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B
Here
it's
my
understanding
that
the
telephone
system
is
about
16
years
old
and
I'm.
Think
the
mayor
will
tell
us
why
it
probably
needs
to
be
replaced
along
with
the
local
area
network
system,
which
connects
the
buildings
and
also
maybe
looking
at
the
wide
area
network.
Okay
with
that
I
think
I'll
turn
it
over
to
you
to
talk
about
what
the
specifics
are
here.
D
D
D
So
what's
happened
that
in
that
for
a
while
has
been
that
we
are
existing
by
the
second
secondary
market
of
DSL
modems
and
when
they've
been
taken
out
of
other
businesses,
we've
been
able
to
acquire
some
own,
so
we've
had
a
few
spare
parts
and
Ron
has
been
capable
too.
We've
had
two
of
them
failed
so
far
and
we
replaced
those
with
the
used
DSL.
D
We
got
from
other
businesses
in
town
that
have
converted
to
another
system,
so
we're
at
risk
with
the
computer
system,
and
this
today
would
some
months
ago
or
actually
last
summer
also
we
went
to
paperless
purchase
orders,
for
example,
so
everybody
just
does
that
over
the
local
area
network
and
we
aren't
taking
paperwork
up
to
the
auditor's
office
or
waiting
for
it
to
be
signed
and
separate.
It's
all
done
electronically.
D
D
Years
ago,
Verizon
decided
to
no
longer
service
the
PBX
systems
so
we're
again
in
the
aftermarket
and
for
parts
and
wood
for
service.
We
rely
upon
two
distinguished
gentlemen
that
are
retired
from
GTE,
can't
actually
I
think
they
were
GTV,
maybe
or
Verizon,
and
so
they've
been
able
to
keep
us
going,
but
again
it's
a
system
that
is
at
risk.
So
about
a
year
and
a
half
ago,
technical
people
on
Forrest
and
Scott
Thompson
started
to
look
into.
D
The
first
thing
that
we
did
when
this
company
was
to
hire
them
for
writing
off
five
or
six
thousand
dollars
to
survey
our
system
and
to
look
at
what
we
had
what
types
of
things
we
were
trying
to
accomplish
with
the
whole
gambling
and
they
brought
back
to
us
things.
We
really
hadn't
thought
about
a
whole
lot,
because
we
added
to
the
system
over
time.
D
We
did
it
with
our
in-house
electricians
and
our
staff,
and
so
they're
saying
our
system
wasn't
too
secure
because
well,
you
can
remember
council
office
and
how
it
looked
back
there
with
all
those
wires
running
around,
and
it
was
the
same
thing
we
have
a
lot
of
other
now.
It
looks
a
lot
better
today
when
we
did
do
some
work
there
to
get
it
back
together,
but
so
there
across
prices,
because,
as
we
look
at
things,
would
include
those
kinds
of
items,
but
they
have
looked
at
the
system
extensively.
D
All
of
the
prices
that
we've
got
our
under
state
purchase
prices.
So
no
matter
who
does
the
service
work
for
us?
The
equipment
cost
is
going
to
stay
the
same.
The
first
one
up
at
the
top
is
just
the
Verizon
DSL
and
Verizon
Center
is
what
we
have
today
to
give
you
where
we
are
we've
already
expended
all
the
capital
cost.
We
can
so
that's
there
and
it
costs
us
about
forty
five
hundred
dollars
per
month
with
the
carry
as
the
dsls
in
the
frame
relay
now.
D
What
of
course,
with
Verizon
went
out
of
that
business
they
brought
in
a
new
business
just
for
commercial
customers
which
they're
willing
to
switch
us
over,
and
you
can
see.
The
capacity
goes
up
quite
a
bit
and
it
is
a
t1
connection,
but
capital
costs
to
put
that
in
would
be
about
$60,000
the,
and
it
would
cost
us
eleven
thousand
five
hundred
dollars
a
month
to
be
into
that
system.
That
cost
would
go
on
forever
and
what
we
have
was
again
well
until
that's
pricing,
Rick.
G
D
H
D
D
Yes,
next
option
is
that
this
is
a
basic
option
would
be
to
put
and
build
our
own
radio
frequency
point-to-point
network
it
would
be
dedicated
just
in
the
city
would
be
a
secure
network.
It's
really
like
our
communication
system
that
we
have
for
public
service,
police
and
fire
right
now.
We
would
find
what
towers
that
we
currently
own
or
have
the
right
to
be
one,
and
we
would
do
a
radio
Wi-Fi
type
system
to
be
to
be
up
that
capital
cut.
It
also
increased
the
speed
quite
a
bit
than
that
on.
D
D
Now
that
could
is
negotiable
because
it
depends
upon.
Do
you
want
for
our
maintenance
return?
That's
the
Cadillac
that
they
would
offer,
or
do
you
want
24-hour
or
business
time
only
etc.
So
you
can
negotiate
with
that
one
and
then
the
carrier
cost,
because
there
still
are
items
that
would
be.
There
would
be
about
$3500.
D
Now,
when
you
run
all
the
cables
to
reconfigure
all
the
air
points
in
the
local
area
network,
in
that
same
cables
that
you
run
through,
you
could
then
run
at
the
telephone
cater
to
set
up
your
own
telephone
system.
What
we
would
do
there
in
the
major
differences
right
now,
everybody
has
their
own
telephone
line
their
desk,
and
you
have
to
call
that
number
it's
after.
We
after
then
purchase
voicemail
in
blocks
for
certain
areas
etc.
D
D
All
calls
would
come
into
the
router.
They
would
then
be
dispersed
to
whichever
phone
you've
told
the
router
that
day
you're
going
to
be
happy.
If
it's
for
you
for
that
number,
because
your
numbers
are
portable,
you
keep
the
same.
Total
numbers
that
we
had
under
the
Verizon
system
would
still
be
under
Verizon
because
we
would
have
their
estimating
right
now
somewhere
between
24
and
30
telephone
lines
coming
into
the
city
would
still
have
to
pay
for
so
you
would
have
a
savings
of
75
or
min
of
them
they're.
D
D
We
would
also
dedicate
some
of
those
other
they
wouldn't
come
in
and
be
reality
for
the
police.
Dispatching
we
would
say
all
we
need
two
or
three
that
are
always
hooked
up
to
only
the
police
department,
the
communications
center
and
then,
if
we
started
to
get
delays
because
we
get
a
report
out
of
the
system.
If
there
are
times
that
people
we
need
another
line,
in
other
words
coming
into
the
city,
we
could
always
add
to
or
just
downward
if
that
was
necessary,
that
has
a
capital
cost
of
four
hundred
and
twelve
thousand.
D
This
is
a
not
an
additional.
This
is
just
a
brand-new
total
and
it
would
have
maintenance
costs.
You
could
and
still
have
about
two
thousand
dollars,
because
you're
got
to
base
fifteen
hundred
and
grab
some
more
with
this
extra
equipment,
and
then
your
carrier
cost
would
be
thirty
five
hundred
dollars,
and
that
was
what
was
carrying
forward
from
the
last
one,
because
I
didn't
know
the
phone
system
in
there.
Yet
then
you
can
go
and.
H
F
D
D
Technology,
this
would
be
our
own,
we
would
purchase
it
with
this
increased
capital.
Clark
gets
the
collateral
cost
up
to
five
hundred
and
two
thousand
maintenance
goes
up
slightly
to
2500
and
actually
brings
down
a
little
bit.
The
carrier
cost
because
you're
not
paying
that
per
line
charge
for
long
distance
access.
So
you
got
a
little
bit
of
savings
there.
D
You
know
city
wide
and
then
you're
up
to
six
hundred
and
forty
seven
thousand
dollars.
Capital
cost
three
thousand
maintenance
and
twenty
five
hundred
for
your
carrier
is
really
not
increasing.
The
carrier
cost
at
all
air.
It's
maintenance
of
an
additional
repeater
site
and
you're
buying
laptops
for
cars
and
they're
changing,
but
each
one
of
these,
as
you
step
up
from
the
first
option
of
having
your
own
system
where
it
says,
control,
Y
City,
yes,
is
an
add-on.
