hard
to
be
honest
with
you
when,
when
when
does
it
become
the
person
actually
living
there,
you
can
stay
somewhere
and
visit
for
up
to
30
days
so.
K
N
N
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D
C
D
A
A
K
D
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A
I
H
A
A
Just
painting
doing
anything
to
it,
but
but
whether
we're
supposed
to
be
improving
that
building
or
just
maintaining
that
building
according
to
the
purposes
of
the
code,
big.
H
A
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A
A
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D
D
That
one
okay,
would
it
create
a
privilege
for
him
to
have
both.
A
D
A
C
D
D
A
D
A
K
A
Just
because
I'm
just
between
all
of
the
place-
and
we
still
have
no
I-
will
say
that
I
think
it
would
be
a
better
house
and
it
would
be
good
to
have
a
better
house.
So
I
will
vote
YES,
knowing
that
it
can't
happen
anyway.
So
so,
what's
the
vote?
It's
three
to
two
and
yeah
I.
Do
hope
that
the
bathroom
gets
problem
gets
resolved
so
hurry
Smee
anyway,
and
we
took
care
of
our
other
business
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting
business.
To
talk
about
oh-
and
that
is
the.
I
D
I
I
I
I
A
I
think
resigning
yours
shouldn't
be
necessary,
but
your
point
is
that
she'd
be
gone
for
an
extended
people.
G
A
G
A
G
G
Why
we
had
actually
that's
why
the
second
alternate
or
the
seventh
position
was
created
several
years
ago,
because
there
were
many
many
times
where
it
was
hard
to
even
get
four
members
and
six.
So
with
that
extra
seventh
member,
the
second
alternate:
now
you
have
more
of
an
opportunity
to
be
able
to
get
five,
but
even
tonight's,
an
example
and.