The
first
one
I
think
is
important
because
it's
the
phone.
E
E
E
D
Is
to
pay
for
everything
it's
going
to
have
two
different
methodology
series
that
I
said
you're
going
to
eliminate
some
costs
from
what
you
are
now
are
the
cost
to
go
up,
but
especially
in
your
phone
system,
decreasing
cost
I
checked
the
remember.
Last
year
we
had
accumulated
a
couple
years
worth
the
inheritance
tax.
D
D
G
D
Have
to
put
out
there
now?
No,
that
is
a
good
point.
Paul,
because
I
have
asked
the
utility
department
if
car
to
get
was
our
current
carry
or
give
me
a
price
for
an
updated,
that's
system,
because
right
taking
about
ten
minutes
to
go
all
the
way
through
both
water
and
sewer
systems.
You
could
put
it
on
this
frame,
but
you
still
need
equipment
at
each
water
tower
in
each
pump
station,
etc.
That
way,
we
will
get
those
costs
for
that
here,
probably
the
next
month.
Okay,.
E
G
D
E
D
And
this
is
this
firms
best
estimate
based
upon
the
surveys,
they've
done
discussions
they've
had
with
Ron
and
I
and
Scott
and
captain
pile
I
think
was
involved
in
those
because
he
brought
up
what
about
the
police
cars
about
having
I
mean
this.
The
base
system
would
give
it
some
places
in
the
city,
because
there
is
still
there's
a
coverage
area
here.
We're
talking
about,
but
just
like
our
communication
system
wouldn't
give
it
everywhere.
Until
you
went
to
the
extra
steps
of
you
need
some
things
and
other
repeater
stations,
it.
B
D
To
forty,
three
or
four
twelve
would
give
some,
but
there
would
be
what
we
would
have
to
have
the
vendors
do
the
engineers
quite
honestly
just
come
in
and
do
a
study
of
saying.
Okay,
if
we
put
this
equipment
that
they've
got
in
the
capital
cost
at
these
locations,
what
will
be
your
coverage
here?
Yeah.
B
Cuz
I
thought
these
little
these
cute
little
stoplights
over
here
yeah,
you
know
he
had
some
I
did
sit
through
this
presentation
and
actually
it
was
very
interesting
and
very
complex,
but
I
think
I
think
that
the
group
explained
it
really
well.
It
was
my
understanding
that
it
was
only
the
last
two
options
that
would
allow
us
wireless
with
the
computers
in
the
cars.
H
B
H
Vm,
the
new
upgrade
through
the
network
will
clear
up
a
lot
of
issues
that
have
with
congestion
security.
It
will
make
a
difference.
Productivity
among
the
offices,
it'll
be
a
faster
connection
for
them.
They'll
be
able
to
push
data
in
and
out
faster,
as
they
start
to
use
more
web-based.
Applications
like
the
rec
center,
they
off
everything's
online
for
them
right
now
and
he's
done
as
either
hazard
is
real
close
to
doing
complete
management
over
the
Internet
that'll
clear.
Some
things
up,
yeah.
D
I
think
that's
one
of
those
one
of
the
options
projector
that
we
looked
at
was
rather
than
using
the
universities
would
go
with
Time
Warner.
They
want
5,000
a
month,
but
that
would
give
us
a
different
like
just
like
you
have
at
home
bandwidth,
wise
and
everything
else
to
be,
then,
that
our
conduit
to
the
wide
area
network
people
getting
into
us
on
the
weekend
worker
and
continued
or
net
and
a
couple
other
providers,
but
just
for
the
purposes
tonight
you
made
some
phone
calls
sac
community
yeah.
I
G
D
D
B
D
J
These
last
two-
maybe
these
last
three-
what
Ron
is
talking
about
what
the
mayor
is
talking
about.
Obviously
our
usage
of
the
system
is
growing
rapidly.
It's
grown
tremendously
in
the
last
few
years.
We
can
anticipate
that
it'll
get
more
and
more
complex.
Do
all
of
these
have
extra
capacity
for
for
our
growth
included
any
do
any
of
them.
H
With
the
radio,
trees
or
wireless
connections
with
the
buildings
that
sets
us
up
to
add
the
additional
services
on
top
of
those,
and
it's
like
the
backroom
that
we
have
to
build
that
and
then
we
can
add
a
phone
system
to
it.
We
can
add
the
ability
have
radios
or
laptops
and
police
cars,
but
the
back
bet
it's
the
most
important
part.
Certainly.
J
K
L
H
J
M
B
We,
unless
we
basically
suggest
that
we
add
that
into
this,
because
I
know
that
I
have
trouble
getting
on
the
website
and
it's
my
understanding
that
if
the
oh
you
server
is
busy
which
it
often
is,
then
that
interferes
with
our
access
to
our
website.
So
that's
why
I've
asked
them
to
look
into
that.
Yeah
hope
you
finish.
G
B
G
Kept
hearing
was
that
the
city
needs
a
bigger
web
presence,
but
in
terms
of
this
I
guess,
the
next
question
I
would
have
is
looking
at
the
appropriate
balance
of
Joe
January
31st
of
always
over
seven
there.
The
cap
improvement
says
certified
resources,
a
601
thousand.
What
is
it
cut?
What
would
be
the
cut
you
think
offhand
between
their
water
and
sewer
in
the
other
departments?
G
D
G
D
Code
does
charge
identities
closer
to
being
self-sufficient
than
anything
else
in
the
job,
but
and
it
will
just
be
water
and
sewer
that
would,
and
if
you're
down
to
the
basic
Roman
system
and
everything
else,
we
can
do
the
count
and
get
it
split
on
that.
I
think
that
that's
six
hundred
and
some
thousand
at
the
end
of
last
year,
that
is
totally
in
a
cap
without
any
transfer
of
an
inheritance
tax
collected
in
those
six.
That's
prior
to
that,
so
we
still
would
have
some
degree
of
flexibility
within
our
capital
system.
C
D
D
B
B
Do
we
want
to
ask
the
mayor
to
move
forward
with
one
of
these
and
write
ordinance
to
that
effect,
or
do
we
want
to
talk
more
about
what
some
of
these
options
are?
So
it's
my
understanding
that
the
second
to
the
last
option
allows
us
this
mobile
capability,
but
it
doesn't
actually
implement
it
at
this
time,
every
five
hundred
and
two
thousand
it
has
everything
in
place
to
allow
it,
but
it
doesn't.
We
can't
implement
it
because
we
don't
have
the
rest
of
the
equipment
and
the
last
one
is
full-blown
mobile
equipment
at
this
time.
B
H
H
L
H
M
O
B
D
H
H
A
B
I
mean
the
thing:
is
that
technically,
you
know
to
be
able
to
I
know
that
we
don't
seem
to
have
a
lot
but
I
know
I've.
Had
the
problem
and
Debbie
said
the
problem
that
if
we
could
just
look
into
this
because
yeah
and
I
just
want
to
add
one
more
thing:
I'm
sorry
again,
I'm
gonna
question
that
during
this
presentation
and
I,
don't
think
we
have
the
visual
now
also
what
this
would
solve.
It
is.
B
E
B
G
G
D
E
B
D
We
talked
we
discussed
this
with
the
law
director
and
users
were
using
state
purchase
price
on
all
the
equipment
and
items
he
said
we
would
not
need
to
because
it's
an
established
relationship
with
a
provider
of
services
once
you
bid
it
out.
If
you
want
I,
think
that
part
of
the
things
would
be
repeated,
we.
D
Cost
because
I
didn't
going
to
get
anything
much
because
it's
a
state
bid,
but
the
long-term
relationship
for
doing
maintenance
and
the
research
that
staff
did
on
this.
Because
we
tried
to
find
companies
that
can
do
both
internet
computers
and
telephone
systems.
And
there
aren't
very
many
of
them
and
we.
Q
D
Q
B
B
So
next
committee
meeting
then
two
weeks
from
now
we'll
have
that
okay
and
then
we
can
move
forward.
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
Ron,
okay
and.
B
Oh
well:
well,
actually,
this
is
this
is
for
I
could
announce
this.
B
Many
students,
as
we
all
know,
are
working
on
in
in
classes
at
oh,
you
at
alternative
plans
for
Halloween
and
one
class
presented
on
Thursday
and
got
very
nice
media
coverage,
and
we
thank
you
very
much
messenger
and
news
and
the
oh,
you
business
cluster
will
be
presenting
their
ideas:
Walter
Hall
Wednesday,
this
Wednesday
March
14th
at
5:30,
so
media
and
those
interested
parties,
Tourism,
Bureau,
etc.
City
Council
people
I
invite
you
to
attend.
N
B
M
G
S
S
M
At
our
last
committee
meeting,
there
were
a
list
of
items
that
we
needed
to
see
before
we
were
ready
to
move
ahead,
and
one
of
them
was
that
we
get
one
set
of
plans
instead
of
having
the
two
different
versions
of
the
plans.
So
we
did
receive
this.
It
was
FedEx
to
us.
It
looks
to
me
like
there
are
a
couple
pages
that
still
have
the
old
site
plan
layout
and
Ryan.
What
you
want
to
look
at
these
and
verify.
M
R
M
Through
I
was
just
kind
of
looking
to
make
sure
we
had
one
set
of
plans
and
that
that
was
clear.
What
it
is
that
we
are
considering
as
we
bring
this
forward.
We
also
wanted
to
have
the
review
by
the
disabilities
Commission
and
the
tree
Commission
and
get
a
copy
of
the
letter
from
Burgess
and
Knight
Bowl,
and
was
there
something
else
on
that
list
of
things
that
we
needed.
M
So
we
I
think
we
got
part
of
the
response
from
the
law
director
which
I
did
not
print
out
for
everyone.
He,
it
was
the
question
about
Title
27
and
what
he
indicated
to
me
in
an
email
is
that
it
is
just
in
the
purpose
language.
So
it's
it.
You
know
it
does
need
more
in
there
if
we're
gonna
be
able
to
fully
implement
it.
So
that
was
the
general
sense
of
the
law
director's
view
on
that.
The
layer,
development
ordinance.
M
The
land
development
ordinance
title
27
is
the
one
that
that
has
the
statements
about
not
substantially
changing
the
size
and
shape
of
the
topography
and
the
law
director
indicated
that
that's
a
really
only
in
the
purpose
statement
and
we
need
more.
We
need,
if
we're
gonna,
be
able
to
do
much
with
that.
We
need
to
redesign.
E
M
S
M
I
also
brought
up
the
an
alternative
plan.
Application
has
been
filed
for
this
site
and
I
requested
that
we
have
this
here
for
people
to
look
at.
If
you
wanted
to
I,
don't
know
if
people
had
a
chance
to
look
at
that,
I,
don't
I
think
it
would
be
really
awkward
to
try
to
do
that
right
now,
but
Mary
will
do
you
with
with
two
different
proposals
pending
for
the
same
piece
of
property.
Can
those
can
those
both
be
out
there
at
the
same
time?
Does
that
filing
affect
anything
that
we're
doing
here.
D
No,
it
doesn't
because
if
you
remember
there
was
a
previous
submission
by
mr.
dowdy
is
his
corporate
entity,
which
was
that
preliminary
approval
with
the
Planning
Commission
and
he
opted
to
just
table
that
one
to
produce
the
Edwards
one.
So
you
only
have
one
recommendation
from
the
Planning
Commission.
C
M
There
was
there
were
some
discussions,
the
individual
telephone
conversations
to
try
to
see
if
we
could
resolve
some
of
the
questions
about
the
parcels
that
were
kind
of
left
for
future
possibilities.
And
there
are
a
couple
suggestions
here
with
conditions
that
we
add
that
would
deal
with
those
concerns.
M
One
is
that
parcel
B,
which
has
the
b3
zoning,
would
just
be
removed
from
the
Planned
Unit
development,
and
if
the
developer
wanted
to
come
back
and
subdivide
that
later
and
and
go
through
an
approval
process
for
something
that
fits
that
b3
zone,
that
would
be
a
separate
process
that
we
would
be
taking
it
out
of
this
per
unit.
Development.
M
M
And
I
did
give
everyone
a
copy
of
the
letter
from
Burgess
and
Eiffel.
There
were
some
fairly
significant
issues
raised
in
there,
including
the
the
statement
that
the
storm
water
detention
plans
were
conceptual
and
they
needed
to
see
hydraulic
calculations
and
some
questions
about
some
of
the
proposed
cuts
and
whether
they
ought
to
occur
at
all
so
they're.
Not
just
you
know,
small
conserving.
B
R
G
M
And
there's
I
mean
there
other
beyond
the
service
safety
director
has
to
sign
off
on
the
storm
water
detention.
There's
there's
a
bunch
of
stuff.
That
is
a
normal
part
of
the
process
that
I
think
we're
not
spelling
those
out,
because
that
that
happens
anyway.
There's
there's
continuing
review
and
involvement.
M
E
M
J
In
your
suggesting
that
that
will
be
met,
and
we
just
we
need
to
indicate
to
you
out
our
feelings
are-
our
indications
is
to
vote,
which
occurs
at
third
reading.
I
sense:
a
reluctance
to
have
third
reading
until
we
have
more
compliance
with
particularly
those
last
three
conditions
that
so
I'm
not
sure
what
you're
asking
for
well.
S
I
need
to
be
honest
and
Ammar
like
to
know
the
PD
I'm
sorry.
We
would
really
like
to
build
a
PUD
we'd
like
to
start
quickly
because,
as
I
mentioned,
her
schedule
is
kind
of
has
his
back,
though,
is
it's
taking
us
along
over
to
the
process?
So
we've
submitted
the
r3
just
because
schedule.
We
have
a
partner
that
dictates
his
schedules
of
construction
and
we're
bound
to
it.
So
I'm.
S
J
R
R
S
R
E
R
M
I
communicated
by
email
with
mr.
Kirk
and
said
that
I
believed
that
the
letter
from
verges
and
Ifill
our
consulting
engineers
raised
some
very
serious
questions
and
that
I
saw
two
possible
ways
to
proceed
and
that
there
may
be
others.
One
is
that
they
could
respond
to
those
items
and
address
the
concerns
that
believe
members
of
council
house
or
we
could
go
ahead
and
bring
it
up
for
a
vote.
And
his
response
was
that
he
would
prefer
that
we
go
ahead
and
for
a
vote
and
they
would
make
the
services
to
address
these
issues
later.
M
M
R
P
P
First
of
all,
at
the
meeting
of
the
Planning
Commission,
where
this
was
approved,
the
Executive
Committee
of
the
Southside
community
associations
suggested
several
other
conditions
that
we
felt
should
have
been
sent
forward
to
you.
They
weren't
addressed
at
all
and
I'm
wondering
whether
those
shouldn't
also
be
one
of
them
was
in
fact
we
didn't
even
say
all
of
them.
We
had.
We
had
several
that
we
didn't
even
bring
up,
but
some
of
the
things
that
we
were
talking
about
were
bonding.
P
Let's
see
emergency
services
how's
the
city
going
to
pay
for
the
additional
services
required
to
the
Southside.
If
we
have
900
more
now,
800
more
residents,
the
the
fire
station
is
only
open
part
time
now.
It
certainly
can't
stay
open
part
time
with
800
so
anyway,
I
just
don't
think
this
is
ready
at
this
point
for
consideration
until
some
of
these
other
issues.
T
T
So
that's
planning
to
be
removed
with
this
I
have
all
the
similar
concerns
that
Muriel
has
presented,
but
also
I.
Think
that
we've
run
into
these
problems
where
the
Planning
Commission
does
pass
approve
these
developments
without
everything
in
place,
I
mean
how
can
you
plan
to
build
this
huge
building
on
this
hilltop
without
having
done
hydrology
studies
in
an
area
where
we
have
stormwater
runoff
I
heard
too
that
the
retention
pond
will
be
considered
an
open
or
a
green
space?
I
mean
that's,
not
an
open
space
or
a
green
space.
U
My
name's
Ben
Appleby
174,
second
Street
I,
came
tonight's
meeting
for
something
else
entirely,
but
I
feel
like
I
needed
to
say
something
because
it's
a
pretty
big
project
and
has
a
lot
of
impact.
You
know
happening
or
not
happening.
Nathan's
is
a
pretty
old
city
and
we've
got
a
lot
of
older
houses.
Very
energy,
inefficient.
I
think
this
is
a
good
opportunity.
U
E
U
A
great
start
and
Chris
I'm
sure
you're
familiar
with
those
being
an
architect.
So
if
you
could
talk
to
us
and
a
council
about
what
sort
of
green
features
are
gonna
be
there
and
if
you're
gonna
have
any
sort
of
you
know
national
standards
or-
and
you
would
actually
gauge
that
green
list
besides
words
but
we'd
love
to
hear
about
that.
F
F
Guess
in
my
mind,
I'm
wondering
just
how
well
just
what
criteria
do
we
use
here
in
Athens
to
decide
if
a
project
like
this
is
in
the
best
interest
of
the
town
or
not
as
I
as
I
travel
around
Athens
I
noticed
a
lot
of
signs
for
rent
a
lot
of
people
who
had
rental
properties
are
selling
the
rental
properties
because
they
don't
there
doesn't
seem
to
be.
There
don't
seem
to
be
enough
people.
F
There
seem
to
be
more
units
out
there
available
for
people
to
rent
them,
people
to
rent
them
and
so
we're
facing
what
I
perceive
to
be
a
blood
in
the
community
of
excess
housing
for
people.
We
have
these
units
that
people
can't
seem
to
rent
and
yet
we're
gonna
invite
these
people
to
build
this
large,
very
large
project
in
a
very
questionable
matter
where
we,
you
know,
we're
not
even
sure
how
it's
gonna
impact
impact.
F
The
environment,
as
some
of
my
colleagues,
my
friends
and
the
south
side,
have
pointed
out
yet
on
a
more
fundamental
level.
How
do
we
even
decide?
How
can
we
even
achieve
a
criteria?
Where
is
this?
The
right
for
Athens
in
itself
does
Athens
need
another,
seven
hundred
and
eighty
three
units
or
seven
hundred
eighty
three
beds.
When
we
can't
even
fill
up
the
beds
we
have
now
around
town,
so
I'm
afraid
we're
gonna
be
left
with
the
situation
where
there's
gonna
be
a
lot
of
people.
A
lot
of
units
uninhabited
on
rented
and
I.
V
Do
you
rap
president
Southside
neighborhood
association?
The
only
thing
I
really
wanted
to
say
is
I'm
rather
disturbed
about
the
Gary's
interpretation
of
the
the
hillside.
Ordinance
and
part
of
the
reason
is
I'm
the
person
that
read
the
two
comprehensive
plans
to
compare
the
environmental
section.
There's
four
parts
to
the
environmental
section.
V
The
the
plan
that
you
passed
is
very
passionate
about
trying
to
keep
our
vistas
and
hillsides,
especially
the
hillside
part,
the
only
at
the
bottom
of
each
of
those
four
segments,
the
hillsides
that
section
the
riparian
zones,
the
telecommunications
towers
and
the
vistas
and
view
sheds
I
believe
they
each
one
says,
need
an
ordinance
in
the
only
ordinance
that
has
gotten
written
was
the
hillside
ordinance
and
when
you
all
pass
that
and
when
it
was
written,
I
think
we
thought
it
would
serve
our
needs.
So
I
find
that
very
disturbing.
M
M
S
M
I
Might
add
that
the
county
land-use
plan
is
going
through
the
exact
same
discussion
at
this
point
and
emphasizing
exactly
the
same
thing:
the
hillsides,
the
vistas
and
the
need
to
protect
those
things
countywide,
so
I
don't
think
in
any
way
that
it
was
an
accident
that
those
things
were
in
our
comprehensive
plan.
It's
definitely
the
feeling
of
the
people
who
live
in
this
area.
I
G
Sat
through
some
of
these
discussions
about
topography,
we
maintained,
slow
and
hillsides
and
it
got
pretty
details.
I
mean
we
drew
little
pictures
of
how
hillsides
should
look.
We
talked
about
5%
of
the
hillside,
changing
so
much
percentage
of
this
slope,
the
actual
what
it
is
called
the
integration
of
the
slope
in
terms
of
where
it
curves
one
way
or
the
other,
we
really
decided
we
would
try
and
be
too
constraining.
We
thought
that
the
if
you
made
it
way
too
tight
we'd
have
to
go.
There's
all
these
exceptions
in
variations
all
time.
G
We
assume
that
the
intent
would
be
obvious
and
the
vision
would
be
obvious
that
we'd
be
trying
to
retain,
maintain
how
Hill
size
and
our
view
escapes
and
not
just
take
off
the
top
of
a
hill
and-
and
that's
really
from
my
point
of
view-
why
we
we
gave
it
a
little
bit
of
blunt
or
edge,
because
we
thought
that
it
we
we
didn't
want
to
thing
where
it
ended
up
at
the
Zoning
Board
of
Appeals.
Every
time
somebody
wanted
to
you
know,
put
a
driveway
in
or
do
something
you
know
you
know.
G
M
Gonna
have
to
figure
out
how
to
get
those
little
sketches
into
the
code
when
we
incorporate
them.
So
we
will
have
to
come
back
to
that.
I
I
think,
and
we
do
have
the
notes
that
that
that
committee
produced
and
I
think
when
we
were
had
that
in
front
of
us
people
felt
it
was
too
detailed
for
the
code
and
I
think
we're
seeing
that
we
do
need
to
dig
into
that
deeper.
M
Even
with
all
of
these
questions
remaining,
we
are
being
asked
to
bring
this
forward
so
that
we
can
vote
one
way
or
the
other
and
they
can
know
how
things
are
going
to
go
here
and
I
if
they're,
if
the
developer
isn't
willing
to
do
the
hydraulic
calculations
and
the
expensive
engineering
work
that
Burgess
and
Eiffel
says
is
required
before
we
vote
I,
don't
think
we're
going
to
have
the
information
you
know.
If
we
just
decide
to
wait
for
that,
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
we're
gonna
get
it.
J
However,
I
as
just
a
council
member
yeah,
we
can
have
discussions
and
express
our
concerns
and
our
views,
but
councils
support
or
councils
opinion
on
a
matter
is
delivered
with
the
vote,
and
the
only
way
we
can
do
that
is
to
put
up
an
ordinance.
Have
three
readings
have
discussions
that
each
reduce
gather,
more
information
from
the
developer
and.
M
We
there
been
some
drafts
that
floated
around
at
some
Chamber
meetings.
We
haven't
really
gotten
anything
back.
I
would
like
to
pass
a
resolution
at
our
next
meeting,
requesting
that
no
final
plan
applications
be
forwarded
to
the
Planning
Commission
until
they're,
complete
that
we
develop
a
checklist
of
the
things
that
are
required
in
our
code
and
that
plans
not
be
submitted
for
final
approval
until
all
of
the
required
documents
are
there
at.
Q
M
I
mean
but
the
the
application
is
made,
and
then
it's
given
to
the
Planning
Commission,
and
then
they
make
a
recommendation
to
us.
It
seems
to
me
that
the
point
where
it's
the
application
is
made
there
should
be
a
checklist
that
says
yes,
this
is
complete
with
all
of
the
things
that
are
required
and
somebody
looks
to
see
if
each
one
is
there.
The
disabilities
Commission
and
the
trade
commission
are
supposed
to
be
part
of
the
final
application,
they're,
not
something
that
happens
sometime
later.
If
people
get
around
to
doing
it
in.
G
M
M
M
Q
R
From
the
developer's
standpoint
or
anybody
coming
forward
with
plans,
if
you
have
a
PUD
and
you
had
a
a
step
earlier
in
the
process
where
council
actually
reviewed
the
bulk
of
the
matter-
and
maybe
I
don't
know
if
you
need
to
take
action
or
not,
but
at
least
weigh
in
so
that,
if
any
plan
changes
need
to
happen,
they
would
have
an
earlier
in
the
process
before
it
started
going
down.
Let's
say
a
wrong
path:
that'd
be
my
only
suggestion.
Just.
Q
I
haven't
said
anything
for
the
reasons
that
you
know,
but
I
I,
think
I,
don't
know
where
you
got
that
idea,
but
beyond
that,
what
I
don't
understand
is
why
we
don't
have
a
set
of
plans
that
are
complete
on
our
desk
when
we
start
hearing
about
it.
The
first
time
I
mean
it's
pretty
unprecedented.
Well
I
mean
it's
been
of
late
more
frequent,
but
in
the
past
we
always
had
sets
of
plans.
We
even
had
to
find
a
place
to
store
them.
Q
Now
we
don't
see
it,
I
mean
it's
and
they're,
not
professional,
and
you
know
it's
frustrating
for
me
personally
to
in
this
case
it's
especially
frustrating,
but
that's
a
whole
nother
story.
It's
a
it's
frustrating
for
me
personally.
To
look
at
plans
that
aren't
that
don't
have
all
the
parts
the
last
the
university
courtyard
was
not
bad.
It
didn't
end
up
great,
but
they
put
other
ones
where
it's
just
been
a
shambles,
and
you
know
anybody
with
a
sense
of
pride.
R
Q
E
R
Q
T
J
G
Essentially,
those
two
that
just
passed
that
through
one
is
I,
got
an
email
I,
think
some
of
you
did
at
least
as
well
from
Melissa
tonight
concerned
how
paint
program
we
have
a
house
painting
program.
That's
been
going
on
for
a
couple
years.
We
need
to
fund
it.
I
think
the
discussion
we
had
last
week
was
possibly
in
periphery.
Was
the
idea
of
actually
bring
about
15,000
into
that?
G
G
B
B
G
G
Okay,
what
we've
got
essentially
two
different
things:
I
put
bump
to
bunch
both
up
together,
essentially
there's
a
paint
program
and
the
estimates
for
the
West
State
Street
Cemetery,
which.
E
G
D
B
D
F
D
G
C
G
D
D
G
G
Okay,
so
that
that
can
actually
completely
put
out
the
other
one.
Is
the
West
8th,
Street
Cemetery?
That's
all
the
next
part
of
it.
If
you
remember,
we
had
a
discussion
about
putting
some
new
plaques
up
for
those
who
weren't
included
in
the
in
a
war
as
I,
guess
veterans,
the
other
one
would
be
replaced.
The
existing
piers,
the
gates,
I,
don't
know
about
the
replacement
walls
assume
that
first
and
west
is
the
East
alleyway
on
the
east
side
of
yeah.
Yes,
as
you're.
P
G
D
D
The
alleyway
okay,
that
would
tighten
that
up
and
I
think
that
what
doing
George
mean
he
looked
at
what
was
the
overall
things
that
kind
of
need
to
be
done
from
a
a
capital
standpoint,
the
the
five
hundred
you
know,
monument
headstone,
because
that's
something
that
it's
going
to
happen
every
year
for
a
long
time
but
chain-link
fence
the
plaques,
the
alley
wall
and
the
four
piers
you
no
entry
here.
Those
are
all
capital
items
that
are
you
know
you
do
it
one
time,
and
hopefully
it's
gonna
last
for
a
long
long
time.
D
D
They're
independent,
so
you
could
do
it
all
if
you
wanted
the
only
things
that
are
related
together
or
the
plaques
and
the
appearance
and
the
up
here,
because
that's
where
we
melt
supplies?
Yes,
so
they're
tied
together,
but
other
than
that
each
could
be
done
independently.
If
you
want
to
spread
it
over
a
number
of
years
or
if
you
do
it
all,
with
the
unencumbered
balance
appropriate.
D
D
E
G
I
D
E
G
Kind
of
somewhere
along
the
line
we
received
a
check
for
about
300
from
some
veterans
organization
from
the
Westside
okay
be
had
Cindy
Johnson
out
there,
who
was
trying
to
get
these
plaques
up
and
running.
Actually
we
had
this
check
show
up
at
our
mailbox
at
one
point,
so
we
know
that's
at
least
300.
That's
gonna
go
to
the
city
at
this
point,
because
that's
what
it's
dedicated
for
right.
I
I
B
G
G
G
C
G
J
G
B
T
And
if
you
look
in
your
packet,
it's
the
first
sheet,
the
streets
that
I
inventoried
were
West
state
to
Congress
towards
west
north
and
south
Congress
North
and
South
High
Street,
no
Street,
kurz,
Palmer,
Eliot,
Stewart
and
Hawking,
and
these
streets
were
chosen
because
they're,
primarily
student
neighborhoods,
and
they
have
very
few
permanent
residents
and
I
used.
A
I
did
its
data
collection.
I
had
used
the
data
sheet
and
I
looked
at
such
things
as
whether
they
were
utilizing
trash
can
with
tops
without
tops.
T
The
number
of
bags
trash
can
overflow
recycling
if
they
were
sorting
properly.
If
there
was
recycling
contamination,
which
means
whether
the
bin
had
products
in
there
that
were
not
recyclable
or
whether
they
had
a
food
product
that
made
them
unrecyclable
whether
there
was
recycling
and
trash
cans
and
whether
there
was
litter
in
the
area
and
what
I
found
doing
this
I
spent,
probably
two
months
walking
on
these
streets.
E
T
Monday
mornings,
when
this
always
picked
up
occurred
and
I,
found
that
most
student
rentals
did
not
provide
adequate,
solid
waste
receptacles
with
lids.
Therefore
they
were
not
in
compliance
with
the
solid
waste
ordinance,
because
receptacles
lacked
lids
on
containers.
There
was
littering
streets
sidewalks
and
on
properties.
This
also
created
a
problem
of
overflow
items
protruded
from
the
receptacles,
as
well
as
out
of
the
receptacles.
Many
students
did
recycle
using
bands,
but
others
whose
bags
boxes
and
other
types
of
receptacles
the
reciting
recycling
problems
were
improper,
sorting,
content
and
contamination
and
the
recycled
items.
T
Sorting
knowledge
appeared
to
be
limited
with
contamination
and
use
of
green
bottles.
Many
items
that
could
have
been
recycled
were
thrown
out.
The
trash
contained
items
such
as
electronics
and
furniture,
solid
waste
problem
areas
could
be
seen
in
clusters,
while
compliance
with
the
solid
waste
ordinance
was
also
found
in
clusters
and
what's
important,
is
the
literature
really
supports
that
you
create
a
social
norm
with
regard
to
certain
problems
in
society,
and
this
certainly
rise
to
solid
waste?
T
So
if
you
have
a
social
norm
to
recycle
or
to
not
recycle
or
a
social
norm
to
litter,
and
that's
something-
that's
it's
sort
of
stretches
itself
out
into
the
neighborhood.
Litter
became
a
large
problem
in
some
areas,
so
large
that
it
could
be
considered
a
public
health
hazard.
Such
areas
were
Mill
South
and
North
High
and
parts
of
West
State
Street,
some
streets,
weren't,
better
compliance
and
others.
This
included
West
stage,
elliotandcarla
dumpsters
in
specific
areas,
were
overflowing
lacking,
lates
and
creating
a
public
health
hazard
plastic
bags
were
often
piled
with
recyclables
visible.
T
There
was
concern
that
there
were
improper
charges
for
these
bags
and
sometimes
I
would
be
on
the
street,
and
I
would
notice
that
they
were
not
getting
charged,
that
the
person
he
was
driving.
We
just
go
ahead
and
go
forward
without
writing
it
down
I
think
a
problem
that
there
is.
This
is
the
tag
that
people
can
buy
at
City
Hall
for
dollars.
15,
therefore
they're
not
charged
for
those
bags.
T
T
So
one
of
my
suggestions
from
this
is
that
we
have
a
block
leader
program
and
I
talked
about
that
last
year,
where
we
utilize
volunteers
from
the
community
and
they
act
as
a
resource
and
an
educator
for
other
community
members,
also
that
we
offer
recycling
and
composting
education
as
well.
Solid
waste
information
that
there'd
be
a
recycling
committee
with
students,
perhaps
awards
for
the
cleanest
streets.
Recycling
houses
of
the
month,
10
an
agreement
to
pick
up
trash,
twice:
weekly
education
by
landlords
and
enforcement
of
the
solid
waste
ordinance
and
incentives
to
landlords
who
do
cooperate.
T
T
T
T
They
adopted
an
education
pledge
bin
distribution
plan
where
we
drew
up
a
plan,
and
students
went
out
to
the
streets
that
they
were
responsible
for
and
asked
the
students
that
they
were
working
with,
whether
they
would
take
a
pledge
to
recycle
and
they
signed
pledges.
They
also
took
orders
to
distribute
bins
to
those
specific
students
who
wanted
it.
Those
bins
did
not
go
out
in
the
Fall
Quarter
for
various
reasons
they
did
get
distributed
early
in
winter
quarter.
T
T
E
T
T
During
this
time,
I
had
three
newspaper
articles
we
did
maybe
out
read
reach.
One
is
about
compost,
I'll
talk
about
that,
but
we
did
two
articles
to
talk
about
recycling.
I
also
did
three
radio
shows
with
Studio
B
one
was
with
the
committee
Roger
Bale.
T
Concerns
about
litter
is
shoes.
I
attended
an
uptown,
Business
Association
meeting,
attended
monthly
Athens,
solid
waste
management,
district
meetings
and
interface
with
landlords
and
code
enforcement.
I
also
did
outreach
to
different
businesses
to
talk
about
their
recycling
problems
and
what
would
work
best
for
them
and
also
just
encouraged
them
to
recycle,
distributed
bins
also
made
up
a
green
laminate
that
indicated
that
they
were
an
Athens
recycling
business.
T
E
T
Most
businesses
want
to
recycle
I
think
there
are
problems
and
area
because
there's
not
the
road
to
recycle,
have
having
their
own
recycling
areas
some
different
businesses,
for
instance
red
brick,
would
like
to
have
their
own
bin
area
outside
their
back
door.
But
you
may
or
may
not
know,
there's
one
area,
recycling.
G
G
T
I
also
did
a
survey
of
the
apartments
in
town
who
did
recycling,
and
there
are
three
I'd
have
the
wrong
names
on
your
sheet,
but
it's
Mill,
Street,
University,
courtyard
and
Putnam
square.
The
remainder
of
the
apartment
complexes
did
not
like
that.
I
also
did
a
compost
project
in
East
elementary
and
East.
Elementary
was
chosen
because
their
principal
is
very
supportive
of
gardening
and
composting
and
interested
in
the
solid
waste
issue,
and
they
also
had
large
recycling
bins
available
that
they
had
bought
with
a
previous
grant
a
few
years
ago.
T
So
I
for
two
months
I
did
composting
with
the
school
I
edited
ten
class
and
then
daily.
We
would
for
an
hour.
We
would
compost
waste
from
the
cafeteria
and
we
had
a
little
procedure
and
the
children
learned
about
the
whole
trash
cycle,
problems
with
solid
waste
and
recycling.
How
they
can
do
that
and
then
they
also
got
to
do
some
hands-on,
that
they
really
enjoyed
we
and
then
we
would
gather
the
compost.
We
would
weigh
it
out
by
the
bin
and
we
would
the
case
would
write
it
in
a
little
notebook.
T
T
E
T
They're
really
wondering
what's
gonna
happen
in
that
with
that
program
he
is
taking
that
program.
The
truly
model
program-
it's
one
of
the
few
in
the
country
he's
going
to
be
doing
a
presentation
and
conference,
but
he's
taking
a
University
of
Connecticut
we've
done
in
Inked.
We've
had
an
increase
of
recycling
availability
and
education.
T
We've
had
an
increase
of
outreach
to
businesses,
we've
had
city
and
public
school
collaboration
on
compost,
education
and
implementation
in
elementary
school
and
increased
media
coverage
on
solid
waste,
and
they
say
the
data
collection
on
solid
waste
methods
and
current
problems,
waste
problems.
In
Athens
we
had
the
compost
program
in
East
Elementary.
T
It
was
provided
to
students
and
faculty
and
in
outreach
through
different
festivals.
We
also
did
a
university
off-campus
orientation
and
outreach
to
various
community
organizations,
the
training
of
community
assistants
in
the
campus
apartment,
the
office
of
off-campus
living
regarding
solid
waste
and
recycling
and
collaboration
with
Ohio
University.
T
My
recommendations
are
that
there
is
of
community
involvement
through
a
recycling
board
and
up
town
recycling
task
force.
I
really
found
that
we
have
this.
You
do
not
have
a
cycle
of
recycling
in
the
town
and
it
really
affects
I
think
the
continuity
for
citizens,
and
that
is
there
really
is
not
much
recycling
in
the
our
town
area.
We
do
not
have
any
bins
or
containers
a
few
businesses
are
doing
it,
but
it's
really
because
it's
very
important
to
them.
Personally,
it's
not
really
been
supported
by
city
policy,
the
education.
T
We
need
education,
recycling,
education
that
meets
the
transient
population
and
the
diversity
of
our
community.
We
have
a
community
that
constantly
changes
with
professors,
faculty
members,
staff
and
students,
so
we
can't
assume
that
these
folks
know
how
to
recycle
and
what
those
are
our
sorting
rules
and
again
we
do
have
the
best
recycling
are
not
the
best,
but
the
longest
percent
recycling
program
in
the
state
of
Ohio,
so
I
think
that
that's
very
important
we
could
increase
our
access
to
recycling
in
the
community,
such
as
containers.
T
T
Solid
waste
ordinance
could
be
enforced
within
the
community,
including
recycling.
Last
year
a
big
talk
was
the
enforcement
of
the
landlord
tenant
agreement.
That
seems
to
have
just
gone
away
from
now
and
I
think
we
still
have
those
many
problems
and
they
could
be
addressed
with
the
use
of
that
agreement
and
then
coordinate
with
Ohio,
University
and
recycling
and
sustainability.
They
did
hire
a
natural
resource
conservation
coordinator,
they're,
putting
lots
of
energy
into
sustainability
issues
and
I
think
that's
something
we
could
certainly
piggyback
on
this.
L
I
Just
have
a
comment,
and
that
is
the
concern
over
leaving
and
the
the
status
of
that
for
a
program
and
I
know
that
the
Community
Relations
Committee
is
very
concerned
about
that
in
terms
of
the
budget.
That's
coming
up
very
soon
budget.
Do
you
budget,
yes
and
concerned
that
the
funding
will
be
cut
on
a
drastic
level,
so
I
suggest
that
perhaps
you
get
in
contact
with
Ray
has
led
or
deal
tamp
you
concerning
that
and
possibly
attend
the
meeting
when
they're
talking
about
encouraging.
J
M
J
M
M
Of
the
issues
that
we
struggle
with
in
this
community
I
think
it's
been
very
helpful.
It
has
certainly
exceeded
expectations,
and
it
was
it
that
that
committee
came
to
that
task.
Force
came
together
after
there
was
a
really
bad
incidents
that
we
had
a
few
years
ago
and
how
I
mean
where
we
were
dealing
with
I
think
a
crisis
in
my
relations
and.
I
I'm,
just
thinking
that
perhaps
we
could
put
in
the
where
is
that,
where
is
Jim
hints,
began
his
his
relationship
with
the
city
and
the
university
relationship
as
a
student
coming
to
council
meetings
and
as
the
representative
of
Student
Senate,
and
you
know
what
a
great
model
for
exactly
what
it
is.
We
need
to
continue
that
relationship.
I
G
M
G
And
there's
a
couple
of
things:
I
wanted
to
bring
up
one
one
point:
we
discussed
try
and
get
some
covered
recycling
bins,
but
they
got
very
pricey
real,
quick.
That
was
one
of
discussions
we
had
with
Ray
earlier.
You
know
in
our
meetings
and
I
had
the
consultant
meetings
and
I
know:
we've
got
for
those
out
there,
but
we
still
have
more
if
somebody
needs
some
to
do
that
and
why
they
are
actually
discussions.
I've
heard
as
if
one
requires
more
than
one,
they
welcome
to
get
some,
even
though
I
wasn't
for
it
myself.
G
I
was
outvoted
on
that.
But
that's
the
idea
is
to
if
there's
a
need
for
recycling
bins,
they're
available
the
other
thing
I'd
to
dovetail
with
us
in
terms
of
litter
control,
if
you're
I,
don't
have
the
paperwork
with
me
now?
But
if
you
remember
some
time
a
few
months
ago,
is
the
idea
of
putting
the
responsibility
of
litters
eighteen
inches
off
the
curb.
This
was
before
water
crossed
by
Steve
Pearson.
B
G
G
M
Q
B
Q
T
Is
a
educational
piece
and
I've
heard
I
just
heard
from
Kevin
Smith
today
that
unless,
if
you
just
drop
off
the
bins,
it's
not
enough,
he
was
really
finding
with
the
community
assistance
that
they
needed
that
follow
up
and
that
and
that
piece
of
Education
and
it's
been
shown
over
and
over.
It's
just
a
really
important
piece.
Education
and
outreach
constantly.
T
J
B
If
and
I
know,
obviously
you
know,
maybe
if
we
had
a
litter
officer,
maybe
there
could
be
a
hotline
or
something
you
know,
I
mean
because
I
think
nowadays,
people
want
in
every
time
you
don't
pay
attention
to
something
until
you
need
the
information
that
might
be
six
o'clock
in
the
morning
or
something
or
11
o'clock
is
the
Treasury
o'clock
in
the
morning
and
and
so
that
I
think
access
to
more
information
is
something
that
could
be
useful
and
accurate
information.
I
have
to
say
once
I
called
and
I
said.
B
Is
it
trash
day
today
and
they
assured
me
it
was,
and
it
wasn't
because
it
had
been
shifted
because
of
the
holidays
and
and
so
I
I
think,
even
though
they
assured
me
that
that
was
not
the
case.
So
I
just
think
that
you
know
the
city
city.
Employees
should
make
sure
they're
up
to
date
on
things,
and
maybe
we
want
to
have
some
kind
of
hotlines
like
the
trash
hotline
or
recycle,
to
help
people
when
they
need
the
info.
Well,.
G
Yes,
well,
actually,
that's
it
I
I
notice,
there's
a
definite
lack
there
that
doesn't
coordinate
right
with
when
recycling
is
I
mean
basically
there's
supposed
to
be
the
same.
David
I,
don't
think
it
says
actually
in
there.
I
think
why
the
emphasis
that
we
need
to
point
out
is
that
recycling
fee
is
on
your
bill
already,
but
it
it's
on
your
bill,
regardless
of
how
much
or
little
you
recycle.
So
if
you,
if
you
pile
up
your
recycle
bin,
there's
less
garbage
to
take
out.
So
these
are
the
things
to
think
about.
G
G
G
B
G
E
G
J
E
B
E
G
B
G
Was
brought
up
the
idea
of
signing
on
and
committing
to
reducing
our
greenhouse
gas
emissions.
I
know
that
been
of
the
Sierra
Club
and
Lorraine
both
brought
this
discussed
it
with
the
mayor
as
disgusted,
discussed
it
with
the
city
staff
and
with
us
at
one
point
or
another,
so
I
these
partners
here
crafted
one
and
put
some
together.
Together
we
have
a
series
of
warehouses,
some
relevant,
some
global
in
nature.
Some
of
the
commitments
are
in
the
last
bottle,
whereas
in
the
first
page,
did
you
get
one.
G
G
E
G
Yes-
and
this
is
an
organization
that
actually
does
evaluations
of
and
benchmarking
for,
energy
and
in
G
greenhouse
gas
emissions
in
terms
of
energy,
and
the
idea
is
to
commit
to
a
certain
amount
of
reduction
in
it
over
time.
If
you
look
at
the
where
us
is,
I
tell
them
to
take
out
all
the
Kyoto
treaty
Treaty
stuff,
but
the
idea
there
has
to
is
to
reduce
it
over
time
and
most.
G
G
G
U
Is
the
information
self?
Okay?
Do
you
mean
everybody?
My
name
is
Ben
Appleby
I
live
on
2nd
Street
in
an
executive
member
of
that
black
eye,
Sierra
Club
this
this
resolution
kind
of
came
out
of
the
the
US
Conference
of
Mayors
resolution,
which
came
from
you
know
the
inability
of
the
federal
government
and
state
governments
to
really
do
anything
about
about
global
warming.
U
It
seems
like
such
a
huge
international
complex
issue,
but
when
we
talk
about
solutions,
what's
gonna
make
the
biggest
differences
right
here,
it's
our
personal
actions
and
decisions,
and
it's
the
way
that
we
run
our
commune.
Both
you
know,
as
the
city
government
running
his
own
operations
and
the
way
that
we
support
what
our
community
does
is
just
like
recycling.
U
You
know
things
that
the
rain
had
been
has
been
working
on
this
resolution.
There
kind
of
we
took
out
a
lot
of
the
extra
where,
as
is
to
try
to
make
it
more
specific
to
our
community,
but
the
the
things
that
it
does.
Is
you
know?
First,
it
says:
global
warming
is
real.
It's
a
problem.
You
know
time
to
quit.
Bickering
about
that.
U
That's
the
first
resolved.
The
second
is
having
us
to
join
the
ICLEI,
it's
the
International
Coalition
for
local
environmental
initiatives
and
they,
you
know,
they've
been
working
with
almost
300
other
cities,
municipalities
across
the
United
States,
so
they
provide
software
that
would
help
us
make
emissions
baselines
for
1990
as
well
as
set
our
goals.
Based
on
that,
the
software
also
helps
us
quantify.
You
know
these
energy
savings
things
that
we
can
say.
U
Alright,
we're
spending
X
amount
of
dollars
to
save
X
amount
of
dollars
over
the
next
five
years
of
10
years
about
how
does
that
look
when
it
comes
to
greenhouse
pollution
and
that
their
software
allows
us
to
say
alright?
This
is
gonna
help
us
meet
our
goal,
or
this
is
something
it
looks
good,
but
is
really
less
useful
than
than
other
things,
and
they
also
can,
you
know,
put
us
in
contact
with
other
cities
who
have
already
gone
through
this
we're
not
reinventing
the
wheel.
U
U
The
second
to
last
section
here
we
wanted
to
include
something
that
was.
That
was
real,
make
this
more
than
just
a
resolution.
That's
gonna
look
good
on
paper
and
not
really
have
any
effect,
and
one
thing
that
came
to
mind
was
finished,
creating
and
finishing
a
pedestrian
bicycle
transportation
plan
for
Athens.
That
is
in
our
comprehensive
plan,
but
pretty
much
unfinished.
And
if
you
look
in
the
comprehensive
plan
it
says
the
city
really
ought
to
put
together
a
plan
for
quite
some
old
pedestrian
traffic,
and
so
far
that's
done
not
been
done.
U
We've
certainly
done
a
lot
of
good
things
to
promote
that
I
think
we
need
to
continue,
but
to
have
a
plan.
Some
attention
in
place
would
be
a
great
way
to
reduce
traffic.
Downtown
save
gas
save
gas
money.
You
know
the
students
are
paying
make
their
community
safer,
so
I
think
a
win-win
situation
all
around
the
last
last
section
here.
U
G
Are
that
last,
where
is
is
that
there
are
programs
to
insulate
houses
below
come
and
but
mostly
I'm
geared
for
residents?
I
know
with
the
the
kids
program
strategy
was
look.
There
was
a
program
in
there
for
landlords
for
improvement
of
houses,
but
it
was
really
cumbersome
and
and
I
think,
the
last
time
I
just
put
put
out
there.
G
It
really
wasn't
taken
up,
so
it
wasn't
included
as
far
as
I
know
in
look
the
latest
cheese,
because
it's
just
not
something
that's
workable,
mostly
cuz
the
match
was
low
and
the
bookwork
was
excessive,
I
think
at
the
time.
On
the
other
hand,
there
are
other
programs
that
we
could
probably
latch
into
eventually
on
and
that's
why
the
easy
ones
because
of
our
housing
stock
is,
you
know
everything
could
be
approved
in
terms
of
windows
and
insulation.
Again.
E
G
G
Plans,
you
know
community
recreation
plan,
it
has
a
wish
list
of
things
where
we
can
pick
and
choose
to
get
that
goal
again.
Part
of
the
assumption
is
that
having
met
Ben
and
Lorene
having
met
with
is
the
staff,
the
city
and
the
mayor,
then
they
feel
it's
doable
and
that
City
Council
feels
it's
something
we
want
to
do
as
well,
president,
if
you
don't
have
everybody
buying
into
it,
it's
not
going
to
happen.
I've
seen
that
happen
before
right.
F
U
Would
definitely
support
that
I
think
you
know
these
new,
especially
these
large.
You
know,
plan
unit
developments
have
such
a
legacy,
so
they're
gonna
last
for
a
long
time
and
we're
now
at
the
point
where
we
can
make
those
decisions
before
they're
built
as
to
you
know
what
kind
of
electricity
rates
or
you
know,
bills.
The
students
are
gonna,
have
five
years
from
now
and
ten
years
from
now,
whereas
I
think
the
developers,
as
we
saw,
are
in
a
rush
to
get
this
bill,
maybe
not
as
concerned
with
other
other
things.
U
I,
don't
think
right
now.
The
Sierra
Club
is
in
support
of
any
more
regulations
on
the
landlords
or
our
rental
community.
It
seems
like
the
only
time
they
ever
get
together
is
when
there's
some
more
regulations
proposed
when
they
get
together
to
oppose
them,
and
you
know
we'd
like
to
try
work
in
a
thousand
first
to
see
if
this
in
you
know
any
any
workable
solutions
before
we
come
to
you
and
ask
for
more
regulations
or
laws.
T
So
what
we
did
talk
about
that
as
far
as
specific
responsibilities
or
the
task
force,
that's
been
looking
at
landlord
issues
and
if
you
as
a
student,
are
aware
that
you're
going
to
a
landlord
who
has
created
this
highly
efficient
apartment,
that's
going
to
cost
considerably
less
to
live
in
and
that's
more
responsible
landlord
in
other
capacities.
That
puts
a
pressure
on
the
market
for
others
to
follow
suit.
So
I
mean
it
could
be
just
a
very
open
market
way
of
encouraging
energy
efficiency.
E
E
B
U
The
Sierra
Club
is
definitely
ready
to
to
do
some
volunteer
work
when
it
comes
to
data
collection.
I
know
if
we
could
commit
100%,
you
know
to
say
without
knowing
you
know,
be
able
to
quantify
it
and
did
terms
of
ours,
but
we
know
that
it's
gonna
take
some
work
and
you
guys
are
busy
and
I
know
that
cities
generally
understaffed
and
overworked
right.
O
U
U
U
I
T
G
Really
part
of
thing
is
to
reduce
the
energy
cost
for
the
city,
but
the
idea
there
is
always
tied
into
the
coal
that's
being
burned
to
generate
electricity.
It's
part
of
discussion
about
the
landlord
suffers,
because
we
were
just
cussing
that
we
have
70.
Plus
percent
of
housing.
Stock
which
is
aged,
is
landlords
and
therefore
that's
the
easiest.
That's
the
biggest
wedge
to
look
at
in
terms
of
getting
housing
improvements
and
everything.
Debbie.
G
J
O
M
E
M
M
B
O
B
G
G
Say:
okay,
send
it
to
Debbie
I'll,
send
you
electronic
copy,
so
you
can
cut
and
paste
okay,
so
we'll
probably
try
putting
yourself
up
for
the
next
reading
Rick.
How
do
you
feel
is
this
something
that
you
think
we
should
sign
on
to
I
know
you're,
aware
of
it
and
I
know
your
staff
is
really
a
big
component.
One
of
the
components
of
this
right.
A
D
L
D
To
this
or
in
the
tasks
that
we
could
have
a
couple
of
departments
sign
up,
it's
just
like
because
we
keep
doing
it.
It's
like
we're
putting
it
in
now,
more
than
five
minute
walk
signs
well
over
there
taking
the
LEDs
out
of
that
put
in
the
middle,
you
put
them
in
another
in
the
universe.
So
it's
not
that
we're
not
doing
things.
D
We
are
it's
just
that
I'd
like
to
set
down
goals
so
that
the
department
head
signs
off
on
that
and
I'm
not
saying
that
that's
a
performance,
objective
role
necessarily,
but
it's
if
you
don't
have
the
commitment
from
the
department
head
to
do
it.
It's
just
going
to
sit
there
and
I,
don't
want
something
that
just
sits
there.
D
G
Yeah
again
we're
not
you
know
as
City
Council
members,
we
don't
do
the
concrete
stuff
in
that
sense
and
I
remember
a
couple
year.
We
had
this
discussion
last
night
about
when
doing
the
resolution
in
terms
of
save
energies
for
electric
pumps
and
stuff,
like
that
and
I
see
the
coal
at
least
10
years
ago.
You
changed
all
electrical
system
in
the
water,
well
fields
to
improve
efficiency
right
and
that's
not
an
awareness,
cuz
I
forget
to
vague.
You
know
actual
nuts
and
bolts
of
it,
but
I
know.
E
G
G
D
U
U
Have
you
know
new
ideas,
for
you
know
at
the
department
levels
in
you
make
some
tweaks
here
and
there
it's
the
what
you
know
daily
writing
in
the
city.
What
is
really
effective
and
what's
not,
they
can
say,
hey
you,
some
other
communities
about
your
size,
similar
demographics
and
here's.
What's
worked
for
them,
so
it
kind
of
saves
us
having
to
reinvent
the
wheel
in
some
ways
sure
okay.
G
G
G
J
P
M
M
I
can
get
some
more
detailed
information
about
how
we
do
that
if
people
are
interested
in
it,
but
I
think
we
have
to
move
fairly
quickly.
If
we're
interested
I
didn't
realize
that
this
deadline
was
pending
and
it
was
up
in
the
air
for
a
little
while,
because
the
legislature
actually
tried
to
immunize
paint
companies
from
this
kind
of
litigation
during
the
lame-duck
session
and
our
representative
voted
to
immunize
paint
companies
during
the
lame-duck
session,
but
Ted
Strickland
vetoed
that
piece
of
legislation,
so
the
class
action
is
going
forward.
M
Help
pay
to
remove
a
hazard,
it's
really
pretty
shocking
the
amount
of
exposure,
because
there
was
a
period
of
time
where
the
lead
paint
was
actually
chips
of
paint
and
kids
had
to
eat
them
to
get
the
the
contamination.
But
now
the
paint
is
deteriorating
so
much
that
it's
it's
dust
in
the
air
and
it's
far
easier
for
children
to
actually
get
the
lead
contamination
from
the
paint.
M
G
I
We
did
that
last
year,
which
just
leaves
three
dates
made
July
in
October,
which
would
be
the
first
Saturday
in
those
months
on
the
East
State
Street
for
the
street
closing.
So
one
of
the
ways
I
can
do.
This
is
to
put
all
of
that
in
an
ordinance.
Just
for
this
year
date
it
this
year,
so
I
come
back
once
a
year
with
what
they
are
doing.
So
we
do
the
street
closings.
That
way,
I
will
not
ask
for
the
street
closing
for
the
business
fair
or
the
the
holiday
evening.
I
I
The
other
possibility
and
I
had
talked
a
little
bit
with
the
mayor
is
we
could
leave
it
the
way
it
is
and
according
to
the
ordinance,
the
mayor
and
the
Service
Safety
Director
could
make
changes
as
they
see
fit,
which
was
sort
of
my
initial
question.
But
then,
when
I
started
looking
at
it,
it's
so
different
from
what
we
originally
started
in
O
3.
I
Keep
the
permanent
one
but
make
it
much
broader
so
that
we
can
adapt
to
all
of
these
I
can
do
that.
I
I've,
looked
over
the
ordinance
and
and
really
it's
pretty,
except
that
it
states
exact
times
and
the
street.
We
can
make
it
much
more
adaptable
and
do
it
that
way
and
have
a
permanent
ordinance
that
allows
for
this
market.
I
Ladies
any
thoughts,
okay,
I'll
just
choose
one
and
I'll,
see
you
next
Monday
and
I
have
no
miscellaneous,
so
say:
I
took
three
minutes
a.